12,000 years old unexplained structure

[midnight rambler]

pretty incredible, if you like archeology you will love this -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo0ZkgqM1TE&feature=

[mick silver]

thanks for the vid ... it pretty cool

[mick silver]

could the winds carry the sand there to cover the site ... just thinking

[Glass]

Circles inside circles. Sounds like Atlantis..... oh and they interview an Atlantis guy at about 4 mins just as I am typing this.

[Son-of-Liberty]

I have been done a little research into things like this and I am pretty sure that there were extremely advanced civilizations, possibly rivaling our own pre-flood. The reason why we usually find stone is because stone will outlast wood, metal and other man made materials which eventually are destroyed by rot, rust and oxidation. I don't trust the carbon dating because the assumption is that the environmental carbon has always been at the same levels as today. Finds like this sure destroy the conventional thinking that man progressed by evolution from knuckle dragging ape to modern man in a linear progression.

Of course like everything else we are lied to by those in power who control us by keeping the truth of who we are and where we came from, from us.

[Ponce]

I have always known, or felt, that the old is new as the new will be old and that everything that is has been as in the old days..........we are living in a recycled world where everything has repeated itself for millions of years and the truth will be known only when we find about "The First People".

Remember that the real age of the pyramids is of about 8,000 years and the Phoenix (is that how you spell it?) is of about 12,000 years........remember that the "carvings" of what appears to be of modern jet airplanes and helicopters in Egypt was found only when the plaster on a wall fell down, this alone tells me that the Egyptians were using what was already there and that they didn't built it.

Many times things are found and not recognised for what they are because we were not familiar with it or what they were used for.......remember the batterys in the Cairo museum? they were put away in a box because they thought that it was nothing more than toys and it was only when we came out with "modern" batteries that we found out what they were for.

Pyramids around the world is a very temting clue, but the big find will be in the South and North poles, 12,000 into the past is nothing but a tempting clue of what awaits us.

[crazychicken]

Facinating video

Thanks

CC

[7th trump]

There are no modern day human bones found past 14,000 years. In fact the only human like bones found past 14,000 years are primate.

14,000 years ago there was massive almost instant freeze in the artic where mammouths have been found in the artic still chewing on buttercups.
Its beleived 14,000 years ago is when lucifer revolted causing God to destroy that earth dispensation as its written in the Bible to bring this current dispensation of flesh and blood man to test who each of us are going to follow. This current dispensation will end soon (at the 7th trump) bringing back the original dispensation where the fermiment is put back into its original state and earth returns to being a paradise. There will no more be flesh animals as in the first biblical dispensation. The animals are changed where the wolf or the lion will lay down with the sheep.

[hoarder]

could the winds carry the sand there to cover the site ... just thinking
That makes a lot more sense than buying it.

[Neuro]

Its beleived 14,000 years ago is when lucifer revolted causing God to destroy that earth dispensation as its written in the Bible to bring this current dispensation of flesh and blood man to test who each of us are going to follow. This current dispensation will end soon (at the 7th trump) bringing back the original dispensation where the fermiment is put back into its original state and earth returns to being a paradise. There will no more be flesh animals as in the first biblical dispensation. The animals are changed where the wolf or the lion will lay down with the sheep.What is that belief based upon?

[Awoke]

Its beleived 14,000 years ago is when lucifer revolted causing God to destroy that earth dispensation as its written in the Bible to bring this current dispensation of flesh and blood man to test who each of us are going to follow. This current dispensation will end soon (at the 7th trump) bringing back the original dispensation where the fermiment is put back into its original state and earth returns to being a paradise. There will no more be flesh animals as in the first biblical dispensation. The animals are changed where the wolf or the lion will lay down with the sheep.What is that belief based upon?


www.shepherdschapel.com

[midnight rambler]

Check out that red suit. Dayum - apparently Pastor Murray is clueless about the influence of colors on the brain. lol red = warning or danger, as in 'this source is not trustworthy' - it's why you always see blue used as a backdrop at the WH, Pentagram, State Dept., etc., as blue conveys trustworthiness, inspires confidence

http://www.shepherdschapel.com/images/header4.jpg

[learn2swim]

So, are they still selling the whole out of Africa thing? :P

[Spectrism]

Maybe this was the city of Babel where they built the tower after the flood. The ark landed on the mounts of Ararat (in Turkey). The people gathered in one city and refused to spread out into the world. This could be the place.

[AndreaGail]

i enjoy this series on the history channel, hadn't seen this one yet

fascinating stuff indeed

thanks mr

[7th trump]

Check out that red suit. Dayum - apparently Pastor Murray is clueless about the influence of colors on the brain. lol red = warning or danger, as in 'this source is not trustworthy' - it's why you always see blue used as a backdrop at the WH, Pentagram, State Dept., etc., as blue conveys trustworthiness, inspires confidence

http://www.shepherdschapel.com/images/header4.jpg

Hahaha.......
Do you really think these old school people really care about colors. I bet your grandfather wore the same "dayum" suit.

I know for a fact you havent watched one Bible teaching from Arnold. Instead you would rather listen to second, third, fourth and fifth hand info about an 80 years old who has over 50 years experience teaching the Bible and takes up archealogical digs around the world to get to the truth.
The world is going to whore after lucifer passing himself off as the Messiah and all you can do is anything to discredit an 80 year old man for trying to reach the fold to warn them of whats around the corner.

[dys]

It's pretty tough to hunt without cover. You might want to try a new angle.

dys





Check out that red suit. Dayum - apparently Pastor Murray is clueless about the influence of colors on the brain. lol red = warning or danger, as in 'this source is not trustworthy' - it's why you always see blue used as a backdrop at the WH, Pentagram, State Dept., etc., as blue conveys trustworthiness, inspires confidence

http://www.shepherdschapel.com/images/header4.jpg

Hahaha.......
Do you really think these old school people really care about colors. I bet your grandfather wore the same "dayum" suit.

I know for a fact you havent watched one Bible teaching from Arnold. Instead you would rather listen to second, third, fourth and fifth hand info about an 80 years old who has over 50 years experience teaching the Bible and takes up archealogical digs around the world to get to the truth.
The world is going to whore after lucifer passing himself off as the Messiah and all you can do is anything to discredit an 80 year old man for trying to reach the fold to warn them of whats around the corner.

[StreetsOfGold]

12,000 years old = SPIN (aka: lies)

Pre-flood (that's noah's flood for you newbs) based on the animal carvings

[undgrd]

I love hearing about things like this. Always interesting to see what people can find out about ancient civilizations.

It's a good thing one book isn't the source of truth for most people regarding everything in the world. We'd still be living in mud huts throwing rocks at the moon.

[7th trump]

It's pretty tough to hunt without cover. You might want to try a new angle.

dys





Check out that red suit. Dayum - apparently Pastor Murray is clueless about the influence of colors on the brain. lol red = warning or danger, as in 'this source is not trustworthy' - it's why you always see blue used as a backdrop at the WH, Pentagram, State Dept., etc., as blue conveys trustworthiness, inspires confidence

http://www.shepherdschapel.com/images/header4.jpg

Hahaha.......
Do you really think these old school people really care about colors. I bet your grandfather wore the same "dayum" suit.

I know for a fact you havent watched one Bible teaching from Arnold. Instead you would rather listen to second, third, fourth and fifth hand info about an 80 years old who has over 50 years experience teaching the Bible and takes up archealogical digs around the world to get to the truth.
The world is going to whore after lucifer passing himself off as the Messiah and all you can do is anything to discredit an 80 year old man for trying to reach the fold to warn them of whats around the corner.


