What if the Jap reactor Blows??? what will be the effect on the Western USA???

[SLV^GLD]

Be careful confusing the concepts of "can't" and "won't".

[Large Sarge]

they are seriously debating moving the capitol of Japan away from tokyo, the levels of radiation are to high for the politicians (not for the citizens though)

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=127294

[Book]

they are seriously debating moving the capitol of Japan away from tokyo, the levels of radiation are to high for the politicians (not for the citizens though)



The Japanese should cash in all their US Treasuries and buy Hawaii.

:)

[Large Sarge]

they are seriously debating moving the capitol of Japan away from tokyo, the levels of radiation are to high for the politicians (not for the citizens though)



The Japanese should cash in all their US Treasuries and buy Hawaii.

:)


Yes

that would not be bad idea at all, or Bermuda maybe

hell even parts of africa....

[keehah]

100CPM is 1 microsievert, not one millisievert. So, 1 millisievert is 1000 microsieverts and 100000 CPM. So, 100 millisieverts is 10 million CPM while background is 10 CPM.
Wade Allison, a physics professor at Oxford University and author of “Radiation and Reason doesn`t know the difference between microsievert and millisievert. I`m in the arts business and it took me some time to spot her mistake, I hope I can be forgiven for this because I just started learning this stuff. But she surely meant to say microsieverts.


One more correction make: 100CPM is 1 microsievert/hour

Thus when talking of a dose near the reactor of 100 millisieverts total, which is the same as 100 000 microsieverts one needs to divide this by the total of number of hours exposure (24 hours * (~30days)= 720 hours).

This works out to 139 microsieverts/hour. Which converts to 13 900 CPM

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Infant Radiation Dose Over 30 km From Plant May Be Over 100 Millisieverts (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x740782)
democraticunderground.com

Source: Kyodo News

The radiation dose received by one-year-old infants outside of a 30-kilometer radius of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant since Saturday's explosion at the plant may have exceeded 100 millisieverts, a computer simulation conducted by the government showed Wednesday.

''There are some cases in which they could have received more than 100 millisieverts of radiation, even if they're outside the 30-kilometer radius and in the event that they spent every day outdoors since the explosion at the Fukushima nuclear plant,'' Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano told a news conference.

Haruki Madarame, chairman of the Nuclear Safety Commission of Japan, told reporters, ''The figure represents the level that one-year-old infants would have received and accumulated in their thyroids by midnight Wednesday since the explosion.''

(snip)

People exposed to a radiation dose of 100 millisieverts are required to take potassium iodide, Madarame said. An annual radiation dose of 100 millisieverts is believed to be associated with an increased risk of cancer.

more: http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/80575.html

1 in 200 Infants in certain areas outside the 30km radius exposed to LETHAL radiation

What does that mean, exposure to 100 "millisieverts"?

Well, according to the EPA document here, the "nominal cancer fatality coefficient" is .05 /Sv. What this means is that for every dose of 1 Sv (sievert) of radiation, the chances of contracting a FATAL cancer is 5%.

This puts to light information where the workers at the Fukushima plant are subjected to 500 mSv (.5) per HOUR. In just 2 hours would be 1 Sv of radiation. In 20 hours at the same rate would be 10 Sv (50% chance of cancer fatality). This has been going on for over a week.

Apart from the workers, the Japanese Nuclear Safety Commission's own simulation put areas OUTSIDE 30 km from the plant to have an infant dose of 100 mSv. 100 mSv = .1 Sv (10% of 1 Sv). And according to the article, this is radiation they would have received up until "midnight Wednesday since the explosion."

So if 1 Sv has a 5% chance of contracting fatal cancer (meaning 1 in 20 people exposed will get fatal cancer), with .1 Sv you have 1 in 200 getting fatal cancer. That means in certain areas (they don't specify) OUTSIDE the 30km radius of the Fukushima accident, 1 in 200 infants will get fatal cancer from radiation exposure...as of Wed night. Every day they are there increases this risk, with more and more infants, children, and adults getting cancer.

http://libradex.com/viewArticle.aspx?id=125
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http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/C/CancerRisk.html

Collective Dose

100 mSv causes a 1% increase in cancer in a population; i.e., it should cause an increase of 1 cancer in every 100 people in the exposed population. But if our reasoning is correct, a population of 10,000 people exposed to 1 mSv should also yield one case of radiation-induced cancer.

In any population, where the product of radiation dose (in mSv) times population size equals 1 x 104, one case of cancer will be induced.

The product of exposure multiplied by the size of the exposed population is known as the collective dose. Its units are (persons)x(mSv).

An example: The population of the U.S. in 2009 was about 305 million.
So anything that increases the annual exposure of the U.S. population by as little as 0.01 mSv (a typical chest x ray is 0.02 mSv) per year would cause an additional 305 cases of cancer.

(305 x 106 persons)(0.01 mSv)
_____________________________ = 305 cancers
1 x 104 person mSv/cancer

But consider:
The total number of cancer deaths in the United States that year was expected to exceed 560,000.
How can we possible detect an increase of 305 faced with these large numbers?

[SHTF2010]

is there any way to put a short for Japanese tourism ?

[Serpo]

Spent fuel rods add to trouble at Japan nuke plant
The operator of Japan's tsunami-flooded nuclear power complex was seeking ways Thursday to pull damaged spent fuel rods out of a storage pool at one of its reactors, citing surging radiation and elevated temperatures as worrisome signs.

The troubling signals at the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear complex come as frustrations grow with Tokyo Electric Power Co.'s handling of the crisis, which has progressed fitfully since a March 11 tsunami swamped the plant, knocking out crucial cooling systems. Restoring them will take months.

Frequent aftershocks from the magnitude 9.0 earthquake that triggered the monstrous waves are unwelcome reminders of the disaster and are impeding work on the cooling systems. (AP )
Japan's emperor makes first trip to disaster zone
Japan's revered emperor made his first trip Thursday to the disaster zone since the March 11 earthquake and tsunami destroyed much of the northeast coast and set off a crisis of radiation leaks at a flooded nuclear plant. Emperor Akihito and Empress Michiko visited two evacuation shelters Thursday in Asahi city, about 54 miles east of Tokyo near the Pacific coast. The royal couple knelt on mats and spoke quietly with evacuees, who bowed deeply. Some wiped tears from their eyes. (MSNBC )
Japan police scour nuclear zone for tsunami bodies
Police began searching Thursday for tsunami victims in a 10-kilometre zone around Japan's crippled Fukushima atomic plant where frantic efforts continued to contain a nuclear crisis. Hundreds of police in protective gear for the first time scoured rubble-strewn neighbourhoods near the plant for victims of the giant wave that smashed into Japan's northeast coast more than a month ago. A force of 300 officers was deployed into the no-man's land -- pushing closer towards the plant after they started a wider search on April 3 that covered the outer areas of the 20 km exclusion zone. (AFP )
East Fukushima shiitake banned
Prime Minister Naoto Kan on Wednesday banned the shipment of shiitake raised outdoors in eastern Fukushima Prefecture near the crippled nuclear power plant after radioactive substances exceeding government standard were detected. A test Sunday found 12,000 becquerels per kg of radioactive iodine and 13,000 becquerels per kg of cesium in shiitake harvested in Iitate. The figure is well above the legal limit of 2,000 becquerels for radioactive iodine and 500 becquerels for cesium. (Japan Times )
Evacuees slam Japan nuclear plant operator
Angry residents forced from their homes near Japan's tsunami-stricken nuclear power plant gathered in protest at the Tokyo headquarters of the plant's operator Wednesday demanding compensation as the company's president pledged to do more to help those affected by the crisis.

"I can't work and that means I have no money," said Shigeaki Konno, 73, an auto repair mechanic, who lived seven miles (11 kilometers) from the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant before he was evacuated along with tens of thousands of others due to radiation fears. "The talk about compensation is not concrete. We need it quickly."

The protest by about 20 small business owners from communities near the plant reflects growing public frustration with Tokyo Electric Power Co.'s handling of the nuclear crisis that erupted when a tsunami triggered by a magnitude 9.0 earthquake on March 11 wrecked its cooling systems and backup generators. (AP )
2:46 Aftershocks: Stories from the Japan Earthquake published
2:46: Aftershocks: Stories from the Japan Earthquake aka #Quakebook, which is a compilation of art, stories, and essays to raise money for Japan earthquake survivors, went on sale today. All revenues go to the Japan Red Cross. Contributors include many Japanese citizens, foreigners who stayed in Japan, those who had to leave, and science fiction author, William Gibson, singer-songwriter-artist, Yoko Ono, and investigative journalist, Jake Adelstein. (japansubculture.com)

http://www.newsonjapan.com/

[Serpo]

<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/22352930" width="400" height="225" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/22352930">Fukushima Accident Severity Level Raised to '7': Gundersen Discusses Lack of US Radiation Monitoring Data</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user6415562">Fairewinds Associates</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

[Serpo]

TEPCO Confirms Reactor 4 Spent Fuel Pool Is Now An Uncontrolled, Open Air Fission Process

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 04/13/2011 19:25 -0400

Uranium


It had been a while since we had a factual update (as opposed to just lies and spin) from Fukushima. Courtesy of Kyodo, we now know that what was speculated by some as true, and rebutted by most as mere scaremongering, is in fact, fact. "Some of the spent nuclear fuel rods stored in the No. 4 reactor building of the crisis-hit Fukushima Daiichi power plant were confirmed to be damaged, but most of them are believed to be in sound condition, plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Wednesday." Naturally, in one month we will learn that most of them are damaged, and in two months, that each and every one has been demolished. "The firm known as TEPCO said its analysis of a 400-milliliter water sample taken Tuesday from the No. 4 unit's spent nuclear fuel pool revealed the damage to some fuel rods in such a pool for the first time, as it detected higher-than-usual levels of radioactive iodine-131, cesium-134 and cesium-137." These confirm an ongoing fission reaction. In a tremendously ironic development, the No. 4 reactor, halted for a regular inspection before last month's earthquake and tsunami disaster, had all of its 1,331 spent fuel rods and 204 unused fuel rods stored in the pool for the maintenance work. Unfortunately, the entire pool ended up being damaged following the quake and the subsequent explosion, in essence nullifying any protection that the containment dome would have provided. As the picture from the Asahi Shimbun below shows, the damage from overhanging structures which have subsequently fallen into the fuel pool likely means that there could well be an uncontrolled, if weak, fission reaction currently going on in the reactor 4 SFP (where the water temperature is currently 90 degrees) unprotected by the elements due to the complete destruction of the Reactor 4 shell.




More from Kyodo:

The cooling period for 548 of the 1,331 rods was shorter than that for others and the volume of decay heat emitted from the fuel in the No. 4 unit pool is larger compared with pools at other reactor buildings.

According to TEPCO, radioactive iodine-131 amounting to 220 becquerels per cubic centimeter, cesium-134 of 88 becquerels and cesium-137 of 93 becquerels were detected in the pool water. Those substances are generated by nuclear fission.

The government's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said the confirmed radioactive materials were up to 100,000 times higher than normal but that the higher readings may have also been caused by the pouring of rainwater containing much radioactivity or particles of radiation-emitting rubble in the pool.

The roof and the upper walls of the No. 4 reactor building have been blown away by a hydrogen explosion and damaged by fires since the disaster struck the plant. The water level in the spent fuel pool is believed to have temporarily dropped.

In the meantime the latest drywell readiation reading in Reactor 1 is still "out of commission"



(Source: METI)

And lastly, a demonstration from Fairewinds' Arnie Gunderson who shows how the Zircalloy uranium pellets mostly likely melted and shattered, possibly penetrating through the floor of reactors 2 and 3.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/tepco-confirms-reactor-4-spent-fuel-pool-now-uncontrolled-open-air-fission-process

[Serpo]

Dr. Michio Kaku, Theoretical Physicist: Fukishima Daiichi Nuclear Facility is a "Ticking Time Bomb"

The Japanese government is trying to calm fears about radiation levels and food safety in the region around the heavily damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power facility, even as it has raised the severity rating of the crisis to the highest possible level. "Radiation is continuing to leak out of the reactors, the situation is not stable at all," says Dr. Michio Kaku, professor of theoretical physics at the City University Of New York and the City College of New York, in an interview on Democracy Now! April 13. "The slightest disturbance could set off a full scale melt down at three nuclear power stations—far beyond what we saw at Chernobyl."



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrxKqLeZYD0&feature=player_embedded

[Serpo]

Food Chain Breach: Radioactive Sludge Used for Fertilizer on Farms


http://www.stuarthsmith.com/food-chain-breach-radioactive-sludge-used-for-fertilizer-on-farms

[Cobalt]

Food Chain Breach: Radioactive Sludge Used for Fertilizer on Farms


http://www.stuarthsmith.com/food-chain-breach-radioactive-sludge-used-for-fertilizer-on-farms



“…requesting that those with older permits ‘voluntarily’ begin testing for radium, uranium and other pollutants.”


How about we volunteer those responsible to line up for a firing squad,

Hell we could make a reality show out of it and call it "We are Mad as Hell and aren't going to take it anymore"

[lapis]

I've been looking around the great nuclear watchdog Idealist (http://www.idealist.ws)site.

Here's their "Tips for arguing with radiation PR people"

http://i51.tinypic.com/2dqouc.png

Also:

Parents: Your children are not only breathing in iodine-131, which is presently in the air, but they are absorbing this radiosotope, which is deemed only safe in radioactive waste storage areas, into their bodies via tap water, vegetables, breast or goat's or cow's milk and other foods. What the media is not doing a good job at telling you is that iodine-131 pools in high concentrations in the thyroid gland. They are apparently unconcerned about your child, for if they cared about children they would tell you this and also that children are very vulnerable to other radiation dangers such as strontium-89 or strontium-90. These radioactive particles were found in Moscow recently and it is certain that they are present in North America's air and water and food. These so-called radio-strontiums pool in teeth and bones and increase the risks of immune system impairment, leukemia and cancer.

The media and the government isn't the parent of your child. You are. That's why you need to be very strong, even if it means ignoring the advice of the so-called experts on this one issue. While the media approves the manner by which companies all around the world are searching for new suppliers for components, don't wait for them to advise you to search for fresh and dry imported foods from climates near and south of the equator to replace the foods in your country that are now contaminated.

[gunDriller]

i can't stand Amy Goodman - she is a left gate-keeper if ever there was one, she parrots the Scary Muslims did 9-11 BS - BUT this was enough to bring me back to her website, which i have avoided since 2006.

a link for the *.mp3 -

http://traffic.libsyn.com/democracynow/dn2011-0413-1.mp3

the part with Dr. Kaku is from about 11:00 to about 26:00.

[beefsteak]

Lapis posted above:

The media and the government isn't the parent of your child. You are. That's why you need to be very strong, even if it means ignoring the advice of the so-called experts on this one issue. While the media approves the manner by which companies all around the world are searching for new suppliers for components, don't wait for them to advise you to search for fresh and dry imported foods from climates near and south of the equator to replace the foods in your country that are now contaminated.

What hit me hard when I read that highlighted part, Lapis is this:
I know my daughter quite well. To do anything about changing her parenting would mean she'd have to start getting up earlier (she already arises at 4:30 for her daily workout before going to work at 8), or cutting back on her workout so she can maintain her weight, and start MAKING HEALTHY alternative foods for the grandkids so they don't eat now poisoned school lunches. And she needs to re-train them about eating what new stuff she makes if she's going to make it that is...which they don't like the taste of b/c her normal buying patterns are severely compromised and interrupted on a shoestring budget. Therefore, they will "eat what the other kids don't want or are willing to share from their school lunch trays" frustrating and defeating her "new more wholesome approach to parenting and feeding"...

This changing of eating is gynormous. Adult or child. I suspect the soft kills from this resistance to eating changes--not just on the west coast where my youngest and her family are--but all over this nation are going to be astronomical. As the wife has confided in me as she's taking this serious, one doesn't now start going to the store and buying what they've always bought if one wishes to be responsible to themselves and their family. And the hard fought trend trying to be espoused over the last few years of "grazing the outside aisles" of the store to find healthy nourishment, have just been squarely kicked in the groin. The outside aisles around here are the veggies, the grain breads, the milk products and meat. Man, this is a major slap up the side of the head around here.

I wryly noted Gundersons statement that "no sickness as the result of TMI disaster" which has been oft trumpeted, especially as of late, is "WRONG." And that's a direct quote. He also stated his source and his source's research to back up his assessment.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

I've been looking around the great nuclear watchdog Idealist (http://www.idealist.ws)site.

Here's their "Tips for arguing with radiation PR people"

http://i51.tinypic.com/2dqouc.png

Also:
I wished to highlight that extremely useful chart and site you brought forward, Lapis.
Just today from my engineering buddy who has been I thought patiently helping explain things to me on a level I could understand and then share here...I was slapped with a "who are you listening to?" type response, followed up quickly by the "background radiation" deflection pointed out in the above chart.

As a general rule, I've found that those more book educated than I in some of the sciences, like to play "my expertise is better than your 'quoted expert' source." Then they get defensive, and then they tend to quit responding to further inquiries for more information at all.

Then he added further to the insult of my pursuing this topic with him by stating that "the result I presented him (from the AREVA chart posted earlier on this thread and addressed by Arnie Gunderson) was either not properly sampled, or conducted by Merlins."

Guess that avenue is now closed. I can't play "who has the better expert" with him...I don't have his book learning. Got to go find me some new buddies to discuss this with. I'm pretty disappointed with this go-to guy right now.

beefsteak

[Horn]

TEPCO Confirms Reactor 4 Spent Fuel Pool Is Now An Uncontrolled, Open Air Fission Process


This is what the U.S. inspectors were worried about since day 2.

Is anyone even going to be able to get anywhere near the site now?

[Serpo]

Lapis posted above:
[quote]
I wryly noted Gundersons statement that "no sickness as the result of TMI disaster" which has been oft trumpeted, especially as of late, is "WRONG." And that's a direct quote. He also stated his source and his source's research to back up his assessment.

beefsteak








Trust no one if they are in or connected to the business(nuc)

[beefsteak]

I got to make more milk for the family tonight. Not been as much grousing as I thought there would be about the first batch I made further up in this thread. Kind of surprised me this lack of complaining. I'm working with powdered and evap milk combo tonight. We'll see if I get more funny looks at breakfast t'morrow. ???

This radically changing eating habits, man, I didn't see this one coming. Au and Ag, and set aside cans of this and that, yeah, I could see that. No where did I ever think radioactive soft kills. Around my household this is a major jolt.

beefsteak

[gunDriller]

I got to make more milk for the family tonight. Not been as much grousing as I thought there would be about the first batch I made further up in this thread. Kind of surprised me this lack of complaining. I'm working with powdered and evap milk combo tonight. We'll see if I get more funny looks at breakfast t'morrow. ???

makes me want to try an evaporated milk berry smoothies -

evap. milk
Great Value blueberry-strawberry-blackberry frozen berries
apple juice from apple juice concentrate
sugar to taste

[beefsteak]

That sounds pretty good, Gun Driller. I think I could pull that off. Thanks for posting!!!

[MNeagle]

I got to make more milk for the family tonight. Not been as much grousing as I thought there would be about the first batch I made further up in this thread. Kind of surprised me this lack of complaining. I'm working with powdered and evap milk combo tonight. We'll see if I get more funny looks at breakfast t'morrow. ???

This radically changing eating habits, man, I didn't see this one coming. Au and Ag, and set aside cans of this and that, yeah, I could see that. No where did I ever think radioactive soft kills. Around my household this is a major jolt.

beefsteak


Speaking of milk, I'm just starting trying to find an online source for powdered milk that doesn't contain the growth hormones & other yukkies.

We've only used organic for the kids, and don't wish to introduce those hormones to them now via powdered milk. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

[lapis]

I wonder what the most processed to the least processed milk products are. Is evaporated "better" than powdered? Is it still safe to drink regular fluid milk from grain-fed cows (for now)?

As for "good" powdered milk without hormones, check your local health food stores.

[beefsteak]

Brought forward from another GS-US thread. Solid hasn't gotten back to me, so I'm offering my low cost small footprint rev. os unit reference to any on here who may want it. I don't want to clutter the thread.







Just saying it will be more than a mite easier to do the distillation of rainwater after the nasties are removed first.

ALL the best, Solid.

beefsteak


Thanks for the advise, Beefsteak.

I'm still doing some research on solar distilling. I have no idea how the effect of radiation has on the process. To my understanding, solar distilling is basically making rain. You create condensation, essentially removing the water from all the contaminants in the process. It suppose to be right up there with reverse osmosis systems, beating every filter system out there for getting pure water.

What got me thinking about this, was reading on another forum (a sailing forum) about folks going back and forth on the merits of installing a water maker, to make fresh water out of sea water.

Well, obviously having a water maker would be great, however they are extremely expensive, upwards on $4,000, and they require electricity. They are also complicated systems, require routine maintenance, etc...the exact opposite of my philosophy of k.i.s.s. (keep it simple stupid)

Basically, my water situation is this. I have 3 tanks onboard, one tank is disconnected currently, and I can store 200 gallons of water. The tank water I use for cooking, washing dishes, etc. It's run through a filter, though I don't drink it.

I keep plenty of bottle water onboard as well for drinking, probably about 3 months worth.

My plan, is to catch rainwater to fill the tanks up if needed, but not drink that water. Then use the solar distiller to keep up with the bottled water as needed.

I am thinking though, that having a berkey would be excellent as well. Do you think taking the sea water, desalinating it through the solar distiller...then, filtering it through the berkey would be a good idea?


You're welcome, Solid.

I've been thinking about my reply to you ever since you posted your follow-up, quoted above. I found an illustrative image that I wanted to put into photobucket for you, to aid in our continuing along this line of thinking, okay?

Here it is: (more commentary below this image)

http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/beefsteak_GIM/WaterTreatmentMethods.jpg

As you can see, there are "3 rings" of contaminated water purification, and let's say for discussion's sake, we are starting at your starting point, post-desalinization of sea water.

As in any purification process, one must take into account the 3 states of matter:
solids
liquids
gases

If you leave any of these 3 above un-dealt with when using any process, you can see it will remain until it, too is removed from the "contaminants' list." Making sense now?

Radioactive contamination is both a solids removal challenge (a particulate), an ion-removing challenge (ion-exchange primarily uses resins) and a gaseous removal challenge, (radioactive contamination is also gaseous sometimes.)

It is normal to remove solids first, which is a level of filtration using either adsorption (no, not absorption) onto a charcoal filtration which is a level of selectivity of ions, or a membrane (tiny tiny micro pores...the tinier, the easier to plug which slows down the whole process).

Then you move around--clockwise--the graphic wheel above, and look/implement the next level of contaminant removal, and so forth.

You asked about the Berkey System. They are a fine system. No 2 ways about it, but it is STILL on the level of the first 2/3 clockwise rotation of the water treatment wheel above.

You can spend over $30 bucks for a charcoal filtration system that will treat 200 gallons a year for human consumption, and take up less room than a Berkey if you are wanting to stop at the charcoal filtration level
of contaminant removal.

Halting water treatment at that level is not going to deal with the gaseous radionuclides currently contaminating water.

I do have an inexpensive suggestion for a reverse osmosis system if you wish to move into that level of water contaminant removal.

Best regards,
Beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Lapis,
we talked about this, and being head of the house, I told the family I felt we had to start somewhere. I told them I didn't like the fact that the first reports were tainted spinach, and milk. Those unsettling first reports came from Japan mainland. That was 2.5 weeks ago, and at ground zero.

Then No. California reported cesium in their growing strawberry crops. That was enough just last week as reported here on this thread. That was interpreted by me and our family as, " it HAS come across the ocean, and we've been major lied to."

Seems the first things the authorities test for is and then report on is harmful breast milk for new mothers, and cow's milk for everyone else. I suppose goat's milk is not so good for consumption, either. I never had any. Don't intend to.

Anyhow, we decided we had to make a stand somewhere and bite the bullet, and get started with the change we all have to make re: food. That's why we started with milk. Our household has already made the decision, no more "grocery store milk, cream, ice cream, cheese, or butter." That sure cuts out a lot of things. But it also cuts out a lot of stress over dying young, or with horrible cancers. In good conscience, I can't recommend you continue to think milk is safe for you, if I won't feed it to my family. That's why I tried to set a good example for them by Dad making the new milk substitute for the crew, and using it myself, too.

Hope this helps, Lapis.

Beefsteak

[solid]

Brought forward from another GS-US thread. Solid hasn't gotten back to me, so I'm offering my low cost small footprint rev. os unit reference to any on here who may want it.


I wanted to thank you, beefsteak for your input in that thread..

Honestly, as much as a lot of the info in this thread, on the reactor situation, goes over my head...I do realize, I'm basically fucked (sorry about the vulgarity), but it's true.

