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Libertytree
4th March 2011, 02:47 PM
By Stephen Clark
Published March 03, 2011| FoxNews.com

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/03/utah-considers-return-gold-silver-coins/#ixzz1Ffpo1quu

It's been nearly 80 years since the U.S. stopped using gold coins as legal currency, and nearly 40 since the world abandoned the gold standard, but the precious metal could be making a comeback in the United States -- beginning in Utah.

The Utah House was to vote as early as Thursday on legislation that would recognize gold and silver coins issued by the federal government as legal currency in the state. The coins would not replace the current paper currency but would be used and accepted voluntarily as an alternative.

The legislation, which has 12 co-sponsors, would let Utahans pay their taxes with gold and also calls for a committee to study alternative currencies for the state. It would also exempt the sale of gold from the state capital gains tax.

The bill cleared a state legislative committee on Wednesday, the first of 13 similar bills in statehouses across the country to do so. If the bill clears the House, it would have to pass the Senate before the governor could sign it into law.

Attorney and Tea Party activist Larry Hilton, author of the original bill, said he doesn't foresee any roadblocks.

"There's enough uneasiness going on in the economy to trigger people to feel that, hey, having a little Plan B, kind of a backup system, is not a bad idea," he told FoxNews.com.

The U.S. used some version of the gold standard from 1873 until 1933, when President Franklin D. Roosevelt outlawed the private ownership of gold amid the Great Depression. An international monetary system based on a gold-exchange standard continued until 1971 when President Richard Nixon stopped the U.S. from redeeming dollars for gold altogether.

Critics of the gold standard say it limits countries' control over its monetary policy and leaves them vulnerable to financial shocks, such as the Great Depression. But supporters argue that the current financial system's dependence on the Federal Reserve exposes the value of U.S. money to the threat of inflation.

Rep. Ron Paul, a longtime critic of the Federal Reserve who has called on a return to the gold standard, has praised Hilton's efforts.

"Efforts such as yours in states around the country highlight the importantance of returning to sound money," Paul wrote in a letter to Hilton. "Even if such efforts fail to achieve legislative success on their first try, their importance lies in bringing to the public's attention the problem of the ever-weakening dollar and the necessity of returning to a sound monetary system."

Hilton said the bill before the House doesn't go as far as his original draft, which was more sweeping, including recognizing more than just U.S. minted coins and more details on specific tax treatment. But he said he's willing to take it step-by step.

He also said he's not pushing to restore the gold standard in the U.S.

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke this week dismissed the notion of the gold standard returning to the U.S.

"It did deliver price stability over long periods of time, but over shorter periods of time it caused wide swings in prices related to changes in demand or supply of gold," he told the Senate Banking Committee. "So I don't think it's a panacea."

Bernanke also said that gold couldn't return as the world standard because there's not enough gold in the world to effectively support the U.S. money supply.

Hilton said he's taking a positive approach to the issue.

"This is not an anti-dollar issue at all," he said. "We want to strengthen the dollar. We think by introducing gold and silver of our nation's history, by injecting that into the debate is very healthy for our policymakers."

Jeff Bell, a policy director for the Washington-based American Principles in Action (APPIA), which helped shape the Utah bill, told FoxNews.com that passage of the bill would send a message to Washington and other states.

"People sense that in the era of quantitative easing and zero interest rates, something has gone haywire with our monetary policy. But people are afraid to say it," said Bell, who was an adviser to Ronald Reagan's 1976 and 1980 presidential campaigns. "If one state recognizes gold as a valid currency, I think it would embolden people not just in other states but in Washington."

Bell credited Tea Party activists for advancing the legislation this far. Rep. Brad Galvez, who introduced the legislation, is a freshman legislator backed by the Tea Party.

"Saying we now recognize gold as money is a big step forward," he said.

Twelve other states have offered similar proposals: Georgia, Montana, Missouri, Colorado, Indiana, Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Tennessee, Washington, Vermont and Oklahoma.

Sparky
4th March 2011, 09:32 PM
This doesn't withstand scrutiny.

"The Utah House was to vote as early as Thursday on legislation that would recognize gold and silver coins issued by the federal government as legal currency in the state."

The only gold and silver coins issued by the government are Eagles, Gold Buffaloes, and Gold Presidential Spouses. They all have a face value of many times their metal value.

So with regard to this proposal, clearly they don't mean recognize as face value, right? Or do they? If not, do they mean spot price? So I can buy a refrigerator and pay with an ounce of gold...can't that transaction already happen if both parties are agreeable?

If you can get past those questions...why would a buyer who is wise enough to have accumulated gold in the first place be willing to exchange it for merchandise when he can pay for the same merchandise with FRNs?

I guess I just don't see how the use of gold and silver as currency has any significance until FRNs are no longer accepted. Who would spend their gold as money instead of FRNs?

hoarder
5th March 2011, 05:54 AM
The only gold and silver coins issued by the government are Eagles, Gold Buffaloes, and Gold Presidential Spouses. They all have a face value of many times their metal value.Add to that list coins issued by the goobermint in the past, like pre-1965 90% coins.

You're right, the article just doesn't add up.

beefsteak
5th March 2011, 06:27 AM
Did you know that the Mormon immigrants who settled in the Great Salt Lake area of frontier Utah had their own mint and struck coins in four different denominations of $2.50, $5, $10, and $20? Denver nor San Fran USMints were in operation at that time, and the gold was plentiful right underfoot. It took too long to ship gold to US Mint in Philly and lack thereof was hampering Utah commerce.

The Utah private mint was in operation from 1849 to 1860, using raw gold that was produced from the Nevada and California gold fields. The overall operation of the mint was supervised by Brigham Young, himself. Yes, THAT Brigham Young.

Perhaps there is more to this than meets the eye, Lib.

Thanks for the post and not just a synopsis.

Those wascaly mormons... ;D

beefsteak

mick silver
5th March 2011, 08:29 AM
beefsteak you have a web page for the coins you are talking about thanks mick

Uncle Salty
5th March 2011, 12:35 PM
Bernanke also said that gold couldn't return as the world standard because there's not enough gold in the world to effectively support the U.S. money supply.


At $100,000 an ounce it would.

What a tard.

beefsteak
5th March 2011, 01:50 PM
beefsteak you have a web page for the coins you are talking about thanks mick


I had fun looking, as these early pieces are not widely known. Best search using word Mormon in your keyword terms on your favorite browser, okay?

This is the old 1849- $20 Mormon gold piece. Cap and Eye on one side, and clasped hands on the other.

In 1860, there was a $5 Mormon gold piece. Resting Lion with Mormon secret language inscription on one side, and federalist eagle combined with beehive eagle body on the other. No pix url for you at this time. The color photos can be found in Yeoman's Red Book approximately pages 379-381

http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/UserImages/1849%20Mormon%20Twenty%20Dollars%20Smithsonian%20s mall.jpg

Shami-Amourae
26th March 2011, 09:42 PM
Does anyone know if Silver Buffaloes will count? I own a shit load of those.

Serpo
27th March 2011, 02:18 AM
"It did deliver price stability over long periods of time, but over shorter periods of time it caused wide swings in prices related to changes in demand or supply of gold," he told the Senate Banking Committee. "So I don't think it's a panacea."hahahaha

Bernanke also said that gold couldn't return as the world standard because there's not enough gold in the world to effectively support the U.S. money supply.


Theres also not enough money in the universe to support the US money supply