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Book
3rd March 2011, 08:35 AM
The case for Book of Mormon socialism

By TROY WILLIAMS
Published: February 26, 2011 12:15AM
Updated: March 1, 2011 03:23PM

Whether one accepts the historical or theological claims of the Book of Mormon, one theme in it is obvious: At their most righteous, the Nephites presented in the book were benevolent socialists; at their most depraved, they were greedy free-market capitalists.

In the zenith of Nephite culture, “the Lord called his people Zion because they were of one heart and one mind and they did have all things in common — and there were no poor among them.” Having “all things in common” suggests a society invested in public infrastructure and welfare for the whole.

Redistribution is not an anomaly in Mormon scriptures. Joseph Smith declared that “It is not given that one man should possess that which is above another, wherefore the world lieth in sin.” (Doctrine and Covenants 49:20).

For any conservative this is surely commie talk! Yet Smith persisted, “If you are not equal in earthly things ye cannot be equal in obtaining heavenly things” (D&C 78:5-6).

Early Mormon leaders advocated a United Order to redistribute wealth for the benefit of all Saints.

Though redistribution is the highest economic order in Mormon scripture, Sen. Chris Buttars vehemently denounced Alpine School District for allegedly advocating “democratic socialism.” He, Mitt Romney, Glenn Beck and others seem to believe that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has a de facto 14th Article of Faith: We believe in the unquestioned virtue of unregulated capitalism.

But Mormon scripture makes such a belief indefensible. The notorious villains of Nephite civilization were the Gadianton Robbers, who perpetuated policies that exacerbated class inequality. They eventually “did obtain the sole management of the government, insomuch that they did trample under their feet and smite and rend and turn their backs upon the poor and the meek, and the humble followers of God” (Helaman 6:39).

Many politically powerful Latter-day Saints have also turned their back on the poor and working class in this country. The Patrick Henry Caucus, Eagle Forum and Romney are determined to eliminate the very social programs that have traditionally protected vulnerable populations. Conversely, they are equally invested in protecting the wealthy.

They demand fiscal austerity but are unwilling to fairly tax the super rich. They demand the poor make sacrifices, but are unwilling to end corporate welfare and tax loopholes that keep big business from sharing the burden. They want to cut public funding for education, arts and health care but remain unwilling to defund our military occupations abroad.

They denounce socialism but have no problem when the redistribution of public wealth goes upward into private hands. Gadianton himself would feel right at home amidst Utah’s GOP.

My reading of the Book of Mormon is not idiosyncratic. As a missionary in England I met many Mormon socialists with testimonies of the scriptural admonition for equality. They saw in their sacred texts a spiritual rationale to support their own government programs, including their prized National Health Service.

They actually believe the admonition of Jesus, “Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.” Matthew 25:40.

Fair-minded Latter-day Saints must reclaim their sacred texts from free-market fundamentalists. Don’t be taken in by the right-wing performance art of a hysterical Glenn Beck. Americans can support both a robust market economy and sustainable safety nets for the meek and humble. But it will require that corporations and affluent citizens invest deeply in public infrastructure.

The Book of Mormon narrative, regardless of its historicity, admonishes contemporary Latter-day Saints to reject riches and to care for the poor and needy. Democratic socialism is the very essence of Mormon theology and scripture. It is our common quest for Zion.

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dys
6th March 2011, 10:54 AM
Mormonism is very closely related to the new age movement. Mormonism is also closely related to Catholicism and even Alcoholics Anonomous. One of the givaways of any new age movement is a 'blame the victim' mentality. The mentality is made possible via the tactics of scapegoating and blameshifting.

dys

sirgonzo420
6th March 2011, 11:14 AM
Mormonism is very closely related to the new age movement. Mormonism is also closely related to Catholicism and even Alcoholics Anonomous. One of the givaways of any new age movement is a 'blame the victim' mentality. The mentality is made possible via the tactics of scapegoating and blameshifting.

dys


Mormonism also gets much of its ritual from Freemasonry.

Book
6th March 2011, 11:39 AM
Mormonism also gets much of its ritual from Freemasonry.



