What Follows is Obvious

[hoarder]

Have you ever noticed that most people, upon making a discovery, do not take the next step?

There is always a next step...a higher plane. Often it's blatantly obvious.

For example: When someone acquires a basic grasp of how the federal reserve works, they don't ask themselves what follows, i.e. how they had been deceived, what else this means and so on.
No, they simply stop right there. "How about that! The Fed is a scam! Now I'm awake." and that's it.

The process of mental digestion is like a dead end road for most people. They don't look farther ahead.

It seems TPTB understand this and put forth people like Max Kaiser who "awaken" the masses (not really, they only confirm what seekers already know) and won't discuss what follows. Instead they're about joining a group of the aware, instead of becoming more aware. "Hooray for us, we're smarter than everyone else because we know something they don't".

Although the terminality of individual thought processes might be natural, we have to ask if it's natural for people like Alex Jones or Max Kaiser to stop there. Unlike the individuals, Jones and Kaiser get tons of mail from everyone under the sun telling them what follows. It seems unnatural that they should be oblivious to what follows.

[chad]

i see that all of the time. "i just have to listen to alex jones everyday and i will know everything." :oo-->

you can hear it in the callers sometimes. they make no effort to figure anything out on their own, just waiting until tomorrow's episode of prison planet.

[hoarder]

they make no effort to figure anything out on their ownThat may be all there is to it with individuals who don't take the next step....a total absence of original thought.

[osoab]

they make no effort to figure anything out on their ownThat may be all there is to it with individuals who don't take the next step....a total absence of original thought.


It is a conditioned response. "Listen to what you are told." "Don't take responsibility, someone else will do it."

[Panoptimist]

It should be blatantly obvious who Abraham Jonestein and Maxim Kaiserberg really are and what they're doing.

[hoarder]

If I discover that someone or some entity has willfully deceived me, the very obvious next steps are to define their motives and re-evaluate everything else they have taught me.

For thinkers, the first step to becoming aware of the world around them is to look at the Fed. Getting people to do that is what we should all strive for.
It is the beginning point because so much follows from there.
Once the Fed is grasped, Rip Van Winkle can be prompted to explain how he could have been asleep so long...who put him to sleep and kept him there. Once he admits this it follows that he has to question everything else that his deceivers taught him. If he has any capacity for critical thinking he'll use reason to connect the dots rather than rely on "official" versions of human events.

[mrnhtbr2232]

People's comfort zones don't like going down the rabbit hole. Enlightenment is part acceptance, which many people refuse to do, feeling it violates their sense of command over knowledge and reason. Tell someone central banks run world governments and they might go "wow" but they won't explore why or what it means. I have a business associate I deal with who is a big AJ fan - his talking points are straight from the latest show. That appears to qualify for many people who otherwise think they know what's going on. Whenever I try to move beyond his base sense of awareness he circles back with another AJ "fact" and that's it. I've sent him links to GSUS and some other sites that are populated with great thinkers and I've yet to have him mention anything about content or ask questions. I suspect it is seen as an echo of his assumed understanding of the world through the eyes and mouth of his radio syringe.

[woodman]

It's akin to a child finding out that Santa is just a fictional character but still believing with all their heart that his elves are busy making toys at the north pole. People seem to have an infinite ability to keep themselves in a state of ignorance.

[hoarder]

People's comfort zones don't like going down the rabbit hole. Comfort zones can expand, ever so slowly. If you study and define your business associate's comfort zones you might be able to cater your messages to fit those comfort zones a little at a time. Sometimes you can discuss comfort zones with people, thus defining what they are comfortable with and why they think such comfort has any bearing on the truth. ;)

[tater]

The rabbit hole is so freaking deep and it seems to branch off into a gajillion different directions. It's time consuming and difficult for those of us who have to read something several times to get a firm grasp on it. Most folks don't take the time or/and are too lazy.

The main thing to me is that one must want to know the truth. If you are searching for the truth on a matter you will put aside your preconceived opinions, agendas and biases. Most people it seems don't want the truth; they simply want their opionions validated. The truth can be difficult for folks.

Also for the most part, people will not be thankful when given the truth. When the truth one has given is validated and becomes plain to see they are not thankful. They may actually despise you and even turn against you, after all their precious opinions have been proven
to be false.

I have stopped trying to reach the political worshipers. Right or left, they don't want the truth anyway. The truth has a certain ring to it. Like that bell in the movie Polar Express, some cannot hear it. Some ignore it.

Basically, I'm sick and tired of the lies, the frickers who do the lieing and the lazy, biased bastards who swallow the shit. For some odd reason, more the latter.

[Ponce]

Not only do I take a "next" step right away but I also make a plan behind the plan and if have to I then even make another plan to back up the second plan..........I always do it today so that I don't have to worry about it tomorrow.

First post of the day............good morning to one and all.

[hoarder]

The rabbit hole is so freaking deep and it seems to branch off into a gajillion different directions. It's time consuming and difficult for those of us who have to read something several times to get a firm grasp on it. Most folks don't take the time or/and are too lazy. True, but mass media is guilty of concealing so much from the masses, as well as providing distractions and disinformation. The monolithic mass media is quite singular and precludes having to spend years tracking leads in a gazillion directions.


The main thing to me is that one must want to know the truth. If you are searching for the truth on a matter you will put aside your preconceived opinions, agendas and biases. Most people it seems don't want the truth; they simply want their opionions validated. The truth can be difficult for folks.
As things get worse, they gradually become more willing to investigate areas they skipped over before.

Also for the most part, people will not be thankful when given the truth. When the truth one has given is validated and becomes plain to see they are not thankful. They may actually despise you and even turn against you, after all their precious opinions have been proven
to be false.“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)



I have stopped trying to reach the political worshipers. Right or left, they don't want the truth anyway. The truth has a certain ring to it. Like that bell in the movie Polar Express, some cannot hear it. Some ignore it.


The left against right people need to be approached in a way that favors their bias, then point out that "their side" is the bankers party just as the "other side" is.

[onceseen]

Every crowd is prone to smugly deride the stupid people (read: sheeple) while subtly congratulating themselves on their superiority. The Alex Jones crowd, the Zerohedgers, those that follow Glenn Beck, even here. Heck, I've even been guilty of it myself. Overconfidence is one of the contributing factors to 'getting stuck'. Another factor is a strong desire for an easy solution to the problem. There are a lot of these fake solutions floating around out there, and none of them will work-
Audit the fed!
Vote the bastards out!
Give the power back to the States!

I'll will go one step further and say that the few that aren't stuck, that do think to that next step, face their own challenges. The bad guys' operation is composed of labyrinths and levels. If you find yourself getting to that next 'level' of understanding, you are in the wrong place, because you are playing their game. Each level has been has been carefully planned for you and that gets more and more true the higher you go. Think you are smarter than the next guy and can make your way through the labyrinth? Go for it, but just know that it becomes a very dangerous game once you make your way over the rainbow.


dys

[hoarder]

Every crowd is prone to smugly deride the stupid people (read: sheeple) while subtly congratulating themselves on their superiority. But if you tell them how other people's thinking is vulnerable to "yay teamism", they will agree yet continue to engage in it themselves.

I'll will go one step further and say that the few that aren't stuck, that do think to that next step, face their own challenges. The bad guys' operation is composed of labyrinths and levels. If you find yourself getting to that next 'level' of understanding, you are in the wrong place, because you are playing their game.

The labyrinths have been placed as distractions, it seems there is one for every personality type and predisposition.
But if you use logic to connect the dots and prioritize, there is little chance of getting mired in labyrinths.

[Book]

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Waste of time in 2011. Teevee destroyed the minds of our fellow goyim.

[nunaem]

The vast majority of people desire to do as little digging as possible, if any. Thinking is the least popular past time. It takes a special enjoyment of reflection to dig deep into the rabbit hole. Most people who only end up in the surface of the rabbit hole likely fell there by accident.