You never attempted to answer my question Dys.
Is there a reason?
You dont agree with dispensations, but I can show you in the Bible where God describes all three earth dispensations. Arnold call them "earth ages" but anyway they are there in the Bible sure as day.
So why is it you call God a liar?
Why do you accuse someone with no evidence Dys? Thats breaking a commandment right there!

And I'll take the experience of Arnolds of 50 years reading and teaching the Bible, archeaological digs, studying of the ancient manuscripts, researching the translations back to their original language over your what............how many years have you been reading the Bible?
I havent yet seen you even once comment on 666. He who has wisdon understands what 666 is...........................I guess you dont have any wisdom.
Oh but you have that website something-journalism.com that you promote as authority.
You are a rapturist arent you Dys.
You are one of those that tells everyone that you dont need to know what the book of Revelation says......"you are gonna be fly away!".
You havent a clue do you?
You didnt even know Christ comes at the last trumpet did you.
You dont understand that the 7th trump is Christ's returning do you?

[Awoke]

IMO, 666 is the seal of solomon.

Also, the rapture is foretold in scriptures, whether Arnold Murray likes it or not.

[Bullion_Bob]

12,000 years old = SPIN (aka: lies)

Pre-flood (that's noah's flood for you newbs) based on the animal carvings


Worse spin is trying to pretend that the earth is only a few thousand years old when we can quickly look into space and verify how literally insane people are that think it.

[midnight rambler]

Also, the rapture is foretold in scriptures, whether Arnold Murray likes it or not.


Nope, that's a Zionist construct which originated via the Scofield Bible. The notion of a 'rapture' was first broached in the Scofield Bible.

[7th trump]

IMO, 666 is the seal of solomon.

Also, the rapture is foretold in scriptures, whether Arnold Murray likes it or not.

Oh really, just where is that foretold?
I bet you have a passage but dont understand the object to know what the subject is all about and misinterpret the passage. Its classic misinterpretation handed down from the ages as gospel. God warns you about the traditions of man. I suggest you heed the warning.

If you think its the time everyone goes up to the air to meet Christ in the clouds you are smoking crack.
I'd wager you think Eve ate an apple too. The scriptures say no such thing as to Eve eating an apple nor Adam. Beware what you think you know! The traditions of man creep in alll the time.
You need to translate "air" back to its Greek language. You'll be surprised at what that passage says in the Greek.
"Air" in the Greek translates to "spiritual bodies" and cloud translates to "group" or gathering. Like a cloud of birds. When Christ returns the vail is lifted after the 7th trunmp is sounded.
All those who are dead in Christ (already passed on) are back on earth and those who are already here change in a twinkle of an eye into those same "air" bodies that those passed on are in. Bodies that dont age, get sick, or feel pain........perfect!
Theres a passage that describes the twinkle of an eye change. Its a little graphic as the flesh is described as melting off the spiritual body.

[midnight rambler]

I bet your grandfather wore the same "dayum" suit.

I know for a fact you havent watched one Bible teaching from Arnold.

Why in the world would I want to listen to him? In that crazy suit not only does he remind me of a used car salesman, he looks like the devil himself. lol

[Spectrism]

12,000 years old = SPIN (aka: lies)

Pre-flood (that's noah's flood for you newbs) based on the animal carvings


Worse spin is trying to pretend that the earth is only a few thousand years old when we can quickly look into space and verify how literally insane people are that think it.


How does looking into space give you the ability to diagnose psychosis in people?

The universe may very well have been God's playground for uncountable time. That does not preclude the earth and surrounding bodies from being created recently. If the world is more than 20,000 years old, where are all the bones? Why aren't the oceans saltier? Why is the core of the earth still hot?

The evolutionists would have you think the earth is millions of years old. It would seem easy to show evidence of that. Sadly, junk science is employed with silly presuppositions proping it up instead of facts.

[7th trump]

12,000 years old = SPIN (aka: lies)

Pre-flood (that's noah's flood for you newbs) based on the animal carvings


Worse spin is trying to pretend that the earth is only a few thousand years old when we can quickly look into space and verify how literally insane people are that think it.

You probably wont beleive it but the Bible briefly speaks of behemoths (large animals) with tails the size of cedar of lebanon. Huge tails.........DINOSAURS!
The Elephant, Rhino, and Hippo dont have huge tails, they have small little tails.
So how much faith do you have to be like a child?
You are either going to except the Word as a child or not.

[midnight rambler]

If the world is more than 20,000 years old, where are all the bones? Why aren't the oceans saltier?

Have you ever looked into Michael Cremo's Forbidden Archeology stuff where he presents some very fascinating artifacts indicating previous civilizations, not just of one era but possible of several eras*?

*not saying that the Word of God is not accurate and relative to the timeline we find ourselves in now, just sayin'

[7th trump]

I bet your grandfather wore the same "dayum" suit.

I know for a fact you havent watched one Bible teaching from Arnold.

Why in the world would I want to listen to him? In that crazy suit not only does he remind me of a used car salesman, he looks like the devil himself. lol

Because I knew you didnt listen to Arnold and that makes you a what as far as creditability goes?
You are just a gossiper of lies taken from sources with no evidence against a man of the Word.
For someone who claims to be Biblical and have read the Bible you allow satan to rule your mind and mouth.

You just discredited yourself and exposed yourself as a worker of inequity (satans little helper)

[midnight rambler]

I bet your grandfather wore the same "dayum" suit.

I know for a fact you havent watched one Bible teaching from Arnold.

Why in the world would I want to listen to him? In that crazy suit not only does he remind me of a used car salesman, he looks like the devil himself. lol

Because I knew you didnt listen to Arnold and that makes you a what as far as creditability goes?
You are just a gossiper of lies taken from sources with no evidence against a man of the Word.
For someone who claims to be Biblical and have read the Bible you allow satan to rule your mind and mouth.

You just discredited yourself and exposed yourself as a worker of inequity (satans little helper)




You're quite the entertainer - did you learn that art from Arnold? lol

[7th trump]

12,000 years old = SPIN (aka: lies)

Pre-flood (that's noah's flood for you newbs) based on the animal carvings


Worse spin is trying to pretend that the earth is only a few thousand years old when we can quickly look into space and verify how literally insane people are that think it.


How does looking into space give you the ability to diagnose psychosis in people?

The universe may very well have been God's playground for uncountable time. That does not preclude the earth and surrounding bodies from being created recently. If the world is more than 20,000 years old, where are all the bones? Why aren't the oceans saltier? Why is the core of the earth still hot?

The evolutionists would have you think the earth is millions of years old. It would seem easy to show evidence of that. Sadly, junk science is employed with silly presuppositions proping it up instead of facts.

The first earth dispensation didnt have flesh humans only flesh animals. Flesh human bones are not found predating the rebellion which Arnold with his archeology expiditions believes using the Bible to be around 14,000 years ago with the sudden freezing of the poles. Human bones are of the second dispensation which is real close to ending.

[7th trump]

I bet your grandfather wore the same "dayum" suit.

I know for a fact you havent watched one Bible teaching from Arnold.

Why in the world would I want to listen to him? In that crazy suit not only does he remind me of a used car salesman, he looks like the devil himself. lol

Because I knew you didnt listen to Arnold and that makes you a what as far as creditability goes?
You are just a gossiper of lies taken from sources with no evidence against a man of the Word.
For someone who claims to be Biblical and have read the Bible you allow satan to rule your mind and mouth.