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Mormon Zion. Kinda jewey in an obvious way but you keep playing that Masonic card. BTW...Masons forbid Mormon members in Utah.

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sirgonzo420
6th March 2011, 11:45 AM
Mormonism also gets much of its ritual from Freemasonry.



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http://img0.fkcdn.com/img/944/9781151926944.jpg

http://motleyvision.org/ldscinema/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/workglory2.jpg

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Mormon Zion. Kinda jewey in an obvious way but you keep playing that Masonic card. BTW...Masons forbid Mormon members in Utah.

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LOL

What do you mean "I keep playing that Masonic card"?

Mormonism DOES get much of its ceremony and ritual from Freemasonry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_Freemasonry

Also, apparently Mormons CAN be Masons in Utah now, not that I really care either way. lol


Today there is no formal obstacle in Utah or in any other Grand Lodge preventing Mormons from becoming Freemasons.

The dude that started Mormonism (Joseph Smith) was a Mason.


Not sure why you act like I'm hiding something or something by pointing that out.


If it makes you feel any better, a good deal of the rituals of Freemasonry are jewish in origin.

Book
6th March 2011, 12:09 PM
If it makes you feel any better, a good deal of the rituals of Freemasonry are jewish in origin.



Mormons call Utah their "Zion". They call us "Gentiles". That ain't masonic. Mormons are jew wanna-bees.

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sirgonzo420
6th March 2011, 01:01 PM
If it makes you feel any better, a good deal of the rituals of Freemasonry are jewish in origin.



Mormons call Utah their "Zion". They call us "Gentiles". That ain't masonic. Mormons are jew wanna-bees.

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So are Masons, pretty much.


Mormons also wear secret, sacred underwear. I always get a kick out of that.

osoab
6th March 2011, 07:54 PM
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s07e12-all-about-the-mormons

hoarder
6th March 2011, 08:30 PM
If Freemasonic rites and Mormon rites resemble Talmudic rites, the reason is obvious and shouldn't come as any surprise to most of us here.

We know the modus operandi of the Khazars, control all sides by leading them, lead them by creating them.
This doesn't make rank and file Masons and Mormons bad people, just gullible goyim.

Dvrumo
7th March 2011, 09:03 AM
Something the author did not include which is key and nullifys the author's whole point- joining the United Order was completely voluntary and not required. Only a small percentage of the early church's population did so. So, if one wants to join with a group of people and have "all things in common," then go for it. That is drastically different than socalist policies where I decide how to spend your money without your consent. I really see no relationship between the two. You were also free to leave the order whenever you desired. This is the catch though, you only left with what you had, not with what you brought to the order. This is where some feelings were hurt. This is how it worked. If you wanted to join the United Order, you gave all you had to the Order and then it was deeded back to you based on your needs and capabilities. So, if you came with 200 Acres, you might be deeded back 80 or if you came with none, you might be deeded 100. If you were productive with what you had, they might deed you more, and if you didnt use what you had, they might ask you to give back what you were not using. Some people got their feelings hurt when they decided it didnt work for them and they wanted to leave with what they brought to the order (and had deeded to the order). It was not theirs anymore.

I dont think there is anyway an order of this type could be started today, at least in the USA. Back then people owned their farms and houses. Today I know very few that own their properties outright. So, if you started one you would have a lotta members, but not a lot of resources for their support. The problems with trying to live this way are obvious. People being people, how do you keep your neighbors or the others in the order from living off your work and hosing you. You can't ...so it takes complete trust and trustworthy people. So, yes, I believe if you have a group of people that can live this way harmoniously, then they have probably nearly mastered many of Christ's teachings...Honest, do unto others, patience, kindness, charity, forgiveness etc. The biggest problem is that living with all things in common does not necessarily give you these attributes, but it surely requires them.

nunaem
2nd April 2011, 10:59 AM
Say what you want about Mormons, but at least they have high birthrates. That makes them better than most other Whites with their below replacement birthrates and their effective disregard for their race.

I'm sure you all have heard of 'rice Christians'. Well I'm considering becoming a 'wife/family Mormon'. Marrying any other White American woman seems to be like playing Russian roulette.