What if the Jap reactor Blows??? what will be the effect on the Western USA???

[woodman]

In conjunction with said efforts at isolating the molten core it must be diluted into a lava solution with enough sand, lead, tin, whatever will work to eliminate it's ability to sustain a fission reaction. I don't know jack-shit but this makes sense to me.

I wonder if there is some way to effect a dilution.

[sirgonzo420]

Special from the Chris Martenson site: "EXCLUSIVE PHOTOS: Latest Satellite Imagery From Fukushima Tells Sobering Tale. (http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/breaking-latest-satellite-imagery-fukushima/55711)"


My plan for Fukushima:

Step 1: Use Main Battle Tanks with dozers attached, to build a wide berm (see below, in brown) around the entire facility, surrounding the reactor buildings and the turbine halls (actually, the turbine calls can just be buried), using local earth. The MBTs are necessary, since their armor will offer significant protection from gamma radiation, and they are NBC capable, so no special environmental measures are needed.

Step 2: (initial measures can be concurrent with Step 1) Use concrete pump booms, such as those being flown in, as well as shielded aircraft, to bury the reactor buildings. The shielded aircraft (i.e., helicopters) can drop boron & sand, perhaps even shredded tin, if aerial access to the reactor(s) are possible, as recommended by a Ukrainian science team, and then boriated concrete can be poured on.

Step 3: again using MBTs, push earth over the concrete.

Step 4: cover all the earth with concrete, to protect from future erosion.

I realize that this will be among the most phenomenal engineering and earth-moving efforts ever undertaken, both because of the hazards of radiation, as well as the speed in which it must be done. The engineers & operating engineers I know can do it, if the politicians and corporate types let them do it. This must be done, starting last week. The sooner the better. Concerns about the continuing heat of the reactor damaging the work are outweighed by the dangers of continuous spewing of fission products. If the concrete cracks, it can be sealed again. The "dirt sandwich" will offer some relief to any built-up pressure, as well, and ideas for drilling under the site can also be explored. But the radioactive release must be stopped, now, or hundreds of square miles of Japan will be rendered uninhabitable, and tens of millions of people in Japan and across the Pacific shores will be subjected to numerous health effects.




I'm not a scientist (I might be considered "mad" though), but your post seems to be a slightly more thought out version of my own ideas on the matter:

Bury the ******* thing. Just bury it and keep burying it. Hell if I were in Japan already (not that I'm going now), I'd grab a shovel and head to Fukushima just to make a point.

It's time to start recycling the buzzword methods ("top-kill" and "junk-shot") from the gulf oil disaster.

lol.

[sunnyandseventy]

I'm going to guess the crackers and dried rice diet is due to there's no working plumbing. More likely they can't be getting out and in to those suits to crap and piss.

[sirgonzo420]

I'm going to guess the crackers and dried rice diet is due to there's no working plumbing. More likely they can't be getting out and in to those suits to crap and piss.


They are japanese... I figure they love crackers and rice.

[gunDriller]

Bury the g*d d*mn thing. Just bury it and keep burying it. Hell if I were in Japan already (not that I'm going now), I'd grab a shovel and head to Fukushima just to make a point.


because of what it is, just burying it won't work - there has to be a way to conduct the heat out, or it will get hotter and hotter.

that's why they built it next to the ocean in the first place - same as Diablo Canyon and San Onofre - though San Andreas fault, theoretically, is not the kind of tectonic plate as the Japan plate. the Japan plate was a "subduction" plate (not seduction :) ) - so that one of the plates goes UP or DOWN when there's a quake - that's what makes a tidal wave.

if the heat is not conducted out, you will have a hot thermal mass attracted by gravity to move towards the center of the Earth. which it will do until it hits ground-water, at which point it will explode.

therefore it is critically important to keep it cool.

i know this will sound wierd, but if it were me - i'd drop aluminum cans or aluminum on it. and maybe copper - e.g. copper pennies.

that is, a layer of copper next to the hot radioactive mass, with a layer of aluminum on top of that. then just spray water on to the aluminum as long as it's hot - which could be seawater.

[lapis]

http://www.the-mainboard.com/forum/Smileys/default/popcorn.gif

[Serpo]

Source of Toxic Water Found





By JURO OSAWA

TOKYO—A source of highly radioactive water escaping into the ocean from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant was identified Saturday, but authorities weren't able to say if the discovery will stop the continuing contamination that has already spread 40 kilometers into the open sea.

Plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. said it has found a 20-centimeter crack in a two-meter-deep chamber holding cables for the No. 2 reactor, which is believed to be leaking highly toxic water from its nuclear core.

It the conduit, which is 10 to 20 centimeters deep in radioactive water, workers found a highly dangerous airborne contamination of more than 1,000 millisieverts an hour. The contamination level of the water itself wasn't immediately available. That high a level of radioactivity has also been found in a trench used to carry cables and various piping for the No. 2 unit.



A crack in the ground near the No. 2 reactor, which is believed to be leaking highly toxic water from its nuclear core









Authorities have said such highly toxic water must be originating from the reactor's damaged fuel rods, but they haven't been able to trace the exact source. While they believe the pressure vessel and containment vessel are structurally sound, they say there could be leakage where pipes enter the vessel.

The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said that concrete has started to be poured into the crack to seal it. It hasn't been confirmed, however, whether the leaking of highly toxic water has stopped, the agency said.

Meanwhile, the contaminated seawater continues to spread across a wider area, meanwhile. The nuclear safety agency said a test conducted by Japan's science ministry on a sample from about 40 kilometers south of the plant showed 79.4 becquerels of radioactive iodine per liter, about twice the government's permissible level of 40 becquerels.

However, radiation in the air was slightly lower Saturday in central Tokyo, at 0.094 microsievert an hour around 0900 GMT, down from 0.095 at the same time Friday, according to the metropolitan government's website.

At the stricken plant, the crew of an estimated 350 workers Saturday planned to continue the drawn-out process of restoring normal cooling functions to the heavily damaged reactors at unit Nos. 1 to 3. However, their work remains hampered by radiation emitted by the nuclear reactions they are seeking to bring under control.

For more than a week, they have been preparing to drain radioactive water from the turbine-room basements of the three units so that they can restore the pumps used for cooling the reactor cores. But they first need to find suitable storage tanks. They've been transferring water from the condenser units in the turbine room so they can be used to store that water from the basement, at least some of which is believed to be heavily contaminated.

As the plant officials search for suitable storage space for the water, the city of Shizuoka, 160 kilometers to the south, said Friday that it had offered to lease a 450-foot-long barge that can hold 10,000 tons, or 10 million liters, of water. The shallow draft would allow the vessel to dock adjacent to the plant to ease the transfer of water. Another barge with fresh water from the U.S. military arrived at the site Friday to assist in the cooling operations.

The slow pace of the work and reports of improper procedures that have endangered workers have led to severe criticism of plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co., but government regulators and international experts have repeatedly said that the operation will have no quick end.

International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Yukiya Amano said Friday that it would be a prolonged operation and that the situation remained serious, according to Kyodo News.

"In order to say everything is normal...I would say it would take more time than people think," Mr. Amano was quoted as saying at a press conference during a visit to Nairobi, Kenya.

For the government and the operator Tepco, the top priority is to keep the nuclear reactors cool to prevent greater damage and possible meltdowns. But as they continued to douse the reactors with water, they had to allow the amount of highly radioactive water spilling out of the reactors to increase, making seawater contamination more likely.

Interactive link of reactors here.......
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703712504576238143895170426.html?m od=googlenews_wsj#project%3DJAPANREACTOR1103





http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703712504576238143895170426.html?m od=googlenews_wsj



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkioOLvRq74&feature=player_embedded

[Serpo]

Japan's Apocalypse
By Stephen Lendman
4-2-11
Despite a disaster multiples worse than Chernobyl, major media reports all along downplayed it. Now they largely ignore it, moving on to more important things like celebrity features and baseball's opening day, besides pretending American-led Libya bombing is well-intended when, in fact, it's another brazen power grab - an imperial war of conquest, explained in numerous previous articles.

The horror of all wars aside, waged solely for wealth and power, never humanity, Japan deserves regular top billing, given its global implications and potential millions of lives affected. Ignoring it is scandalous, yet it's practically disappeared from television where most people get news, unaware only managed reports are aired omitting vital truths.

Over three weeks and counting, Japan's crisis keeps worsens. Radiation levels in Fukushima's underground tunnel water reached 10,000 times above normal and rising. In nearby seawater, they're 4,385 times too high. Heavy rainfall exacerbates the problem. Food, water, air and soil contamination is spreading.

On March 31, New York Times writer Henry Fountain headlined, "Cleanup Questions as Radiation Spreads," saying:

At issue is "how to clean up areas that have been heavily contaminated by radioactivity," stopping short of suggesting they're dead zones that may affect all northern Japan, an area comparable to Pennsylvania, potentially making it uninhabitable.

On March 31, the IAEA (the industry's global promoter) "said a soil sample from Iitate, a village of 7,000 about 25 miles northwest of the plant, showed very high concentrations of cesium-137," a harmful gamma ray-producing isotope, contaminating air, water and soil for decades.

Levels found are "double" those in Chernobyl's dead zone, raising concerns about extending Japan's evacuation, not done so far. Moreover, they're rising daily and will continue for months, perhaps years, creating permanent contamination combined with uranium, plutonium, and other hazardous toxins.

On April 1, Al Jazeera headlined, "Japan nuclear evacuation will be 'long term,' " saying:

"Residents of evacuated areas....have been warned that they may not be able to return to their homes for months," if ever, given increasing hazardous contamination levels. Cleanup will take decades and fall far short of making areas toxin-free.

Experts call conditions "unchartered territory," wondering what, if anything can be done. The nuclear genie is out of the bottle. The imponderables are huge, and potential implications staggering.

On March 25, Helen Caldicott highlighted "a medical problem of vast dimensions," saying "the situation has grown increasingly grave." A week later, it's worse with no end of crisis in sight, Caldicott calling nuclear power's harm "the greatest public health hazard the world will ever see."

On March 31, physicist Michio Kaku said "three (Fukushima) raging meltdowns" plus one or more (melting) spent fuel ponds opened to the air are ongoing, adding:

"This is huge," involving "uncontrolled radiation releases into the environment," including plutonium, the most toxic substance known. "A speck of plutonium, a millionth of a gram, can cause cancer if ingested." Moreover, if the plant site is abandoned, "we could be in free fall." Before it ends, Kaku believes it may far exceed Chernobyl. Perhaps it already has, though no one's admitting it or knows for sure.

Every Radiation Dose Is an Overdose

Experts like Harvey Wasserman agree. On March 27, he headlined, " 'Safe' Radiation is a Lethal TMI Lie," saying:

-- No amount of radiation is safe; they're harmful, cumulative, permanent and unforgiving;

-- It's why pregnant women aren't x-rayed;

-- "Any detectable fallout can kill;"

-- Fukushima's "serious danger" requires everyone to "prepare for the worst;"

-- "Fukusima is deadly to Americans;"

-- Minimally, "it threatens countless embryos and fetuses in utero, the infants, the elderly, the unborn who will come to future mothers now being exposed;"

-- There's "no defense against even the tiniest radioactive assault;"

-- "Science has never found such a 'safe' threshold, and never will;"

-- "All doses, 'insignificant' or otherwise, can harm the human organism;"

-- Three Mile Island (TMI) victims experienced "cancer, leukemia, birth defects, stillbirths, sterility, malformations, open lesions, hair loss, a metallic taste and much more....;"

-- Pennsylvania's Department of Agriculture also documented the farm and wild animal death and mutation rate;

-- TMI was minor compared to Fukushima; its radiation is "pouring into the air and water;" operators reported levels "a million times normal, then retracted the estimate to a 'mere' 100,000;"

-- Most frightening is what's unrevealed; coverup after TMI and Chernobyl was scandalous;

-- All North America and Europe are affected, especially by rain, increasing soil and water contamination;

-- "Fukushima's worst may be yet to come," by far the worst ever environmental and human disaster;

-- "The response of the Obama Administration has been beyond derelict," claiming Americans face no threat; he lied and now remains silent;

-- " 'Impossible' accidents continue to happen, one after the other, each of them successively worse."

What will it take to stop this monster? Because of enormous industry profits, perhaps it will take ending human life to convince skeptics.

Candidate v. President Obama

In 2008, candidate Obama was skeptical about nuclear power, telling NBC Meet the Press host Tim Russert on January 15, 2008:

Unless a "safe way to produce (and store) nuclear energy (is found), then absolutely we shouldn't build more plants."

At a January 13, 2008 town hall meeting, he said:

"Nuclear is bad because we don't know how to store it. And it poses security hazards."

On December 30, 2007, he said:

"....(N)uclear energy is not optimal so I am not a nuclear energy proponent....I am much more interested in solar and wind and bio-diesel (to produce) clean energy and (new) jobs....I have not ruled out nuclear (but) only so far is it is clean and safe."

Earlier he said:

-- "Nuclear power is not working for us right now;"

-- The Nuclear Regulatory Commission is "a moribund agency that needs to be revamped, and it's become captive of the industries that it regulates and I think that's a problem."

He also called storing nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain "a bad idea." Nuclear power "has a host of problems that have not been solved," and "I don't think there's anything that we inevitably dislike about nuclear power. We just dislike the fact that it might blow up....and irradiate us....and kill us. That's the problem."

Even candidate Obama was less than candid. On July 4, 2007, CounterPunch co-editor Jeff St. Clair and contributor Joshua Frank called him "another automaton of the atomic lobby" in their article headlined, "Barack Obama's Nuclear Ambitions," saying:

During the 1990s, "the atom lobby....had a stranglehold on the Clinton administration and now they seem to have the same suffocating grip around (Obama's) neck, (the Democrat's) brightest star...."

It showed (and still does) in generous industry contributions. As of late March 2007, he "accepted $159,800 from executives and employees of Exelon, the nation's largest nuclear power plant operator." They previously funded his 2004 Senate campaign, contributing $74,350.

In return, he helped kill an amendment to stop large industry loan guarantees "for power-plant operators to develop new energy projects the public will not only pay millions of dollars in loan costs but will also risk losing billions of dollars if the companies default."

In 2005, Nuclear News praised him for "keeping an open mind" on nuclear power. In other words, for supporting it despite the unforgiving hazards. "The atom lobby must certainly be pleased." Why else would they help elect him president.

A previous article explained Obama's longstanding industry ties, including with Chicago-based Exelon. Its web site says it operates 17 reactors at 10 stations in Illinois, New Jersey and Pennsylvania, providing 20% of US nuclear capacity.

In addition, Obama's former top political aide, David Axelrod, once lobbied for Exelon, and Rahm Emanuel, his former White House chief of staff (now Chicago's mayor-elect), profited handsomely as an investment banker, arranging mergers that created the company.

In his proposed budget, Obama includes $36 billion in industry loan guarantees for new facilities - free money. He's committed to jump-start new construction, halted since Three Mile Island in 1979. Already takers are lining up, 20 or more applications pending before the NRC.

In fact, he and Energy Secretary Steven Chu downplay Fukushima, ignoring industry hazards, including 23 US nuclear plants at 16 locations using the same failed GE-designed Mark 1 containment vessels. Earlier, the NRC called them susceptible to explosions and failure because of cost-cutting design features.

Its 1985 study warned that failure within the first few hours after a core meltdown was very likely. Its top safety official at the time said it had a 90% probability of failing if an accident caused overheating and melting. When reactor cooling is compromised, the containment vessel is the last line of defense. However, GE's design is hazardous and unsafe.

Today, Obama supports the NRC, the same agency Karl Grossman calls "an unabashed promoter of nuclear power," the one candidate Obama called "moribund, (a) captive of the industries it regulates." The one with a perfect record - never having denied applicants new plant licenses. The one now dangerously extending operating lives of aging, poorly maintained plants with deplorable safety records to 80 years, assuring multiple likelihoods of trouble.

It now says no new regulation or oversight is needed. No moratorium on new construction or old plants will be instituted, and, in fact, Vermont's trouble-plagued Yankee plant (using the same type Fukushima reactor) got a 20-year extension instead of being shut down.

That in spite of recent reports highlighting serious industry "near misses," safety violations, failures to reveal legally-required information regarding defective equipment, electrical supply system inadequacies, and other examples of industry mismanagement and criminality, risking an American Fukushima disaster.

According to nuclear technician Tom Saporito:

"The administration, including the president of the United States, is recklessly endangering the population by promoting the construction of nuclear plants and by not taking affirmative action to deal with known safety problems."

In fact, shutting the industry down is crucial, especially as Grossman, a longtime industry expert, says:

"Safe, clean, renewable energy technologies fully implemented can provide all the power we need - and energy that we can live with" safely, unlike the hazardous nuclear roulette played each day these ticking time bombs operate.

As president, however, Obama fronts for Wall Street, war profiteers, Big Oil, Big Pharma, other corporate favorites, and his nuclear industry friends, risking a major disaster to assure generous 2012 campaign contributions for another four years to complete wrecking America and other nations globally. That's his "change we can believe in" plan, not the one sold to constituents.

Stephen Lendman lives in Chicago and can be reached at lendmanstephen@sbcglobal.net. Also visit his blog site at sjlendman.blogspot.com and listen to cutting-edge discussions with distinguished guests on the Progressive Radio News Hour on the Progressive Radio Network Thursdays at 10AM US Central time and Saturdays and Sundays at noon. All programs are archived for easy listening.

http://www.progressiveradionetwork.com/the-progressive-news-hour/.

http://www.rense.com/general93/apoc.htm

[osoab]

Nice pdf download. http://cryptome.org/0003/fukushima-areva.zip

[osoab]

Anyone heard of this guy before?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM3rkzJobx4&feature=related

[Serpo]

Anyone heard of this guy before?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM3rkzJobx4&feature=related


Yes we have a link to his web site...http://www.fairewinds.com/

check out this link.............

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1371793/Japan-nuclear-crisis-Fukushima-plant-entombed-concrete-radiation-leak.html

[sirgonzo420]

Bury the g*d d*mn thing. Just bury it and keep burying it. Hell if I were in Japan already (not that I'm going now), I'd grab a shovel and head to Fukushima just to make a point.


because of what it is, just burying it won't work - there has to be a way to conduct the heat out, or it will get hotter and hotter.

that's why they built it next to the ocean in the first place - same as Diablo Canyon and San Onofre - though San Andreas fault, theoretically, is not the kind of tectonic plate as the Japan plate. the Japan plate was a "subduction" plate (not seduction :) ) - so that one of the plates goes UP or DOWN when there's a quake - that's what makes a tidal wave.

if the heat is not conducted out, you will have a hot thermal mass attracted by gravity to move towards the center of the Earth. which it will do until it hits ground-water, at which point it will explode.

therefore it is critically important to keep it cool.

i know this will sound wierd, but if it were me - i'd drop aluminum cans or aluminum on it. and maybe copper - e.g. copper pennies.

that is, a layer of copper next to the hot radioactive mass, with a layer of aluminum on top of that. then just spray water on to the aluminum as long as it's hot - which could be seawater.


So you're saying we should all put our 2 cents in?

[Ash_Williams]

Everyone wanted to nuke the oil spill so I suggest that we dump oil on the radiation spill.

[Serpo]

Attempt To Pour Concrete On Fukushima Pit Crack Generating 1 Sievert/Hour Fails; New Unmanned Drone Photos Of Reactors
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 04/02/2011 12:42 -0400

General Electric Japan Jeff Immelt Reuters


After prior reports that radiation in and around Fukushima had breached the dreaded barrier of 1 sievert/hour were attributed to some PR apparatchik not knowing how to carry the decimal comma, we once again get confirmation that previous attempts to refute what some saw merely as scaremongering, were in fact more lies. According to Reuters, the soon to be nationalized TEPCO said it had found a crack in the pit at its No.2 reactor in Fukushima, generating readings 1,000 millisieverts (1 sievert) of radiation per hour in the air inside the pit. "With radiation levels rising in the seawater near the plant, we have been trying to confirm the reason why, and in that context, this could be one source," said Hidehiko Nishiyama, deputy head of the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA), said on Saturday. He cautioned, however: "We can't really say for certain until we've studied the results." Since at this point nobody believes anything coming out of Japan and TEPCO, most are just expecting for the concrete to come: "TEPCO has begun pouring concrete into the pit to stop the leak, he said." Alas, as always happens when horrible plans go awry, this latest attempt to fix the problem with the nuclear (pardon the pan) "solution" is failing. "Public broadcaster NHK said late on Saturday that water was preventing the concrete from hardening and the pit was still leaking." In other words, recent horrendously planned attempts to cool the reactor by pumping water on it may well scuttle the Plan Z option of entombing the reactor. And if that doesn't work, then Japan is straight out of plans.

http://www.zerohedge.com/


Leakage did not stop even after concrete was poured into the pit, and Tokyo Electric is now planning to use water-absorbent polymer to prevent contaminated water from leaking out into the sea.

http://www.newsonjapan.com/

[Cobalt]

Attempt To Pour Concrete On Fukushima Pit Crack Generating 1 Sievert/Hour Fails; New Unmanned Drone Photos Of Reactors
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 04/02/2011 12:42 -0400

General Electric Japan Jeff Immelt Reuters


After prior reports that radiation in and around Fukushima had breached the dreaded barrier of 1 sievert/hour were attributed to some PR apparatchik not knowing how to carry the decimal comma, we once again get confirmation that previous attempts to refute what some saw merely as scaremongering, were in fact more lies. According to Reuters, the soon to be nationalized TEPCO said it had found a crack in the pit at its No.2 reactor in Fukushima, generating readings 1,000 millisieverts (1 sievert) of radiation per hour in the air inside the pit. "With radiation levels rising in the seawater near the plant, we have been trying to confirm the reason why, and in that context, this could be one source," said Hidehiko Nishiyama, deputy head of the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA), said on Saturday. He cautioned, however: "We can't really say for certain until we've studied the results." Since at this point nobody believes anything coming out of Japan and TEPCO, most are just expecting for the concrete to come: "TEPCO has begun pouring concrete into the pit to stop the leak, he said." Alas, as always happens when horrible plans go awry, this latest attempt to fix the problem with the nuclear (pardon the pan) "solution" is failing. "Public broadcaster NHK said late on Saturday that water was preventing the concrete from hardening and the pit was still leaking." In other words, recent horrendously planned attempts to cool the reactor by pumping water on it may well scuttle the Plan Z option of entombing the reactor. And if that doesn't work, then Japan is straight out of plans.

http://www.zerohedge.com/


Bullshit
Concrete hardens under water, if you want the best concrete slab you pour and then cover it with 70F water for 21 days, it stops evaporation on the surface and the concrete cures evenly.

Tell them dumbass over educated idiots to pick up a pallet of jet set, mix and pump it in the pit, it will be rock hard in 35 minutes.

[Neuro]

Maybe concrete doesn't cure when in contact with radioactive salt water?

[vacuum]

Radioactive Material Found in Illinois
Jim Anderson

March 31, 2011 4:44 A

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (IRN) - Radiation believed to be from the nuclear plant disaster in Japan has been detected in Illinois.

The radioactive iodine similar to what was released in Japan was found in a grass clipping in the Joliet area by the Radiological Assessment Field Team, which regularly checks on vegetation, air, milk and eggs to determine if any radiation is leaking from Illinois’ nuclear reactors.

In this case, the grass clippings were taken as part of a drill for the emergency plan at the Dresden nuclear power plant.

Once that grass sample tested positive for radioactive iodine, an air sample in Springfield was taken, which also detected the radioactive material.

Patti Thompson of the Illinois Emergency Management Agency says the levels are low: The amount of radiation would have to be 200,000 greater than what was detected to meet the regulatory limit for emission from a nuclear power plant.

Nevertheless, the state will now conduct more tests in other parts of the state.

Copyright Illinois Radio Network

[Antonio]

Just read a translation in a UK newspaper, of a Russian Chernobyl joke which I didn`t know:
" No amount of Geiger clicks can damage big Russian dicks ".
PS. I`m feverishly reading a big Russian book on Chernobyl, the summary is that radiation dangers are greatly exaggerated. There are areas on the planet where natural background is huge, something like 50 millisieverts and people are healthy there. On the other hand pesticide and heavy metals contamination is guaranteed to cause disease. Think about this, radiation has been with us since the beginning of time but man-made toxins are new, we are adapted to radiation but not to all the new crap. If you don`t inhale/swallow radioactive materials the chances are nothing is going to happen to you.

[vacuum]

Does that joke rhyme in Russian too?

[Antonio]

Does that joke rhyme in Russian too?


The problem is I don`t know the original version and I just made my own translation back into Russian and it rhymes ;D.

[Neuro]

Just read a translation in a UK newspaper, of a Russian Chernobyl joke which I didn`t know:
" No amount of Geiger clicks can damage big Russian dicks ".
PS. I`m feverishly reading a big Russian book on Chernobyl, the summary is that radiation dangers are greatly exaggerated. There are areas on the planet where natural background is huge, something like 50 millisieverts and people are healthy there. On the other hand pesticide and heavy metals contamination is guaranteed to cause disease. Think about this, radiation has been with us since the beginning of time but man-made toxins are new, we are adapted to radiation but not to all the new crap. If you don`t inhale/swallow radioactive materials the chances are nothing is going to happen to you.
I believe this is correct, most x- or gamma-rays will just pass through the body, occasionally knocking off an electron or 2... IOW ionize. If it knocks of an electron in the DNA helix, it could change DNA, with accumulated damage, it can create a cancer cell, but first of all the DNA helix have , enzymes/proteins that help repair damages, and a small amount of radiation can be beneficial in that it triggers those repair mechanisms into action. Even if the normal cell becomes a cancer cell, most likely the bodies immune system will come and neutralize the cancer cell.

Of course if you breath in or swallow a larger piece of radioactive material, that gets lodged in a certain area of the body and continues to admit alpha or beta-particles (much more ionizing) in that specific area of the body, you will have much greater risk of cancer. With x- or gamma-rays, if it doesn't immediatelly kills or seriously injures you, you will most likely recover, and have no ill effects from it long term...

[gunDriller]

Since at this point nobody believes anything coming out of Japan and TEPCO, most are just expecting for the concrete to come: "TEPCO has begun pouring concrete into the pit to stop the leak, he said." Alas, as always happens when horrible plans go awry, this latest attempt to fix the problem with the nuclear (pardon the pan) "solution" is failing. "Public broadcaster NHK said late on Saturday that water was preventing the concrete from hardening and the pit was still leaking." In other words, recent horrendously planned attempts to cool the reactor by pumping water on it may well scuttle the Plan Z option of entombing the reactor. And if that doesn't work, then Japan is straight out of plans.

http://www.zerohedge.com/


Bullshit
Concrete hardens under water, if you want the best concrete slab you pour and then cover it with 70F water for 21 days, it stops evaporation on the surface and the concrete cures evenly.

Tell them dumbass over educated idiots to pick up a pallet of jet set, mix and pump it in the pit, it will be rock hard in 35 minutes.

that's about the same way i feel.

"Engineers tried to seal the crack with concrete on Saturday, but that didn't work. So on Sunday they injected a mix of sawdust, shredded newspaper and a polymer that can expand to 50 times its normal size when combined with water. The polymer mix had not yet stopped the leak Sunday night but engineers have not given up hope and should know by Monday morning whether it will work."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110403/ap_on_bi_ge/as_japan_earthquake;_ylt=AnaIxAJQRVm3LQoKsUVQBzes0 NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNqY2FwZTBrBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTEwNDAzL 2FzX2phcGFuX2VhcnRocXVha2UEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXI EY3BvcwMxBHBvcwMyBHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX 3N0b3J5BHNsawNjb250cm9sbGluZ2o-

wow, that's a long link.

sawdust, newspaper, agricultural polymers - that is the engineering equivalent of chewing gum and duct tape.

[crazychicken]

Thank you!

Concrete cures underwater--including salt water. Throw plastisizer in, three gallons to eight yards, mix it quick and pour it, or it isn't coming out of the truck

CC










Attempt To Pour Concrete On Fukushima Pit Crack Generating 1 Sievert/Hour Fails; New Unmanned Drone Photos Of Reactors
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 04/02/2011 12:42 -0400

General Electric Japan Jeff Immelt Reuters


After prior reports that radiation in and around Fukushima had breached the dreaded barrier of 1 sievert/hour were attributed to some PR apparatchik not knowing how to carry the decimal comma, we once again get confirmation that previous attempts to refute what some saw merely as scaremongering, were in fact more lies. According to Reuters, the soon to be nationalized TEPCO said it had found a crack in the pit at its No.2 reactor in Fukushima, generating readings 1,000 millisieverts (1 sievert) of radiation per hour in the air inside the pit. "With radiation levels rising in the seawater near the plant, we have been trying to confirm the reason why, and in that context, this could be one source," said Hidehiko Nishiyama, deputy head of the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA), said on Saturday. He cautioned, however: "We can't really say for certain until we've studied the results." Since at this point nobody believes anything coming out of Japan and TEPCO, most are just expecting for the concrete to come: "TEPCO has begun pouring concrete into the pit to stop the leak, he said." Alas, as always happens when horrible plans go awry, this latest attempt to fix the problem with the nuclear (pardon the pan) "solution" is failing. "Public broadcaster NHK said late on Saturday that water was preventing the concrete from hardening and the pit was still leaking." In other words, recent horrendously planned attempts to cool the reactor by pumping water on it may well scuttle the Plan Z option of entombing the reactor. And if that doesn't work, then Japan is straight out of plans.

http://www.zerohedge.com/


Bullshit
Concrete hardens under water, if you want the best concrete slab you pour and then cover it with 70F water for 21 days, it stops evaporation on the surface and the concrete cures evenly.

Tell them dumbass over educated idiots to pick up a pallet of jet set, mix and pump it in the pit, it will be rock hard in 35 minutes.