All this makes me want to just say fuck it, and go sailing. That's what I plan on doing...it's my dream. I'm not going to let it stop me, though it may at some point.

I'm done worrying about things I can not control. Please don't hold that against me.

I'm tired of all the BS though, I want to drop out of our life chasing money, consuming constantly. Our wants, become our suffrage, slaving our lives away part of the system trying to compete with others and chasing the next best dangling carrot.

My life is tools. Everything I purchase now, is a tool....be it a can of food, a solar distiller, a gallon of paint, or any part I need to keep me focused on my goal.

All this radiation does, is up the ante. I best go sooner...than later, I figure.

[beefsteak]

A word about cheese in the future. Someone posted --forget where, sorry--that one of the things the dairy industry does is to STORE CHEESE and butter until the radiation came comes down via the half-life routine for Iodine-131.

Then I remembered, I've always wondered why there was so much butter and so much cheese stored by the USDA and given out FREE over the last several decades to school cafeteria, and fallout shelters, and old folks homes' kitchen staff.

After tying together the facts about the Above Ground Nuke Tests in Nevada in the 50s and 60s, with this sudden largess of cheese donations and butter donations to 50s fallout shelters and institutional use--I think it is all used up now, or almost is--it now makes sense as to where most likely these "gifts" came from.

I think I have my answer now. And I bet they don't label this stuff as to when it was "made" and from which it came, either...during the next "USDA/NRC/FEMA/DHS" or whatever it will be called then either.

And it disgusts me! Then again, I may have added 2 + 2 and come up with 3 heads and 2 tails...

[beefsteak]

I got to make more milk for the family tonight. Not been as much grousing as I thought there would be about the first batch I made further up in this thread. Kind of surprised me this lack of complaining. I'm working with powdered and evap milk combo tonight. We'll see if I get more funny looks at breakfast t'morrow. ???

This radically changing eating habits, man, I didn't see this one coming. Au and Ag, and set aside cans of this and that, yeah, I could see that. No where did I ever think radioactive soft kills. Around my household this is a major jolt.

beefsteak


Speaking of milk, I'm just starting trying to find an online source for powdered milk that doesn't contain the growth hormones & other yukkies.

We've only used organic for the kids, and don't wish to introduce those hormones to them now via powdered milk. Any suggestions?

Thanks.


MNEagle,
I just did the following search: and here's what I found.
http://www.google.com/search?q=organic+powdered+milk&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

I'm using what I got, now that me and the wife's research is kicking into high gear into new areas since the soft-kill genocidal program is now demonstrably underway ala Fukushima.

One of the hardest things was getting into the WTSHTF stash. I didn't think it would be this soon. I'm old, but I'm not in the grave yet. Sorry to say, the Mrs. is even older. YIKES!

[beefsteak]

I wonder what the most processed to the least processed milk products are. Is evaporated "better" than powdered? Is it still safe to drink regular fluid milk from grain-fed cows (for now)?

As for "good" powdered milk without hormones, check your local health food stores.


Lapis,
I don't think I know the answer to that. Wife just bought what was on sale over the years, and tried to keep the stock rotated to reduce spoilage by cooking with it and stuff.

The mice attacked the powdered milk that wasn't in the FoilWrap boxes. The non-foil wrap boxes all got holes in them and we pitched 'em out. Costly little varmits. Was glad to see the 4 footed ones don't like foil wrapped packages.

They got into the wife's chocolate chips' stash, and broke into the fig newtons she'd also stashed. Ditto the popcorn. They consumed the chocolate chips, the popcorn was everywhere, but they did NOT like the fig newtons so she told me. Wonder what that tells me about expiration dates on dates...

beefsteak

[Neuro]

There is actually no need for children to drink milk, fresh raw milk is the best to drink, but if you are concerned about radiation stop drinking it.

[Serpo]

There is actually no need for children to drink milk, fresh raw milk is the best to drink, but if you are concerned about radiation stop drinking it.


Havnt drunk it for years.........

[SHTF2010]

IS THERE ANY WAY ?

TO PUT THIS THREAD IN A ZIP FILE, weekly

[mamboni]

A word about cheese in the future. Someone posted --forget where, sorry--that one of the things the dairy industry does is to STORE CHEESE and butter until the radiation came down via the half-life routine for Iodine-131.

Then I remembered, I've always wondered why there was so much butter and so much cheese stored by the USDA and given out FREE over the last several decades to school cafeteria, and fallout shelters, and old folks homes' kitchen staff.

After tying together the facts about the Above Ground Nuke Tests in Nevada in the 50s and 60s, with this sudden largess of cheese donations and butter donations to 50s fallout shelters and institutional use--I think it is all used up now, or almost is--it now makes sense as to where most likely these "gifts" came from.

I think I have my answer now. And I bet they don't label this stuff as to when it was "made" and from which it came, either...during the next "USDA/NRC/FEMA/DHS" or whatever it will be called then either.

And it disgusts me! Then again, I may have added 2 + 2 and come up with 3 heads and 2 tails...


By chance, do you live in a van down by the river? ;D

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/down-by-the-river/274879/

[DMac]

Regarding the milk info, do you folks think there is a safe alternative in rice or almond milk? Also, what about parmalat?

TIA

[gunDriller]

IS THERE ANY WAY ?

TO PUT THIS THREAD IN A ZIP FILE, weekly


i hate to say this but ... Microsoft to the Rescue !

they actually have a useful service, Skydrive.

http://cid-34bbd2e0b65c0078.office.live.com/browse.aspx/041511?uc=1&nl=1

so i set up a Skydrive account - that is my page - you mouse over the "What if the Jap reactor Blows" line, then a "Download" link appears, you click on that, it starts downloading the *.zip.

it's about a 35 MB download.

[lapis]

Regarding the milk info, do you folks think there is a safe alternative in rice or almond milk?

For now, the nut milks will be safer, but they sure as heck aren't as nutrient-dense as milk from grass-fed cows. Pretty much any nutrient they have is added, not inherent in the milk itself.

I really feel sorry for those women who "can't" breastfeed and have to rely on formula or home-made formula (the Weston Price Foundation has several recipes at its website).


Also, what about parmalat?

Parmalat is ultra-high heat processed, so it's basically dead. However, depending on where and when it was processed, it may be good for baking with for now.

I'm going to have to ease my way out of my dairy dilemma. I must start each day with a cup of coffee with CREAM. I can't imagine life without it. *sigh*

So I've decided to buy clotted or double cream from the English Devon company.


http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/englishteastore_2150_84068432 http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/englishteastore_2150_84041173



It's a real PITA to get, as very few grocery stores carry it probably due to the current anti-saturated fat hysteria (thanks, idiot fat nazis!). I may experiment with mixing it with some water in a blender, as it's quite thick and hard. It's like cream cheese or ice cream without any flavor.

This situation is a real bummer, as I've sourced some great raw butter from North Carolina and Pennsylvania. But I also use a lot of Irish KerryGold butter. I may keep buying it for the short-term.

I will also keep buying up aged cheeses. There's a lot of these still on the shelves at grocery stores. I guess this problem is not on the radar at all for the sheeple.

In my local online group, I was surprised that someone posted "Is the radiation here [in the U.S.]?" the other day. Most of the members are open to alternative information, but I guess they're still getting their news from the MSM.

But that's good for us. We'll have plenty of time to buy up all the old powdered, evaporated, heat-processed milk and aged cheeses.

[lapis]

And the hard fought trend trying to be espoused over the last few years of "grazing the outside aisles" of the store to find healthy nourishment, have just been squarely kicked in the groin. The outside aisles around here are the veggies, the grain breads, the milk products and meat. Man, this is a major slap up the side of the head around here.

I know, I know! I have some local sources for milk, beef, and pork (one of the few benefits of living in CA is was the availability of fresh food year-round). What is this going to do for the small farmers once word gets out about the radiation? Especially the ones who are doing things right (grass and pasture farming).

Once again, the Elites are going to make money from another one of the disasters they've created. People will turn away from foods farmed the right way, and flock to buy the factory-farmed grainfed animals and the pesticide-filled produce from South America.

[lapis]

Just today from my engineering buddy who has been I thought patiently helping explain things to me on a level I could understand and then share here...I was slapped with a "who are you listening to?" type response, followed up quickly by the "background radiation" deflection pointed out in the above chart.

I'm sorry to hear that! :(


As a general rule, I've found that those more book educated than I in some of the sciences, like to play "my expertise is better than your 'quoted expert' source." Then they get defensive, and then they tend to quit responding to further inquiries for more information at all.

*Sigh* that's too bad, but I used to be that way too.

Unfortunately the only antidote to prancing around on a high horse with a book learning-fueled superiority complex is a bunch of kicks to the head via the School of Hard Knocks. All these smart people who are parroting the kool-aid from Nuclear Industry shills are going to get punched pretty hard health-wise if they follow their advice.


Got to go find me some new buddies to discuss this with. I'm pretty disappointed with this go-to guy right now.

I'm sure you are, but at least you planted some seeds of alternative information in his mind. Although he was resistant to what you said, as someone who is like him, I can tell you that he's probably obsessively re-playing what you told him over and over again in his mind, thinking of ways to debunk you. It may actually lead him to do more research on what you said. Well, we can only hope!

[lapis]

Oh great! I just went on the enenews.com site, and saw this posted:

Radioactive cesium levels continue to rise in milk from San Francisco Bay Area (http://enenews.com/radioactive-cesium-levels-continue-rise-milk-san-francisco-bay-area)

The milk now contains measurable levels of cesium 131, 132, 134, and 137.

134 has a half-life of two years, and 137 thirty years!!! On the bright side, I was happy to see there were a lot of comments from people who are not drinking the Nuclear Industry shill kool-aid.

This was a good one (http://enenews.com/radioactive-cesium-levels-continue-rise-milk-san-francisco-bay-area#comment-15437):

I’ve read all the comments here and it seems that everyone who has taken the time and effort to find sites like these are not buying what our corporate state tv, epa, fda, etc are peddling.

So I’d just like to add one thing for all those who cannot get out of the fallout zone and feel helpless to do anything about it.. remember the power of pen and tongue!

The power of pen and tongue can save this once great nation, its not too late.
The power of pen and tongue brought down a president (Nixon) not so long ago and that was before the internet!
The quality of a democracy can be measured by the quality of it’s journalism. That is why the press is the only business protected by the Bill of Rights (in the 1st Amendment).

The time for watching and waiting is over. It’s time to draw the line, stand up and be heard.

SILENCE = DEATH

and I’ll add to that…

COMPLACENCY = DEATH

[lapis]

Just today from my engineering buddy who has been I thought patiently helping explain things to me on a level I could understand and then share here...I was slapped with a "who are you listening to?" type response, followed up quickly by the "background radiation" deflection pointed out in the above chart.

Beefsteak, print this article out and have it ready to spring on him!

Former DOE official criticizes UC Berkeley professor for comparing ingestion of radioactive iodine to air travel (http://enenews.com/former-doe-official-criticizes-uc-berkeley-professor-comparing-ingestion-radioactive-iodine-air-travel)

It's about this (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2014693490_nukemonitors06m.html)article.

[Kai Vetter, UC Berkeley professor of nuclear engineering] and his colleagues try to put the health risks in perspective by pairing their data with calculations of “effective doses.” For example, a person would have to drink 134 liters of the rainwater with the highest radiation levels to equal the average radiation exposure from flying cross-country. …

[Robert Alvarez, a former DOE deputy assistant secretary for national security] is critical of those kinds of comparisons, which are also offered by EPA and health agencies.

Isotopes like iodine-131 are not part of normal background radiation, and have unique properties that background radiation does not, like accumulating in the thyroid gland, he pointed out.

“The doses are extremely small, and so, too, are the risks,” he said. “But they liken it to everyday life and it’s not like everyday life. You shouldn’t have radioactive iodine even in tiny quantities finding its way into your milk supplies.” …

[gunDriller]

But that's good for us. We'll have plenty of time to buy up all the old powdered, evaporated, heat-processed milk and aged cheeses.


just what i was thinking.

i imagine that within 6 months, people will begin to understand more widely that the new food that is being produced contains radiation. it's already being documented, 60 minutes or somebody will cover it, and there will be lots of people like Kindra Arneson, the woman that helped document the BP poisoning.

so the logical thing then is, people buy canned.

i wonder if canned goods from the pre-Fukushima era will begin to increase in value, so you could sell a can of evaporated milk from February 2011 for $5, and a can from March-April-May 2011 will sell for $2 or $3.

i honestly would not be surprised to see store shelves stripped bare of canned goods when the knowledge becomes more widespread.

[beefsteak]

DMac,
not that I'm any expert on milk as this whole thread knows already, ;D... but I understand one can make their own rice milk. I confess going to a "foreigner type" grocery store, and buying a bag of rice in bulk, and putting it into metal cans when I lugged that sucker home. Man, that was a heavy sack!!! My money was the right color even if I didn't understand much of what they were saying in there and looked at me funny.

Anyhow, I copied off the net how to make rice milk and I figure that is our "back up's back up." I don't have any idea how it is to cook with. I tried one carton from the discount grocers oh about a year ago, and it was sure thin. But it was white. LOL Besides, I could mix bullion or scraps with it and the cats loved it. Like I said, it was white and I could tolerate it. That soymilk carton gave me gas and I never finished it. The cats wouldn't touch it either.

I've got an old camping buddy and his wife who haul a lot of Parmalat to Mexico with them when they winter down there every year, so I take it, that stuff is pretty good. I didn't know it was high temp processed until I read the comment up high earlier. They liked it because it didn't need to be refrig'd so they could just open it as they needed it. RVs are notorious for their tiny refrigerators!

Hope this helps, DMac.

[beefsteak]

IS THERE ANY WAY ?

TO PUT THIS THREAD IN A ZIP FILE, weekly


i hate to say this but ... Microsoft to the Rescue !

they actually have a useful service, Skydrive.

http://cid-34bbd2e0b65c0078.office.live.com/browse.aspx/041511?uc=1&nl=1

so i set up a Skydrive account - that is my page - you mouse over the "What if the Jap reactor Blows" line, then a "Download" link appears, you click on that, it starts downloading the *.zip.

it's about a 35 MB download.


That's pretty cool, GunDriller. Thanks!
I just SAVE WEBPAGE AS: ( the first page,) on Windows 7, and it keeps everything interactive and all the pages and links keep working even tho' it is now on my HDD.

THANKS AGAIN, gunny Yours works WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better!

[beefsteak]

Lapis,
while I was using the http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2498/3846090162_629e557766.jpg to make the family's next batch of milk, I was thinking about your cheese and evap milk stocking up thoughts you shared above. We have the little one my wife bought at a thrift store for $10. I like cleaning it up better than I do her blender. It's a guy thing. ;D (Mine is like the little one on the left.)

Here's what went through my mind while making this batch.
1) I need to find a mexican food store I think an ad on TV calls them teindas or something like that, to get real south of the border vanilla.http://grupodeshad.com/images/vanilla-all.jpg Those vanilla beans from which they make their real vanilla wouldn't be polluted by this crop of radiation since vanilla has a long shelf life.

Plus it doesn't take as much as the "regular grocery store, high alcohol leached vanilla" currently on grocers' shelves. Don't think the price has probably gone up as not many folks are making their own milk in the last 30 days or so. The way we are experimenting with vanilla around here, especially me as I'm trying to reconstruct milk for the family out of stashed powdered milk, I think I'll be buying more than 1 big bottle. Besides, if one can get the real beans themselves, one could probably make their own vanilla, and still be using last year's pre-radiation crop beans to do so. I'll have to check and see if there are any date codes I can decipher. Probably will be in Spanish, right? Thank god for BabelFish. 8)

2) I remembered my Dad --may he rest in peace-- used to insist upon a glass of buttermilk at supper. I never developed a taste for that stuff, but when Mom--may she also rest in peace--would bake cookies and cakes with buttermilk, I couldn't taste the difference in the cookies in my childhood. I could in the gravy.
So, I checked out how to make "close tasting" buttermilk. And one uses a few drops of RealLemon http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Rk3n07LtrwY/TBAoSDMBwGI/AAAAAAAAABk/XeKGwoY6RsQ/s1600/lemon-juice-real-lemon.jpg (the brand I remember, isn't that weird?) Lemonjuice concentrate.

3) The other thing I noticed was how carefully I rinsed everything I was making into the 1/2g milk jugs. I didn't want to waste a drop. Don't know about the rest of you, but I never have spent much time helping in the kitchen, let alone "making milk." It's time consuming, a new chore for me to do regularly but more fun than carrying out the trash :oo-->. But I didn't want to waste any of it. That was rather an unexpected observation as I kind of stood outside myself and watched myself doing this "milk thing."

4) I also went to the net and learned how to make evaporated milk for about 70c a gal so they say. I think I'll be trying my homemade rocket stove to do this chore. Why waste gas or electricity when I could do it outside, and get some normal chores done.
I guess from what I've read, it takes about 2-3 hours to evaporate it down to thickness. And regular milk can be frozen, so I don't see why I can't make a package of frozen evap milk Ice cubes.

5) What I'm thinking is that half 'n half http://www.cloverorganicfarms.com/images_Products_vb/Org_Milk_Half-n-Half.jpg has a long shelf-life...way past expiration date if it is unopened, and I do mean MONTHS after expiration date. I've successfully used it then, but once it's opened that far after expiration date, it goes bad quickly, so gotta use then! So, I'm going to go to the store here in a little while and get some OLD half-n-half, and work with it until I can get it reduced so I can either freeze the evap'd down half-n-half, or see if I can powder it too.

Don't forget to lay in more cocoa, or Hershey's Choc syrup from last year's cocoa crop from down south.

Like I didn't have enough to do around here!!! Anyhow, since I've taking on this leadership role re: milk within my home, I might as well go all the way. That's my nature.

Thanks for listening, Lapis. And the rest of you, too.

PS...the other cool thing about laying by some RealLemon is that I can be easily persuaded to shift to drinking lemonade all year round. And the grandkids like the stuff just like I like that stuff. Didn't think about this pleasant trade-off until today and thinking about Dad and his buttermilk craving. RealLemon concentrate: a 2-fer one idea.

beefsteak

[Serpo]

Regarding the milk info, do you folks think there is a safe alternative in rice or almond milk?

For now, the nut milks will be safer, but they sure as heck aren't as nutrient-dense as milk from grass-fed cows. Pretty much any nutrient they have is added, not inherent in the milk itself.

I really feel sorry for those women who "can't" breastfeed and have to rely on formula or home-made formula (the Weston Price Foundation has several recipes at its website).


Also, what about parmalat?

Parmalat is ultra-high heat processed, so it's basically dead. However, depending on where and when it was processed, it may be good for baking with for now.

I'm going to have to ease my way out of my dairy dilemma. I must start each day with a cup of coffee with CREAM. I can't imagine life without it. *sigh*

So I've decided to buy clotted or double cream from the English Devon company.


http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/englishteastore_2150_84068432 http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/englishteastore_2150_84041173



It's a real PITA to get, as very few grocery stores carry it probably due to the current anti-saturated fat hysteria (thanks, idiot fat nazis!). I may experiment with mixing it with some water in a blender, as it's quite thick and hard. It's like cream cheese or ice cream without any flavor.

This situation is a real bummer, as I've sourced some great raw butter from North Carolina and Pennsylvania. But I also use a lot of Irish KerryGold butter. I may keep buying it for the short-term.

I will also keep buying up aged cheeses. There's a lot of these still on the shelves at grocery stores. I guess this problem is not on the radar at all for the sheeple.

In my local online group, I was surprised that someone posted "Is the radiation here [in the U.S.]?" the other day. Most of the members are open to alternative information, but I guess they're still getting their news from the MSM.

But that's good for us. We'll have plenty of time to buy up all the old powdered, evaporated, heat-processed milk and aged cheeses.


Quality coconut oil instead of butter is healthier as well.

Black coffee is good

Milk alternatives are out there

[beefsteak]

Zero has put up a spot on analysis of econ projections here in the "west" as the result of F. disaster.


Stone McCarthy Sees Severe Economic Deterioration In April, And Q2, As A Result Of Japanese Supply Chain Destruction
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 04/15/2011 14:43 -0400

* Ford
* Gross Domestic Product
* Toyota

Lately we have heard of occasional documented cases of ear canal bleeding exhibited by people who have been listening too long to morons on TV (and in print) saying that the Japanese economic slow down and supply chain collapse won't have an impact on the US Economy, and will, in fact, be beneficial (it's not pronounced Döuche Bengk). To our immense satisfaction we have confirmed this latest outbreak of bacillus idioticus is localized (to below Canal street), is so far not airborne, and is merely contained to the water supply on Wall Street.

In a note just released by a far more credible source of analytic information than anything coming out from Wall Street in the past 3 years: Stone McCarthy, we discover just why the cut to Q1 GDP is about to be magnified for Q2 (and quite possibly for the rest of the year).

From SMRA: "According to Automotive News, Japan's big seven automakers have lost more than half a million units of domestic production. The most affected automaker is Toyota, which lost 260,000 units since the March 11 earthquake. How about the U.S.? Will U.S. economic output be affected by the supply disruptions to the Japanese auto manufacturers? The answer is unequivocally yes and the economic impact will be quite severe in April and for Q2 as a whole." There, it wasn't that difficult to admit the truth now, was it?

more here:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/stone-mccarthy-sees-severe-adverse-economic-impact-april-and-q2-result-japanese-supply-chain (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/stone-mccarthy-sees-severe-adverse-economic-impact-april-and-q2-result-japanese-supply-chain)

[beefsteak]

Zero also posted this heart-wrenching analysis:


Killing the Unborn ... With Radiation
Submitted by George Washington on 04/15/2011 16:16 -0400

* Japan
* Nuclear Power
* Three Mile Island

George's Preface: I am not against all nuclear power, solely the unsafe type we have today.

The harmful affect of radiation on fetuses has been known for decades.

As nuclear expert Robert Alvarez - a senior U.S. Department of Energy official during the Clinton administration - and journalists Harvey Wasserman and Norman Solomon (and Eleanor Walters) wrote in 1982 in a book called Killing Our Own:


In recent years controversy has arisen over the particular vulnerability of infants in utero and small children to the ill-effects of radiation. Exposure of the fetus to radiation during all stages of pregnancy increases the chances of developing leukemia and childhood cancers. Because their cells are dividing so rapidly, and because there are relatively so few of them involved in the vital functions of the body in the early stages, embryos are most vulnerable to radiation in the first trimester--particularly in the first two weeks after conception. This period carries the highest risk of radiation-induced abortion and adverse changes in organ development. During this stage of development the tiny fetus can be fifteen times more sensitive to radiation-induced cancer than in its last trimester of development, and up to a thousand or more times more sensitive than an adult. In general it is believed that fetuses in the very early stages of development are most vulnerable to penetrating radiation such as X rays and gamma rays.

In all stages, they are vulnerable to emitting isotopes ingested by the mother. For example, if a pregnant mother inhales or ingests radioiodine, it can be carried through the placenta to the fetus, where it can lodge in the fetal thyroid and where its gamma and beta emissions can cause serious damage to the developing organ. Once the fetal thyroid is damaged, changes in the hormonal balance of the body may result in serious--possibly fatal--consequences for the development of the child through pregnancy, early childhood, and beyond. Such effects include underweight and premature birth, poorly developed lungs causing an inability to breathe upon delivery, mental retardation, and general ill-health.

Other emitters can lodge in other fetal organs. For example, yttrium-90, a decay product of strontium 90, can gravitate toward the pituitary gland. Overall, fetal irradiation during the second and third trimester has been linked to microcephaly (small head size), stunted growth and mental retardation, central nervous system defects, and behavioral changes. Exposure of the fetus to radiation during all stages of pregnancy increases the chances of developing leukemia and childhood cancers.

Young children also undergo more rapid cell division than adults, as do children in puberty. This rapid growth makes them very susceptible to radiation damage. Also at high risk are the elderly and chronically ill. These groups have weakened immune systems because of less active red bone marrow. Healthy immune systems can often isolate and remove damaged cells before malignancies develop. Older people generally have less vigorous immune systems; they have also generally experienced more radiation from both natural and human-made sources than young people, and thus may be more susceptible to additional exposure.

Women are also considered to be twice as sensitive to radiation as men because of their predominance in contracting breast and thyroid cancers.[However, radiation safety standards are set based on the assumption that everyone exposed is a healthy man in his 20s.]

Cancers shown to be initiated by radiation include leukemia, and cancers of the pancreas, lung, large intestine, thyroid, liver, and breast. Life-shortening anemia and other blood abnormalities, benign tumors, cataracts, and lowered fertility are other random effects attributed to radiation exposure.

more here: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/killing-unborn-radiation

Book mentioned above:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51iZ-G5jtNL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

[beefsteak]

Clear as a bell, this image and its message, courtesy of KYODO, accompanying April 16th article.

