Pope: jews didnt kill jesus

[AndreaGail]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_eu/eu_vatican_jews

VATICAN CITY – Pope Benedict XVI has made a sweeping exoneration of the Jewish people for the death of Jesus Christ, tackling one of the most controversial issues in Christianity in a new book.

In "Jesus of Nazareth-Part II" excerpts released Wednesday, Benedict explains biblically and theologically why there is no basis in Scripture for the argument that the Jewish people as a whole were responsible for Jesus' death.

Interpretations to the contrary have been used for centuries to justify the persecution of Jews.

While the Catholic Church has for five decades taught that Jews weren't collectively responsible, Jewish scholars said Wednesday the argument laid out by the German-born pontiff, who has had his share of mishaps with Jews, was a landmark statement from a pope that would help fight anti-Semitism today.

"Holocaust survivors know only too well how the centuries-long charge of 'Christ killer' against the Jews created a poisonous climate of hate that was the foundation of anti-Semitic persecution whose ultimate expression was realized in the Holocaust," said Elan Steinberg of the American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors and their Descendants.

The pope's book, he said, not only confirms church teaching refuting the deicide charge "but seals it for a new generation of Catholics."

The Catholic Church issued its most authoritative teaching on the issue in its 1965 Second Vatican Council document "Nostra Aetate," which revolutionized the church's relations with Jews by saying Christ's death could not be attributed to Jews as a whole at the time or today.

Benedict comes to the same conclusion, but he explains how with a thorough, Gospel-by-Gospel analysis that leaves little doubt that he deeply and personally believes it to be the case: That only a few Temple leaders and a small group of supporters were primarily responsible for Christ's crucifixion.

That Benedict is a theologian makes "this statement from the Holy See that much more significant for now and for future generations," said Anti-Defamation League national director, Abraham H. Foxman.

Foxman in a statement hailed Benedict for rejecting "the previous teachings and perversions that have helped to foster and reinforce anti-Semitism through the centuries."

The book is the second installment to Benedict's 2007 "Jesus of Nazareth," his first book as pope, which offered a very personal meditation on the early years of Christ's life and teachings. This second book, set to be released March 10, concerns the final part of Christ's life, his death and resurrection.

The Vatican's publishers provided a few excerpts Wednesday.

In the book, Benedict re-enacts Jesus' final hours, including his death sentence for blasphemy, then analyzes each Gospel account to explain why Jews as a whole cannot be blamed for it. Rather, Benedict concludes, it was the "Temple aristocracy" and a few supporters of the figure Barabbas who were responsible.

"How could the whole people have been present at this moment to clamor for Jesus' death?" Benedict asks.

He deconstructs one particular biblical account which has the crowd saying, "His blood be on us and on our children" — a phrase frequently cited as evidence of the collective guilt Jews bore and the curse that they carried as a result.

The phrase, from the Gospel of Matthew, has been so incendiary that director Mel Gibson was reportedly forced to drop it from the subtitles of his 2004 film "The Passion of the Christ," although it remained in the spoken Aramaic.

But Benedict said Jesus' death wasn't about punishment, but rather salvation. Jesus' blood, he said, "does not cry out for vengeance and punishment, it brings reconciliation. It is not poured out against anyone, it is poured out for many, for all."

Benedict, who was forced to join the Hitler Youth as a child in Nazi Germany, has made improving relations with Jews a priority of his pontificate. He has visited the Auschwitz Nazi death camp in Poland and Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial.

But he also has had a few missteps that have drawn the ire of Jewish groups, most notably when in 2009 he lifted the excommunication of a traditionalist Catholic bishop who had denied the extent of the Holocaust by saying no Jews were gassed during World War II.

Benedict has said that had he known Bishop Richard Williamson's views about Jews he never would have lifted the excommunication, which was imposed in 1988 because Williamson was consecrated without papal consent. Williamson is a member of the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X, which has rejected many Vatican II teachings, including the outreach to Jews contained in Nostra Aetate.

Separately, Jewish groups have been outraged that Benedict is moving Pope Pius XII closer to beatification, the first main hurdle to possible sainthood. Some Jews and historians have argued the World War II-era pope should have done more to prevent the Holocaust.

The Rev. James Martin, a Jesuit who writes frequently about spirituality, said the pope's new book was a "ringing reaffirmation" of Nostra Aetate, which was passed during the Second Vatican Council, with the pope putting his "personal stamp on it in a way that's irrefutable."

