The drugs won't work if you don't believe in them.

[Ponce]

Because I don't believe in pills I conducted my own experiment......the only thing that I take is a pain killer by the name of ETODOLAC, what I did was to find another similar looking pill and made a mark on them, when ever I had to take a pain pill I would take a pill out of the bottle where the two pills were mixed together and waited........the pain pill always worked for me rather than the funny pill.
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The drugs won't work if you don't believe in them.

Pain really is all in the mind, according to scientists who have discovered that positive thoughts can double a painkiller's effect while negative thoughts can cancel them out.

By Stephen Adams, Medical Correspondent 7:00PM GMT 16 Feb 2011

Researchers from Oxford, Cambridge and two German universities made their conclusions after a novel experiment examining the role of conscious thought in pain perception.

First, 22 volunteers had a pain device put on their skin that was too hot for comfort.

Each then had an intravenous line attached to deliver a powerful opiate-based painkiller.

The volunteers were asked to rate the pain before any painkiller was introduced. The average score, from 0 to 100, was 66.

Then the researchers started providing the painkiller, without telling the volunteers they had done so. The average score dropped to 55.

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But when the scientists told them they had started administering the painkiller the score dropped again to 39.

When they said they had stopped providing the painkiller, the score rose to 64 - even though the opiate was still flowing.

At the same time the volunteers' brain activity was monitored using MRI scans. These showed their brains' pain networks were more active when they thought the drug was not being administered, while 'positive' thoughts that the painkiller was flowing inhibited such activity.

Professor Irene Tracey of the Centre for Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging of the Brain at Oxford University, who led the research, said: "Doctors shouldn’t underestimate the significant influence that patients’ negative expectations can have on outcome.

"For example, people with chronic pain will often have seen many doctors and tried 16many drugs that haven’t worked for them.

"They come to see the clinician with all this negative experience, not expecting to receive anything that will work for them.

"Doctors have almost got to work on that first before any drug will have an effect on their pain."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8328575/The-drugs-wont-work-if-you-dont-believe-in-them.html

[Antonio]

The drugs won't work if you don't believe in them.

Pain really is all in the mind, according to scientists who have discovered that positive thoughts can double a painkiller's effect while negative thoughts can cancel them out.

By Stephen Adams, Medical Correspondent 7:00PM GMT 16 Feb 2011

Researchers from Oxford, Cambridge and two German universities made their conclusions after a novel experiment examining the role of conscious thought in pain perception.

First, 22 volunteers had a pain device put on their skin that was too hot for comfort.

Each then had an intravenous line attached to deliver a powerful opiate-based painkiller.

The volunteers were asked to rate the pain before any painkiller was introduced. The average score, from 0 to 100, was 66.

Then the researchers started providing the painkiller, without telling the volunteers they had done so. The average score dropped to 55.



Really? Only someone with very high opiate tolerance will not respond to opiates in terms of their marked pain reduction. Did they conduct this experiment on junkies?

Dope always works on most kinds of pain at first (certain cancer metastatic pain responds a little only to dope delivered into the spinal fluid).

PS. Any time these quacks want to conduct opiate experiments I`m always ready to roll up my sleeve ;D

[Serpo]

Placebo Effect: A Cure in the Mind

Belief is powerful medicine, even if the treatment itself is a sham. New research shows placebos can also benefit patients who do not have faith in them

A man whom his doctors referred to as “Mr. Wright” was dying from cancer of the lymph nodes. Orange-size tumors had invaded his neck, groin, chest and abdomen, and his doctors had exhausted all available treatments. Nevertheless, Mr. Wright was confident that a new anticancer drug called Krebiozen would cure him, according to a 1957 report by psychologist Bruno Klopfer of the University of California, Los Angeles, entitled “Psychological Variables in Human Cancer.”



Mr. Wright was bedridden and fighting for each breath when he received his first injection. But three days later he was cheerfully ambling around the unit, joking with the nurses. Mr. Wright’s tumors had shrunk by half, and after 10 more days of treatment he was discharged from the hospital. And yet the other patients in the hospital who had received Krebiozen showed no improvement.








In recent decades reports have confirmed the efficacy of various sham treatments in nearly all areas of medicine. Placebos have helped alleviate pain, depression, anxiety, Parkinson’s disease, inflammatory disorders and even cancer.
Placebo effects can arise not only from a conscious belief in a drug but also from subconscious associations between recovery and the experience of being treated—from the pinch of a shot to a doctor’s white coat. Such subliminal conditioning can control bodily processes of which we are unaware, such as immune responses and the release of hormones.
Researchers have decoded some of the biology of placebo responses, demonstrating that they stem from active processes in the brain.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=placebo-effect-a-cure-in-the-mind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzjoKhBklYg

[Antonio]

Funny vid,Serpo!

PS. I assure you that if you are clean and 50mg of say, Demerol starts rushing thru your mainline, you ARE gonna feel it ;D.

[Serpo]

Funny vid,Serpo!

PS. I assure you that if you are clean and 50mg of say, Demerol starts rushing thru your mainline, you ARE gonna feel it ;D.


We become the drug.

