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Ponce
25th February 2011, 06:38 AM
One and quarter million PER SHOW, for him, down the drain........five billions for the producers......Amen.
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CBS, Warner pull plug on season of Sheen's sitcom.
LOS ANGELES – "Two and a Half Men" star Charlie Sheen has skirted disaster as a wayward, middle-aged party boy who regularly tested the patience of the TV network and studio trying to protect their valuable sitcom property.
It was a violence-tinged and anti-Semitic radio rant that helped push him over the edge and, finally, forced CBS and Warner Bros. Television to take action.
In a one-sentence joint statement Thursday, the companies said they were ending production on television's No. 1 sitcom for the season, a decision based on the "totality of Charlie Sheen's statements, conduct and condition."
Whether he's gone far enough to sink the series and, possibly, his career as one of TV's highest-paid actors remained unclear. Sheen's rambling interview Thursday with host Alex Jones was reminiscent of Mel Gibson's tirade during a 2006 traffic stop — but Sheen knew his remarks were public.
The production halt leaves CBS eight episodes shy of the 24 half-hours it had expected to air as the cornerstone of its Monday night comedy lineup. And it makes the network and Warner, which reaps hundreds of millions from the show in syndication, the potential go-betweens between Sheen and "Two and a Half Men" executive producer Chuck Lorre.
Lorre bore the brunt of Sheen's attacks during the radio interview and in a subsequent "open letter" sent to TMZ after the CBS-Warner decision and posted on the entertainment website.
In the letter, the actor called Lorre a "contaminated little maggot" and wished the producer "nothing but pain."
"Clearly I have defeated this earthworm with my words — imagine what I would have done with my fire breathing fists," the 45-year-old Sheen wrote.
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"I urge all my beautiful and loyal fans who embraced this show for almost a decade to walk with me side-by-side as we march up the steps of justice to right this unconscionable wrong," Sheen wrote.
Those remarks, along with his comments to Jones, veered from ludicrous to self-aggrandizing to threatening. For a man who has battled addiction and faced allegations of domestic violence, the outbursts raised troubling questions about his state of mind and his most recent effort at rehabilitation.
In an interview Wednesday, his father, Martin Sheen ("The West Wing," "Apocalypse Now") compared his son's fight against addiction to that of a cancer patient.
"The disease of addiction is a form of cancer," Martin Sheen told Sky News in London. "You have to have an equal measure of concern and love and lift them up, so that's what we do for him."
CBS and Warner had tolerated Sheen's recent misadventures, including wild partying and three hospitalizations in three months. The incidents are part of a checkered life that included his $50,000-plus tab as a client of "Hollywood Madam" Heidi Fleiss' prostitution ring, a near-fatal cocaine overdose in 1998, and conflict-filled marriages.
(Last August, he pleaded guilty in Aspen, Colo., to misdemeanor third-degree assault after a Christmas Day altercation with his third wife, Brooke Mueller. The couple's divorce was recently finalized.)
The TV season was interrupted for "Two and a Half Men" after Sheen was briefly hospitalized last month following a 911 call in which he was described as "very, very intoxicated" and in pain. Production was put on hold while Sheen tried rehab, reportedly at home, but also railed against the hiatus as unneeded.
He signed a new two-year contract at the end of last season that reportedly pays him about $1.8 million per episode.
Plans were set for taping to resume next week. Then came the Jones radio interview and the attack on Lorre that reeked of anti-Semitism.
"There's something this side of deplorable that a certain Chaim Levine — yeah, that's Chuck's real name — mistook this rock star for his own selfish exit strategy, bro. Check it, Alex: I embarrassed him in front of his children and the world by healing at a pace that his unevolved mind cannot process," Sheen told Jones.
"Last I checked, Chaim, I spent close to the last decade effortlessly and magically converting your tin cans into pure gold. And the gratitude I get is this charlatan chose not to do his job, which is to write," he said.
Lorre, who was born Charles Levine, is a veteran producer whose hits include "The Big Bang Theory," "Dharma & Greg" and "Cybill." He had no comment on Sheen's remarks or the production shut down, a spokeswoman said Thursday.
Speaking of himself, the star of the films "Platoon," "Wall Street" and "Major League" said he has "magic and poetry in my fingertips, most of the time."
But he also made repeated, unclear references to mayhem. At one point, Sheen called himself the new sheriff in town who has an "army of assassins."
"If you love with violence and you hate with violence, there's nothing that can be questioned," he said.
When CBS Entertainment President Nina Tassler was asked about Sheen at a news conference in January, she said, "We have a high level of concern. How can we not?" she said.
When a reporter suggested a person in a different line of work and a similar track record would be fired, Tassler replied: "What do you get fired for? Going to work and doing your job?"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_people_charlie_sheen
kregener
25th February 2011, 06:41 AM
So this putz can run amok doing drugs and Babylonian whores, and CBS will hold on with clinging fingernails to keep the show afloat, but if he utters anything that can considered "anti-semetic", the show gets the axe?