"A Vatican Council is the highest teaching authority of the church," Martin said. "Now that you have the pope's reflections underlining it, I don't know how much more authoritative you can get."

Rabbi David Rosen, head of interreligious affairs at the American Jewish Committee and a leader of Vatican-Jewish dialogue, said the pope's book may make a bigger, more lasting mark than Nostra Aetate because the faithful tend to read Scripture and commentary more than church documents, particularly old church documents.

"It may be an obvious thing for Jews to present texts with commentaries, but normally with church magisterium, they present a document," he said. "This is a pedagogical tool that he's providing, so people will be able to interpret the text in keeping with orthodox Vatican teaching."

Foxman put it another way, saying the pontiff's book translates Nostra Aetate "down to the pews."

[Ponce]

We create our own Gods and saints and the placed them on pedestals before which we kneel and pray to them......looks to me like the world has choosen the "Jews" as their savior.......a savior that will saved them by killing them.

[LuckyStrike]

The pope is a pussy.

[General of Darkness]

The pope is a pussy.


I'm beginning to think that the pope is a jew or at least a servant of Satan.

Double 666's

http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/Images/034_ComicPope1.jpg

Satanic hand gestures.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_j6dN9Xk_xSQ/SzkxnRXcZjI/AAAAAAAAAhg/EfJn9X4x_tA/s640/pope.jpg

[MAGNES]

They themselves in their own works take credit for it.
And for torturing him. And they have all sorts of nasty
things to say about him post all this in their own works.

Don't have handy links for this but it is out there.

[Book]

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/static/blogs/20090511102048.jpg

http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/pope-benedict-shimon-peres.jpg?w=500&h=364

http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Pope+Benedict+XVI+Visits+Yad+Vashem+Holocaust+AFje KGGVcsel.jpg

http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2009/0905/yad_vashem_0511.jpg

[sirgonzo420]

heh


explains the yarmulke



:D

[ximmy]

Let's blame the Muslims... LOL

[MAGNES]

The Israeli Supreme Court, a Masonic Temple and full of Anti Christian Occult Imagery.

Built right near the location of Jesus Christs Crucifixion I am told by people that have
personally visited, who can verify this.

http://www.abidemiracles.com/555701.htm

http://www.abidemiracles.com/images/babylonillum2/58_01supremecourt.jpeg

more
http://www.google.com/images?q=israeli+supreme+court&hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=

http://www.abidemiracles.com/images/babylonillum2/58_02invertedcross.jpeg
The larger circle you see at the bottom of the picture is an inverted-cross designed to walk on.
It is the only religious emblem designed to be trampled on under foot.

[sirgonzo420]

Let's blame the Muslims... LOL



Or Mel Gibson....



http://urbanlegends.about.com/cs/celebrities/a/gibson_cameo.htm


Mel Gibson's hand is the one that puts the nail in Jesus' hand — symbolic of the fact that he holds himself accountable first and foremost for Christ's death. Gibson's feet also appear in sandals when Mary Magdalene reaches out for Jesus.

And a similar account appeared in the March 8, 2004 issue of People magazine, which is known for its scrupulous fact-checking:

Why isn't Gibson in the movie?
He is, but briefly. It's the director's left hand nailing Jesus to the cross. The cameo is more than a Hitchcokian gimmick. Gibson feels his telling of the Passion holds all humanity responsible for the death of Jesus. And, he has said, "I'm first on line for culpability. I did it."

[ximmy]

Let's blame the Muslims... LOL



Or Mel Gibson....



http://urbanlegends.about.com/cs/celebrities/a/gibson_cameo.htm


Mel Gibson's hand is the one that puts the nail in Jesus' hand — symbolic of the fact that he holds himself accountable first and foremost for Christ's death. Gibson's feet also appear in sandals when Mary Magdalene reaches out for Jesus.

And a similar account appeared in the March 8, 2004 issue of People magazine, which is known for its scrupulous fact-checking:

Why isn't Gibson in the movie?
He is, but briefly. It's the director's left hand nailing Jesus to the cross. The cameo is more than a Hitchcokian gimmick. Gibson feels his telling of the Passion holds all humanity responsible for the death of Jesus. And, he has said, "I'm first on line for culpability. I did it."


Had to be those anti-semites...

[Antonio]

The pope is a pussy.


I didn`t know they allowed pussies into Hitlerjugend.