You just discredited yourself and exposed yourself as a worker of inequity (satans little helper)




You're quite the entertainer - did you learn that art from Arnold? lol

Sucks to be you.
Liars are easily spotted. The Word itself exposes you.
It wasnt hard was it. You did all the work exposing yourself.
Give a liar enough rope they will hang themselves!

Bye Bye!

[midnight rambler]

Bye Bye!



We'll see. lol

[7th trump]

If the world is more than 20,000 years old, where are all the bones? Why aren't the oceans saltier?

Have you ever looked into Michael Cremo's Forbidden Archeology stuff where he presents some very fascinating artifacts indicating previous civilizations, not just of one era but possible of several eras*?

*not saying that the Word of God is not accurate and relative to the timeline we find ourselves in now, just sayin'

Big deal!
Arnold finds stuff from the first dispensation all the time. All it does is reinforce what God has already told us.
"Nothing new under the sun"

[midnight rambler]

If the world is more than 20,000 years old, where are all the bones? Why aren't the oceans saltier?

Have you ever looked into Michael Cremo's Forbidden Archeology stuff where he presents some very fascinating artifacts indicating previous civilizations, not just of one era but possible of several eras*?

*not saying that the Word of God is not accurate and relative to the timeline we find ourselves in now, just sayin'

Big deal!
Arnold finds stuff from the first dispensation all the time. All it does is reinforce what God has already told us.
"Nothing new under the sun"




Bye Bye!


We'll see. lol

I guess not. lol

[7th trump]

Bye Bye!



We'll see. lol

Who cares!
Your false word means nothing from this point on.
You discredited yourself as a gossiper of lies.......get it?

It must really get under your skin.......no!

[midnight rambler]

Bye Bye!



We'll see. lol

Who cares!
Your false word means nothing from this point on.
You discredited yourself as a gossiper of lies.......get it?




Bye Bye!


Well, you've established your word is no good. lol

[bellevuebully]

7th, do you not see the incredible irony in the fact that you hatefully berate others for being ignorant and accuse them of only listening to others' theories on biblical text while you yourself swallow wholly every single word and idea Murray espouses?

Awoke, realize the fact that engaging in this nature of conversation with 7th only assists him in heaping sinful actions and attitudes upon his own head. I would avoid (as I have chosen) casting any well- meaning effort into providing any opinion that he will chose to use as a springboard to display hate, disdain, anger, condescention and lovelessness. He has shown that he is not interested in discussing biblical theory, but only in maintaining his facade of enlightenment, which he adopted from Murray, not Christ.

[Book]

http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/jesus_freak.jpg

DRIVE BY SHOOTING IN THIS THREAD. HERE IS THE GANG'S CAR...

:D

[ximmy]

Oh.. god... figures 7th trump is here mouthing off again... spreading peace and good will to all...

[7th trump]

7th, do you not see the incredible irony in the fact that you hatefully berate others for being ignorant and accuse them of only listening to others' theories on biblical text while you yourself swallow wholly every single word and idea Murray espouses?

Awoke, realize the fact that engaging in this nature of conversation with 7th only assists him in heaping sinful actions and attitudes upon his own head. I would avoid (as I have chosen) casting any well- meaning effort into providing any opinion that he will chose to use as a springboard to display hate, disdain, anger, condescention and lovelessness. He has shown that he is not interested in discussing biblical theory, but only in maintaining his facade of enlightenment, which he adopted from Murray, not Christ.



Te only hate, disdain, ect comes from everyone of them.
Not one has ever listen to Arnold preach and yet they have everything to say about what hear on the internet about him.
Sorry if they dont like Arnold but he preaches word for word and looks up every word to research its true meaning and they hate him for it.
The world is going to worship satan and all you can do is ridecule a man for warning you of what you are about to do.

It wasnt me that said anything about Arnold. It was they who brought up Arnold. I do what Arnold does and just repeat what the Word has to say.

[7th trump]

Oh.. god... figures 7th trump is here mouthing off again... spreading peace and good will to all...

Ximmy you havent said anything worth reading.
No, I spread warning...warning...warning!
If you want to go to the pit then so be and let go ximmy you have no interest but to spread more lies and disdain!

[7th trump]

http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/jesus_freak.jpg

DRIVE BY SHOOTING IN THIS THREAD. HERE IS THE GANG'S CAR...

:D

Hahaha.......thats funny Book.......drive by!
Lol...... and I'm not being sarcastic!

[Book]

... spreading peace and good will to all...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHh9ywmo5AE

Is he a God Warrior?

:)

[7th trump]

7th, do you not see the incredible irony in the fact that you hatefully berate others for being ignorant and accuse them of only listening to others' theories on biblical text while you yourself swallow wholly every single word and idea Murray espouses?

Awoke, realize the fact that engaging in this nature of conversation with 7th only assists him in heaping sinful actions and attitudes upon his own head. I would avoid (as I have chosen) casting any well- meaning effort into providing any opinion that he will chose to use as a springboard to display hate, disdain, anger, condescention and lovelessness. He has shown that he is not interested in discussing biblical theory, but only in maintaining his facade of enlightenment, which he adopted from Murray, not Christ.



You are right Belle.......I dont like to talk about "biblical theory"!
You do but I dont.
You see belle Arnold does what you refuse to do and that is due diligence.

[osoab]

The Joos put it there just to mess with everyone. ;D :lol

[midnight rambler]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQsguZVICC19KnNerclo2tuYGyLeX4fW Z51I6uJ7Hjwi2pTFWtlng&t=1

[7th trump]

Bye Bye!



We'll see. lol

Who cares!
Your false word means nothing from this point on.
You discredited yourself as a gossiper of lies.......get it?




Bye Bye!


Well, you've established your word is no good. lol

You cant stop being a liar can you.

[7th trump]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQsguZVICC19KnNerclo2tuYGyLeX4fW Z51I6uJ7Hjwi2pTFWtlng&t=1

Nice diversion!
Anything to get back that creditability right Sukhoi fan?

[midnight rambler]

Bye Bye!



We'll see. lol

Who cares!
Your false word means nothing from this point on.
You discredited yourself as a gossiper of lies.......get it?




Bye Bye!


Well, you've established your word is no good. lol

You cant stop being a liar can you.


You were the one who posted "Bye bye" and then persisted in posted on this thread addressing me in particular, so you're the one who has established your word is no good, all I did was point it out.

[Spectrism]

From his website.



Michael Cremo is on the cutting edge of science and culture issues. (What does that mean?) In the course of a few month's time he might be found on pilgrimage to sacred sites in India, (he respects Indian religion) appearing on a national television show, lecturing at a mainstream science conference, or speaking to an alternative science gathering. As he crosses disciplinary and cultural boundaries,(he makes things up as he goes along... kinda like a liar) he presents to his various audiences a compelling case for negotiating a new consensus on the nature of reality. (So... reality is not real, but he will redefine it for you.)

If you are not getting warning flags yet, read on.


Michael Cremo is a member of the History of Science Society, the World Archeological Congress, the Philosophy of Science Association, the European Association of Archaeologists and associate member of the Bhaktivedanta Institute specializing in history and philosophy of science.

Now I have not looked up these organizations, but SCIENCE is NOT a philosophy unless you want to really make it a new religion.








Biodata for Michael A. Cremo

The soul that I am entered its present body at the moment I was conceived in the fall of 1947. I appeared from my mother's womb on July 15, 1948, in Schenectady, New York. That birth was probably one of millions I have experienced since I left my real home in the spiritual world. My mother tells me that when I was an infant, she would give me alphabet soup, and sometimes I would not eat it, but would just spell out words in the bowl. From that, I take it that I must have practiced writing in many previous existences. In this life, I recall always having wanted to be a writer.