[tater]

The rabbit hole is so freaking deep and it seems to branch off into a gajillion different directions. It's time consuming and difficult for those of us who have to read something several times to get a firm grasp on it. Most folks don't take the time or/and are too lazy. True, but mass media is guilty of concealing so much from the masses, as well as providing distractions and disinformation. The monolithic mass media is quite singular and precludes having to spend years tracking leads in a gazillion directions.


The main thing to me is that one must want to know the truth. If you are searching for the truth on a matter you will put aside your preconceived opinions, agendas and biases. Most people it seems don't want the truth; they simply want their opionions validated. The truth can be difficult for folks.
As things get worse, they gradually become more willing to investigate areas they skipped over before.

Also for the most part, people will not be thankful when given the truth. When the truth one has given is validated and becomes plain to see they are not thankful. They may actually despise you and even turn against you, after all their precious opinions have been proven
to be false.“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)



I have stopped trying to reach the political worshipers. Right or left, they don't want the truth anyway. The truth has a certain ring to it. Like that bell in the movie Polar Express, some cannot hear it. Some ignore it.


The left against right people need to be approached in a way that favors their bias, then point out that "their side" is the bankers party just as the "other side" is.


Dang hoarder, you sound like my wife with all that logic and reasoning stuff you did there. Also like her, you're right. I guess I was looking to have my opinions validated. What you say has that ring to it.

I can't help but to hear a ring of truth to Book's post also. Is it too late? :-\

[midnight rambler]

With some folks their glass is half full; with some other folks their glass is half empty. Then there's people like Book who just don't have a glass but if they did it'd be empty and upside down.

[woodman]

A note of appreciation from the rich

Let's be honest: you'll never win the lottery.

On the other hand, the chances are pretty good that you'll slave away at some miserable job the rest of your life. That's because you were in all likelihood born into the wrong social class. Let's face it -- you're a member of the working caste. Sorry!

As a result, you don't have the education, upbringing, connections, manners, appearance, and good taste to ever become one of us. In fact, you'd probably need a book the size of the yellow pages to list all the unfair advantages we have over you. That's why we're so relieved to know that you still continue to believe all those silly fairy tales about "justice" and "equal opportunity" in America.

Of course, in a hierarchical social system like ours, there's never been much room at the top to begin with. Besides, it's already occupied by us -- and we like it up here so much that we intend to keep it that way. But at least there's usually someone lower in the social hierarchy you can feel superior to and kick in the teeth once in a while. Even a lowly dishwasher can easily find some poor slob further down in the pecking order to sneer and spit at. So be thankful for migrant workers, prostitutes, and homeless street people.

Always remember that if everyone like you were economically secure and socially privileged like us, there would be no one left to fill all those boring, dangerous, low-paid jobs in our economy. And no one to fight our wars for us, or blindly follow orders in our totalitarian corporate institutions. And certainly no one to meekly go to their grave without having lived a full and creative life. So please, keep up the good work!

You also probably don't have the same greedy, compulsive drive to possess wealth, power, and prestige that we have. And even though you may sincerely want to change the way you live, you're also afraid of the very change you desire, thus keeping you and others like you in a nervous state of limbo. So you go through life mechanically playing your assigned social role, terrified what others would think should you ever dare to "break out of the mold."

Naturally, we try to play you off against each other whenever it suits our purposes: high-waged workers against low-waged, unionized against non-unionized, Black against White, male against female, American workers against Japanese against Mexican against.... We continually push your wages down by invoking "foreign competition," "the law of supply and demand," "national security," or "the bloated federal deficit." We throw you on the unemployed scrap heap if you step out of line or jeopardize our profits. And to give you an occasional break from the monotony of our daily economic blackmail, we allow you to participate in our stage-managed electoral shell games, better known to you ordinary folks as "elections." Happily, you haven't a clue as to what's really happening -- instead, you blame "Aliens," "Tree-hugging Environmentalists," "niggers," "Jews," Welfare Queens," and countless others for your troubled situation.

We're also very pleased that many of you still embrace the "work ethic," even though most jobs in our economy degrade the environment, undermine your physical and emotional health, and basically suck your one and only life right out of you. We obviously don't know much about work, but we're sure glad you do!

Of course, life could be different. Society could be intelligently organized to meet the real needs of the general population. You and others like you could collectively fight to free yourselves from our domination. But you don't know that. In fact, you can't even imagine that another way of life is possible. And that's probably the greatest, most significant achievement of our system -- robbing you of your imagination, your creativity, your ability to think and act for yourself.

So we'd truly like to thank you from the bottom of our heartless hearts. Your loyal sacrifice makes possible our corrupt luxury; your work makes our system work. Thanks so much for "knowing your place" -- without even knowing it!

Rich $cum of America
He who hath the gold makes all the rules.


Did you write this Hugginator? This is very good stuff. I think 'Rich $cum of America' doesn't fit entirely well. Perhaps 'Filthy Rich, International, Scheming, Parasitic, Reptilian Overlords would better describe mankinds enemy better. The Reptilian part merely denotes a lack of mammalian warmth and empathy.

[tater]

With some folks their glass is half full; with some other folks their glass is half empty. Then there's people like Book who just don't have a glass but if they did it'd be empty and upside down.


I've always found that Book cuts to the chase faster and with less verbage than anyone I've seen ;D. He calls em like he sees em.

[tater]

What do I do now Hoarder?
Or is what follows obvious?


Obviously, I will start hoarding.

[Awoke]

My search started with the secret societies, BBG/TLC/CFR, which lead me to the FMC, which lead me to the zionist jew, which finally lead me to lucifer.

It took years for me to dig into all this. Alex was instrumental in my quest for knowledge on the conspiracy, but only to a point. Alex Jones will talk about the first half, but won't touch the last two.

[hoarder]

What do I do now Hoarder?
Or is what follows obvious?
That depends on a lot of things, but for me it's hoard, resist and wake up others.

[hoarder]

Is it too late? :-\
Whether or not it's too late to win the battle is one thing, whether it's too late to resist, fight back and make the enemy miserable is another.

[uncletonoose]

I agree with AWOKE. I woke up a couple of years ago listening to AJ, but got bored with him always interrupting his guests and callers.

[hoarder]

I agree with AWOKE. I woke up a couple of years ago listening to AJ, but got bored with him always interrupting his guests and callers.
I think you guys have a keen sense of omission, meaning that you not only look at what is presented but what is NOT presented.....which is very telling sometimes. I call them "glaring omissions".

[old steel]

I don't see any people marching in the streets in the USA or my own country.

Take 9/11 for instance. You have the President of the USA sitting in a classroom of kids supposedly reading a story book about goats but the photograph of that incident shows him with the book in the upside down position so he isn't reading jack shit he is sitting there biding his time while the country is under attack and he knows it and could care less. What a slap in the face to the entire country.

The photo alone should have had the masses marching on DC in the millions to turf President Dunsel out on his ass.

It's obvious people don't give a rats ass what goes down as long as they are somewhat comfortable with their own lives.

It's so in your face now it's beyond a joke. Everybody knows there were no WMD's in Iraq and nobody cares. The press won't even mention it and over a million innocent people are dead.

Bush/Cheney are war criminals, period!

Nothing is done and no one cares.

Lots of people talk the talk, even on here but no one walks the walk.

Good day.

[uncletonoose]

I don't see any people marching in the streets in the USA or my own country.

Take 9/11 for instance. You have the President of the USA sitting in a classroom of kids supposedly reading a story book about goats but the photograph of that incident shows him with the book in the upside down position so he isn't reading jack shit he is sitting there biding his time while the country is under attack and he knows it and could care less. What a slap in the face to the entire country.

The photo alone should have had the masses marching on DC in the millions to turf President Dunsel out on his ass.

It's obvious people don't give a rats ass what goes down as long as they are somewhat comfortable with their own lives.

It's so in your face now it's beyond a joke. Everybody knows there were no WMD's in Iraq and nobody cares. The press won't even mention it and over a million innocent people are dead.

Bush/Cheney are war criminals, period!