[Book]

Too funny. The jewish ADL and ACLU sue if any mention is made whatsoever about Christmas in public schools and in public places.

They love Jesus.

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[Cebu_4_2]

Nice Binoculars!

http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/Images/034_ComicPope1.jpg

[Awoke]

It is obvious that he is a crypto jew and an will be declared anti-pope. It might take generations, but this cycle is not new.

This message that the "pope" delivered, that "The jews didn't kill Jesus" is exactly what they were trying to achieve in the 2nd Vatican council.

I would refer you all to read chapter 7 "The deicide people" from the book "The Plot against the Church", which can be found here: www.catholicvoice.co.uk/pinay/


Some other quotes, not from chapter 7




Many patriots who defend their nations or the Church against Jewish Imperialism and its Freemasonic or Communist revolutions are accused of race hatred and anti-semitism. If this renowned Pope had lived in our time and the no less renowned Council of the Lateran had taken place today, they would undoubtedly have been accused as Nazis and condemned on account of race hate and anti-semitism by those cardinals and prelates who, like those who then supported the worshippers of Lucifer and other Jewish heresies, stand today in the service of the enemies of Christ and His Holy Church.

Therefore the aims planned in secret assemblies of the synagogue and of Communism are so dangerous, which wish to have the next Vatican Council condemn race hatred and anti-semitism. For if the Jewish solution is entered into, Holy Church could seem to contradict itself and assert that what it had previously held to be good is now bad. This carries the serious danger that the confidence of the faithful in it is shattered. But that is a matter of indifference to the agents of Jewry in the higher clergy, since they particularly wish that the religious faith of Catholics is shattered and the churches gradually stand empty.

We are certain that the Fathers of the Council, as far as this is concerned, will proceed with greatest foresight and will study exhaustively the Papal Bulls, the Ecumenical Councils, the doctrine of the Fathers and Saints, who held the struggle against the Jews for good and necessary, in order not to envelop themselves in contradictions which fatally damage Holy Church. They will doubtless have to overcome the violent resistance of the “Jewish Fifth Column” in the clergy which has stretched out its powerful feelers after the bishops’ offices and the cardinals’ collegium. But we believe that in this, as on similar occasions, the good will triumph over the evil with the help of God.







Divine support became evident a further time, when this recent conspiracy was destroyed, which had reached into the highest circles of Holy Church. This example is very actual; for as we have experienced, the Israelites planned far more weighty acts against the second Vatican Council (1963), when they use the holy zeal of faith for Christian unity and talks with the Jews, in order to attempt to attain that decisions were made relating to the Hebrews that would not only contradict the doctrine that has been defended by Holy Church over centuries but would also, in almost imperceptible form for the great majority of the Council fathers, represent a silent condemnation of the policy that had been maintained over 1500 years by the earlier Popes and Councils.



There are better quotes but I can't spend more time searching the 600+ page book right now.

[chad]

this is the most fucking ridiculous thing i have read in a long time. who did it then, eskimos?

[Awoke]

What does the New Testament have to say about this, Pope benedict?

Let's look:
This first quote is from the pages provided in The Plot against the Church, so I can't say what version of bible it is.




4. Pilate therefore went forth again, and saith unto them, ‘Behold, I bring Him forth to you, that ye may know that I find no fault in Him.

5. Then came Jesus forth, wearing the crown of thorns, and the purple robe. And Pilate saith unto them, ‘Behold the man!’

6. When the chief priests therefore and officers saw Him, they cried out, saying, ‘Crucify him, crucify him.’ Pilate saith unto them, ‘Take ye him, and crucify him: for I find no fault in him.’

7. The Jews answered him, ‘We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God!’





15. But they cried out, ‘Away with him, away with him, crucify him.’ Pilate saith unto them, ‘Shall I crucify your King?’ The chief priests answered, ‘We have no king but Caesar.’