Yeah sure... reincarnated. This guy is a loonbird.



"From the very beginning, my life has been a spiritual quest for love and truth.

Sadly, he settled for whatever came along instead of testing veracity.



My father served as an American Intelligence Officer for the United States Air Force, and from that time my life was one of periodic change and travel. I went to high school at an American school in Germany and spent my vacations traveling all over Europe. Once, in the spring of 1965, in a youth hostel in Stockholm, I met some kids who had been to India and back, traveling overland. I decided I would someday do the same thing. I also became deeply interested in Eastern philosophy, particularly Indian esoteric teachings. I kept travel diaries, wrote poetry, and tried my hand at autobiographical short fiction.

So, in his impressionable years, he learned to think that anything from India was real cool. He spent the rest of his life taking this eastern philosophy and trying to wrap it in science.



"During my last year of high school in St. Petersburg, Florida, I took a creative writing course.

And we see the result.



The next year I entered George Washington University. Over the next two years, I became immersed in the counterculture and gradually gave up my plans to enter government service. I continued my investigations into Eastern philosophy and esoteric spiritual teachings.

Rebellion for the sake of rebellion is a fool's game.



"In 1968 I left college and went to Europe on a voyage of self-discovery. I took a boat from Haifa to Istanbul, where the pull toward the East was so strong that I found myself heading overland to India. I got as far as Tehran, lost my nerve, and turned back.

This guy is easy to psychoanalyze. A very weak character.



"After carefully studying the Bhagavad-gita, a gift of some Hare Krishna people at a Grateful Dead concert, I decided that I should absorb myself in the yoga of devotion to the mysterious Lord Krishna. Later I moved to Los Angeles to join the staff of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, and to write for the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust (BBT). By 1980 I was regarded as an accomplished writer. To date, the books written and edited by myself and other BBT staff have sold more than ten million copies and have been translated into many languages.

I wouldn't trust a thing this guy writes. He is demon-owned.



"With Dr. Richard L. Thompson, a founding member of the Bhaktivedanta Institute, I began a series of books aimed at both scholarly and popular audiences. The first to be published was Forbidden Archeology: The Hidden History of the Human Race. This book shows that archaeologists and anthropologists, over the past one hundred and fifty years, have accumulated vast amounts of evidence showing that humans like ourselves have existed on this planet for tens of millions of years. We show how this evidence has been suppressed, ignored, and forgotten because it contradicts generally-held ideas about human evolution." "In lecture presentations on Forbidden Archeology to scientific and lay audiences around the world I see a new consciousness emerging that integrates science and religion into a cohesive paradigm of reality."

This guy is a lying money grubber.

[Awoke]

Here is the one you are refering to, 7th Trump:




[15] For the Lord himself shall come down from heaven with commandment, and with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God: and the dead who are in Christ, shall rise first.

[16] Then we who are alive, who are left, shall be taken up together with them in the clouds to meet Christ, into the air, and so shall we be always with the Lord. [17] Wherefore, comfort ye one another with these words.



There are more, but as Bellevue pointed out, I am wasting my time engaging in dialogue with you.





[36] But of that day and hour no one knoweth, not the angels of heaven, but the Father alone. [37] And as in the days of Noe, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. [38] For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, even till that day in which Noe entered into the ark, [39] And they knew not till the flood came, and took them all away; so also shall the coming of the Son of man be. [40] Then two shall be in the field: one shall be taken, and one shall be left.

[41] Two women shall be grinding at the mill: one shall be taken, and one shall be left. [42] Watch ye therefore, because ye know not what hour your Lord will come. [43] But know this ye, that if the goodman of the house knew at what hour the thief would come, he would certainly watch, and would not suffer his house to be broken open. [44] Wherefore be you also ready, because at what hour you know not the Son of man will come. [45] Who, thinkest thou, is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath appointed over his family, to give them meat in season.

[midnight rambler]

In the course of a few month's time he might be found on pilgrimage to sacred sites in India, (he respects Indian religion, no, more like respects other cultures as it is *sacred* to the indigs) ...he presents to his various audiences a compelling case for negotiating a new consensus on the nature of reality. (So... reality is not real, but he will redefine it for you. - no, reality IS an illusion (you proved that yourself with your airport episode, which I think was well done) and you do not need anyone else defining it for you - I don't study Michael Cremo, I have only seen some of the things he's uncovered, actual artifacts, and what he's brought to light is very interesting for sure)


Yeah sure... reincarnated. This guy is a loonbird.

So Spectrism, what's your take on this youngster?? Was he possessed by demons as a toddler and young child (by him saying that he lived another life prior to this one)??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-OApQ_iXvw&feature=related

[ximmy]

Oh.. god... figures 7th trump is here mouthing off again... spreading peace and good will to all...

Ximmy you havent said anything worth reading.
No, I spread warning...warning...warning!
If you want to go to the pit then so be and let go ximmy you have no interest but to spread more lies and disdain!


I was joking (not lying) about you spreading peace and good will to all... everybody here knows you spread hate, discord, anger, rage, division, & every opposite fruit of the spirit... Now I am telling the truth...

[7th trump]

Bye Bye!



We'll see. lol

Who cares!
Your false word means nothing from this point on.
You discredited yourself as a gossiper of lies.......get it?




Bye Bye!


Well, you've established your word is no good. lol

You cant stop being a liar can you.


You were the one who posted "Bye bye" and then persisted in posted on this thread addressing me in particular, so you're the one who has established your word is no good, all I did was point it out.

Bye Bye was to say your word is worthless.

[7th trump]

Oh.. god... figures 7th trump is here mouthing off again... spreading peace and good will to all...

Ximmy you havent said anything worth reading.
No, I spread warning...warning...warning!
If you want to go to the pit then so be and let go ximmy you have no interest but to spread more lies and disdain!


I was joking (not lying) about you spreading peace and good will to all... everybody here knows you spread hate, discord, anger, rage, division, & every opposite fruit of the spirit... Now I am telling the truth...

You just dont get it do you ximmy

[midnight rambler]

Bye Bye was to say your word is worthless.

In what language?? lol

[Awoke]

http://sites.google.com/site/blogsandcriticalthinking/_/rsrc/1260323949926/home/The-Foundation-of-an-Argument/Kids%20arguing.jpg

[uncletonoose]

Bye Bye!



We'll see. lol

Who cares!
Your false word means nothing from this point on.
You discredited yourself as a gossiper of lies.......get it?




Bye Bye!


Well, you've established your word is no good. lol

You cant stop being a liar can you.


You were the one who posted "Bye bye" and then persisted in posted on this thread addressing me in particular, so you're the one who has established your word is no good, all I did was point it out.

Bye Bye was to say your word is worthless.

[Gaillo]

...You are just a gossiper of lies taken from sources with no evidence against a man of the Word.
For someone who claims to be Biblical and have read the Bible you allow satan to rule your mind and mouth.

You just discredited yourself and exposed yourself as a worker of inequity (satans little helper)


You cant stop being a liar can you.


Sucks to be you.
Liars are easily spotted. The Word itself exposes you.
It wasnt hard was it. You did all the work exposing yourself.
Give a liar enough rope they will hang themselves!

Bye Bye!

Nope. Try again... thanks for playing.

7th trump - you know better than that. I've overlooked quite a few heated insults you've been slinging the last few days, but this batch crosses the line. This is not your first time around, you got a week last time, so this time let's make it two.

Bye bye.