[Cobalt]

Since at this point nobody believes anything coming out of Japan and TEPCO, most are just expecting for the concrete to come: "TEPCO has begun pouring concrete into the pit to stop the leak, he said." Alas, as always happens when horrible plans go awry, this latest attempt to fix the problem with the nuclear (pardon the pan) "solution" is failing. "Public broadcaster NHK said late on Saturday that water was preventing the concrete from hardening and the pit was still leaking." In other words, recent horrendously planned attempts to cool the reactor by pumping water on it may well scuttle the Plan Z option of entombing the reactor. And if that doesn't work, then Japan is straight out of plans.

http://www.zerohedge.com/


Bullshit
Concrete hardens under water, if you want the best concrete slab you pour and then cover it with 70F water for 21 days, it stops evaporation on the surface and the concrete cures evenly.

Tell them dumbass over educated idiots to pick up a pallet of jet set, mix and pump it in the pit, it will be rock hard in 35 minutes.

that's about the same way i feel.

"Engineers tried to seal the crack with concrete on Saturday, but that didn't work. So on Sunday they injected a mix of sawdust, shredded newspaper and a polymer that can expand to 50 times its normal size when combined with water. The polymer mix had not yet stopped the leak Sunday night but engineers have not given up hope and should know by Monday morning whether it will work."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110403/ap_on_bi_ge/as_japan_earthquake;_ylt=AnaIxAJQRVm3LQoKsUVQBzes0 NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNqY2FwZTBrBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTEwNDAzL 2FzX2phcGFuX2VhcnRocXVha2UEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXI EY3BvcwMxBHBvcwMyBHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX 3N0b3J5BHNsawNjb250cm9sbGluZ2o-

wow, that's a long link.

sawdust, newspaper, agricultural polymers - that is the engineering equivalent of chewing gum and duct tape.




WTF

Sounds like BP and the Junk Shot they kept swearing worked in the past and attempted several times all the while buying them a few more days of being able to report they had a plan.

[beefsteak]

"Engineers tried to seal the crack with concrete on Saturday, but that didn't work. So on Sunday they injected a mix of sawdust, shredded newspaper and a polymer that can expand to 50 times its normal size when combined with water. The polymer mix had not yet stopped the leak Sunday night but engineers have not given up hope and should know by Monday morning whether it will work."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110403/ap_on_bi_ge/as_japan_earthquake;_ylt=AnaIxAJQRVm3LQoKsUVQBzes0 NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNqY2FwZTBrBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTEwNDAzL 2FzX2phcGFuX2VhcnRocXVha2UEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXI EY3BvcwMxBHBvcwMyBHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX 3N0b3J5BHNsawNjb250cm9sbGluZ2o-


I detect a large dose of Japanese writers' sarcasm in this report. If a Chemical Engineer would have written it, the description would have read: "Concentrated organic materials high in Lignin and Cellulose combined with Agricultural Polymers" and not the sarcastic and euphemistic "sawdust, newspaper, etc."

Checking the writers' attribution at the bottom of the Yahoo article Link, I find: Associated Press writers Mayumi Saito, Noriko Kitano and Shino Yuasa in Tokyo and Jay Alabaster in Kesennuma contributed to this report.

Still masters of indirect speaking, albeit sarcastic ones, I see.

beefsteak

[keehah]

Just noting the change in tone for health from 'Completely safe', 'No Danger' and 'Nothing to worry about' in the local paper. Today's political weather report: 'Worry, but not too much'.


Don’t worry too much about the hint of radiation reaching U.S. shores from the damaged nuclear reactors in Japan, experts say.
http://www.vancouversun.com/health/live+with+level+radiation+harmful/4521991/story.html#ixzz1IUB3wWzL

In all, natural sources expose the average earthling to about 6.2 millisieverts (mSv) of radiation annually. The millisievert is the common unit for measuring radiation exposure; one millisievert equals about 10 chest X-rays. There are other ways of measuring radiation, but the millisievert is the most widely used.

The trick is to limit our exposure to ionizing radiation above that universal 6.2 mSv, Elsayyad says. The National Council on Radiation Protection recommends we get no more than one additional unit per year.

To put it in perspective, measuring in millisieverts, a chest X-ray adds 0.1, a mammogram adds 0.7, a high-altitude, cross-country airplane flight adds 0.05 and a medical CAT scan adds 10. The new full-body scanners at airports ... far less than 0.1 mSv, according to the American Cancer Society...

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency scientists say there’s no practical way to measure the risk of lifetime chronic exposure to low levels of radiation. But they can measure the effects of extremely high doses. So they extrapolate backward to create very rough estimates of low-level risks. Their conclusion: A person exposed to 10 extra millisieverts of radiation, the equivalent of about 100 chest X-rays, in small doses over a lifetime, would have a 0.3 per cent greater chance of dying from radiation.

Studies of the body’s reaction to low levels of radiation have shown that as exposure increases, it causes the same cancers as very high doses although in far smaller numbers.

Thyroid cancer and leukemia can follow after years of chronic over-exposure. Later, in 10 or 15 years, come lung cancer, skin cancer, multiple myeloma and cancers of the breast and stomach, according to the American Cancer Society. And children are at much higher risk from exposure to radioactivity, the ACS says, because their tissue is growing faster and because they have longer life expectancy during which cancers can develop.

Avoiding unneeded radiation involves tradeoffs. Because of the soaring use of CAT scans and other diagnostic tools, the amount of medical radiation received by the average person has increased by more than 600 per cent since the early 1980s, Elsayyad says.

"Doctors often have no idea how much radiation they’re exposing their patients to," he says.

[beefsteak]

Noted. Thanks for your observation and sharing, Keehah. Anything to placate the irradiated masses, yes?

[Neuro]

They are trying to plug it with papier mâché! LOL

[beefsteak]

First Nuke Plant deaths reported by TEPCO...but not from radiation purportedly...

========

Dateline April 3, 2011


TEPCO on Sunday confirmed the first tsunami deaths at the plant itself, saying a 21-year-old and a 24-year-old were conducting regular checks when the 9.0-magnitude earthquake that preceded the tsunami hit.

They apparently ran to a basement turbine room, which is where they were when the massive wave swept over the plant.

"It pains us to have lost these two young workers who were trying to protect the power plant amid the earthquake and tsunami," TEPCO Chairman Tsunehisa Katsumata said in a statement.

The high levels of radioactivity at the plant made searching for the men dangerous. Their bodies were not discovered until Wednesday and had to be decontaminated. The announcement was delayed while authorities notified their families, TEPCO spokesman Kazufumi Suzuki said.


TEMPCO Softening up the public for more public death notices? How in the heck did they even locate "family" to report this sad news to?

How did they decontaminate the deceased? Thought they were burying all them.
More questions than answers.

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/03/official-controlling-japan-nuclear-plant-could-take-months/?ncid=webmail

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Found a TEPCO foto of the "leak"....rather understated calling that a leak, yes?

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20110403/capt.5e903c5762e14fdcb22a99bf479c091d-5e903c5762e14fdcb22a99bf479c091d-0.jpg?x=400&y=300&q=85&sig=ZzP4jGSN7BnfzQv40G2VTw-- Credit: Reuters

[beefsteak]

Wonder how long it will be before open air markets on the West Coast employ similar devices to assure customers of fresh veggies/meats/milk?

I can see all sorts of problems trusting merchants brandishing these devices.

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20110401/capt.e9ee3a047e1c42e48063a08846ae60f3-e9ee3a047e1c42e48063a08846ae60f3-0.jpg?x=400&y=290&q=85&sig=KclA4AH6U63OL8Lo5zTZCQ-- Credit: Reuters

Then, the "Twice is Nice"/rummage sale/vintage garments' purveyors?
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/rids/20110401/i/r821937005.jpg?x=400&y=320&q=85&sig=mhfHmfiX0MbIm3M1hSlSyQ-- Credit: Reuters

In the first image the merchant isn't wearing the garb the clothing inspector is...

Let's not leave out the barber/hair stylist...
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/rids/20110401/i/r210584241.jpg?x=400&y=262&q=85&sig=DIsff_iv9SZD8gnj6_yOPw-- Credit: Reuters

What if the EMTs arrive with Geigers and won't treat nor transport? How far will this "we're here to protect you" is the West Coast going to stand for? Or even over in Illinois where grass and air have detectable levels as of this morning's new reports?

West Coast Japanese Car importers/dealers?
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20110403/capt.884ac270efd64bf9a617989db1c053b2-884ac270efd64bf9a617989db1c053b2-0.jpg?x=400&y=278&q=85&sig=zwdmcptwZ7qFVrVGixf8Gw-- Credit: Reuters

[muffin]

That RB26 you wanted is on sale, half off. Hurry, ship now.

[keehah]

A good comment from Mike:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/

Okay, so let us recap. We have four wrecked reactors. According to Greenpeace, each one of reactors 1, 2, and 3 are already a Chernobyl all by themselves. Stopping the radiation leaks is still months away. Cleanup will take decades. The people evacuated from the 20km evacuation zone may never be allowed to return home. Even if they do they face an old age of increased cancers and leukemia and the next generation faces an increased chance of birth defects. Japan has lost 21% of their electrical generation capacity and the entire nation is under rolling blackouts. Japanese manufacturing has had to slow down and a Toyoto plant here in Texas has had to slow production because they cannot get parts. All around the North Pacific, sales of seafood is slowing due to fears of radioactive contamination. Despite heavy lobbying by Japanese trade officials, sales of Japanese seafood and produce has plummeted. There may be a global food shortage in the coming months.

So, my question to the money-junkies is this; how much money did you save by not building up the sea wall and not placing those emergency generators on top of a hill?

[Osaka]

Japan has lost 21% of their electrical generation capacity and the entire nation is under rolling blackouts.


Untrue

[Serpo]

Japan has lost 21% of their electrical generation capacity and the entire nation is under rolling blackouts.


Untrue


What is the truth then

[Osaka]

Japan has lost less than 21% of their electrical generation capacity and part of the entire nation is under rolling blackouts.

[sirgonzo420]

Japan has lost less than 21% of their electrical generation capacity and part of the entire nation is under rolling blackouts.


Any other news?

[Osaka]

I think the 21% decrease in electrical power generation is for TEPCO, not all of Japan. Western Japan operates on 60 rather than 50 hertz, so it is relatively unaffected. Absolutely no blackouts here in Osaka, nor anywhere west of here.

[beefsteak]

Thanks, Osaka. I wasn't aware of the 50, 60 mhz difference until you brought it to the attention of the GS forum.

On a personal note, have you heard from and been able to account for your friends and family in Japan? If not, is there anything you can think of which we can do to help you?

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Oh, good God above!!!

Expert Analysis wrt: Newly released TEPCO data, provides evidence of periodic chain reaction at Fukushima Unit 1

Re-Criticallity @Fuku. #1; "#1 is turning itself on without any human intervention" says A. Gunderson. He adds, "This should not be occurring if all 3 reactors were shut down at the same time. "[March 11th.]

Chlorine-38 is being formed --which does not exist in nature-- due to the presence of fission generated Neutron formation interacting with the Chlorine in the seawater.

10x Iodine-131 being released than in #'s 2 and 3.

TEPCO needs to add Boron.


Tellurium 129 Presence Is Proof Of Inadvertent Recriticality At Fukushima

Submitted by Tyler Durden on [b]04/03/2011 18:57 -0400


For those wondering just why TEPCO and Japan in general have been in such as scramble to cover up as much of the reactor in a concrete sarcophagus, [wonder no longer.] After up until now, the utility had been perfectly happy to come up with one after another useless idea of delaying the inevitable moment of sarcophagation.

Here is Arnie Gunderson from Fairewinds and Associates explaining that now there is definitive proof, courtesy of Tellurium 129 and a order of magnitude higher concentration of Iodine 131 in Reactor 1, that the reactor is now undergoing sporadic events of recriticality: in other words, the fission reaction is recommencing on its own, and without any supervision, emitting undetectable neutron beams which are irradiating any and all personnel still on location.

For the time being, these recritical events are isolated, although courtesy of the whole premise behind a nuclear power plant, all it takes is for some form of critical threshold to be reached, and for a full blown self-sustaining chain reaction to result in Chernobyl part 2.

If nothing else, we now know why the authorities are desperate to bury everything literally under the sand. Because at least a few thousands tons of concrete will provide a modest buffer for unprecedented amount of radiation before these hit the surrounding environment.

Lastly, all those hoping that natural rod cooling is sufficient, and if the plant is left along long enough on its own, things will get better, are now proven wrong.

We can only hope the outcome this time will be a tad more favorable than all the previously disastrously aborted attempts at restoring order.

http://vimeo.com/21881702 A.Gunderson tape posted: 1PM EDT SUN, 4/3/2011

Prestigous Scientific Paper Gunderson refers to is here: available in Eng and Japanese, complete with color illustrations as well as Nuke geek speak.

http://www.japanfocus.org/-Arjun-Makhijani/3509

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Dateline today: 4/4:



TEPCO wanted to withdraw all nuclear plant workers 3 days after quake

Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) told the government on March 14 that it wanted to withdraw all of its workers from the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant, it has been learned.

TEPCO's suggestion came two days after a cooling system failure caused by the March 11 quake and tsunami triggered a hydrogen blast at the plant's No. 1 reactor.

Though Prime Minister Naoto Kan rejected the proposal, the finding suggests that the power company was aware from an early stage that damage at the plant could develop into a nuclear disaster exposing workers to high levels of radiation. It is believed that TEPCO was prepared to let Japan's Self-Defense Forces and the U.S. military handle the situation.

Several government sources said that TEPCO officials told Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano and Economy, Trade and Industry Minister Banri Kaieda over the phone that the company wanted to withdraw all of its workers. Both government officials turned down the requests and reported them to Kan.

Shortly after 4 a.m. on March 15, Kan summoned TEPCO President Masataka Shimizu to the Prime Minister's Office and told him pulling out was not an option. He added that a joint countermeasures headquarters would be set up.

Afterwards, the prime minister visited TEPCO's head office in Tokyo and said, "This is not a matter of TEPCO going under; it's about what will become of Japan."

Government officials confirmed that TEPCO's suggestions on the night of March 14 indicated the company wanted to pull out all of its workers.

At the same time complaints are smoldering within TEPCO over Kan's response. TEPCO officials said that the company has 4,000 to 5,000 workers at the plant, including those from cooperating firms, but now only about 300 remain. They are working to control and restore power-generation stations.

"Saying, 'I won't allow you to pull out,' is like saying, 'Get exposed to radiation and keep going until you die,'" one member of the company commented.

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20110318p2a00m0na009000c.html

This article also includes temp estimates of 1,200 Degrees Celsius (2,192 Degrees Fahrenheit.)

beefsteak

[Olmstein]

I guess they are slowly admitting how bad this is.


A Tepco executive said yesterday he isn’t optimistic about the prospect of containing damage at the Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear power plant’s No. 3 reactor.

“I don’t know if we can ever enter the No. 3 reactor building again,” Hikaru Kuroda, the company’s chief of nuclear facility management, said at a press conference.

Link (http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-04-03/tokyo-electric-plans-silt-barrier-in-sea-to-stop-radiation-leak.html)

[Cobalt]

Govt did not reveal high level radiation estimate

It has been learned that the Japanese government withheld the release of computer projections indicating high levels of radioactivity in areas more than 30 kilometers from the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

The estimates were made on March 16th following explosions at the plant by an institute commissioned by the government using a computer system called SPEEDI. The system made its projections on the assumption that radioactive substances had been released for 24 hours from midnight on March 14th, based on the available data.

But the government was reluctant to reveal the SPEEDI projections, and did not release them until March 23rd.
The released data showed that higher levels of radioactive substances would flow over areas to the northwest and southwest of the plant.

The estimates showed that the radiation would exceed 100 millisieverts in some areas more than 30 kilometers from the nuclear plant if people remained outdoors for 24 hours between March 12th and 24th.

That is 100 times higher than the 1 millisievert-per-year long-term reference level for humans as recommended by the International Commission on Radiological Protection.

The Nuclear Safety Commission says it did not release the projections because the location or the amount of radioactive leakage was not specified at the time.

Professor emeritus Shigenobu Nagataki of Nagasaki University, says the government should release more data about the dangers of possible radiation exposure and draw up evacuation plans and other measures together with residents.

Monday, April 04, 2011 12:38 +0900 (JST)

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/04_10.html

[beefsteak]

Another spaghetti against the wall idea?




Tepco Plans Silt Barrier in Sea Halt Stop Radioactive Leak
April 04, 2011, 3:11 AM EDT

By Ichiro Suzuki and Tsuyoshi Inajima

April 4 (Bloomberg) -- Tokyo Electric Power Co. plans to build an undersea silt barrier stop the leak of radioactive fluids from its crippled nuclear station after attempts to block the flow of contaminated water from a reactor failed.


“A silt fence ensures that mud down deep doesn’t seep through,” Hidehiko Nishiyama, Japan’s spokesman on nuclear safety, said in Tokyo. The barrier may take “several days” to install and will “ensure that water doesn’t leak from the area in front of the No. 2 reactor’s intake duct and the conduit.”

Japanese officials are trying new ways to plug the leak and met Jeffrey Immelt, chief executive officer of General Electric Co., to discuss technical support to contain the crisis at reactors based on the U.S. company’s design. The leak itself may not pose a severe threat, said Kathryn Higley, professor of nuclear engineering and radiation health physics at Oregon State University.

“You’re likely to have a footprint in the soil and the sands and sediments as that material leaks out, but the impact is likely to be pretty minimal,” Higley said yesterday in a telephone interview. “Even if it does get out into that marine environment, that area around there has been pretty badly torn up, so there’s not a lot of life to be impacting.”


GE’s Immelt
Fairfield, Connecticut-based GE has offered technical assistance and help since the earthquake and tsunami hit through its venture with Hitachi Ltd. Immelt met with Tokyo Electric officials including Chairman Tsunehisa Katsumata yesterday and Trade Minister Banri Kaieda today.

GE will offer gas turbines to the utility known as TEPCO to ease energy shortages in the Japanese capital and surrounding area after the nation’s strongest earthquake on record, Immelt told reporters after meeting Kaieda.

TEPCO has been working to stop radiation leaks at its Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear station since the March 11 quake and tsunami knocked out the plant’s cooling systems, resulting in a partial meltdown of some of its six reactors.

The latest efforts are aimed at stemming the flow of radioactive water from the No. 2 reactor to the sea through a conduit used to take in sea water.

TEPCO initially tried to plug a crack in a power-cable storage pit near the reactor by filling it with concrete on April 2, and yesterday attempted to clog it with a mix of sawdust, newspaper and absorbent polymer used in baby diapers.


Radioctive Water
The silt fence to be used next will be a temporary measure to contain the contaminated water within the conduit, said Nishiyama, deputy director at Japan’s Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency.

A silt fence is usually used to filter dirt and solid impurities in rivers and seas during construction, said Yoshinori Hashimoto, a spokesman at Maeda Kosen Co., which makes industrial materials made from fiber, including the barriers. They are also used at the seawater intake gate of nuclear power plants, he said, adding that neither TEPCO nor the government has approached the company to place an order.

TEPCO planned to start infusing nitrogen gas into the reactors yesterday to reduce the threat of hydrogen explosions, and was connecting power cables to pumps used to circulate cooling water to the reactors.

The bodies of two workers missing since the March 11 earthquake were found yesterday, TEPCO said. They had been performing maintenance in the basement of the No. 4 reactor at the plant, the company said yesterday in a news conference streamed over the Internet.


Seven Deaths
The latest deaths bring to seven the number of workers killed at the utility’s two nuclear power complexes in Fukushima, including five employees of sub-contractors whose deaths were confirmed on March 12 and 14.

It may take several months to stop the emission of radioactive material, Goshi Hosono, a lawmaker in the Democratic Party of Japan in the ruling coalition, told reporters. Hosono is an envoy between the government and TEPCO.

Radiation in the air above contaminated seawater near the Fukushima Dai-Ichi plant was measured at more than 1,000 millisieverts an hour, Tepco official Junichi Matsumoto said April 2. Exposure to that level for an hour would trigger nausea, and four hours might lead to death within two months, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

Radiation Monitoring
Japan’s nuclear safety agency last week ordered TEPCO to increase monitoring of seawater near the No. 2 reactor after the leaks led to a rise in radiation, according to Nishiyama. Above- normal levels of radioactive iodine were detected in seawater 40 kilometers (25 miles) south of the plant, broadcaster NHK reported.

About 10 centimeters (4 inches) to 20 centimeters of radioactive water was found in the leaking pit, which is 1.2 meters by 1.9 meters across and 2 meters deep, and had a crack about 20 centimeters wide, Takashi Kurita, a company spokesman, told reporters at a briefing on the weekend.

A TEPCO executive said yesterday he isn’t optimistic about the prospect of containing damage at the Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear power plant’s No. 3 reactor.

“I don’t know if we can ever enter the No. 3 reactor building again,” Hikaru Kuroda, the company’s chief of nuclear facility management, said at a press conference.

A 9-magnitude earthquake and subsequent tsunami severed power and damaged reactors at the Fukushima complex about 220 kilometers (136 miles) north of Tokyo. Workers have been spraying water on the reactors to cool radioactive fuel rods in the worst nuclear accident since Chernobyl in 1986.

Wind at the Fukushima plant will blow from the northwest today, at a speed of two meters to seven meters a second, the Japan Meteorological Agency said in a forecast.

The total number of dead and missing from the disaster in Japan was 27,653 as of 10 a.m. Tokyo time today.
-----------------------------------

--With assistance from Akiko Nishimae in New York, David Wethe in Houston, Shinhye Kang in Seoul and Jae Hur in Tokyo. Editors: Amit Prakash, John Viljoen

[gunDriller]

This article also includes temp estimates of 1,200 Degrees Celsius (2,192 Degrees Fahrenheit.)

beefsteak


http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/images/20110316p2g00m0dm016000p_size5.jpg

in this pic, the area off to the upper left - is that the ocean, or is that a lagoon (man-made or otherwise), or is it a solid piece of land ?


i did a search for the 1200 degree Celsius reference.

http://www.google.com/search?q=fukushima+reactor+1200+1%2C200+degrees+Ce lsius&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

found this -
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/japan-races-to-avert-nuclear-meltdown-as-tsunami-death-toll-threatens-to-top-1200/story-fn84naht-1226020607183

"Officials declined to say what the temperature was inside the troubled reactor, Unit 1. At 1,200 degrees Celsius, the zirconium casings of the fuel rods can react with the cooling water and create hydrogen. At 2,200C, the uranium fuel pellets inside the rods start to melt, the beginning of a meltdown." - article from march 13

[Serpo]

15:00 JST April 4: Emergency crew at Japan's tsunami-hit nuclear plant used a colour dye Monday to trace the source of a radioactive leak as lower business confidence signalled the disaster's economic impact.

While round-the-clock work continued to prevent a wider catastrophe at the Fukushima Daiichi plant, Tokyo's officials at UN climate talks reportedly suggested Japan may have to back off ambitious targets to cut carbon emissions.

Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO), owner of the troubled nuclear site, has been struggling to regain control since a 9.0-magnitude earthquake and ensuing tsunami on March 11 knocked out its cooling systems, leading fuel rods to overheat and threatening a meltdown.

An immediate concern is a radioactive leak into the ocean through a cracked concrete pit, which has continued despite efforts to stem the flow in a pipe upstream with a polymer capable of absorbing 50 times its own volume in water. (AFP )

http://www.newsonjapan.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjulAfp1mfM&feature=player_embedded


WRAPUP 1-Japan seeks Russian help to end nuclear crisis





Mon Apr 4, 2011 12:57pm EDT

Japan has also asked Russia for radiation treatment ship, the "Suzuran", which treats radioactive liquids, Kyodo and Jiji news agencies said.

The ship, a joint venture between Japan and Russia, was designed to help decommission nuclear submarines in Russia's Pacific fleet in Vladivostock, ensuring radioactive waste was not dumped into the Sea of Japan, Kyodo said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/04/japan-idUSL3E7F42CD20110404?pageNumber=2

[gunDriller]

it sounds like the scientists think the blue light and the presence of that other chemical (Tellurium ?) are evidence of re-criticality.

[sirgonzo420]

it sounds like the scientists think the blue light and the presence of that other chemical (Tellurium ?) are evidence of re-criticality.


Fun fact about tellurium128: it has the longest half-life of all radionuclides, which is about 160 trillion times the estimated age of the known universe.


lol

[Horn]

it sounds like the scientists think the blue light and the presence of that other chemical (Tellurium ?) are evidence of re-criticality.


Fun fact about tellurium128: it has the longest half-life of all radionuclides, which is about 160 trillion times the estimated age of the known universe.

lol


Did round that up, or down?

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKUW1_PAjIE&feature=player_embedded

Canada suspends mobile radiation measurements around Vancouver, BC “until further notice” as radioactive cloud looms

http://enenews.com/canada-suspends-mobile-radiation-measurements-around-vancouver-bc-further-notice#comment-6508

[Serpo]

it sounds like the scientists think the blue light and the presence of that other chemical (Tellurium ?) are evidence of re-criticality.


Fun fact about tellurium128: it has the longest half-life of all radionuclides, which is about 160 trillion times the estimated age of the known universe.


lol


Oh well thats not so bad then , hang what?

is that longer than our life times,,,,,at least its not 200 trillion times or we would be in serious trouble then............

[Serpo]

it sounds like the scientists think the blue light and the presence of that other chemical (Tellurium ?) are evidence of re-criticality.


Fun fact about tellurium128: it has the longest half-life of all radionuclides, which is about 160 trillion times the estimated age of the known universe.

lol


Did round that up, or down?




to the nearest 10 trill


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W7uGvW8xvY&feature=player_embedded

[Horn]

to the nearest 10 trill


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W7uGvW8xvY&feature=player_embedded


Its in full Murphy's law zone, now.

They sure as hell ain't gonna build them in battery formations anymore, if at all that should be a definite.

There's just too many units over there that are in need of repair.

[beefsteak]

April 04, 2011
Japan seeks Russian help to end nuclear crisis
Chizu Nomiyama And Yoko Nishikawa

TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan has asked Russia to send a floating radiation treatment plant, used to decommission nuclear submarines, which will solidify contaminated liquid waste from the country's crippled nuclear power plant, Russian media reported.

Engineers at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant have been forced to release radioactive water into the sea until Friday and have resorted to desperate measures to contain the damage, such as using bath salts as a dye to try to locate the source of leaks at the complex 240 km (150 miles) north of Tokyo.

More than three weeks after a 9.0 magnitude earthquake and massive tsunami hit northeast Japan and damaged the plant, engineers are no closer to regaining control of the facility or stopping radioactive leaks.

.........

FLOATING RADIATION PLANT

After seeking help from France and the United States, Japan had now asked Russia to send the floating radiation treatment plant "Suzuran," which has been used to decommission Russian submarines in nearby Vladivostock, Interfax news agency reported.

The "Suzuran," one of the world's largest liquid radioactive waste treatment plants, treats radioactive liquid with chemicals and stores it in a cement form. It is can process 35 cubic meters of liquid waste a day (35 metric tons of liquid) and 7,000 cubic meters a year.

Engineers also plan to build two giant "silt curtains" made of polyester fabric in the sea to block the spread of more contamination from the plant.

TEPCO has start releasing 11,500 metric tons of low-level radioactive seawater that had been used to cool overheated fuel rods after it ran out of storage capacity for more highly contaminated water.
http://www.realclearworld.com/news/reuters/international/2011/Apr/04/japan_seeks_russian_help_to_end_nuclear_crisis.htm l

[Neuro]

it sounds like the scientists think the blue light and the presence of that other chemical (Tellurium ?) are evidence of re-criticality.


Fun fact about tellurium128: it has the longest half-life of all radionuclides, which is about 160 trillion times the estimated age of the known universe.


lol
It can't be very radioactive then...

[beefsteak]

200T WATER added per day, in "feed and bleed" operation---Nuke Eng. Arnie Gunderson

11,500T radioactive WATER has to/is now being drained into ocean ---TEPCO

60,000T highly radioactive WATER will be put into "megafloat" storage...soon. ---KYODO

35T WATER treated per day by "Suzuran" vessel when "Suzuran" arrives from Russia. Treated means encased/stored in concrete form. ---TEPCO



Removal of 60,000 tons of radioactive water eyed at Fukushima plant

TOKYO, April 5, Kyodo

A total of 60,000 tons of radioactive water is believed to be flooding the basement of reactor buildings and underground trenches connected to them at the crisis-hit Fukushima nuclear plant, the industry minister said Tuesday, adding that its operator will later remove the liquid (which is) obstructing recovery work.

Tokyo Electric Power Co., which runs the Fukushima Daiichi power station, began dumping low-level radioactive water into the Pacific Ocean on Monday as an emergency step to secure room for the storage of more highly contaminated water. The utility known as TEPCO aims to dispose of a total of 11,500 tons of low-level tainted water into the sea by this weekend from the plant on the coast.

Economy, Trade and Industry Minister Banri Kaieda maintained that contamination of the sea to be caused by the disposal will pose no major health risk, while apologizing for raising concerns among the public, especially fishermen.

In another sign that contamination is affecting the marine environment, however, radioactive cesium exceeding the maximum allowable limit was detected in young launce taken Monday in the sea near the northern part of Ibaraki Prefecture, the prefecture's fishery cooperative said. It is the first time that contamination levels in seafood have exceeded the limit.

The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said the 60,000 tons of water -- 20,000 tons each from the Nos. 1-3 reactor buildings and trenches -- will be stored in tanks at the units, a facility for nuclear waste disposal at the site, an artificial floating island called a ''megafloat,'' U.S. Navy barges and provisional tanks.

The complex for nuclear waste disposal can accommodate 30,000 tons of such water but it will take a while before it can store the liquid because TEPCO will try to ensure that radioactive water will not leak from the facility by using coating agents, the agency said.