Nothing is done and no one cares.

Lots of people talk the talk, even on here but no one walks the walk.

Good day.



I agree, as long as they have food on the table, and a roof over their heads, TeeVee and a job. All is well.

[mick silver]

thanks hoarder i alway learn something from you ... you were one of a few on the old gim that got me thinking and looking for answers , thanks

[milehi]

With some folks their glass is half full; with some other folks their glass is half empty. Then there's people like Book who just don't have a glass but if they did it'd be empty and upside down.


Don't forget the group that will take the half full glass and pour it into a smaller glass, ending with a full glass.

[SilverTop]

I don't see any people marching in the streets in the USA or my own country.

Take 9/11 for instance. You have the President of the USA sitting in a classroom of kids supposedly reading a story book about goats but the photograph of that incident shows him with the book in the upside down position so he isn't reading jack shit he is sitting there biding his time while the country is under attack and he knows it and could care less. What a slap in the face to the entire country.

The photo alone should have had the masses marching on DC in the millions to turf President Dunsel out on his ass.

It's obvious people don't give a rats ass what goes down as long as they are somewhat comfortable with their own lives.

It's so in your face now it's beyond a joke. Everybody knows there were no WMD's in Iraq and nobody cares. The press won't even mention it and over a million innocent people are dead.

Bush/Cheney are war criminals, period!

Nothing is done and no one cares.

Lots of people talk the talk, even on here but no one walks the walk.

Good day.



The sheeple's attitude really can be summed up as the "Bernays Factor"

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Edward_Bernays

The few of us who are aware haven't been at it as long as the elite have, so we are fighting a uphill battle all the way. Even my 40 something kids, brought up with my guidance are drawn over to Bernays Factor from the schooling and the society that they live in.

But I will admit that the above is only one of the brainwashing techniques used on the sheeple.

Look at Egypt. The 20 somethings in the street want their Facebook, twitter and internet not realizing that there is no one in that country who can lead them to freedom because they want what the elite have given them, more than freedom. So they will just get more of the same, because the system won't change. Way to much at risk for the elites.

[MNeagle]

As a result, you don't have the education,


In fact, you can't even imagine that another way of life is possible. And that's probably the greatest, most significant achievement of our system -- robbing you of your imagination, your creativity, your ability to think and act for yourself.



Bravo.

Our "education" was teaching us what lies to believe.

Real education is learning how to think.

[JDRock]

If I discover that someone or some entity has willfully deceived me, the very obvious next steps are to define their motives and re-evaluate everything else they have taught me.



taking the red pill is to me, in fact, being willing to swallow it again and again as new facts present themselves.....saving NO cherished historical figures or institutions.

[Horn]

Although the terminality of individual thought processes might be natural, we have to ask if it's natural for people like Alex Jones or Max Kaiser to stop there.

Sure it is.

It is daunting to believe your single actions will make mass waves, a hinted suggestion carries as much force in this instance.

Or as an individual, you are always faced with TpTb on the other side of the ball, self preservation becomes a constant.

[onceseen]

There are still too few that understand the enemy and their tactics. The REAL enemy.

dys

[woodman]

Even my 40 something kids, brought up with my guidance are drawn over to Bernays Factor from the schooling and the society that they live in.




Dude, that's alot of kids.

[woodman]

Although the terminality of individual thought processes might be natural, we have to ask if it's natural for people like Alex Jones or Max Kaiser to stop there.

Sure it is.

It is daunting to believe your single actions will make mass waves, a hinted suggestion carries as much force in this instance.

Or as an individual, you are always faced with TpTb on the other side of the ball, self preservation becomes a constant.



A tidal wave starts with a ripple.

[SilverTop]

Even my 40 something kids, brought up with my guidance are drawn over to Bernays Factor from the schooling and the society that they live in.




Dude, that's alot of kids.


:ROFL:

You're right. I ment my 2 forty something kids.

Good catch. ;D

[vacuum]

hoarder I see you asking questions, but the answers are difficult. One you understand the answer to your question, you can also understand how the world is controlled.

You have to understand how human beings work inside. This is covered by esoteric science, the word esoteric simply meaning within.

Simply put, people's actions aren't really controlled by their thoughts. More accurately, people thoughts and thinking process isn't controlled by logic.

http://www.swamij.com/images/karma-01.gif

As is obvious for most of us, by simply participating in a forum like this, people's thoughts and what they write are largely controlled by their egos. Even for those who have a lot of things figured out, the small things, such as arguments and drama, illustrate this. But we here are more of a special case as I will show in a moment.

The below image shows how tptb control us.

http://www.swamij.com/images/karma-act-samsk.gif

The deep impressions people receive in turn shape their desires, emotions, thoughts and actions. This is why they need to generate fear and hate. Wars, while providing nice profits, are also equally valuable as psychological control mechanisms. They need all these global and local problems.

Our money system helps make a self-reinforcing loop. Through it, we all participate in all these bad things. In fact, they only exist because of our participation.

These negative deep impressions create negative karma. Karma simply means action. So negative deep impressions will create negative actions in the real world.

Now why are people here on a forum like this more able to apply 'logic' to their thinking? It is because people here have taken the 'red pill'. That means at some point most of us received a deep impression that in turn gave us the 'emotion of desire' to know the truth. From there we were able to see things a little differently and make some progress.

Why do those who control things all seem to be luciferians who participate in strange rituals?.... instead of just being hedonistic atheists who just turned out to be smarter than the rest and able to out think them and control them? Because they understand systems like this, and instead of relying on intellect, the weakest influence, they work at a deeper level.


Getting back to the original question, why don't people logically figure things out, it is because they have no desire to. And it should now be apparent from the above that no amount of reason or arguing can change that. Until they have experiences that shatter them in some way, there should be no reason to expect anyone to change.

[woodman]

Our money system helps make a self-reinforcing loop.


Getting back to the original question, why don't people logically figure things out, it is because they have no desire to. And it should now be apparent from the above that no amount of reason or arguing can change that. Until they have experiences that shatter them in some way, there should be no reason to expect anyone to change.


Only when people are hit in the wallet do they become entirely awake. Until then, they will send their sons off to die or kill in frivolous wars, all the while justifying it with ridiculous reasonings. Like you say vacuum "it is because they have no desire to." People are excellent at lying to themselves.

[keehah]

The selfishness must be discovered and understood before it can be removed. It is powerless to remove itself, neither will it pass away of itself. Darkness ceases only when light is introduced; So ignorance can only be dispersed by Knowledge; Selfishness by Love. -James Allen

[MAGNES]

Those aware become more aware each day.

Those introduced to a hidden topic, even hidden in plain view never stop learning, hidden history.

I started reading just regular history, and classical history, then espionage nasty stuff.

Non of which is sold to the masses, but corrupted for the masses, and it just leads to other
more controversial discoveries.

This is why even the controlled opposition, limited hangout opposition fails, their followers
move on to a higher level.

The " tea party " movement I strongly believe knows what is going on, Ron Paul followers
and promoters, Ron Paul nails the NeoCons too, they all know Jews did 9/11 . They are
smart enough to know how the disinfo shills work and their works of discredit and smearing
and are smart enough to protect themselves, they are careful. That impresses me.

When did I take the " red pill ", I never stopped taking it till gim RMac and AntyEp
smacked me in the face. NWO total control of everything. Despite me knowing bad
hidden dirty truths. Everyone has building blocks to full awareness, what is that
anyways ? Total corruption of everything and the players involved, same Banksters.
Many follow different paths, history, economics, markets, and all end up in the same place.

[MAGNES]

EUROPEAN ARTIST'S INTERPRETATION

http://i53.tinypic.com/290vvhf.jpg

An individual thinkers interpretation today.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2if3lg1dm-A/R7oQqDqjg2I/AAAAAAAAAOI/8U_BetxtHJY/s400/plato%27s+cave.gif

[hoarder]

I didn't mean that the terminality of thought process is natural for everyone, just the majority. Only a minority of people have enough curiosity and flexibility to overcome their predispositions when new information is presented, or to imagine what follows when they have acquired some new revelation.