[bellevuebully]

What were we talk'n about again?..... :ROFL:

[Spectrism]

In the course of a few month's time he might be found on pilgrimage to sacred sites in India, (he respects Indian religion, no, more like respects other cultures as it is *sacred* to the indigs) ...he presents to his various audiences a compelling case for negotiating a new consensus on the nature of reality. (So... reality is not real, but he will redefine it for you. - no, reality IS an illusion (you proved that yourself with your airport episode, which I think was well done) and you do not need anyone else defining it for you - I don't study Michael Cremo, I have only seen some of the things he's uncovered, actual artifacts, and what he's brought to light is very interesting for sure)


Yeah sure... reincarnated. This guy is a loonbird.

So Spectrism, what's your take on this youngster?? Was he possessed by demons as a toddler and young child (by him saying that he lived another life prior to this one)??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-OApQ_iXvw&feature=related


I watched that vid a while back. There are things we cannot see from just the vid. The boy was "handled".

Regarding the author who SELLS books and pretends to be an archaeologist, he has not credibility. We don't make reality. We experience reality and modify it. Our experience imputes effects and this conglomerate is subject to human choice. But we are more subject to the effects of reality and our time is limited.

[ximmy]

... spreading peace and good will to all...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHh9ywmo5AE

Is he a God Warrior?

:)


I watched the video... look at the damage she is doing to her own family... I would not wish that on anybody... :-[

[uncletonoose]

She Is Darksided

[uncletonoose]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl3fdkbjdCA

[Book]

... look at the damage she is doing to her own family...



Look at the damage to this thread.

:)

[sirgonzo420]

... look at the damage she is doing to her own family...



Look at the damage to this thread.

:)


Makes me wanna go to "Jesus Camp" :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac

[mick silver]

i knew this was coming . i said a few post back go to your rooms kids

[ximmy]

... look at the damage she is doing to her own family...



Look at the damage to this thread.

:)


Makes me wanna go to "Jesus Camp" :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac



I can't watch that... :boohoo :boohoo :boohoo

[Ponce]

I have noticed that some of you like to break in with religion most of the time.......knock it off or take it to the religion page.

[Spectrism]

I have noticed that some of you like to break in with religion most of the time.......knock it off or take it to the religion page.


Oh come on! Admit that you wear a toilet paper turban and bow to the thrown of the great toilet paper devourer. You know you do. We got yer number. You are probably the one causing the brown dwarf too.

[bellevuebully]

I have noticed that some of you like to break in with religion most of the time.......knock it off or take it to the religion page.


This forum has been built around the respect of being able to openly discuss topics from all points of view, whether they be social, political, spiritual or opinion (or any other), as long as the topic at hand is generally adhered to?

Am I missing something Ponce?

[Ponce]

Yeah, you forgot to mention tp.......I won't forgive you for that :oo-->

[bellevuebully]

Yeah, you forgot to mention tp.......I won't forgive you for that :oo-->


Is that sarcasm, humour, a flippant shot, or just a way of avoiding what I asked you? Just curious because I honestly can't tell with the rolley eyes and all. If you don't want the odd tp poke for fun, just say so. I have no intention of offending you over something so silly. I just think the idea of your alleged tp hoard is comical.

Let me know, and if your interested, address my question. ;)

[Ponce]

One more time........if you, or anyone else, wants to talk religion you should then take that CRAP to the religion section....... entiendes?

[Gaillo]

One more time........if you, or anyone else, wants to talk religion you should then take that CRAP to the religion section....... entiendes?


Wrong-o, buddy. There's nothing in the rules saying you can't talk about religion in the other forum areas... just a rule about staying on-topic, which is rarely enforced. 7th trump was banned for personal attacks, not for discussing religion in a thread about a 12,000 year old ruin... an archeological find that understandably fits in with his biblical view of reality.

I don't agree with most of what 7th trump posts on this forum, but I will defend his right to speak his mind as he sees fit... so long as he is not attacking other forum members like he did in this thread.

[bellevuebully]

One more time........if you, or anyone else, wants to talk religion you should then take that CRAP to the religion section....... entiendes?


Wrong-o, buddy. There's nothing in the rules saying you can't talk about religion in the other forum areas... just a rule about staying on-topic, which is rarely enforced. 7th trump was banned for personal attacks, not for discussing religion in a thread about a 12,000 year old ruin... an archeological find that understandably fits in with his biblical view of reality.

I don't agree with most of what 7th trump posts on this forum, but I will defend his right to speak his mind as he sees fit... so long as he is not attacking other forum members like he did in this thread.


Thanks for that input Gaillo. One of the things that makes this a great forum is that as a community we exercise the freedom to, as I mentioned above, discuss topics from different points of view. Understanding that you, as a mod here, don't necessarily hold the point of view that some here might, namely being that of a biblical point of view, it impresses upon me even more the unbias and balanced approach you personally take in directing the traffic here. So for that, I applaud you, as should we all. We've been down that other road before, and that is why we are here. It gives the forum a 3 dimensional appeal, a microcosm of the real world and allows us to discuss topics as we encounter them in the real world, dissenting views and all.

[bellevuebully]

One more time........if you, or anyone else, wants to talk religion you should then take that CRAP to the religion section....... entiendes?


Ponce, I have no problem with your pov on things. But I would expect you, having come from Cuba, to appreciate the freedom to express opinion without being censored more than most here.

Btw, I thanked you by mistake. No slight, just a fact.

[Book]

One more time........if you, or anyone else, wants to talk religion you should then take that CRAP to the religion section...



Wrong-o, buddy. There's nothing in the rules saying you can't talk about religion in the other forum areas... just a rule about staying on-topic, which is rarely enforced.



http://image02.webshots.com/2/5/62/40/164256240tSNhyd_ph.jpg

Exactly.

:)

[zap]

... look at the damage she is doing to her own family...



Look at the damage to this thread.

:)


Makes me wanna go to "Jesus Camp" :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac



I can't watch that... :boohoo :boohoo :boohoo


This video makes me sick and I can't watch it either, this brain washing is exactly why I don't attend church, granted I believe in god but this is sick.

[VX1]

One more time........if you, or anyone else, wants to talk religion you should then take that CRAP to the religion section....... entiendes?


Wrong-o, buddy. There's nothing in the rules saying you can't talk about religion in the other forum areas... just a rule about staying on-topic, which is rarely enforced. 7th trump was banned for personal attacks, not for discussing religion in a thread about a 12,000 year old ruin... an archeological find that understandably fits in with his biblical view of reality.

I don't agree with most of what 7th trump posts on this forum, but I will defend his right to speak his mind as he sees fit... so long as he is not attacking other forum members like he did in this thread.


I also support the freedom of people to say what they want, but, where the hell is the "ignore" feature? Does this forum software not have that ability?

[bellevuebully]

Back to the op.

Definitely a very interesting find.

I do have a couple of curiousities about the presentation though. When she mentioned carbon dating, what exactly were they carbon dating?? The rock material? What would that show exactly?

One can find themselves being absorbed into the presentation because of the incredible nature of the find, without being objective to the great deal of conjecture being implied.

I'm not an expert on carbon dating by any means, but if someone here is, can you throw out some info on how carbon dating the sand/rock in the area could imply when something like this would have been developed?

[Ponce]

Thanks for the input Gaillo.........I guess that we have to take the good with the crap.....upsssssss, I mean with the bad.....................after all, I am here hahahahahahahahahahahaah

But still, no reason to turn everything into religion as I do with tp.......hummmmmmmm I guess that tp is MY religion, right?......better something that you can see, as tp, that something invented and invicible like religion.