Really obvious the top is missing or else how would they be able to "extract a water sample container...through a large series of holes, yes? I've I'm not mistaken, that is the green overhead crane unit which extracts and lowers the "rods into and out of the fuel pools"

Caption states:

Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant
Handout photo taken on April 12, 2011, shows a container being pulled up after extracting a water sample from the spent nuclear fuel pool of the No. 4 reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, which has been crippled since the March 11 earthquake and tsunami. (Photo courtesy of Tokyo Electric Power Co.)(Kyodo)


http://english.kyodonews.jp/photos/assets/201104/0416003-thumbx300.jpg

Wouldn't it be nice if the Lid was blown off the truth and not just the "containment buildings?" Eng Arnie G stated just yesterday that it was 7 fuel pools in trouble, and 4 reactors. That was rather a shocking statement. Anybody else catch that?

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Update, 15-Apr-2011, 1700 UTC (Believe this to be USA April 14th, Noon, Thursday) Source is KYODO:




TOKYO, April 15, Kyodo

Nuclear fuel inside the reactors has partially melted and settled in granular form at the bottom of pressure vessels, according to an analysis by the Atomic Energy Society of Japan made public by [Japan's] Friday.

Kyodo reports, “A large buildup of melted nuclear fuel could transform into a molten mass so hot that it could damage the critical containers and eventually leak huge amounts of radioactive materials.”

Plutonium has been detected for the third time in soil samples taken at the complex. (They say, ‘small’ amounts – whatever that means)

TEPCO said it will throw sandbags containing zeolite, a mineral that absorbs radioactive materials, into the sea near the plant, possibly on Friday, to reduce the levels of contamination in the Pacific Ocean.

The U.S. Department of Energy is shipping five large stainless steel tanks for storing water contaminated with radioactive materials.

TOKYO, April 15, Kyodo

The levels of radioactive iodine and cesium in groundwater near the Nos. 1 and 2 reactors have increased up to several dozen times in one week, suggesting that toxic water has seeped from nearby reactor turbine buildings or elsewhere.

Please note the specific gravity of Zeolite:

http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/beefsteak_GIM/ZeoliteSpecificGravity.jpg

Here are other specific gravity comps from my hard drive: As crazychicken knows, we have to be conversant with these things in the world of mining.

General Ranges of SG For Soils.
Sand.......... 2.63 – 2.67;
Silt........... 2.65-2.7;
Clay & Silty Clay...... 2.67-2.9;
Organic Soils....... <2.0.

Good Grief!!! They are for SURE going to make sure this stuff reaches the rest of the world through the ocean currents. HEADSZUP WEST COAST!!!

[beefsteak]

Anybody got a calculator with enough "zeroes?"

How much absorbant Zeolite needs to be dumped at the 45ml per 100g to equal just the 11,500 TONS of radioactive water dumped last week.

This is not even speaking to how many thousands upon thousands of gallons that highly photographed leak was gushing into the ocean directly from that "maintenance chamber" BEFORE and DISGUISED BY the widely advertised 11.5K Ton dump into the ocean.

I can't get my head around numbers that big.

I know there are 454 grams to the avoirdupois pound, but, my mind kind of glazes over at that point.

Any math geewhiz to help us with conceptualizing the amount of floating/suspend zeolites actually going to be inserted into the ocean by TEPCO?

If we can come up with a reasonable extrapolated tonnage of Zeolites, then we will know instantly after TEPCO reports they dumped XYZ tons into the ocean, if their dump is more window dressing statistics, or just compounding the extent of the deadly radiation already in the ocean over the last 5 weeks.

Anyone conversant with tide charts and how to interpret them? Any sailors, like Solid out there who can find us a website that will track saltwater bearing zeolite currents to give the WC fisherman in particular a headszup. Then there is the west coast tourist trade. This just keeps getting better and better....NOT!

GOD HAVE MERCY!

[beefsteak]

The more thoughts swirling around, the more incredulous this latest TEPCO announcement seems:

Why on earth would they not add the zeolites to the collected water BEFORE dumping 11,500 TONS of radioactive water into the ocean, then filter out and remove the contaminated zeolite collectors and evap then bury them????

Throwing bags into the ocean is total and abject absurdity!!!!

This is absolutely UNBELIEVEABLE!

[lapis]

Quality coconut oil instead of butter is healthier as well.

Coconut oil does have lauric acid, but it doesn't have any vitamins or minerals.

High-quality butter contains:

Vitamin A
Vitamin D3
Vitamin K2
Conjugated Linoleic Acid (CLA)
Glycospingolipids, a special type of fatty acid that protect against gastro-intestinal infection.

This is what REAL butter looks like, as compared to store-bought (even a good one, like KerryGold which is to the right):

http://i53.tinypic.com/357ljbp.jpg

The one on the left is from a small farm in North Carolina. It is orange because of the vitamin A content. I left it out on the kitchen counter this winter for a week, and it didn't go bad at all. It had a rich taste. This is the kind of food that made America great.

[monty]

The more thoughts swirling around, the more incredulous this latest TEPCO announcement seems:

Why on earth would they not add the zeolites to the collected water BEFORE dumping 11,500 TONS of radioactive water into the ocean, then filter out and remove the contaminated zeolite collectors and evap then bury them????

Throwing bags into the ocean is total and abject absurdity!!!!

This is absolutely UNBELIEVEABLE!




Unfortunately this is the way most governments operate :(

[lapis]

Oh, but it gets better!


Tokyo plans to submit bid for 2020 Olympic Games (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympics/13029861.stm)

"Tokyo intends to bid for the 2020 Olympics as part of Japan's recovery from the devastating earthquake and tsunami which hit the country in March."

I don't know whether to

:ROFL:

or

:'(

[beefsteak]

This is all M.O.P.E. as Sinclair (JSMINESET) calls it....
Management
Of
Perception
Economics

In this day and age of the Internet, they are NOT going to get away with this M.O.P.E. strategy.

[beefsteak]

Sometimes good things happen when I decide to go shopping with the wife by actually getting out of the car and going in. That is what happened here. She has this aquarium shop she likes to go to for various supplies, especially when the airstones disintegrate or whatever. While she was shopping, I was looking around and spotted this. http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/beefsteak_GIM/3cartridgeunit.jpg

I never thought in my conservative budgeting in our senior years that we could do the "reverse osmosis thing" (please refer to the water treatment graphic higher up -page 39) and it not be a budget buster both as a plumber's bill, as well as "parts and accessories." I use one of the better quick connect water faucet connections using a garden hose "Y" and an adapter.
Yes, she lets me. :D

There at the end of the aisle, I spotted one of these units, still in its original box. The clerk said it had been there ever since he started working there several years ago, so the price was right. And an old man like me could actually install it. 24gpd 50gpd is way more than we use for drinking around here. So, it's going to last us a good long spell. Bought it last year. $160 bucks. ( I see Amazon has it for about $120-ish, new.)

I never would have thought that a "fish store" would have something like this we could adapt for drinking water use?

I hope this helps others who are struggling with their poisoned municipal water supply.

Here's what one guy had to say in response to a lady who couldn't get her washers installed properly, in order to hook it onto her household sink faucet.


Water pressure effects the efficiency of the R.O. device your leak is what lowered the pure water production. Most home units depend on a pressure of 45-60 psi the higher the better the efficiency some R.O. units won't work below 30 psi at all. If the waste water volume verses pure water remain too high I would recommend a De-ionizer. DI units have 100% efficiency and they are about 10x faster than most R.O. units. Aquarium Pharmaceuticals makes a "Tap Water Filter" De-ionizer that fits on your faucet it runs about $50-$70 dollars and the replacement filter cartridges cost about $20 (it comes with one). Depending on how dirty your tap water is it will produce between 40-250 gallons per cartridge the cartridge changes color as it is used up so you know when it needs to be changed.

PS...
My go-to solution for anything plastic which gets broken and is important to me, especially equipment associated with water...well, I use the following product:
http://www.rhinoglue.com/images/RhinoFixGlueKit.gif The putty is there on the right.

I buy it by the case around here. It's individually packaged well so it doesn't dry out easily. That way, I always have it handy for when something breaks...like I got mad at the George Foreman grill and banged it on the counter, breaking off one of the molded feet, taking it out of the stupid box in came in. I sucked up my pride and fixed'er right up before the night fell, much to the wife's relief. (Thank goodness it is a back foot I broke off ... I'd hate to look at that sucker every day and be reminded that I "lost it" over a stupid piece of cooking gear because she uses it alot.)

another chapter of life at my house. :D Hope the R.O. source/referral story helps someone else.

beefsteak

[midnight rambler]

The more thoughts swirling around, the more incredulous this latest TEPCO announcement seems:

Why on earth would they not add the zeolites to the collected water BEFORE dumping 11,500 TONS of radioactive water into the ocean, then filter out and remove the contaminated zeolite collectors and evap then bury them????

Throwing bags into the ocean is total and abject absurdity!!!!

This is absolutely UNBELIEVEABLE!




They merely took another page out of BP's playbook - this is no different than adding beau coup Corexist to the GoM to 'clean' it up.

[beefsteak]

midnight rambler,
you know something...I've been thinking about the similarities between the two soft kill disasters myself. I think you're onto something!
Thanks for your post. And they softened us up with Katrina, yes?

beefsteak

[solid]

I never would have thought that a "fish store" would have something like this we could adapt for drinking water use?

I hope this helps others who are struggling with their poisoned municipal water supply.


Beefsteak, is that a true reverse osmosis system? Would it work on sea water? You've got my very curious about adapting something like this to my situation. What are the power requirements of this type of r.o.? I'm sure it's 110, but if the amps are low enough it could be run through an inverter reasonably.

Heck, for that price I could buy 10 and it still wouldn't even come close to the cost of the "marine" systems.

[Antonio]

Can you believe that such liars can actually exist?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-12/geiger-counters-to-find-radiation-in-meals-may-be-meaningless-.html

The manual advises against using Geiger-Muller devices, known as Geiger counters, for measurements in food and drink because of their low sensitivity to gamma radiation.


PS. No, gamma radiation is very easy to detect, alpha is hard to detect but a good Geiger will have an alpha window.
Anyway, they trying to convince you that when radiation lands on edible stuff, it becomes hard to detect while when it`s on the ground or grass it`s easy to detect. The MSM media wants you to save $$ on buying a Geiger and spend it on good wholesome Fukushima spinach instead.

[midnight rambler]

Can you believe that such liars can actually exist?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-12/geiger-counters-to-find-radiation-in-meals-may-be-meaningless-.html

The manual advises against using Geiger-Muller devices, known as Geiger counters, for measurements in food and drink because of their low sensitivity to gamma radiation.


PS. No, gamma radiation is very easy to detect, alpha is hard to detect but a good Geiger will have an alpha window.
Anyway, they trying to convince you that when radiation lands on edible stuff, it becomes hard to detect while when it`s on the ground or grass it`s easy to detect. The MSM media wants you to save $$ on buying a Geiger and spend it on good wholesome Fukushima spinach instead.



Alpha particles are not present without beta and gamma particles also being present (from what Shane at KI4U.com told me), so any detector which reads beta and gamma will give you enough info to make intelligent choices - so long as that detector is a quality unit with enough sensitivity.

[Spectrism]

There are all different purities to RO water. They probably won't take out radioactive ions or salts. They may only get compounds with molecular weights greater than 200 or so.

Also, RO membranes have a shelf life of 6 months to a year. The membrane may be deteriorated. Contact the manufacturer and ask.

[Cobalt]

Dosimeters to be distributed to public schools

As radioactive substances continue to leak from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, the Japanese government has decided to distribute dosimeters to all public schools in Fukushima prefecture.



The Ministry of Education will deliver 1,700 dosimeters to public schools, in order to measure the amount of accumulated radiation for each location.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/17_02.html

[beefsteak]

I never would have thought that a "fish store" would have something like this we could adapt for drinking water use?

I hope this helps others who are struggling with their poisoned municipal water supply.


Beefsteak, is that a true reverse osmosis system? Would it work on sea water? You've got my very curious about adapting something like this to my situation. What are the power requirements of this type of r.o.? I'm sure it's 110, but if the amps are low enough it could be run through an inverter reasonably.

Heck, for that price I could buy 10 and it still wouldn't even come close to the cost of the "marine" systems.


Solid,
YES, it is a "true RP system." Instead of relying upon my visual recall, I should have gotten my tired bones out of the library and gone into the room where I have it hooked up to the water where it comes into the house! Sorry. I went back and updated the photo to reflect my unit up above, and upgraded the 24gpd to 50 gpd rating which is my unit. Sorry for my under-reporting.

The REST of the good news is, you don't need electricity to operate this. No inverter either. It is strictly water pressure driven. The unit I remember now that I plugged in was a stand-alone instant hot under the kitchen sink. Getting older, the mind is cluttered and I mess up sometimes.

Here's the 6pg .pdf on Pure-Flo II (3 canister RO System) http://www.marineandreef.com/v/vspfiles/pdf/CorRO3stnopump.pdf

Hope you understand why I responded to you in that other thread...I sensed some discouragement and wanted to help ease your mind. Check out the water treatment "wheel" again, and see where the RO fits into your understanding about your water circuit. Looks like you are going to have to figure out a storage container and a pump that operates at the psi these smaller RO's require to function properly. That, and some tucked away space where you can put onboard replacement canisters, membrane or 2, etc.

Yes, I am assuming you will put this AFTER your desalination unit/solar distiller.

Spectrism is saying very clearly what I understand as well...some radioactivity will volatilize and re-condense on the underside of the top of your solar distiller. That's not a net gain in the radioactivity treatment department, but solar distiller sure will remove the salt from the ocean water. And the 1 micron filter membrane plus the charcoal should reduce by several magnitudes the fallout particulate you can trap in this thing. Just please be thoughtful about where you dispose of your charcoal filter if you are "sailing on the west side." I'm still p.o.'ed at TEPCO for throwing in sandbags of zeolites into the ocean. All we need is more crap in the ocean, yes? You probably have seen some pretty messed up man-made polluting in your sailing experience, yes?

Getting into resin/ion exchange to effective radioactive treatment would be the next level as I understand Spectrism and what my now non-communicative, ticked-off go-to guy told me about removing radioactive fallout in your seawater.

If you notice, distillation is the last step in the 11 o'clock position of the water treatment wheel. That's where you are starting from since you're dealing with saltwater.

G/L and send GS-US a postcard. ;D

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Dosimeters to be distributed to public schools

As radioactive substances continue to leak from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, the Japanese government has decided to distribute dosimeters to all public schools in Fukushima prefecture.

The Ministry of Education will deliver 1,700 dosimeters to public schools, in order to measure the amount of accumulated radiation for each location.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/17_02.html


Can't help but wonder, Cobalt, if the school administrators will allow the kiddies to see the dosimeters, and teach them how to monitor them. I keep thinking about Antonio and the Civil Defense classes and no Geiger Counter except on the college level I think it was.

Radiation monitoring is now a way of life for the Japanese, and the decisions must be pretty harsh when it comes to discussing and dealing with poisoning ... AGAIN... in Japan.

And it ain't even close to being over yet.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

There are all different purities to RO water. They probably won't take out radioactive ions or salts. They may only get compounds with molecular weights greater than 200 or so.

Also, RO membranes have a shelf life of 6 months to a year. The membrane may be deteriorated. Contact the manufacturer and ask.


Thanks for reminding me about deterioration of the membrane, Spectrism. I'd forgotten all about needing to change out that canister until you just mentioned it. A BIG thank you. I'm surprised I found the paperwork that came with my unit last year. It was good to review it and I owe that to your post.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Now that Spectrism has done us all a major good deed/service who those of us who have water filtration and related items in our homes, let's go the rest of the way, and wash out good and replace Central Air filters, Window A/C filters, Swamp Cooler excelsior filters, Central Heat filters, Hepa Filters, Central or hand-operated vacuum cleaner filters and similar ilk in our lives.

Remember, the municipal water supplies in Oregon and Idaho were the first that EPA reported on their findings of 80x and up of I-131, and the 2 cesiums. Still makes me shudder that we are accumulating that much without any public health "announcements." Anything to keep the sheeple asleep-le, eh?

Once we catch that radioactive particulate, we probably should replace or clean them what.....quarterly, instead of annually?

Anyone want to weigh in on this? Any HVAC guys on here?

[beefsteak]

Continuing on the theme, I recall we just stocked up a bit on de-scaler solution for our home distiller. Might want to add that one to your prep t'do lists. I'm given to understand that anyone west of the Rockies has to deal with calcium carbonate build up in their water and on their faucets, etc., all the time anyhow, simply because of the geographic reality of so much calcium carbonate distributed by Mother Nature over there in the first place.

Oh, and while we're cleaning out filters, etc., remember to unscrew the gizmo on the end of the bathroom and kitchen and bar faucets in our homes, where the little rocks build up from both well and municipal water sourcings. That's what's usually at the bottom of when the water faucent starts spraying funny instead of being the normal steady water flow into our sinks and basins.

And while we're going through filtration maintenance in our homes, let's not forget our boats and RV's where we hang out as well at various times in our lives.

For just one example, I was reminded in the re-reading of my R.O. manual tonight, that when I change out the charcoal cartridge on that installed Pure-Flo II, I'm supposed to let it run through and then discard the first 10 gallons before even considering drinking the throughput for real.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Anyone want to place any bets????




TEPCO aims to achieve 'cold shutdown' for reactors in 6-9 months

TOKYO, April 17, Kyodo

Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Sunday that it aims to bring the damaged reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant to a stable condition known as a ''cold shutdown'' in about six to nine months, while restoring stable cooling to the reactors and spent fuel pools in about three months.

At a news conference in Tokyo, company Chairman Tsunehisa Katsumata announced the utility's schedule ''for the moment'' for bringing the complex in Fukushima Prefecture under control, while offering an apology for the ongoing nuclear crisis.

The utility, known as TEPCO, also said it needs three months to achieve ''steady reduction'' in radiation, and an additional three to six months to control radioactive emissions and curb radiation substantially.

It said it is addressing the immediate challenges of preventing hydrogen explosions at the Nos. 1 to 3 reactors and emission of water contaminated with high-level radiation from the No. 2 reactor.

It also said it will put special covers on the heavily damaged buildings of the Nos. 1, 3 and 4 reactors.

''We will do our utmost to curb the release of radioactive materials by achieving a stable cooling state at the reactors and spent fuel pools,'' Katsumata said.

He also said he will mull resigning to take responsibility for the nuclear disaster.

At a separate press conference, industry minister Banri Kaieda urged TEPCO to follow the restoration roadmap swiftly and steadily.

==Kyodo

So, we now know what we've all suspected...they have no intentions of burying these things. They want to re-use them, either for parts or whatever.

Cold shutdown would involve removing rods and placing them into the "fuel pools" if memory serves, yes?

NOW JUST HOW DO THEY EXPECT TO DO THAT WITH 3 reactors in full-meltdown --acc'd to Eng. Arnie G, -- and with MOX and U-238 pellets spilled out on the "floor?"

NOW THIS SHOULD BE A REAL PAGE TURNER!!!!!!!!!!!.... :taunt:

[Antonio]

Mega-thanks to Beefsteak for keeping this thread alive! It may become the biggest (and eeriest) on GSUS.
Burying the reactors Chernobyl style requires at least 500000 kamikazes and Japan which gave us the word has been softened by capitalism to the point of no return. Only totalitarian systems can adequately respond to nuclear war and this is a nuclear war.

[Neuro]

Mega-thanks to Beefsteak for keeping this thread alive! It may become the biggest (and eeriest) on GSUS.
Burying the reactors Chernobyl style requires at least 500000 kamikazes and Japan which gave us the word has been softened by capitalism to the point of no return. Only totalitarian systems can adequately respond to nuclear war and this is a nuclear war.
I totally agree re accolades for Beefsteak and this thread! Certainly a totalitarian system that deceives it's population may be better at responding quickly to a disaster of this magnitude, but commonly they are also the cause of the disaster to begin with. There was a piece here about Japans Nuclear Industry, and how it relates to old Japan WWII power structures.

[Antonio]

Mega-thanks to Beefsteak for keeping this thread alive! It may become the biggest (and eeriest) on GSUS.
Burying the reactors Chernobyl style requires at least 500000 kamikazes and Japan which gave us the word has been softened by capitalism to the point of no return. Only totalitarian systems can adequately respond to nuclear war and this is a nuclear war.
I totally agree re accolades for Beefsteak and this thread! Certainly a totalitarian system that deceives it's population may be better at responding quickly to a disaster of this magnitude, but commonly they are also the cause of the disaster to begin with. There was a piece here about Japans Nuclear Industry, and how it relates to old Japan WWII power structures.


Neuro, do you see a lesser level of deceit in the Jap situation than in Chernobyl? So far it seems to be on the par or even worse. They haven`t started to bury the damn things yet! All totalitarian systems promote nationalism, be they monarchies,NS or Stalinism. Capitalism destroys the national spirit and a nuclear situation requires unprecedented rabid nationalism to deal with it. No number of bayonets can make people who lost their nationalism sacrifice themselves on the scale that is needed. You see, death by a firing squad or bayonet is preferable to radiation sickness. If you don`t love your fellow people more than yourself you`ll fall on the bayonet if given the choice.

[Neuro]

Antonio, no I don't see a lesser level of deceit in Japan. I think the Japanese government is intentionally kept in the dark, by TEPCO, which is ruled by the old power elite, who is prepared to let millions of Japanese die, to come to government power again. I don't think they are any different than say Stalin, in being able to walk over dead bodies to get what they want. Possibly Stalin had higher altruistic motives though. I don't think we would have had this crisis if NDP had been in power...

[PatColo]

Secret Weapons Program Inside Fukushima Nuclear Plant? (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24275)
U.S.-Japan security treaty fatally delayed nuclear workers' fight against meltdown

by Yoichi Shimatsu

he was also on rense radio 4/11, free mp3:
http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_Shimatsu_041111.mp3

[gunDriller]

Secret Weapons Program Inside Fukushima Nuclear Plant? (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24275)
U.S.-Japan security treaty fatally delayed nuclear workers' fight against meltdown

by Yoichi Shimatsu

he was also on rense radio 4/11, free mp3:
http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_Shimatsu_041111.mp3


normally i avoid Rense BUT in this case, Japan's behavior is so odd that it leads me to wonder if they do have a secret weapons program at Fukushima.

these are the people who brought us the Walkman, the Prius, Toshiba, NEC, etc. - their entire country & economy is built on technological prowess ... since they have little in the way of natural resources.

but their completely bumbling response to the destruction of their nuclear power plants ... it's like all their good engineers died in the quake & tsunami. but we know that's not true - they still have millions of skilled physicist, mechanical engineers left - the same people you would turn to for help in cooling an out-of-control nuclear power plant (or 6 nuclear power plants and several radiation storage facilities.)

although it is purely a theory, to me it makes more sense that their response to the nuclear disaster is hobbled & hamstrung by the fact that they're hiding serious nuclear technology, than that they just "went stupid" ... after all those years of mastering semiconductor, nuclear, and related technologies.

[woodman]

There are 3 possibilities. Stupidity, conspiracy or a combination of both. I vote conspiracy. There is something going on here we are not privy to. The decision to built these monstrosities on a fault zone that has proven itself in the past, just about every generation, to generate super powerfull earthquakes and sunamis is beyond stupidity. I just cannot fathom it. Add to this fact, the enormous amount of 'spent' fuel stored directly above the reactors and it leaves the ponderer thinking "irrational decision by those in charge." But those in charge have shown themselves to be cold and calculating.

[Cobalt]

TEPCO issues 6-9 month containment plan

The operator of the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant has issued a schedule for putting the crisis under control in 6 to 9 months.

The chairman of Tokyo Electric Power Company, Tsunehisa Katsumata, explained the plan at a news conference on Sunday.

The utility firm said a two-phase process is scheduled.
In the first stage over the next 3 months, it will build new cooling systems outside the Number 1 and 3 reactor buildings to cool down the nuclear fuel, and to ensure that radiation levels around the plant continue to decline.

The company says it will contain the radioactivity leakage from the Number 2 reactor by patching the damaged section.

In the second stage, TEPCO plans to lower the temperature of the nuclear fuel in the reactors to below 100 degrees Celsius to stabilize its condition.

The firm says the cooling will considerably lower the radiation levels in the environment around the plant.

The two-phases will be completed in 6 to 9 months.

The firm also plans to cover the reactor buildings with giant covers with filters to prevent the release of radioactive substances into the air.

It will also set up equipment to purify the contaminated water in tanks and other facilities.

At the same time, the company will increase the number of monitoring points within the government-set evacuation areas. It will use the data to neutralize the radioactive substances in soil and on buildings.

Sunday, April 17, 2011 16:35 +0900 (JST)

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/17_15.html

[Son-of-Liberty]

TEPCO issues 6-9 month containment plan

The operator of the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant has issued a schedule for putting the crisis under control in 6 to 9 months.