Horn
25th February 2011, 06:52 AM
http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_audio/022411_sheen.mp3
just as the general's thread went, I don't see much in this as a reason for banning?
kregener
25th February 2011, 07:07 AM
What a load of rambling hooey.
PatColo
25th February 2011, 07:28 AM
http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_audio/022411_sheen.mp3
just as the general's thread went, I don't see much in this as a reason for banning?
I'm about halfway through this, but CSheen is off the rails a bit, seems like he's on speed or something. "Rambling" is right. Guy's some kind of mix of anger & narcissism, he's venting pretty hard.
kregener
25th February 2011, 07:33 AM
The rambling went both ways, to be sure.
sunshine05
25th February 2011, 07:43 AM
I didn't listen to it, but I think this is just another attempt to discredit 9/11 truth.
Silver Rocket Bitches!
25th February 2011, 07:57 AM
I don't watch TV. Was his show any good? Was it worth his nearly $2 million / episode?
kregener
25th February 2011, 08:02 AM
I have watched a few episodes.
Some funny moments/dialogue, but Charlie Sheen is barely an actor. Fellow druggie Robert Downey, Jr. has more talent in his pinkie than Sheen does in his entire body.
JJ.G0ldD0t
25th February 2011, 08:12 AM
I don't watch TV. Was his show any good? Was it worth his nearly $2 million / episode?
It was trash.. really.
But people eat it up.
Horn
25th February 2011, 08:47 AM
I'm about halfway through this, but CSheen is off the rails a bit, seems like he's on speed or something. "Rambling" is right. Guy's some kind of mix of anger & narcissism, he's venting pretty hard.
Apparently he's winnin'.
Don't you guys know he doesn't like the judging types?
I'd watch out for the assassins ...;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od9FkRvvnrg
horseshoe3
25th February 2011, 09:04 AM
So using someone's real name is a bad thing now? If I didn't know better, I'd think "Lorre" was a secret agent.
Libertytree
25th February 2011, 09:12 AM
I have watched a few episodes.
Some funny moments/dialogue, but Charlie Sheen is barely an actor. Fellow druggie Robert Downey, Jr. has more talent in his pinkie than Sheen does in his entire body.
I know people who plan their nights around that show. :oo-->
nunaem
25th February 2011, 09:27 AM
I don't watch TV. Was his show any good? Was it worth his nearly $2 million / episode?
Jew filth.
The one redeeming thing about that show is it perfectly illustrates the alpha/beta male dichotomy with Charlie and Alan.
YukonCornelius
25th February 2011, 10:02 AM
I don't watch TV. Was his show any good? Was it worth his nearly $2 million / episode?
It was trash.. really.
But people eat it up.
I thought it was funny but not because sheen but the guy who plays Alan is hilarious.
Ponce
25th February 2011, 11:50 AM
I do see it all the time and love it because it gives me an insight into the mind of the writers and owners of the show that allows this type of show to go on the air.....I have come up with the conclusion that they must be "Jews"......only "they" would make money out of the discomfort of others.
Sparky
25th February 2011, 01:03 PM
Trashy, but clever and well written. I watch it. Sue me. I actually realized recently that television, though a load of Hollywood trash, has more clever, well written, well-produced, and well-acted shows than I can ever remember. But what they've forsaken is any sense of values, which they used to try to preserve at some base level. It's now very well done trash. Perhaps that makes it more dangerous.
So, would anybody be surprised to see the show come back next year with huge ratings to open the fall season, following all this free publicity? Has a network ever voluntarily pulled the plug (permanently) from a show that was still making lots of money? I can't think of any.
keehah
25th February 2011, 01:09 PM
vancouversun.com/entertainment/Charlie+Sheen+brandishes+fire+breathing+fists (http://www.vancouversun.com/entertainment/Charlie+Sheen+brandishes+fire+breathing+fists+webs ite+updated/4348144/story.html#ixzz1F0FLqUdY)
"Clearly I have defeated this earthworm with my words -- imagine what I would have done with my fire breathing fists. I urge all my beautiful and loyal fans who embraced this show for almost a decade to walk with me side-by-side as we march up the steps of justice to right this unconscionable wrong."
Rather than shouting "I am Spartacus!" CBS issued this weary statement: "Based on the totality of Charlie Sheen's statements, conduct and condition, CBS and Warner Bros. Television have decided to discontinue production of 'Two and a Half Men' for the remainder of the season."