Yeah, you guys stick with your religion and me with my tp ;D

[bellevuebully]

I just viewed the Jesus camp vid. I made about 37 seconds. Had to shut it off.

I have kids. Like anyone else, I tell them what I believe is truth. And like I would with anyone else, I share the gospel with them, like I would any other good news.

But I realize that man's words do not a genuine faith in Christ make. As scripture puts it, 'it is not by man that this has been revealed to you, but by God.'

I have greater trust in my Lord Jesus Christ to reveal to my children how much he loves them than I do in my own words to express such truth. For as much as I love my children, I know he loves them infinitely more.

[bellevuebully]

Thanks for the input Gaillo.........I guess that we have to take the good with the crap.....upsssssss, I mean with the bad.....................after all, I am here hahahahahahahahahahahaah

But still, no reason to turn everything into religion as I do with tp.......hummmmmmmm I guess that tp is MY religion, right?......better something that you can see, as tp, that something invented and invicible like religion.

Yeah, you guys stick with your religion and me with my tp ;D


That thanks was not a mistake. Well done mate.

We all have our moments when our best does not shine, but it takes a man to admit when he is wrong.

[Ponce]

Hey bully? do you really think that you are getting more brownies points if you talk about Jesus and God all the time?............I for one believe that Jesus could had been a real man and a good man but not THE SON OF GOD..............we create our own God's and saints and then placed them on a pedestal and pray to them.................. usually for something........God, God, God I am a good man therefore grant me this or that...................we blame God when something is good and then cursed him when something goes wrong, he, she or it could care less what you think of him, as I do, of anyone.

"May The Force Be With You"........Star Wars.

Hey bully? I sure hope as hell that when you say about being wrong that you are not talking about me...How the hell can God Jr in training make mistakes?

[bellevuebully]

.we create our own God's and saints and then placed them on a pedestal and pray to them.................. usually for something........God, God, God I am a good man therefore grant me this or that...................we blame God when something is good and then cursed him when something goes wrong, he, she or it could care less what you think of him



If the above is a description of how you relate to God, maybe that is why you don't sense him in your life.

Best to you Ponce. All I can say I guess is learn to ignore the posts that trouble you.

[Ponce]

By your words I can see that you rather hide than to talk about it.....come on now, I am a sinner and you are supposed to convert me to your momble jumble, or what ever you call it.

I for one don't have to relate to God because that's not the way that the one that you call God works, the one that you call God is already withing all of us and all that we have to do is to acknowledge that fact and be happy about it.........why do you think that I have fun here with all of you? how come I am not hiding from you?, you want religion? I'll give it to you but I don't have to quote the Bible, a book that was invented by the Jews and which in reality is a book with the stories of many thing that went on wayyyyyyyy before there was even one Jew.......there are many books missing from the Bible which was not even started till Jesus was dead for 87 years and which has been changed many times.

[bellevuebully]

By your words I can see that you rather hide than to talk about it.....come on now, I am a sinner and you are supposed to convert me to your momble jumble, or what ever you call it.



I can see by yours that your intention is not to discuss, but to insult, so thanks but no thanks for the offer.

btw....have I ever insulted you, or your beliefs?

[bellevuebully]

Back to the op.

Definitely a very interesting find.

I do have a couple of curiousities about the presentation though. When she mentioned carbon dating, what exactly were they carbon dating?? The rock material? What would that show exactly?

One can find themselves being absorbed into the presentation because of the incredible nature of the find, without being objective to the great deal of conjecture being implied.

I'm not an expert on carbon dating by any means, but if someone here is, can you throw out some info on how carbon dating the sand/rock in the area could imply when something like this would have been developed?



Bumping. I'd like to find out more about this if anyone is familiar with this issue. tia

[Awoke]

All I know about it is that they use the breakdown of radioactivity in carbon to giv e atimeline of age, based on the half-life of that specific carbon, or somethng to that effect.

I remember reading some articles that asserted tha carbon dating is not accurate. In fact, I believe the articles stated that carbon dating is extremely flawed.

[Ponce]

If to discuss the origin of the Bible with you is to insult you it only means that you are set in your ways and that you are willing, like Abraham, to sacrifice your children for the one that you pray to....let it be so...
by the way I spent 7 years of my life as a intern in a Catholic school and I am happy to say that I never got brain washed..................................even when kneeling on grains of rice for falling asleep in church..good luck amigo.

[Awoke]

If to discuss the origin of the Bible with you is to insult you it only means that you are set in your ways and that you are willing, like Abraham, to sacrifice your children for the one that you pray to....let it be so...
by the way I spent 7 years of my life as a intern in a Catholic school and I am happy to say that I never got brain washed..................................even when kneeling on grains of rice for falling asleep in church..good luck amigo.


Ponce, first you told him (and the rest of us Christians) to shut-up about religion, and now you won't stop talking about it.
If you want to argue, fine, but don't pretend that you don't.

Just because you spent 7 years in an environment which was run by PEOPLE who may not have acted out of love, does not negate the power of Christ. Jesus would never make you kneel on rice. Those teachers are not the Christ.

I've said this before, I'll say it again: You may not believe in Jesus, but the conspirators do.
You may want to humble yourself and open your heart before your day comes. This life is very temporary.

[Spectrism]

If you date carbon, you will have a black face.

Carbon dating only works for previously living things that ingested or breathed CO2 and took in doses of carbon14. And, it is only good for those years that we have a reference against which to compare C14 amounts. That gives us only 6000 years of valid data. Anyone claiming to use carbon dating for rock (non-living ever) or things prior to 6000 years ago, is not working from science.

[Ponce]

Awoke? thanks for the input amigo.......I am doing this FOR ONLY ONE REASON, to show you guys how boring and stupid it can become................what's more, from now on when ever I see anyone talking about religion in this section I will chime in my two cents and if that kills the thread then let it be so.....like Gaillo said "Anyone can talk about anything" therefore I am free to do so.

[Spectrism]

Awoke? thanks for the input amigo.......I am doing this FOR ONLY ONE REASON, to show you guys how boring and stupid it can become................what's more, from now on when ever I see anyone talking about religion in this section I will chime in my two cents and if that kills the thread then let it be so.....like Gaillo said "Anyone can talk about anything" therefore I am free to do so.


Ponce, you have little time left in this world. We all do. What works in this world is not necessarily what works in the next. If you think there is no next... then what does any of this matter?

This thread is about something UNEXPLAINED. We look for explanations. We grapple with the facts and inject conjecture, hoping to have some reasonable understanding. Sometimes we have been down roads of reasoning before and know where they lead. Some of those roads had roadblocks, traffic jams or detours. We may not have gotten down far enough before we got tired of walking that road or we got distracted by other travellers, side roads or events in our own lives.

It seems that you have been down a road in part and have decided that road is a waste of time.

I can tell you that the road you went down is not the road that you keep posting detour signs over.

[bellevuebully]

If you date carbon, you will have a black face.

Carbon dating only works for previously living things that ingested or breathed CO2 and took in doses of carbon14. And, it is only good for those years that we have a reference against which to compare C14 amounts. That gives us only 6000 years of valid data. Anyone claiming to use carbon dating for rock (non-living ever) or things prior to 6000 years ago, is not working from science.


Thanks Spec....like I said, I don't particularily know anything about c/d, but it struck me as odd that carbon dating rock could lead to speculation about the timeframe of a development. If I build a patio out of limestone today, is the patio thousands of years old? lol

I would like to learn a little more though, because I also recently watched a show about something similar and they were going to c/d some articles ( I think it was a skull), and they were saying "I hope that there is carbon left in the specimen so that we can get a good idea of the age". I was thinking to myself...if carbon content changes over time, it's quite the moving target.....how can it be a valid measure?