[MAGNES]

I didn't mean that the terminality of thought process is natural for everyone, just the majority. Only a minority of people have enough curiosity and flexibility to overcome their predispositions when new information is presented, or to imagine what follows when they have acquired some new revelation.


I think that has more to do with people being comfortable, that is changing.

It is natural for people to be challenged and resist new information, they need to have
an open mind, a reason to move forward, for me that was 9/11 and also just before
9/11 learning about Yugoslavia, this led me directly to Jews and reading crazy shit
but I had no idea what to make of it, others may have been turned off totally.
I was also very well aware of the NeoCons which kept me reading about Jews.
I had no idea of the total control and corruption, even though I read about it,
I did not believe it. Reading classics it took Anty Ep to wake me up on this key
history, Antiochus Epiphanes, lol. Those passionate about 9/11 Truth, Ron Paul supporters,
eventually the active Tea Party, I believe they all have a strong level of awareness,
and they have the potential to totally take the mask off of ZOG with the bottom coming
that I do not see in sight. It is all Rothchild , they can kill us all tomorrow if they wanted.
I believe strongly active military are aware as well, MIL, DIA, they have always been
aware, intelligence agencies spied on each other, kept records, didn't trust each other,
Madsen says NSA is last to be corrupted, NeoCons made moves, there are people
at the top, if not checkmated have the ability to stop all of this. Ford solution.

Also, I know what follows or what to do but have zero power, people are aware
of this and this as well discourages them from getting involved or even caring.
People are like that even when they are not aware of bigger things.

[vacuum]

EUROPEAN ARTIST'S INTERPRETATION

An individual thinkers interpretation today.

Magnes, your post here is very closely related to what I posted above. There is more than one way to explain the same thing.

[MAGNES]

Hoarder, you know what pisses me off about gim,

searches on google gone, we linked NeoCons = Wars = War On Terror = Freedom Erosion = War On You.

It was top 3 on those issues. Non PC websites were top 3, even agora made it to top, page 1.

We knew that we , free people, are targets way back, remember .

Now TSA and DHS are operating out in the open , not that much time has past when you think of it.

The mask is off to a certain extent.

They are running slower than information and the internet which they are targeting.

It is up to us to set brushfires in peoples minds. Famous quote there somewhere, lol .

Whole net is aware for the most part.

We are the light on that shining hill. Who is " we ", we are talking millions of people now.

9/11 IS ZOG DESTRUCTION !

[Neuro]

It takes an IQ of around 120 or above to formulate a somewhat original idea or concept. If you are below this threshold you are dependent on others to formulate them for you. It is not worth the effort for 90% of the population to dig out the facts and question what others are telling them, because they don't have the ability, to process the information into a different opinion, thus they follow...

[MAGNES]

Magnes, your post here is very closely related to what I posted above. There is more than one way to explain the same thing.


Many of us are doing that I know, some good ideas in this thread.

I presented Plato's cave, 2 different interpretations, an ancient version of " the matrix " .

The word idiot comes from the Greek, those that are apathetic and not involved in politics,
the business of their own governance, Americans are lucky to have the Founding Fathers
and their writings modernizing everything, the truth is there, free independent thinkers
beholden to no one, mouthy and armed.

@ Neuro, I would parse that, I agree and disagree, Neuro,
you are linking good stuff together but to be aware and do
the right thing you need information presented to you,
you need to be challenged, something needs to challenge
you, and IQ isn't the total answer or even smarts.
Previous generations were more aware and the more
educated generations with gadgets are the dumbest to date.

[Neuro]

Magnes, I agree, a substantial part of those that are able to think for themselves are dumbed down and have the focus on other things, you certainly need a curiosity in these areas too. Probably people down into the low 100's could also start figuring things out in the right environment...

[Panoptimist]

It should be blatantly obvious who Abraham Jonestein and Maxim Kaiserberg really are and what they're doing.

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[hoarder]

It is up to us to set brushfires in peoples minds. That's it in a nutshell. people of different IQ levels and different personality types are unlocked differently. That's why I started this thread, to help me understand and get others to think about it.

The lower IQ people can be awakened if you point out major contradictions when it effects them the most. Sometimes high IQ types are too stubborn and proud to listen. One of the best recruitment targets is a Mensa member. High IQ types will listen to (or debate with) them before they will a blue collar type of guy.

Minds are like combination locks, we just have to know the combination to get their minds open.

[Book]

Even my 40 something kids, brought up with my guidance are drawn over to Bernays Factor from the schooling and the society that they live in.



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Excellent point. Any father who actually shares what he finds on GSUS with his boy would find the kid's school teacher and Child Protection Services at his doorstep. The kid's peers would report him. The school Psychologist would recommend Ritalin. The Sheriff's department would do a no-knock entry looking for "daddy's guns and ammo". By the time of age twelve the boy will think his father was Homer Simpson or the buffoon Family Guy and disregard him anyway. In front of the teevee and school is where they spend most of their waking time.

[Silver Shield]

I spent 6 years putting together the Sons Of Liberty Academy and I have yet seen anything close to it.

I feel it is the most complete picture of the biggest story never told the slavery of humanity.

Anyone interested in joining for free, PM me.

[Panoptimist]

I spent 6 years putting together the Sons Of Liberty Academy and I have yet seen anything close to it.

I feel it is the most complete picture of the biggest story never told the slavery of humanity.

Anyone interested in joining for free, PM me.




Does "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity" mean anything to you?

Just wondering...

Is it possible to reconcile absolute liberty and absolute equality?

I'm interested in hearing your reasoning behind your strict adherence to the concept of "liberty" and how it has been informed.

[nunaem]

Liberty > Equality, any day.

[Horn]

I didn't mean that the terminality of thought process is natural for everyone, just the majority. Only a minority of people have enough curiosity and flexibility to overcome their predispositions when new information is presented, or to imagine what follows when they have acquired some new revelation.


The guy in the middle of Magnes renditions is required to retain all info. all the while eating red & blue pills to get along.

Another daunting task.

[Horn]

Great thread, hoarder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncgC7pDzcrQ

[hoarder]

Getting back to the original question, why don't people logically figure things out, it is because they have no desire to. And it should now be apparent from the above that no amount of reason or arguing can change that. Until they have experiences that shatter them in some way, there should be no reason to expect anyone to change.
I think there are lots of people who want to know the truth but simply never get there because of internal obstacles. The placing of those obstacles by TPTB is a well established science known to few besides them. People get around these PSYCHOLOGICAL BARRIERS every day, a little at a time. I try to help people understand psychological barriers, whenever possible, before I tell them what they don't want to know.
Here is an example of a psychological barrier, a fake cattle guard that actually discourages cattle from crossing it, although no harm is done by crossing it.

[Horn]

Some would just avoid the writing on the wall.

While watching (and participating) in the tapestry with others is the opportune moment to throw a the gauntlet.

The trick is not to appear as minion of TpTb. ;D

[gunDriller]

i see that all of the time. "i just have to listen to alex jones everyday and i will know everything." :oo-->

you can hear it in the callers sometimes. they make no effort to figure anything out on their own, just waiting until tomorrow's episode of prison planet.


i'm surprised when i see people talk about Jones as a "freedom fighter".

he is 100% controlled opposition, has his leash fastened as tightly as Obama's.

[onceseen]

Getting back to the original question, why don't people logically figure things out, it is because they have no desire to. And it should now be apparent from the above that no amount of reason or arguing can change that. Until they have experiences that shatter them in some way, there should be no reason to expect anyone to change.
I think there are lots of people who want to know the truth but simply never get there because of internal obstacles. The placing of those obstacles by TPTB is a well established science known to few besides them. People get around these PSYCHOLOGICAL BARRIERS every day, a little at a time. I try to help people understand psychological barriers, whenever possible, before I tell them what they don't want to know.
Here is an example of a psychological barrier, a fake cattle guard that actually discourages cattle from crossing it, although no harm is done by crossing it.