Meanwhile, over at convivial TMZ.com, Charlie insisted that by referring to Chuck Lorre as Chaim Levine he's not intruding into Mel Gibson territory. No anti-Semite is Sheen: "I was referring to Chuck by his real name, because I wanted to address the man, not the bulls**t TV persona," he told the stolid journal. "So you're telling me, anytime someone calls me Carlos Estevez, I can claim they are anti-Latino?"
watching-tv.ew.com/2011/02/25/charlie-sheen-two-and-a-half-men-alcoholics-anonymous/ (http://watching-tv.ew.com/2011/02/25/charlie-sheen-two-and-a-half-men-alcoholics-anonymous/)
Is there much doubt that Sheen is a diminished man, someone who’s losing control of what media spinners call “his narrative” — i.e., command over the arc of his career and image? His angry response to the idea that he may be in the grip of addiction(s) has been to say, “Bull—. I cured it… with my mind.” His rejection of Alcoholics Anonymous as “a bootleg cult with a five percent success rate”? Well, I think one of the precepts of AA, and a rather un-cult-like one at that, is that a person can’t be helped unless he’s reached the point of wanting to be helped. [What is cult-like is the need for total submission.]
Sheen knows one of the major reasons for the success of Two and a Half Men is that people like him. It therefore makes sense, even in Sheen’s overheated manner of expression, for him to express gratitude for what he calls “my beautiful and loyal fans,” and to want to continue with production on the series — of literally showing up for work even after Men had been shut down. Even in the midst of a media meltdown, he’s trying to present himself as an honorable guy, which suggests a conscience, however beclouded, at work within him.
No matter how much violence he threatens to unleash from his “fire-breathing fists,” that hostility has never extended to his audience (yet). His rhetoric is loaded with defensive anger — “And if you’re part of my family, I will love you violently. If you infiltrate and try to hurt my family, I will murder you violently” — yet when you untangle it, his phrasing is rooted in fear and confusion.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2011/feb/25/two-and-a-half-men-sheen-charlie
For the past eight years CBS has been raking in some of the highest advertising rates in television, supplemented by lavish syndication earnings from around the world, for a show that features a character who is a hard-drinking chaos-troubled hedonist.
“He’s my neighbor so I don’t have anything bad to say about him,” -Paris Hilton
PatColo
25th February 2011, 01:20 PM
""So you're telling me, anytime someone calls me Carlos Estevez, I can claim they are anti-Latino?"
anyone know the relationship between Martin Sheen, Charlie Sheen & Emilio Estavez? Aren't the 2 latter both Sheen's sons? Are they half-brothers or what? Why the different last names?
Emilio seemed to drop out of hollywood after the '80s sometime, what's he doing these days?
Just curious, btw. :)
sirgonzo420
25th February 2011, 01:24 PM
""So you're telling me, anytime someone calls me Carlos Estevez, I can claim they are anti-Latino?"
anyone know the relationship between Martin Sheen, Charlie Sheen & Emilio Estavez? Aren't the 2 latter both Sheen's sons? Are they half-brothers or what? Why the different last names?
Emilio seemed to drop out of hollywood after the '80s sometime, what's he doing these days?
Just curious, btw. :)
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Sheen
Carlos Irwin Estevez (born September 3, 1965), better known by his stage name Charlie Sheen, is an American actor.
Ponce
25th February 2011, 01:51 PM
There is a difference between changing your name for the arts and changing it to "fool" the people as to you are .........not two actors, or actreses , will have the same name but for one......Helen Hunt....we have two of them.
keehah
25th February 2011, 02:28 PM
showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/Charlie-Sheen-denies-anti-semitism-in-TV-row (http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/breakingnews/breakingnews/view/20110226-322282/Charlie-Sheen-denies-anti-semitism-in-TV-row)
Abraham H. Foxman, national director of the Anti Defamation League lobby group, condemned Sheen's comments.
"By invoking television producer Chuck Lorre's Jewish name in the context of an angry tirade against him, Charlie Sheen left the impression that another reason for his dislike of Mr. Lorre is his Jewishness," he said in a statement.
"This fact has no relevance to Mr. Sheen's complaint or disagreement, and his words are at best bizarre, and at worst, borderline anti-Semitism," he added in a statement.MSNBC: 'Men' crew: 'Turd' Sheen can pay my mortgage (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/41784396/ns/today-entertainment/)
"I have never seen anything like this," said a Lorre coworker, who refused to see anything more. Another colleague wasn't quite as tight-lipped:
"Yeah, Chuck can sometimes be outspoken," the Lorre source explained, possibly referring to Lorre's highly entertaining, and deeply personal vanity cards. "And sometimes he can be a schmuck at work, sometimes. But he does not deserve this at all. Nobody does. Charlie Sheen is a truly horrible man."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmuck_(pejorative)
Schmuck entered English as a borrowed pejorative from a common Yiddish insult. The Online Etymology Dictionary defines it as "contemptible person," 1892, from E. Yiddish shmok, lit. "penis," from Old Pol. smok, "grass snake, dragon." It is not the same word as Ger. Schmuck "jewelry, adornments."
thewrap.com/...we-have-no-assholes-policy (http://www.thewrap.com/awards/column-post/seth-macfarlane-charlie-sheen-antics-we-have-no-assholes-policy-25062)
An ABC Executive Producer who asked not to be identified said, “In one sense, I'm proud of CBS for forgoing profits and taking a stand.