The chairman of Tokyo Electric Power Company, Tsunehisa Katsumata, explained the plan at a news conference on Sunday.

The utility firm said a two-phase process is scheduled.
In the first stage over the next 3 months, it will build new cooling systems outside the Number 1 and 3 reactor buildings to cool down the nuclear fuel, and to ensure that radiation levels around the plant continue to decline.

The company says it will contain the radioactivity leakage from the Number 2 reactor by patching the damaged section.

In the second stage, TEPCO plans to lower the temperature of the nuclear fuel in the reactors to below 100 degrees Celsius to stabilize its condition.

The firm says the cooling will considerably lower the radiation levels in the environment around the plant.

The two-phases will be completed in 6 to 9 months.

The firm also plans to cover the reactor buildings with giant covers with filters to prevent the release of radioactive substances into the air.

It will also set up equipment to purify the contaminated water in tanks and other facilities.

At the same time, the company will increase the number of monitoring points within the government-set evacuation areas. It will use the data to neutralize the radioactive substances in soil and on buildings.

Sunday, April 17, 2011 16:35 +0900 (JST)

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/17_15.html



WTF!!

Starting to get the impression that gulf oil spill and Fuck-you-shima are/were being made worse on purpose, the level of incompetence is beyond what I am willing to believe. That only leaves intentional.

[gunDriller]

once again, although i may hold the 9-11 and reality-based news gatekeepers in low regard, they do present information that can save your life.

i had the webcast on while i was doing some cleaning, and the one thing that came through loud & and clear - however much milk you want to drink during the next 5 to 10 years, if you want to consume those dairy products without consuming radiation, you need to stockpile it now.

so far the best low-cost dairy products i've found that don't require refrigeration -
Great Value Parmesan cheese, 1 pound for about $3
evaporated milk, 12 ounces cans ~ $1

what i guess i'll be buying soon is some powdered milk. never had much taste for it, but i guess it's time to try it.

i also think that learning to keep dairy animals indoors is a damn good idea. this could get a little wierd, e.g. you keep a goat, what do you feed it when you run out of food scraps ? sprouted wheat ? there's some appeal to the idea, it's like that old sitcom "Mr. Ed" (the talking horse) ... until you have to deal with the smell.

i think setting up outbuildings in addition to greenhouses, to allow cultivation of food in a virtually sealed area, a la the Space Shuttle, will become a part of survival.

http://www.unthinkable.biz/UserFiles/Image/Q1 2011/Moonbase Alpha.JPG

a sketch of what our future will look like, with the indigenous flora & fauna removed from the picture. the areas outside the residence & toolshed & greenhouse & work areas are free to have radiation rain fall on them. they haven't lost all utility - you can grow sunflowers for biodiesel on an area that receives radiation rain and it will still be useful for biodiesel.

of course, nature for the most part will continue. just as the area around Chernobyl has become like a wild animal park - complete with tigers, our outdoor areas will have in them -
* people who aren't concerned about radiation
* old fashioned flora & fauna, with a little extra radiation to induce mutations. and for sure, localized die-offs, e.g. when dolphins eat radiation fish.

i wonder if 20 years from now, sushi tuna will be cultivated in large indoor tanks, eaten by rich people who are willing to pay $1000 a pound for radiation free tuna.

[Antonio]

Nuclear power in a "democracy" is like a 5yr old girl behind the controls of a fighter plane. Democracy is simply emasculating a nation.
Having nuclear power means that it`s only a matter of time before the nation will have a gigantic accident. The cleanup will require both fervent nationalism and draconian measures. Refusing to clean up a nuke accident means that it is allowed to progress to a much bigger problem than it would be in a totalitarian state. We are now watching not a nuclear catastrophe but a political and spiritual.
The Geiger clicks are measuring not so much the nuclear decay in Japan but her spiritual decay.
You can`t be a society of hedonistic greedy consumers who forgot your glorious ancestors and play God at the same time. Having nuclear power is playing God and democracies make sure their people degenerate to subhuman level.
God save us from subhumans with plutonium 239.
PS. None of this applies to those working on the reactors right now, they are probably the only ones worthy to be called Japanese today.

[beefsteak]

Sounds like Morgan Stanley believes the rumor that Toyko (capital city of Japan) is being moved (to Osaka, or Onagawa?)

This certainly affects the USA, and not just WESTERN USA... Turning Keys over to Blackstone is just one step removed from handing keys to Bernake. After all, Blackstone is Helo Ben's go-to money manager.

Chicago Tribune.


Morgan Stanley fund fails to repay debt on Tokyo property
Junko Fujita

12:31 p.m. CDT, April 15, 2011

TOKYO (Reuters) - A Morgan Stanley property fund failed to make $3.3 billion (yen: 274,296,000,000 ) in debt payments by a deadline on Friday, handing over the keys to a central Tokyo office building to Blackstone and other investors, the largest repayment failure of its kind in Japan.

It marks the latest fallout from a series of highly leveraged investments by Morgan Stanley, one of the most aggressive investors in worldwide property markets before the global financial crisis.

The $4.2 billion MSREF V real estate fund missed its April 15 deadline to repay 278 billion yen($3.3 billion) worth of debt packaged in commercial mortgage-backed securities on the 32-storey Shinagawa Grand Central Tower, a property which has seen its value plunge, two people involved in the transaction said.

They spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the matter.

A Morgan Stanley spokeswoman in Tokyo declined to comment. A New York based spokesman for Blackstone, which holds the most junior portion of the debt and gains the right to market the building for seven months, was not immediately available for comment.

This is the largest repayment failure of debt packaged in CMBS in Japan, according to analysts and industry experts, bigger than the 112 billion yen that real estate investor K.K. daVinci Holdings failed to pay on the Pacific Century Place office building.

MSREF V bought the Shinagawa property for 140 billion yen in 2004 from Mitsubishi Corp and Mitsubishi Motors . The building now houses Microsoft's Japan offices among other tenants.

Morgan Stanley repackaged the loans into 125 billion yen worth of CMBS in 2005, according to a website for Morgan Stanley.

Taking advantage of a run-up in property prices, MSREF V refinanced its debt on the Shinagawa property in 2007 with new debt worth 278 billion yen, twice the value of its purchase and likely yielding a tidy profit for the fund.

The refinanced debt was sold in six different tranches by Morgan Stanley to investors.

(Reporting by Junko Fujita; Editing by Edwina Gibbs and Nathan Layne)

(M-S) Shinagawa property images/photos: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Shinagawa_Grandcommons

(daVinci) Pacific Century 32 Story property default here: http://www.emporis.com/building/pacificcenturyplace-tokyo-japan
(http://www.emporis.com/building/pacificcenturyplace-tokyo-japan)

[solid]

YES, it is a "true RP system." Instead of relying upon my visual recall, I should have gotten my tired bones out of the library and gone into the room where I have it hooked up to the water where it comes into the house! Sorry. I went back and updated the photo to reflect my unit up above, and upgraded the 24gpd to 50 gpd rating which is my unit. Sorry for my under-reporting.

The REST of the good news is, you don't need electricity to operate this. No inverter either. It is strictly water pressure driven. The unit I remember now that I plugged in was a stand-alone instant hot under the kitchen sink. Getting older, the mind is cluttered and I mess up sometimes.

Here's the 6pg .pdf on Pure-Flo II (3 canister RO System) http://www.marineandreef.com/v/vspfiles/pdf/CorRO3stnopump.pdf

Hope you understand why I responded to you in that other thread...I sensed some discouragement and wanted to help ease your mind. Check out the water treatment "wheel" again, and see where the RO fits into your understanding about your water circuit. Looks like you are going to have to figure out a storage container and a pump that operates at the psi these smaller RO's require to function properly. That, and some tucked away space where you can put onboard replacement canisters, membrane or 2, etc.

Yes, I am assuming you will put this AFTER your desalination unit/solar distiller.
G/L and send GS-US a postcard. ;D

beefsteak


Beefsteak...many thanks for this info!!! |--0--| My current water pressure system operates with an accumulator tank at 20 psi..but, the pump is at 45 psi, so if I remove the accumulator it looks like I could plumb this R.O system right into the boat. Yes, and store many filters for it.

I've been looking into your question regarding ocean currents, and reviewing some of my books on the currents here on the west coast. I've found online and attached a couple of photos..the first one, which is pretty cool, shows all the major currents of every ocean.

I've learned a few things here, but if you look at the currents coming from Japan, it's a warm tropical current that heads directly west. So, it looks like the radiation spewing into the ocean, if gets into the current would head towards us. But, there's a cold current that comes down from alaska, called the California current. You'll see that the warm current does not reach the west coast directly, but gets diverted towards hawaii. The reason why, I don't know, but my guess is that the cold currently is a faster moving current.

I guess it really depends upon how much radiation gets into the current system, and how it gets dispersed. I was unable to find the speed of the currents online, but guessing at about 2 knots.

The second photo, shows the north pacific high pressure system, which is quite large. That's a dead zone for winds, so depending upon what time of year the system can get quite large. This time of year, the system is farther south than the westerly winds carrying from Japan. However, the north pacific high could provide a buffer or sorts to the west coast and it should be moving north by the day.

In fact, in one of my sailing books I found a route directly from Japan to San Francisco that skirts south of the north pacific high pressure system, the best time to take this route is in august, and the distance is 4569 nautical miles.

Now, back to say a 2 knot current, that would be 48 km per day, divided into a distance of 4569, it would take 95 days for the radiation to make it's way here, depending upon that cold current coming from the north, and how interacts. The radiation may just head all the way down to mexico before reaching the coast of land.

Again, I don't know, I could be way off base here...but this is my understanding. Also, I pulled that 2 knot speed of the current as a best guess, I could not find how fast the currents are at what times of year.

Sorry for the long post..

[beefsteak]

THANK YOU, Solid.

I was trying to read the "small print words" at the top of your global currents map. Is that for January only?
And we should see something different on one that says, "March, April, or May?"

I've never seen anything like those before. Those are terrific!!

EDIT: Just found this one on Wiki...I just inserted the Box denoting Japan's Location. My wife just commented that perhaps the biggest potential for impact of the floating zeolites containing radionuclides would possibly be the 2 primary places on the west coast where the tsunami was the worst...Crescent City, Northern California, and in and around Waldport, OR.

I think if I had a boat moored in either of those 2 locations, I'd move elsewhere with it. Nothing like scraping off radioactive barnacles, eh, sailor Solid?

http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/beefsteak_GIM/GLOBALWATERCURRENTSWiki.jpg
If you wish to see a larger image (without the Japan highlighting)...here's the link:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Corrientes-oceanicas.gif

beefsteak

[Serpo]

Leuren Moret is a Nuclear Power whistleblower who is telling all who will listen about the dangers of Nuclear Power. Like playing with fire... mankind has not learned as can be seen in the engineering mistakes made in building the Fukushima Plant in Japan. Nuclear radiation is very dangerous and we will be stuck with the consequences for a long time to come. There are certain measures you can take to protect yourself. Listen as she explains.


First one is for an hour and second 2 hours

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOYhZlEf5gI&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be0ow2Jjs9E&feature=youtu.be

[solid]

My wife just commented that perhaps the biggest potential for impact of the floating zeolites containing radionuclides would possibly be the 2 primary places on the west coast where the tsunami was the worst...Crescent City, Northern California, and in and around Waldport, OR.

I think if I had a boat moored in either of those 2 locations, I'd move elsewhere with it. Nothing like scraping off radioactive barnacles, eh, sailor Solid?


It's my understanding that tsunamis are a wave of energy upon the ocean, why they travel so fast, there's no actual movement of water until that energy hits the shallow coast. Based upon the direction of that energy, is what determines how waves are formed and what areas get smacked the hardest.

Currents, being the physical movement of water, the conveyor belt, are a bit different than that. So, it's hard to say what areas would get the most radiation. If the radiation does get into the California current, the whole coast will be in deep trouble.

If found this article, I was wrong about the cold coastal current being faster, the north pacific current, coming from Japan west, is stronger. The max speed is 3.6 kilometers per hour, which should be around 1.5-2 nautical miles per hours.

Also, the time of year does affect the direction and speed of the currents, but (from my understanding) not too much. Since the westerlies that drive the currents remain constant, there's changes, but as a general rule they are fairly constant.

Here's a couple quotes from the article...

“Debris generated by the Japanese earthquake and tsunami is almost certain to follow the prevailing currents to Canada’s west coast — but it could take two years to arrive.”

”From mid-March the North Pacific Current maintained a width of over 100 kilometers and moved at a maximum of 1 meters per second toward the North American Continent.”

http://highboldtage.wordpress.com/2011/03/21/the-north-pacific-gyre/

[beefsteak]

That certainly sounds hopeful, Solid. Thanks for your continued work on this ocean currents and radiation topic. Very valuable input. I'm sure all west coasters on here are appreciative to you, and not just us who have loved ones on the west coast already breathing this nasty stuff.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Wonder if Paul Fusco (photog) is going to be along long enough to record in stark, B&W photo essay what he did post Chernobyl? If you have time, here's about a 30sec photo essay. The camera lens isn't lying.

http://inmotion.magnumphotos.com/essay/chernobyl

With apologies to Antonio if this brings up too many unpleasant memories for him. You're a good man, Antonio. Please continue to help us wrap our minds around what has happened to us here in USA, and not just in Japan. I found your philosophical thoughts shared on this thread earlier today, to be very thought provoking. Thanks.

beefsteak

[solid]

That certainly sounds hopeful, Solid. Thanks for your continued work on this ocean currents and radiation topic. Very valuable input. I'm sure all west coasters on here are appreciative to you, and not just us who have loved ones on the west coast already breathing this nasty stuff.

beefsteak


We all very much appreciate your valuable posts in this thread. It's tough to read about, honestly, but good to know where we stand.

Regarding the currents, to sum what I've read..

The good news is that it looks like the radiation in the ocean would be contained in the north pacific for the most part, and will take time to get to the west coast. The bad news is that it could wipe out the whole north pacific ocean, if there's enough dumped into the ocean. I read it could take hundreds of years for any water to make it to the Atlantic. However, the Atlantic has the gulf oil disaster.

Some of us are running out of places to go. I may end up moored in Chile. :(

[Serpo]

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_Shimatsu_041111.mp3



http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24275

[sirgonzo420]

That certainly sounds hopeful, Solid. Thanks for your continued work on this ocean currents and radiation topic. Very valuable input. I'm sure all west coasters on here are appreciative to you, and not just us who have loved ones on the west coast already breathing this nasty stuff.

beefsteak


We all very much appreciate your valuable posts in this thread. It's tough to read about, honestly, but good to know where we stand.

Regarding the currents, to sum what I've read..

The good news is that it looks like the radiation in the ocean would be contained in the north pacific for the most part, and will take time to get to the west coast. The bad news is that it could wipe out the whole north pacific ocean, if there's enough dumped into the ocean. I read it could take hundreds of years for any water to make it to the Atlantic. However, the Atlantic has the gulf oil disaster.

Some of us are running out of places to go. I may end up moored in Chile. :(


That's cool that you can pretty much up and move to South America at the drop of a hat compared to many GSUSers.

To have that ability is pretty damn awesome.

[beefsteak]

Serpo,

thanks for that Shimatsu from Hong Kong interview link you posted, http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_Shimatsu_041111.mp3

I heard something there that kinda set me back on my heels. And I heard a phrase I'm not conversant with, and hope someone helps me out with.

First, the deemed reliable Shimatsu report from a "body recovery worker" of his personal acquaintance, who stated the following: 40km from F. the [dosimeters] levels have already maxed out.

And here, TEPCO is so generously paying $12,000 per family inside the what, first 10km ring around F.?
And they are now "discussing extending the evacuation from 20km to 30 km.?" Sounds like the US Navy getting the flock outta Dodge and moving to 50km out within I believe it under a week after 3/11?

It's becoming more and more apparent in my mind, that TEPCO is all about the money. If they have to expand the evac zone, then they have to expand their "payout zone."

Doesn't sound like TEPCO thinks their Japanese neighbors are worth very much. That's disgusting and sad to me.

The second thing was Rense and Shimatsu were talking about "if he, Shimatsu was still seeing the black current?" I googled that term and came up empty handed. Anyone else know what that is? All I can think of is the agglomerated tsunami rubble/mess that is afloat out there in the Pacific.

Thanks for any help on that one. That was a only 24 mins long to listen, Serpo.
Thanks for the link. I know I'd much rather hear from people than from talking heads and paid mouthpieces from Japanese Govt and/or TEPCO.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Just now finished your second link, Serpo. SO, THAT is the Shimatsu, Rense interviewed in your first linked mp3.

What a case for America's unseen hand. The US-Japan Security Treaty. I'm going to google to see which lame-brained so called "President" put that together....Any guesses?

Here's what Shimatsu wrote.


Secret Weapons Program Inside Fukushima Nuclear Plant?
U.S.-Japan security treaty fatally delayed nuclear workers' fight against meltdown

by Yoichi Shimatsu
Global Research, April 12, 2011
Fourth Media (China) - 2011-04-11


Confused and often conflicting reports out of Fukushima 1 nuclear plant cannot be solely the result of tsunami-caused breakdowns, bungling or mis-communication. Inexplicable delays and half-baked explanations from Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) and the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry (METI) seem to be driven by some unspoken factor.

The smoke and mirrors at Fukushima 1 seem to obscure a steady purpose, an iron will and a grim task unknown to outsiders. The most logical explanation: The nuclear industry and government agencies are scrambling to prevent the discovery of atomic-bomb research facilities hidden inside Japan's civilian nuclear power plants.

A secret nuclear weapons program is a ghost in the machine, detectable only when the system of information control momentarily lapses or breaks down. A close look must be taken at the gap between the official account and unexpected events.



Conflicting Reports

TEPCO, Japan’s nuclear power operator, initially reported three reactors were operating at the time of the March 11 Tohoku earthquake and tsunami. Then a hydrogen explosion ripped Unit 3, run on plutonium-uranium mixed oxide (or MOX). Unit 6 immediately disappeared from the list of operational reactors, as highly lethal particles of plutonium billowed out of Unit 3. Plutonium is the stuff of smaller, more easily delivered warheads.

A fire ignited inside the damaged housing of the Unit 4 reactor, reportedly due to overheating of spent uranium fuel rods in a dry cooling pool. But the size of the fire indicates that this reactor was running hot for some purpose other than electricity generation. Its omission from the list of electricity-generating operations raises the question of whether Unit 4 was being used to enrich uranium, the first step of the process leading to extraction of weapons-grade fissionable material.

The bloom of irradiated seawater across the Pacific comprises another piece of the puzzle, because its underground source is untraceable (or, perhaps, unmentionable). The flooded labyrinth of pipes, where the bodies of two missing nuclear workers—never before disclosed to the press— were found, could well contain the answer to the mystery: a lab that none dare name.


Political Warfare

In reaction to Prime Minister Naoto Kan's demand for prompt reporting of problems, the pro-nuclear lobby has closed ranks, fencing off and freezing out the prime minister's office from vital information. A grand alliance of nuclear proponents now includes TEPCO, plant designer General Electric, METI, the former ruling Liberal Democratic Party and, by all signs, the White House.

Cabinet ministers in charge of communication and national emergencies recently lambasted METI head Banri Kaeda for acting as both nuclear promoter and regulator in charge of the now-muzzled Nuclear and Industrial Safety Commission. TEPCO struck back quickly, blaming the prime minister's helicopter fly-over for delaying venting of volatile gases and thereby causing a blast at Reactor 2. For "health reasons,” TEPCO 's president retreated to a hospital ward, cutting Kan's line of communication with the company and undermining his site visit to Fukushima 1.

Kan is furthered hampered by his feud with Democratic Party rival Ichiro Ozawa, the only potential ally with the clout to challenge the formidable pro-nuclear coalition

The head of the Liberal Democrats, which sponsored nuclear power under its nearly 54-year tenure, has just held confidential talks with U.S. Ambassador John Roos, while President Barack Obama was making statements in support of new nuclear plants across the U.S.

Cut Off From Communications

The substance of undisclosed talks between Tokyo and Washington can be surmised from disruptions to my recent phone calls to a Japanese journalist colleague. While inside the radioactive hot zone, his roaming number was disconnected, along with the mobiles of nuclear workers at Fukushima 1 who are denied phone access to the outside world. The service suspension is not due to design flaws. When helping to prepare the Tohoku crisis response plan in 1996, my effort was directed at ensuring that mobile base stations have back-up power with fast recharge.

A subsequent phone call when my colleague returned to Tokyo went dead when I mentioned "GE.” That incident occurred on the day that GE’s CEO Jeff Immelt landed in Tokyo with a pledge to rebuild the Fukushima 1 nuclear plant. Such apparent eavesdropping is only possible if national phone carrier NTT is cooperating with the signals-intercepts program of the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA).


The Manchurian Deal

The chain of events behind this vast fabrication goes back many decades.

During the Japanese militarist occupation of northeast China in the 1930s, the puppet state of Manchukuo was carved out as a fully modern economic powerhouse to support overpopulated Japan and its military machine. A high-ranking economic planner named Nobusuke Kishi worked closely with then commander of the occupying Kanto division, known to the Chinese as the Kwantung Army, General Hideki Tojo.

Close ties between the military and colonial economists led to stunning technological achievements, including the prototype of a bullet train (or Shinkansen) and inception of Japan's atomic bomb project in northern Korea. When Tojo became Japan's wartime prime minister, Kishi served as his minister of commerce and economy, planning for total war on a global scale.

After Japan's defeat in 1945, both Tojo and Kishi were found guilty as Class-A war criminals, but Kishi evaded the gallows for reasons unknown—probably his usefulness to a war-ravaged nation. The scrawny economist’s conception of a centrally managed economy provided the blueprint for MITI (Ministry of International Trade and Industry), the predecessor of METI, which created the economic miracle that transformed postwar Japan into an economic superpower.

After clawing his way into the good graces of Cold Warrior John Foster Dulles, Eisenhower's secretary of state, Kishi was elected prime minister in 1957. His protégé Yasuhiro Nakasone, the former naval officer and future prime minister, spearheaded Japan's campaign to become a nuclear power under the cover of the Atomic Energy Basic Law.


American Complicity

Kishi secretly negotiated a deal with the White House to permit the U.S. military to store atomic bombs in Okinawa and Atsugi naval air station outside Tokyo. (Marine corporal Lee Harvey Oswald served as a guard inside Atsugi's underground warhead armory.) In exchange, the U.S. gave the nod for Japan to pursue a "civilian" nuclear program.

Secret diplomacy was required due to the overwhelming sentiment of the Japanese public against nuclear power in the wake of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombings. Two years ago, a text of the secret agreement was unearthed by Katsuya Okada, foreign minister in the cabinet of the first Democratic Party prime minister, Yukio Hatoyama (who served for nine months from 2009-10).

Many key details were missing from this document, which had been locked inside the Foreign Ministry archives. Retired veteran diplomat Kazuhiko Togo disclosed that the more sensitive matters were contained in brief side letters, some of which were kept in a mansion frequented by Kishi's half-brother, the late Prime Minister Eisaku Sato (who served from 1964-72). Those most important diplomatic notes, Togo added, were removed and subsequently disappeared.

These revelations were considered a major issue in Japan, yet were largely ignored by the Western media. With the Fukushima nuclear plant going up in smoke, the world is now paying the price of that journalistic neglect.

On his 1959 visit to Britain, Kishi was flown by military helicopter to the Bradwell nuclear plant in Essex. The following year, the first draft of the U.S.-Japan security was signed, despite massive peace protests in Tokyo. Within a couple of years, the British firm GEC built Japan's first nuclear reactor at Tokaimura, Ibaragi Prefecture. At the same time, just after the 1964 Tokyo Olympics, the newly unveiled Shinkansen train gliding past Mount Fuji provided the perfect rationale for nuclear-sourced electricity.

Kishi uttered the famous statement that "nuclear weapons are not expressly prohibited" under the postwar Constitution's Article 9 prohibiting war-making powers. His words were repeated two years ago by his grandson, then Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. The ongoing North Korea "crisis" served as a pretext for this third-generation progeny of the political elite to float the idea of a nuclear-armed Japan. Many Japanese journalists and intelligence experts assume the secret program has sufficiently advanced for rapid assembly of a warhead arsenal and that underground tests at sub-critical levels have been conducted with small plutonium pellets.


Sabotaging Alternative Energy

The cynical attitude of the nuclear lobby extends far into the future, strangling at birth the Japanese archipelago's only viable source of alternative energy—offshore wind power. Despite decades of research, Japan has only 5 percent of the wind energy production of China, an economy (for the moment, anyway) of comparable size. Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, a nuclear-power partner of Westinghouse, manufactures wind turbines but only for the export market.