The provisional tanks will be shipped to the Fukushima plant by the end of this month, it added.

Meanwhile, TEPCO began work Tuesday afternoon to stop the leakage into the sea of highly radioactive water believed to be originating from the No. 2 reactor's core, where fuel rods have partially melted.

The water containing radioactive iodine-131 more than 10,000 times the legal concentration limit has been leaking from a cracked seaside pit connected to the No. 2 reactor turbine building.

In a new finding, TEPCO said Tuesday (4,5,2011) a seawater sample taken Saturday near the No. 2 reactor's water intake showed the iodine-131 concentration at 7.5 million times the maximum allowable level under law.

To halt the flow of radioactive water, the operator injected ''water glass,'' or sodium silicate, shortly after 3 p.m. Tuesday into graveled areas beneath the pit's bottom, where radioactive water is believed to be seeping through.

The utility has tried to block the radioactive water leakage with concrete and water-absorbing polymeric materials, but its efforts have so far been unsuccessful.

TEPCO has also poured in white bath agents to trace the route of the leakage but colored water did not emerge from the seaside pit, leaving the path of contamination unknown.

Removal of tainted water is necessary to reduce the risk of workers being exposed to radioactive substances and facilitate efforts to restore vital cooling functions to cool down the reactors and spent nuclear fuel pools at the site, which was ravaged by the devastating March 11 quake and tsunami.

The utility has been pouring massive amounts of water into the reactors and their spent nuclear fuel pools as a stopgap measure to cool them down, because serious damage to the fuel rods from overheating could lead to the release of enormous amounts of radioactive materials into the environment.

However, the measure is believed to be linked to the possible leak of highly contaminated water from the reactors.

==Kyodo
---------------------

Hardened/cured/dry to the touch water glass re-liquifies after it once hardens if re-subjected to an allowed to soak in water long enough. What are we missing here???

[Serpo]

Fukushima Is Horrifically Worse Than You Have Been Told
Fukushima is a kind of global “kill shot,” make no mistake about that. The situation is dire in the extreme. The global nuclear industry is trying to kill you, and Fukushima is their latest broadside, aimed at the whole planet. The entire nuclear complex, from uranium mining, to nuclear weapons (including depleted uranium munitions), to nuclear electrical generating plants, to research reactors, to so-called “nuclear medicine,” has to go.

Look at the photos of the Fukushima plant at this link:

http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-npp/daiichi-photos.htm

Does any rational person seriously think that such total destruction can be fixed or repaired? That it is only a question of reconnecting the electricity and turning the pumps back on?

The reactors and spent-fuel-rod-cooling-pools have been shredded. It's a war zone, and I mean that literally. The nuclear industry has turned this planet into a giant nuclear war zone that targets the entire human race, and Fukushima is its latest battlefield.
Believe me, the situation is worse than bad, it's worse than dire, it is history-altering horrific. A lot of people are going to die from what is happening in Fukushima, into the millions for sure, that is not in question. The only question is how many millions. If we are “lucky,” only one or two million persons will die. And if we are unlucky, well, things could get really grim, unimaginably hellish, on this planet we call home.

Here's how bad it really is.

There are up to 1,000 dead bodies in the countryside around the Fukushima nuclear reactors that can't be collected, because the corpses are too radioactive. (1)

The caesium fallout levels now rival the levels recorded when the Soviet nuclear reactor at Chernobyl exploded in 1986. (2)

As of this past week, three of the reactors at Fukushima are in a state of melt down, and if they can't be stopped, the radioactive result may be “permanent dead zones” in Japan. (3)

It may take many years, perhaps as much as 50 to 100 years, to bring the reactor cores back under control. (4)

The Japanese government is bringing in the world's largest concrete pump from the USA, to spray water on the melting-down nuclear reactors. (5)(6)

Even the Japanese Prime Minister admits that the Japanese government is in a state of “maximum alert.” (7)

As well he might, given reports that, “Various embassies in Japan are passing out potassium iodide tablets... “ to their citizens (8)

That suggests that the embassies know that harmful radiation is spreading more widely from the reactors.

The hard truth is that even low levels of radiation can hurt you badly, even kill you.

You don't have to believe me. Listen to Jeff Patterson, DO, immediate past president of Physicians for Social Responsibility:

"There is no safe level of radionuclide exposure, whether from food, water or other sources. Period. Exposure to radionuclides, such as iodine-131 and cesium-137, increases the incidence of cancer. For this reason, every effort must be taken to minimize the radionuclide content in food and water." (9)

You want to know what nuclear radiation does to babies? Look at these photos of what the nuclear fall-out from the depleted uranium munitions used by the United States military has produced in Iraq.

(Warning: very graphic images, not for viewing by children or the faint of heart.)

http://www.xs4all.nl/~stgvisie/VISIE/extremedeformities.html

And these:

http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/2003/DU-Baby2003.htm

That is the ghastly fruit of American foreign and military policy, of more than 60 years of nuclear engineering by the military-industrial complex.

Look at the photos in the links above. Think of them the next time you salute the American flag, or sing the Star Spangled Banner, or send money to the IRS, because when you do that you are paying for American troops to do these things, and you are praising the darkly wicked system that produces these unspeakably horrific crimes.

It's your money, and from here on you can never say that you didn't know, that you had no idea these things were happening, in your name as an American and with your money, because now you do know.

The age of innocence and feigned ignorance is over. This is what the nuclear industry is doing to the human race, whether through the American military on foreign battlefields, or through the willful, criminal negligence of the nuclear power industry.

These matters are of soul defining importance. What are you going to do about it?

http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-npp/daiichi-photos.htm



http://eventhorizonchronicle.blogspot.com/2011/04/fukushima-is-horrifically-worse-than.html

Notes
1) http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/82200.html

2) http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20305-caesium-fallout-from-fukushima-rivals-chernobyl.html

3) http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=604AB3FA803FF3647DF6E34EC5E8C8A0

4) http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/04/01/3179487.htm

5) http://chronicle.augusta.com/latest-news/2011-03-31/srs-concrete-pump-heading-japan-nuclear-site

6) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1371793/Fukushima-nuclear-plant-entombed-concrete-Japan-admits-battle-crippled-reactors-lost.html

7) http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.35c2caa5efa0e183b7b38a2d0e2b7f4 0.191&show_article=1

(8) http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110329a8.html

(9) http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23902

[Horn]

Serpo>
Look at the photos of the Fukushima plant at this link:

http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-npp/daiichi-photos.htm


Excellent pictures there, thanks.

2 & 3 are just a twisted balls of metal. I have no idea why they would want power or water back into those buildings?

It looks like if you restored power & water there you would just be electrocuted from it.

[gunDriller]

Serpo>
Look at the photos of the Fukushima plant at this link:

http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-npp/daiichi-photos.htm


Excellent pictures there, thanks.

2 & 3 are just a twisted balls of metal. I have no idea why they would want power or water back into those buildings?

It looks like if you restored power & water there you would just be electrocuted from it.



i think that's exactly right.

from a long term point of view, the best thing is to transition to a design that requires no maintenance, that safely stores the degrading nuclear materials, or that stores them as safely as possible - with no additional energy input, or human input, or money input ... in case there is no body to watch them.

at this point, just the dirt around the Fukushima reactor is sufficient to count as a "dirty bomb". and it's not secure.

i don't even want to say what i could imagine the Talmud-worshippers doing with it.

[beefsteak]

Gunny,
was it you who was asking about what was water and what was solid land on the ocean side lagoon east of the 4 primarily leaking reactors clear out to the jetty? Those pix in the above post contain possible clues to address your question. Interesting question.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKUW1_PAjIE&feature=player_embedded

Canada suspends mobile radiation measurements around Vancouver, BC “until further notice” as radioactive cloud looms

http://enenews.com/canada-suspends-mobile-radiation-measurements-around-vancouver-bc-further-notice#comment-6508


Horn,
have the Canadians got their monitors back up and have resumed monitoring?

I don't know where you're finding these wind/radiation distribution maps, but keep them coming. That's good info for folks on the coast before it gets to Ill., Ohio., and Pa., MA....

[Cobalt]

Plant radiation monitor says levels immeasurable

A radiation monitor at the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant says workers there are exposed to immeasurable levels of radiation.

The monitor told NHK that no one can enter the plant's No. 1 through 3 reactor buildings because radiation levels are so high that monitoring devices have been rendered useless. He said even levels outside the buildings exceed 100 millisieverts in some places.

Pools and streams of water contaminated by high-level radiation are being found throughout the facility.

The monitor said he takes measurements as soon as he finds water, because he can't determine whether it's contaminated just by looking at it. He said he's very worried about the safety of workers there.

Contaminated water and efforts to remove it have been hampering much-needed work to cool the reactors.

The monitor expressed frustration, likening the situation to looking up a mountain that one has to climb, without having taken a step up.

Tuesday, April 05, 2011 19:51 +0900 (JST)


http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/05_38.html

[Horn]

Beefsteak> Hardened/cured/dry to the touch water glass re-liquifies after it once hardens if re-subjected to an allowed to soak in water long enough. What are we missing here???

Sounds like there are multiple leaks from different reactors into the sea & around the sea water intakes. And are just trying a temp patch to get one fixed until they find the other.

Guess they need to keep the reactors above ground because it is worse for them to sink & touch the water table there, hence the tanks being brought in AT THE END OF THE MONTH!!! Think they could get something a little sooner somewhere?

Until then its just bleed into the sea, or use what capacity there, but i think if they do that the radiation levels are too high.

The new tanks must be insulated for it?

[Cobalt]

Japan apologizes to S.Korea for water release

Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency has apologized to neighboring countries for causing concern over the release of contaminated water into the sea from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

A senior official of the agency, Hidehiko Nishiyama, told a news conference on Tuesday that Japan failed to contact South Korea before taking the measure.

South Korea's foreign ministry expressed concern on Monday that Japan hadn't notified the country of the release in advance.

Nishiyama said he is sorry for raising concern in the country, although the release was an emergency measure.

He added that the government will fully explain the decision to related countries and reply to questions about the situation at the troubled plant.

Tuesday, April 05, 2011 22:26 +0900 (JST)


http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/05_43.html

[Neuro]

So there weeks on end splashing of water on the reactors, makes further rescue work impossible. They could have already covered up the reactors at this point, certainly it wouldn't make the area safe, nor stopped it from being one of the worst disasters ever, but I fear at this point they may not even be able to effectively cover this fukup, because all they have been doing so far is spread the radioactive materials all over the place...

[Horn]

So there weeks on end splashing of water on the reactors, makes further rescue work impossible. They could have already covered up the reactors at this point, certainly it wouldn't make the area safe, nor stopped it from being one of the worst disasters ever, but I fear at this point they may not even be able to effectively cover this fukup, because all they have been doing so far is spread the radioactive materials all over the place...


Right, This is making the gulf trial & error episode look like a walk in the park.

I'm worried about North Korea's reaction to it spreading into the surrounding sea.

[beefsteak]

Horn,
the only quickie insulation I can think of would be lead, and that only restrains a portion of the emissions. I'll ask my engineer buddy. Concrete and Steel are the other engineered containments with which I'm mildly conversant. I simply don't know. Perhaps Arnie Gunderson will address that in an update.

Neuro,
they wouldn't be finished with cement in one after 3 weeks of concrete, let alone on all 6 reactors/buildings, but they'd at least be started by now, I agree with you.

It doesn't take rocket science to start dumping Sand on the mess on Day 2. Now it's what, Day 25? At least silica responds to extreme heat and goes molten, then hardens. I'm beginning to wonder if TEPCO's engineers are NOT the right people for the job. As someone else has pointed out, GE's Immelt should plug that one gushing "leak" hole nicely, yes?

Interesting no one has picked up on GE's Immelt's name being so prophetic, yes?

Words fail me.

[Horn]

I've been seeing some stuff on if its covered it will blow like Chernobyl. The whole game now is directed towards stasis.

What they really need is Mr. Freeze.

They're talking about nitrogen currently.

http://enenews.com/urgent-japan-worried-about-more-explosions-considering-injecting-nitrogen-into-containment-vessels-kyodo

[beefsteak]

Japan apologizes to S.Korea for water release

Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency has apologized to neighboring countries for causing concern over the release of contaminated water into the sea from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

A senior official of the agency, Hidehiko Nishiyama, told a news conference on Tuesday that Japan failed to contact South Korea before taking the measure.

South Korea's foreign ministry expressed concern on Monday that Japan hadn't notified the country of the release in advance.

Nishiyama said he is sorry for raising concern in the country, although the release was an emergency measure.

He added that the government will fully explain the decision to related countries and reply to questions about the situation at the troubled plant.

Tuesday, April 05, 2011 22:26 +0900 (JST)


http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/05_43.html


Cobalt,
What's that old expression?

Sometimes "better to ask forgiveness than permission..."

[beefsteak]

The following just keeps going ding ding ding in the back of my mind...


The radiation levels were highest in the water that was being drained from reactor No. 6, the officials said.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/04/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?hpt=P1

Unit #6 ?

[keehah]

I guess basically the whole area is that contaminated.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/04/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?hpt=P1

The water in reactors Nos. 5 and 6 is coming from a subdrain and wasn't inside the building itself, officials said. Tests suggest that groundwater is the source of the contamination in these two units, but they are not certain.

[beefsteak]

Japan dumps thousands of tons of radioactive water into sea
By the CNN Wire Staff
April 4, 2011 -- Updated 1347 GMT (2147 HKT)

Tokyo (CNN) -- Japan began dumping thousands of tons of radioactive water into the Pacific Ocean on Monday, an emergency move officials said was needed to curtail a worse leak from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

In all, about 11,500 tons of radioactive water that has collected at the nuclear facility will be dumped into the sea, officials said Monday, as workers also try to deal with a crack that has been a conduit for contamination.

The radiation levels were highest in the water that was being drained from reactor No. 6, the officials said.

These are the latest but hardly the only challenges facing workers at the embattled power plant and its six reactors, which have been in constant crisis since last month's ruinous earthquake and tsunami.

Officials with Tokyo Electric Power Company, which runs the plant, proposed the release of excess water that has pooled in and around the Nos. 5 and 6 reactors into the sea. But most of the dumped water -- 10,000 tons -- will come from the plant's central waste treatment facility, which will then be used to store highly radioactive water from the No. 2 unit, an official with the power company said.

The water in reactors Nos. 5 and 6 is coming from a subdrain and wasn't inside the building itself, officials said. Tests suggest that groundwater is the source of the contamination in these two units, but they are not certain.

Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano called the dumping "unavoidable." The liquid was most likely contaminated in the process of trying to cool nuclear fuel rods. (9 days at 200T Water in Feed and Bleed Operation = 1,800 Tons of "trying to cool rods" operation...11,500 dumped? ??? ??? ???

The scope of the dump was staggering.

"For an idea about how much is 11,500 tons, one metric ton is 1,000 kilograms or about 2,200 pounds, which is close to an English ton. Water is about 8.5 pounds per gallon, so one ton is about 260 gallons," said Gary Was, a professor of nuclear engineering at the University of Michigan. "So 11,500 tons is about 3 million gallons. A spent fuel pool holds around 300,000 gallons. So this amount of water is equivalent to the volume of roughly 10 (spent fuel pools)."

It could take 50 hours to dump all the water, Tokyo Electric said.

The dumping of so much radioactive water into the ocean conjures up fears of mutated sea life and contamination of the human food chain, but experts said the radiation will be quickly diluted, minimizing risk.

"To put this in perspective, the Pacific Ocean holds about 300 trillion swimming pools full of water and they're going to release about five swimming pools full of water. So hopefully the churning of the ocean and the currents will quickly disperse this so that it gets to very dilute concentrations relatively quickly," said Timothy Jorgensen, chair of the radiation safety committee at Georgetown University Medical Center.

"It's a considerable amount of water, but the immensity of the Pacific Ocean will quickly dilute this amount of water to harmless levels," he added.

John Till, president of Risk Assessment Corp., similarly cited the vastness of the ocean in helping to minimize harm, and said he does not expect to see any permanent effects on marine life, even close in to the plant.

However, he said officials should continue to monitor the radiation levels closely.

"What we have to watch is how these materials accumulate in food products and then could be consumed by people," Till said.

The build-up of water could cause problems around the nuclear facility, which is 240 kilometers (150 miles) north of Tokyo, Edano said Monday.

Authorities have made a priority of dealing with water from the No. 2 unit, some of which has been gushing into the sea through a crack in a concrete shaft.( So which is it? Is it gushing? Leaking? or Being Stored and in process of being dumped?)

"The radioactivity level is very high near the No. 2 reactor, and we know this. We have to stop the leak as early as possible to prevent this from going into the sea," (Prevent ??? ???) Edano said. "The radioactivity level is much less in the water from the Nos. 3 and 4 units."

Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency officials said Monday night that the hope is that pumping out the No. 2 reactor turbine plant will lower the water level enough that contaminated liquid won't be able to reach the sea.

"I am not able to say for certain (camel's nose in the tent syndrom?) whether or not this will be the last discharge, but we certainly would like to avoid releasing any such water into the sea as much as possible," agency spokesman Hidehiko Nishiyama said.

Officials were still awaiting test results to confirm the water pouring into the ocean is leaking from the highly radioactive No. 2 reactor.

"We don't know clearly, but we feel it is somehow leaking from Unit 2," Nishiyama said. Even if the water is confirmed to have come from the reactor, neither Tokyo Electric nor government officials know how it is making its way from the reactor to the leaking pit, he said.

Once the water is pumped out of the waste treatment reservoir, the agency believes it can safely transfer the water from the basement of the No. 2 turbine plant to the reservoir without further leaks, he said.

Though Japanese officials say the water being discharged is less radioactive than the water now leaking into the sea, its top concentration of radioactive iodine-131 is 20 becquerels per cubic centimeter, or 200,000 becquerels per kilogram. That's 10 times the level of radioactivity permitted in food. But since it's being dumped into the Pacific, it will be quickly diluted, according to Dr. James Cox, a radiation oncologist at Houston's MD Anderson Cancer Center and a CNN consultant.

Reactors No. 1 and No. 3, which have lower levels of water, need to be drained as well. Tokyo Electric's plan is to pump that water to other storage tanks, including some that still need to be set up.

Attempts to fill the 20-centimeter (8-inch) crack outside the No. 2 reactor's turbine building -- on Saturday by pouring in concrete, then Sunday by using a chemical compound mixed with sawdust and newspaper -- were not successful.

As officials mull other ways to cut off the leak at its source, workers will install a silt fence along a damaged sea wall surrounding the plant, Nishiyama said. The aim of this screening, usually used to halt erosion at construction sites, is to prohibit the spread of radioactive particles into the sea.

Workers also have injected a dye tracer into the water to allow them to track the dispersal of such particles, the spokesman added.

Addressing the issue quickly is critical because officials believe it is a source of alarmingly high radiation levels in seawater near the plant, as well as in nearby groundwater.

Complicating the situation is the fact that, in some cases, authorities don't even know how much radiation is getting out.

After some high-profile errors, little new information on water, ground and air radiation has been released since Thursday. One reason is that the dosimeters being used don't go above 1,000 millisieverts per hour, said Junichi Matsumoto, an executive with Tokyo Electric.

Authorities know the water in the cracked concrete shaft is emitting at least that much radiation -- which equates, at a minimum, to more than 330 times the dose an average resident of an industrialized country naturally receives in a year.

Plugging the external leak is job one, in order to prevent the outflow of radiation into the Pacific. But it may not be the most difficult, or important, task ahead.

Authorities still have to figure out how the tainted water got into the concrete shaft in the first place. The water had to come from somewhere, potentially traveling across melted-down nuclear fuel in the reactor's core before somehow reaching the outside.

"We were assuming and hoping (that water) would stay in the containment vessel as vapor after being cooled," Nishiyama, the nuclear safety official, said Sunday. "However, it may have flowed into the building, and then the trench."

Determining why and how that happened -- and what to do about it -- may be "exceptionally challenging," said physicist James Acton, with the Washington-based Carnegie Endowment think tank. Officials may have to inspect a complex array of pipes inside the dangerous radioactive environment inside the containment buildings.

The state of the Nos. 5 and 6 units is another new problem. Water in their turbine buildings' basements threatens the power supply for the system used to cool nuclear material in these units' spent fuel pools, Edano said. This makes it imperative to pump out that water, which will end up into the sea like that from around the Nos. 3 and 4 units.

"Though those reactors are stable at the moment, the growing water level in the turbine houses may disturb their stability," he said.

The effort to keep the Nos. 1, 2 and 3 reactor cores and spent fuel pools cool took a step forward Sunday, when the electricity source powering those three units' cooling systems was switched from a temporary diesel generator to a more permanent, external power supply, according to the International Atomic Energy Agency's website.

Authorities hope this step, as well as preventing damage to the Nos. 5 and 6 units' power supply, will help to minimize the prospect of any more radiation that might contaminate tap water or food.

Farmers have pushed for lower standards on radiation in food, calling them unnecessarily stringent. On Monday, Edano said these limits would not change, even as he outlined a process in which sales restrictions on certain crops, in certain areas, would be lifted if they test safe three times in a row.

CNN's Matt Smith, Tsukushi Ikeda, Yoko Wakatsuki, Junko Ogura, Midori Nakata, Susan Olson and Martin Savidge contributed to this
report

[beefsteak]

Antonio,
You stated earlier you were reading a thick book on the Chornobyl incident and aftermath.

How's that going? Any gems to share?

beefsteak

[Horn]

John Till, president of Risk Assessment Corp., similarly cited the vastness of the ocean in helping to minimize harm, and said he does not expect to see any permanent effects on marine life, even close in to the plant.

Later that evening he was scheduled to have his hand removed from his face.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX62w9yE9KA

[Serpo]

Plan to cover Fukushima reactors with sheets will not happen until September at the earliest — Trying to stem “possible surges in radiation levels or further explosions”

http://enenews.com/plan-to-cover-fukushima-reactors-with-sheets-will-not-happen-until-september-at-the-earliest-trying-to-stem-possible-surges-in-radiation-levels-or-further-explosions

[sirgonzo420]

Plan to cover Fukushima reactors with sheets will not happen until September at the earliest — Trying to stem “possible surges in radiation levels or further explosions”

http://enenews.com/plan-to-cover-fukushima-reactors-with-sheets-will-not-happen-until-september-at-the-earliest-trying-to-stem-possible-surges-in-radiation-levels-or-further-explosions


Any idea of the new buzzword label for the plan?


"Hot sheet"?

[Cobalt]

http://seetell.jp/wp-content/uploads/3-Eyed-Nuclear-Fish-Food-52699.jpg

[Olmstein]

Plan to cover Fukushima reactors with sheets will not happen until September at the earliest — Trying to stem “possible surges in radiation levels or further explosions”

http://enenews.com/plan-to-cover-fukushima-reactors-with-sheets-will-not-happen-until-september-at-the-earliest-trying-to-stem-possible-surges-in-radiation-levels-or-further-explosions


Any idea of the new buzzword label for the plan?


"Hot sheet"?


"Operation Cover up"

[beefsteak]

Opps.....wonder if India was on the short list along with So. Korea....



India Halts All Food Imports From Japan After Fukushima Fish Found With Excess Radioactivity
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 04/05/2011 17:32 -0400

After dumping thousands of tons of radioactive water in the sea, Japan appears to have been stunned to find that the radioactive content of various fish has surged and is now above just imposed radiation safety thresholds.

From Kyodo: "Japan hastily set a legal limit Tuesday for the permitted level of radioactive iodine in seafood as safety concerns spread overseas in the wake of continuing leaks contaminated water into the Pacific Ocean from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

"The limit of 2,000 bequerels per kilogram set by the Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare for radioactive iodine in marine products such as fish and shellfish is the same as that already adopted for vegetables, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano told a press conference.

The imposition of the limit followed the detection by Japanese authorities 4,080 bequerels per kilogram of radioactive iodine in young sand lance (http://www.ecy.wa.gov/programs/sea/pugetsound/species/sandlance.html, a.k.a., candlefish)
http://www.ecy.wa.gov/programs/sea/pugetsound/species/sandlance2.jpg
caught Friday (before starting the 11,500T low radioactive dump?) off Kitaibaraki in Ibaraki Prefecture.
(This event) prompted the health ministry to consider setting a limit for fish and clams. Different young sand lance, also caught near Kitaibaraki, were found to be contaminated with 526 bequerels per kilogram of radioactive cesium, exceeding the legal limit of 500 bequerels already set by Japan."

And now that Japan has another crisis scenario fall out to deal with, other countries no longer have faith that Japan has any control over the situation and are imposing complete bans on Japanese food imports: first India, and soon everyone else.

Expect sushi prices to surge momentarily.

Sand lance are important food for young salmon; 35% of juvenile salmon diets are composed of sand lance.

Juvenile chinook salmon depend on sand lance for 60% of their diet.

beefsteak

[Cobalt]

No worry folks
I was watching the local news and they had so many people concerned about the radiation models projected forecasts they went off in "search for an expert on the subject"

This is a quote from an "expert"

""You get a lot less radiation from the Fukushima fallout than you get from say, eating a banana," said Mike Miller, an assistant research professor at the University of Washington."

The story here
http://www.kirotv.com/news/27443571/detail.html



You just can't make this Shit up :oo-->

[Kali]

Radiation cloud hitting West Coast tomorrow...

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/tsunami-nowhere-to-run-videos-waves-hit-japan-hawaii-west-coast-on-alert_04052011

[gunDriller]

"Operation Cover up"


today's polite Yahoo news article to Re-assure the General Pubic that Everything is OK ...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110406/ap_on_bi_ge/as_japan_earthquake;_ylt=AmKa.y7EYMJPc0lnxfV8HIys0 NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNqNWE2aDU2BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTEwNDA2L 2FzX2phcGFuX2VhcnRocXVha2UEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXI EY3BvcwMyBHBvcwM3BHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX 3N0b3J5BHNsawNqYXBhbnN0b3BzaGk-

another one of those long links ...

"Japan stops highly radioactive leak into Pacific"

"Workers stopped a highly radioactive leak into the Pacific off Japan's flooded nuclear complex Wednesday, but with the plant far from stabilized, engineers prepared an injection of nitrogen to deter any new hydrogen explosions.

Nitrogen can prevent highly combustible hydrogen from exploding — as it did three times at the compound in the early days of the crisis, set in motion March 11 when cooling systems were crippled by Japan's 9.0-magnitude earthquake and tsunami."


sounds like progress, doesn't it ?

but it doesn't mention that the leak was a conscious action, 3 million gallons of radioactive water because they were unable to grasp that it might be wise to set up holding tanks up the hill, out of range of future tsunamis.

i think one of things we're witnessing is the Japanese approach to creativity - or lack thereof. they're good at reverse engineering, and anime, but they SUCK at on-the-fly problem solving.

maybe they should have the Anime artists just "start drawing stuff", start drawing solutions to the reactor disaster, and then tell the TEPCo engineers & techs to do what the anime guys draw.

[Glass]

I think the chinese are more the reverse engineering masters. Japan has suffered a major nation smashing event. Everything that makes things simpler or faster to do has been knocked out of action. This makes getting on top of it harder or impossible. Too much haste doesn't help. You remember Red Adaire? He never rushed. Sure it's not quite the same but the point is.

I think warning the people so they could help themselves didn't happen and I'm not sure it has yet. The Govt under estimates the fortitude of it's people if only they had clear choices and they need info to make them.

Personally I would have walked out of there as soon as I could. In 2 days walk you would be out of the hot zone.

[keehah]

Need to pump out radioactive water seeping into Units 5 and 6 or these last two reactors could malfunction (and melt down with the others?).

Fukushima Units 5 & 6 flooded,risk of losing their cooling systems.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W7uGvW8xvY

[gunDriller]

I think the chinese are more the reverse engineering masters. Japan has suffered a major nation smashing event. Everything that makes things simpler or faster to do has been knocked out of action. This makes getting on top of it harder or impossible.

Too much haste doesn't help. You remember Red Adaire? He never rushed. Sure it's not quite the same but the point is.


today, China is a major "reverse engineer-er" - but 20-30 years ago, Japan was "king" in that department.

I would think the "major nation smashing event" would be a source of motivation & adrenaline for the teams that are working on it. but, admittedly, you can only take so many 70 hour weeks - especially if you're living without good nutrition.

the one option they have is to ask for international help, in fixing the reactor. some of that is occurring - the US is shipping them one of the world's largest concrete pumps right now, it's being flown on a Russian cargo plane - but obviously not enough.

paper mache leak plugging is just so lame - and releasing 3 million gallons of water into the ocean was so un-necessary. they could easily have pumped that to a safer place.

the way they're going about it, Japan is at risk of promoting an angry backlash, in the form of a boycott.

for some reason they are un-able to admit a simple fact - they are in over their head, way over their head. they need more of an R&D crew that is proficient at improvising under impossible schedules - whereas being a nuclear plant tech. is not the kind of job that attracts creative engineers.

pumping 3 million gallons is a trivial feat - if you have the right tools. all they would have to do is ask Korea, or China, or the US, or Russia, and to be specific about the task - "we have X gallons of water here, we want to pump it there."

[keehah]

I expect much of the released radioactivity will precipitate out near the shoreline and contaminate beaches, fisheries and inland areas (blowing off the beaches) for generations.

Seems they have had enough weeks now to round up a few dozen old barges that can hold liquids and some long tow cables. Fill em and hold them out at sea till the metals can be removed from the water or otherwise treated and stored. Or even to scuttle further offshore in areas less important to fisheries.

Spiegel: A Hapless Fukushima Clean-Up Effort
'We Need Every Piece of Wisdom We Can Get' (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,754868,00.html)

Japan, a leader in the development and use of robots, was also reluctant to accept offers of machinery from the United States and Germany, and even the equipment it did accept hasn't been put to use yet. But anyone listening to the reports coming from emergency workers quickly realizes that the Japanese need more than robots. In fact, the workers at the stricken Fukushima nuclear power plant lack some of the most basic things, like radiation suits, clean underwear and hot meals.

