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Jazkal
10th March 2011, 06:06 AM
Didn't see this posted yet, lmk if it was.

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/462/380/Physical_Silver_is_Really_50_per_Ounce_80_Premium_ on_COMEX_Silver_Non-Delivery.html


Wynter_Benton update on their recent raid With permission, I can update the results of our raid. It was successful beyond imagination but that "success" has spawned even more questions about the price of paper silver going forward. It was reported by SGS that he heard that on Friday Blythe was offering 30-50 percent premium and that at least 4500 hundred contracts will stand for delivery. I am here to give you a more accurate update (and a first hand account of what happened on Friday Feb 25). Our group was detemined to stand for delivery going into Monday because we were not going to take a 30 percent premium on a price of $33.50. It was reported that Blythe offered 50 percent premium. That was not even close in our case. We got over 80 percent premium. That's right. Over $50 per contract on the condition that our group sell all our contracts. Our counterparty even threatened us with the ghost of Herstatt. They openly admitted that they could not deliver even 20 million ounces to us but that if we stood for delivery they would be sure that they make delivery to everyone else before they defaulted on us which would make us 'unsecured creditors'. They told us directly that they could not allow even 5000 contracts to stand for delivery because they could not deliver a mere 20 million ounces. Like Vito Corleone said, "I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse." And indeed we did not refuse as this was our intention all along.



These sets of facts from our traders lead us to believe that the paper price of silver may have a difficult time surpassing $36 because if the counterparty at the Comex is so willing to pay north of $50 to dissuade people from standing for delivery yet the paper price of silver is still under $35, then we suspect that losses triggered by derivatives is the main reason for the price suppression of silver. We can see no reason why they would not allow the paper price to go up yet are so glad to pay off the comex contracts to show the world that so few are standing for delivery. In our mind, Comex could default with if as little as 4,000 contracts stood for delivery. We are very curious to see how high the paper price of silver actually trades during this run. Posted by Louis Cypher"



It should now be obvious to all that silver is a fractional reserve system. Just like a fractional reserve bank, when there is more demand for the actual underlying good (i.e. silver or money) than there is a real physical supply for, it's called a "run on the bank". Those who get in line first, get their silver. Everyone else will end up as an "unsecured creditor", holding a worthless piece of paper when the music stops.

osoab
10th March 2011, 06:16 AM
http://gold-silver.us/forum/gold-silver-precious-metals/reverse-raid-on-the-crimex-silver-targets-$37-oz/

We are still looking for confirmation that people got an 80% cash premium.

chad
10th March 2011, 06:21 AM
this article is about paper contracts, not physical.

osoab
10th March 2011, 06:26 AM
this article is about paper contracts, not physical.


http://www.coinflation.com/silver_coin_values.html

I paid 24x face for some quarters yesterday from a dealer (some were fairly worn). Spot at the time was about 36.20
My local experience is on the other extreme.

Spectrism
10th March 2011, 06:38 AM
Thanks Jaz. If that report is accurate, the only thing to do is buy physical silver. At some point the system will crash with no recourse, no return from the burning paper.

chad
10th March 2011, 06:48 AM
i just re-read this and i'm calling bs. they "were determined to stand for delivery," then in the next paragraph "it was their intention to settle all along." well, which was it?

Spectrism
10th March 2011, 07:19 AM
i just re-read this and i'm calling bs. they "were determined to stand for delivery," then in the next paragraph "it was their intention to settle all along." well, which was it?


Yes- that sounds fishy. Also, getting an 80% kick for taking a buyout? That is a bit outrageous. Needs to be confirmed with alternate source.


Larry Edelson is still expecting a pull back in silver price short term.

Ash_Williams
10th March 2011, 07:34 AM
I got lots of silver I'll sell for $49.

wrs
10th March 2011, 07:37 AM
I read at another forum that the loss on their derivatives is about 8x when the price is above $36. So paying an 80% premium is saving them a much larger loss on their derivatives. However, that premium is still a loss and at some point, if enough people stand for delivery and then accept the premium, they will lose more money on that than simply taking their derivatives losses. I guess it depends on how much honor there is among thieves or put another way, when do snakes bite each other in a snake pit.