16. Then delivered he Him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led Him away.

17. And He bearing His cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew, Golgotha:

18. Where they crucified Him, and two others with Him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.”



From the Douay Rheims version:




[17] They therefore being gathered together, Pilate said: Whom will you that I release to you, Barabbas, or Jesus that is called Christ?
[18] For he knew that for envy they had delivered him.
[19] And as he was sitting in the place of judgment, his wife sent to him, saying: Have thou nothing to do with that just man; for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him.
[20] But the chief priests and ancients persuaded the people, that they should ask for Barabbas, and take Jesus away.
[21] And the governor answering, said to them: Whether will you of the two to be released unto you? But they said, Barabbas.
[22] Pilate saith to them: What shall I do then with Jesus that is called Christ? They say all: Let him be crucified.
[23] The governor said to them: Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying: Let him be crucified.
[24] And Pilate seeing that he prevailed nothing, but that rather a tumult was made; taking water washed his hands before the people, saying: I am innocent of the blood of this just man; look you to it.
[25] And the whole people answering, said: His blood be upon us and our children.
[26] Then he released to them Barabbas, and having scourged Jesus, delivered him unto them to be crucified. [27]

[Awoke]

Sorry to be posting in this thread so aggresively, but I want to make it clear that this was the SOLE PURPOSE behind 2nd vatican council:

To change Church doctrine regarding the role of the jew in the murder of Christ, so as to make the Church contradict itself and therefore lose validity in the eyes of the faithful and the faithless alike.

That was the agenda from teh beginning, even at first Vatican council, but in that case the Lord intervened cause the council to be disbanded before the 5th column could bring about its destructive changes.

The "Pope" has completed the work that they set out on 2000 years ago. This is important. We are approaching the apex more rapidly now. Things will speed up now, I think.

[vacuum]

I think I can see where the pope's argument is coming from. He is saying that yes jews did kill him, but they did not represent the will jewish people. The problem with his theological argument is that it could only be true if Jesus was a regular guy and not a prophet. All prophets in the bible were representatives who brought a certain message to the jewish people, as a whole. So either Jesus was a prophet and brought his message to the people and was killed, as many other prophets were, or he wasn't actually a prophet and wasn't divine and succumbed a few extremists who didn't like him. Can't be both.

[StreetsOfGold]

The pope is a pussy.


I'm beginning to think that the pope is a jew or at least a servant of Satan.

Double 666's

http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/Images/034_ComicPope1.jpg

Satanic hand gestures.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_j6dN9Xk_xSQ/SzkxnRXcZjI/AAAAAAAAAhg/EfJn9X4x_tA/s640/pope.jpg


End your "thinking" and resort to the fact that he IS

[LuckyStrike]

I can't get this to embed but it's well worth a watch.

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[Panoptimist]

Do your homework: http://www.archive.org/details/JudaismAndTheVatican (Read it and weep.)

[Awoke]

Do your homework: http://www.archive.org/details/JudaismAndTheVatican (Read it and weep.)


Thank you. The information is not new to me, but that particular book is new to me.

[Santa]

This is a problem that's been bugging me for a long time. Since my Lutheran confirmation class as a child, in fact.
I'm probably smacking a hornets nest, but here's my rhetorical question.

How could any group, whether Jew or Pagan or even demons in the flesh have "murdered" Christ?

It doesn't make any spiritual sense for a Christian to believe such a thing is even possible.

Wouldn't it be true to say there would be no such thing as Christianity if Jesus hadn't given His life to someone?

Jesus Christ is Lord and he gave His life for our sins, right? Isn't that the very basis of Christianity?
He knew full well what His future held. It was foretold by God that it would be so. Right?

To claim He was "murdered" seems to me to be antithetical to the premise of Christianity itself.

If you say Jesus was "murdered" then you're saying or sort of accepting through implication that God didn't lay out in advance the plan to Save mankind.

If Jesus is God, then no one can murder Jesus. It's an absurdity.

It holds the same credibility as saying God is dead because Nietzsche said so.

This whole notion that Jesus was murdered has been used by TPTB to foment division for nearly 2000 years.
Division between Christians and Jews. Between Christians and Muslims. Between Christians and Pagans.

I'm not suggesting that Jews haven't wormed their way to the top. They have... and they've learned how to lie and cheat and war to get there,... and so have so called Christians and Pagans and atheists.

But wouldn't that also be Gods will?

And if it is indeed Gods will, then why be pissed off about any of it?

Shouldn't simply being Christian, or rather being secure in the knowledge of Jesus Christ our Lords Salvation be sufficient comfort? Isn't that the point?

I'm not trying to suggest that I'm not horrified by much of what goes on. I am. The poisoning of the earth, transhumanism, endless war, weaponizing the weather, Mossad, CIA, MIC, etc... the list of horrors seems endless,...

I constantly have to remind myself.... it's gonna be ok.

