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7th trump
21st February 2011, 08:42 AM
Thought I would post this for those who doesnt know who satan is. he has many names.



Ezek 28:12-19
12 "Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, 'Thus says the Lord GOD: "You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering: the sardius, topaz, and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created.
14 "You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; you were on the holy mountain of God; you walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, till iniquity was found in you.
16 "By the abundance of your trading you became filled with violence within, and you sinned; therefore I cast you as a profane thing out of the mountain of God; and I destroyed you, O covering cherub, from the midst of the fiery stones.
17 "Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor; I cast you to the ground, I laid you before kings, that they might gaze at you.
18 "You defiled your sanctuaries by the multitude of your iniquities, by the iniquity of your trading; therefore I brought fire from your midst; it devoured you, and I turned you to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all who saw you.
19 All who knew you among the peoples are astonished at you; you have become a horror, and shall be no more forever."' "
(NKJ)

Isa 14:12-17
12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, you who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation on the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.'
15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, to the lowest depths of the Pit.
16 "Those who see you will gaze at you, and consider you, saying: 'Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms,
17 Who made the world as a wilderness and destroyed its cities, who did not open the house of his prisoners?'
(NKJ)




The word cherub (cherubim is the Hebrew masculine plural) is a word borrowed from the Assyrian kirubu, from karâbu, "to be near", hence it means near ones, familiars, personal servants, bodyguards, courtiers. It was commonly used of those heavenly spirits, who closely surrounded the Majesty of God and paid Him intimate service. Hence it came to mean as much as "Angelic Spirit". (The change from K of Karâbu, to K of Kirub is nothing unusual in Assyrian. The word has been brought into connection with the Egyptian Xefer by metathesis from Xeref=K-r-bh.) A similar metathesis and play upon sound undoubtedly exists between Kerub and Rakab, "to ride", and Merkeba, "chariot". The late Jewish explanation by analogy between Kerub and Rekûb, "a youth", seems worthless. The word ought to be pronounced in English qerub and querubim, and not with a soft ch.

ximmy
21st February 2011, 03:48 PM
hey hey, they say it takes one to know one... good job 7th!!! ::)

7th trump
21st February 2011, 04:56 PM
hey hey, they say it takes one to know one... good job 7th!!! ::)

You have a funny way of showing affection ximmy! :-*
Sorry ximmy but I'm married with a daughter and son.

StreetsOfGold
21st February 2011, 05:16 PM
Lucifer was the 5th cherub. If you compare the animals with the faces of the cherubs you come out with this

Ezekiel 1:10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.

Man is represented
The non-domesticated animal is represented
The domesticated animal is represented
The Birds are represented

Which one is missing??

Reptiles

Why? Lucifer is the representative of this class and that's why he is referred to as a Dragon and a serpent. Watch out for folks trying to decieve you into thinking MEN ARE REPTILES, this is satanic in nature

wrs
28th May 2011, 07:25 AM
Lucifer is a latin term meaning light bearer, why would it show up in the OT? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone? St. Jerome made a mistranslation when he translated this passage, it is talking about an earthly king of Babylon. But of course these verses and this nonsense made up theology is pulled out by people ignorant of the origins of the Bible which includes 99.99% of Christians sitting in their pews lapping up what the pastor says.

Jesus is referred to as lucifer or light bearer in Revelation 22:10 and in 2 Peter 1:19, of course this is a small problem for literalists and people who want to make a big deal of lucifer and satan. Sorry, if you do some study of the origins of the book you claim to believe in, it just might change the way you think about a lot of things. You can choose to refuse to accept these things and of course cognitive dissonance will most likely cause you to do that but now you know.

silver solution
28th May 2011, 07:49 PM
Lucifer is a latin term meaning light bearer, why would it show up in the OT? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone? St. Jerome made a mistranslation when he translated this passage, it is talking about an earthly king of Babylon. But of course these verses and this nonsense made up theology is pulled out by people ignorant of the origins of the Bible which includes 99.99% of Christians sitting in their pews lapping up what the pastor says.

Jesus is referred to as lucifer or light bearer in Revelation 22:10 and in 2 Peter 1:19, of course this is a small problem for literalists and people who want to make a big deal of lucifer and satan. Sorry, if you do some study of the origins of the book you claim to believe in, it just might change the way you think about a lot of things. You can choose to refuse to accept these things and of course cognitive dissonance will most likely cause you to do that but now you know.


Satan was tossed out of Heaven for starting a revolt and trying to kill God. You were acting with Satan and were tossed down here onto this prison planet also.

2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer); and the dragon fought and his angels,
12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out to the earth, and his angels (you) were cast out with him.
Lucifer was tossed out of the light into the darkness.