The Siberian high-pressure zone ensures a strong and steady wind flow over northern Japan, but the region's utility companies have not taken advantage of this natural energy resource. The reason is that TEPCO, based in Tokyo and controlling the largest energy market, acts much as a shogun over the nine regional power companies and the national grid. Its deep pockets influence high bureaucrats, publishers and politicians like Tokyo Governor Shintaro Ishihara, while nuclear ambitions keep the defense contractors and generals on its side. Yet TEPCO is not quite the top dog. Its senior partner in this mega-enterprise is Kishi's brainchild, METI.

The national test site for offshore wind is unfortunately not located in windswept Hokkaido or Niigata, but farther to the southeast, in Chiba Prefecture. Findings from these tests to decide the fate of wind energy won't be released until 2015. The sponsor of that slow-moving trial project is TEPCO.


Death of Deterrence

Meanwhile in 2009, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) issued a muted warning on Japan's heightened drive for a nuclear bomb— and promptly did nothing. The White House has to turn a blind eye to the radiation streaming through American skies or risk exposure of a blatant double standard on nuclear proliferation by an ally. Besides, Washington's quiet approval for a Japanese bomb doesn't quite sit well with the memory of either Pearl Harbor or Hiroshima.

In and of itself, a nuclear deterrence capability would be neither objectionable nor illegal— in the unlikely event that the majority of Japanese voted in favor of a constitutional amendment to Article 9. Legalized possession would require safety inspections, strict controls and transparency of the sort that could have hastened the Fukushima emergency response. Covert weapons development, in contrast, is rife with problems. In the event of an emergency, like the one happening at this moment, secrecy must be enforced at all cost— even if it means countless more hibakusha, or nuclear victims.

Instead of enabling a regional deterrence system and a return to great-power status, the Manchurian deal planted the time bombs now spewing radiation around the world. The nihilism at the heart of this nuclear threat to humanity lies not inside Fukushima 1, but within the national security mindset. The specter of self-destruction can be ended only with the abrogation of the U.S.-Japan security treaty, the root cause of the secrecy that fatally delayed the nuclear workers' fight against meltdown.

Yoichi Shimatsu who is Editor-at-large with the 4th Media is a Hong Kong–based environmental writer. He is the former editor of the Japan Times Weekly. This article is first appeared in the New American Media.

Yoichi Shimatsu is a frequent contributor to Global Research.
More Global Research Articles by Yoichi Shimatsu at the following link:http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=listByAuthor&authorFirst=Yoichi&authorName=Shimatsu

[beefsteak]

Shudda known...This treaty was signed Jan 19, 1960, the last year of the 2nd Term of Gen Dwight David Eisenhower. Yes, the same DDE that stood aside while the Saudis, et al nationalized all the US Built Oil Refineries in the Mid - East, for reasons I still haven't figured out.

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/66150/george-r-packard/the-united-states-japan-security-treaty-at-50

I can hear our dead and wounded at Pearl Harbor rolling over in their graves now. This is beyond sickening.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

FINALLY, an Insider Truth Teller, none other than: Dr. Saji- former Secretariat of Japan's Nuclear Safety Commission. And this is LONG. But it is an accurate, Insider TIMELINE from Time of Disaster & Tsunami.

Released 4/16 In the evening.


Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 20:31:37 +0900

Subject: Earthquake (36)

From: Genn Saji

Dear Colleagues:

36th day!

Today let me start with how the workers are engaging in the mitigation actions at the site of Fukushima Daiichi.
A reporter of the Mainichi visited to the battlefront base for recovery operations. The front base was a national soccer training center (J-Village), which has 11 soccer fields and is one of the largest in Japan. The field is now filled with operational vehicles. In front of the Main Building entrance, a huge piles of radiation protection coveralls/suites and masks are left to avoid bringing in contamination into the building. In the building, many temporary offices are installed. At the back, many temporary toilets with sewage tank are installed.

In the central building, a group of workers were sitting in a ring, listening to the detailed work plan to be performed, as well as instructions to minimize radiation risks. Nearby, tired workers were taking a nap by embracing his knees. On the walls, may yelling letters are posted. TEPCO staffs in blue working suits and members of Self Defense Force passes by all in a hurry. The vehicles returned from the site is decontaminated by water shower. As many as 40 vehicles are decontaminated every day. However, some of the contaminations are so high that these vehicles have to be placed for temporary storage, waiting for decay of radioactivity.

The names and his companies are marked by felt pens in the back of their radiation protection coveralls/suites for those workers going into the site. Some of their markings are showing Cheer up Nuclear Energy, appealing his pride in the risky work. Mr. Koujiro Bando (63) of a construction company volunteered to participate since April 1. He is constructing temporary storage tanks. He was saying I volunteered to participate in this activities to Save Japan. I do not care whether I get payment or not. At the same time, some complaints were released from a young worker (28), complaining that TEPCO has not decided the amount of reward yet, in spite of his risky work.

A 57 years old worker, who has a lot of experience in leaky water, is currently working for stopping the water leakage at the pit. This is the first time he ever worked in nuclear power plants. His working time is limited to just 3 hours a day, by leaching his daily limit of radiation protection. I would never come here if it is just a job. This is my mission, he mentioned.



I. Stop that leak!

(1) Pit water situation

Even after transferring 660 tons of the highly contaminated water from 1F2 pit, the water level has now increased to 88.5 cm from the previous 91 cm. The water level is increasing by 2-3 cm a day. TEPCO is struggling to prepare Centralized Waste Processing Facility, by checking cracks in concrete, applying water leak stopping chemicals (water-glass) into the nearby soil. Their projection is that the facility should be available by Monday, next week. The ground water seepage problem is going to become more difficult when this part of the country goes into a rainy season, an average arrival time in this district is June 10 to July 23, although it may either advance or delay several days easily. It is very prudent to transfer all of the highly contaminated water before arrival of the rainy season to reduce radiation risks as low as reasonably achievable. In the future, a total radiation risk consideration may become necessary, in case of unavoidable situations.

The underground water level should be kept below the lowest floor level of the plant, below OP-2.06 (more preferably OP-3.36 which corresponds to the lowest level of the suppression pool room) which corresponds to the lowest level (except for the suppression pool room) of the reactor building. This level correspond to GL-12.06m. It appears that the current level of the underground water has already exceeded this level.



II. Urgent processing of highly contaminated water

TEPCO announced early this morning that a design work for urgent construction of two kinds of water treatment and recirculation facilities. Their goal is to decontaminate as pure as raw water, to be used for recirculation of the water cooling. They plan to construct such a facility within several months. The new system consists of processing of high level contamination (HA) and low level (LA/VLA) contamination water.

In their initial planning, for HA activation, a combination of a sorption material such as zeolite and chemicals for promotion of precipitation is being postulated. This is followed with a low level decontamination using an ion exchange resin filter.

Well, it is nice to see them start designing, since I have worked with SGN/CEA very closely at the time I was an engineering manager of the Rokkasho-mura Spent Fuel Reprocessing Plant Project, however, I doubt it is the right approach. As Dr. Ko-ichi Nakamura of AIST, my friend and a very capable marine geologist, concluded that direct sorption reaction may not be effective for decontamination. It is necessary to first remove major salts from the highly contaminated water, before attempting to apply sorption materials. The idea of applying ion exchange resin is a standard technology used widely in nuclear power plants, however, they are intended to work only in waters used in power plants, not in the water containing a high amount of salts induced from sea water. I request AREVA to work closely with other organizations who have good experience in desalination technologies.

This conclusion is already confirmed through an urgent hot lab test being performed by Dr. Boris Burakov, together with his colleagues, Sergei Britin and Yuria Korneyko, who started to test their unique sober LHT-9, which is much more effective in absorbing wider nuclear species than zeolite, at the Radium Institute in St. Petersburg. The initial result is rather disappointing for me for Ce-137 and Sr-8５, although it showed very good decontamination factor for Am-241. We have to first get rid of salts, before applying sorption materials.

I have already taken an action to forward Dr. Ko-ichi's tool to find its way to the AREVA people currently working for TEPCO.



III. Mitigation of environmental effects induced by the leakages of highly contaminated water to the sea

TEPCO announced today that 300 kg of zeolite was dumped into the sea near the sea water intake port from where the highly contaminated water leaked from the pits. The leakage itself has been stopped on April 6, by pouring water-glass under the gravel of the tunnel for cables form the turbine hall.

This operation is prudent, if it was not too rate, since zeolite may remove caecium, as much as 2/3 of the original concentration.

TEPCO already installed silt screen at 6 locations of the sea. Construction of a temporary pool near the inadvertent discharge point of the highly contaminated water has been completed.

TEPCO also reported that total of 10,393 tons of low level waste water has been released during April 4-10 with a total activity of 150 GBq. Detailed composition of the radioactive species are not available yet.



IV. Police department was searching bodies within 10 km region

The tsunami destroyed most of the houses located near the shoreline of Namie-machi, from where all the survived residents were started to evacuate on March 14. Because of high radiation dose rates, the search for missing people were not possible, until April 14. More than 30 bodies have been recovered, however they were not so severely contaminated to a level which called for decontamination. It was necessary to employ heavy construction vehicles to retrieve some of the bodies.



V, Recovery of the Secondary Containment System

It was reported today that the Project Team of the Headquarter for Coordination for Accident Counter Measures, organized by the Prime Minister, decided to construct temporary protective structures covered with reinforced plastic sheets, often used for construction of all-weather baseball stadium such as Tokyo Dome, on top of the 1F1, 3 and 4. It is planned to construct them at a place within a reach of a huge self clawling crane and put them in place like a huge cap. Another method being studied is to first construct steel frame structures around the damaged buildings and then cover with the reinforced plastic sheets. An idea is being investigated for providing an ventilation hole to establish filtered venting. TEPCO plans to start construction as early as June.

For me, it is indispensable to have a ventilation to prevent another hydrogen explosion. However, due to the prejudice among the safety specialists, internationally, that the hydrogen can only be produced through the Zr-water reaction, I am scared to see another gigantic hydrogen explosion without providing appropriate measures for prevention of hydrogen accumulation through water radiolysis. By this time, those established advisors guiding the accident management, should learn from how the hydrogen explosion occurred in 1F4, with all of the fuels stored in the spent fuel pit.



VI. Recapping on accident sequences.

I found a series of review articles has been published by The Mainich newspaper in their issues released between April 2-4. Although it weighs more on how the politicians were involved in the most critical days, let me extract some of the important points given in the article from a point of view of accident sequences.

1. A few hundreds workers were at the site when the earthquake arrived on 2:46 PM of March 11. They managed to get out of the buildings. Soon they heard the tsunami alarm, driving them to higher elevation locations at the back of the plant.

2. Soon after the earthquke, NISA reported that there is no concern about the situation of the Fukushima Plants, based on a report from TEPCO.

3. At 3:42 PM, the plants have run into an article 10 event (station blackout)

4. With the arrival of the tsumami, 12 of the 13 diesel generators of 1F1-6 went down. Mr. Ko-ich Nakamura of NISA reported at the press interview that the steam turbine driven Isolation Cooling System is working, which can continue to work as long as the battery power is available for about 7 to 8 hours.

5. At the Prime Minister's press interview stated at 4:54 PM on march 11, he mentioned very little of the actual situation of the plants.

6. Just before 5:00 PM, NISA received a report from TEPCO that an article 15 event (loss of water injection into the reactor vessel) was reported.

7. In the Self Defense Force, they were quick to make ready to dispatch their Central Emergency Response Troop as well as four Chemical Protection Vehicles from the Asaka Base.

8. At 7:03 PM, the Prime Minister Issued the Declaration of Nuclear Emergency Situation, by pointing out a possibility of malfunction of cooling systems

9. The first unit to fall into further emergency situation was 1F2, whose Isolation Cooling System suddenly stopped at 8:30 PM on March 11.

10. At 8:45 PM of March 11, at Fukushima Prefecture Office, Mr. Hiroyuki Aritake, who is in charge of nuclear disaster, explained that rector core melting is likely in 1F2. Within five minutes, the Fukushima Prefecture Office request to those residents within 2 km region to evacuate, without waiting for the decision by the Government. The population within 3 km radius was approximately 5,800, 50,000 within 10 km, 80.000 within 20 km.

11. The Prime Minister started to take control of the emergency situation, trying to dispatch truck loaded electric power system to the site, investigating whether the units can be transported by the Self Defense Force. The time limit was around 11:00 PM to 0:00 of March 12.

12. Two truck loaded emergency power unit arrived after 9:00 PM at the Fukushima Off-Site Center located 5 km from the site. However, since the power units were for higher voltage use, (because they belong to Tohoku Electric Power Company, different from TEPCO) they did not mate with the receptacles. In addition, the receptacles of the Fukushima Off-site Center was found ground-shorted, due to the tsunami. The necessary cables were being air shipped even at midnight.

13. At 9:20 PM, the emergency power of the Fukushima Off-site Center went down, forcing them to move to the less well-equipped Fukushima Prefecture Emergency Center, where only a fax machine was available without computer communication.

14. At 10:50 the reactor core of 1F2 likely lost its submerged condition. At 11:50, a gross failure of fuel cladding. At 0:50 Am of March 12, core melt. It appears that these were accident sequences reported from NISA to the Prime Minister.

15. Also at 1F1, the reactor water level became lower than the top of the core, resulting in an increase in the reactor vessel pressure.

16. Fortunately, battery power of both 1F1 and 3 lasted even after the midnight.

17. At around 11:00 PM on March 11, the Prime Minister, Mr. Bannri Kaieda, Minister of METI, Professor Madarame of Nuclear Safety Commission, together with tops of NISA reviewed the emergency situation, and concluded that the venting is inevitable.

18. The Prime Minister requested venting, however, TEPCO side was reluctant to comply with his request, saying that it is a too heavy decision for a private company to make.

19. Mr. Bannri Kaieda, Minister of METI, on 1:30 AM on March 12, issued a direction for venting. However, NISA remained in their position that final decision should be made by TEPCO, in line with the accident management procedures submitted from electric power companies.

20. At 3:00 AM, TEPCO reported to the Prime Minister's office that the cooling system of 1F2 came back to work. However, Professor Madarame responded by saying that the venting should be performed soon from now on.

21. Following the repeated request from the Prime Minister's office, TEPCO decided to vent 1F1 first, since the cooling function of 1F2 was being recovered.

22. Due to the loss of battery power, it was not possible to open a release valve to vent the reactor pressure vessel. The staff was struggling to open a manual valve near the containment vessel. Therefore, even after the Prime Minister left the site, they did not have a prospect when it can be possible to vent.

23. At 6:00 AM, NISA reported that the dose rate at the Central Control Room jumped 1000 times the normal readings. This was the first time that leakage of radioactive materials was detected in Higashi-Nihon (Northern Japan) Great Earthquake.

24. The Prime Minister was so upset that he went out to investigate the plant by a helicopter of the Self Defence Force. He arrived at the Fukushima Site at around 7:00 AM and immediately went into the Aseismic Essential Building.

25. Professor Madarame of Nuclear Safety Commission accompanied the Prime Minister. In the early phase of the accident he continued to assure that the explosion of the plant is not likely due to the difference in the design of the Japanese plants compared with the Chernobyl reactor.

26. During this time, at 1F1, the containment pressure rose 8.4 kg/cm2, twice the design pressure.

27. At 10:17 AM, venting was finally accomplished. (No description as to by which route.)

28. At 3:36 PM, an explosion occurred in 1F1. About one hour later, TEPCO reported that the explosion is likely due to an hydrogen explosion.

29. Just before the explosion, the Self Defense Force was engaged in water injection operation to the 1F1 by employing two fire engines. Fortunately, they were retreated 5 km away at the time of explosion.



In altogether, the turbine-driven Isolation Cooling System seems to have worked mostly as designed. Even for the most troublesome 1F2, the turbine-driven Isolation Cooling System continue to work to overcome the most critical time after the reactor trip to keep cooling until the decay heat went down to approximately 1%. This portion of my previous accident sequences needs to be revised in the near future. However, true story can only be available from the process computer data of the damaged plants.



VII. A memo for lessons learned from the tsunami-induced nuclear disaster (continued)

For memory sake, let me add lessons learned.



(39) Chemical data from water sampling

I have been feeling strange that TEPCO has never disclosed chemistry data, such as pH and electrical conductivity in their sampling analyses, who seems to report only radio-activities. Since seawater injection has been performed this time, these data should tell whether the source of contaminated water is from the underground water or from the sea water left by the tsunami, for example.



Well, let me stop here today.



Genn Saji


THANK YOU, Dr. Saji!

[Serpo]

Radiation disease - here are the symptoms and causes

(NaturalNews) What does radiation do to us? It burns the cells, kind of like burning down a house. It is well known that radiation burns our cells by creating too much free radical damage. Now of course this is like talking Greek to medical officials and professors because if they knew this they would be on the bullhorn telling the public what to do to minimize free radical damage.

You really do not want to get sick from radiation exposure and that is why the supreme rule in dealing with radiation is to avoid exposure. You want to move as far away from the danger as possible and you surely do not want to eat radioactively-contaminated foods.

There is great individual variation in how people respond to radiation and the process is not fully understood.

If you are feeling sick from radiation exposures, be assured this is not a figment of your imagination. Radiation syndrome, radiation toxicity, radiation illness and/or radiation damage will make you and your children very ill possibly to the point of causing death in one of a number of different ways.

The New York Times says, "Experts hesitate to predict where the radiation will go. Once harmful radioactive elements are released into the outdoors, their travel patterns are as mercurial as the weather and as complicated as the food chains and biochemical pathways along which they move. When and where radioactive contamination becomes a problem depends on a vast array of factors: the specific element released, which way the wind is blowing, whether rain will bring suspended radioactivity to earth, and what types of crops and animals are in an exposed area. Research related to the 1986 Chernobyl accident makes clear that for decades, scientists will be able to detect the presence of radioactive particles released by the crippled Japanese reactors thousands of miles away."

The CDC tells us: The first symptoms of ARS are typically nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. These symptoms will start within minutes to days after the exposure, will last from minutes to up to several days, and may come and go. Then the person usually looks and feels healthy for a short time, after which he or she will become sick again with loss of appetite, fatigue, fever, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and possibly even seizures and coma. This stage of serious illness may last from a few hours to several months.

People with ARS typically also have some skin damage. This damage can start to show within a few hours after exposure and can include swelling, itching, and redness of the skin (like a bad sunburn). There can also be hair loss. As with the other symptoms, the skin may heal for a short time, followed by the return of swelling, itching, and redness days or weeks later. Complete healing of the skin may take from several weeks up to a few years depending on the radiation dose the person's skin received.

The chance of survival for people with ARS decreases with increasing radiation dose. Most people who do not recover from ARS will die within several months of exposure. The cause of death in most cases is the destruction of the person's bone marrow, which results in infections and internal bleeding. For the survivors, the recovery process may last from several weeks up to two years.

There are many types of radiation exposures we can be confronted with, such as X-ray exams that are seemingly harmless or cancer radiation therapy that may result in nausea, anemia, hemorrhaging and fibrosis. Getting CAT scans and PET scans involving the injection of radioactive dyes and other substances for medical diagnostic purposes results in exposure to very high levels of radiation. Even living at high altitudes or taking frequent airplane flights results in higher exposure to ionizing radiation.

Living near a nuclear power plant, a coal-burning plant or an old government radiation testing ground (such as in Nevada or New Mexico) exposes you higher than normal levels of radiation. If you've worked in uranium mining, uranium or plutonium processing or in weapons manufacturing, your contaminant exposure is definitely above normal and ill effects are not far behind. Plenty of Gulf War veterans have been exposed to "depleted uranium" military sources and believe strongly that their health problems are due to this exposure.

Working at a nuclear power plant, in a submarine, or with certain types of diagnostic medical equipment are all ways to become sick from radiation exposure even if there is not an accident.

"If you don't heal yourself of the effects of radiation exposure and if you don't bind radioactive particles and flush them out of your body if you've ingested them, then they'll just stay there and slowly work at destroying your health. Eventually you will succumb to unexplained symptoms of fatigue, lethargy, a weakened immune system, tumors, unexplained illnesses, anemia, excessive bleeding, genetic damage, cancer, leukemia, cataracts, or possibly having children with severe birth defects. You can develop all sorts of conditions that just don't seem to respond to medicine ... and for which there doesn't seem to be any explanation," writes William Bodri.

If you have been exposed to radiation fallout you will know it through a change in your http://www.naturalnews.com/health.h... status. If the levels are extraordinarily high then people all around you will be feeling and sharing similar http://www.naturalnews.com/changes.... and discomforts including:

-Nausea and vomiting
-Diarrhea
-Skin burns (http://www.naturalnews.com/skin.htm... reddening)
-Weakness
-Lethargy and fatigue
-Loss of http://www.naturalnews.com/appetite... (anorexia)
-Fainting
-Dehydration
-Inflammation of tissues (swelling, redness or tenderness)
-Hemorrhages under the skin
-Bleeding from your nose, gums or mouth
-Anemia (low red http://www.naturalnews.com/blood.ht... cell count)
-Hair loss (usually from just the http://www.naturalnews.com/scalp.ht...)
-Decrease in platelets



Nausea and vomiting are typically the earliest symptoms of radiation sickness. The higher the dose of radiation, the sooner these symptoms appear -- and the worse the prognosis. Someone who starts to vomit within one hour of exposure is likely to die.

Sometimes people with radiation sickness feel bad at first and then start to feel better. But often new and more serious symptoms appear within hours, days, or even a few weeks of this "latent" stage.

You are going to want to learn the secrets of what I call "Natural Allopathic Medicine" in order to protect yourself and your loved ones from unexpected exposure to radiation. The heart of the protocol employs the use of heavyweight medicines used in emergency rooms.



Radiation sickness can cause bleeding from the nose, mouth, gums, and rectum. It can cause people to bruise easily and to bleed internally as well -- and even to vomit blood. The problems occur because radiation depletes the body of platelets, the cellular fragments in the blood that are form clots to control bleeding.

So behind the mighty mallet of Arm &a Hammer baking soda we bring in some other superhero emergency room medicines like magnesium chloride, iodine and vitamin C. We quickly assemble a nutritional arsenal of superfoods and super-concentrated naturally made medicinals like an omega-3s, spirulina- and chlorella-based nutritional food formulas, get some heavy metal natural chelator products, and pump in glutathione through a number of different avenues.

Dealing with radiation or heavy metal poisoning is tricky to say the least. Some people can manage massive amounts of it with no ill effects, others can't. The severity of symptoms and illness (acute radiation sickness) depends on the type and amount of radiation, how long you were exposed, and which part of the body was exposed. Symptoms of radiation sickness may occur immediately after exposure, or over the next few days, weeks, or months. Not everyone is going to die or even get sick from a given level of exposure.

Because it is difficult to determine the amount of radiation exposure from nuclear accidents, the best measure of the severity of the exposure are: the length of time between the exposure and the onset of symptoms, the severity of symptoms, and severity of changes in white blood cells. If a person vomits less than an hour after being exposed, that usually means the radiation dose received is very high and death may be expected.



Radiation "targets" cells in the body that reproduce rapidly -- and that includes cells that line the intestinal tract. Radiation sickness causes major irritation of the intestinal lining, resulting in severe and sometimes bloody diarrhea.

Radiation can travel quickly in air currents. Students from the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, NY measured radiation fallout in New York during atomic bomb testing over Nevada desert (2,300 miles away). Just a few hours after the explosion the students reported that the average radiation readings in nearby towns were 20-100 times higher. Radiation fallout travels quickly and is therefore dangerous.

A spokesman for the Geneva-based U.N. health agency said contaminated food poses a greater long-term risk to residents' health than radioactive particles in the air, which disperse within days. It was the strongest statement yet from the world body on radiation risks to ordinary people rather than nuclear workers. "They're going to have to make some decisions quickly in Japan to shut down and completely stop food from being used from zones they feel might be affected," Gregory Hartl told the Associated Press. "Repeated consumption of certain products is going to intensify risks, as opposed to radiation in the air that happens once and then the first time it rains there's no longer radiation in the air. A week ago we were more concerned about the radiation leakages and possible explosion of the nuclear facility itself, but now other issues are getting more attention including the food safety issue."



The initial symptoms reported by the Japanese and (later by American) observers were the loss of hair from the scalp, bleeding into the skin, inflammation of the mouth and throat, vomiting, diarrhea and fever.

Nausea and vomiting that appeared within a few hours after the explosion were frequently noted and while the vomiting usually subsided by the following morning, occasionally it continued for 2-3 more days. Diarrhea of varying degrees of severity was also observed and in severe cases, it was frequently bloody.



Radiation sickness can cause people to feel weak and out of sorts -- almost like having a bad version of the flu. It can dramatically reduce the number of red blood cells, causing anemia and increased risk of fainting.