[Panoptimist]

Do your homework: http://www.archive.org/details/JudaismAndTheVatican (Read it and weep.)


Thank you. The information is not new to me, but that particular book is new to me.


In my opinion his work should be mandatory reading on the syllabus. I haven't been able to find a physical copy of that book, but his Freemasonry & Judaism and Freemasonry & The Vatican have a comfortable home on my shelf. Hope you find something in it that is informative.

[Awoke]

I'm sure I will, Panoptimist.

Santa, yes.
Christ was crucified and died, for the purpose of acting as the ultimate sacrifice on our behalf. This is the basis of Christianity, and it was prophesied in the Old Testament. It was the divine plan of God, and carried out the way it was meant to carry out.

But it doesn't mean he wasn't murdered. He was. In fact, he was tortured as a prelude to his murder. Our pretty society doesn't like to face uncomfortable realities these days, but that is the reality of it.

[Book]

To claim He was "murdered" seems to me to be antithetical to the premise of Christianity itself.

If you say Jesus was "murdered" then you're saying or sort of accepting through implication that God didn't lay out in advance the plan to Save mankind.



http://www.corrupt.org/drupal/files/images/passion_of_the_christ.jpg

Looks like a murder crime scene to me. You claiming suicide or infanticide by his Dad?

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[dys]

Churches are very dangerous places these days. The bad guys infiltrated them a long time ago. I'm sure there are good ones out there, but I guarantee they are constantly under attack.

dys

[Large Sarge]

Jews seem to be better at thinking (especially independently), I am not saying they are smarter, shrewder is perhaps a better word.

Anyway i used to be on the "blame the jews" game, no more.

the sad fact is that most people (jew and gentile) do not think (or do not think/reason well)

"thinking is hard work, thats why so few do it" (believe that was henry ford)

anyway, Jews use deception/trickery, and they play on the fact that most people cannot/or will not think reason.

its a twisted relationship, but it takes 2 to dance.

get rid of the jews and their deception/trickery, you still have a large non-thinking population....

in other words, if more people could think and reason, then none of this is possible

and the most important point is that most all of these scams are done by free will

I like the example

I sell you some ocean front property in Arizona (I am the jew in this example, though I am not really jewish...LOL)

and you decide to buy it without even looking at it (You are the gentile/goyim in this example LOL)

well, who is really at fault here?

see my point?

[Book]

Anyway i used to be on the "blame the jews" game, no more.



http://www.rtcol.com/~kreft/biblestories/images/Moneychangers.gif

Imagine if Jesus attacked the Jew FED Money Changers today in 2011:

1) Abe Foxman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abe_Foxman) of the ADL would hold the nails and yell ANTI-SEMITE!

2) Alan Dershowitz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Dershowitz) would swing the hammer and yell SELF-HATING JEW!

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[Horn]

Imagine if Jesus attacked the Jew FED Money Changers today in 2011:


Do you really think he'd be so stupid as to do that a second time?

[Bullion_Bob]

FACT: He not only looks the other way, but covers up when children are raped.

Just remember what religion pounded into people's heads for millenia: The world is the center of the universe, everything revolves around the world. Do not question this, or you will be publicly ruined, and thrown in jail for life.

The invisible man says so, because radical nutter priest's use pens and ink, and change the story to suit their agenda.

Hallelujah!

[Large Sarge]

I guess I realized at some point that in any equation/problem, the only side I can really control is my own

the old adage about "sweeping your own side of the street"

anyway you will never change the jews, and how they do things. (sweeping the other side of the street).

anyway the only thing each of us can control is our own reasoning, due diligence, control of emotions, etc

otherwise we become a flouridated tv zombie, and part of the herd.

you want to turn things around?

give out gravity water filter w/ flouride attachments on them for christmas, birthdays, etc

help stop the poisoning, so people can think a little more clearly.

in the meantime, its fine to let off a little steam about the latest crime/scandal (the gulf oil disaster had me quite upset for awhile, and I am not over it yet)

but at the end of the day we all can only sweep our own side of the street

[Antonio]

but at the end of the day we all can only sweep our own side of the street



Sarge, you current thinking is incredibly similar to that of the most sober of Russian political minds today. Learning jewology is a must, the more you learn the more you realize that there is no getting rid of Jews, no more than you can get rid of gravity. All we can do is adapt and sweep the hell out of our side of the street.