The roughly 400 men risking their lives to prevent the situation from deteriorating even further at the wrecked plant sleep in a building on the plant grounds. They lie on the floor in hallways, in stairwells and even in front of the clogged toilets. Each man has been given a blanket.

There are two meals a day: rationed biscuits in the morning and instant rice and Caloriemate, an energy supplement wafer, in the evening. Initially, each worker received only one bottle of water a day. Now they receive two. The men on whose shoulders the fate of the entire country of Japan rests are not even being given fresh underwear. "Everyone is dreaming of a cup of tea," one worker told the Japanese newspaper Yomiuri.

Workers without Dosimeters

Most of the men wear white protective suits made of Tyvek, a paper-like synthetic material normally used in painters' gear. Neither he nor his coworkers have worn dosimeters, complains worker Masataka Hishida. It is one of the few inadequacies the Japanese nuclear regulatory agency has felt the need to point out. The men were not even given special shoes, says Hishida. The supervisors apparently told them to simply cover their shoes with plastic bags.

The soldiers waging this battle are often ordinary contract workers of the sort Japanese electric utilities have always used to perform the dirty work in reactors. According to data from Japan's Nuclear Safety Commission, 90 percent of the employees exposed to radiation in Japanese nuclear plants work for subcontractors, not for the companies that own the plants.

[Kali]

BREAKING NEWS from Obama.

This is a must see.

Everything going to be OK. He gives us his word.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpAqiGSp29c

[beefsteak]

I expect much of the released radioactivity will precipitate out near the shoreline and contaminate beaches, fisheries and inland areas (blowing off the beaches) for generations.

Seems they have had enough weeks now to round up a few dozen old barges that can hold liquids and some long tow cables. Fill em and hold them out at sea till the metals can be removed from the water or otherwise treated and stored.

Keehah,
do you have some insight to share as to how to
1) separate radioactive solid particulate from contaminated water, or
2) how to precipitate radioactive ions from contaminated water?

I'm curious about both and would appreciate you or anyone else helping this thread to understand these two methods of remediation of contaminated water.

Thanks.

beefsteak

[Large Sarge]

I expect much of the released radioactivity will precipitate out near the shoreline and contaminate beaches, fisheries and inland areas (blowing off the beaches) for generations.

Seems they have had enough weeks now to round up a few dozen old barges that can hold liquids and some long tow cables. Fill em and hold them out at sea till the metals can be removed from the water or otherwise treated and stored.

Keehah,
do you have some insight to share as to how to
1) separate radioactive solid particulate from contaminated water, or
2) how to precipitate radioactive ions from contaminated water?

I'm curious about both and would appreciate you or anyone else helping this thread to understand these two methods of remediation of contaminated water.

Thanks.

beefsteak



universal chem/rad prefilter for water

http://www.jmccanneyscience.com/

[Neuro]

I expect much of the released radioactivity will precipitate out near the shoreline and contaminate beaches, fisheries and inland areas (blowing off the beaches) for generations.

Seems they have had enough weeks now to round up a few dozen old barges that can hold liquids and some long tow cables. Fill em and hold them out at sea till the metals can be removed from the water or otherwise treated and stored.

Keehah,
do you have some insight to share as to how to
1) separate radioactive solid particulate from contaminated water, or
2) how to precipitate radioactive ions from contaminated water?

I'm curious about both and would appreciate you or anyone else helping this thread to understand these two methods of remediation of contaminated water.

Thanks.

beefsteak

Well I think once it is in seawater I don't see a chance in hell to get the radioactive materials out of it. Prior to that you may be able to distill or filter it out. But a part of Sweden got a large amount of radioactive fallout from Chernobyl 25 years ago, and still no significant difference in the rate of cancers and mortality has been detected in this area vs the rest of Sweden. As the us is about 5x the distance from Japan vs Sweden from Chernobyl, 1/25th of the radiation should be expected in the US in relation to the release, possibly a bit more since the winds are tending towards the US from Japan normally, let's assume a tenth. Let's assume that 100 times the radiation will be released from Fukushima vs the Chernobyl reactor (10x the radioactive material x10 because of failure of capping the reactors, still only 10x the radiation will potentially fall on an area of the us which is unlucky to get rain as the radioactivity passes, may cause a slight increase in cancer rates, but probably not more than a few percentages. I really don't think you need to be worried about this in the US, but most likely a large area of Japan will be uninhabitable, and many people will die there...

[Serpo]

As if the Japanese government did not have enough on its hands, now it has this dilemma: What to do with as many as 1,000 bodies near the leaking Fukushima nuclear plant that may be contaminated with radiation.

A solution will require decisive action and a high-degree of delicacy.

After losing family members to the tsunami and earthquake, most Japanese would normally go forward with a traditional cremation and place the remains with those of the victims' kin. But the bodies near the plant have been exposed to radiation, making them potentially dangerous to handle or move. And nearly a month after the disaster, decontaminating them so they can be transported is rapidly becoming impossible.

The earthquake and tsunami that struck Japan on March 11 badly damaged the Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear power plant owned by Tokyo Electric Power Co., or TEPCO. As the crisis around the plant built, the Japanese government called for evacuation of residents living within 12 miles of the damaged plant, which is now essentially a no-go zone.
Japan earthquake






Does the government have a plan?
Emergency responders have been struggling ever since to cool the plant’s reactors and prevent a catastrophic meltdown. But several explosions, fires and discharged water from the plant have released radiation into the air and ocean near the plant, affecting anyone who remains in the area — including the dead.

If the Japanese government has a plan for the bodies in “hot zone,” it has not been made public. The Japanese Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare, which is in charge of disposition of disaster victims' remains, did not respond to msnbc.com queries on the subject and has said very little about it.

For the first three days of April, some 25,000 Japanese and American troops mounted a massive search for thousands of dead or missing residents. But they did not enter the 12-mile “exclusion zone” around the Fukushima plant, according to the Japanese government.

The International Atomic Energy Agency, which is working closely with the Japanese government to monitor radiation in the water and food, does not know how Japanese authorities plan to deal with the Fukushima victims.

“This is an area of concern that the IAEA and other UN organizations have been seeking clarification and information about from Japan,” said a spokesperson for the IAEA.

Safe handling of the bodies may not allow for cremation according to Japanese tradition — yet another blow to people who have endured losses from the quake, the tsunami and evacuation due to the ongoing crisis at the plant.

'Worst case' scenario for survivors
“They say the worst case is when you don’t have anything to bury or cremate, that’s why the surviving family members are desperate,” said Kyoko Tokuno, senior lecturer of East Asian religions at University of Washington in Seattle. “What they want to do is bring back the remains, which presumes finding the body and cremating them.”

Internationally, there are various protocols on managing all types of materials contaminated with radiation, including bodies.

Two sets made available to msnbc.com — a 1,000-page protocol issued by the National Council on Radiation Safety in the United States and similar guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control — urge against cremation, calling instead for deep burial in a sealed container marked by radiation warning symbols.

The NCRS does describe a way of decontaminating a body that could make it safe for cremation, especially if, like the victims in Fukushima, the body was contaminated externally only.

“If it’s a surface contamination as this probably was … normally you could wash it off or wipe it off and remove clothing, to remove most of the contamination,” said Kathryn Higley, head of the Department of Nuclear Engineering and Radiation Health Physics at Oregon State University. “But the body decomposes, so it might be more complicated.”

Bodies likely 'not intact'
After more than three weeks outside, bodies of quake-tsunami victims would be “not skeletonized, but not intact, either,” according to a California forensic scientist, who spoke on condition that he not be identified.

One Japanese press report said that a worker killed at the nuclear power plant had been decontaminated and cremated.

Other reports suggest decontamination has already become impractical, or impossible in some cases.

Japan’s Kyodo news service reported that the police in Fukushima put off collecting remains of the dead after measuring an extremely high level of radiation on the body of a man found on March 27.

“Police were considering performing decontamination where the bodies are found,” the report said. But another Kyodo report four days later said that “there are some difficulties around cleansing the bodies, resulting in damaging the already decomposing victims.”

Even identification is going to be difficult, according to the Kyodo report:


“The victims’ nails can be extracted for DNA testing for identification, however, nails also need to be decontaminated and this will take tremendous amount of work and time,” it said.

Cremation believed to release karmic energy
Cremation is important to Japanese Buddhists because it is thought to release the karmic energy that continues on and leads to future rebirth. That belief, and Japan’s severe shortage of land for graveyards, means that nearly all Japanese are cremated after death.

Perhaps even more critical is the idea of recovering the bones so that they can be placed in the family tomb, with kin.

“One of the things that is important to people is that family members are buried together,” said Tokuno, the University of Washington lecturer. “To be scattered all over is not comforting. Being buried together … is very comforting.”

For now, the Japanese government is preoccupied with the crisis at the Fukushima reactor, but Tokuno says it will have new problems if it fails to address survivors' concerns.

"If the government and TEPCO do not pay attention and delay the proper treatment of people in terms of basic necessities — including how they treat the deceased in terms of tradition — there may be some serious consequences,” said Tokuno. “I think there will be an outcry.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42441638/ns/world_news-disaster_in_japan/





Japan quake moved sea bed 24 meters
The seabed near the epicentre of the massive earthquake that rocked Japan last month was shifted 24 meters by the tremor, the country's coastguard says. Sensors found that one part of the ocean floor had been stretched to a point 24 meters east-southeast of its position before the 9.0 undersea quake, which triggered a massive tsunami that engulfed large areas of Japan's northeast coast. The undersea movement is more than four times bigger than any observed on land, where part of the Oshika peninsula in Miyagi prefecture was found to have shifted 5.3 meters. (Sydney Morning Herald)

Time lapse of after shocks...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42037498/ns/world_news-asia-pacific/




Important article here....



Experts worry about the fuel pools because explosions have torn away their roofs and exposed their radioactive contents. By contrast, reactors have strong containment vessels that stand a better chance of bottling up radiation from a meltdown of the fuel in the reactor core.

“Even the best juggler in the world can get too many balls up in the air,” Mr. Lochbaum said of the multiplicity of problems at the plant. “They’ve got a lot of nasty things to negotiate in the future, and one missed step could make the situation much, much worse.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/world/asia/06nuclear.html?_r=3&hp




Japan radiation killing sea life, warning for Oregon coast fishing industry

http://www.andfed.com/2011/03/27/japan-radiation-killing-sea-life-warning-for-oregon-coast-fishing-industry/

[woodman]

Interesting article about Japans' nuclear ambitions and what might be hiding at Fukushima. Why didn't they act differently from the get go.
http://newamericamedia.org/2011/04/is-japans-elite-hiding-a-weapons-program-inside-nuclear-plants.php

[mike88]

Thanks for posting that article woodman, interesting theory.

[beefsteak]

THIS must be embarrassing for Japan during this Fuku. tragedy...

Japan’s Assistance for the Dismantlement of the Decommissioned Nuclear Submarines and Related Project in the Russia Far East
Hajime Sasaki, Secretary General of the Technical Secretariat of the Committee
on Cooperation to assist the Destruction of Nuclear Weapons Reduced
in the Russian Federation, Japan

Mr. Chairman,
Distinguished Delegates,
Ladies and Gentleman,

My name is Sasaki, Secretary General of the Technical Secretariat which was established by the bilateral agreement between the Government of Japan and the Government of Russian Federation.

I appreciate your kind invitation to this Meeting. It is the first time to attend CEG Meeting held in Europe, but it is my great pleasure to have an opportunity to introduce our current cooperation in the dismantlement of nuclear submarines and related project in the Russian Far East.

Our memory is still very fresh that the first workshop on the nuclear legacy issues in the Russian Far East organized by the executives of the CEG Secretariat and Russian Government was held in Vladivostok from 23 to 25 May, 2007. The Workshop held in Vladivostok was very appropriate and indeed very timely undertaking in providing more clear pictures on the current activities in the Far East for European participants, in particular, and encouraging the other donors to participate in our joint endeavors in the Far East. Due to the importance of Workshop, the Japan-Russia Committee made the vital financial contribution to the holding of the Conference.

The Japanese cooperation on the safe elimination of nuclear weapons started from Munich Summit held in 1992, when G7 leaders agreed to provide assistance for the safe dismantlement of nuclear weapons in the former Soviet countries and the settlement of the related environmental problems. Based on the agreement in the said Summit, Japan concluded the bilateral agreement concerning the cooperation to assist the destruction of nuclear weapons reduced in the Russian Federation and the establishment of a committee for this cooperation with the Government of Russian Federation on 13 October, 1993.

Our concrete cooperation to Russia under the said Agreement stemmed with the provision of the treatment facility of low-level liquid radioactive waste named “Suzuran”. Because of the incident that Russian Navy dumped radioactive wastes into the Sea of Japan, Japan decided to provide the treatment facility for the preservation of environment of the Sea of Japan, and the project was completed in November 2001.

“Suzuran” is capable of processing 7,000 cubic meters (1 cu meter of pure water weighs 2,200#) of liquid radioactive waste per year, which received high commendation from European experts who participated in the CEG Workshop held in Vladivostok in May.

To my knowledge, not even a drop of liquid radioactive waste has been dumped after the providing of “Suzuran”. Therefore, we are much confident that our cooperation has been very successful.

Dismantlement of decommissioned nuclear submarines is enumerated as one of the priority areas in the "G8 Global Partnership against the Spread of Weapons and Materials of Mass Destruction" adopted at the Kananaskis Summit, 2002 and our program is implemented as part of this Partnership. The priority to the dismantlement of decommissioned nuclear submarines was also agreed in “Japan-Russia Action Plan” which was agreed by the then Prime Minister Koizumi and President Putin in January 2003. As a pilot project, we started to tackle with the dismantlement of a Victor-III class nuclear submarine, and the project was successfully completed in December 2004.

And then, on the occasion of President Putin’s Visit to Tokyo in November 2005, an
Implementing Arrangement for the additional dismantlement of five submarines was
concluded. Within the frameworks of this Arrangement, dismantlement work of one Victor-I class nuclear submarine in the Zvezda Shipyard is now completed. This project is funded not only by Japan but also by Australia and Republic of Korea.

Taking this opportunity, we would like to express our renewed respect to their insight of both Governments.

The remnant four submarines are three Victor-III class and one Charlie-I class submarines.

With regard to the three Victor-III class nuclear submarines, on the occasion of visit of Mr. Sekiguchi, Vice Minister for Foreign Affairs of Japan, to Vladivostok, on August 2, 2007, I signed the Financial Contract with the Mr. Lysenko, Director of DalRAO, and he also signed the Work Contract with the Director of Zvezda Shipyard, Mr. Shulgan.

The first of these three submarines is already moored at the wharf of Bolshoi Kamen Harbour.

In the Russian Far East, there are two damaged submarines left behind in the Pavlovsk Bay, because of their reactor accidents in the Chazhma Bay and the Pavlovsk Bay in 1985. :o :o :o

Our sincere hope is that dismantling works of the three Victor-III class nuclear submarines will be conducted smoothly and safely, paying the utmost attention to safety of works, during the removal of spent nuclear fuels and disposal of liquid and solid radioactive wastes, in particular.

One Charlie-I class submarine moored in Kamchatka is scheduled to be dismantled at the North Eastern Regional Center. We have already conducted field survey and we are now preparing the final report of feasibility study. And, in parallel, we already initiated our consultations with the Russian side on the Financial and Work Contracts on the Project.

Another project in the Far East is the construction of the on-shore storage facility for reactor compartment units which are currently under waterborne storage at the Razboynik Bay. Japan decided to provide a floating dock, two cranes and a tug boat to this facility, and we are now engaged in consultations with Russian authorities on the implementing arrangement for the Project. Because of possible seawater corrosion, natural disaster including earthquake and tsunami, and for the prevention of terrorism, etc., it is extremely important to store the reactor compartment units in the on-shore facility. From this point of view, Japan decided to render assistance to this important project.

In the Far East region, there are two main centers for the dismantlement work, the Zvezda Shipyard in the neighborhood of Vladivostok and the North Eastern Regional Centre in Kamchatka. They are about 2,400 kilometers apart.

In addition, a substantial number of nuclear submarines waiting for dismantlement in the Far East are located in Kamchatka. Furthermore, capabilities of the North Eastern Regional Centre for defuelling and dismantling submarines and handling radioactive wastes are limited in comparison with the Zvezda Shipyard. These elements are some of the backgrounds which could affect the smooth dismantlement of submarines in the Far East. Moreover, Vladivostok and Mayak are about 7,500 kilometers apart. And for transportation of the spent nuclear fuels, the rehabilitation of the some railway tracks and bridges seem indispensable to support the weight of heavily-loaded trains with spent nuclear fuels.

Thus, dismantlement of nuclear submarines in the Russian Far East is different from that of the Northwest Russia, where dismantlement sites are concentrated in Murmansk and Arkhangelsk areas.

In addition, there are differences of frameworks for cooperation, numbers of donors and amount of funds available, etc. in two regions.

Take frameworks of cooperation, for example.

In the Northwest region of Russia, the Framework Agreement on a Multilateral Nuclear Environmental Programme in the Russian Federation (MNEPR) and Protocol on Claims, Legal Proceedings and Indemnification to the Agreement was signed on May 2003 among the western donors and the Russian Federation. In addition, there exist the Northern Dimension Environmental Partnership (NDEP) and other regional cooperative frameworks.

Furthermore, many European countries joined the cooperation in the dismantlement of nuclear submarines in the North West.

In this regard, it is indeed good news to hear the intention of Canada to join the dismantlement of nuclear submarines and related project in the Far East from 2008 and we would like to extend our heartfelt welcome.

In the Far Eastern region, the Japan-Russia framework for dismantlement of nuclear
submarines is a sole framework for cooperation, and there does not exist any multilateral cooperative scheme in the Far East. It is our sincere hope that understanding on the current situations in the Russian Far East are deepened through discussions in the CEG meeting, as well as the Workshop held in Vladivostok in May.

And we are of the opinion that it is important to establish a framework of cooperation, in which many countries can participate in our important activities as donors.

Ladies and Gentlemen,
About a month ago, on 6 and 9 August, the City of Hiroshima and Nagasaki marked their 62nd anniversary of atomic bombings. The incident occurred 62 years ago, but even today many people are suffering from leukemia, thyroid cancers, etc.. Japan is the only country in the history of mankind to have ever suffered the devastation of atomic bombings. The People of Japan earnestly wish that they be the last ones to suffer from damage and tragedy caused by an atomic bombings and nuclear weapons.

Our cooperation to assist the dismantlement of decommissioned nuclear submarines and related project in Russia is a realistic and incremental approach for disarmament and nonproliferation and the preservation of environment of the Sea of Japan. Hoping our cooperation to Russia will greatly contribute to our joint endeavors, I close my remarks.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

http://www.iaea.org/OurWork/ST/NE/NEFW/CEG/documents/plenary21_10E.pdf

[beefsteak]

Chief Nuke Engineer, Arnie Gunderson, has a 4/6/ VIMEO update posted. Unit 4 and Unit 2 are 2 parts of his 3 part focus.

The third part is what is called the "AREVA report" (A French Conglomerate) presented to invitation only "insiders" MARCH 21, which he has a copy of, and referred to. He stated his next update will be dealing with more of the information released on March 21, in that presentation. He did state that the AREVA report clearly stated that "all 3 reactors reached temperatures of 5000 Degrees...well beyond the melting point of stainless steel, and zircalloy (cladding.)

TEPCO pulled the statistical table (screen capture below) which Arnie posted in his April 3, VIMEO update. TEPCO claims their Te-129 data was inaccurate. Arnie openly questioned their disavowal of previously posted Dataset releases from their own PR representatives authorized to speak to the public, etc.

Here's the link:
http://vimeo.com/22062314


Here's TEPCO's chart, Arnie Gunderson says TEPCO pulled as having inaccurate Te-129 dataset. (Screen Capture)
http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/beefsteak_GIM/TablewTellerium129.jpg

[Large Sarge]

I have been thinking on the "Chi - Nuclear Radiation" relationship some.

throw out this hypothesis

Chi has reverse entropy, meaning it goes from areas of lesser concentration towards areas of greater concentration

Radiation effects/destroys/changes chi in the human body (among other things)

realizing that Chi will follow the "reverse entropy" route, perhaps folks that are exposed to high levels of radiation simply "bleed out" in regards to chi.

like once your level of chi gets so low, and everything else has a higher level of chi around you, then the chi will move from lesser (your body in this case) to higher (surrounding plants/animals, etc)

anyway just a hypothesis,

[gunDriller]

I have been thinking on the "Chi - Nuclear Radiation" relationship some.

throw out this hypothesis

Chi has reverse entropy, meaning it goes from areas of lesser concentration towards areas of greater concentration

Radiation effects/destroys/changes chi in the human body (among other things)

realizing that Chi will follow the "reverse entropy" route, perhaps folks that are exposed to high levels of radiation simply "bleed out" in regards to chi.

like once your level of chi gets so low, and everything else has a higher level of chi around you, then the chi will move from lesser (your body in this case) to higher (surrounding plants/animals, etc)

anyway just a hypothesis,


it would be an interesting hypothesis to test.

Japan already has the highest ranked Aikido masters. they could import tai chi masters from around the world. maybe throw in some yoga (physical yoga) practitioners ... all of whom are experts at chi/ki.

but - how would you test it ?

"Hey, Sensei Doran, how would you like to go to Japan to test the relationship between nuclear radiation and Chi ?"




Interesting article about Japans' nuclear ambitions and what might be hiding at Fukushima. Why didn't they act differently from the get go.
http://newamericamedia.org/2011/04/is-japans-elite-hiding-a-weapons-program-inside-nuclear-plants.php


damn, that would explain a lot - and it makes sense.

[Horn]

You'll have to start a chi thread, because I'm thoroughly confused.

What I know of chi is city vs country. Traffic & pollution could do more for me to kill it than going into an MRI.

I would think that vegetation can only add to it.

[Neuro]

Interesting article about Japans' nuclear ambitions and what might be hiding at Fukushima. Why didn't they act differently from the get go.
http://newamericamedia.org/2011/04/is-japans-elite-hiding-a-weapons-program-inside-nuclear-plants.php


damn, that would explain a lot - and it makes sense.

Yes, that certainly does give a good explanation for what has been going on. The lack of communication between the current government and TEPCO. The smokescreens, the two dead technicians in the basement, nothing heard about prior to they were found... The refusal to get foreign help initially... May even explain why they are hesitant to cover up the reactors, maybe they have enough U-235 and Plutonium for it to reach critical mass in a meltdown....

A nuclear bomb in the middle of 1700 tons of Uranium and Plutonium, vaporized into the atmosphere. That would probably wipe out most of earths population...

[Cobalt]

Nitrogen injection ups pressure in reactor

The operator of the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant says pressure inside the containment vessel of the Number 1 reactor is rising following an injection of nitrogen gas.

Tokyo Electric Power Company started the injection early on Thursday to prevent a possible hydrogen explosion at the reactor.

Fuel rods inside the reactor are nearly half exposed after a loss of cooling water, creating a dangerous buildup of oxygen and hydrogen and fears of another explosion.

The company says that after injecting 413 cubic meters of nitrogen gas until 5 PM on Thursday, the pressure reading inside the vessel was 1.76, up 0.2 from before the injection started.

The company says it will continue the work for 6 more days and study a similar operation in the Number 2 and 3 reactors.

More --> http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/07_37.html

[Cobalt]

Moving radioactive water likely to take long time

Japan's nuclear agency says moving highly radioactive water from the Fukushima Daiichi power plant's turbine building to a storage facility may not start for another week.

The water in the basement of the turbine building of the plant's Number 2 reactor and a concrete tunnel has been hampering work to restore the reactor's cooling systems.

The plant's operator, Tokyo Electric Power Company, has been discharging lower-level radioactive water into the sea from the facility to make room for the highly radioactive water. The work is to end on Friday.

But the government's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency says the facility must first be checked for cracks that might have been caused by the earthquake, and that this could take several days to a week.

The agency says the facility was designed to store low-level radioactive water, and that every effort must be made to make sure that highly radioactive water does not leak.

Thursday, April 07, 2011 17:11 +0900 (JST)


http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/07_32.html

[Large Sarge]

I have been thinking on the "Chi - Nuclear Radiation" relationship some.

throw out this hypothesis

Chi has reverse entropy, meaning it goes from areas of lesser concentration towards areas of greater concentration

Radiation effects/destroys/changes chi in the human body (among other things)

realizing that Chi will follow the "reverse entropy" route, perhaps folks that are exposed to high levels of radiation simply "bleed out" in regards to chi.

like once your level of chi gets so low, and everything else has a higher level of chi around you, then the chi will move from lesser (your body in this case) to higher (surrounding plants/animals, etc)

anyway just a hypothesis,


it would be an interesting hypothesis to test.

Japan already has the highest ranked Aikido masters. they could import tai chi masters from around the world. maybe throw in some yoga (physical yoga) practitioners ... all of whom are experts at chi/ki.

but - how would you test it ?

"Hey, Sensei Doran, how would you like to go to Japan to test the relationship between nuclear radiation and Chi ?"




Interesting article about Japans' nuclear ambitions and what might be hiding at Fukushima. Why didn't they act differently from the get go.
http://newamericamedia.org/2011/04/is-japans-elite-hiding-a-weapons-program-inside-nuclear-plants.php


damn, that would explain a lot - and it makes sense.


I am still thinking it through, but lets say a person (or lab animal) was exposed to a "lethal dose" of radiation

now normally say they 30-45 days to live (excruciating days)

their chi is gone, destroyed by the radiation.

You would need to have them on a "live food diet" for a number of days, to absorb the chi from the plants, vegetables, fruit (or fruit and veggies placed in an orgone box, to increase the chi the produce/plants)

this would hopefully restore a little of their chi

after they got some level back, you could have them sit in an orgone box, or wrap them in an orgone blanket for brief periods...

(I suspect the above therapy might actually work, to cure "the incureable")
I am wondering if DNA has a relationship to chi, that I am missing,

maybe the DNA are like antennae for chi?

like it is a frequency?

anyway, it is very complex, but I think the protocol above would certainly help, and the downside is minimal

[gunDriller]

[quote=Cobalt ]

Tokyo Electric Power Company started the injection early on Thursday to prevent a possible hydrogen explosion at the reactor.

/quote]

if their goal is to prevent an explosion, they should try dry ice. it would fill the reactor chamber with CO2, which is very good at extinguishing flames.

of course, it's not healthy to breathe in high concentrations, but if i was a tech there i'd be wearing breathing equipment (like scuba gear) anyway.

[DMac]

Interesting article about Japans' nuclear ambitions and what might be hiding at Fukushima. Why didn't they act differently from the get go.
http://newamericamedia.org/2011/04/is-japans-elite-hiding-a-weapons-program-inside-nuclear-plants.php




Check my post, #572 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/japan-earthquake-tsunami-and-nuclear-disaster/what-if-the-jap-reactor-blows-what-will-be-the-effect-on-the-western-usa/msg199450/?topicseen#msg199450)

[Serpo]

Onagawa Nuclear Plant Loses Power After Earthquake


April 7, 2011

Yas Idei, writing from Japan for Forbes, reported soon after the latest earthquake to rattle the country that the Onagawa nuclear power plant in the Oshika District and Ishinomaki city, Miyagi Prefecture, Japan, lost its power.

The March 11 Japanese earthquake and subsequent tsunami knocked out electricity and emergency generators required to cool reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi plant. The lack of cooling led to a partial nuclear meltdown in units 1, 2 and 3 at the crippled plant and the release of deadly radioactivity.

Tohoku Electric, responsible for operations at the Onagawa plant, reported it had restarted the system to cool its spent fuel pool, according to Reuters.

Following the March 11 earthquake, the Onagawa plant experienced a fire in the turbine section of the plant and increased levels of radioactivity were measured.

The Japanese government and TEPCO, Tokyo Electric Power, have consistently misled and lied to the public about the disaster. TEPCO has repeatedly falsified safety data and temperature readings for coolant materials for at least two decades.

In 2009, top company officials resigned after it was disclosed that the company covered up at least 29 cracks and other damage to the reactors now in either full or partial meltdown. In 1999, two workers at TEPCO’s nuclear processing plant died from radiation poisoning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFd8yKLBB-0&feature=player_embedded

http://www.infowars.com/onagawa-nuclear-plant-loses-power-after-earthquake/

strange blue light seen in this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgooTL9hEc0&feature=player_embedded

[Serpo]

In answer to that chi question

I like tai chi and it is good for people but it isnt going to do anything for anyone in this situation

[Large Sarge]

In answer to that chi question

I like tai chi and it is good for people but it isnt going to do anything for anyone in this situation




I am unsure serpo, the basic premise is that certain movements increase your chi

now I am unsure if the increased chi is "captured" from the environment (like using a net and harvesting chi from the environment)

or if the motions help the body generate chi?

or ?

But Chi and radiation do have a relationship

that old story of the japanese monks who survived the nuclear blast, they might (likely were) doing some form of tai chi, and meditation, strict diet, etc

the chi radiation relationship is quite real

[Horn]

that old story of the japanese monks who survived the nuclear blast, they might (likely were) doing some form of tai chi, and meditation, strict diet, etc

the chi radiation relationship is quite real

I guess its never too late to start... (this a real dilemma though due to my location)

I would have trouble blending in with the crowd. 8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4q6eaLn2mY

[oldmansmith]

In answer to that chi question

I like tai chi and it is good for people but it isnt going to do anything for anyone in this situation




I am unsure serpo, the basic premise is that certain movements increase your chi

now I am unsure if the increased chi is "captured" from the environment (like using a net and harvesting chi from the environment)

or if the motions help the body generate chi?

or ?