Hoarder, could you expand upon pychological barriers when it comes to people? Examples, how you came by this info, etc. Thanks.

dys

[vacuum]

Getting back to the original question, why don't people logically figure things out, it is because they have no desire to. And it should now be apparent from the above that no amount of reason or arguing can change that. Until they have experiences that shatter them in some way, there should be no reason to expect anyone to change.
I think there are lots of people who want to know the truth but simply never get there because of internal obstacles. The placing of those obstacles by TPTB is a well established science known to few besides them. People get around these PSYCHOLOGICAL BARRIERS every day, a little at a time. I try to help people understand psychological barriers, whenever possible, before I tell them what they don't want to know.
Here is an example of a psychological barrier, a fake cattle guard that actually discourages cattle from crossing it, although no harm is done by crossing it.

I agree. The barriers are psychological, not logical.

[hoarder]

Hoarder, could you expand upon pychological barriers when it comes to people? Examples, how you came by this info, etc. Thanks.

dys
It's pretty easy to find them.

"Words can be used to convey information and words can be used to prevent information from being conveyed" was my signature line on GIM1.

When you see words being used to prevent information from being conveyed, psychological barriers are being employed.


Example: "Anyone who believes such and such is a so-and-so". People are afraid of being labeled a so-and-so and they stop thinking. It works!

[woodman]

I think a lot of people, especially older ones who have spent their lives energies invested in the system, protect themselves by refusing to believe or even blocking out unwanted conclusions. The truth is shocking and can fundamentally shake a person. People often prefer to be brainwashed slaves than to allow their faith to crumble. Who wants to believe they have been living a lie?

"and the scales fell from Saul's eyes." Wasn't this or something like it, from the bible?

Often people don't want to see the truth or can only handle it in small doses. Perhaps the truth (reality) is so discontinuous with normal (false) reality that seeing it in all it's naked splendour would drown the student, like a plant given too much nitrogen. The truth is best served in small doses? How many here have woken up all at once? Can anyone relate their expenrience of finding the truth about how the world is run and what is really going on behind the scenes? Personally, I have always been slightly awake, at least since grade school but I really woke up when I started understanding the central banking scheme. It all flows from there. Money is the unit of social interaction. Control social interaction and you control society in all it's myriad functions.

Hoarder, I believe you have hit upon an extremely important aspect of the matrix. Virtual barriers. A good thing to contemplate.

I think at the end of it all, we must ask ourselves what it is we really want from life. Do we really want the things we have been seductively offered? Are they really worth it? We are slaves to our desires. Perhaps to really awaken, we need to come to terms with our desires.

[Book]

I think at the end of it all, we must ask ourselves what it is we really want from life. Do we really want the things we have been seductively offered? Are they really worth it? We are slaves to our desires. Perhaps to really awaken, we need to come to terms with our desires.



http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3317/3657642454_5ac7f0ca11.jpg

Our basic desires simply exist instinctively. Advertisers manipulate these desires to sell us stuff. It works.

[hoarder]

Often people don't want to see the truth or can only handle it in small doses......The truth is best served in small doses? How many here have woken up all at once? Then we must give it to them in small doses....and frequently!

I think at the end of it all, we must ask ourselves what it is we really want from life. Do we really want the things we have been seductively offered? Are they really worth it? Of course they're really worth it! Teevee told me I can't have self-esteem until I acquire them. We want self-esteem don't we?? :D

[sirgonzo420]

I think at the end of it all, we must ask ourselves what it is we really want from life. Do we really want the things we have been seductively offered? Are they really worth it? We are slaves to our desires. Perhaps to really awaken, we need to come to terms with our desires.



http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3317/3657642454_5ac7f0ca11.jpg

Our basic desires simply exist instinctively. Advertisers manipulate these desires to sell us stuff. It works.


It doesn't work on everybody...

[hoarder]

It doesn't work on everybody...
To win a war, you don't have to kill everyone on the other side.

[sirgonzo420]

It doesn't work on everybody...
To win a war, you don't have to kill everyone on the other side.


That's true.

Too bad it seems like my side is filled mostly with idiots who don't realize there is even a war going on.

[Libertarian_Guard]

It takes an IQ of around 120 or above to formulate a somewhat original idea or concept. If you are below this threshold you are dependent on others to formulate them for you. It is not worth the effort for 90% of the population to dig out the facts and question what others are telling them, because they don't have the ability, to process the information into a different opinion, thus they follow...


Neuro

You hit one out of the park with this. Nice!

Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, and little minds discuss people.

[sirgonzo420]

It takes an IQ of around 120 or above to formulate a somewhat original idea or concept. If you are below this threshold you are dependent on others to formulate them for you. It is not worth the effort for 90% of the population to dig out the facts and question what others are telling them, because they don't have the ability, to process the information into a different opinion, thus they follow...


Neuro

You hit one out of the park with this. Nice!

Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, and little minds discuss people.


If I discuss all those things, do I have multiple personalities?

lol

[hoarder]

Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, and little minds discuss people.
Although I somewhat agree, it irks me to see that quote because it came from a Jewess. Perhaps she was suggesting that her tribe were the "people" that "small minds" discussed. :conf:

Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people.
Eleanor Roosevelt
http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Eleanor_Roosevelt

[sirgonzo420]

Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, and little minds discuss people.
Although I somewhat agree, it irks me to see that quote because it came from a Jewess. Perhaps she was suggesting that her tribe were the "people" that "small minds" discussed. :conf:

Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people.
Eleanor Roosevelt
http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Eleanor_Roosevelt


I figure she was talking about "gossip" in general, but piss on what she thinks anyway!

Not a fan of Roosevelts am I.

[Libertarian_Guard]

Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, and little minds discuss people.
Although I somewhat agree, it irks me to see that quote because it came from a Jewess. Perhaps she was suggesting that her tribe were the "people" that "small minds" discussed. :conf:

Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people.
Eleanor Roosevelt
http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Eleanor_Roosevelt


Disputed

Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.

This has been quoted without citation as a statement of Eleanor Roosevelt. It is usually attributed to Admiral Hyman G. Rickover, but though Rickover quoted this, he did not claim to be the author of it; in "The World of the Uneducated" in The Saturday Evening Post (28 November 1959), he prefaces it with "As the unknown sage puts it..."

Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, and little minds discuss people.

In this form it was quoted as an anonymous epigram in A Guide to Effective Public Speaking (1953) by Lawrence Henry Mouat

Several other variants or derivatives of the expression exist, but none provide a definite author:

Great minds discuss ideas, mediocre minds discuss events, small minds discuss personalities.

Great minds discuss ideas
Average minds discuss events
Small minds discuss people

Small minds discuss things
Average minds discuss people
Great minds discuss ideas

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Eleanor_Roosevelt

[hoarder]

Disputed
Well that figures, mass media has worked overtime ever since the fourties painting a rozy picture of the Rozenfelds. They probably got credit for a lot of things they didn't deserve (and vice versa). Gossip is small minded, but discussing public figures is vital, IMO.

[Libertarian_Guard]

Disputed
Well that figures, mass media has worked overtime ever since the fourties painting a rozy picture of the Rozenfelds. They probably got credit for a lot of things they didn't deserve (and vice versa). Gossip is small minded, but discussing public figures is vital, IMO.


Either way, Neuro essentally said the same thing, along with a valid explanation. It makes sense.


"It takes an IQ of around 120 or above to formulate a somewhat original idea or concept. If you are below this threshold you are dependent on others to formulate them for you. It is not worth the effort for 90% of the population to dig out the facts and question what others are telling them, because they don't have the ability, to process the information into a different opinion, thus they follow" ...... Neuro

[Twisted Titan]

Also for the most part, people will not be thankful when given the truth. When the truth one has given is validated and becomes plain to see they are not thankful. They may actually despise you and even turn against you, after all their precious opinions have been proven
to be false.