There were also observations of lesions of the gums, the oral mucous membrane, and the throat -- these areas usually became deep red in color and in many instances began ulcerating and dying (necrosis) as the tissues began to break down. Leucopenia (low-white-blood-cell counts) were found on blood testing with extreme cases falling below 1,000 (normal levels are around 7,000).

The syndromes of acute radiation illness can be divided into three categories based on the amount of radiation dosage in total. The gray (symbol: Gy) is the SI unit of absorbed radiation dose of ionizing radiation and is defined as the absorption of one joule of ionizing radiation by one kilogram of matter (usually human tissue).

It is interesting to note that in radiation therapy, the amount of radiation varies depending on the type and stage of cancer being treated. For curative cases, the typical dose for a solid epithelial tumor ranges from 60 to 80 Gy, while lymphomas are treated with 20-40 Gy. Preventive (adjuvant) doses are typically around 45-60 Gy in 1.8-2 Gy fractions (for breast, head, and neck cancers).



Along with red cells, radiation sickness can reduce the risk of infection-fighting white cells in the body. As a result, the risk of bacterial, viral, and fungal infections is heightened.

The average radiation dose from an abdominal X-ray is 1.4 mGy, that from an abdominal CT scan is 8.0 mGy, that from a pelvic CT scan is 25 mGy, and that from a selective CT scan of the abdomen and the pelvis is 30 mGy.

It is again interesting to note that an abdominal and pelvic CT scan can cause symptoms similar to the category of cerebrovascular syndrome, even though this radiation exposure is supposed to be therapeutic.

[Serpo]

cont....

The three categories are as follows:

The cerebrovascular (brain) syndrome - This is when the total dose of radiation is extremely high, exceeding 20-30 Gy. A person with cerebrovascular (brain) syndrome rapidly develops confusion, nausea, vomiting, bloody diarrhea, and shock. Within hours their blood pressure falls due to heart and circulatory damage, accompanied by the inability to coordinate gait, seizures and coma. Patients often die within hours (usually within the first two days) after severe radiation exposure.

In particular, the cerebrovascular syndrome has 3 phases: the first period of nausea and vomiting; then listlessness, drowsiness, apathy and confusion; and finally, tremors, convulsions, seizures, coma, with death usually within a few hours. Since the cerebrovascular syndrome is always fatal, treatment is geared toward providing comfort by relieving pain, anxiety, and breathing difficulties.

The gastrointestinal syndrome occurs when the radiation dose is smaller but still high, and is due to the effects of radiation on the cells lining the digestive tract. Doses in the 10-20 Gy range affect the intestines, stripping their lining and leading to death within three months due to causes of vomiting, diarrhea, starvation, and infection.

Victims receiving 6-10 Gy all at once usually escape an intestinal death, but instead face bone marrow failure and death within two months from loss of blood coagulation factors and the protection against infection provided by white blood cells.

The symptoms of people suffering from gastrointestinal syndrome include nausea, vomiting and diarrhea that can lead to severe dehydration, diminished blood plasma volume and vascular collapse that can result in death within 3-10 days. Severe nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea begin 2-12 hours after exposure to 4 Gy or more of radiation and the symptoms may lead to severe dehydration, but they usually resolve themselves after two days.

After this period of feeling well, severe diarrhea (often bloody) returns, once more producing a state of dehydration. As the intestines deteriorate, the bacteria inhabiting the digestive tract start to invade the rest of the body producing severe infections.

People with the gastrointestinal syndrome require intravenous fluids and sedatives. They need to be kept isolated so that they do not contact infectious microorganisms. Oral antibiotics, such as neomycin, are given to kill intestinal bacteria that may invade the body and antifungal and antiviral drugs are also given intravenously when necessary.



Radiation sickness can cause visible ulcers in or on the mouth. In addition, ulcers often form in the esophagus, stomach, and intestines.

The hematopoietic syndrome is caused by the effects of radiation on the bone marrow, spleen, and lymph nodes, which are the primary sites of blood cell production (hematopoiesis). The hematopoietic syndrome is characterized by loss of appetite, apathy, lethargy, nausea and vomiting that usually begin 2-12 hours after exposure to 2 Gy or more of radiation and may be maximal within 6-12 hours from this yet smaller radiation exposure. The symptoms typically subside completely within 24-36 hours after the exposure, and the person typically feels well for a week or more.

However, during this symptom-free period the lymph nodes, spleen and bone marrow begin to waste away leading to a severe shortage of white blood cells, which are the body's main defense against infection, followed by a shortage of platelets and then red blood cells. This is the critical point where the person needs to be supported nutritionally to build blood cells and increase immunity, otherwise many hematopoietic patients die within 30-60 days after exposure.

Once again, the early symptoms of ARS typically involve nausea, vomiting, headache and diarrhea which will start within minutes to days after the exposure, last for minutes up to several days, and may come and go. The person will usually look and feel healthy for a short time -- mistakenly thinking they are all well -- after which they will become sick again with loss of appetite, fatigue, fever, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and possibly even seizures and coma. This seriously ill stage may last from a few hours up to several months.



Areas of skin exposed to radiation may turn blister and turn red -- almost like severe sunburn. In some cases open sores form. The skin may even slough off.

For all the references, sources and more articles on radiation and chemical toxicity please visit Dr. Mark Sircus blog.

About the author:
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Mark A. Sircus, Ac., OMD, is director of the International Medical Veritas Association (IMVA) http://www.imva.info/.

Dr. Sircus was trained in acupuncture and oriental medicine at the Institute of Traditional Medicine in Sante Fe, N.M., and at the School of Traditional Medicine of New England in Boston. He served at the Central Public Hospital of Pochutla in Mexico, and was awarded the title of doctor of oriental medicine for his work. He was one of the first nationally certified acupuncturists in the United States. Dr. Sircus's IMVA is dedicated to unifying the various disciplines in medicine with the goal of creating a new dawn in healthcare.

He is particularly concerned about the effect vaccinations have on vulnerable infants and is identifying the common thread of many toxic agents that are dramatically threatening present and future generations of children. His book, The Terror of Pediatric Medicine, is a free e-book offered on his web site. Humane Pediatrics will be an e-book available early in 2011 and then quickly as possible put into print.

Dr. Sircus is a most prolific and courageous writer and one can read through hundreds of pages on his various web sites.

He has recently released a number of e-books including Winning the War Against Cancer, Survival Medicine for the 21st Century, Sodium Bicarbonate, Rich Man’s Poor Man’s Cancer Treatment, New Paradigms in Diabetic Care and Bringing Back the Universal Medicine: IODINE.

Dr. Sircus is a pioneer in the area of natural detoxification and chelation of toxic chemicals and heavy metals. He is also a champion of the medicinal value of minerals and seawater.

Transdermal Magnesium Therapy, his first published work, offers a stunning breakthrough in medicine, an entirely new way to supplement magnesium that naturally increases DHEA levels, brings cellular magnesium levels up quickly, relieves pain, brings down blood pressure and pushes cell physiology in a positive direction. Magnesium chloride delivered transdermally brings a quick release from a broad range of conditions. His second edition of Transdermal Magnesium Therapy will be out shortly. In addition he writes critically about the political and financial crises occurring around us.

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[Antonio]

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/18_03.html

270 millisieverts behind the door of #1 reactor.

[beefsteak]

A KOREAN website has posted the following this Monday AM:




Distributors Install Radiation Detectors at Stores
Write 2011-04-18 13:59:53 Update 2011-04-18 15:57:36

Radiation detectors are finding their way into stores as public concern grows over potential radioactive food contamination.

Hanaro Club run by Nonghyup or the National Agricultural Cooperative Foundation placed detectors in 32 stores nationwide, following the footsteps of other large discount store chain such as Lotte Mart. Hanaro Club began testing on agricultural, livestock and seafood products last Thursday.

Hanaro Club said that it will immediately retrieve products from its stores that are suspected of having been contaminated with radioactive substances. The removed products will be sent to Nonghyup's food safety research institute for more precise testing.

Korean website already translated into English:
http://world.kbs.co.kr/english/news/news_Ec_detail.htm?No=80931

Googling, it seems that Hanaro Club is a "Costco" of Korea...large, indoors warehouse, full of fresh food.

As far as the highlighted portion above, that's a phrase that caught my attention. Korean Spin at its finest, yes?

Like are they really going to say: "......the removed products will be taken out and immediately buried? And the farmer identified and quarantined?"

Spin is Spin. Asian or Western.

AhSo?

[Serpo]

Two robots sent into the reactor buildings at the Fukushima nuclear plant have found massive amounts of radiation, barring any workers from entering. The plant's operator also announced a new 9 month plan to stabilize the situation, proposing to cover the reactors with a Chernobyl-like sarcophagus. The situation at the nuclear complex remains critical, with radiation leaks and difficult access hampering progress.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLE2nA-0TBU&feature=player_embedded#at=49

[Serpo]

Alarming New Fukushima Reports
By Stephen Lendman
4-18-11
Five weeks after Japan's disaster, reports suggest worse, not improved conditions. It portends serious regional and global trouble ahead, besides what's already happened.

On April 16, AP headlined, "Radioactivity Rises in Sea Off Japan Nuclear Plant," saying:

"Levels of radioactivity have risen sharply in seawater near (Fukushima), signaling the possibility of new leaks at the facility, the government said Saturday."

The announcement followed a 5.9 level aftershock rocking the country early Saturday. So far, no additional damage reports were issued. However, seawater radioactive Iodine-131 spiked to 6,500 times above normal, up from 1,100 times Friday, and Cesium-134 and 137 rose nearly fourfold.

Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA) raised the possibility of worrisome new leaks, admitting that tracking them is difficult. Nonetheless, they still claim no threat to humans or sea life despite numerous independent experts raising dire warnings of spreading global radiation, including plutonium, the most deadly substance known, a microscopic speck enough to cause cancer.

Japan's Kyodo News reported the same news, saying pumping water into reactors and storage pools created large contaminated puddles with high radiation levels inside the reactor containment and turbine buildings. As a result, restoration work is hampered because even short-term exposure is extremely hazardous.

On April 14, Global Security Newswire (GSN) headlined "Japan Plant Emits More Radiation After Cooling Lapse," saying:

The increased radiation explained above "indicates the fuel in storage there had been compromised," suggesting worse trouble than so far reported.

On April 15, GSN headlined, "Japan Plant Fuel Melted Partway Through Reactors," saying:

It settled into lower sections of containment vessels, "raising the specter of overheated material compromising a container and causing a massive radiation release," according to a newly released Atomic Energy Society of Japan (AESJ) report.

On April 15, Japan Times writer Kanako Takahara headlined, "Fuel rod fragments at bottom of vessels," saying:

"If too many....puddle at the bottom, they can generate enough concentrated heat to bore a hole in the pressure vessel, which would result in a massive radioactive release to the environment." In fact, there's no assurance it hasn't already happened but isn't being reported.

Downplaying a serious reactor breach, AESJ claimed only small amounts of fuel so far melted and dispersed uniformly across the lower sections of Units 1, 2 and 3. Minimally, months of restoration work lie ahead, perhaps years based on what's already known. According to some experts, we're in unchartered territory, dealing with a unprecedented disaster.

On April 13, on Democracy Now, Physics Professor Michio Kaku called Fukushima reactors "ticking time bombs," saying Tokyo Electric (TEPCO) "has been in denial, trying to downplay the full impact of this nuclear disaster."

He explained a mathematical formula to determine an accident's level, saying this one "already released something on the order of 50,000 trillion becquerels of radiation," warranting a Level 7 rating.

However, radiation keeps leaking. "The situation is not stable at all. So, you're looking at basically a ticking time bomb." The slightest disturbance causing more damage could increase the disaster's magnitude manyfold.

He described a full core meltdown this way:

"Think of driving a car, and....all of a sudden (it) lunges out of control. You hit the brakes," but they don't work because "the earthquake wiped out the safety systems."

"Then your radiator starts to heat up and explodes. That's the hydrogen gas explosion. And then, to make it worse, the gas tank is heating up, and all of a sudden your whole car (bursts into) flames. That's (a) full-scale meltdown."

"So what can you do? You drive the car into a river (what TEPCO did by using seawater to cover the) top of the core." But its salt corrodes the radiator. So what then? "You call out the local firemen" and use "Japanese samurai warriors" inside the plant on a suicide mission, trying to keep water over "melted nuclear reactor cores."

That's the current situation. So when TEPCO says things are stable, it's only "in the sense that you're dangling from a cliff hanging by your fingernails. And as the time goes by, each fingernail starts to crack. That's the situation now," extremely dangerous and uncertain.

Moreover, radiation contaminates air, water and soil. "Cows then eat the vegetation, create milk, and then it winds up in the milk. Farmers are now dumping milk right on their farms because it's too radioactive. Foods (also) have to be impounded in the area."

So "let's be blunt about this: would you buy food that says 'Made in Chernobyl?' Japanese people are saying: "Should I buy food that says 'Made in Fukushima?' We're talking about the collapse of the local economy. (Yet) the government tries to lowball all the numbers, downplay the severity of the accident, and that's making it much worse."

Further, Japan's limited evacuation zone is "pathetic." America recommended 50 miles for US personnel, and France advised their nationals to consider leaving Japan altogether.

Moreover, radiation levels are rising far beyond the evacuation zone. Expect large future cancer increases. "That's the inevitable consequence of releasing enormous" amounts of radiation into the environment.

As for TEPCO and government officials, "(t)hey're literally making it up as they go along. We're in totally uncharted territory. You get any nuclear engineering book. Look at the last chapter, and this scenario is not contained in....any nuclear engineering textbook on" the planet.

As a result, "we are the guinea pigs for this science experiment that's taking place. Then it could take up to 10 years to finally dismantle the reactor. The last stage is entombment....over a period of many years....in a gigantic slab of concrete."

Other concerns include sea water radiation "millions of times beyond legal levels" and radiation readings throughout much of the country, including Tokyo drinking water. Concerned people wonder if they should leave. Some "are voting with their feet. A lot of people are voluntarily evacuating from Tokyo "because they simply don't believe....consistently lowballed" TEPCO and government radiation level reports.

Kaku also said people, including Americans, aren't told the truth about nuclear power hazards. Now a new generation may be built at risk of meltdowns like older reactors. In fact, the potential for nuclear disaster is so great that insurers won't underwrite it, so Washington under the Price-Anderson Act does it at taxpayer expense for an energy source too dangerous to exist.

As a result, noted experts like Helen Caldicott warn of inevitable disasters as great or worse than Fukushima, the more operating plants, the greater the danger.

On April 12, her London Guardian article headlined, "How Nuclear Apologists Mislead the World Over Radiation," saying:

It "emanates from radioactive elements which enter the body by inhalation, ingestion, or skin absorption. Hazardous radionuclides (like) Iodine-131, Cesium-137, and other isotopes....bio-concentrate at each step of various food chains," from algae to crustaceans to small fish to bigger fish to animals to humans, as well as vegetation.

They then affect specific bodily organs, including the thyroid, liver, bone and brain, "where they continuously irradiate small volumes of cells with high doses of alpha, beta and/or gamma radiation, and over many years, can induce uncontrolled cell replication."

That's cancer!

In addition, nuclides stay radioactive for generations, causing increased incidences of cancer and genetic diseases. There's no such thing as an acceptable radiation level. In any amount, radiation is harmful, cumulative, permanent and unforgiving.

Experts also worry about possible re-criticality, defined as a return to a point at which a nuclear reaction becomes self-sustaining or unstoppable. In late March, the IAEA warned that "(t)here might be re-criticality at Fukushima," though so far there's "no final assessment."

On April 11, environmental expert Dr. Ilya Perlingieri's article headlined, "Fukushima's Nuclear Disaster: One Month and Counting," saying:

So far, "(n)othing is even remotely improved. In fact, things are dramatically worse." Hazardous reactors like GE's Mark 1 place entire populations at risk where they operate. "The radioactive consequences of" four Fukushima reactors "far exceed(s) Chernobyl."

As a result, the consequences for all Japanese residents will be enormous. But they also affect others as "various radioactive elements travel (by wind and water) around the globe." Potentially, everyone may be affected to a greater or lesser extent, including future generations.

In addition, dumping thousands of tons of radioactive water into the ocean is an environmental crime. Contaminated water "will now travel across the (Pacific) to North America's West Coast," contaminating the entire food chain in the process.

Then, as "water goes through its cycles, it will evaporate, and radioactive air will be carried around the globe. We are all in grave danger."

Moreover, because EPA closed many of its monitoring stations, including on the West Coast, the public won't get vital information. "How much more deception and deceit can we take?" Fukushima is the worst disaster "we have faced in our lives." Potentially millions of cancer may result.

How many people are already "eating radioactive fresh fruit, or drinking water and milk? High radiation levels have been found in rain, snow, and drinking water. Radioactive Iodine-131 and Cesium-137 have been found in US milk."

Perlingieri quoted from Dr. Janette Sherman's "prophetic scientific paper" written six months before Fukushima, saying:

"Given profound weather effects (earthquakes, floods, tsunamis, etc.), human fallibility, and military conflicts, (it's) only a matter of time before there is a nuclear disaster. Nuclear fallout knows no state or national boundaries....The economic costs of radioactive pollution and care of contaminated citizens are staggering. No country can maintain itself if its citizens are economically, intellectually, politically, and socially impoverished."

Nor can it if the health of its people is gravely, preventably, and permanently harmed. Nature's laws can't be reversed, nor can the effects of contaminating radiation, a destroyer of life too dangerous to exist, but it proliferates because corrupted politicians and industry profiteers are too unprincipled to stop it.

Stephen Lendman lives in Chicago and can be reached at lendmanstephen@sbcglobal.net. Also visit his blog site at sjlendman.blogspot.com and listen to cutting-edge discussions with distinguished guests on the Progressive Radio News Hour on the Progressive Radio Network Thursdays at 10AM US Central time and Saturdays and Sundays at noon. All programs are archived for easy listening.

http://www.progressiveradionetwork.com/the-progressive-news-hour


http://www.rense.com/general93/alrm.htm

[keehah]

Two robots sent into the reactor buildings at the Fukushima nuclear plant have found massive amounts of radiation, barring any workers from entering.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/14464816/robot-in-japanese-reactors-detects-high-radiation?Call=Email&Format=Text

Japanese authorities more than doubled the legal limit for nuclear workers since the crisis began to 250 millisieverts a year. Workers in the U.S. nuclear industry are allowed an upper limit of 50 millisieverts per year. Doctors say radiation sickness sets in at 1,000 millisieverts and includes nausea and vomiting.

The robots, made by Bedford, Massachusetts, company iRobot, which also makes the Roomba vacuum cleaner, explored Unit 2 on Monday, but TEPCO officials had yet to analyze that data.

The radioactivity must be reduced, possibly with the removal of contaminated debris and stagnant water, before repair crews would be allowed inside, said NISA official Masataka Yoshizawa.

Sturdier robots can remove some of the debris, but workers are needed to test the integrity of the equipment and carry out electrical repairs needed to restore the cooling systems as called for in the road map, Yoshizawa said.
Huh? ::)
http://dealoftheday.me/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/iRobot-Roomba-Vacuum-Cleaner.JPG

[vacuum]

I haven't been keeping up with this thread too much, but coming back to it, the news seems grave. I live in the seattle area and we've been getting rain almost constantly since the incident occurred. I don't have much choice but to work in the rain sometimes. Am I really getting contaminated to a high degree?

All these opinions and speculations seem like they could easily be solved with the proper measuring equipment. What would it take to get a geiger that would be suitable for measuring radiation in the environment and food? How much for a setup to measure food contamination?

[Serpo]

Two robots sent into the reactor buildings at the Fukushima nuclear plant have found massive amounts of radiation, barring any workers from entering.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/14464816/robot-in-japanese-reactors-detects-high-radiation?Call=Email&Format=Text

Japanese authorities more than doubled the legal limit for nuclear workers since the crisis began to 250 millisieverts a year. Workers in the U.S. nuclear industry are allowed an upper limit of 50 millisieverts per year. Doctors say radiation sickness sets in at 1,000 millisieverts and includes nausea and vomiting.

The robots, made by Bedford, Massachusetts, company iRobot, which also makes the Roomba vacuum cleaner, explored Unit 2 on Monday, but TEPCO officials had yet to analyze that data.

The radioactivity must be reduced, possibly with the removal of contaminated debris and stagnant water, before repair crews would be allowed inside, said NISA official Masataka Yoshizawa.

Sturdier robots can remove some of the debris, but workers are needed to test the integrity of the equipment and carry out electrical repairs needed to restore the cooling systems as called for in the road map, Yoshizawa said.
Huh? ::)
http://dealoftheday.me/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/iRobot-Roomba-Vacuum-Cleaner.JPG



This is the high level of advancement we have come to expect ....a vacuum cleaner.




........some second hand ones for sale ..........-slightly radioactive but in good going order...........

[Serpo]

I haven't been keeping up with this thread too much, but coming back to it, the news seems grave. I live in the seattle area and we've been getting rain almost constantly since the incident occurred. I don't have much choice but to work in the rain sometimes. Am I really getting contaminated to a high degree?

All these opinions and speculations seem like they could easily be solved with the proper measuring equipment. What would it take to get a geiger that would be suitable for measuring radiation in the environment and food? How much for a setup to measure food contamination?


Look where you posted vacuum right between two VACUUM posts ;D

If you go back to the last page there are two clips by Leuren Moret who says they should of evacuated western America,you may like to watch some of the clips

[Cobalt]

Do Not mistakenly believe that the US Gov has your back when it comes to alerting you whether or not the radiation you are receiving is safe or not.


In Korea they closed 130 schools because they recorded 2.02 Becquerels per liter of iodine 131
40 other schools were put on reduced schedules.

In California at Berkley University they recorded 20.1 Becquerel per liter of iodine 131 which is 10 times as much then the Korean schools monitored and the school remained open.

[crazychicken]

Thank you for the info update!

Truly important stuff that needs to get out.

CC




Do Not mistakenly believe that the US Gov has your back when it comes to alerting you whether or not the radiation you are receiving is safe or not.


In Korea they closed 130 schools because they recorded 2.02 Becquerels per liter of iodine 131
40 other schools were put on reduced schedules.

In California at Berkley University they recorded 20.1 Becquerel per liter of iodine 131 which is 10 times as much then the Korean schools monitored and the school remained open.

[gunDriller]

Do Not mistakenly believe that the US Gov has your back when it comes to alerting you whether or not the radiation you are receiving is safe or not.


In Korea they closed 130 schools because they recorded 2.02 Becquerels per liter of iodine 131
40 other schools were put on reduced schedules.

In California at Berkley University they recorded 20.1 Becquerel per liter of iodine 131 which is 10 times as much then the Korean schools monitored and the school remained open.


i believe the decision was made to back-burner the news, to go with the "move along, nothing to see here" approach.

i think that was one of the reasons they chose Obama, they knew he'd go along with the program instead of warning people. he already showed his true colors with the BP disaster. just as he took his family to Florida for a photo-op (they were actually photographed going into the water in an inland bay).

in the case of BP, he completely sided with the Anglo-Persian Oil Company (the former name of BP.)


but i appreciate the information and i am adjusting my food-buying accordingly !

but i'm in a quandary about oranges. normally, in the US, they come from Florida or California. that's a heck of a choice - do i want trace quantities of Corexit with my Vitamin C, or some radiation ?

[beefsteak]

Spent a chunk o'time looking at the prior resources for US Air/radiation pattern movement maps, and couldn't find a single one available to the lay person, including Mary Greeley on YouTube. That includes today as well. The longer this goes on, the more we need the information, agreed?

Anyone else have any better luck??? Please help all of us by posting your links to the "ground level up to 5K' level US radiation maps with their little color coding strip, please. Animated preferred.

I'd sure appreciate it.

beefsteak

[Cobalt]

This is exactly why I don't trust the Gov for any real facts

From WA state Dept of Health


Why the nuclear incidents in Japan are not a health threat in Washington

Radiation from the nuclear power plants in Japan is not a health risk for Washington. Since the failure of the power plants in Japan, radiation levels in Washington have remained at normal background levels and we do not expect they will increase. Trace amounts of material from the Japanese reactors have been detected at levels far below any health concern.

Several factors play a role in protecting us from the release of radiation occurring at the damaged reactors in Japan:

Most of the radioactive material is contained at the damaged plants; there does not appear to have been any large release to the upper atmosphere. The trace amounts of radioactive material that have reached Washington are not in concentrations high enough to cause a health risk.

The fires and explosions at the Japanese reactors have not been as intense as the 1986 Chernobyl incident. Radioactive material ejected into the jet stream from Chernobyl reached Washington in small amounts. Even after the Chernobyl disaster, protective action was not needed in our state, and the Japan incident is much smaller than Chernobyl.