But Chi and radiation do have a relationship

that old story of the japanese monks who survived the nuclear blast, they might (likely were) doing some form of tai chi, and meditation, strict diet, etc

the chi radiation relationship is quite real




Carlos Castaneda did a movement series he called "tensegrity" from the Buckminster Fuller term (tension + integrity). His contention was that we already have all the energy that we could ever need, but that we disperse it due to the concerns of daily life (self importance, etc.). The movements are very similar to Tai Chi, and are supposed to re-deploy the energy back to our core.

I have done the movements for over 10 years and they definitely help.

[beefsteak]

DMac,
your post #572, I guess I missed it the first time through. Thanks for that research and posting same.

"de factor nuclear power" perfectly logical, paypback and all that. However, supposing Mark I reactor "layout" is more amenable to such weapons upgrading than other types of nuclear facilities "over there," would it stand to reason that the Japanese put all their "nuclear enrichment eggs" into one Fuku. basket, a.k.a., #3 reactor?

While I understand the Japanese not particularly relishing seeking disaster assistance in this matter from the US, I find it even more odd they would use the "Sea of Japan" and Russian Nuke waste dumping there as a cooperative effort excuse. Especially in light of the dumping they have just done and will continue to do, inspite of protestations to the contrary.

Do you?

[lapis]

that old story of the japanese monks who survived the nuclear blast, they might (likely were) doing some form of tai chi, and meditation, strict diet, etc

"Diet: At the time of the atomic bombing, Tatsuichiro Akizuki, M.D., was Director of the Department of Internal Medicine at St. Francis’ Hospital in Nagasaki and he fed his staff and patients a strict diet of brown rice, miso and tamari soy soup, wakame, kombu and other seaweed, Hokkaido pumpkin, and sea salt. He also prohibited the consumption of sugar and sweets since they suppress the immune system.

By imposing this diet on his staff and patients, no one succumbed to radiation poisoning whereas the occupants of hospitals located much further away from the blast incident suffered severe radiation fatalities.

Much of this positive result has to do with the fact that the sea vegetables contain substances that bind radioactive particles and escort them out of the body. This is why seaweed sales usually skyrocket after radiation disasters and why various seaweeds and algae are typically used to treat radiation victims."

"Miso soup: Because miso soup was so effective in helping prevent radiation sickness, the Japanese have also done research identifying the presence of an active ingredient called zybicolin, discovered in 1972, which acts as a binding agent to also detoxify and eliminate radioactive elements (such as strontium) and other pollutants from the body.

Black and green teas: The kelps and algaes aren’t the only natural foods with radio-detoxifying effects. In terms of fluids to drink, black and green tea have shown radioprotective effects" whether consumed either before or after exposure to radiation. This anti-radiation effect was observed in several Japanese studies, and studies from China also suggest that the ingredients in tea are radioactive antagonists."

From: How to Detox Your Body of Depleted Uranium Residues, the Effects of Radiation, and Radioactive Contamination (http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20050826.htm)

[beefsteak]

Just in from Reuters: late Thurs Evening...





Water Leak Found At Onagawa Nuclear Power Plant
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 04/07/2011 23:03 -0400
Just out from Reuters:

* WATER LEAK FOUND AFTER LATEST QUAKE AT JAPAN'S ONAGAWA NUCLEAR PLANT BUT NO CHANGE IN RADIATION LEVELS-NHK

* WATER LEAKS AT ONAGAWA NPP FROM REACTOR 1,2 SPENT FUEL POOLS

Onagawa is the plant which as we disclosed earlier experienced an almost critical power failure following today's new earthquake off the Sendai coast. One wonders just how much "undisclosed" news will start leaking. Surely just as the shut down of America is sending futures surging, this news should levitate the Nikkei by a few percent.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/water-leak-found-onagawa-nuclear-power-plant


Have to ask....no radiation but spent fuel pools #7, and #8 are leaking? What? Orange Juice?
Gatorade? This is unbelievable!

Anyone know if this is another TEPCO/Mark I pair of reactor/configurations? 7.1 was supposed to be tolerated, but that darned tsunami of only a couple meters...

Wonder if Japan authorities had the foresight to connect another "extension cord" when they were building the Fuku. replacement...

[beefsteak]

KYODO news reports: Friday: 4/8



Radioactive water spilled at Onagawa nuclear plant in Miyagi

TOKYO, April 8, Kyodo Radioactive water spilled from pools holding spent nuclear fuel rods at the Onagawa power plant in Miyagi Prefecture following the strong earthquake late Thursday, the nuclear safety agency said Friday.

At the crisis-hit Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant or at another plant in Fukushima Prefecture, meanwhile, no new problems have surfaced since the magnitude 7.4 aftershock of the deadly March 11 quake.

While the spent fuel pools at the Onagawa plant and the Higashidori nuclear power station in Aomori Prefecture, both operated by Tohoku Electric Power Co., lost their cooling functions for 20 to 80 minutes after the quake, the temperature hardly rose, the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said.

A small amount of contaminated water spilled on the floor was observed inside the buildings at all three reactors at the Onagawa plant, which has suspended operations since the mega earthquake and tsunami last month, according to the agency.

In all, water spilled or leaked at eight sections of the plant as a result of the 11:32 p.m. quake, according to Tohoku Electric.

As much as 3.8 liters of water leaked at one of them, with the highest level of a radioactive isotope -- 5,410 bequerels per kilogram -- found in the spilled water on the floor beside a spent fuel pool in the building housing the No. 1 reactor.

A spent nuclear fuel disposal facility in the village of Rokkasho, Aomori Prefecture, lost external power supply and switched to an emergency generator but power was restored at 9:44 a.m. Friday, according to the agency.

The Higashidori nuclear power plant in Aomori also got power from an emergency generator after the Thursday quake, but its external power supply was restored at 3:30 a.m. Friday, according to Tohoku Electric and the government's countermeasure headquarters.

No changes in radiation readings have been observed at any of the facilities, including Fukushima Daini, a nuclear power plant just south of Daiichi, both operated by Tokyo Electric Power Co. Nor is there any information that radioactive materials have leaked outside due to the aftershock.

Higashidori's only reactor was undergoing regular maintenance at the time of the temblor, and its fuel rods were not inside the core but were stored in a spent fuel pool, the agency said.

The Onagawa nuclear plant lost three of its four external power connections but one of them was restored on Friday morning, with its cooling system for the spent nuclear fuel pools temporarily stopped.

Tokyo Electric said no new abnormalities have developed in any of the six reactors at Fukushima Daiichi, which it has struggled to bring under control since the plant was crippled by the disaster and began spewing radioactive materials into the environment.

No workers at the plant were hurt in the aftershock, the power supplier said, adding that its damage control steps of pumping fresh water into the No. 1 to No. 3 reactors to prevent them from overheating and injecting nitrogen into the No. 1 unit to prevent hydrogen from exploding were unaffected.

The quake late Thursday, focused about 40 kilometers off the coast of Miyagi, jolted areas in Miyagi already hit hard by last month's quake.

Meanwhile, Tokyo Electric continued to release relatively low-level radioactive water into the Pacific Ocean to make room for far more contaminated water that has flooded the basement of the No. 2 reactor's turbine building.

Once the utility finishes releasing the low contaminated water, it will check a facility that had held the water to see if there are any cracks to ensure that there would be no leakage when the more contaminated water is diverted there.

The turbine building needs to be cleared of radioactive water to restore sustainable cooling systems for the No. 2 reactor, which lost normal cooling functions and suffered a partial meltdown of the core since the deadly quake last month, along with the No. 1 and No. 3 reactors.

The No. 4 reactor had no fuel in its core but suffered a loss of cooling functions for its fuel pool. The No. 5 and No. 6 reactors have since been brought to a stable condition.

On Friday, the power company reinforced the earth around a cracked pit, from which highly radioactive water had leaked into the sea before it was successfully plugged by injecting sodium silicate, a chemical agent known as ''water glass.''

Since the leakage had stopped, the company observed about a 7-centimeter rise in the level of contaminated water in a vertical tunnel connected to the No. 2 reactor building, from which the tainted water is believed to have originated.

==Kyodo

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/84023.html

This report is unclear as to whether authorities are talking "spills" as differentiated from "leaks" or using the terms interchangeably. Interesting.

beefsteak

[Serpo]

..

[Serpo]

In answer to that chi question

I like tai chi and it is good for people but it isnt going to do anything for anyone in this situation




I am unsure serpo, the basic premise is that certain movements increase your chi

now I am unsure if the increased chi is "captured" from the environment (like using a net and harvesting chi from the environment)

or if the motions help the body generate chi?

or ?

But Chi and radiation do have a relationship

that old story of the japanese monks who survived the nuclear blast, they might (likely were) doing some form of tai chi, and meditation, strict diet, etc

the chi radiation relationship is quite real




Have practised tai chi for many years and have even taught it here and there in classes.

By not tensing up and learning to relax in movement which in itself becomes a meditation the meridians of the body gradually increase there flow of chi /energy/ect and the body feels lighter.


We discover that we are energy as we can feel it more within us but also the movements are of benefit to the body and internal organs.


It helps the energy and our bodies become closer and work together in a more fluid manner.

[Serpo]

<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/22062314" width="400" height="225" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/22062314">Closing Ranks: The NRC, the Nuclear Industry, and TEPCo. Are Limiting the Flow of Information</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user6415562">Fairewinds Associates</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

[SHTF2010]

anyone think there could be some obscure US gov't announcement this weekend

WARNING
Japanese radiation found in US foods
be careful
YOYO

but no one will notice with all this gov't shutdown talk


YOYO ( you're on your own )

/ tinfoil hat off /

[oldmansmith]

"History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of men"


Blue Oyster Cult, "Godzilla:"


With a purposeful grimace and a terrible sound
He pulls the spitting high-tension wires down

Helpless people on subway trains
Scream, bug-eyed, as he looks in on them

He picks up a bus and he throws it back down
As he wades through the buildings toward the center of town

Oh, no, they say he's got to go
Go go Godzilla
Oh, no, there goes Tokyo
Go go Godzilla

Oh, no, they say he's got to go
Go go Godzilla
Oh, no, there goes Tokyo
Go go Godzilla

Oh, no, they say he's got to go
Go go Godzilla
Oh, no, there goes Tokyo
Go go Godzilla

History shows again and again how nature points up the folly of man

Godzilla!

[Antonio]

http://rense.com/general93/fukmelt.htm

Fukushima Core Meltdown Confirmed
By Stephen Lendman
4-8-11

On April 6, Reuters reported that "the core at Japan's Fukushima nuclear reactor has melted through the reactor pressure vessel," Rep. Edward Markey told a House hearing on the disaster, saying:

"I have been informed by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) that the core has gotten so hot that part of it has probably melted through the reactor pressure vessel."

Recklessly promoting nuclear proliferation, America's NRC is notorious for coverup and denial of its harmful effects. As a result, their rare admission virtually confirms a full core meltdown in one or more reactors, meaning vast amounts of radiation are being uncontrollably released into the atmosphere, water and soil, spreading over a vast area. It's the ultimate nightmare scenario now unfolding, but don't expect major media reports or government officials to explain.

Nonetheless, on April 6, New York Times writers Matthew Wald and Andrew Pollack headlined, "Core of Stricken Reactor Probably Leaked, US Says," stating:

America's NRC "said Wednesday that some of the core of a stricken Japanese reactor had probably leaked from its steel pressure vessel into the bottom of the containment structure, implying that the damage was even worse than previously thought."

Far worse, in fact, because molten core material then burns uncontrollably through the concrete foundation, meaning all bets are off.

On April 5, Times writers James Glanz and William Broad headlined, "US Sees Array of New Threats at Japan's Nuclear Plant," saying:

American engineers warned "that the troubled nuclear plant....is facing a wide array of fresh threats that could persist indefinitely, and that in some cases are expected to increase as a result of the very measures being taken to keep the plant stable, according to a confidential" NRC assessment.

Identified threats include:

-- Possible further explosions because of hydrogen and oxygen from seawater used to cool the reactors that may have done more harm than good. According to former GE reactor designer Margaret Harding:

"If I were in the Japanese's shoes, I'd be very reluctant to have tons and tons of water sitting in a containment whose structural integrity hasn't been checked since the earthquake," and very likely is seriously damaged.

-- Because of concern about severe reactor core damage, NRC recommended boron be added to cooling water as a moderator to absorb neutrons.

-- Exposed/unprotected spent fuel rods in Units 1, 2, 3 and 4 pose extreme dangers. Moreover, explosions blew nuclear material "up to one mile from the units" into the atmosphere, indicating much greater damage than previously disclosed.

As a result, David Lochbaum from the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) believes:

"This paints a very different picture, and suggests that things are a lot worse. They could still have more damage in a big way if some of these things don't work out for them....They've got a lot of nasty things to (handle), and one missed step could make the situation much, much worse."

Other experts believe criticality was reached, posing far greater dangers than revealed.

Yet government and Tokyo Electric (TEPCO) officials still claim "no immediate risk of a hydrogen explosion occurring" or serious harm to human health. In fact, danger levels now are extreme. More on that below.

Even the NRC admitted that salt water "severely restricted" and likely blocked circulation pathways. Moreover, inside the core, "there is likely no water level (so it's) difficult to determine how much cooling is getting to the fuel." Perhaps none, and three or more reactors are affected, one or more in meltdown.

Independent Expert Opinions

On April 4, geoscientist/international radiation expert Leuren Moret told interviewer Alfred Lambremont Webre that Obama and Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper are concealing the effects of tectonic nuclear war on North America from Fukushima's fallout. In fact, Norwegian Institute for Air Research (NILU) radiation maps confirm contamination on America's West Coast, Midwest, and Western Canada, in some areas as high as Japan's.

Radioactive Iodine-131 in rainwater sampled near San Francisco was found to be over 18,000 times above federal drinking water standards. Idaho, Minnesota, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Massachusetts rainwater samples showed Iodine-131 up to 181 times above normal, expected to rise. It's also showing up in milk.

As a result, mobile measures in parts of America and Canada were suspended until further notice to conceal the disaster's gravity.

Moret cited two distinguished nuclear scientists who've publicly said northern Japan (one-third of the country) is uninhabitable and should be evacuated. Marion Fulk is one, a Manhattan Project scientist who helped develop the hydrogen bomb. He also was America's atmospheric fallout expert when above-ground tests were conducted.

Dr. Chris Busby is the other, an ionizing radiation expert. On March 30, he told Russia Today television that Fukushima contamination will cause at least 417,000 new cancers.

Moret called Fukushima a false flag operation to weaken an economic rival, harm its economy, agriculture and fisheries, and compromise its detente with China. Compared to Chernobyl, Fukushima's releasing multiple times more radiation, perhaps amounts too enormous to imagine with potentially catastrophic global effects.

In response, Japan, America and Canada are in denial. Permissible radiation exposure levels have been raised. Legitimate reporting was halted. US and Canadian atmospheric testing was suspended. State authorities told California physicians not to give iodine to concerned patients. Measuring radiation in milk was also stopped.

Contamination is spreading from the Arctic to the Equator. Long-lived radioactive isotopes will cause environmental and human health havoc for generations. Moret said life forms developed over billions of years are being destroyed in a century.

On March 29, Chris Busby's Rense.com article headlined, "Deconstructing Nuclear Experts," saying:

"What these people have in common is ignorance. (Most) who appear (in the major media) and pontificate have not actually done any research on the issue of radiation and health. Or if they have, they....missed all the key studies and references. (Others are) real baddies" who say Fukushima is nothing to worry about, nothing like Chernobyl or Three Mile Island (TMI).

In fact, Fukushima already way exceeds both and will get increasingly worse ahead as radiation releases continue and spread. Busby quoted Joseph Conrad saying, "after all the shouting is over, the grim silence of facts remain."

"I believe that (the array of) phony experts," said Busby, "are criminally irresponsible, since their advice will lead to millions of deaths....I hope they are sent to jail where they can have plenty of time to read the scientific proofs (showing) their advice was based on the mathematical analysis of thin air."

He cited the late Professor John Gofman, a senior US Atomic Energy Commission expert who resigned, saying:

"(T)he nuclear industry is waging a war against humanity."

So far, in fact, it's winning. It's entered an endgame that will decide whether or not humanity will survive. "Not from sudden nuclear war," said Busby. "But from the ongoing and incremental nuclear war which began with the releases to the biosphere in the 60s of all the atmospheric test fallout, and which continued inexorably since (to this day), accompanied by parallel increases in cancer rates and fertility loss to the human race."

Busby calls it "the greatest public health scandal in human history...." Who can disagree.

A Final Comment

In a personal email, environmental researcher Dr. Ilya Perlingieri explained the dangers of Japan dumping thousands of tons of radioactive water in the Pacific, saying:

"We are all in grave danger! This was insanity! This radioactive water will come here (to America). There is no question about that. The currents will bring it to the west coast and contaminate the entire area: beaches and all sealife between the coast and Japan. What evaporates naturally will then come on the air currents around the rest of the US and then the rest of the planet!"

"This is epic, and it was not an accident."

Stephen Lendman lives in Chicago and can be reached at lendmanstephen@sbcglobal.net. Also visit his blog site at sjlendman.blogspot.com and listen to cutting-edge discussions with distinguished guests on the Progressive Radio News Hour on the Progressive Radio Network Thursdays at 10AM US Central time and Saturdays and Sundays at noon. All programs are archived for easy listening.

http://www.progressiveradionetwork.com/the-progressive-news-hour/.

[beefsteak]

THAT was sobering, Antonio. Thanks for the transcript. I respect Chris Busby. His "nuclear pedigree" is as long as my arm. And his track record for plain "nuke" speak is also consistent. That's how he earned my respect.

Did you see the earlier post on this thread where I asked you how that "thick Chornobyl book" you mentioned you were busy reading in the last week or so was going? Any insights you can share?

I'm still chewing on several comments in your post above.

I think the reason their individual and collective message is disappearing from the front pages is due to our generation's analysis paralysis. You know, the "duck and cover generation." Many are looking at end of life issues anyhow, and may feel "too old to change." A kind of "*shrug* what can I do at this late stage?" type of response. Things are sure in the process of changing now around here.

The wife hit the grocery stores pretty hard 3 weeks ago, and that batch of "before Fuku. stores" are pretty well exhausted. We looked at each other then, and wondered if these were the last of the "transition foods" and "family favorites" we would be eating. Kind of looks that way now. Those rainwater numbers are plumb unpleasant...in the states where they've even measured and reported such things. Obviously, dozens of states are in the "missing reporting" column.

Thanks again, Antonio. Keep'em coming! P.S. Did you know about the Suzuran vessel?

Serpo,
that blue light vid footage was amazing! And thanks for bringing forward again Arnie Gunderson's latest. Kind of on the edge of my seat waiting for his "part 2 analysis," of the numbers AREVA published in that peer scientific analysis paper.

beefsteak

[Antonio]

I saw the video of 2 Japanese guys driving thru Fukushima and they registered about 300 microsieverts at 1.5 kilometers from the plant.
If it`s true it`s not that bad because there are places where natural background is 50 microsieverts, I expected worse. If this thing stops now from becoming worse it`ll be a blessing but it sure won`t.

[Antonio]

http://rt.com/news/radioactive-water-pacific-plant/

Immeasurable levels of radiation reported at Fukushima plant

[Cobalt]

They pump Radioactive waste directly into the ocean and then act surprised when the ocean starts to get contaminated and the response is they will do more testing to keep an eye on how fukked up it is >:(





Water radiation levels rise north of nuke plant

Tokyo Electric Power Company says it detected on Thursday 110 becquerels of radioactive iodine-131 per cubic centimeter in seawater samples collected 30 meters from outlets in the northern part of the complex.

The figure is 2,800 times higher than the maximum allowed under government standards. Measurements at the same spot were 600 times the standard on Tuesday and 1,000 times on Wedneday.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/08_39.html

[beefsteak]

Cobalt,
it sure stretches my credulity to see such cognitive dissonance with this simple cause and effect "shock" on the faces of those measuring radioactivity in ocean after the dumps. So, Japanese engineers do not practice "common sense?" Or ordinary deductive reasoning? Mentally muscle-bound, perhaps?

It boggles my mind.

beefsteak

[Cobalt]

Cobalt,
it sure stretches my credulity to see such cognitive dissonance with this simple cause and effect "shock" on the faces of those measuring radioactivity in ocean after the dumps. So, Japanese engineers do not practice "common sense?" Or ordinary deductive reasoning? Mentally muscle-bound, perhaps?

It boggles my mind.

beefsteak


China seems to understand far better then Japan



China expands food bans

China says it will expand its ban on agricultural imports from Japan due to public concerns about radioactive contamination in food following problems at the nuclear facility in northeastern Japan.

The Japanese Embassy in Beijing said China's move is totally opposite to trends in Japan. It said it will call on the Chinese government to base its actions on rationality and scientific findings.


http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/09_22.html

[beefsteak]

Cobalt,
I'm strongly inclined to agree with your assessment as to the Chinese assessment of non-Japanese foodstuffs being imported.

1) China has a LOT of people to feed, billions in fact. If anyone had reason to "poison a few" it would be them. Doesn't sound like that is the "official plan" by taking this "restriction action."

2) China has demonstrated generosity in providing FREE the concrete pump unit currently visible in both land and aerial shots spraying water into either #1, or is it #3. Seems logical they can be both "generous" in perception and "logical about foodstuffs' issues." I do not see that inconsistent at all.

[beefsteak]

Most excellent 12page PDF on Suzuran modified barge for nuclear water remediation currently being sent (If we can believe said press reports) from Vladivostok, USSR. Seems the Vlad. project was to be completed in 2010, so it is possible it is a "mothballed" resource...

Description here: “Suzuran”
(1) Dimensions: Barge with length 65m, width 23.4m, height 6.6m and draft (max.)
3.5m (displacement of 5,000 tons)
(2) Maximum activity of LRW to be received: Low-level liquid radioactive waste
(3.7×105Bq/liter)
(3) Radioactivity concentration of effluent water: Less than the exemption level
specified in the Sanitary Regulations on Handling Radioactive Wastes
(4) Throughput capacity: 7,000m3 /year (design value)

Title: Ex-post Evaluation on the Provision of the Floating Facility
“Suzuran” for Processing Low-level Liquid Radioactive
Waste

http://www.tecsec.org/pdf/projectpostru01_e.pdf

Now, the press is talking about a different radioactive waste treatment ship loaner? Starts with an "L?"
Anyone remember? I'll research it also if I can hear the name again.

Found it: It is Landysh. This answers an earlier question posted on this thread as to whether the Suzuran was the only such LWR treatment vessel in the world. Now, we know of 2.

The following is from TASS(Russia)


Russia floating nuclear waste plant ready to depart for Japan

08.04.2011, 14.25

VLADIVOSTOK, April 8 (Itar-Tass) - Russia’s floating plant for the processing of radioactive waste - the Landysh - is ready to depart for Japan to work at any moment, the vessel’s captain Vladimir Bobkov told Japanese and Russian journalists on Friday.

Reporters of the Japanese Kyodo and NHK companies on Friday got an opportunity to get familiarised with the work of the unique vessel that is part of the technological process of scrapping nuclear submarines decommissioned from the RF Pacific Fleet at the Bolshoi Kamen town in the Primorsky Territory. The Japanese journalists could see the vessel completely and get acquainted with the crew.

The excursion was organised because of the major interest evoked by the Landysh work after the Japanese government turned to Russia with a request to consider the use of the floating plant at the Fukushima-1 emergency nuclear power plant.

The Landysh floating plant for liquid radioactive waste treatment has for almost 10 years been working at the Zvezda shipyard in Primorsky Territory’s town of Bolshoi Kamen. Over this period it has processed over 5,000 tonnes of liquid radioactive waste (LRW). It was built under the Global Partnership Programme with Japanese budget money and used in the disposal of nuclear submarines decommissioned from the Pacific Fleet.

The floating factory is installed on a non-propelled barge with the displacement of 3,900 tonnes and it can be towed to any desired place. The vessel has a double hull, and its waste treatment unit is installed in a concrete cocoon with 400-mm thick walls, which totally rules out the possibility of hazardous substances’ getting into the water. The Landysh crew consists of 46 members.

The Zvezda shipyard directorate told Itar-Tass that the absence of the Landysh will not affect in any way the technological process of waste recycling. “There are alternatives to such operations,” a shipyard official said.

On Monday, public relations director of Russia’s State Nuclear Corporation (Rosatom) Sergei Novikov said that the Japanese side requested Russia to consider the use of this vessel for operations at Japan’s quake-stricken nuclear power plant. “If the Japanese side is satisfied with the unit’s technical characteristics, it can be moved to the area of the Fukushima-1 NPP in the shortest time possible,” he said.

In the opinion of experts, the Landysh can be used for the processing of radioactive water that filled a number of technical premises and drainage system of the Fukushima-1 NPP.

To ensure its round-the-clock operation, the vessel has a power plant, consisting of four diesel generators, stocks of fuel and water, tanks for LRW and for purified water, as well as a container for temporary storage of solid radioactive waste, received as a result of the vessel’s operation. Novikov emphasised that Russian nuclear specialists have rich experience of building and operating such floating plants for storing and partial processing of LRW. Work on their construction started back in 1970s by the Navashino shipyards in the northwest of the Soviet Union. These vessels were mostly assigned to service nuclear icebreakers, operating in the Arctic.

In the mid-1980s, the Vyborg shipyard built and handed over to the Soviet Navy two transports to receive LRW from Soviet nuclear submarines.

Rosatom believes that accumulated experience of designing and building such boats in the Soviet Union permitted to implement successfully international obligations of Russia in building the Landysh complex for reception and purification LRW in scrapping ships and nuclear-powered submarines in the Russian Far East.

Rosatom noted that if the Japanese government decides to receive this complex to work at the Fukushima-1 power plant, “the vessel and its crew will work gratis as a charity aid to overcome aftermaths of the disaster at this Japanese power plant.” “Japan helped us in resolving our problems with scrapping nuclear subs and waste from them, now it is our turn to help Japan in this difficult time after the quake and the tsunami,” Novikov emphasised.

According to Tass dispatches from Tokyo, the Japanese Foreign Ministry confirmed that the Japanese government was discussing with the Russian side the question on shifting the Landysh vessel from the Russian Far East to the stricken Japanese nuclear plant, including technical details. The Japanese Foreign Ministry said in an interview with Tass that “we study the question on the shifting of the Russian complex to Fukushima-1 after examining technical details.”

The Landysh was built at the Amur shipyard in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, the basic technology for it was supplied from the United States. In November 2001, the floating plant took its place at the Zvezda shipyard’s pier, which made it possible to create a complete technological cycle for the processing of radioactive substances necessary for the dismantlement of nuclear submarines.

The floating factory is installed on a non-propelled barge, and is capable of processing up to 7,000 cubic metres of liquid radioactive waste per year. After the treatment the water can even be used for breeding fish. However, there are drawbacks: the Landysh is designed to work only with low- and medium-level radioactive waste.[/quote]

http://english.ruvr.ru/data/2011/04/07/1265878800/3Landysh.jpg

http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=16134586&PageNum=0


beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Interview with Sergey Antipov, Deputy Director of the Institute of Safe Nuclear Energy Development, Russian Academy of Sciences.

=========================
In 1983, Russia and Japan signed an agreement on providing assistance for the disposal of nuclear arms and the respective technologies, for the purposes of disarmament. Japan provided assistance to Russia within the framework of this agreement.

As part of this cooperation, Japan allocated money, which was used to build a floating plant for the treatment of liquid radioactive waste, LRW.

It has a projected treatment capacity of up to 7,000 cubic meters of liquid radioactive waste a year, but I stress that this is for low-radioactivity waste, as opposed to medium, or high radioactivity waste.

Could you explain the difference between those three levels of radioactivity?

Well, depending on the concentration of radio nuclides in the liquid, they are split into three categories. High radioactivity means that a person cannot come into contact with the liquid. Medium radioactivity liquid requires complex treatment technologies, whereas low radioactivity liquids are subject to treatment and purification. The Landysh plant is designed to treat low radioactivity LRW.

[color=navy]Just to explain, the principle is
A ) liquid waste is put through various filters to get rid of hard particles first, then it is
B ) treated for liquid additives. Then it is
C ) goes through ion-exchange resins and
D ) other chemical processes, such as reverse osmosis, etc, etc. All up, this is a long and complex chain of technologies that renders water that, as the newspapers likes to say, is better quality than what’s in your tap at home.

Whereas everything that’s pulled out throughout the process undergoes additional evaporation, leaving behind a concentrated radioactive mass, which has very fine cement added to it.

This is then poured into 200 liter metal barrels. So you have these barrels with hard radioactive waste. They can be stored at designated land points without fear of radioactive materials seeping into the sea.

This plant was from the outset designed to be transportable between various areas. However, it spent its entire life at a wharf at the Zvezda plant, where it has never been moved from. So there is no question in principle as to whether or not it can be shifted to Japan, provided, of course, that it is compliant with naval requirements as regards its passage abilities – I don’t know whether such tests are carried out annually. The other issue is that the composition of the waste at Fukushima needs to be compatible with the technologies at the Landysh. I’ve seen in the press that Japan has requested various parameters as regards the Landysh’s scope for treatment. Depending on the responses provided by Russia, Japan will decide whether or not to have this facility brought over or not. The process, as I said, is quite expensive and this needs to be factored in.