I remember a real niffty bumper a while a ago:

THE TRUTH MAY HURT........ BUT FIRST IT WILL PISS YOU OFF.

[keehah]

"Investing effort into avoiding effort is why you all want someone else to do the thinking for you..."

http://hypertiger.blogspot.com/2008/08/ignorance-is-blissuntil-it-isnt.html

The Top constructs hopes (Lies) and dreams (Delusions) and offers them to the bottom for sale...And you all who are shopping for hopes and dreams pick your favorite and buy them...Been like this for 6000 years...

You stumble upon the shocking lies behind the lies and think you found truth...Then stop and cry for the rest of your lives...game over...Most of you are basically hard wired at this point in your lives.

I woke up when I was 7 so I only had to shatter the cherished delusions of a 7 year old...

You are going to have to invest more effort at your ages...

Investing effort into avoiding effort is why you all want someone else to do the thinking for you...

It's not if...Inevitable...According to the charts the population of the USA and the world has basically been marching to their doom with glee for the past 64 years...

The best way to avoid having to admit you are wrong is to not do anything wrong...

This might be helpful...

"The few (Absolute capitalists at the top of the absolute capitalist Hierarchy) who profit (Yield POWER) from the labor of the masses want to organize the workers (drones) into an army (Of absolute capitalistic yield locusts) which will protect the interests of the (Absolute) capitalists."--Helen Keller, 1916

Ok children...Remember if anyone asks...Just say you are a human being...Before you know it everyone will think they are Human beings...

Hey I bet if children were taught that they were sarcauphagus eventually everyone would think they were sarcauphagus...

Or that the sky was green and the grass was blue...Eventually the sky would be green and the grass blue...

Or that Ignorance is bliss...Eventually everyone would think ignorance is bliss.

And march to their doom with glee...Except replace "Doom" which is yucky sounding with "The wonderful heavenly future"

Bait at the start and switch at the end...Because it was doom all along...

[onceseen]

Tell someone a lie, make them angry. Tell someone the truth, make them furious. One of the most disappointing things that I've learned over the past few years is that a smoking gun doesn't lead to credibility in most people's eyes. For example, I successfully called the real estate collapse and even got the timing almost exactly correct. I also called the oil spikes, the no WOMD in Iraq, and the fact that we would never leave Iraq. Now, you would think that my family would say after all this, "gee, dysgenic, you might actually be an informed person and not crazy." Never happened. In fact, the opposite is true. They think I am more nuts now than ever. Can't quite wrap my head around that one.

dys

[Horn]

Disputed
Well that figures, mass media has worked overtime ever since the fourties painting a rozy picture of the Rozenfelds. They probably got credit for a lot of things they didn't deserve (and vice versa). Gossip is small minded, but discussing public figures is vital, IMO.


Either way, Neuro essentally said the same thing, along with a valid explanation. It makes sense.


"It takes an IQ of around 120 or above to formulate a somewhat original idea or concept. If you are below this threshold you are dependent on others to formulate them for you. It is not worth the effort for 90% of the population to dig out the facts and question what others are telling them, because they don't have the ability, to process the information into a different opinion, thus they follow" ...... Neuro


Off topic...

[Son-of-Liberty]

Tell someone a lie, make them angry. Tell someone the truth, make them furious. One of the most disappointing things that I've learned over the past few years is that a smoking gun doesn't lead to credibility in most people's eyes. For example, I successfully called the real estate collapse and even got the timing almost exactly correct. I also called the oil spikes, the no WOMD in Iraq, and the fact that we would never leave Iraq. Now, you would think that my family would say after all this, "gee, dysgenic, you might actually be an informed person and not crazy." Never happened. In fact, the opposite is true. They think I am more nuts now than ever. Can't quite wrap my head around that one.

dys


I know what you mean. I was proven right time and again too. Funny thing is just when you think you are making a breakthrough with certain people they prove you wrong. I get how these mental blocks are working but I am still amazed that they can last so long. The emotional investment in the lie seems to be so powerful in some people that no amount of logic or reason will work.

However I am thankful that I finally found a woman that "thinks." She doesn't always agree with me but if I can prove to her with hard facts that I am correct she will change her mind.

[hoarder]

Tell someone a lie, make them angry. Tell someone the truth, make them furious. One of the most disappointing things that I've learned over the past few years is that a smoking gun doesn't lead to credibility in most people's eyes. For example, I successfully called the real estate collapse and even got the timing almost exactly correct. I also called the oil spikes, the no WOMD in Iraq, and the fact that we would never leave Iraq. Now, you would think that my family would say after all this, "gee, dysgenic, you might actually be an informed person and not crazy." Never happened. In fact, the opposite is true. They think I am more nuts now than ever. Can't quite wrap my head around that one.

dys
People dread being told "I told you so". How you present the unpleasant truth has much do do with how it will be taken. If you can plant many seeds of thought and herd them to the conclusion, then praise them for being so observant, they'll think they figured it out themselves.

[Horn]

People dread being told "I told you so". How you present the unpleasant truth has much do do with how it will be taken. If you can plant many seeds of thought and herd them to the conclusion, then praise them for being so observant, they'll think they figured it out themselves.

TpTb uses the same strategy when creating problems for solutions.

Don't forget they include themselves in at the conclusion too.

"It was a joint effort".

[hoarder]

TpTb uses the same strategy when creating problems for solutions.

Don't forget they include themselves in at the conclusion too.

"It was a joint effort".



Good point. I think "clever tactics" are more effective when telling the truth than when lying, though. Unfotunately our rulers have the advantage of broadcasting and repetition.

[Horn]

TpTb uses the same strategy when creating problems for solutions.

Don't forget they include themselves in at the conclusion too.

"It was a joint effort".

Good point. I think "clever tactics" are more effective when telling the truth than when lying, though. Unfotunately our rulers have the advantage of broadcasting and repetition.


I'm finding more & more are just catching bits & pieces, as the programing is depressing for them.

Where there is a hole, there is hope. ;D

[etc]

It seems TPTB understand this and put forth people like Max Kaiser who "awaken" the masses (not really, they only confirm what seekers already know) and won't discuss what follows. Instead they're about joining a group of the aware, instead of becoming more aware. "Hooray for us, we're smarter than everyone else because we know something they don't".




Actually the awareness level, even among the so-called awakened is pretty low. You are right, they discover some fraud, maybe buy a book or two, but that's about it. There is no awareness there. It doesn't change their lives - at all. They go back to doing the same old thing.

There are tons of missing links.

How to live away from the System, without needing the System.
How to live in privacy.
How to obtain alternative documentation.
How to get revenue without being dependent on the system.

There are tons of questions and few practical answers, just rhetoric and more rhetoric and generalities. The awareness level is very low even on a forum such as this one. The patriot media is just total BS, they don't offer any guidance or any solutions, just scape the patriot sheep to death.

Getting supplies and living in 'bunker mentality' waiting for the end is no answer at all. It's a road leading nowhere.

[Awoke]

The emotional investment in the lie seems to be so powerful in some people that no amount of logic or reason will work.





People dread being told "I told you so".


Both statements QFT. (quoted for truth)

[Twisted Titan]

Tell someone a lie, make them angry. Tell someone the truth, make them furious. One of the most disappointing things that I've learned over the past few years is that a smoking gun doesn't lead to credibility in most people's eyes. For example, I successfully called the real estate collapse and even got the timing almost exactly correct. I also called the oil spikes, the no WOMD in Iraq, and the fact that we would never leave Iraq. Now, you would think that my family would say after all this, "gee, dysgenic, you might actually be an informed person and not crazy." Never happened. In fact, the opposite is true. They think I am more nuts now than ever. Can't quite wrap my head around that one.

dys


I know what you mean. I was proven right time and again too. Funny thing is just when you think you are making a breakthrough with certain people they prove you wrong. I get how these mental blocks are working but I am still amazed that they can last so long. The emotional investment in the lie seems to be so powerful in some people that no amount of logic or reason will work.




That was exactly the reason why I stayed in a marriage with a woman that was bi-polar.