[vacuum]

This is a problem that's been bugging me for a long time. Since my Lutheran confirmation class as a child, in fact.
I'm probably smacking a hornets nest, but here's my rhetorical question.

How could any group, whether Jew or Pagan or even demons in the flesh have "murdered" Christ?

It doesn't make any spiritual sense for a Christian to believe such a thing is even possible.

Wouldn't it be true to say there would be no such thing as Christianity if Jesus hadn't given His life to someone?

Jesus Christ is Lord and he gave His life for our sins, right? Isn't that the very basis of Christianity?
He knew full well what His future held. It was foretold by God that it would be so. Right?

The jews were supposed to be a spiritually advanced group of people who were to lead the rest of the world down the path of salvation. If christ had succeeded in saving the jews, they would have in turn led the world in a supremely positive direction, instead of the supremely negative direction they currently lead it. He died to save us in spite of them.

[mick silver]

what does the pope have to gain by saying this ?

[Book]

what does the pope have to gain by saying this ?



Bank of International Settlements will unfreeze the Vatican account.

:D

[mick silver]

but we still know hes full of pope shit

[Mouse]

but we still know hes full of pope shit


Only in the woods.....

[silver solution]

This is a problem that's been bugging me for a long time. Since my Lutheran confirmation class as a child, in fact.
I'm probably smacking a hornets nest, but here's my rhetorical question.

How could any group, whether Jew or Pagan or even demons in the flesh have "murdered" Christ?

It doesn't make any spiritual sense for a Christian to believe such a thing is even possible.

Wouldn't it be true to say there would be no such thing as Christianity if Jesus hadn't given His life to someone?

Jesus Christ is Lord and he gave His life for our sins, right? Isn't that the very basis of Christianity?
He knew full well what His future held. It was foretold by God that it would be so. Right?

To claim He was "murdered" seems to me to be antithetical to the premise of Christianity itself.

If you say Jesus was "murdered" then you're saying or sort of accepting through implication that God didn't lay out in advance the plan to Save mankind.

If Jesus is God, then no one can murder Jesus. It's an absurdity.

It holds the same credibility as saying God is dead because Nietzsche said so.

This whole notion that Jesus was murdered has been used by TPTB to foment division for nearly 2000 years.
Division between Christians and Jews. Between Christians and Muslims. Between Christians and Pagans.

I'm not suggesting that Jews haven't wormed their way to the top. They have... and they've learned how to lie and cheat and war to get there,... and so have so called Christians and Pagans and atheists.

But wouldn't that also be Gods will?

And if it is indeed Gods will, then why be pissed off about any of it?

Shouldn't simply being Christian, or rather being secure in the knowledge of Jesus Christ our Lords Salvation be sufficient comfort? Isn't that the point?

I'm not trying to suggest that I'm not horrified by much of what goes on. I am. The poisoning of the earth, transhumanism, endless war, weaponizing the weather, Mossad, CIA, MIC, etc... the list of horrors seems endless,...

I constantly have to remind myself.... it's gonna be ok.



They had a choice. They could stop their evil right then and there crown Jesus King and he would led the world over time to unite as one people under the Laws of God.

They chose murder so they could stay rich and powerful.

So yes the joos murdered Jesus for power, control and profit.

[silver solution]

Imagine if Jesus attacked the Jew FED Money Changers today in 2011:


Do you really think he'd be so stupid as to do that a second time?
God does not change so if he is back here right now sure he would.

This time there will be different out come if you believe the Bible.

[silver solution]

I guess I realized at some point that in any equation/problem, the only side I can really control is my own

the old adage about "sweeping your own side of the street"

anyway you will never change the jews, and how they do things. (sweeping the other side of the street).

anyway the only thing each of us can control is our own reasoning, due diligence, control of emotions, etc

otherwise we become a flouridated tv zombie, and part of the herd.

you want to turn things around?

give out gravity water filter w/ flouride attachments on them for christmas, birthdays, etc

help stop the poisoning, so people can think a little more clearly.

in the meantime, its fine to let off a little steam about the latest crime/scandal (the gulf oil disaster had me quite upset for awhile, and I am not over it yet)

but at the end of the day we all can only sweep our own side of the street

God said He would sweep the street for you if you started the project. Its in Malachi if men stand up he will finish off the people he hates. 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in The Day that I shall do [this], saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts.

[Horn]

God does not change so if he is back here right now sure he would.

This time there will be different out come if you believe the Bible.