Meanwhile, our own installation has been developed by the Chemical Institute of the Far Eastern branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences at a former Navy coastal technical base, which now belongs to Rosatom. This facility operates on the basis of local sorbents, unlike the imported sorbents used on the Landysh, which is why they are so expensive. So they have developed this facility which has a lower theoretical capacity but in actual fact has comparable treatment capacity in practice. Plus size-wise, it is tens, if not hundreds, of times smaller. So given the will and desire of the technical leaders of the project, there is scope to build such modules onto the Landysh. The Fukushima issue is very serious and all means should be used to solve this, and the Landysh is one of them.

http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/04/07/48612802.html

[Serpo]

The cesium deception: Why the mainstream media is mostly reporting iodine levels, not radioactive cesium




(NaturalNews) Virtually all the numbers you're seeing about the radioactivity coming out of Fukushima are based on iodine-131 which only has a half-life of 8 days, not the far more dangerous cesium-137 which has a half-life of 30 years. So while the mainstream media reports that "radiation levels are falling rapidly" from the 7.5 million times reading taken a few days ago, what they're not telling you is that the cesium-137 radioactivity will take 30 years just to fall by 50 percent.

It's the great global cover-up in all this: What happens to all the radioactive cesium being dumped into the ocean right now? It doesn't just burn itself out in a few months like iodine-131. This stuff sticks around for centuries.

As part of the cover story, the FDA now says it will test "all imported food products coming from Japan" (http://ecocentric.blogs.time.com/20...). This claim is, of course, ridiculous on its face. Even without this Fukushima emergency in the works, the FDA only tests a tiny fraction of all the food imported into the USA. This agency has no existing infrastructure under which it could test ALL the food being imported from Japan. The very idea is ludicrous.

As this ABC News story reveals, the FDA says it's "really stretched" just to inspect a mere two percent of imported food: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/radiat...

The FDA likes radiation!
Even if the FDA could magically test all the food being imported from Japan, what allowable level of radiation would the FDA claim was "safe" in those foods anyway? Remember, this is the agency that has long supported the mass irradiation of the U.S. food supply as a way to kill e.coli and salmonella.

For all we know, FDA bureaucrats equate radiation with safety and might actually declare radioactive seafood from Japan to be safer than non-radioactive food because, they would say, the radiation "kills salmonella."

Why eating radioactive food is FAR more dangerous than nuclear fallout
The other element in all this that's hardly being reported in the press is that when you eat radioactive food, the threat to your health increases exponentially. That's because internal radiation is far more deadly to your body than external radiation. It all comes down to the law of the inverse square of the distance between you and the radiation source.

A speck of radioactive dust that's one meter away from you, for example, is twice as dangerous as that same speck four meters away. But if you eat that radioactive speck (because it's part of a fish you're consuming, for example), then suddenly it's inside your body. So now it might only be a millimeter away from your internal tissues, meaning you've decreased the distance between you and the radiation source by one thousand times. Because if the law of the inverse square of the distance, you have now magnified the radiation intensity by one million times (because one million is the square of one thousand).

So a speck of radiation that might have been a "low level" if it were floating around in the air around you can suddenly become fatal if you consume it. And that's what people are now facing with Japan's seafood. Yet everybody is being told that it's all perfectly safe, no problem, no worried, don't even think about it.

Where does the radiation go in your body?
We're all being lied to about the "safety" of radioactive food, you see. And there's more to it than what has been discussed here, actually: If a fish takes in radioactive cesium and it gets distributed throughout the body of that fish in the way that potassium would normally get distributed (because cesium follows nearly the same biological pathways as potassium), then the radioactive cesium has become part of the fish flesh.

When you eat that fish, your body breaks down the fish tissues, then reabsorbs the cesium into your own body, distributing the cesium into your own muscle tissues where potassium would normally go. You are what you eat, after all. And if you eat radioactive cesium, then you quickly become a walking radioactive dirty bomb from the inside.

If it's invisible, it must be safe
They don't tell you that on CNN, folks. I'm willing to bet their "info babe" news models don't even have a clue about the laws of physics in the first place. So while they're all telling you that eating irradiated seafood from Japan is perfectly safe, the truth is that it could very well be quite deadly if you're eating fish that contain high levels of cesium.

So you might wonder, then, are fish being detected with cesium in their tissues? You bet they are! You'll find the details in these news stories: http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/co... and http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/busi...

The extremely high levels of radiation even have the local fishermen freaked out. "I can't go out to fish because of the radiation," one Japanese fisherman told ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/radiat...).

But don't worry, we're told. It's all safe to eat. The FDA is in charge, after all.

And remember what governments always say about radiation and chemicals: If it's invisible, it MUST be safe

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/031992_radioactive_cesium.html#ixzz1J3f3v5vj

[beefsteak]

Thanks, Serpo.
This Cesium (both varieties) in No. California Strawberries, Spinach, and milk, is really a troublesome report as of yesterday. Wish it was confirmed by additional testing and I'm sure additional testing is ongoing.

But just reading it once is 'nuff for me and mine to be concerned.

http://www.google.com/search?q=radioactive+strawberries+in+california&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

WOW!

[Serpo]

After reading about that Russian ship ect ,it made me think that no Nuclear Reactor should be made unless they have safe guards in place for accidents and they shouldnt be built unless they do.In fact dont build them at all if they are capable of killing the planet.Not much real regulation in this business it seems and you can see they all stick together.

Radioactive food Beefsteak is beyond nightmare.............

And who on earth is going to want to eat anything from the ocean anymore on the of chance you swallow a bit of nightmare.

[beefsteak]

Serpo,
I hear you. Matter of fact, wife is frantically trying to accumulate "edible, and palatable" vegetable protein recipes as I type this. The thought of giving up fish out of our diet which we love so very much the way it is, is NOT a pleasant thought.

Protective gardening looks like the new order of the day on the come. I'm pretty sure we're not the only ones gulping and looking at this massive change.

One question has arisen...Did the A-bomb tests in Nevada back in the '50s release the 2 Cesiums, also, and not "just" the Iodine -131? ???

I've been thinking lately that the reason why the "midwest per se'" is not publishing their radiation readings is due to the fact they've been screwed over once already from Denver to St. Louis and N.Dakota to Dallas once already. That would make determination of "new cesium" from "old cesium" polluting particulates rather indistinguishable, yes? Even if the answer to the "old Cesium (Nevada) " is yes, it's only on it's second 1/2 life cycle after 60 years, and now starting the 3rd half life cycle. Sobering, yes?

As far as what you said about "no safe nuclear"...that kind of echos what Chris Busby said as quoted in Antonio's article further up on this page 35, yes?

beefsteak

[gunDriller]

protective gardening looks like the new order of the day on the come. I'm pretty sure we're not the only ones gulping and looking at this massive change.


true - a greenhouse, and water drawn from a deep well.

[Large Sarge]

protective gardening looks like the new order of the day on the come. I'm pretty sure we're not the only ones gulping and looking at this massive change.


true - a greenhouse, and water drawn from a deep well.


you can do aquaponics inside a greenhouse setup also

raise tilapia

thats what I am thinking if I stay in this toxic dump

[oldmansmith]

I just want to thank everyone for keeping this thread going, the MSM is all smiles and make-believes.

[beefsteak]

oldmansmith,
a big, +1 to your post!!!

Thanks, everyone from me and my family, too!

[beefsteak]

protective gardening looks like the new order of the day on the come. I'm pretty sure we're not the only ones gulping and looking at this massive change.


true - a greenhouse, and water drawn from a deep well.


you can do aquaponics inside a greenhouse setup also

raise tilapia


Rapid reproducer aka short gestation cycle? Any suppliers guaranteed to sell/ship both genders? And from already established indoor aquaponics stock??? And are they fresh or Saltwater?

Looking forward to hearing more about this, even if I can only get'em to anchovy size...it beats soy products. Soy ANYTHING gives me gas, real bad.

Thanks, Large Sarge.
BTW, my father-in-law, long dead and gone now, used to raise huge goldfish in the horse tank fed by a windmill and maintained for the cattle year round. Anyone know what good sized goldfish taste like? Like are they edible at all?

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

CNN's John King interviewed Chief Nuclear Eng., Arnie Gunderson 3 days ago, and specifically asked questions about the size of the LRW into the ocean.

This was his response: "...the leak that was photographed and is now sealed off was spilling directly into the ocean to the amount of 7+tons per day of much higher radioactive water." This was in addition, said Gunderson to the 11,500 tons added to the ocean by late Friday (4/8/2011) which TEPCO admitted to dumping.

Am I the only one who thought the 11,500 was all that was being dumped?

How many days was that reactor with the photographed gusher leaking 7+Tons per day of mid to high Radioactive Water into the ocean?

Sure goes a long ways to explaining the disparity between the "expected oceanic readings of radioactive Iodine-131" they tried to feed as pablum to the public vs. what they'd already been doing for several weeks at 7+T per day. Could the second "release" possibly be a "cover-up release" in order to postpone what Eng. Arnie pointed out to John King?

Sure makes one wonder, yes?

GEEEZE!

http://vimeo.com/22034694 (filmed CNN interview, dated 3 days ago on the 6th)

[Large Sarge]

I went to a conference on greenhouses in Charleston about a month ago

www.cropking.com

they do aquaponics

it was funny, there were a couple of "GIM/GS-US" type folks there

and when they brought up monsanto buying up "small local seed companies", everyone in the audience groaned......

No one likes monsanto.....

[gunDriller]

I just want to thank everyone for keeping this thread going, the MSM is all smiles and make-believes.


damn - to be fly on the wall at the UN or whichever agency rates nuclear disasters - or even in the Obama White House.

i wonder how long after the initial explosion Chernobyl was rated as a 7 ? of course, Chernobyl only released radiation through the atmosphere. Fukushima is releasing radiation into the ocean AND the atmosphere.

i think they are going to go with smiles and make-believes for the indefinite future, until either it serves their purpose to upgrade the Event to a 7, or until it is impossible to ignore.

meanwhile, the deliberate releases of radiation continue in Iraq & Afghanistan in the form of Depleted Uranium. Combine that with what's happening in Japan, and the continued poisoning of the Gulf, and it's a chain of mostly man-made environmental devastation that encircles the globe.

it's as if the Talmud Worshippers that are responsible for most of the devastation had a bug-out pad - on another planet. given that they live here too, i can't say i understand their thinking, except for the part about happy-smiley face News Programming & Propaganda.

they are behaving as if they think the devastation will be confined locally, & not travel with the wind and the tides.

but, look at what they're doing in Iraq. which is about as close to Israel as Reno is to the SF Bay Area - probably closer. if Nevada decided to blow up hundreds of tons of Depleted Uranium right on the border with California border, what do you think the citizens of California would say about it ? i don't understand why the Talmud-worshippers in Israel tolerate America's use of Depleted Uranium ... unless they are sick enough to tolerate some local radiation in Zion if they can achieve their goal of destroying the Arab world - and controlling the oil.

[DMac]

DMac,
your post #572, I guess I missed it the first time through. Thanks for that research and posting same.

"de factor nuclear power" perfectly logical, paypback and all that. However, supposing Mark I reactor "layout" is more amenable to such weapons upgrading than other types of nuclear facilities "over there," would it stand to reason that the Japanese put all their "nuclear enrichment eggs" into one Fuku. basket, a.k.a., #3 reactor?

While I understand the Japanese not particularly relishing seeking disaster assistance in this matter from the US, I find it even more odd they would use the "Sea of Japan" and Russian Nuke waste dumping there as a cooperative effort excuse. Especially in light of the dumping they have just done and will continue to do, inspite of protestations to the contrary.

Do you?


I agree with you. Generally speaking I am not a fan of Greenpeace, but I find it coincidental that Greenpeace was harping on the Fuku plant in particular. I can't understand why MOX was in use there if it didn't have a secondary (or nefarious) purpose.

Has anyone found evidence of MOX or Plutonium in use at any of the other Japanese NPPs?

[SHTF2010]

i think this thread deserves " sticky " status

[JohnQPublic]

DMac,
your post #572, I guess I missed it the first time through. Thanks for that research and posting same.

"de factor nuclear power" perfectly logical, paypback and all that. However, supposing Mark I reactor "layout" is more amenable to such weapons upgrading than other types of nuclear facilities "over there," would it stand to reason that the Japanese put all their "nuclear enrichment eggs" into one Fuku. basket, a.k.a., #3 reactor?

While I understand the Japanese not particularly relishing seeking disaster assistance in this matter from the US, I find it even more odd they would use the "Sea of Japan" and Russian Nuke waste dumping there as a cooperative effort excuse. Especially in light of the dumping they have just done and will continue to do, inspite of protestations to the contrary.

Do you?


I agree with you. Generally speaking I am not a fan of Greenpeace, but I find it coincidental that Greenpeace was harping on the Fuku plant in particular. I can't understand why MOX was in use there if it didn't have a secondary (or nefarious) purpose.

Has anyone found evidence of MOX or Plutonium in use at any of the other Japanese NPPs?


In 1990s I was reading that the Japanese had a long term plan to reprocess fuel. The French did too, but politics intervened there more. The Germans wanted it, but a lot of their population was against it.

Here (http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf69.html):

"...Several European countries, Russia and Japan have had a policy to reprocess used nuclear fuel, although government policies in many other countries have not yet addressed the various aspects of reprocessing.

Over the last 50 years the principal reason for reprocessing used fuel has been to recover unused uranium and plutonium in the used fuel elements and thereby close the fuel cycle, gaining some 25% more energy from the original uranium in the process and thus contributing to energy security. A secondary reason is to reduce the volume of material to be disposed of as high-level waste to about one fifth. In addition, the level of radioactivity in the waste from reprocessing is much smaller and after about 100 years falls much more rapidly than in used fuel itself."

[Serpo]

TEPCO uses unmanned equipment to remove rubble

Tokyo Electric Power Company has begun using unmanned heavy equipment to remove radioactive rubble at the tsunami-hit Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.

Hydrogen explosions blew off the ceilings and walls of the Number One and Number Three reactor buildings. The debris is emitting hundreds of millisieverts of radiation per hour in some places, hindering the restoration work.

The utility started using remote-controlled power shovels and bulldozers to remove the rubble on Sunday afternoon.

Operators are using cameras attached to the equipment as well as 6 fixed cameras at the site to carry out the work from hundreds of meters away.

A lead-covered mobile operating room will be used to remove debris from places that cannot be reached by radio waves.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/10_21.html



Japanese Experts: Effort is in danger of failing… and reactors too hot to cover in concrete — TEPCO admits there is no end in sight


http://enenews.com/japanese-experts-effort-is-in-danger-of-failing-reactors-too-hot-to-cover-in-concrete-tepco-admits-there-is-no-end-in-sight

NY Times anonymous source: “Extremely radioactive material continues to ooze out” of No. 2 reactor vessel — “Leak is likely to widen with time”


http://enenews.com/nytimes-anonymous-source-extremely-radioactive-material-continues-to-ooze-out-of-no-2-reactor-pressure-vessel-leak-is-likely-to-widen-with-time-diagram

[Serpo]

Check out the little twitter device at this web page down on the right, as it is constantly updating itself with links on the nuclear crisis.

http://enenews.com/

[Neuro]

Too hot to handle... Not good! Japan is fuked!

[beefsteak]

One sign of movement on horizon:

Kyodo news has just posted an April 11th headline translated into English, but vid and rest of page is in Japanese:

-- 'Megafloat' artificial floating island arrives at Yokohama port en route to Fukushima plant to be used for nuclear waste disposal KYODO NEWS offers this url, which I can't make heads or tails of:
OSAKA, are you close by for translating assistance? http://www.47news.jp/movie/general_national/post_3173/ (http://((http://www.47news.jp/movie/general_national/post_3173/)

Thought "megafloat" was publicly pitched as "storage off site but within lagoon inside breakwater jetty" a familiar landmark frequently visible in aerial photos of Fukushima.

At least TEPCO's doing SOMETHING besides just pouring water on this steaming radioactive disaster site.... :-\

[Serpo]

CNN's John King interviewed Chief Nuclear Eng., Arnie Gunderson 3 days ago, and specifically asked questions about the size of the LRW into the ocean.

This was his response: "...the leak that was photographed and is now sealed off was spilling directly into the ocean to the amount of 7+tons per day of much higher radioactive water." This was in addition, said Gunderson to the 11,500 tons added to the ocean by late Friday (4/8/2011) which TEPCO admitted to dumping.

Am I the only one who thought the 11,500 was all that was being dumped?

How many days was that reactor with the photographed gusher leaking 7+Tons per day of mid to high Radioactive Water into the ocean?

Sure goes a long ways to explaining the disparity between the "expected oceanic readings of radioactive Iodine-131" they tried to feed as pablum to the public vs. what they'd already been doing for several weeks at 7+T per day. Could the second "release" possibly be a "cover-up release" in order to postpone what Eng. Arnie pointed out to John King?

Sure makes one wonder, yes?

GEEEZE!

http://vimeo.com/22034694 (filmed CNN interview, dated 3 days ago on the 6th)


Right at the end of the clip he mentions that the leak from the hole had stronger levels of radiation then the other lot they released.And they released that stuff to make way for stuff with higher levels.

So a lot of radioactivity has gone into the ocean.

[Serpo]

One sign of movement on horizon:

Kyodo news has just posted an April 11th headline translated into English, but vid and rest of page is in Japanese:

-- 'Megafloat' artificial floating island arrives at Yokohama port en route to Fukushima plant to be used for nuclear waste disposal KYODO NEWS offers this url, which I can't make heads or tails of:
OSAKA, are you close by for translating assistance? http://www.47news.jp/movie/general_national/post_3173/ (http://((http://www.47news.jp/movie/general_national/post_3173/)

Thought "megafloat" was publicly pitched as "storage off site but within lagoon inside breakwater jetty" a familiar landmark frequently visible in aerial photos of Fukushima.

At least TEPCO's doing SOMETHING besides just pouring water on this steaming radioactive disaster site.... :-\




Is this what they mean...

[beefsteak]

Serpo,
Your link is also good for showing 48hrs breadth of Wind distribution of radioactive fallout over the USA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ieu8UHlRxqo

My family's deeply appreciative of the YouTube'r who is posting this animation in 3 hour segments UTC based time, on YouTube in full-screen mode, so I can see it, plus stop/start/study the animation.

Those who are checking this out for themselves and their loved ones: PLEASE remember to convert UTC time to YOUR time zone...

It is my current understanding, and certainly willing to be corrected
EDT is 6 hours PRIOR to the stop-watch clock above animated graphic.
CDT is 7 hrs PRIOR
MDT is 8 hrs Prior
PDT is 9 hrs Prior

IF I HAVE THE TIME UNDERSTANDING WRONG, I would sincerely thank someone to please correct me on this forum! I strive to accurately understand and improve my understanding of how to apply UTC time to the 4 time zones in the USA.

I don't even know if UTC can be adjusted for our goofy Daylight Savings time, and I've completely missed the correct reading altogether.

Anyone?

Thanks
beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Serpo,
I was not aware the "megafloat" was a Russian-built "loaner." I know the LANDYSH LRW treatment barge is, but not the megafloat.

Please help me understand better. Thank you.

beefsteak

[Serpo]

Serpo,
I was not aware the "megafloat" was a Russian-built "loaner." I know the LANDYSH is, but not the megafloat.
Please help me understand better. Thank you.

beefsteak


I thought they where talking about that Russian ship but realised mistake and posted image of MEGAFLOAT in place of ,its gigantic.

[beefsteak]

Thanks, Serpo for that clarification.

Must be many types of megafloats. As a landlubber, I'd never even heard of such a vessel type until this disaster.

You're a stand up guy, Serpo. I appreciate all your informative research sharing and wanted to say a special thanks.

beefsteak

[Antonio]

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/11/magnitude-7-1-earthquake-rattles-coast-of-japan/?hpt=T1

another quake at Fukushima, wouldn`t wish this even on my enemies...

[Serpo]

Thanks, Serpo for that clarification.

Must be many types of megafloats. As a landlubber, I'd never even heard of such a vessel type until this disaster.

You're a stand up guy, Serpo. I appreciate all your informative research sharing and wanted to say a special thanks.

beefsteak


Thanks for the compliment Beefsteak but I think you are the one that deserves the accolades in keeping things moving along here.

Yea first Ive heard of mega floats also..........

Bit sad today as cat we had for 20 yrs died last night.

[Antonio]

http://vimeo.com/22209827

Arnie Gundersen demonstrates how Fukushima's fuel rods melted and shattered

[Serpo]

http://vimeo.com/22209827

Arnie Gundersen demonstrates how Fukushima's fuel rods melted and shattered



These people are insane that invented nuclear reactors,I mean.

[gunDriller]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22750.0;attach=698 9;image

are they really going to store nuclear waste on a large barge - in a tsunami-prone location ?

that is seriously unwise.

[beefsteak]

Antonio,
your first link led me to this horrifically obscene photo in a CNN story online t'day regarding the new aftershock in Northern Japan.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/BUSINESS/04/11/japan.fukushima.nuclear.industry/t1larg.jpg

My first great grand-daughter was born in West Virginia 3:10 Sunday morning (yesterday.) All 8# and 20.5" long miracle of her. I confess to being re-sensitized to the nuclear atrocities of this world, and this particular photo jolted me hard today. What ARE the French thinking who painted that scene of innocence on a "cooling tower belching steam from the nuke plant" in France? ? ? ? ?

Have we totally lost our minds as a human race?

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Serpo,
thanks for YOUR kind words too, bro. And I'm sorry for your loss and the sadness you are feeling today. A faithful furry companion is one of life's true pleasures. In my faith system, your family friend is in a sunny and brighter place today, and still lovingly responding to you and yours in wondrous new ways. Their life was a gift of a Creator, and said life has returned to same. It's the love that endures!

beefsteak

[DMac]

Antonio,
your first link led me to this horrifically obscene photo in a CNN story online t'day regarding the new aftershock in Northern Japan.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/BUSINESS/04/11/japan.fukushima.nuclear.industry/t1larg.jpg

My first great grand-daughter was born in West Virginia 3:10 Sunday morning (yesterday.) All 8# and 20.5" long miracle of her. I confess to being re-sensitized to the nuclear atrocities of this world, and this particular photo jolted me hard today. What ARE the French thinking who painted that scene of innocence on a "cooling tower belching steam from the nuke plant" in France? ? ? ? ?

Have we totally lost our minds as a human race?

beefsteak




Notice the pyramid and its missing capstone. Naughty.

[woodman]

I find that photo fascinating. Notice the wind turbines in the foreground. WTF?

[beefsteak]

Dmac,
nope, I missed that pyramid to which you refer. I had to go back and see what you were pointing out. WOW! Any theories on the significance of the missing capstone? I haven't studied pyramids, except that if I saw one in real life without a capstone, I'd think it was "incomplete." hmmm.

Woodman,
The juxtaposition of the 2 "systems" was not lost on me, either. CRAZY!

beefsteak

[DMac]

Dmac,
nope, I missed that pyramid to which you refer. I had to go back and see what you were pointing out. WOW! Any theories on the significance of the missing capstone? I haven't studied pyramids, except that if I saw one in real life without a capstone, I'd think it was "incomplete." hmmm.

Woodman,
The juxtaposition of the 2 "systems" was not lost on me, either. CRAZY!

beefsteak


When I see a pyramid missing its capstone it screams masonic to me, couple that with that little yellow ball at the top and you've got your eye of horus. "Naughty", as in Illuminati.

[beefsteak]

Ahhhh....okay. Now I have to go look up "eye of Horus."

I didn't see the yellow ball either. I just assumed the child was pouring sand out of her found seashell into a partially visible bucket.

Guess I better start paying more attention to this pyramid stuff. Thanks again, DMac

[keehah]

If we put the capstone back on the pyramid the priest's bone collections and ongoing human sacrifices should stop.

Its not just "Level 7″. Four Chernobyl's is a 7.4. :P

[beefsteak]

Dmac,
well, THAT was a disgusting read re: eye of Horus and its significance to belief systems that I do not subscribe to.

Now, that French nuke cooling tower photo is even MORE obscene. No viva le' franc from this quarter!

[Antonio]

http://bigthink.com/ideas/37705

Michio Kaku is not optimistic today...

[osoab]

Japan officially raises Fukushima to Level 7, same as Chernobyl (http://enenews.com/japan-officially-raises-fukushima-to-level-7-same-as-chernobyl-translation)


For a series of accidents happening at TEPCO’s Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station, Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency of the Ministry of Economy, which released large amounts of radioactive substances that affect human health and the environment in a wide range As an assessment based on international standards of the accident, the worst “level seven” decided to raise. “Level 7″ is the same as the evaluation occurred in the Soviet Chernobyl disaster. Nuclear Safety Agency, 12, held a press conference with the Nuclear Safety Commission has decided to publish the contents of the evaluation (http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20110412/t10015249911000.html). …

So how long before we hit 10 or 11?

[Horn]

If we put the capstone back on the pyramid the priest's bone collections and ongoing human sacrifices should stop.

Its not just "Level 7″. Four Chernobyl's is a 7.4. :P


Talk about God's real estate, makes one shudder.

If we use the law of averages, as there are 6.

It could end up a round 6.66.

[lapis]

Ahhhh....okay. Now I have to go look up "eye of Horus."

That's exactly what I just did....there's all sorts of interesting things that pop up when you google eye of horus + illuminati. This was a good thread (http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=7050)about it on one of the David Icke forums (according to one poster, showing the right eye has a different meaning than showing the left one!).

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I also wanted to share that I was emailing my friend some information that I had studied years ago in graduate school, about the seminal book on the English working class called London Labour and the London Poor.

When you google images of the first editions, it shows leather-bound books. The later illustrated editions show pictures of people from Victorian England on the cover.

Now here's the cover that Cosimo Books decided to use for their 2009 edition:

http://i53.tinypic.com/fp82sk.png

Why would someone use an image that is most associated with the American dollar bill for a cover about the Victorian working class?! No matter where you look, it seems "they" are just rubbing our noses in their symbolism.

[keehah]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mulrhR15ucY

[gunDriller]

So how long before we hit 10 or 11?


i'm glad they're finally being honest about it.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/12_05.html


from Bloomberg - "What we don’t know is how much the Japanese earthquake is going to affect earnings"

http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aDVrlJh_vlDM&pos=2


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqO64-ipqAM&feature=player_embedded
Ruppert knows how the quake will affect the economy - when the Q2 earnings are reported, form April May June, the GDP contraction that started March 11 will show up in a full 3 months' earnings.

because so many people calculate their wealth by their stock portfolios, they won't see the seriousness of the situation until they find themselves back re-living March 2009 and September 2008.

also, the US debt-GDP ratio will get worse.


personally i prefer the honesty in reporting but it is alarming.

i am thinking that it would be good to contruct a greenhouse, so that i can have an area of arable land to grow food without having radiation rain falling on it.

[beefsteak]

Talk about God's real estate, makes one shudder.

If we use the law of averages, as there are 6.

It could end up a round 6.66.


Horn,
there are 3 more in trouble, just since the 2 - 7.1 earthquakes that occurred a couple 4 days ago and then 1 today 4/11/2011. Two reactors in Onagawa had sporadic power, and 1 further north in a town that I don't recall the name had a power failure after switching off the temp diesel engine and couldn't get it re started. They were going to try to acquire a new diesel generator Monday morning, Japan time.

When same generation Mark I reactors are engineered to 7.0 earthquake specs if we can believe what we are told, and then said Richter Scale readings are followed up by deliberate FUDOLM, I confess to not believing the "just 7-ish readings" of the two latest shocks along Japan's east coast. Nor do I believe they were "better prepared with backup diesel generators and matching male/female plug in hardware story we were fed on Fuku.... the deleterious effects upon the array of coastal reactors is yet to be revealed to the world.

Where are the "US Military keyhole satellites" eqpt/images we KNOW can read the brand on a stationary tennis ball at Wimbleton center court, or the carat of diamond on old Crissy's engagement ring from Greg Norman? There is so much being FUDOLM occurring, I sometimes wonder if we can trust anything but our own eyes, and our own deductive reasoning, whether or not we are nuclear "brain surgeons."

beefsteak

[Horn]

I can't seem to play any of those live geiger counter readings from Tokyo.

Anyone else able to see this thing?

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/%E3%82%AC%E3%82%A4%E3%82%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AB%E3%8 2%A6%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BF

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mulrhR15ucY


Denotes the border of "The New Realm" anything past Denver was given up to the Indigenous Tribes of Goyim.

[Cobalt]

I can't seem to play any of those live geiger counter readings from Tokyo.

Anyone else able to see this thing?

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/%E3%82%AC%E3%82%A4%E3%82%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AB%E3%8 2%A6%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BF


Sure it reads
019.87 CPM

[Horn]

I can't seem to play any of those live geiger counter readings from Tokyo.

Anyone else able to see this thing?

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/%E3%82%AC%E3%82%A4%E3%82%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AB%E3%8 2%A6%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BF


Sure it reads
019.87 CPM


L.A.s at 56 currently.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-radiation-monitoring-from-west-la

[beefsteak]

Radiation net of USA laity geigers --reporting in via computer-- are still up on http://radiationnetwork.com/, a sticky that madfranks has posted sometime back.

That's a good sticky, madfranks. Thanks again!

[beefsteak]

I've got a photobucket "baseline radiationnetwork" map for on the fly CPM comparisons.

.....but photobucket is in "maintenance mode" and I'll be back to post it here, when I can grab the URL for y'all.

Sorry about the delay.

beefsteak.

[sirgonzo420]

I'm reading 17 CPM (or 0.017 mr/h or 0.17 uSv/h) here (inside the house) in Kentucky.

[Cobalt]

This site will show you hourly/daily counts from Tokyo from today back to March 15th


http://mu.jklmnop.net/japan/archive.html

[Horn]

I'm reading 17 CPM (or 0.017 mr/h or 0.17 uSv/h) here (inside the house) in Kentucky.




Check this rain video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM0sgvyjvF0&feature=channel_video_title

[Cobalt]

*** Nothing to be concerned about and it is not harmful in any way

*** Too the cars paint

[Book]

http://www.411mania.com/siteimages/godzilla_84643.jpg

Japanese Declare Crisis at Level of Chernobyl

TOKYO—The Japanese government raised its assessment of the monthlong crisis at its Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant to the highest severity level by international standards—a rating only conferred so far upon the Chernobyl accident.