[SLV^GLD]

There is placebo effect and there is measurable brain effects from opiates. There is also synergy between the two. To say pain is all in the mind is to ignore the measurable. A simple test is to give a painkiller to someone in pain who does not know they are receiving it. They WILL feel less pain. A whole hell of a lot of drugs not classified as analgesics or opiates or whatever you wanna calla "painkiller" also have measurable brain affect that can be dramatically supplemented with placebo. In some cases, placebo is all that is needed. I've watched pupils dilate and people go nuts on plain paper they thought was laced with LSD but was not. Then again, I've seen what the real deal will do to you as well.

The higher your tolerance, the more your experience and the more you understand what the drug is actually doing in your body the more you can begin to delineate what is placebo and what is physiological.

The real fun begins when you think you're receiving one drug when you are actually receiving another. Then experience is king.

[Antonio]

Like all junkies who get clean I stabbed myself with a clean syringe dozens of times right after achieving total detox from opiates.
The prick of the needle relieved my screaming withdrawal a bit because the brain has learned to associate the needle with relief.

There is placebo and there are real drug effects, there is no need to intentionally misinform people like the quacks in this article do.
There is a shortage of key pharmaceuticals and they want us to just take the pain and shut up, "it`s all in your brain".


I obviously could go on and on about this topic, so I won`t ;).

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

The NOCEBO effect - an active disbelief in drugs makes them less effective.

[SLV^GLD]

Loving your avatar, TNE.

[Horn]

The prick of the needle relieved my screaming withdrawal a bit because the brain has learned to associate the needle with relief.


Couple rattlesnakes might make it last longer.

[Antonio]

The NOCEBO effect - an active disbelief in drugs makes them less effective.


Yes. I know quite a few dense, untalented individuals who tried some tasty drugs in my presense and felt nothing.
Like sex, not everyone enjoys it the same. Many athlets and ex-athlets who are very aware of their bodies tend to succumb to sex and drug addiction.

It takes talent and real dedication to enjoy drugs fully.

[chad]

i bet if i shot off your legs, and then i shot off some other guy's legs (ala world war 2) and gave one of you a placebo and one of your morphine, one of you would quit quit screaming almost immediately. and i bet it wouldn't be the placebo guy.

[Gaillo]

i bet if i shot off your legs, and then i shot off some other guy's legs (ala world war 2) and gave one of you a placebo and one of your morphine, one of you would quit quit screaming almost immediately. and i bet it wouldn't be the placebo guy.


This.

I've never tried the opoid drugs recreationally, and don't intend to... but I remember in my youth being given a small white tablet after an allergy scratch test at the doctor's office, and HOLY SHIT... it knocked me DOWN for the count!!! Seriously... within 2 minutes, I was feeling NO pain - floating on a cloud of bliss, I was watching TV at the time and the person talking's voice seemed to suddenly telescope into infinity, I remember waking up the next day not knowing who, where, or what I was.

Drugs work, every time, which goes a long way toward explaining their popularity! ;D

[Horn]

Good sound on this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESRJZPusr-M

[Antonio]

i bet if i shot off your legs, and then i shot off some other guy's legs (ala world war 2) and gave one of you a placebo and one of your morphine, one of you would quit quit screaming almost immediately. and i bet it wouldn't be the placebo guy.


This.

I've never tried the opoid drugs recreationally, and don't intend to... but I remember in my youth being given a small white tablet after an allergy scratch test at the doctor's office, and HOLY shit... it knocked me DOWN for the count!!! Seriously... within 2 minutes, I was feeling NO pain - floating on a cloud of bliss, I was watching TV at the time and the person talking's voice seemed to suddenly telescope into infinity, I remember waking up the next day not knowing who, where, or what I was.

Drugs work, every time, which goes a long way toward explaining their popularity! ;D


I`ve spoken to many upstanding members of the society about drug use. These people are as far from the drug scene as it gets. Many told me about their rare and unforgettable experiences with pharma dope like a fentanyl shot b4 surgery or some demerol b4 an endoscopy. They said it was both magnificent and scary as all hell because they knew they loved it.

A dude had eye surgery and had cocaine dropped in the eye, said it was the best 15 minutes of his life.

[willie pete]

i bet if i shot off your legs, and then i shot off some other guy's legs (ala world war 2) and gave one of you a placebo and one of your morphine, one of you would quit quit screaming almost immediately. and i bet it wouldn't be the placebo guy.


This.

I've never tried the opoid drugs recreationally, and don't intend to... but I remember in my youth being given a small white tablet after an allergy scratch test at the doctor's office, and HOLY shit... it knocked me DOWN for the count!!! Seriously... within 2 minutes, I was feeling NO pain - floating on a cloud of bliss, I was watching TV at the time and the person talking's voice seemed to suddenly telescope into infinity, I remember waking up the next day not knowing who, where, or what I was.

Drugs work, every time, which goes a long way toward explaining their popularity! ;D



I've had dental surgery (periodontal) and it's been my experience as long as I was in the chair the local anesthetics worked fine, it was AFTERWARDS when the pain was about a solid 7 on the 1-10 scale , and it's not a burning sharp pain like was done to volunteers in the study, it was more of a DEEP,CONSTANT THROBBING Pain that interfeared with everything

[Serpo]

[quote=chad ]
I remember waking up the next day not knowing who, where, or what I was.




Sounds like half the population.... ;D