I'm going to do a little reading on it anyhow...it is an interesting topic, especially in light of how much stock seems to be put into the findings. I'm starting to suspect it is much like many other findings....they are always accurate if you can juggle the variables, lol.

[bellevuebully]

Awoke? thanks for the input amigo.......I am doing this FOR ONLY ONE REASON, to show you guys how boring and stupid it can become................what's more, from now on when ever I see anyone talking about religion in this section I will chime in my two cents and if that kills the thread then let it be so.....like Gaillo said "Anyone can talk about anything" therefore I am free to do so.


Again, as Awoke pointed out, you are saying one thing and doing another. You say you are doing it to show us something but then you point out it is to be vindictive. Ponce, you're too long in the tooth for such childish games. How about just doing as you said earlier.....be happy and enjoy the forum. Nobody here has anything against you. Getting riled up is only being a detriment to your own well being.

[bellevuebully]

How about we say enough of this and respect the op also? It is a good thread topic, and shouldn't be wasted or derailed.

[Spectrism]

This will give you some technicalities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating

Essentially, the radioactive form- carbon14 degrades into carbon12. If there is no carbon14 left, then they would surmise that it is so old that there is no radioactive carbon left.... it all degraded to a stable carbon12.

The problem with this is the presumption of initial carbon14 content and the constancy of degradation. Science requires observable and repeatable events. We cannot observe or repeat history.

[sirgonzo420]

This will give you some technicalities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating

Essentially, the radioactive form- carbon14 degrades into carbon12. If there is no carbon14 left, then they would surmise that it is so old that there is no radioactive carbon left.... it all degraded to a stable carbon12.

The problem with this is the presumption of initial carbon14 content and the constancy of degradation. Science requires observable and repeatable events. We cannot observe or repeat history.


we do it all the time


lol


if history doesn't "repeat", it certainly does "rhyme"!

[Spectrism]

This will give you some technicalities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating

Essentially, the radioactive form- carbon14 degrades into carbon12. If there is no carbon14 left, then they would surmise that it is so old that there is no radioactive carbon left.... it all degraded to a stable carbon12.

The problem with this is the presumption of initial carbon14 content and the constancy of degradation. Science requires observable and repeatable events. We cannot observe or repeat history.


we do it all the time


lol


if history doesn't "repeat", it certainly does "rhyme"!


Yeah- I know what you mean. But it is really only the PATTERN we repeat, not the history itself. We are different names, faces & souls doing many of the same stupid things done hundreds of years ago.

For example, can you repeat the battle of Waterloo with precise accuracy down to each projectile trajectory, impact and individual personal movements/ words/thoughts/etc?

[Ponce]

Spect? maybe it is because to me what is going on is like a book that I have already read?........I don't guide myself by what I "know" but rather by what I "feel" and that's why I am still alive today.

As far as having a little time on this Earth?......well, unless I get killed I will live to be at least 132 years old, I am to busy and having to much fun to be burried anytime soon........April 2 I'll be 71 so that I still have a long way to go........I don't plan for tomorrow but rather for the day after tomorrow....if you only plan for tomorrow to me that means that you think that you will die tomorrow.

Sirgonzo?........you got it, you hit it right on the head.........the pattern is always there, if you can see it.

[Ponce]

After Adam separated from Eve he went with another woman......I forgot her name.

[Spectrism]

I'd wager you think Eve ate an apple too. The scriptures say no such thing as to Eve eating an apple nor Adam. Beware what you think you know! The traditions of man creep in alll the time. What is it that Eve did, as opposed to eating an apple?


First, she embellished on the command. The command was to not eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good & evil. She talked with the serpent (another mistake) and said the command was not even to touch the fruit. Then she believed the serpent and did not believe God. She ate from the fruit of that tree.

Knowledge of good & evil is a step beyond living good. It is a loss of innocence. It is the experience of evil. Once dirtied, you are never pure again. This means separation from God who will not tolerate evil. This world had to be made a separate kingdom outside of the kingdom of God.

[Awoke]

While carbon dating continues to be considered by many as a viable way of obtaining authoritative dates for a wide range of artifacts and remains, there is much room for error in the process. Even the use of accelerator mass spectrometry to analyze the relative levels of carbon and radioactive carbon has resulted in flawed determinations. It is not uncommon for different laboratories to determine quite different ages for the same artifact! While some of this deviation could possibly be explained by contamination or erred methodology in the labs themselves, it is apparent that the problems with carbon dating are much more complex than that.


Very simply put, too many things are unknown to allow the carbon dating process to be as accurate as many proclaim it to be. Factors as diverse as changes in the earth's magnetic field and changes in the amount of carbon available to organisms in times past could translate into perceivable differences in the carbon ratios in artifacts and remains from ancient times. Even changes in the atmosphere itself could impact this carbon ratio. We know that changes such as these have occurred over time. They are still occurring today in fact.


The fact that carbon and radioactive carbon are independently formed means that their ratios to one another could have changed substantially from ancient times to today. To base our knowledge on the age of the earth and its various constituents on information gleaned from a technique that depends on carbon and radioactive carbon ratios is very simply unrealistic.



More at link:
http://www.essortment.com/carbon-dating-accuracy-flaws-carbon-dating-37183.html

[sirgonzo420]

I'd wager you think Eve ate an apple too. The scriptures say no such thing as to Eve eating an apple nor Adam. Beware what you think you know! The traditions of man creep in alll the time. What is it that Eve did, as opposed to eating an apple?


She ate of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, after being tempted by a "serpent/shaman/enchanter" (nachash נחש in hebrew).

God told Adam not to eat from that Tree, and so Adam told Eve not to eat from it, and not to even touch it.

According to kabbalists, the "nachash" (serpent/enchanter/whatever) nudged Eve into the Tree, so that she touched it.

Once she touched the Tree and didn't die (as Adam implied she would), it was easier for her to be tempted to eat of the fruit.

Kabbalists, instead of placing much of the blame on Eve for eating the fruit (as is the tradition generally in christianity), blame Adam for modifying (making stricter) God's Law. They say that the "nachash" used Eve's desire to be closer to God to trick her into eating the fruit.


Here's an article about the "nachash":

http://www.scribd.com/doc/8967470/Who-and-What-is-NACHASH

[Ponce]

It was not an apple.......it was something like a plumb, there is no apples in the area.

[keehah]

Its not all about Eve. Think Lilith.

[Ponce]

Question, does the Bible says "apple"..............NO.

[RJB]

Ponce, sometimes you remind me of Gold Duck trying to write with a spanish accent. ;D

[sirgonzo420]

Trivial.


SIDENOTE:
I'd like to point out that, while I have not been around these parts much lately, I certainly don't remember 7th putting up such a fuss on GiM as he has done here in this thread. I seem to recall a very respectable poster eager to help on issues law related and never saw anything like this in those years.


7th trump does post a lot about law and taxes, but his username is inherently religious: "7th trump" (referring to the trumpets in Revelation).

[Son-of-Liberty]

This will give you some technicalities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating

Essentially, the radioactive form- carbon14 degrades into carbon12. If there is no carbon14 left, then they would surmise that it is so old that there is no radioactive carbon left.... it all degraded to a stable carbon12.

The problem with this is the presumption of initial carbon14 content and the constancy of degradation. Science requires observable and repeatable events. We cannot observe or repeat history.