It was never gonna correct....... but I kept force feeding myself some really bad lies .

It will get better.
she will change.
its not bad all the time.
we go to counciling
we do fun stuff.
we have alot in common.
Fill in the blank



Thinking back on those 10 years of my life I can never get back...im still kinda raw about betting on the wrong horse for that lenght of time.


Truth in a powerful medicine that has the power to kill you if your not strong enough to take it.

Kinda off topic but you can see the foolishness people do when forced to face reality.

THEY DONT.


T

[keehah]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie

"In 1893, Durkheim introduced the concept of anomie to describe the mismatch of collective guild labor to evolving societal needs when the guild was homogeneous in its constituency. He equated homogeneous (redundant) skills to mechanical solidarity whose inertia retarded adaptation. He contrasted this with the self-regulating behavior of a division of labor based on differences in constituency, equated to organic solidarity, whose lack of inertia made it differentially sensitive to need changes.

Durkheim observed that these two labour forms could not co-exist. The conflict between the evolved organic division of labor and the homogeneous mechanical type was such that one could not long exist in the presence of the other: "This social type rests on principles so different from the preceding that it can develop only in proportion to the effacement of that preceding type". and "The history of these two types shows, in effect, that one has progressed only as the other has retrogressed". When solidarity is organic, anomie is "impossible whenever solidary organs are sufficiently in contact or sufficiently prolonged. In effect, being contiguous, they are quickly warned, in each circumstance, of the need they have of one another, and, consequently, they have a lively and continuous sentiment of their mutual dependence. For the same reason that exchanges take place among them easily, they take place frequently, and in time the work of consolidation is achieved". Their sensitivity to mutual needs promotes the evolution in the division of labor "because the smallest reaction can be felt from one part to another. ... they foresee and fix, in detail, the conditions of equilibrium". "Producers, being near consumers, can easily reckon the extent of the needs to be satisfied. Equilibrium is established without any trouble and production regulates itself." Durkheim contrasted the condition of anomie as being the result of mechanical solidarity: "But on the contrary, if some opaque environment is interposed, then only stimuli of certain intensity can be communicated from one organ to another. Relations being rare, are not repeated enough to be determined; each time there ensues new grouping. The lines of passage taken by the streams of movement cannot deepen because the streams themselves are too intermittent". "Contact is no longer sufficient. The producer can no longer embrace the market at a glance, nor even in thought. He can no longer see its limits, since it is, so to speak limitless. Accordingly, production becomes unbridled and unregulated."

Durkheim's use of the term anomie was about a phenomenon of industrialization—mass-regimentation that could not adapt due to its own inertia—its resistance to change, which causes disruptive cycles of collective behavior (e.g. economics) due to the necessity of a prolonged buildup of sufficient force or momentum to overcome the inertia."

[Horn]

Is that a "Certification of no mutant enemies", keehah?

[keehah]

amazon.com/Prophetic-Imagination-2nd-Walter-Brueggemann/product-reviews/ (http://www.amazon.com/Prophetic-Imagination-2nd-Walter-Brueggemann/product-reviews/0800632877/ref=cm_cr_dp_synop?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending#RNVNWZZ4VD2SD)

The Prophetic Imagination is a profound and illuminating book, applying observations of the socio-political tensions in the Biblical narrative, and touching on human psychology. The observations, then, facilitate a close comparison of the imperial critique found within scripture and that of present consumerist society. ...

In The Prophetic Imagination, Walter Brueggemann's review of the Old Testament narrative leads him to recognize general characteristics of the imperial consciousness, and in the prophet's task to "evoke a consciousness and perception alternative to the consciousness and perception of the dominant culture around us."(13) The world of empire, according to Brueggemann, is sustained by three interconnected elements: The Economy of Affluence, Politics of Oppression, and the Religion of Imminence (that is, domestication of God). Hence, the empire ignores God's freedom (that God cannot be domesticated) and his justice (his advocacy of the oppressed). The royal consciousness, then, leads people to apathy about suffering and death, and despair about power to new life. The task of the prophet is to subvert this royal consciousness. ...
___________
Brueggemann shows convincingly from the ministries of Moses, Jeremiah, and Jesus, how each man in response to either an oppressive empire (Egypt) or unjust, religious community (pre-exilic Judah and first century Israel) employs "radical criticism" to "dismantle" the dying or dead culture. Solomon's imperial rule is also examined as an example of how a "royal consciousness" may serve to subvert even the community of promise resulting in satiation and the inevitable numbness and death. Second Isaiah (Isa. 40-66) serves as the primary example of the second aspect of the prophetic task; namely, "energizing" the despairing community with hope.

Brueggemann presents his thesis concerning the would-be Christian prophets' need for personal anguish, grief, and mourning as contrasted with the less painful exercise of mere anger and apathy while he ministers as God's instrument. For me it was surprising and gratifying to discover that an Old Testament professor from a mainline Protestant tradition could supply such compelling insights concerning both the tasks and the traumas of God's prophets. Not even my Pentecostal seminary professors helped me in this regard as much as this short read.

In the final chapter, it is clear the Brueggemann has the contemporary Christian community in mind as those again in need of the prophets' ministry today, but such discussion is not elaborated. Although he puts his finger on the many "bourgeois . . . obdurate" congregations of Christendom today--endicting them as closed and unsupportive to prophetic ministry--the courage to rebuke and expand upon their disinterest is not forthcoming here. The examination remains theoretical with the author's admission of "my own unsureness about this perception" (p. 111). The door remains ajar for others, however, as we read: "grief and praise are ways of prophetic criticism and energy, which can be more intentional even in our age" (p.111). ...

[Horn]

The task of the prophet is to subvert this royal consciousness. ...

Subvert, or redefine to one's self at least.

Uggh, an extremely hard road requiring a combination of balance & strength.

The rewards must be great, if not... the unjust world belongs in the shitter... ;D

Pure blueblood fondness, here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpsyrfoX8zw

[Antonio]

Intellectual courage is much more rare than the physical kind.
Plenty of people look death in the face bravely but they wimp out when one tries to destroy their cherished delusions.

A firefighter will run into a burning building to try to save someone else`s kid but he`ll cringe if one tells him about 911.

Very few people are committed to searching for truth every second of their lives, however horrible the truth may be.

Truth is hazardous to health, knowing doesn`t improve sleep nor appetite.

[Horn]

A post worthy of the highest praise, frankincense and myrrh for Antonio.

[Antonio]

A post worthy of the highest praise, frankincense and myrrh for Antonio.


I`m a truth junkie, bro. I`ve had too much and I need detox.Can`t sleep at all.

[Neuro]

A post worthy of the highest praise, frankincense and myrrh for Antonio.


I`m a truth junkie, bro. I`ve had too much and I need detox.Can`t sleep at all.
Welcome back from Siberia!

[Antonio]

Jeb Bush: The truth is useless. You have to understand this right now. You can't deposit the truth in a bank. You can't buy groceries with the truth. You can't pay rent with the truth. The truth is a useless commodity that will hang around your neck like an albatross all the way to the homeless shelter. And if you think that the million or so people in this country that are really interested in the truth about their government can support people who would tell them the truth, you got another thing coming. Because the million or so people in this country that are truly interested in the truth don't have any money.

[onceseen]

Esoteric nonsense.

dys



amazon.com/Prophetic-Imagination-2nd-Walter-Brueggemann/product-reviews/ (http://www.amazon.com/Prophetic-Imagination-2nd-Walter-Brueggemann/product-reviews/0800632877/ref=cm_cr_dp_synop?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending#RNVNWZZ4VD2SD)

The Prophetic Imagination is a profound and illuminating book, applying observations of the socio-political tensions in the Biblical narrative, and touching on human psychology. The observations, then, facilitate a close comparison of the imperial critique found within scripture and that of present consumerist society. ...