Serpo
25th February 2011, 02:39 PM
Gist of this story ....how to make 30,000$.....fast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mcu27FdJflE
keehah
25th February 2011, 07:33 PM
Welcome GSUSers to a new level of collapse of the new media news cycle. ;D
Animated bears version of Alex Jones and Charlie Sheen yesterday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4zvNu4rzKU
Horn
26th February 2011, 04:38 PM
After Charlie Sheen's latest crazy outburst, and CBS canceling the rest of the season of his television show, Hollywood is buzzing about what this will mean for his career going forward.
According to Geraldo Rivera, Sheen's career might just be over after some of the things he said were taken as anti-Semitic.
First, Rivera said, money is not really a consideration here because, according to Rivera, they could cancel the show now and not lose a penny since "it is estimated the 177 episodes already in the can represent a billion dollar asset for the Warner Brothers studio."
"They paid $4 million for each original episode delivered. So, presumably, in the short term here, the four episode that will not be done, CBS will be saving, in the short term this season, $16 million. Now, they can and they will run repeats of Two and a Half Men in the same time slot. it is a phenomenon the program is so successful that the repeats do a rating that is comparable in every regard to the original."
Translation: Sheen might have less leverage than he obviously thinks he does, since the studio does not need to continue to pay him a salary to make money off of his work.
But, more importantly, Sheen made an "obvious anti-Semitic reference" and that, more than abusing drugs or beating women, is the worst thing you can do in Hollywood according to Rivera.
But, more importantly, Sheen made an "obvious anti-Semitic reference" and that, more than abusing drugs or beating women, is the worst thing you can do in Hollywood according to Rivera.
"Here comes the outrage, I'm sure, in what I want to say. But I'm going spell it out because I think it's very important for people to hear. It's fascinating to me that over the last decade plus, this man is a serial woman abuser. He has shot them, he has beaten them. He has abused women in every regard in a violent way, injuring some of them and still he has been free to work his trade on the networks. Everything is forgiven as long as he shows up for work, reasonably sober and he reads his lines. Now, he takes this next step. This step into anti-Semitism. You can be a woman beater in Los Angeles, you cannot be an anti-Semite."
Rivera pointed to another recent A-list star who veered into anti-Semitic territory, and whose career never recovered.
"Remember what happened to Mel Gibson when he asked that cop on the Pacific Coast Highway if he was Jewish. That made Mel Gibson a pariah in the community and he has not yet, and probably will never, recover. This to my view is far worse. You can hang out with the hookers, you can beat them up, you can do anything you want but you start this anti-Semitic stuff... I think it will be years before he gets work and he is not going anywhere near mainstream television again, ever."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/charlie-sheen-geraldo-porno-video-2011-2#ixzz1F6xIkuFI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyN1W3ORHEY
dys
26th February 2011, 05:05 PM
Judge: "Why would a man like you need to pay for sex?"
Sheen: "I don't pay them for sex. I pay them to leave."
dys
Serpo
26th February 2011, 05:16 PM
Judge: "Why would a man like you need to pay for sex?"
Sheen: "I don't pay them for sex. I pay them to leave."
dys
He must be studing Clintons famous quotes....I did not have sex with that women
or I did not inhale
willie pete
26th February 2011, 05:18 PM
charlie is on a slippery slope, he'll be dead soon
Ponce
26th February 2011, 05:59 PM
Read earlier today that it was not 1 1/4 mill per show but 1.8.........so that in a 30 minutes show 10 is for commercial 3 for intruduction and so on.....that leaves 17 minutes for the actual show.......hummmmm he is not infront of the camera ALL the time, lets say about 11 minutes and that tells me that he was making about $125,000 of actual pay PER MINUTE of actual pay, and then you have payments for sold shows and residuals for every time that a show is shown............so, let's say that he was making about $160,000 per minutes............38 shows will not me made so the he lost around .......11 minutes times 38 equal 418 times $160.000 comes to about $1'440,000,000 down the drain...........well, he must be very happy now.
keehah
26th February 2011, 06:10 PM
Charlie did not cancel the show. The 'other guy' who makes about twice as much as Charlie writing that show and now has two other shows and was inserting messages at the end of the show about Charlie dying canceled the show (and/or a Corp decision). The guy who may not be named without being called anti-semite by the mass broadcast.
chud
26th February 2011, 08:33 PM
I'm siding with Charlie Sheen on this one. While he's pretty out of control with the drugs and all, I kinda like him and I don't see anything wrong with him calling this dude out and using his real name if he has a beef with him.