Even if radioactive material is released in Japan and reaches the jet stream in larger quantities, only very small amounts would be carried the 5,000 miles from Japan to our state. In the time it would take to cross the Pacific, the material would be diluted as it’s blown in the wind. Rain would also wash some of the material from the air into the ocean.

Radioactive decay, especially for short half-life radioactive materials such as iodine-131, would substantially reduce the amount of the radioactive material that could reach here.

For these reasons, it’s unlikely that we will see an increase in background levels of the normal radiation found in Washington. The small amounts of radiation that have reached us from Japan have been well below levels that would pose public health concerns.

(Updated April 8, 2011)




Move along folks, nothing to see here even if we begin the statement saying only Normal Background levels but finish the statement talking about small amounts have reached us

[Serpo]

Spent a chunk o'time looking at the prior resources for US Air/radiation pattern movement maps, and couldn't find a single one available to the lay person, including Mary Greeley on YouTube. That includes today as well. The longer this goes on, the more we need the information, agreed?

Anyone else have any better luck??? Please help all of us by posting your links to the "ground level up to 5K' level US radiation maps with their little color coding strip, please. Animated preferred.

I'd sure appreciate it.

beefsteak




Here is a good talk........
http://www.livestream.com/deepakhomebase/video

[PatColo]

"Dr. Bill Deagle" is a source of dubious repute IMHO, but he's been one of the more alarmist, & conspiratorial voices re this meltdown. Just missed his hour on Rense radio tonight (8-9 PM PT), but it'll replay 11PM-12AM PT. Tonight's appearance billed:

Dr. Bill Deagle
Fukushima Worsening -
Global Nucleoside?

the current hour is billed with 2 guests:
Mark Weber
IHR Under Attack Again

From Tokyo
Yoichi Shimatsu
Fukushima Report

also headlined @ rense.com,
Rense & Yoichi Shimatsu - Fukushima Worse, Virtually Hopeless - Vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpSv9qRObBU

[midnight rambler]

I haven't been keeping up with this thread too much, but coming back to it, the news seems grave. I live in the seattle area and we've been getting rain almost constantly since the incident occurred. I don't have much choice but to work in the rain sometimes. Am I really getting contaminated to a high degree?

All these opinions and speculations seem like they could easily be solved with the proper measuring equipment. What would it take to get a geiger that would be suitable for measuring radiation in the environment and food? How much for a setup to measure food contamination?


I've been researching this matter lately, and for a quality professional grade geiger counter you can expect to pay at least $500 on feebay. I would suggest a used Ludlum Model 3 with a 44-9 pancake probe (aka a 'frisker') that you turn around and get professionally calibrated if it doesn't have a recent calibration. The Model 3 with the 44-9 probe is a great set-up, very sensitive, but there are some things it just won't pick up on in food, e.g. Strontium-90 in milk. I've talked to a number of 'in the know' folks recently, and when it comes to 90Sr in milk the only way to reliably detect that is to send the milk to a lab where they have the facility and process to find it if it's there. Short of that, the most practical thing to do if you want dairy products which are free of radioactivity is to check the feed and grass the dairy cows are eating with the aforementioned high quality geiger counter. I was told it takes 60 hours after a dairy cow has ingested radioisotopes for the milk to turn up radioactive, so the best way to catch that is to monitor the water, grass, and feed the dairy cows consume. It is much easier to detect it before the dairy cows ingest it.

I would also suggest you monitor your environment with a quality geiger counter every single time it rains.

So the hot tip (pardon the pun) is to get something on par with a Ludlum Model 3 with a 44-9 probe and learn how to put it to use. (I will have some of the 50 y.o. Civil Defense geiger counters [the CDV-700] available re-furbed with certified calibration, but they have the standard 'hot dog' probe [the 6993 G-M tube] and are not as sensitive as a pancake probe, plus they are more limited on range (going to only 50 m/R whereas the Model 3 ranges up to 200 m/R - the Model 3 with a pancake probe is much more bang for the buck even though they are a couple hundred more expensive than a CDV-700 with certified calibration, a pancake probe by itself is about $275 if you can even find one new right now.)

[Antonio]

Strontium-90 emits alpha. Alpha cannot penetrate a sheet of paper so food probably acts a bit as a shield but if it`s really contaminated. a good geiger with a mica window for alpha detection will do the job. You may have to spread the food in a thin layer to capture more realistic levels because you can only test the very top layer of food???

[midnight rambler]

Strontium-90 emits alpha. Alpha cannot penetrate a sheet of paper so food probably acts a bit as a shield but if it`s really contaminated. a good geiger with a mica window for alpha detection will do the job. You may have to spread the food in a thin layer to capture more realistic levels because you can only test the very top layer of food???


I was told that even if you put a thin plastic wrap over your pancake probe and stuck it directly into a container of milk that it would be 'iffy' as to whether you could actually detect any Strontium 90 that was in the milk. You're right about the milk itself acting as a shield, that's exactly what I was told. The process where the lab does the test for Strontium 90 in something like milk was briefly described to me and it's complicated.

[Antonio]

Strontium-90 emits alpha. Alpha cannot penetrate a sheet of paper so food probably acts a bit as a shield but if it`s really contaminated. a good geiger with a mica window for alpha detection will do the job. You may have to spread the food in a thin layer to capture more realistic levels because you can only test the very top layer of food???


I was told that even if you put a thin plastic wrap over your pancake probe and stuck it directly into a container of milk that it would be 'iffy' as to whether you could actually detect any Strontium 90 that was in the milk. You're right about the milk itself acting as a shield, that's exactly what I was told. The process where the lab does the test for Strontium 90 in something like milk was briefly described to me and it's complicated.


We ate so much contaminated dairy in USSR that our chestbones made geiger chirp like crazy. I wonder now what isotope it was because Sr90 cannot penetrate even paper and stays in the bones forever? Could this be caused be cesium or plain uranium 235? I know that whatever I had in me at 16 I`ve pissed out because I no longer make geigers register anything.

[beefsteak]

Just in: Dateline Japan 19, April



Tuesday, April 19, 2011

Robots detect dangerous spike in reactor 3 radiation
French-style air coolers eyed in effort to bring down the heat

By KANAKO TAKAHARA, Staff writer


Robots sent in to explore the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant have found high radiation levels in three reactor buildings that may seriously hinder efforts to bring the plant under control, Japan's nuclear watchdog said Monday.

On Sunday, two U.S.-made robots checked radiation, temperature and oxygen concentrations in reactors 1 and 3 to see if they were safe for repair crews to enter to get the crippled cooling systems back online

In the No. 3 reactor building, the robots detected a radiation level of 28 to 57 millisieverts per hour on the ground floor.

In the No. 1 reactor building, radiation was measured at between 10 and 49 millisieverts per hour.

"It's difficult to work for a long time under these conditions," said Hidehiko Nishiyama, spokesman at the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency.

The maximum allowable annual radiation does for nuclear workers is 250 millisieverts, which is two and a half times the precrisis limit. This means each worker can only spend a maximum of five hours inside the building. Many have already passed the standard annual limit of 100 millisierverts and many subcontractors are reportedly refusing to adhere to the higher radiation limit set for the crisis.

On Saturday, workers detected 270 millisieverts per hour on the south side of the same floor in the No. 1 unit, Tepco said.

Tepco will analyze the data and find ways to improve access. The utility was to check the radiation in reactor 2's building Monday.

NISA meanwhile unveiled plans for Tepco to set up a new air-cooling system to cool the coolant water to be stored inside the reactors' containment vessels.

The system, similar to air conditioners used in French nuclear power plants, will remove heat from the coolant water that will circulate inside the containment vessel and keep the core cool.

It will be the first air-cooling system to be used in a Japanese reactor, most of which use water-based cooling systems.

To start the new system, which will hopefully stabilize the reactors' temperatures, however, will take six to nine months, Tepco said Sunday in announcing its plan for ending the crisis.

Meanwhile, a more urgent task awaits at the No. 2 reactor, where radioactive water is flooding its turbine building and an adjacent underground trench.

Tepco plans to pump the highly radioactive water into a nearby facility on the premises that can store about 30,000 tons of water so that workers can resume repairs.

The water level in the trench is rising day by day and went up 3 cm from Sunday to 82 cm as of 7 a.m. Monday.

Tepco is trying to finish water-proofing the storage facility as soon as possible.

The utility is also considering pouring adhesive concrete into the suppression chamber of reactor 2 to patch the hole that is believed to be causing radioactive water to leak into the turbine building and the trench.

The prime cooling systems of the 1, 2, 3 and 4 units have been out of action since the March 11 mega-quake and tsunami hit the six-reactor complex.

Massive amounts of water have been poured into the reactors and their spent nuclear fuel pools as a stopgap measure to cool them down. But pools of contaminated water have been detected in various parts of the site, an apparent side effect of the emergency measure.

Tepco has said the amount of polluted water at the reactor 1, 2 and 3 turbine buildings and nearby areas totals an estimated 67,500 tons.

Information from Kyodo added

The Japan Times Online
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110419a1.html

Total capacity of untreated STORED ON SITE CURRENTLY HIGHRW is approx. 6x the DELIBERATE LOWRW discharge into Ocean of 11,500T, completed Friday last, (April 15), after feed and bleed was gushing into the ocean in the first place.

Oh, and only 300kg zeolites were dumped into the ocean. Wow, don't we all feel better after 720# av. of 25% maximum absorb zeolites were committed to "harm's way...." :sarc:

[Serpo]

Meant to be nuc explosion what do you think..........


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkminzU20U0&feature=player_embedded

[Antonio]

Serpo, it is most likely a month old oil fire,I hope it`s not a nuke explosion ???

[Antonio]

http://vimeo.com/22586794
Latest from Arnie Gunderson, he seems like a rare honest dude among the commentators, no BS and no panic either.

[Serpo]

Japan's deadly game of nuclear roulette
Sunday, May 23, 2004
By LEUREN MORET
Special to The Japan Times

Of all the places in all the world where no one in their right mind would build scores of nuclear power plants, Japan would be pretty near the top of the list.

An aerial view of the Hamaoka plant in Shizuoka Prefecture, "the most dangerous nuclear power plant in Japan"



The Japanese archipelago is located on the so-called Pacific Rim of Fire, a large active volcanic and tectonic zone ringing North and South America, Asia and island arcs in Southeast Asia. The major earthquakes and active volcanoes occurring there are caused by the westward movement of the Pacific tectonic plate and other plates leading to subduction under Asia.

Japan sits on top of four tectonic plates, at the edge of the subduction zone, and is in one of the most tectonically active regions of the world. It was extreme pressures and temperatures, resulting from the violent plate movements beneath the seafloor, that created the beautiful islands and volcanoes of Japan.

Nonetheless, like many countries around the world -- where General Electric and Westinghouse designs are used in 85 percent of all commercial reactors -- Japan has turned to nuclear power as a major energy source. In fact the three top nuclear-energy countries are the United States, where the existence of 118 reactors was acknowledged by the Department of Energy in 2000, France with 72 and Japan, where 52 active reactors were cited in a December 2003 Cabinet White Paper.

The 52 reactors in Japan -- which generate a little over 30 percent of its electricity -- are located in an area the size of California, many within 150 km of each other and almost all built along the coast where seawater is available to cool them.

However, many of those reactors have been negligently sited on active faults, particularly in the subduction zone along the Pacific coast, where major earthquakes of magnitude 7-8 or more on the Richter scale occur frequently. The periodicity of major earthquakes in Japan is less than 10 years. There is almost no geologic setting in the world more dangerous for nuclear power than Japan -- the third-ranked country in the world for nuclear reactors.

"I think the situation right now is very scary," says Katsuhiko Ishibashi, a seismologist and professor at Kobe University. "It's like a kamikaze terrorist wrapped in bombs just waiting to explode."

Last summer, I visited Hamaoka nuclear power plant in Shizuoka Prefecture, at the request of citizens concerned about the danger of a major earthquake. I spoke about my findings at press conferences afterward.

A map of Japan annotated by the author, showing the tectonic plates, areas of high ("observed region") and very high ("specially observed") quake risk, and the sites of nuclear reactors


Because Hamaoka sits directly over the subduction zone near the junction of two plates, and is overdue for a major earthquake, it is considered to be the most dangerous nuclear power plant in Japan.

Together with local citizens, I spent the day walking around the facility, collecting rocks, studying the soft sediments it sits on and tracing the nearly vertical faults through the area -- evidence of violent tectonic movements.

The next day I was surprised to see so many reporters attending the two press conferences held at Kakegawa City Hall and Shizuoka Prefecture Hall. When I asked the reporters why they had come so far from Tokyo to hear an American geoscientist, I was told it was because no foreigner had ever come to tell them how dangerous Japan's nuclear power plants are.

I told them that this is the power of gaiatsu (foreign pressure), and because citizens in the United States with similar concerns attract little media attention, we invite a Japanese to speak for us when we want media coverage -- someone like the famous seismologist Professor Ishibashi!

When the geologic evidence was presented confirming the extreme danger at Hamaoka, the attending media were obviously shocked. The aerial map, filed by Chubu Electric Company along with its government application to build and operate the plant, showed major faults going through Hamaoka, and revealed that the company recognized the danger of an earthquake. They had carefully placed each reactor between major fault lines.

"The structures of the nuclear plant are directly rooted in the rock bed and can tolerate a quake of magnitude 8.5 on the Richter scale," the utility claimed on its Web site.

From my research and the investigation I conducted of the rocks in the area, I found that that the sedimentary beds underlying the plant were badly faulted. Some tiny faults I located were less than 1 cm apart.

When I held up samples of the rocks the plant was sitting on, they crumbled like sugar in my fingers. "But the power company told us these were really solid rocks!" the reporters said. I asked, "Do you think these are really solid?' and they started laughing.

On July 7 last year, the same day of my visit to Hamaoka, Ishibashi warned of the danger of an earthquake-induced nuclear disaster, not only to Japan but globally, at an International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics conference held in Sapporo. He said: "The seismic designs of nuclear facilities are based on standards that are too old from the viewpoint of modern seismology and are insufficient. The authorities must admit the possibility that an earthquake-nuclear disaster could happen and weigh the risks objectively."

After the greatest nuclear power plant disaster in Japan's history at Tokai, Ibaraki Prefecture, in September 1999, large, expensive Emergency Response Centers were built near nuclear power plants to calm nearby residents.

After visiting the center a few kilometers from Hamaoka, I realized that Japan has no real nuclear-disaster plan in the event that an earthquake damaged a reactor's water-cooling system and triggered a reactor meltdown.

Additionally, but not even mentioned by ERC officials, there is an extreme danger of an earthquake causing a loss of water coolant in the pools where spent fuel rods are kept. As reported last year in the journal Science and Global Security, based on a 2001 study by the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, if the heat-removing function of those pools is seriously compromised -- by, for example, the water in them draining out -- and the fuel rods heat up enough to combust, the radiation inside them will then be released into the atmosphere. This may create a nuclear disaster even greater than Chernobyl.

If a nuclear disaster occurred, power-plant workers as well as emergency-response personnel in the Hamaoka ERC would immediately be exposed to lethal radiation. During my visit, ERC engineers showed us a tiny shower at the center, which they said would be used for "decontamination' of personnel. However, it would be useless for internally exposed emergency-response workers who inhaled radiation.

When I asked ERC officials how they planned to evacuate millions of people from Shizuoka Prefecture and beyond after a Kobe-magnitude earthquake (Kobe is on the same subduction zone as Hamaoka) destroyed communication lines, roads, railroads, drinking-water supplies and sewage lines, they had no answer.

Last year, James Lee Witt, former director of the U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency, was hired by New York citizens to assess the U.S. government's emergency-response plan for a nuclear power plant disaster. Citizens were shocked to learn that there was no government plan adequate to respond to a disaster at the Indian Point nuclear reactor, just 80 km from New York City.

The Japanese government is no better prepared, because there is no adequate response possible to contain or deal with such a disaster. Prevention is really the only effective measure to consider.

In 1998, Kei Sugaoka, 51, a Japanese-American senior field engineer who worked for General Electric in the United States from 1980 until being dismissed in 1998 for whistle-blowing there, alerted Japanese nuclear regulators to a 1989 reactor inspection problem he claimed had been withheld by GE from their customer, Tokyo Electric Power Company. This led to nuclear-plant shutdowns and reforms of Japan's power industry.

Later it was revealed from GE documents that they had in fact informed TEPCO -- but that company did not notify government regulators of the hazards.

Yoichi Kikuchi, a Japanese nuclear engineer who also became a whistle-blower, has told me personally of many safety problems at Japan's nuclear power plants, such as cracks in pipes in the cooling system from vibrations in the reactor. He said the electric companies are "gambling in a dangerous game to increase profits and decrease government oversight."

Sugaoka agreed, saying, "The scariest thing, on top of all the other problems, is that all nuclear power plants are aging, causing a deterioration of piping and joints which are always exposed to strong radiation and heat."

Like most whistle-blowers, Sugaoka and Kikuchi are citizen heroes, but are now unemployed.

The Radiation and Public Health Project, a group of independent U.S. scientists, has collected 4,000 baby teeth from children living around nuclear power plants. These teeth were then tested to determine their level of Strontium-90, a radioactive fission product that escapes in nuclear power plant emissions.

Unborn children may be exposed to Strontium-90 through drinking water and the diet of the mother. Anyone living near nuclear power plants is internally exposed to chronically low levels of radiation contaminating food and drinking water. Increased rates of cancer, infant mortality and low birth weights leading to cognitive impairment have been linked to radiation exposure for decades.

However, a recent independent report on low-level radiation by the European Committee on Radiation Risk, released for the European Parliament in January 2003, established that the ongoing U.S. Atomic and Hydrogen Bomb Studies conducted in Japan by the U.S. government since 1945 on Hiroshima and Nagasaki survivors underestimated the risk of radiation exposure as much as 1,000 times.

Additionally, on March 26 this year -- the eve of the 25th anniversary of the worst nuclear disaster in U.S. history, at the Three Mile Island plant in Pennsylvania -- the Radiation and Public Health Project released new data on the effects of that event. This showed rises in infant deaths up to 53 percent, and in thyroid cancer of more than 70 percent in downwind counties -- data which, like all that concerning both the short- and long-term health effects, has never been forthcoming from the U.S. government.

It is not a question of whether or not a nuclear disaster will occur in Japan; it is a question of when it will occur.

Like the former Soviet Union after Chernobyl, Japan will become a country suffering from radiation sickness destroying future generations, and widespread contamination of agricultural areas will ensure a public-health disaster. Its economy may never recover.

Considering the extreme danger of major earthquakes, the many serious safety and waste-disposal issues, it is timely and urgent -- with about half its reactors currently shut down -- for Japan to convert nuclear power plants to fossil fuels such as natural gas. This process is less expensive than building new power plants and, with political and other hurdles overcome, natural gas from the huge Siberian reserves could be piped in at relatively low cost. Several U.S. nuclear plants have been converted to natural gas after citizen pressure forced energy companies to make changeovers.

Commenting on this way out of the nuclear trap, Ernest Sternglass, a renowned U.S. scientist who helped to stop atmospheric testing in America, notes that, 'Most recently the Fort St. Vrain reactor in Colorado was converted to fossil fuel, actually natural gas, after repeated problems with the reactor. An earlier reactor was the Zimmer Power Plant in Cincinnati, which was originally designed as a nuclear plant but it was converted to natural gas before it began operating. This conversion can be done on any plant at a small fraction [20-30 percent] of the cost of building a new plant. Existing turbines, transmission facilities and land can be used."

After converting to natural gas, the Fort St. Vrain plant produced twice as much electricity much more efficiently and cheaply than from nuclear energy -- with no nuclear hazard at all, of course.

It is time to make the changeover from nuclear fuel to fossil fuels in order to save future generations and the economy of Japan.
Leuren Moret is a geoscientist who worked at the Lawrence Livermore Nuclear Weapons Laboratory on the Yucca Mountain Project, and became a whistle-blower in 1991 by reporting science fraud on the project and at Livermore. She is an independent and international radiation specialist, and the Environmental Commissioner in the city of Berkeley, Calif. She has visited Japan four times to work with Japanese citizens, scientists and elected officials on radiation and peace issues. She can be contacted at leurenmoret@yahoo.com

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20040523x2.html

[beefsteak]

Do Not mistakenly believe that the US Gov has your back when it comes to alerting you whether or not the radiation you are receiving is safe or not.


In Korea they closed 130 schools because they recorded 2.02 Becquerels per liter of iodine 131
40 other schools were put on reduced schedules.

In California at Berkley University they recorded 20.1 Becquerel per liter of iodine 131 which is 10 times as much then the Korean schools monitored and the school remained open.


i believe the decision was made to back-burner the news, to go with the "move along, nothing to see here" approach.

i think that was one of the reasons they chose Obama, they knew he'd go along with the program instead of warning people. he already showed his true colors with the BP disaster. just as he took his family to Florida for a photo-op (they were actually photographed going into the water in an inland bay).

in the case of BP, he completely sided with the Anglo-Persian Oil Company (the former name of BP.)


but i appreciate the information and i am adjusting my food-buying accordingly !

but i'm in a quandary about oranges. normally, in the US, they come from Florida or California. that's a heck of a choice - do i want trace quantities of Corexit with my Vitamin C, or some radiation ?


Gunny,
you make an excellent point!

In all seriousness, I was going to recommend the largest competitor to US grown oranges, that being Brazil. So, you choices as I see it are Corexit, Radiation or Spanish speaking Oranges.

Since, we all know "oranges don't actually speak" ....THAT brings up another point...food labeling.

What an insanely simple way to obfuscate edibles' sourcings: switching labels, removing labels, intentionally mislabeling.

Using the (Dr. Phil made popular) technique of pursuing extrapolation out to the end point,
....short of enormous square-footage dedicated to ornamental bonsai orange trees--and I'm not even sure said pinkie sized orange fruit would even be consumable--it appears the orange industry and its powerful lobby are in for some serious boycotting of oranges and the like.

...or, we should all be researching fruit labeling technology stocks!

What say you?

beefsteak

[Large Sarge]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpSv9qRObBU

[beefsteak]

Thanks to John Q Public, I ran across this 3/17/2011 YouTube interview w/George Edwards, a nuclear expert as decreed by the Canadian TV reporter for CTV...

In it-- at the 5:37 mark--he discusses the pyrophoricity of Zircaloy cladding. He describes said flames as "dancing like sparklers"... reminded me of an earlier post on this thread...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk4ApDt-PQc

[beefsteak]

Shared observations from a North America based consumer and our responses.

The milk problem is solved...for now. Haven't made our own butter ever, nor cheese.
Fact is, wife is having a hard time opening her last carton of half-n'-half and she makes killer scalloped potatoes when she uses that stuff. I can't be a bull in her china closet about it, as that is her "demon to beard." Doubt it will spoil, but we need less stress about non-radiated food around here, not more.

The fresh veggies problem is being addressed with the usual suspects: greenhouse, hydroponics, etc. Didn't can any, didn't blanche any last year either. Wishing I'd paid more attention to the freebie help ImaCannin was offering b4 she disappeared off of here.
Fact is: Ponce has stored up all the TP, b/c he knows down to the roll how much he uses in 1 year, plus has some extra to barter with. Me? I don't know how many onions, carrots or peas and beans we eat in a year.

Us? We don't have a clue HOW MUCH greenhouse nor hydroponics footprint/space it takes to grow one carrot, one green onion, nor one strawberry plant for 1 individual, this growing season. Where is THAT CHART? We do know we will eat have eaten every darned tomato we can produce every summer past...that's about it in the "knowing department." Oh, and zuchini? We CAN do zuchini! My Mother -may she rest in peace- used to make from scratch great zuchini bread. But she's no longer here.

The food storage problem has been addressed prior. Not recently!
Fact is: don't have any more room to put "in planning stage" newly dehydrated stuff we're learning how to do, and it's slow. WHY? Because we've run out of "pantry room." No new room = procrastination in learning to dehydrate.

Where's the SOLUTION to more ECONOMICAL FOOD STORAGE? I remember my parents renting freezer space at the local butchers back in the day. I can't even find one of those? Anyone come up with a "POD for Frozen Food" rental concept yet? Oh, yeah, that's right: "if we don't hold it, we don't own it" is ringing in my ears.

The water problem is solved for now.
Fact is: learned the local municipality from which this burg gets its well water is struggling with ARSENIC mitigation with the help of a local engineering firm. :o How the heck does Joe and Sally homeowner like us test our well water for arsenic? TDS meter?
That just tells you there are dissolved solids, which arsenic would be....just not WHICH dissolved solid is being counted. That sucks! >:(

So, our plan to go "find another well" leaves us in the same spot: how do we tell if arsenic is in THAT neighbor's well??? Will the city tell us how deep the current wells are?
And what level to avoid that has proven to have the arsenic in it so we can ask our neighbor how deep their well is, and when the last time it was tested was. What is the current PPB level for tasty arsenic in public water now? Anyone?