Hypocrisy of insanity.

[Awoke]

what does the pope have to gain by saying this ?


The jews gain from this.

This has been the number one agenda in the plot against the Church: Make it jew friendly, when they are true enemy of Christ himself.

You are seeing the destruction of the Church with you very own eyes. This action by the anti-pope completely vindicates everything I have ever said regarding the jewish 5th column in the bosom of the Church.

[JDRock]

The pope is a pussy.


I'm beginning to think that the pope is a jew or at least a servant of Satan.

Double 666's

http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/Images/034_ComicPope1.jpg

Satanic hand gestures.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_j6dN9Xk_xSQ/SzkxnRXcZjI/AAAAAAAAAhg/EfJn9X4x_tA/s640/pope.jpg


very astute...the papacy has been controlled for decades by the man known as THE BLACK POPE his name? peter heinz KOLVENBACH...a full blooded jew.

[PatColo]

POPE PLACATES ADL:
JEWS NOT GUILTY FOR CRUCIFIXION (http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/arejewsstillguiltyofcrucifix.htm)

By Rev. Ted Pike
6 Mar 11

In his recent book, Pope Benedict XXVI attempts to end anti-Semitism and placate the Jews by literally "pontificating" that the Jewish people during the Crucifixion, and now, bear no guilt for the death of Christ. Only a tiny minority representing the Jewish leaders and a vocal minority, Benedict asserts, were ever blameworthy. ADL's Abe Foxman congratulates the Pope: "Pope Benedict has rejected the previous teachings and perversions that have helped to foster and reinforce anti-Semitism through the centuries. The fact that this Pope is a theologian, and has served as a defender of the faith, makes this statement from the Holy See that much more significant for now and for future generations...."

What is the true Biblical and ethical answer to the question of Jewish complicity in the death of Christ? Read my reprint from 2010 and find out.



ARE JEWS TODAY GUILTY FOR THE CRUCIFIXION? (http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/arejewsstillguiltyofcrucifix.htm)

By Rev. Ted Pike
5 Aug 10

Abraham Foxman, of the Anti-Defamation League, recently pronounced that acceptance of the New Testament record that the Jews had Christ killed is “anti-Semitic.” This implicates tens of millions of Bible-believing Christians worldwide. With ADL’s charge comes the necessity, especially for Christians, to reexamine the issue of who is to blame for the crucifixion.

Scripture teaches no one is guilty for the sins of another. We all enter the world innocent of the misdeeds of our parents. This includes every Jewish child.

Yet the Bible also teaches we can become guilty of the sin of another by sympathy with it. Christ said the Pharisees were guilty of the murder of Abel and all righteous blood from the beginning of the world. (Mat. 23:35) Why? Because the Pharisees persecuted righteousness. Had they been present in the time of Abel, they would have murdered Abel. Thus, according to Christ, it is possible to become spiritually guilty of a sin, such as murder or adultery, even without physically committing the act. The will is there. All that is lacking is the opportunity.

Modern or rabbinic Judaism is a product of those very Pharisees whom Christ excoriated, and who ultimately had Him crucified. The authoritative Universal Jewish Encyclopedia explains:

"The Jewish religion as it is today traces its descent without a break through all the centuries from the Pharisees. Their leading ideas and methods found expression in a literature of enormous extent, of which a great deal is still in existence.. The Talmud is the largest and most important single piece of that literature.." The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, Article on "Pharisaism," p. 474

If a Jewish child is born into an Orthodox Jewish family, he innocently enters a religious system entirely obedient to those who masterminded the crucifixion of Jesus. The Pharisees and their vast, rambling "anti-bible", the Talmud, possess greater authority for religious Jews than does the Old Testament. As the Universal Jewish Encyclopedia confirms: "Thus the ultimate authority for Orthodoxy is the Babylonian Talmud. The Bible itself ranks second to it in reality, if not in theory." Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, "Authority" p. 637.

What does the Talmud teach about Jesus? It says He seduced and deceived the people. Git.56b-57a. He was a bastard, his mother Mary being a whore. San.106b. He practiced sorcery and enticed His race to apostasy. San.43a. He was a fool. San.67a. He was stoned, burned, decapitated and strangled in His death. San. 106b, Git.57a. He was excommunicated for the thought of seducing a woman and in His shame fell down and worshipped a brick. San.107b. He is now in hell, languishing in boiling hot semen. Git.56a. The Talmud is emphatic that it was necessary to kill Jesus because He was "one of the three worst enemies of Judaism." Git.56a. He was a false prophet who seduced and deceived the people. Git.56b-57a.