On the partying though, he'd better be careful, drugs and crazy women are two very dangerous things. I have a very good friend who nearly lost everything (including his life) because he had a psycho girlfriend and a drug habit at the same time.
keehah
26th February 2011, 08:39 PM
a psycho girlfriend and a drug habit at the same time
Good advice.
Stay safe Charlie; one at a time!
Except for the girlfriends of course.
Serpo
26th February 2011, 08:45 PM
Read earlier today that it was not 1 1/4 mill per show but 1.8.........so that in a 30 minutes show 10 is for commercial 3 for intruduction and so on.....that leaves 17 minutes for the actual show.......hummmmm he is not infront of the camera ALL the time, lets say about 11 minutes and that tells me that he was making about $125,000 of actual pay PER MINUTE of actual pay, and then you have payments for sold shows and residuals for every time that a show is shown............so, let's say that he was making about $160,000 per minutes............38 shows will not me made so the he lost around .......11 minutes times 38 equal 418 times $160.000 comes to about $1'440,000,000 down the drain...........well, he must be very happy now.
Well it is only fiat Ponce......hahahaha
JDRock
27th February 2011, 10:26 AM
I didn't listen to it, but I think this is just another attempt to discredit 9/11 truth.
DING DING we have a winner! also his "anti semetic rant" :oo--> which amounted to calling a jew by his real birth name, was the final straw....
you see people, its NOT about $...it NEVER was...its always been about the tribe controlling things SECRETLY...as soon as somone shines the light of day on truth their deleted from every position of influence.
Brando...helen thomas...the cnn anchor(forgot his name)....mel gibson etc
Horn
27th February 2011, 01:58 PM
charlie is on a slippery slope, he'll be dead soon
maybe this was his plan all along, to show the world how when your tongue speaks the name, you will reach martyrdom...
I'm reaching here. 8)
keehah
27th February 2011, 04:55 PM
CHUCK LORRE PRODUCTIONS, #327
http://www.chucklorre.com/index-2hm.php?p=327
I'm writing this vanity card in Israel. I like it here. Not for the geography, or architecture, or even the history. No, I like it because for the first time in my life I'm surrounded with DNA much like my own. Until I got here, until I wandered around Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, I didn't realize how much my double helix yearned to be around similar strands. Now that's not to say that I don't occasionally have that very same genetic experience in Beverly Hills (particularly in Chinese restaurants on Sunday night). But the sheer homogeneity of Israel overwhelms any over-priced kung pao gathering at Mr. Chow's. The cop, the cab driver, the hotel concierge, the pilot, the waiter, the shoe salesman, the beautiful girl looking right through me as if I didn't exist -- all Jewish! If I had to sum it up, I'd say the sensation is like being at a B'nai B'rith summer camp that is surrounded by millions of crazy bastards who hate the sound of kids playing tetherball, and all the poor little camp has going for it is pluckiness and nukes. Anyway, I have to believe my visceral and very pleasant reaction is some sort of evolutionary, tribal thing. Some sort of survival gene that makes human beings want to stay with their birth group. Which raises the question, why have I spent a lifetime moving away from that group? How did Chaim become Chuck? How did Levine become Lorre? The only answer I come up with is this: When I was a little boy in Hebrew school the rabbis regularly told us that we were the chosen people. That we were God's favorites. Which is all well and good except that I went home, observed my family and, despite my tender age, thought to myself, "bull$#*!."
ShortJohnSilver
27th February 2011, 05:45 PM
But the sheer homogeneity of Israel overwhelms any over-priced kung pao gathering at Mr. Chow's. The cop, the cab driver, the hotel concierge, the pilot, the waiter, the shoe salesman, the beautiful girl looking right through me as if I didn't exist -- all Jewish!
Now he knows how Americans felt in the 50s before the Khazar-authored 1965 Immigration bill destroyed the country!
Horn
28th February 2011, 06:47 AM
Which raises the question, why have I spent a lifetime moving away from that group? How did Chaim become Chuck? How did Levine become Lorre? The only answer I come up with ?
Gee, maybe the DNA was well practiced in the Art of Deception, Chuck?
keehah
28th February 2011, 12:24 PM
The herd grunts!
http://likeitido.com/2011/02/28/charlie-sheens-friend-alex-jones-takes-over-the-view/7656
Alex Jones, the radio host who Charlie Sheen called in to speak to and have his rant about Chuck Lorre appeared on ‘The View’ this morning. And it was perhaps the most fun and worrisome episode that the show has had this year. Barbara Walters and Whoopi Goldberg were unable to control him and his outbursts and Walters had to end the segment shaking her head and telling him that he was indeed a good friend to Charlie Sheen.