That is my problem with the carbon dating as well. It is dependent on several assumptions, one of which is that there has always been the same amount of carbon 14 in the atmosphere. This is uniformitariansm, which is the basis of evolution. It is the assumption that processes we observe today have been going on at the same rate they are now since the beginning of time. Funny thing is that when creationists use uniformitarianism to disprove the conventional thinking that the earth is billions of years old we are told not to assume that the rates of certain processes we see to today have always been going at the same rate.

Found a website that seems to discuss this in a fairly logical manner with references to scientific journals and other sources.

http://english.sdaglobal.org/research/dating.htm

[Ponce]

Ponce, sometimes you remind me of Gold Duck trying to write with a spanish accent. ;D


Well, what do you want from me? I am Spanish.......It is harder for me to keep my Spanish accent (after 58 years) than to blend with the people of this land........however, it does not mean that I am "proud" of being Spanish no more than I am proud of being American because in neither case did I have a choice.

[Low Pan]

If the world is more than 20,000 years old, where are all the bones? Why aren't the oceans saltier?

Have you ever looked into Michael Cremo's Forbidden Archeology stuff where he presents some very fascinating artifacts indicating previous civilizations, not just of one era but possible of several eras*?

*not saying that the Word of God is not accurate and relative to the timeline we find ourselves in now, just sayin'


I actually own this book, good book. Anoth note, yet anoth hijacked thread :-\

[RJB]

Well, what do you want from me? I am Spanish.......It is harder for me to keep my Spanish accent (after 58 years) than to blend with the people of this land........however, it does not mean that I am "proud" of being Spanish no more than I am proud of being American because in neither case did I have a choice.
Please take no offense. Your sentence structure and topics just reminded me of GOLD DUCK from GIM1.

[Errosion Of Accord]

Grahm Hancock was the second guy interviewed in the video. For those of you who think civilization started no more than 5000 years ago I suggest that you check out his book named "Fingerprints of the Gods". http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=graham+hancock+books&tag=googhydr-20&index=stripbooks&hvadid=3318479955&ref=pd_sl_89hplnh9l_e
I found his take on the world very interesting and this new found city gives him even more credit IMHO. In order for artisans to have the time and energy to carve and construct such cities agriculture is a necessity because without agriculture there is no way in hell that the people who created that city would have had the time or energy to make it happen.

[Spectrism]

Grahm Hancock was the second guy interviewed in the video. For those of you who think civilization started no more than 5000 years ago I suggest that you check out his book named "Fingerprints of the Gods". http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=graham+hancock+books&tag=googhydr-20&index=stripbooks&hvadid=3318479955&ref=pd_sl_89hplnh9l_e
I found his take on the world very interesting and this new found city gives him even more credit IMHO. In order for artisans to have the time and energy to carve and construct such cities agriculture is a necessity because without agriculture there is no way in hell that the people who created that city would have had the time or energy to make it happen.


Its been a while that I read through the entire thread, but I don't recall anyone putting a 5000 year limit on civilization. 7,000-12,000 sounds like a possibility. Consider the force required to completely bury cities like this. A great flood that covered the highest mountains of the world could do this. There will not be another world-wide flood like that one, but we are quickly heading to calamities of that proportion.

Since none of us will go out and buy that book, what was so great in it that you recall?

[Errosion Of Accord]

Your loss if you don't buy it, and I doubt you speak for everyone here. A wise man knows what he doesn't know, keep an open mind. It beats the hell out of the Egyptologist theories. Much of what he writes is based on the earths precession and how ancient structures were once aligned with stars and solstices, along with ancient writings. You have the innerwebs, dyodd.

[Spectrism]

Your loss if you don't buy it, and I doubt you speak for everyone here. A wise man knows what he doesn't know, keep an open mind. It beats the hell out of the Egyptologist theories. Much of what he writes is based on the earths precession and how ancient structures were once aligned with stars and solstices, along with ancient writings. You have the innerwebs, dyodd.


You have not sold the book and I don't buy things so that I can THEN know what I bought. Likewise, I would not vote on a secret bill so that I can know what the bill says.

A wise man does not know what he does not know, but he holds fast to what he does know. An open mind without guards is like an open window in an old abandoned house. It lets birds, bats, rain and dust blow into the house as well as fresh air.

[Errosion Of Accord]

I don't come here to sell books. Have a wonderful life.

[Ponce]

Many surprises will come to be where the old is new and the new is old and where what is to be will also be the old.......we came from the past and to the past we will go back to.

[Low Pan]

Grahm Hancock was the second guy interviewed in the video. For those of you who think civilization started no more than 5000 years ago I suggest that you check out his book named "Fingerprints of the Gods". http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=graham+hancock+books&tag=googhydr-20&index=stripbooks&hvadid=3318479955&ref=pd_sl_89hplnh9l_e
I found his take on the world very interesting and this new found city gives him even more credit IMHO. In order for artisans to have the time and energy to carve and construct such cities agriculture is a necessity because without agriculture there is no way in hell that the people who created that city would have had the time or energy to make it happen.


Its been a while that I read through the entire thread, but I don't recall anyone putting a 5000 year limit on civilization. 7,000-12,000 sounds like a possibility. Consider the force required to completely bury cities like this. A great flood that covered the highest mountains of the world could do this. There will not be another world-wide flood like that one, but we are quickly heading to calamities of that proportion.

Since none of us will go out and buy that book, what was so great in it that you recall?


It's an Anti Darwin theory of evolution. Basically to summarize, he purports an Ancient advanced civilization existed prior to ours. This civilization was wiped out during the Ice Age but not before passing down some of their knowledge to the then human race. Chalked full of references. Own this book too :D man, now I'm going off topic :o

[Awoke]

Bad-boy, Low Pan!

;D

[Spectrism]

Grahm Hancock was the second guy interviewed in the video. For those of you who think civilization started no more than 5000 years ago I suggest that you check out his book named "Fingerprints of the Gods". http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=graham+hancock+books&tag=googhydr-20&index=stripbooks&hvadid=3318479955&ref=pd_sl_89hplnh9l_e
I found his take on the world very interesting and this new found city gives him even more credit IMHO. In order for artisans to have the time and energy to carve and construct such cities agriculture is a necessity because without agriculture there is no way in hell that the people who created that city would have had the time or energy to make it happen.


Its been a while that I read through the entire thread, but I don't recall anyone putting a 5000 year limit on civilization. 7,000-12,000 sounds like a possibility. Consider the force required to completely bury cities like this. A great flood that covered the highest mountains of the world could do this. There will not be another world-wide flood like that one, but we are quickly heading to calamities of that proportion.

Since none of us will go out and buy that book, what was so great in it that you recall?


It's an Anti Darwin theory of evolution. Basically to summarize, he purports an Ancient advanced civilization existed prior to ours. This civilization was wiped out during the Ice Age but not before passing down some of their knowledge to the then human race. Chalked full of references. Own this book too :D man, now I'm going off topic :o


Thanks LowPan... that was basically what I asked for.

I think there were two great civilizations before this one. The first was destroyed by the great flood. The second was the center in Babel. That one was destroyed by confusion and separation of cultures.

The separation of cultures and people groups was an act of God. The devil today is working hard to make the nations one again. The third destruction of human civilization will happen in less the 7 years.

[Bullion_Bob]

Imagine if everything we can observe in the universe was only gauged in thousands.

Yeah that galaxy is a couple thousand light years wide, and it is for some reason hundreds of times farther away than that even larger cluster of galaxies, and it's moving towards it...

Hmmmm....doh!