In The Prophetic Imagination, Walter Brueggemann's review of the Old Testament narrative leads him to recognize general characteristics of the imperial consciousness, and in the prophet's task to "evoke a consciousness and perception alternative to the consciousness and perception of the dominant culture around us."(13) The world of empire, according to Brueggemann, is sustained by three interconnected elements: The Economy of Affluence, Politics of Oppression, and the Religion of Imminence (that is, domestication of God). Hence, the empire ignores God's freedom (that God cannot be domesticated) and his justice (his advocacy of the oppressed). The royal consciousness, then, leads people to apathy about suffering and death, and despair about power to new life. The task of the prophet is to subvert this royal consciousness. ...
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Brueggemann shows convincingly from the ministries of Moses, Jeremiah, and Jesus, how each man in response to either an oppressive empire (Egypt) or unjust, religious community (pre-exilic Judah and first century Israel) employs "radical criticism" to "dismantle" the dying or dead culture. Solomon's imperial rule is also examined as an example of how a "royal consciousness" may serve to subvert even the community of promise resulting in satiation and the inevitable numbness and death. Second Isaiah (Isa. 40-66) serves as the primary example of the second aspect of the prophetic task; namely, "energizing" the despairing community with hope.

Brueggemann presents his thesis concerning the would-be Christian prophets' need for personal anguish, grief, and mourning as contrasted with the less painful exercise of mere anger and apathy while he ministers as God's instrument. For me it was surprising and gratifying to discover that an Old Testament professor from a mainline Protestant tradition could supply such compelling insights concerning both the tasks and the traumas of God's prophets. Not even my Pentecostal seminary professors helped me in this regard as much as this short read.

In the final chapter, it is clear the Brueggemann has the contemporary Christian community in mind as those again in need of the prophets' ministry today, but such discussion is not elaborated. Although he puts his finger on the many "bourgeois . . . obdurate" congregations of Christendom today--endicting them as closed and unsupportive to prophetic ministry--the courage to rebuke and expand upon their disinterest is not forthcoming here. The examination remains theoretical with the author's admission of "my own unsureness about this perception" (p. 111). The door remains ajar for others, however, as we read: "grief and praise are ways of prophetic criticism and energy, which can be more intentional even in our age" (p.111). ...

[keehah]

Esoteric nonsense.
A mimsy post.

[Book]

Esoteric nonsense.

A mimsy post.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5lSb3PtU-U

:)

[Horn]

Esoteric nonsense.
A mimsy post.


onceseen, never sewn.

[hoarder]

There goes my thread!

[Horn]

There goes my thread!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14qjtGEePVY

[keehah]

There goes my thread!



Jabberwocky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabberwocky)

’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

“Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!”

He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought...


'It seems very pretty,' [Alice] said when she had finished it, 'but it's rather hard to understand!' (You see she didn't like to confess, even to herself, that she couldn't make it out at all.) 'Somehow it seems to fill my head with ideas—-only I don't exactly know what they are! However, somebody killed something: that's clear, at any rate'

[keehah]

Shenanigans!


http://politicsandpucks.blogspot.com/2011/02/glenn-beck-and-alex-jones-are.html

3:01 PM Mike Brownstein

In the last few months, I've been blogging a lot about some of the crazy things Glenn Beck has been saying. Beck has been predicting a New World Order take over that would essentially be the endgame for ultimate government control. While this idea is absolutely ridiculous, and has been adopted by some ultra-conservative groups, this idea isn't new. In fact, Glenn Beck may be following someone else's lead: Alex Jones.

Alex Jones is a leading conspiracy theorist about the New World Order, and runs a website called Prison Planet. HE has helped release dozens of movies that "uncover" plans for governments to "control" and "incarcerate" their people. His most famous work is the Loose Change project which claims the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks were an inside job.

Now that we know about these two individuals, let's see how similar their rhetoric is.

Let's start with a Glenn Beck clip from his show on February 9, 2011:
[youtube]
Okay, that was a standard rant by Glenn Beck. He is generally saying that we need to all prepare for government take over, and it is imminent. So what about Alex Jones?
[youtube]
Granted it's not the same topic, but the ideas are very similar.

So what am I trying to say? Glenn Beck's rhetoric is not new, and some people are very paranoid and believe in every word that both these men say. Why? Because they're scared that these men might be right. This rhetoric has been going on for awhile, and sadly some people very strongly buy into these theories. When Glenn Beck claims he's not a conspiracy theorist, I call shenanigans.

[keehah]

OMG! Its Alex Jones and Glenn Beck!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm9o6DH_uzE

[Horn]

There goes my thread!


http://bestchurchofgod.org/.god/uploads/Image/ArticlesGeneral/Misc/Mel%20Gibson.jpg

[keehah]

"What Follows is Obvious"

A fair and balanced Rolling Stone article?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/glenn-becks-shtick-alex-jones-got-there-first-20110304

It is quite pleasing to read the comments after a Rolling Stone article and it could just as well be a GIM thread from just a few years ago.
:gwing

[Horn]

OMG! Its Alex Jones and Glenn Beck!

See these guys had inside elite connections too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A86qGMVkv8

[dys]

"There is an old saying about those that forget history. I don't remember it, but it's good."
Stephen Colbert

dys

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWVnZAJaq4Q

[keehah]

EUROPEAN ARTIST'S INTERPRETATION

An individual thinkers interpretation today.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2if3lg1dm-A/R7oQqDqjg2I/AAAAAAAAAOI/8U_BetxtHJY/s400/plato%27s+cave.gif

They did a good job; using the allegory to also explain history. And the occulted fascism reaped it's deserves. Thats how I read the shadows.

Echo & The Bunnymen - Bring On The Dancing Horses (1985)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaWs79v0ugE

[Gaillo]

It's akin to a child finding out that Santa is just a fictional character but still believing with all their heart that his elves are busy making toys at the north pole God and his angels are lovingly ministering over this complete MESS of a "civilization", rewarding the wicked and punishing the righteous. People seem to have an infinite ability to keep themselves in a state of ignorance.

Fixed that for ya.

[Ponce]

I only read the first post......this is what i call "using the back door"........the reason for this is as one of my saying goes "They only tell us what they want us to know, or what they cannot longer hide"... Ponce

The information if important, or valid, only if you know how it was created, it must come from three valid sources.

[Horn]

Where there is a hole, there is hope. ;D

ten characters

[Hatha Sunahara]

I don't disagree with the OP. I think the reason that many people lack
curiosity, or initiative in pursuing 'new' information is because we have a
dominant authoritarian culture emanating from all of our institutions. A huge
percentage of Americans--a minimum of at least 35% grow up in authoritarian
families, where they are conditioned to conform and obey in all their actions
and thinking. The rest get this authoritarian conditioning from institutions
other than the family--the schools, government bureaucracies, corporations.
The message is 'conform, and obey, and do not question authority'.

So what does this do to individuals? Well, this thread has described
everything it does to individuals. It makes most of them passive. The logic of
authoritarianism is the if you do something, or say something we don't like, we
will beat you into a bloody pulp. The schools do it, the police, the military,
the corporations, the courts, they all exude this message. So, if you don't
know what they don't like, you do know what will happen to you if you do or say
something the authorities don't like, so you keep your mouth shut, and you
become real careful about what you actually do that you don't talk about. Or,
you make friends with the authoritarians who teach you what not to do or say,
and if you are useful to them, they will put you on a career ladder. Working
for them, and beating up dissenters or fools into bloody pulps for your own
career advancement.

Everybody knows this. If you are not an insider--an authoritarian, you become
very careful. If you're not careful, you will get horribly abused. If you are
an insider authoritarian, you are protected as long as you follow orders. This
is Life 101. The bottom line. What they teach you in school is all bullshit
and lies. It is what you learn from your own experience that actually counts,
and is the basis for understanding of what is real--beyond the bullshit and lies
they teach you in school. It also explains why people behave as they do.


Hatha

[hoarder]

The authoritarian environment controls peoples behavior, but people who have active, functioning minds still think for themselves. It's pure laziness that makes people allow others to do their thinking for them.