Basically Alex Jones wouldn’t stop talking and kept going on about how Charlie Sheen was unfairly being compared to the devil and we should be looking at Bush and Gaddafi and other political leaders instead of focusing on Sheen. He also kept shouting out “Look at Infowars.com”.
Whoopi Goldberg kept trying to sway him back to talking about and focusing on whether or not he thought Charlie Sheen had other issues relating to his weird outbursts, but Alex Jones just kept talking about focusing on other people. He also compared Charlie Sheen’s behavior right now due to coming off the drugs and said he acted the same when he came off of cigarettes.
I have to say that Alex Jones was a bad interview and didn’t give any insight into the situation with Charlie Sheen but he did make for good TV. ‘The View’ had me laughing hysterically this morning.
keehah
28th February 2011, 01:02 PM
A George Soros Joint bellows:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201102280020
... We've got the banks bankrupting the U.S." Whoopi Goldberg responded by steering the discussion back to Sheen: "Wait, wait, wait. We're sticking with Charlie, because that's way too much for me."...
Media outlets: Stop hosting Alex Jones. There is no way to justify allowing him to promote this garbage.
For instance:
Jones' main theory is that a "New World Order" of secretive, powerful elites are working behind the scenes to rule the world through an authoritarian government. Jones thinks the New World Order will exterminate 80 percent of the world's population.
Jones is perhaps the country's most prominent 9-11 truther and regularly states his position that the government was behind the 9-11 terrorist attacks.
Jones believes the government has set up a series of secret FEMA-run concentration camps.
He has also pushed conspiracy theories about weather control, mass sterilization, the Oklahoma City bombing and the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster, among others.
lapis
3rd March 2011, 02:03 AM
The alternative news site SOTT.net had an interesting take (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/225293-Charlie-Sheen-Mind-Control-9-11-and-The-Sixth-Extinction) on the Sheen descent into craziness, and how it's similar to former MI5 agent/whistleblower David Shayler's. I had no idea what happened to this guy!
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Why has Charlie Sheen 'gone off' in such spectacular fashion? Admittedly, it's not exactly unusual for a Hollywood star to go on a drink and drug-fuelled 'bender' and end up in rehab, but for most of them that's usually the extent of the acting out. Charlie Sheen however appears to be in a different category. While he has an alleged history of drink and drug abuse dating back to 2005, his dramatically swift fall from grace really began late last year when he was arrested for causing $7000 worth of damage to a hotel suite during a weekend of drugs and prostitutes. Since then, his behavior has grown increasingly bizarre and, most recently, he seems to have adopted a 'god complex' that does not appear to be dependent on, or fueled by, any substance abuse (although there is obviously a strong possibility of him being bipolar).
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This isn't the first time that Sheen's personal life and beliefs have been the focus of media scrutiny and used as an opportunity to push an agenda. Back in 2006 he began to voice his opinion that the official story of the 9/11 attacks did not make sense and questions remained unanswered:
[video]
Obviously, the topic I am broaching here is the possible link between Sheen's public stance on 9/11 and his subsequent psychological collapse and the media portrayal of him (with good reason) as being 'crazy'. Despite what many think, the idea that Sheen may be the target of surreptitious psychological interference by those who would prefer he keep his mouth shut about the 9/11 attacks is a reasonable one:
Project MKULTRA, or MK-ULTRA, was the code name for a covert, illegal CIA human research program, run by the U.S. Office of Scientific Intelligence. This official U.S. government program began in the early 1950s, continuing at least through the late 1960s, and it used U.S. and Canadian citizens as its test subjects.
The published evidence indicates that Project MKULTRA involved the use of many methodologies to manipulate individual mental states and alter brain functions, including the surreptitious administration of drugs and other chemicals, sensory deprivation, isolation, and verbal and sexual abuse. While the CIA claims that MKULTRA-type experiments have been abandonded, 14-year CIA veteran Victor Marchetti stated in various interviews that CIA mind control research continued. In a 1977 interview, Marchetti specifically called the CIA claim that MKULTRA was abandoned a "cover story."
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If, as a result of his stance on the official version of 9/11, Charlie Sheen has indeed been targeted in one of the ways described above, he probably isn't the first. Consider the case of former MI5 agent David Shayler. In early 1996 Shayler became aware of an MI6 plot to assassinate Libyan leader Muammar al-Gaddafi in February 1996 without the permission of the then foreign secretary Sir Malcolm Rifkind. The plan involved paying £100,000 to the (officially 'terrorist' and 'al-Qaeda-linked') Libyan Islamic Fighting Group to carry out the attack. The group was paid to plant a bomb underneath Gaddafi's motorcade but the bomb was planted under the wrong car and failed to kill Gaddafi and instead killed several innocent civilians. Shayler then left MI5 and became a 'whistle blower'. Over the next 10 years he made efforts to expose the lies about the war on terror, the 9/11 attacks and the London train bombings.