Japan's nuclear regulators said the plant has likely released so much radiation into the environment that it must boost the accident's severity rating on the International Nuclear Event scale to a 7 from 5 currently. That is the same level reached by the Chernobyl nuclear disaster in the former Soviet Union, which struck almost exactly 25 years ago, on April 26, 1986.

Linky (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703841904576256742249147126.html)

:o

[beefsteak]

Reuters is reporting the following curious comment...and since it relates to what I've been researching today wrt: Zircaloy Pyrophoricity, it is shared below:




Fire at Japan’s crippled nuclear plant, more aftershocks
By Shinichi Saoshiro and Kazunori Takada
Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:35pm EDT

TOKYO (Reuters)
"Operator of the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, 240 km (150 miles) north of Tokyo, said on Tuesday that its workers were fighting a fire near damaged reactor No. 4.


Reuters: 12:55 EDT April 12:....
"Several experts said the new rating exaggerated the severity of the crisis, adding the incident did not compare to the Chernobyl disaster in Ukraine a quarter of a century ago which spewed radiation over most of Europe.

"It's nowhere near that level. Chernobyl was terrible -- it blew and they had no containment, and they were stuck," said nuclear industry specialist Murray Jennex, an associate professor at San Diego State University in California.

"Their (Japan's) containment has been holding, the only thing that hasn't is the fuel pool that caught fire..

"It was unclear how serious the fire was.

"Flames and smoke are no longer visible but we are awaiting further details regarding whether the fire has been extinguished completely," said a spokesman for Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO).

Anyone found themselves asking "how a fuel pool can catch fire? Especially one reported earlier on this thread (by G2Rad?) that it holds 680,000 some odd "spent fuel rods" in the # 4 bldg as the #4 reactor isn't even operational and hasn't been for some period of time before March 11, 2011, acc'd to TEPCO and reported here earlier?

I have a lead on an answer and found it in this pdf on the net: It's free to view...just click the Adobe Icon.

http://www.osti.gov/bridge/purl.cover.jsp?purl=/5791423-14Pgn9/

beefsteak

[lapis]

Just talked to one of my relatives who is STILL (!!!) in Japan. He claims "things are getting better." Uh-huh! I said that the radiation is getting in the rainwater and food in CA. It seemed like he hadn't heard about this as he has very little Internet access.

[lapis]

So after posting the above^^^ I go to Zero Hedge and see this wonderful headline:

Fire Breaks Out At Fukushima Reactor 4 (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/fire-breaks-out-fukushima-reactor-4)

Why oh why did I go to ZH, when I need to get to sleep? *kicking self repeatedly*

[Horn]

So after posting the above^^^ I go to Zero Hedge and see this wonderful headline:

Fire Breaks Out At Fukushima Reactor 4 (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/fire-breaks-out-fukushima-reactor-4)

Why oh why did I go to ZH, when I need to get to sleep? *kicking self repeatedly*


Well if they let it go long enough, the Sinking Into the Sea might just put it out.


Maximum Postseismic Horizontal Displacement

~41cm (Data from 2011-03-11 18:00 to 2011-04-07 03:00 JST)

~33cm (Data from 2011-03-11 18:00 to 2011-03-31 03:00 JST)
# The GPS data at which the maximum displacement was observed in most periods were not available for this period.
~33cm (Data from 2011-03-11 18:00 to 2011-03-25 03:00 JST)
~30cm (Data from 2011-03-11 18:00 to 2011-03-22 03:00 JST)
~23cm (Data from 2011-03-11 18:00 to 2011-03-18 03:00 JST)
~20cm (Data from 2011-03-11 18:00 to 2011-03-16 09:00 JST)
~15cm (Data from 2011-03-11 18:00 to 2011-03-15 03:00 JST)
~14cm (Data from 2011-03-11 18:00 to 2011-03-14 03:00 JST)
~12cm (Data from 2011-03-11 18:00 to 2011-03-13 06:00 JST

http://www.gsi.go.jp/cais/topic110315.2-index-e.html

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL8J46QyXUQ&feature=player_embedded

[beefsteak]

The very same "French" who paint innocent child on their nuke cooling tower, released this children + pregnant women health advisory, including warnings about milk, large leaf veggies, I-131, and Cesium-137, etc. Plus an interesting USA chart from various tests.


French Nuclear Group Warns that Children and Pregnant Mothers Should Protect Themselves from Radiation

Submitted by George Washington on 04/11/2011 21:00 -0400


As Euractiv notes:

The risks associated with iodine-131 contamination in Europe are no longer "negligible," according to CRIIRAD, a French research body on radioactivity. The NGO is advising pregnant women and infants against "risky behaviour," such as consuming fresh milk or vegetables with large leaves.


The document, published on 7 April, advises against consuming rainwater and says vulnerable groups such as children and pregnant or breastfeeding women should avoid consuming vegetables with large leaves, fresh milk and creamy cheese.



The risks related to prolonged contamination among vulnerable groups of the population can no longer be considered "negligible" and it is now necessary to avoid "risky behaviour," CRIIRAD claimed.



However, the institute underlines that there is absolutely no need to lock oneself indoors or take iodine tablets.

CRIIRAD says its information note is not limited to the situation in France and is applicable to other European countries, as the level of air contamination is currently the same in Belgium, Germany, Italy and Switzerland, for instance.


The institute stresses that there is no risk whatsoever, even for children, of standing in the rain without protection. But consumption of rainwater as a primary source of drinking water should be avoided, particularly among children, it said.


As for tap water, underground catchments or large rivers should not present any problem. But the institute suggests that the situation of water from reservoirs that collect rainwater from one or more watersheds, such as hillside lakes, should be examined more closely.

As for watering one's garden with collected rainwater, CRIIRAD advises watering only the earth and not the leaves of vegetables, as absorption is faster and more significant on leaf surfaces than through roots.

Spinach, salads, cabbage and other vegetables with large surface areas are among those food products that are particularly sensitive to iodine-131 contamination, if they are cultivated outside and exposed to rainwater. Washing vegetables does not help, as iodine-131 is quickly metabolised by the plants, CRIIRAD notes.

Fresh milk and creamy cheeses, as well as meat from cattle that have been outside eating grass, are categorised as foods that may have been indirectly contaminated and must also be monitored. Contamination of milk and cheese from goats and sheep may be of a greater magnitude than that of produce from cows.

CRIIRAD appears to count credible scientists among its ranks, including director Bruno Chareyron - who holds an engineering degree in Energy and Nuclear Technology and postgraduate degrees in Nuclear Engineering and Particle Physics.

The Euractiv article notes that radiation levels are much higher in the U.S. than in France:

Data for the west coast of the United States, which received the Fukushima radioactive fallout 6-10 days before France, reveals that levels of radioactive iodine-131 concentration are 8-10 times higher there, the institute says.

Radioactive iodine-131 values measured by the French Institute for Radiological Protection and Nuclear Safety (IRSN) in recent days show the following, varying levels of contamination: 0,08 Bq/kg in salad, spinach and leeks in Aix-en-Provence, 0,17 Bq per litre in milk in Lourdes and 2,1 Bq per litre in goats milk in Clansayes.

(The French use a comma instead of a period as a decimal point).

0.17 becquerels per liter equals 4.59 picocuries per liter. But cesium levels of 19 picocuries per liter of radioactive cesium plus 18 picocuries per liter of radioactive iodine have been found in milk from Hilo, Hawaii (this is the official EPA data):

It is not surprising that radiation levels are higher in the U.S. than in Europe. As Canada's Simon Fraser University notes:

"The jet stream is carrying the radiation from Japan to North America. Most of the radioactivity disperses in the atmosphere and falls over the Pacific Ocean on its way over, but some of it has now reached the west coast, falling down with rain, and mixing with seawater. It’s also accumulating in seaweed."

As contributor George Washington noted on March 12th:

"The jet stream passes right over Japan. The jet stream was noticed in the 1920's by a Japanese meteorologist near Mount Fuji ... If radioactivity got blown by surface winds up into the jet stream, it could spread widely."

So should American children and pregnant mothers also protect themselves from exposure to radiation by avoiding drinking rainwater and eating certain foods?**

I don't know. Each person must make their own decisions.

Contributor George Washington's Disclaimer: I am not a doctor or a health professional, and this should not be taken as medical advice. Nothing contained herein is intended to diagnose or treat any condition. You should consult your doctor before making any decisions about whether or not to take any of the foods, herbs, supplements or substances mentioned herein.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/french-nuclear-group-warns-children-and-pregnant-mothers-should-protect-themselves-radiation

**NOT just Western USA children and pregnant women, oh, no...just telling you what French children and women should be doing. :sarc:

GIVE ME STRENGTH! Oh, and PS...35 cities/states milk contanimation reported as of 4/8 on samples taken 3/29 through 4/1 chart available on above link.

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZgG9hU07ps

[beefsteak]

FORBES.com blogger is now weighing in on "how to protect drinking water." hmmmm. CFR'er Steve Forbes has an associated blogger who has grown a conscience??? I'LL TAKE IT!!!

http://blogs.forbes.com/jeffmcmahon/2011/04/07/how-to-remove-radioactive-iodine-131-from-drinking-water/

Just as a side-note...today, I took it upon myself to make the family's first non-dairy milk supply for cereal, coffee, baking and gravy consumption for the rest of the week. It helped we had an unused Milk Shake Machine sitting around which the wife picked up at a 2nd hand store for a $10 FRN some time back. One of those Hamilton Beach things. (Found this pix on Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/Hamilton-Beach-730C-Classic-DrinkMaster/dp/B00004X135)

It sure made a creamy white concoction, and beats all to heck what my own Mother would make for us simply by stirring back in the post war years. Her stuff was plumb gritty, but it was the frugal choice she had to make.

Going to take some getting used to--both the taste and me making it--and I expect howls in the morning. But, the "safe milk" was all gone, so I stepped up. Shocked the wife, but I can't leave all the changing around here to her. It's not fair. She's already fretting about how she's going to change her grocery buying habits instilled in her since she was a teen-ager...some 6 decades ago.

Change, especially protective dietary change isn't going to come easy. But it HAS started around here. And it felt darned weird whipping up milk, and at my age. HINT: It helped when I mixed in 1/2 t. vanilla as an after thought before refrigerating it, if anyone is interested in that detail.

[Horn]

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/10/140_35.gif

[Antonio]

Radiation getting into the ocean vs Chernobyl which was inside a huge landmass is akin to getting an infection right into one`s bloodstream vs a skin abscess. Chernobyl was a horror but it was a localized event, this thing will be our planet`s blood poisoning.

[beefsteak]

It sure is looking that way, Antonio. Thanks for illustrating it with your first hand knowledge of Chernobyl's history.

[Serpo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VM9KKs6IupQ


Japan ups nuke crisis severity to match Chernobyl
Japan raised the severity level of the crisis at its crippled nuclear plant Tuesday to rank it on par with the 1986 Chernobyl disaster, citing cumulative radiation leaks contaminating the air, tap water, vegetables and seawater.

Japanese nuclear regulators said the rating was being raised from 5 to 7 - the highest level on an international scale overseen by the International Atomic Energy Agency - after new assessments of radiation leaks from the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant since it was disabled by the March 11 tsunami.

The new ranking signifies a "major accident" that includes widespread effects on the environment and health, according to the Vienna-based IAEA.

However, Japanese officials have played down any health effects so far. They said leaks from the Fukushima plant amount to a tenth of the radiation emitted in the Chernobyl disaster, while acknowledging they eventually could exceed Chernobyl's emissions if the crisis continues.

"This reconfirms that this is an extremely major disaster. We are very sorry to the public, people living near the nuclear complex and the international community for causing such a serious accident," said Chief Cabinet Secretary Yuki Edano.

But Edano told reporters there was no "direct health damage" so far from the crisis. "The accident itself is really serious, but we have set our priority so as not to cause health damage."

Hironobu Unesaki, a nuclear physicist at Kyoto University Research Reactor Institute, said the revision was not a cause for worry, that it had to do with the overall release of radiation and was not directly linked to health dangers. He said most of the radiation was released early in the crisis and that the reactors still have mostly intact containment vessels surrounding their nuclear cores.

The change was "not directly connected to the environmental and health effects," Unesaki said. "Judging from all the measurement data, it is quite under control. It doesn't mean that a significant amount of release is now continuing."

The revision came a day after the government added five communities to a list of places people should leave to avoid long-term radiation exposure. A 12-mile (20-kilometer) radius already had been cleared around the plant.

Continued aftershocks following the 9.0-magnitude megaquake on March 11 have impeded work in stabilizing the Fukushima plant - the latest a 6.3-magnitude one Tuesday that prompted plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. to temporarily pull back workers.

Officials from Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said that the cumulative amount of radioactive particles released into the atmosphere since the incident had reached levels that apply to a Level 7 incident. Other factors included damage to the plant's buildings and accumulated radiation levels for its workers.

"We have upgraded the severity level to 7 as the impact of radiation leaks has been widespread from the air, vegetables, tap water to the ocean," NISA official Minoru Oogoda said.

The revision was based on cross-checking and assessments of data on leaks of radioactive iodine-131 and cesium-137, NISA spokesman Hidehiko Nishiyama said.

"We have refrained from making announcements until we have reliable data," Nishiyama said. "The announcement is being made now because it became possible to look at and check the accumulated data assessed in two different ways," he said, referring to measurements from NISA and Japan's Nuclear Security Council.

Nishiyama noted that unlike in Chernobyl there have been no explosions of reactor cores at the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant, although there were hydrogen explosions.

"In that sense, this situation is totally different from Chernobyl," he said.

He said the amount of radiation leaking from the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant was around 10 percent of the Chernobyl accident.

However, plant operator TEPCO is still estimating the total amount of radioactive material that could be released, company spokesman Junichi Matsumoto said. He acknowledged that, if leaks continue, the amount of radioactivity released might eventually exceed the amount emitted by Chernobyl.

The company, under fire for its handling of the accident and its disaster preparedness before the March 11 earthquake and tsunami, issued yet another apology Tuesday.

"We humbly accept this. We deeply apologize for causing tremendous trouble to those who live near the nuclear complex and people in the prefecture," TEPCO spokesman Naoki Tsunoda said.

In Chernobyl, in the Ukraine, a reactor exploded on April 26, 1986, spewing a cloud of radiation over much of the Northern Hemisphere. A zone about 19 miles (30 kilometers) around the plant was declared uninhabitable, although some plant workers still live there for short periods and a few hundred other people have returned despite government encouragement to stay away.

In 2005, the Chernobyl Forum - a group comprising the International Atomic Energy Agency and several other U.N. groups - said fewer than 50 deaths could be confirmed as being connected to Chernobyl. It also said the number of radiation-related deaths among the 600,000 people who helped deal with the aftermath of the accident would ultimately be around 4,000.

The U.N. health agency, however, has said about 9,300 people are likely to die of cancers caused by radiation. Some groups, including Greenpeace, have put the numbers 10 times higher.

The Fukushima plant was damaged in a massive tsunami March 11 that knocked out cooling systems and backup diesel generators, leading to explosions at three reactors and a fire at a fourth that was undergoing regular maintenance and was empty of fuel.

The magnitude-9.0 earthquake that caused the tsunami immediately stopped the three reactors, but overheated cores and a lack of cooling functions led to further damage.

Engineers have pumped water into the damaged reactors to cool them down, but leaks have resulted in the pooling of tons of contaminated, radioactive water that has prevented workers from conducting further repairs.

A month after the disaster, more than 145,000 people are still living in shelters. The quake and tsunami are believed to have killed more than 25,000 people, but many of those bodies were swept out to sea and more than half of those feared dead are still listed as missing.


http://newsonjapan.com/html/newsdesk/article/88893.php

[Serpo]

Cesium-137 forecast shows high altitude radiation cloud concentrating over California, western US on April 12 (VIDEO) (3424)
Japan raises Fukushima to Level 7, same as Chernobyl (3026)
Amount of radiation in 3 gallons of milk from Hilo, Hawaii surpasses annual maximum contaminant level set by EPA (1062)
Vancouver, Canada radiation tests show iodine-131 in rainwater at almost 100 times above US drinking water limit (973)
Strawberries, mushrooms with Cesium-137 found in Northern California; 5 of 6 items in food chain sampling test have radioactive particles (799)
RECENT POSTS
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Cesium-137 forecast shows high altitude radiation cloud concentrating over California, western US on April 12 (VIDEO)
Vietnam finds Uranium-238 in sample of pine needles — 4,000 km away from Fukushima
Fukushima Forecast: Massive radiation cloud


http://enenews.com/

[Spectrism]

Cesium-137 forecast shows high altitude radiation cloud concentrating over California, western US on April 12 (VIDEO) (3424)
Japan raises Fukushima to Level 7, same as Chernobyl (3026)
Amount of radiation in 3 gallons of milk from Hilo, Hawaii surpasses annual maximum contaminant level set by EPA (1062)
Vancouver, Canada radiation tests show iodine-131 in rainwater at almost 100 times above US drinking water limit (973)
Strawberries, mushrooms with Cesium-137 found in Northern California; 5 of 6 items in food chain sampling test have radioactive particles (799)
RECENT POSTS
Amount of radiation in 3 gallons of milk from Hilo, Hawaii surpasses annual maximum contaminant level set by EPA
Japan raises Fukushima to Level 7, same as Chernobyl
Japan gov’t now considering raising Fukushima’s nuclear crisis level to “most severe”
Cesium-137 forecast shows high altitude radiation cloud concentrating over California, western US on April 12 (VIDEO)
Vietnam finds Uranium-238 in sample of pine needles — 4,000 km away from Fukushima
Fukushima Forecast: Massive radiation cloud


http://enenews.com/


If they want to compare this to Chernobyl, they should raise it to 700. This mess is the end of fish for the Pacific and eventually everywhere. It is the destruction of farming in north america. When they start detecting Cesium & Plutonium in milk and crops to a significant level, we are toast... that is ... after Japan's funeral pires.

[sirgonzo420]

I'm reading 17 CPM (or 0.017 mr/h or 0.17 uSv/h) here (inside the house) in Kentucky.




Check this rain video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM0sgvyjvF0&feature=channel_video_title





Video has been removed by the user.

[keehah]

If they want to compare this to Chernobyl, they should raise it to 700. This mess is the end of fish for the Pacific and eventually everywhere. It is the destruction of farming in north america. When they start detecting Cesium & Plutonium in milk and crops to a significant level, we are toast... that is ... after Japan's funeral pires.

Less healthy fish, more radioactive toxic fish, for hundreds of years. Not the end of commercial fishing, the vast majority of the public near anywhere is ignorant of long term hazards or unable to sacrifice consumption today for it. Less healthy people, more cancer for hundreds of years.

This band manager on the Haida Gwaii cares for his community!

QCI Observer: No-drink order in Old Massett, following radiation increase (http://www.qciobserver.com/Article.aspx?Id=4908)
April 8, 2011

Old Massett has issued a no-drink order for rainwater after levels of iodine 131, an indicator of radioactivity, were found to be rising. But a provincial health official says there is no cause for concern, and that amounts found in Old Massett are miniscule, far less than one millionth of the amount shown to cause thyroid disease. Acting band manager John Disney wasn't satisfied with the monitoring underway since the problems began at the nuclear plant in Fukushima, Japan, so he set up a regime - two tests a week of rainwater, stream water and groundwater. Seeing levels of iodine 131 in rainwater rise steeply (from unmeasurable to 1.1 becquerels per litre) between March 24 and April 1, he has since ramped up the testing to once a day. Mr. Disney said the level determined as dangerous is 6, but because the tests are a few days behind, he is worried about continuing increases at that rate.

...As of April 5, the most recent results he'd received were from April 1. Mr. Disney was expecting more back later that day. He said his suspicisions around adequate government testing started 25 years ago, after the nuclear meltdown in Chernobyl, Ukraine. He'd been out on his fishing boat and heard the Coast Guard over the radio telling lighthouse operators to disconnect their rainwater systems. When he tried to find out why, the local, provincial and federal health authorities told him not to worry, the coast guard were just being overcautious. He asked whether they were testing and was assured they were. But he decided to do his own investigation and took samples from his Nadu Road rain catchment system to a private lab. They found two types of radiation were at the danger level. He drained his 4,000 gallon tank. Fast forward to two weeks ago, post-tsunami in Japan, he said, when he was told not to worry about potential radiation in the rainwater here. "My hair stood straight up," he said. As the band manager, he realized he was responsible for the community, so he went to the Health Centre and got a regime going. A private lab in Saskatchewan is doing the tests, which he says can be turned around in 48 hours. He also set the Emergency Preparedness committee in motion to come up with a plan. Mr. Disney says the first place radiation will show up is in the rainwater. "What's the plan to tell the community," Mr. Disney asked the Emergency Preparedness volunteers. Then, he asked, what if it gets in the groundwater? What if people can no longer drink water out of the tap? Mr. Disney said the north end has three reservoirs, in Old Massett, in New Town and in Masset. He suggested they find a way to isolate the tanks, and then water could be rationed for drinking and cooking. "At the end of the day, the community's health is at stake."

Further down the coast:

http://enenews.com/recent-radioactivy-testing-vancouver-canada-shows-iodine-131-rainwater-almost-100-times-above-drinking-water-limit

The rainwater tested was collected at SFU’s campus on Burnaby Mountain and in downtown Vancouver...

Here are the results from the tests (measured in decays of iodine-131 per second per litre of rainwater – Bq/l):

* March 18: 0 (2) Bq/l
* March 19: 9 (2) Bq/l
* March 20: 12 (2) Bq/l
* March 25: 11 (2) Bq/l

...11 Bq/L is equal to 297.3 picocuries per liter. (Conversion calculator here (http://www.radprocalculator.com/Conversion.aspx))

The federal drinking water standard for Iodine-131 is 3 pCi/L.

The tapwater in my area is groundwater, gives me more time with less radiation to drink before filtering.

[Horn]

Video has been removed by the user.

Some believe its a glitch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBcXIEYq9vg

[Horn]

Very Informative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_5qnuudzCA&feature=related

[beefsteak]

Horn,
glitch, eh? uh.huh. :oo--> Funny how those YouTube glitches keep happenin', eh?

Here's a photo I found of the "Fire @ #4" near the reactor...I KNEW we could see inside better than we are being shown. So the roof blew off the "battery sheds too..." now why is that?

http://img.47news.jp/PN/201104/PN2011041201000246.-.-.CI0003.jpg

beefsteak

[Horn]

This thing is uglier than anyone could have imagined.

And there isn't that stiff offshore wind today.

http://icons-ecast.wxug.com/data/640x480/2xi_jp_ws.gif

[Neuro]

Horn,
glitch, eh? uh.huh. :oo--> Funny how those YouTube glitches keep happenin', eh?

Here's a photo I found of the "Fire @ #4" near the reactor...I KNEW we could see inside better than we are being shown. So the roof blew off the "battery sheds too..." now why is that?

http://img.47news.jp/PN/201104/PN2011041201000246.-.-.CI0003.jpg

beefsteak
Is that rounded red hot thing, the reactor?

[beefsteak]

Keehah,

THANK YOU for your post. I've been poking around for 31 days, probably like everyone else on here, trying to find a decent and intuitively usable Radiation Conversion chart. There I spied it in your post!

The neat thing about Win7 is, (and possibly XPro too, I don't remember frankly) is that one can click:
FILE
Save Page As
Make a new folder on ones hard-drive and Name folder anything you want
Click Save
and voila
forever stash a WORKING COPY of this Rad Converter you posted for use at individual convenience.

(Conversion calculator here (http://www.radprocalculator.com/Conversion.aspx))

How invaluable. It has been vexing to say the least to have different "officials/experts/TEPCO" talking heads add to the FUDOLM by mixing their un-defined terms to keep the laity off the mark and confused.

You did real well, finding and posting that, Keehah. THANKS AGAIN!

ALSO, Thanks for that Old Massett info. I had to Google that to learn where that is, being a non-Canadian and all. :oo--> :D

Here's what I learned in case there are other non-Canadians on this thread...


Welcome to the
VILLAGE OF MASSET

Masset, northern gateway to Naikoon Park, western Mile 0 of Highway 16 is located at the northern end of Graham Island - the largest of the more than 150 islands that comprise the Queen Charlotte Islands or Haida Gwaii as affectionately called by locals.

The Village of Masset is a small fishing village in British Columbia. Famous celebrities and people from all over the world visit to enjoy the island for its pristine beauty. Masset is also known for its hiking trails and birdwatching. World renowned Haida artists also hail from Masset and Old Massett.

Masset is one of the three incorporated villages on the islands and has the largest population of approximately 1,000. Incorporated in 1961, the Village of Masset is the oldest and largest of the islands municipalities.

We hope you will come to visit our community and that you return time and time again because the Queen Charlotte Islands/Haida Gwaii have a distinct beauty unto themselves.

[beefsteak]

Horn,
glitch, eh? uh.huh. :oo--> Funny how those YouTube glitches keep happenin', eh?

Here's a photo I found of the "Fire @ #4" near the reactor...I KNEW we could see inside better than we are being shown. So the roof blew off the "battery sheds too..." now why is that?

http://img.47news.jp/PN/201104/PN2011041201000246.-.-.CI0003.jpg

beefsteak
Is that rounded red hot thing, the reactor?


No, I don't think so, Neuro...I believe that is what the Reuters Wire Svc called a "battery storage shed" in the Reuters stuff I posted way early this AM.

Still too close for my comfort.

After studying the Zircaloy Pyrophoricity pdf also posted link earlier, I am convinced the fires reported in Fukushima site shortly after the tsunami hit on March 11 WERE INSIDE the "containment" 1,2,3,and possibly 4.

I'm pretty convinced with keyhole satellite technology being what it is, those puppies were re-routed to and intently peered into continuously by US Military since March 11. WE may not live long enough to see THOSE photos. Nor any of the millions of other snapshots taken by the "drones" currently employed.

Whattaworld......

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

This thing is uglier than anyone could have imagined.


And to think we are more informed than the poor folks living at ground zero in those gyms and wherever else they've found shelter, makes me wince! This is uglier than imagined but getting closer to the "sum of all fears" than I ever thought I'd live to see.

When I was a child, our denomination had missionaries in both China and Africa. And I remember saying my prayers at bedtime and asking God to "bless all the Chinese and all the Africans, after a litany of relatives and pets and parents, of course." Last night I reflected on that as I once again said my bedtime prayers asking God to "bless all the Japanese...." in more grown-up terms, of course.

The more things change, the more they stay the same...in some areas of our lives at any rate.

beefsteak

[crazychicken]

I see it more as GOD HELP US ALL!

CC

[beefsteak]

And then KYODO news goes and posts Edano mugging for photogs eating a Japanese Tomato. TODAY!!

How does ANYONE know it is a Japanese Tomato? Does it have a Made in Japan label on the stem, or maybe adhering to the skin somewhere?



http://english.kyodonews.jp/photos/assets/201104/0412049-thumbx300.jpg

[DMac]

I see it more as GOD HELP US ALL!

CC


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW5Ha1cLApw

[beefsteak]

Iteration edit: Rad Conversion link and Win7 Hard Disk Drive "save" how to here in one post:

THANK YOU, Keehah, for your post. I've been poking around for 31 days, probably like everyone else on here, trying to find a decent and intuitively usable Radiation Conversion chart. There I spied it in your post!

The neat thing about Win7 is, (and possibly XPro too, I don't remember frankly) is that one can click:
FILE
Save Page As
Make a new folder on ones hard-drive and Name folder anything you want
Click Save
and voila
forever stash a WORKING COPY of this Rad Converter you posted for use at individual convenience.

(Conversion calculator here (http://www.radprocalculator.com/Conversion.aspx))

How invaluable. It has been vexing to say the least to have different "officials/experts/TEPCO" talking heads add to the FUDOLM by mixing their un-defined terms to keep the laity off the mark and confused.

You did real well, finding and posting that, Keehah. THANKS AGAIN!

[beefsteak]

ENEnews reports:

Japan ups Fukushima nuke crisis severity to 7, same as Chernobyl, Kyodo, April 12, 2011:

… The plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. offered an apology to the public for being still unable to stop the radiation leakage, pointing to the possibility that the total emission of radioactive substances could eventually surpass that of the Chernobyl incident. …

”Even though some amount of radiation keeps leaking from reactors and their containment vessels, they are not totally destroyed and are functioning,” [Hidehiko Nishiyama, a spokesman for Japan's nuclear agency] said...…

Well, NOW we know why they are leaking SO MUCH radiation. It appears they have NOT put the CONTROL RODS BACK IN.

FUNCTIONING? Anyone else having a problem with that implication....

Heads need to roll, and then the sand and concrete need to POUR!!!

WHAT ON EARTH? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Obviously, TEPCO is still about "making money!" BEYOND disgusting.
It's CRIMINAL!

[SLV^GLD]

Just landed in San Diego. Got my dose of high altitude cesium 137 now I'm looking for my organically dissolved iodine 131.

[Serpo]

Sign Over Main Street Of Nuclear Ghost Town In Fukushima Prefecture
The Sign Reads...
"Nuclear Energy: Our Home Town's Future"

VID
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/04/11/dnt.lah.japan.radiation.city.cnn?hpt%3DT1

[gunDriller]

Radiation getting into the ocean vs Chernobyl which was inside a huge landmass is akin to getting an infection right into one`s bloodstream vs a skin abscess. Chernobyl was a horror but it was a localized event, this thing will be our planet`s blood poisoning.


that and the BP Oil Disaster, still ongoing but generally forgotten about ... except by the millions of people who live in East Florida, Southern Alabama, etc.

[Serpo]

Fukushima Introduces Deadly Strontium Into Environment

\
Kurt Nimmo
\
April 12, 2011

Japan has admitted the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster is on par with the one at Chernobyl. At the same time, Japan’s science and technology ministry reports strontium, a heavy radioactive metal that is a catalyst for leukemia, has been detected around the crippled reactors. In addition to leukemia, strontium causes cancers of the bone, nose, lung, and skin.