Is the modern Jew guilty of the death of Christ? The answer is simple. If he agrees with the Talmud that the Pharisees did the right thing by having Jesus crucified, then that Jew today is as guilty as the Jewish mob that sided with the Pharisees 2,000 years ago, shouting "Crucify Him, crucify Him." Mk. 15:13. If, however, the modern Jew disassociates himself from loyalty to the Pharisees and their claims against Christ, then he is free from any guilt.

The New Testament Gospels present in clearest terms successful efforts by the Pharisees to persuade the Romans to crucify Christ. In the Book of Acts, the disciples, in face to face rebuke of the Pharisees, insistently identify them as the culprits: "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on the cross." Acts 5:30; cf. Acts 2:22, 36; 3:13-15; 4:10.

Unfortunately, amid the shock waves of Mel Gibson's "Passion," many evangelical Christian leaders rushed forward to absolve all Jews of any spiritual guilt concerning the crucifixion. They declared, as many evangelicals believe, that we are all guilty of the crucifixion. The idea of "corporate guilt" for Christ's death is unknown to Scripture. While we "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God" (Rom. 3:23), we have not all crucified Jesus. Such pandering not only makes God's law of none effect, it attempts to free the Jews from a burden of guilt they themselves invited. To hasten the crucifixion of Christ, the Jewish leaders said, "His blood be upon us and upon our children." Mk. 27:25. All adult Jews who still support the Pharisaic system which crucified Christ are thus linked in spiritual guilt with those who actively accomplished the act.

Of course, anyone, such as a gentile Satanist, who approves of the crucifixion, or a Christian who becomes apostate (Heb. 6:6), is spiritually guilty of crucifying Christ. Rabbinic Judaism however, because it constitutes the "synagogue of Satan" (Rev. 2:9) uniquely incurs blame for Christ's death upon all Jews who give themselves to it.

During the past century, Jewish apologists, for purposes of ecumenical harmony with Christians, have referred to Jesus in such terms as "a great teacher." Such a description is found nowhere in rabbinic Judaism's most sacred repository of authority, the Babylonian Talmud. Rabbinic Judaism, despite efforts to whitewash it, remains of all great religions (including Islam) the most vehemently opposed to the claims of Christ. To be a religious, observant Jew is to embrace the Talmud and its blasphemous opinion of Christ.

Someday, the Bible teaches, a remnant of Jews out of the Great Tribulation will believe on the One their fathers crucified. Yet for the present, the church must heed Christ's warning to "Beware of the leaven (teaching) of the Pharisees." Matt. 16:6. In other words: Beware of Judaism. Paul also warns the church, referring to unbelieving Jews as "enemies" (Rom. 11:28) "...who both killed the Lord Jesus and prophets, and drove us out. They are not pleasing to God, but hostile to all men." I Thess. 2:15

The Jews were given transcendent spiritual light, first at Sinai, and then through their prophets. When they rejected that light, they were plunged into incredible darkness. While individual Jews may not necessarily be held guilty of such apostasy, the fact is Jewish leadership and institutions remain formidably opposed to Christianity. Moses warned the Jews that if they rejected God's law, they would be cursed above all nations. Deut. 28:15. They not only rejected God's law, but crucified its giver, Jesus Christ. Christ said that the House of Israel, after its rejection of Him, would be left desolate. Lk.13:35.

Today, no evangelical leader has the privilege of removing guilt from Jews who still reject their Messiah and embrace the teaching of His murderers. Christ has both a long-standing love-affair and quarrel with the Jewish nation. He will settle that quarrel some day on His own terms, at last obtaining faith, obedience, and righteousness from what scripture repeatedly describes as a "stiff-necked people."

Such a people now control Hollywood and America's media. They dominate Congress. They dictate America's foreign policy in the Middle East. They are the fountainhead of anti-Christian activity and legislation, including so-called "anti-hate" laws which strip Christians of free speech. In short, they are more determined than ever that Christ will never prevail. Yet in the end, Christ will have righteousness from His people, the Jews. "They will look on Him whom they pierced and they will mourn ... as one mourns for an only son." Zech. 12:10.


Edit to add Ted Pike's 3/6/11 pretext at the top.

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And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

John 4:3

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