Here he is on the UK's Sky News in 2006:
[video]
Within a year of the above interview, Shayler had taken an unfortunate 'turn' that is not dissimilar to that taken by Sheen:
[video]
Two years later, in 2009, things weren't looking much better:
Meet Delores, the ex-MI5 officer now living as a woman (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23720880-meet-delores-the-ex-mi5-officer-now-living-as-a-woman.do)
http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/shayler-415x275.jpg
Shayler, before. Shayler as 'Delores Kane' aka Jesus the transvestite.
Today, Shayler calls himself both "Messiah" - born out of his belief that he can save humanity - and also "Delores Kane" - his transvestite other self, a role for which he dons false breasts, mini-skirt and ginger wig.
Shayler told the local weekly paper: "I have realised that I am Christ and I am here to save humanity. In 2012 it is widely predicted that the world will end. It is predicted there will be a massive change in people's consciousness and we will see the end of Babylon and the end of the world as we know it. Jesus was a transvestite.''
Note the comment by the narrator in the last video above that: "many supporters say this turn robs him [Shayler] of his credibility, destroying a reputation for sensible anti-establishment bravery. The path from mainstream whistle blower to 9/11 conspiracy theorist to now self-proclaimed messiah could arguably be a wish come true for the secret services that once tried to gag him."
From this we deduce that, according to the mainstream media, those who disbelieve the official version of the 9/11 attacks are half way down the road to a messiah complex and thus fundamentally unstable, or in danger of becoming so. But I have to admit that it is a little frustrating to see mainstream media journalists flirt so closely with the likely truth of the matter - that in the cases of people like Shayler and Sheen, it is not their opinions or the fact of their 'break-downs' that are most intriguing, but rather the way in which the people who obviously want to see them consigned to the loony bin keep 'lucking out' in the most coincidental ways.
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I don't doubt that these two could be psychologically manipulated in some way; after all the AP story (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110227/ap_on_he_me/us_med_experiments_on_humans) just came out about how the government conducted unauthorized secret tests and experiments on innocent, normal non-questioning-of-the-status-quo civilians.
Of course the AP frames it in such a way to lead you to believe this was all in the past, but we know better!
Hillbilly
3rd March 2011, 03:01 AM
I could be wrong but I'm thinking that Sheen wanted to get back into the movies. Robert Blake said years ago that you don't go from movies to tv and back again it will kill your career so Sheen had to think of a exit strategy to get back into the movies.
So he takes a page from Joaquin Phoenix's script aka the "I'm still hear" movie and concocts this mental break down to drum up press. Meanwhile he knows the whole time he has the movie Major League III in the bag. So this all amounts to ton and tons of free press to get him back into the movies with a bang.
It might blow up in his face or it just might make him rich.
We'll see.....
undgrd
3rd March 2011, 05:36 AM
The alternative news site SOTT.net had an interesting take (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/225293-Charlie-Sheen-Mind-Control-9-11-and-The-Sixth-Extinction) on the Sheen descent into craziness, and how it's similar to former MI5 agent/whistleblower David Shayler's. I had no idea what happened to this guy!
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Why has Charlie Sheen 'gone off' in such spectacular fashion? Admittedly, it's not exactly unusual for a Hollywood star to go on a drink and drug-fuelled 'bender' and end up in rehab, but for most of them that's usually the extent of the acting out. Charlie Sheen however appears to be in a different category. While he has an alleged history of drink and drug abuse dating back to 2005, his dramatically swift fall from grace really began late last year when he was arrested for causing $7000 worth of damage to a hotel suite during a weekend of drugs and prostitutes. Since then, his behavior has grown increasingly bizarre and, most recently, he seems to have adopted a 'god complex' that does not appear to be dependent on, or fueled by, any substance abuse (although there is obviously a strong possibility of him being bipolar).
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This isn't the first time that Sheen's personal life and beliefs have been the focus of media scrutiny and used as an opportunity to push an agenda. Back in 2006 he began to voice his opinion that the official story of the 9/11 attacks did not make sense and questions remained unanswered:
[video]
Obviously, the topic I am broaching here is the possible link between Sheen's public stance on 9/11 and his subsequent psychological collapse and the media portrayal of him (with good reason) as being 'crazy'. Despite what many think, the idea that Sheen may be the target of surreptitious psychological interference by those who would prefer he keep his mouth shut about the 9/11 attacks is a reasonable one:
Project MKULTRA, or MK-ULTRA, was the code name for a covert, illegal CIA human research program, run by the U.S. Office of Scientific Intelligence. This official U.S. government program began in the early 1950s, continuing at least through the late 1960s, and it used U.S. and Canadian citizens as its test subjects.