See 20 years after Chernobyl: The ongoing health effects.

Other deadly radioactive elements released included iodine, cesium and plutonium. The alpha emitter plutonium is especially deadly. Plutonium 239 has a high half-life of around 24,000 years. Plutonium transforms into americium and enters the water table. It can contaminate a water supply for centuries. The half life of americium is 433 years.

Cesium has a tendency for adhesion to particulates in soil and sediment, making it less mobile than strontium.

Like calcium, strontium enters the human body through plant and animal products and is mainly deposited in teeth and bones. New blood is formed in the bone marrow. Leukemia is a cancer of the blood.

Strontium is much more mobile and soluble in water than cesium. Following the Chernobyl nuclear accident, strontium was detected in the ground. Experts believe that 80 percent of the strontium released by the stricken Chernobyl reactor entered the food cycle.

The corporate media is basically ignoring the news that strontium is now being introduced into the environment. This is part of a larger pattern by the media to play down what will certainly be the worst nuclear disaster in history.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQKNe9mgFw0&feature=player_embedded
http://www.infowars.com/fukushima-introduces-deadly-strontium-into-environment/

[Serpo]

Massive amount of helpful information here..........

I liked it so much its now on my signature

http://www.natural-health-home-remedies.com/radiation.html

[Serpo]

Dramatic new VID of tsunami and people making hasty escape towards the end.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vZR0Rq1Rfw&feature=player_embedded

[crazychicken]

Thank you to each and every contributor to this thread.

Did I mention THANK YOU!

But by the GRACE of GOD Go I!

GOD HELP US ALL!

CC

[Serpo]

GOD HELP US ALL!

CC


About sums it up

[Serpo]

Goes for an hour


Japan disasters are tectonic nuclear warfare


Independent scientist Leuren Moret, whose 2004 landmark article in the Japan Times unmasked lies and distortions by government and company officials that led to the construction of nuclear power plants in seismically dangerous areas, has declared in an exclusive 65-minute video interview with Alfred Lambremont Webre that the "Japan earthquake and "accidents" at the Fukushima's 6 nuclear power plant units starting March 11, 2011 are in fact deliberate acts of tectonic nuclear warfare, carried out against the populations ecology of Japan and the nations of the Northern Hemisphere, including the U.S., Canada, and Mexico.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WxmeOqYtB0&feature=player_embedded#at=59

[Serpo]

Tsunami-hit towns forgot warnings from ancestors

Modern sea walls failed to protect coastal towns from Japan’s destructive tsunami last month. But in the hamlet of Aneyoshi, a single centuries-old tablet saved the day.

“High dwellings are the peace and harmony of our descendants,’’ the stone slab reads. “Remember the calamity of the great tsunamis. Do not build any homes below this point.’’

It was advice the dozen or so households of Aneyoshi heeded, and their homes emerged unscathed from a disaster that flattened low-lying communities elsewhere and killed thousands along Japan’s northeastern shore.

Hundreds of such markers dot the coastline, some more than 600 years old. Collectively they form a crude warning system for Japan, whose long coasts along major fault lines have made it a repeated target of earthquakes and tsunamis over the centuries.

http://articles.boston.com/2011-04-06/news/29389325_1_tsunami-sea-walls-leak-of-radioactive-water

[beefsteak]

The FUDOLM continues:



Workers continue to remove toxic water, cool spent nuke fuel pools


TOKYO, April 13, KYODO NEWS

Workers at the crisis-hit Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant continued Wednesday to remove highly radioactive water in the plant and cool a spent nuclear fuel pool, as part of efforts to put an end to the ongoing emergency, which is now acknowledged as one of the world's worst nuclear disasters.

A magnitude 5.8 quake that hit areas near the power station Wednesday morning did not obstruct recovery efforts or cause any abnormalities at the plant, the government's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said.

The plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. kept pumping out highly polluted water from an underground tunnel-like trench to a nearby storage area inside the No. 2 reactor's building.

The work began Tuesday evening and an estimated 200 tons of tainted water was moved to a ''condenser,'' where in normal operations steam from the reactor is converted into water, by 7:30 a.m. The utility known as TEPCO aims to transfer a total of 700 tons of polluted water by Thursday.

Eventually, the operator plans to remove a total of some 60,000 tons of contaminated water, found in the basements of the Nos. 1 to 3 reactor turbine buildings as well as the trenches connected to them, and to store it in nearby tanks and other areas.

Hidehiko Nishiyama, a spokesman for the government's nuclear regulatory body, said that as a result of the operation, the levels of highly radioactive water that had been filling up the trench and the basement of the No. 2 reactor's turbine building was lowered by 4 to 5 centimeters by 7 a.m. Wednesday.

The toxic water is believed to originate from the No. 2 reactor's core, where fuel rods have partially melted. The water, which has also affected other parts of the plant, is hampering efforts to restore the reactors' key cooling functions, lost in the March 11 earthquake and tsunami.

Nishiyama also said TEPCO sprayed some 195 tons of fresh water into a spent nuclear fuel pool at the No. 4 reactor's building through the night, after finding from a sample taken Tuesday from the facility that the temperature of the water was 90 C, much higher than the usual 20-30 C.

TEPCO has been unable to monitor the temperature of the pool water regularly as measuring equipment is not working. The No. 4 reactor, halted for a regular inspection before the quake, had all of its fuel rods stored in the pool for the maintenance work.

The injection of coolant water in the pool is needed to prevent damage to spent fuel rods from overheating. The water level in the facility has also been lowered following recent strong aftershocks that jolted the plant, TEPCO said.

Nishiyama said TEPCO also found that the radiation level in the air some 6 meters above the pool reached 84 millisieverts per hour before the water-spraying operation. The 400-milliliter water sample will be examined at the adjacent Fukushima Daini plant Wednesday to check to what extent the spent nuclear fuel stored there is damaged.

The spokesman also said the utility aims to finish installing seven steel sheets near a seawater intake for the No. 2 reactor later in the day and set up ''silt fence'' curtain barriers near intakes for the Nos. 3-4 reactors at the six-reactor plant to block the spread of radioactive substances in polluted water.

He added that a seawater sample taken Monday 15 kilometers away from the city of Minamisoma, Fukushima Prefecture, near the plant showed a radioactive iodine-131 concentration of about 23 times the maximum level permitted under law, but that it does not pose any health risks.

Massive amounts of water have been poured into the reactors and their spent nuclear fuel pools as a stopgap measure to cool them down. But pools of contaminated water have been detected in various parts of the nuclear complex on the Pacific coast, with some water leaking into the sea, as an apparent side effect of the emergency measure.

TEPCO successfully stopped the leak of highly radioactive water from a cracked pit on April 6.

==Kyodo

They really ARE trying their best to put those horrific exposed 1-3 reactors back on line!

Lemme see...they gauges don't work, it's too hot to get close to them, but by yimmny, we're cooling spent fuel pools...because TEPCO said so publicly...opps, just spilled s'more into the ocean. We're truly sorry...

[Antonio]

This is shaping up to become the BIGGEST LIE of our time, bigger than 911. I bet things are so unprecedently bad that human mind cannot be wrapped around it and starts to split into multiple personalities.

Supposedly 100 CPM = 1 micro SV /hr, I still can`t get used to all this sievert crap. In that video of 2 guys driving thru Fukushima,within 1.5 kilometers from the plant they register about 112 microSV/hr, this translates into 12000 CPM, my Radalert goes up to only 19999 CPM, normal background is 10-20 CPM.

Anyone who really understands the sievert/cpm conversion please correct me if I`m wrong.

[sirgonzo420]

This is shaping up to become the BIGGEST LIE of our time, bigger than 911. I bet things are so unprecedently bad that human mind cannot be wrapped around it and starts to split into multiple personalities.

Supposedly 100 CPM = 1 micro SV /hr, I still can`t get used to all this sievert crap. In that video of 2 guys driving thru Fukushima,within 1.5 kilometers from the plant they register about 112 microSV/hr, this translates into 12000 CPM, my Radalert goes up to only 19999 CPM, normal background is 10-20 CPM.

Anyone who really understands the sievert/cpm conversion please correct me if I`m wrong.


I think you got it.

100 CPM = 0.1 mr/h = 1.0 μSv/h

100 CPM = 1 microSievert (1.0 μSv/h) = 0.001 milliSievert (0.001 mSv) = 0.000001 Sievert (0.000001 Sv)

[Serpo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbje3ub5Dio

[beefsteak]

Wow, that Arnie G video you just posted kind of wiped the lipstick off the pig, yes? (shudder)

Good find, Serpo! THANKS!

To summarize:
--Arnie and other industry people knew it was "Chernobyl on steriods" 3.5 weeks ago.
---They may have restored power in Unit 4, but the fuel pools are not "being cooled."
-----There's a big crack in the containment building of Unit 4.
--------If the Unit 4 roods WERE currently being cooled, the water would be coming out of the building crack.

Nothing like straight talk and common sense. And from an industry insider no less.

[Serpo]

This guy is not quite as stable, haha ,but he is living close to Tokyo, and says background radiation is normal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D21fsi1V7FE&feature=youtu.be

[keehah]

Looks like Fulford is in denial. Background radiation in North America is not even normal.

Oh well, he'll just have to cut another growth out if it comes to it.

[beefsteak]

Just learned that Keepvid.com (http://Keepvid.com) is able to "convert" Gunderson's VIMEO segments to .mp4 for saving on HDD.

beefsteak

[Large Sarge]

This is shaping up to become the BIGGEST LIE of our time, bigger than 911. I bet things are so unprecedently bad that human mind cannot be wrapped around it and starts to split into multiple personalities.



yes I agree

I remember hearing/reading that Obama's secret nick name was "the gravedigger" or something close to that

if you look at a map, S.E. asia is one of the most densely populated areas on the planet

this could kill 100's of millions pretty easily

[Large Sarge]

Nuclear Survival tips

(Applicable disclaimer: Not a nuclear expert, nor a nuclear engineer, to all material below, and this list is by no means complete, this is “quick and dirty” as they might say)

Just some of my own thought, ideas, etc after researching and thinking on this.



hope everyone on my list stays safe and healthy, I think you all need to plan on 2 years of being on your own, knowing how our govt works.

What to do now.



1. Begin stocking up on canned goods (soups, stews, fruits and veggies), everything canned that is available today is clean. (I give that about a month more, tops, until that supply is suspect)The more the better. (you can fill a large grocery cart with canned goods for $150.00, sell some silver if you have to) look at Aldi’s, Costco, Sam’s, etc

2. Dry, powdered, condensed or evaporated milk, Milk becomes a critical issue during nuclear emergencies. Most of the powdered milk I have seen has at least 2 year shelf life, depending on how many people you have to feed, You might think of an 18+ month supply. Calcium sources are hard to find during a nuclear emergency

3. Watch your family dog closely, for some reason Dogs and pigs are more sensitive to radiation than humans, especially if Fido spends a lot of time outdoors, he can let you know when things are getting serious (see symptoms of radiation sickness below)

4. Avoid/ stop eating all fresh dairy products now (milk, cheese, yogurts, eggs)

5. Avoid/ stop eating all produce unless you can verify it was grown south of the equator or in a controlled greenhouse, with clean water source (tough to do, hydroponic tomatoes w/ well water are an example)

6. Try to eat lower on the food chain (plants, fruits, veggies, etc), radiation is accumulated, so that 1 lb of beef might have taken 5 lbs of corn to raise it. So the 1 lb of beef has 5 times the radiation as the corn does. Again look for controlled sources to eat from (greenhouse, canned foods, etc)

7. Stay out of the rain, this is a “no-brainer”, most radiation comes down in the rain.

8. look into owning/buying a geiger counter, this event even if it stopped tomorrow, will impact the planet for years to come, a geiger counter gives you peace of mind





Radioactive Isotopes, half life and systems effected, remember half life refers to a 50% reduction in nuclear activity.



1. Iodine 131 half life 8 days , Beta and Gamma radiation, commonly found in milk, Thyroid is commonly effected (especially children). May lead to cancer, will limit physical and mental growth. (this agent is already widespread throughout the U.S./ Northern hemisphere)

2. Strontium 89, half life 52 days (so far only found in Japan, in the milk/powdered milk) Beta and Gamma radiation. This one is known to cause blood and bone disorder (usually fatal leukemia)

3. Calcium 45, Half life 164 days Emits beta radiation, obviously attaches to bones, risk of leukemia (after a brief scan, I find no mention of this element yet being present anywhere)

4. Cesium 137, half life 33 years emits beta and gamma radiation usually concentrates in the muscles, liver and spleen, causes genetic damage. (this has been found)Plutonium 239, half life 24,000 years Plutonium is more toxic than other radioactive substances such as iodine and cesium and plutonium emits alpha radiation and low-energy x-rays which are easily absorbed by human tissue. Human exposure occurs mainly by breathing contaminated air or ingesting contaminated food or water. Breathing is generally the route of most concern, experts said.When plutonium particles are inhaled and lodge in lung tissue they continue to give off radiation internally and can remain in the lungs or enter the gastrointestinal tract and the bloodstream.Roughly 80 percent of the plutonium that enters the bloodstream goes either to the liver, bone or bone marrow, where it is retained for years, damaging tissue nearby, that may result in cancer, said the experts. (this has been found in the soil around the Japanese plant)

Uranium 234, (the following sequence shows the breakdown of uranium 234, uranium 234 becomes thorium 230, etc)). This has been found in Hawaii, S. California, Seattle

See youtube video below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdjlAzvlKI4&feature=related

effect the bones, blood, cause cancer.

Uranium 234 half-life: 245,000 years)
alpha decay
Thorium-230 ==>
(half-life: 75,400 years)
alpha decay
Radium-226 ==>
(half-life: 1,600 years)
alpha decay

Radon-222 ==>
(half-life: 3.82 days)
alpha decay
Polonium-218 ==>
(half-life: 3.11 minutes)
alpha decay
Lead-214 ==>
(half-life: 26.8 minutes)
beta decay

Bismuth-214 ==>
(half-life: 19.9 minutes)
beta decay
Polonium-214 ==>
(half-life: 163 microseconds)
alpha decay
Lead-210 ==>
(half-life: 22.3 years)
beta decay

Bismuth-210 ==>
(half-life: 5.01 days)
beta decay
Polonium-210 ==>
(half-life: 138 days)
alpha decay
Lead-206
(stable)






I want to add a few things, I do not think this is the end of the world, it is very very serious, and as usual people are not getting any real or reliable info from traditional sources. Man is very clever and innovative, and will overcome this obstacle, but it will take time to do that (my guess is 2 years for widespread new technology and farming, testing of food, etc). in the meantime for the next 2 years, you are essentially “on your own”. So stock up now, eat low on the food chain from controlled sources, watch your water sources, avoid fresh dairy, etc .



The damage has been done already, and it is ongoing, traditionally the soil is usually only contaminated a few inches deep, but until this radiation release stops, no one can remove any soil, as it will just get re-contaminated again after the next rain and all agriculture must be suspect.



Symptoms of radiation sickness

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/radiation-sickness/DS00432/DSECTION=symptoms

[gunDriller]

Looks like Fulford is in denial. Background radiation in North America is not even normal.

Oh well, he'll just have to cut another growth out if it comes to it.


like in the movie, "The Fly",

The Fly (1986)
"Seth Brundle: My teeth have begun to fall out. The medicine cabinet is now the Brundle Museum of Natural History. You wanna see what else is in it?"

remember the Seth Brundle Memorial Body Parts Medicine Cabinet ?


i would think the prospect of micrograms of plutonium entering the atmosphere over North America would of enormous concern ... same for radioactive cesium, etc. it's as if the mainstream news has a news blackout on the subject.

i've been focussed on laying in a year's supply of food and i'm beginning to wonder if it's appropriate to lay in a 5 year supply.

personally, i'm not too interested in buying canned food that was made during the second half of 2011. i think we have a window of opportunity before canned foods become contaminated along with milk and fresh produce.

one of the paradoxes of this situation is that yogurt and milk are primary natural sources of Potassium Iodide for protection from radioactive iodine, BUT milk products are one of the first to pick up the radiation ... because the cows are out there eating grass and/or feed that is getting more and more radioactive.

so that would mean it's also a good idea to lay in a supply of yogurt etc. before that gets contaminated.

the 2 main dairy products that i can find that keep well in storage are evaporated milk and Parmesan cheese (1 pound jar for about $2.75)

[Antonio]

http://gatewaytoheaven.ning.com/video/video/show?id=3151142%3AVideo%3A46435

Ground is Swaying in Japan - Liquification - About to Go Under! April 12, 2011

watch this unreal vid!

[beefsteak]

from: crazychicken on Yesterday at 11:54:06 AM
I see it more as GOD HELP US ALL!

CC

Indulge me guys, I had to fix some karma left from posting that nasty French Nuke Cooling tower photo...

"become as little children..."

http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/beefsteak_GIM/Exceptwebecomeaslittlechildren.jpg

[beefsteak]

Ystdy, one of the 11 people swept out to sea, a young man, from the Tsunami hit Crescent City Cali, was found 330 miles north on the Oregon Coast, near the mouth of the Columbia river.

He waited until after the projected time the Tsunami was "supposed to hit land" there before going to the beach to see what he could see, acc'd to the Grants Pass Oregon news article posted on YouTube by the lady above in Large Sarge's video maker (Mary Greeley).

http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/beefsteak_GIM/Bodyfound412OregonCoast.jpg

Heartbreak in microcosm.

beefsteak

[Book]

7. Stay out of the rain, this is a “no-brainer”, most radiation comes down in the rain.



http://famousmonstersoffilmland.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/toxic-avenger.jpg

But its April !

[beefsteak]

Interesting article on financial impact of Fuku. Has anyone on here had their "job" affected negatively by J.I.T. production problems or sourcing difficulties from Japan?



Production, Supply Chain Disruptions
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 04/13/2011 21:23 -0400

* Toyota

Even though US companies have yet to step up and indicate just how badly they have been affected by the Japanese quake (which could take a while: one of the benefits of massive inventory stockpiling), Japan is not that lucky.

According to a Reuters poll the March 11 catastrophe has negatively affected nearly 60 percent of Japanese companies, disrupting production and supply chains.

"The special survey of 400 large firms was taken between March 25 and April 11 in tandem with the monthly Reuters Tankan, a poll of corporate sentiment...

While Japanese companies are likely to be squeezed by production disruptions in northern Japan, as well as power shortages and supply woes, they may not feel the same pain as after the collapse of Lehman Brothers, when lending markets froze. "The impact of this earthquake will not be on the same scale as the Lehman crisis," said Soichiro Monji, chief strategist at Daiwa SB Investments, a Japanese asset management firm." Considering money markets froze up, stock plunged 40% and the world virtually ended in the months following Lehman, that's probably good news.

As for the bad news: "Nearly 70 percent of respondents said difficulty in acquiring materials or parts was the single biggest problem in righting their businesses, a sign that supply chains remained hampered." And considering the bulk of Japanese production is export oriented, it is only a matter of time before these disruptions spread globally.

...there's more...

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/reuters-poll-indicates-60-japanese-companies-impacted-production-supply-chain-disruptions

[beefsteak]

FINALLY,
photobucket is working again...

Here's the "BASELINE" radiationnetwork.com USA readings screen captured 3/13, 2 days after Fuku blew.

http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/beefsteak_GIM/RadiationMap314-824AMpost17sailorsirradiated.jpg

Acc'd to the guy running this laity / home geiger counter network site, changes are to be observed over several days before "concluding that a new level CPM reading is significant"....

http://radiationnetwork.com/

Thanks for your patience guys This photobucket deal has been a problematic online storage site for the last few days in particular.

[beefsteak]

Zero Hedge reports more indepth on Exposed Spent Fuel Pool in Building 4 NOT GOOD!



TEPCO Confirms Reactor 4 Spent Fuel Pool Is Now An Uncontrolled, Open Air Fission Process

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 04/13/2011 19:25 -0400

It had been a while since we had a factual update (as opposed to just lies and spin) from Fukushima.

Courtesy of KYODO, we now know that what was speculated by some as true, and rebutted by most as mere scaremongering, is in fact, fact. "Some of the spent nuclear fuel rods stored in the No. 4 reactor building of the crisis-hit Fukushima Daiichi power plant were confirmed to be damaged, but most of them are believed to be in sound condition, plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Wednesday."

Naturally, in one month we will learn that most of them are damaged, and in two months, that each and every one has been demolished.

"The firm known as TEPCO said its analysis of a 400-milliliter water sample taken Tuesday from the No. 4 unit's spent nuclear fuel pool revealed the damage to some fuel rods in such a pool for the first time, as it detected higher-than-usual levels of
radioactive iodine-131,
cesium-134 and
cesium-137."

These confirm an ongoing fission reaction.

In a tremendously ironic development, the No. 4 reactor, halted for a regular inspection before last month's earthquake and tsunami disaster, had all of its 1,331 spent fuel rods and 204 unused fuel rods stored in the pool for the maintenance work.

Unfortunately, the entire pool ended up being damaged following the quake and the subsequent explosion, in essence nullifying any protection that the containment dome would have provided.

As the picture from the Asahi Shimbun below shows, the damage from overhanging structures which have subsequently fallen into the fuel pool likely means that there could well be an uncontrolled, if weak, fission reaction currently going on in the reactor 4 SFP (where the water temperature is currently 90 degrees) unprotected by the elements due to the complete destruction of the Reactor 4 shell.

(picture via of saposjoint)

More from KYODO:

The cooling period for 548 of the 1,331 rods was shorter than that for others and the volume of decay heat emitted from the fuel in the No. 4 unit pool is larger compared with pools at other reactor buildings.

According to TEPCO,
radioactive iodine-131 amounting to 220 becquerels per cubic centimeter,
cesium-134 of 88 becquerels and
cesium-137 of 93 becquerels were detected in the pool water.

(Conversion calculator here (http://www.radprocalculator.com/Conversion.aspx))

Those substances are generated by nuclear fission.

The government's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said the confirmed radioactive materials were up to 100,000 times higher than normal but that the higher readings may have also been caused by the pouring of rainwater containing much radioactivity or particles of radiation-emitting rubble in the pool.

The roof and the upper walls of the No. 4 reactor building have been blown away by a hydrogen explosion and damaged by fires since the disaster struck the plant. The water level in the spent fuel pool is believed to have temporarily dropped.

In the meantime the latest drywell readiation reading in Reactor 1 is still "out of commission"

(Source: METI)

And lastly, a demonstration [vimeo already posted above on this forum] from Fairewinds' Arnie Gunderson who shows how the Zircalloy uranium pellets mostly likely melted and shattered, possibly penetrating through the floor of reactors 2 and 3.

Again, I ask this forum to consider where the fires are originating from in this constantly externally wetted environ?

Have any of you actually witnessed or tried to extinguish a zircon sourced fire?

I have witnessed one, and it was a small one t'boot. And the person who had to deal with it demonstrated that he couldn't extinguish it. I was someone working who had a jeweler's furnace and showed me what happens when all, clear CZ stones of the 1point size were NOT removed from karat alloyed jewelery before a fluxed, inquarting smelt in a furnace UNDER 2000F. He laughed at my my shocked discomfort over that molten mess spitting real flames inside furnace every time he opened it to check on his progress.

You can't extinguish it by any means he knew of.

Smothering doesn't work.

Adding more boron cover doesn't work.

Only allowing itself to burn itself out "works." It dances, spits molten splatters everywhere, and every other unpleasant manifestation you can conceive of while it is consuming itself.

According to Zircaloy Pyrophoricity PDF provided earlier here on this forum attests to, and I can witness to, Zr can burst into flame as low as 953 FAHRENHEIT.

This one fact alone, is why it was my opinion we aren't getting real overhead "drone images" nor keyhole satelitte images as to what is actually going on in these hulking demolished structures containing these pools.

No, Zr fires don't particularly make smoke, but they are fires, nevertheless, and releasing god knows what into the atmosphere until they are self-extinguished.

Arnie was right. NO water in #4 spent fuel pools. And the "overcrowding" of the rods more densely than pools were designed for has been earlier brought forward on this forum.

[beefsteak]

“People need genuine reassurance,” said Allison (Wade Allison, a physics professor at Oxford University and author of “Radiation and Reason.”) “They should note that no harmful effects including cancer have been confirmed for doses below 100 milliSieverts.”


So, a piece of cheese that gives 10000 CPM which is equal to 100 milliSieverts is ok to eat? Background is 10-20 CPM.
Do you see just how insane these people are? Do you want to sit next to 10000 CPM, let alone eat it?

PS.Doses are not measured in sieverts or CPM, they are measured in rads or rems.


Thank you, Antonio. I did not know that there a "standard" for doses. Any more information on what "dose" lingo is appropriate for what food item? Air Item. Soil Item?

Seems like we could all use a "baseline radiation is:....................." type chart.

Keehah, can you help out with this one now that Antonio has helped crystalize our thinking in this dose arena?

beefsteak

[Serpo]

This is shaping up to become the BIGGEST LIE of our time, bigger than 911. I bet things are so unprecedently bad that human mind cannot be wrapped around it and starts to split into multiple personalities.



yes I agree

I remember hearing/reading that Obama's secret nick name was "the gravedigger" or something close to that

if you look at a map, S.E. asia is one of the most densely populated areas on the planet

this could kill 100's of millions pretty easily




But I love SE Asia

Compare these clouds to the HAARP wave clouds over Japan video released March 12th, 2011, the day after the Japan Earthquake, and the video at the bottom which claims to show HAARP in action and the creation of these same "wave clouds".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH28FXLc5Us&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KNZ1zGewf30

[Serpo]

So many reactors and things changing all the time and then there is TEPCO which dosnt really give a person confidence.

TOTAL CLUSTERfuck

45 MIN vid..........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DuRELrpytWI#at=149

[Serpo]

Possible Cabin Air Contamination with Cesium-137
Passengers and Crew: Possible Cabin Air Contamination with Cesium-137

Thursday, 14 April 2011 10:17
ALERT to Airline Passengers, Airmen and Crew

Most Commercial Aircraft are designed with a BLEED VALVE system that can potentially contaminate Cabin Air with airborne toxins including radioactive particles.

Cesium-137 is of most concern since the half-life of toxicity is very long. Breathing these particles can place ionizing radiation in intimate contact with human tissue, presenting a significant risk to human health

Disturbingly, the Media has been notoriously late in health advisories and warnings in the Japan Quake and Nuclear fall-out from the disaster.

The reluctance of the FAA to Ground flights is understandable (but unforgiveable) since everything connected to commercial air transport would suffer enormous economic consequences.

A report from the EURAD Cesium models shows a disturbing level of Cesium-137 at 3 levels: Ground level, 2,500 meters and 5,000 meters. The concentration of contamination appears to rise as the altitude increases toward the flight level of most commercial aircraft.

Dutch Since presents the date for Cesium at all 3 levels on the video below.

The 2nd video demonstrates how ANY TOXIN or radioactive particle can enter through the engine intake and pass into the BLEED VALVE system to pressurize and replenish cabin air.

If you decide to fly, consider purchaing a filter mask to protect your lungs. Drug stores (Walgreens/CVS etc carry a high grade, disposable filter mask designed for protection against the flu virus.

Call the airlines and ask if they are monitoring cabin air for airborne radiation and how you can get a report from the cabin air on your flight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvMOvMK_jQA&feature=player_embedded


Although this video is concerned with "Aerotoxic Syndrome -- it is easy to see how Any Toxin can be pumped into the Cabin Air system as it travels through the engine intake and the un-filtered, Bleed Valve

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rJdnICwPOlc


http://beforeitsnews.com/story/559/062/Alert_to_Airline_Passengers_and_Crew:_Possible_Cab in_Air_Contamination_with_Cesium-137.html

[Antonio]

Serpo, I just saw the clusterfuck video. When I think that there is a possibility that this suffering was another inside job, I`m at a loss for words. But then, WW2 took 55 million lives and it was an inside job like all the wars.
We need to start hanging lots of "people" ASAP because these creatures have other things planned for us which may surpass anything we`ve seen so far.

[Antonio]

“People need genuine reassurance,” said Allison (Wade Allison, a physics professor at Oxford University and author of “Radiation and Reason.”) “They should note that no harmful effects including cancer have been confirmed for doses below 100 milliSieverts.”


So, a piece of cheese that gives 10000 CPM which is equal to 100 milliSieverts is ok to eat? Background is 10-20 CPM.
Do you see just how insane these people are? Do you want to sit next to 10000 CPM, let alone eat it?

PS.Doses are not measured in sieverts or CPM, they are measured in rads or rems.


Thank you, Antonio. I did not know that there a "standard" for doses. Any more information on what "dose" lingo is appropriate for what food item? Air Item. Soil Item?

Seems like we could all use a "baseline radiation is:....................." type chart.

Keehah, can you help out with this one now that Antonio has helped crystalize our thinking in this dose arena?

beefsteak

Beefsteak, I screwed up again, math was my weakest subject. 100CPM is 1 microsievert, not one millisievert. So, 1 millisievert is 1000 microsieverts and 100000 CPM. So, 100 millisieverts is 10 million CPM while background is 10 CPM.
Wade Allison, a physics professor at Oxford University and author of “Radiation and Reason doesn`t know the difference between microsievert and millisievert. I`m in the arts business and it took me some time to spot her mistake, I hope I can be forgiven for this because I just started learning this stuff. But she surely meant to say microsieverts.

[Large Sarge]

U.S. Labs admit they cannot monitor food and water for radiation

(you are on your own folks)

http://www.iwatchnews.org/2011/04/12/4122/food-safety-labs-may-not-have-capacity-handle-crisis-japans

[Cobalt]

We paid for a program to test the safety of food but they can't test the safety of food.

Another well thought out gubment program :oo-->