The published evidence indicates that Project MKULTRA involved the use of many methodologies to manipulate individual mental states and alter brain functions, including the surreptitious administration of drugs and other chemicals, sensory deprivation, isolation, and verbal and sexual abuse. While the CIA claims that MKULTRA-type experiments have been abandonded, 14-year CIA veteran Victor Marchetti stated in various interviews that CIA mind control research continued. In a 1977 interview, Marchetti specifically called the CIA claim that MKULTRA was abandoned a "cover story."
**************************************
If, as a result of his stance on the official version of 9/11, Charlie Sheen has indeed been targeted in one of the ways described above, he probably isn't the first. Consider the case of former MI5 agent David Shayler. In early 1996 Shayler became aware of an MI6 plot to assassinate Libyan leader Muammar al-Gaddafi in February 1996 without the permission of the then foreign secretary Sir Malcolm Rifkind. The plan involved paying £100,000 to the (officially 'terrorist' and 'al-Qaeda-linked') Libyan Islamic Fighting Group to carry out the attack. The group was paid to plant a bomb underneath Gaddafi's motorcade but the bomb was planted under the wrong car and failed to kill Gaddafi and instead killed several innocent civilians. Shayler then left MI5 and became a 'whistle blower'. Over the next 10 years he made efforts to expose the lies about the war on terror, the 9/11 attacks and the London train bombings.
Here he is on the UK's Sky News in 2006:
[video]
Within a year of the above interview, Shayler had taken an unfortunate 'turn' that is not dissimilar to that taken by Sheen:
[video]
Two years later, in 2009, things weren't looking much better:
Meet Delores, the ex-MI5 officer now living as a woman (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23720880-meet-delores-the-ex-mi5-officer-now-living-as-a-woman.do)
http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/shayler-415x275.jpg
Shayler, before. Shayler as 'Delores Kane' aka Jesus the transvestite.
Today, Shayler calls himself both "Messiah" - born out of his belief that he can save humanity - and also "Delores Kane" - his transvestite other self, a role for which he dons false breasts, mini-skirt and ginger wig.
Shayler told the local weekly paper: "I have realised that I am Christ and I am here to save humanity. In 2012 it is widely predicted that the world will end. It is predicted there will be a massive change in people's consciousness and we will see the end of Babylon and the end of the world as we know it. Jesus was a transvestite.''
Note the comment by the narrator in the last video above that: "many supporters say this turn robs him [Shayler] of his credibility, destroying a reputation for sensible anti-establishment bravery. The path from mainstream whistle blower to 9/11 conspiracy theorist to now self-proclaimed messiah could arguably be a wish come true for the secret services that once tried to gag him."
From this we deduce that, according to the mainstream media, those who disbelieve the official version of the 9/11 attacks are half way down the road to a messiah complex and thus fundamentally unstable, or in danger of becoming so. But I have to admit that it is a little frustrating to see mainstream media journalists flirt so closely with the likely truth of the matter - that in the cases of people like Shayler and Sheen, it is not their opinions or the fact of their 'break-downs' that are most intriguing, but rather the way in which the people who obviously want to see them consigned to the loony bin keep 'lucking out' in the most coincidental ways.
*************************************
I don't doubt that these two could be psychologically manipulated in some way; after all the AP story (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110227/ap_on_he_me/us_med_experiments_on_humans) just came out about how the government conducted unauthorized secret tests and experiments on innocent, normal non-questioning-of-the-status-quo civilians.
Of course the AP frames it in such a way to lead you to believe this was all in the past, but we know better!
Joe Rogan better watch his back then.
PatColo
4th March 2011, 09:41 PM
David Shayler is still a spook, I assume. He had a spook girlfriend. Was around 05-06 sometime that Shayler gave an interview to, I think "Sky News" in UK re 911 Truth; most of it he did fine, but at the very end he dropped trou and pinched of a big stinky turd into the punchbowl when he contended that there were no planes at WTC.
I think he also was a principal creator of a London 7/7 truth video, but I never watched it.
lapis
5th March 2011, 09:04 AM
David Shayler is still a spook, I assume.
That's an intriguing idea! I wouldn't be surprised to find how low the various intelligence people will go in order to discredit the 9/11 truth movement (much like what the FBI did to the Black Panthers and other organizations through COINTELPRO).
But Sheen, he's a smart un (or else he has a brilliant publicist). He's going to join Sean Penn in Haiti on a humanitarian mission.
Check out the Bono glass frames he was wearing at the press conference. It's amazing how much gravitas a few ounces of plastic can give you, especially next to Penn looking like he just got out of bed. Penn needs to get Sheen's publicist. ;)
Charlie Sheen Is Going to Haiti with Sean Penn (http://gawker.com/#!5777023/charlie-sheen-is-going-to-haiti-with-sean-penn)
http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/7/2011/03/0304_pennsheen.jpg
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