Okay, okay, we'll pay for a well test. Seems only fair. Wonder how many wells we'll have to cough up testing money for? And on a fixed income? WHO THE HECK does that, reliably and for reasonable prices? And what kind of time backlog do we need to plan for in order to stretch existing water mitigations to cover --before switching?

The "foodsaver machine" problem has been solved.
Fact is: we don't have enough pre 3/11 food saver SUPPLIES to "foodsaver in" :oo-->

I could go on, but the stress is overwhelming at the moment.

No wonder America is schroomed. The thought of an entire "awake GS population" also juggling and struggling with their versions of the above.... well, I'm "feeling" shroomed myself, and need a break.

I think I'll go work on the plumbing now. Darned P-Trap!!! At least ABS pipe can be washed off and dried and glued...(translation: I don't have to grow, eat or drink "it"....)

beefsteak

[lapis]

I hear ya! The other day I bought my first carton of hemp milk. :sicko

I drank a couple of small glasses with a meal so I wouldn't notice the taste very much.

HOURS later, I had the worst heartburn ever! And I never get heartburn.

Over the weekend, I met with some people in a playgroup who are on the same page as far as eating whole foods go. The ones who consume dairy have decided not to stop doing so, and instead are using detoxing protocols, specifically the ACZ brand of liquid zeolite.

I belong to a lot of online nutrition groups, and there have been surprisingly very few posts about dealing with radiation in food. But raw paleo diet guru Aajonus Vonderplanitz still recommends consuming raw dairy, at least he did last month (I wonder if he has seen the recent food monitoring reports from UC Berkeley, though?).

(I like raw dairy, but I will never eat unsalted cheese! Ick.)


Radiation Fallout Protection - from Aajonus (http://www.wewant2live.com/site/811618/page/1840437)


Hi, mutual natural health-lovers,

As the radiation fallout cloud moves along the Eastward-bound jetstream to USA and Canada from Japan, the flurry of information on radiation protection has moved with it. Most of them focused on protecting the thyroid with an iodine supplement, that is, iodide or iodate. If you will investigate the Chernobyl crises of 25 years ago, the consumption of iodine did not prevent thyroid cancer, leukemia or bone cancers but promoted them. Blocking radioactive iodine from thyroids sends it to bones and bone marrow, increasing risk of leukemia and bone cancers.

Appraisal of iodine
Any form of iodine that is not a natural part of fresh food is oxide, that is, it is rock. That includes any iodine supplement, even if the iodine were taken from a food source. Once it is processed into an isolated mineral, it is again rock, not food, whether powder, pill, or liquid. Animals cannot digest or utilize rock inter-cellularly, only plants can.

All iodine is radioactive isotope to varying degrees, not only iodine 131. That is why all forms of iodine, once exposed to radiation are radioactively charged or as long as 55,000 years. Iodine 131 may be radioactively charged for as long as 500,000 years.

When animals consume iodine supplements, it collects as mineral deposits somewhere in the body. Most often, I have found it in intestines, nervous system, brain, bones and bone marrow. If it were true and iodine supplements protected the thyroid, trading thyroid cancer for blood and/or bone cancer seems ill-advised to me. It is easier to affect thyroid therapy than bone and bone-marrow therapy. The thyroid is close to the skin but bone-marrow and bone are very difficult to affect directly because lymphatic circulation into those areas is extremely limited and slow. Blood-flow into those areas is also limited.

Having experienced iodine radiation treatments along with mechanical radiation treatments for metastasized stomach cancer, and having suffered the side effects of blood and bone cancers caused by radiation treatments, I can tell you that radiation-poisoning is terrible.

I suffered constant nausea, vomit and often diarrhea for years following those treatments. For my body to try and counter the radioactive iodine, my body ate its own bones to obtain the minerals calcium, magnesium, potassium and phosphorus to neutralize radioactive iodine and other radioactively charged minerals such as barium. I lost all of the bone around my teeth. My teeth dangling in my gums. When I closed my jaws and pressed teeth together, I bled profusely. I had up to 2 transfusions weekly. I had to drink all of my food.

Everything had to be made into liquid and consumed through large straws. After one year of consuming lots of raw dairy, my mandible bones restored and I could chew with very little gum bleeding. However, my gums remained purple (indications of radiation-poisoning) for decades and bleeding continued during teeth-brushing to this day, although very little, 43 years after radiation treatments. I suffered other radiation-poisoning symptoms for years.

Later, I was instructed by alternative doctors to consume colloidal iodine supplement. I did and it caused nausea, impotence and anxiety, the same symptoms as radiation-poisoning. I stopped after 10 days. Iridologically, the supplemental iodine appeared in the areas relating to my stomach and intestines which I associated with nausea. Our bodies try to dump many industrial chemical toxins into stomach because our bodies use HCL to neutralize many toxins. Nausea causes and is an indication of HCL-production if your vagus nerve is attached to your stomach.

Non-bioactively bound iodine, that is, iodine that is not a natural part of fresh raw food is toxic to varying degrees. It is rarely ever beneficial. The risks far outweigh any benefits except to those promoting and selling iodine supplements.

Generally, foods from the sea contain the most iodine, followed by other animal foods, and then plant foods. Of all foods seaweed, like kelp, is the most famous source of natural iodine however, humans digest about 2% kelp because it is a hard cellulose-based substance. Therefore, humans get almost no iodine from kelp. When it cooked, humans can derive much more from it but all of the minerals are cauterized and relatively free-radical. Raw eggs and raw dairy products are the best sources, followed by raw meats.

The USA government obviously wants us sick and/or dead. The HHS, FDA and CDC have campaigned against empirically and scientifically-proved-to-be-healthful raw milk for decades. Why? Is it because they know its high mineral concentration and soothing, nerve-protecting fats counteracts just about every toxin on earth? Their scientifically unsupported claims that raw diary is harmful and dangerous are as prejudicial and unfounded as any support of Apartheid was. If raw dairy were harmful, it would not have helped heal me from the myriad of diseases I suffered. I would not be alive and well today.

Raw dairy is 60% of my diet. The Masai, Samburu and Fulani thrived for thousands of years eating predominantly raw milk products. If raw dairy were dangerous and harmful, they would have been extinct thousands of years ago.

We must be as logical and sensible at all times or we will fall prey to pharmaceutical chemistry-based nonsense. If the risks of environmental contamination are bearing down on us, we must be more resolute and cautious.

Remedies for Radiation Contamination

Here are the things that effectively helped me reduce radioactive toxins and symptoms in my body:

Organic no-salt raw cheeses eaten frequently will help absorb and neutralize free-radical radioactive minerals; aloe vera gel eaten directly from the plant (do not eat green skin) helps soothe and heal radiation burn; oranges and avocados eaten together help neutralize radiation; pineapple and no-salt raw cheeses eaten together help dissolve cellular radiation damage and harness byproducts; papaya eaten with no-salt raw cheeses helps prevent scarring; no-salt raw butter eaten with no-salt raw cheeses helps prevent radioactive minerals from entering cells; no-salt raw butter eaten with unheated honey helps digestion and healing; and one ounce of raw milk consumed once hourly helps protect intestines and nerves.

Happy survival,

aajonus vonderplanitz, ph.d. nutrition

WeWant2Live.com

PrimalDiet.com

[Serpo]

Beefsteak........and others


http://transport.nilu.no/browser/fpv_fuku?fpp=conccol_Xe-133_;region=NH

scroll over to navigate time.....................

it dosnt look good

http://enenews.com/fukushima-forecast-uninterrupted-line-radiation-stretches-across-pacific-tracking-west-coast-canada-video


Radiation at No. 2 spent fuel pool millions of times above normal & thousands of times higher than troubled No. 4 pool (2716)
Top Japan official discusses “total meltdown” at Fukushima (2609)
Fukushima Forecast: Uninterrupted line of radiation stretches across Pacific, tracking towards West Coast of U.S., Canada (VIDEO) (2461)
TEPCO official reveals there is “little doubt” plutonium has leaked from Fukushima (VIDEO) (1458)
No. 2 reactor “is not being cooled”… water not getting into core — Containment and reactor do not have integrity, gases being emitted out of top (VIDEO) (1186)
LATEST NEWS
Latest webcam image shows clouds of radioactive steam rising from Fukushima… After color correction (COMPARISON PHOTOS)
Enormous amount of high-level radioactive waste coming from Unit No. 2 — Reactor and containment are breached (VIDEO)
No. 2 reactor “is not being cooled”… water not getting into core — Containment and reactor do not have integrity, gases being emitted out of top (VIDEO)
Radiation at No. 2 spent fuel pool millions of times above normal & thousands of times higher than troubled No. 4 pool
Top Japan official discusses “total meltdown” at Fukushima
LATEST FORECASTS
Fukushima Forecast: Uninterrupted line of radiation stretches across Pacific, tracking towards West Coast of U.S., Canada (VIDEO)
April 16 forecast shows radioactive cloud stretching from Texas to Canada
Cesium-137 forecast shows ‘near surface’ radiation cloud over Texas, Western US on April 15, 16 (VIDEO)

[beefsteak]

Serpo,
that reminds me that last night before I hit the sack, I found live NHK camera footage of a new plume arising from the reactors, just in the wee hours of dawn before the whole world could observe, and label it as "fog..." I might have thought it was fog as well...if it hadn't been for that pesky "Enenews" headline labeling it as the radiation cloud it truly was.... >:(

Thanks. You and John Q are right...this doesn't LOOK good, nor--I would add--taste good, smell good or feel good :yuk

beefsteak

[lapis]

Check out this whopper!

"We also spoke with the Director of the Nuclear Engineering and Radiation Health Physics at Oregon State and an expert in radioecololgical benchmarks, Professor Kathryn Higley. “People need to understand the iodine releases have basically stopped from the plant,” she says. “There might be some runoff, but the hefty discharges stopped over a month ago. Dilution is a pretty phenomenal thing." While she cannot 100-percent guarantee that it’s impossible for Cesium-137 to show up in area wildlife, she does say that it’s unlikely anyone would get a “whopping high dose.” She also emphasizes that toxic organisms and mercury, which are regular risks associated with sushi, are far more of a concern than radiation."

From: "Is It Safe to Eat Sushi? The Experts Weigh In (http://www.7x7.com/eat-drink/it-safe-eat-sushi-experts-weigh-0#comment-6597)"

[beefsteak]

Check out this whopper!

"We also spoke with the Director of the Nuclear Engineering and Radiation Health Physics at Oregon State and an expert in radioecololgical benchmarks, Professor Kathryn Higley. “People need to understand the iodine releases have basically stopped from the plant,” she says. “There might be some runoff, but the hefty discharges stopped over a month ago. Dilution is a pretty phenomenal thing." While she cannot 100-percent guarantee that it’s impossible for Cesium-137 to show up in area wildlife, she does say that it’s unlikely anyone would get a “whopping high dose.” She also emphasizes that toxic organisms and mercury, which are regular risks associated with sushi, are far more of a concern than radiation."

From: "Is It Safe to Eat Sushi? The Experts Weigh In (http://www.7x7.com/eat-drink/it-safe-eat-sushi-experts-weigh-0#comment-6597)"


Would be interesting to know how much sushi she's fed/feeding HER kids, grandkids, and nieces/nephews, parents if still living, siblings, etc.

Let's see...US Navy dosing with IoSat, vs a female Oregonian "professor" who says one thing and most likely is doing another in private. Academia in 'merica... makes me wince!

What's that old saying? "None so blind as s/he who will not see?"

[beefsteak]

Serpo,
that is a fantastic find for a link! THANKS, Buddy!



http://transport.nilu.no/browser/fpv_fuku?fpp=conccol_Xe-133_;region=NH

scroll over {little boxes lined up near top of page} to navigate time.....................

Now I don't have to rely upon Dutchsinse for my "animated map / news" when he frees up enough time to make and post a new YouTube. He's sure been helpful in making those of us that care, aware of what is out there. I didn't have the first idea of where to look, frankly.

Wish I could do more than increase your "karma" and thanks total. THAT is a keeper! |--0--| <---borrowed that one from SOLID's post... )

Also, the "legend on the far right" click on any of the most harmful Radionuclide Isotopes BLUE ARROWS under the major geographic location columns---to see/animate them

beefsteak

[Serpo]

Serpo,
that is a fantastic find for a link! THANKS, Buddy!



http://transport.nilu.no/browser/fpv_fuku?fpp=conccol_Xe-133_;region=NH

scroll over {little boxes lined up near top of page} to navigate time.....................

Now I don't have to rely upon Dutchsinse for my "animated map / news" when he frees up enough time to make and post a new YouTube. He's sure been helpful in making those of us that care, aware of what is out there. I didn't have the first idea of where to look, frankly.

Wish I could do more than increase your "karma" and thanks total. THAT is a keeper! |--0--| <---borrowed that one from SOLID's post... )

Also, the "legend on the far right" click on any of the most harmful Radionuclide Isotopes BLUE ARROWS under the major geographic location columns---to see/animate them

beefsteak


Stumbled upon it by accident and remembered you where looking for something like that ,forget about the karma and stuff ,we have to live long enough to enjoy that sort of thing first..........cheers Beefy

[beefsteak]

Here's more "fish story" for the Oregon Professor to masticate...thanks to Zero just now...great imagery at the link at the bottom...


FDA Refuses to Test Fish for Radioactivity ...
Government Pretends Radioactive Fish Is Safe

Submitted by George Washington on 04/19/2011 16:47 -0400

The FDA says it won't monitor radiation in fish on the West Coast of the U.S. As the Anchorage Daily News notes:

North Pacific fish are so unlikely to be contaminated by radioactive material from the crippled nuclear plant in Japan that there's no reason to test them, state and federal officials said this week.
***
DeLancey, the FDA spokeswoman, said "We have not been doing any testing. We've been working with NOAA to keep an eye on U.S. waters, to see if there is any cause for alarm, and we do have the capability to begin testing if that does occur."

Asked to explain what kind of monitoring was taking place in the ocean, DeLancey said, "You would have to talk directly to NOAA ... I don't really want to speak for another agency."

But NOAA fisheries spokeswoman Kate Naughton declined to answer questions and referred a reporter back to DeLancey and the EPA.

DeLancey said that so far, there's no reason for concern about Fukushima. The radioactive materials in the water near Fukushima quickly become diluted in the massive volume of the Pacific, she said. Additionally, radioactive fallout that lands on the surface tends to stay there, giving the most unstable ones isotopes like iodine time to decay before reaching fish, she said.

Of course, radioactive isotopes like cesium 137 are very long-lived, and so won't necessarily decay before they reach fish.

And - in typical Orwellian agency-speak - the FDA is trying to reassure people that eating contaminated fish poses no health risk. As the Wall Street Journal notes:

U.S. public-health officials sought Tuesday to reassure consumers about the safety of food in the U.S., including seafood, amid news that fish contaminated with unusually high levels of radioactive materials had been caught in waters 50 miles from the stricken Fukushima nuclear plant in Japan.

No contaminated fish have turned up in the U.S., or in U.S. waters, according to experts from the Food and Drug Administration (which isn't testing), Environmental Protection Agency and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. They expressed confidence that even a single fish sufficiently contaminated to pose a risk to human health would be detected by the U.S. monitoring system. (But would the government announce such detection?)

They also dismissed concerns that eating fish contaminated at the levels seen so far in Japan would pose such a risk. [Alexander Higgins points out that Japanese fish exceed federal radiation limits by 2400%]

Thomas Frieden, head of the CDC in Atlanta, said he expected continued detection of low levels of radioactive elements in the water, air and food in the U.S. in coming days, but that readings at those levels "do not indicate any level of public health concern."

Is this yet another example of the government responding to the nuclear accident by trying to raise acceptable radiation levels and pretending that radiation is good for us?

Indeed, the ocean currents head from Japan to the West Coast of the U.S.

As AP notes:

The floating debris will likely be carried by currents off of Japan toward Washington, Oregon and California before turning toward Hawaii and back again toward Asia, circulating in what is known as the North Pacific gyre, said Curt Ebbesmeyer, a Seattle oceanographer who has spent decades tracking flotsam.

***

"All this debris will find a way to reach the West coast or stop in the Great Pacific Garbage Patch," a swirling mass of concentrated marine litter in the Pacific Ocean, said Luca Centurioni, a researcher at Scripps Institution of Oceanography, UC San Diego.

Here is what the North Pacific Gyre looks like:

link:http://www.zerohedge.com/article/fda-refuses-test-fish-radioactivity-government-pretends-radioactive-fish-safe

[beefsteak]

More on the North Pacific Gyre...(didn't even know we had one...) Sounds dangerous, especially if there are a mess of car-bodies and body bodies and and and...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Pacific_Gyre

[PatColo]

Yoichi Shimatsu (w/Rense)
Japan Update 4.18.11
Free MP3 - Listen (http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_Shimatsu_041811.mp3)

[PatColo]

Here's more "fish story" for the Oregon Professor to masticate...thanks to Zero just now...great imagery at the link at the bottom...


FDA Refuses to Test Fish for Radioactivity ...
Government Pretends Radioactive Fish Is Safe

link:http://www.zerohedge.com/article/fda-refuses-test-fish-radioactivity-government-pretends-radioactive-fish-safe

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It's just uncanny, the similarities between how the Gulf Depopulation/Disinformation Op, and the J. Radiation Depopulation/Disinformation Ops are being managed: IE both are centrally orchestrated "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars" Ops, pitting Corp/Guv/Mil/MSM against vast populations of their own citizens.

Re the Gulf Op, see:

[url=http://gold-silver.us/forum/preparedness/should-we-be-stocking-up-on-seafood/msg123201/#msg123201]Government withholding key data on Gulf seafood testing, scientists say (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/fda-refuses-test-fish-radioactivity-government-pretends-radioactive-fish-safe) (also see following posts in that thread from me)

Reporter: "Entire communities where they're vomiting blood" (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/reporter-%27entire-communities-where-they%27re-vomiting-blood%27/)

Emails expose BP’s efforts to control research into impact of Gulf oil disaster (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/emails-expose-bps-efforts-to-control-research-into-impact-of-gulf-oil-disaster)

BP Gulf Oil Disaster: Conspiratorial View Of History Perspective (http://gold-silver.us/forum/conspiracy-theories/bp-gulf-oil-disaster-conspiratorial-view-of-history-perspective/msg54635/#msg54635)

Russia: BP oil spill has caused far more serious impact on the environment than Fukushima (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/russia-bp-oil-spill-caused-serious-impact-environment-fukushima) - Granted, sensationalistic choice of headlines there, it was one Russian official who says so, see WSJ article linked inside.


Vladimir Uiba, head of Russia’s Federal Medical-Biological Agency… compared the contamination of seawater by the Fukushima complex with an oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico by BP PLC last year, and said, “The BP oil spill has caused far more serious impact on the environment than the Fukushima accident,” he said. …


Incidentally, the Gulf Op is, by some accounts, also a weather warfare op as one of its multiple agendas, see: Gulf Stream dying, Gulf Loop Current already dead- New Ice Age? (http://gold-silver.us/forum/gulf-oil-disaster/gulf-stream-dying-gulf-loop-current-already-dead-(says-stirling)/msg92614/#msg92614)

It's abundantly clear that the "disaster" (industrial/"accident" and/or "Act Of God" weather warfare (http://www.google.com/search?q=weather+warfare)) false flag, combined with centralized Guv/MSM public health disinfo campaigns aimed at actually increasing casualties, is to be a major component of TPTB's depopulation plan. TPTB's "War On [...]" hoaxes, and actual hot wars planned will take out many, but the real numbers are going to meet their demise as victims of the short/long-term outcomes of these and future "disaster" FF's. The "War On [...]" hoaxes are also in large part to roll out iron-fist police state legislation which wouldn't otherwise be tolerated by the public, such that TPTB can better control the chaos while their real economic-controlled-demolition and depopulation wars are waged against us.

[beefsteak]

Thanks, PatColo,

You know, 13 months ago, I would have read your contribution just now and marginalized that contribution. Now, I am reading and thoughtfully considering your points. And I want to thank you for making them, and posting them here.

It's taken me a long time to admit soft-kill is even on "the agenda" let alone there was an agenda to begin with. Not any longer. Katrina, and GoM, and Lindsey, and now Rense's Shimatsu, Dr. Saji, and Eng. Arnie, and and and...oh, and let's not deprecate Fukushima/TEPCO/USA-JAPAN Strategic Support Treaty of Jan 19, 1960 (thank you DDEisenhower) dallying and thumb twiddling is just too much evidence to support your postulates and elocutions.

Thanks for that post! Look forward to more from you to help us get our arms around what has happened to us, and sticking around even longer to help us figure out both sane and DOABLE responses. We just can't let all GS-USers we care about learn the hard way 'bout milk from Hemp causing heartburn for hours and hours afterwards. That's just too mean.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Yoichi Shimatsu (w/Rense)
Japan Update 4.18.11

Free MP3 - Listen (http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_Shimatsu_041811.mp3)



Just finished listening to your Rense/Shimatsu interview, this time from being "on Japanese soil" where last week he was reporting from HongKong.

Everyone is encouraged to take 30minutes to listen to PatColo's MP3 link posted above.

Here are some bullet points that may make the listening easier...and they are in order of my hearing

* The Black Current is the Humbolt Current. It is a narrow band of ocean current which acts like a
conveyor and is concentrating radiation within it for delivery directly to the west coast, especially as it impacts San Francisco. Said radiation is affecting the fish that MacDonalds makes Fish Fillets out of--Haddock I think Shimatsu said was the variety.

*# 2 EXPLODED, mini-mushruoom and all...sending Plutonium into the upper atmosphere. The fact that the closest it was found on the ground around F.-Diachi of 500 meters is proof positive of the power of the blast, b/c the Plutonium didn't particularly land inside the 500 meter radius.

* the spent fuel pool was emptied as the result of that (vaporizing) explosion, now euphemistically labeled a "blast" b/c it sounds better in the press.

* Shimatsu is in Japan/Tokyo itself, to bring phytoremediation knowledge and do so directly to the entrepreneurial farmers who realize the paralyzed govt will not be able to act quickly enough to help them clean up their soil before the radionuclides penetrate deeper into the topsoil.

* the Q. as to why 8-9 months before this mess can be contained was revealed. It is due to AREVA --who is the French firm already responsible for "re-processing Japanese spent fuel rods" contract...can't yet bribe enough foreign nations to take the "unable to re-process" nuke fuel waste and ship it "over there somewhere." ("Ode to Joy" refrain here) Yes, 3 of the desti-nations/countries were specifically named in that short audio (under 30mins.)

* the two warehouses already under retrofitting for Fukushima pre-3/11 waste--when this 9.1 Earthquake/14meter Tsunami "happened" were not scheduled to be open for accepting existing waste...according to already existing contracts when F. blew" until Jan 2012 at the earliest. So, that's why all this (my word) bumbling, mickey mouse, clap trap is going on. They can't shut F. down because there is no place to take the spent fuel rods that are still salvageable.

* Rense kept pounding on the "plume models and how it is freaking out the public" and not based on anything real. Shimatsu disagreed. Quite an interesting discussion followed, as Shimatsu talked about having one of those "sievert measuring wristwatches" (I believe G2Rad spoke to earlier on the forum) which he, Shimatsu, wore and used to measure radiation levels when he flew into Toyko from HongKong...the contextual inference was as "flew into Toyko" the last couple days.

* Shimatsu told very specifically about where the dangers were in flying in this radiation, and where in airports it was the most concentrated, and spoke to Delta by name as being one of the carriers affected. He mentioned a second Carrier by name, but I didn't catch it.

* Rense spoke to no-washdown of Aircraft nor decontam going on currently in USA.

* Shimatsu said he personally had observed (don't remember quantity or percentages) of regular people shopping with personal sievert detectors prior to making purchases there in Tokyo.

Please listen...it's fresh, and real, and I'm sure I missed stuff and nuances others on this forum will catch, especially those who are "frequent flyers." And Shimatsu, the reporter Rense interviewed...well, I dug up part of S's C.V. last mention of him one or two pages back. Shimatsu is the real deal as far as a Japanese/HongKong journalist is concerned.

beefsteak

[Horn]

It's just uncanny, the similarities between how the Gulf Depopulation/Disinformation Op, and the J. Radiation Depopulation/Disinformation Ops are being managed: IE both are centrally orchestrated "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars" Ops, pitting Corp/Guv/Mil/MSM against vast populations of their own citizens.

The kevlar tarp over the Denver airport doesn't seem to make sense, if it will be covered with irradiated snow.

Unless there are two clear nations/sides pitted against one another?

[PatColo]

thanks for the thanks beef. Having my "road map" calibrated accounting for the cold, conspiratorial realities we face at the whims of TPTB can be a lonely and thankless journey, even on GSUS let alone "real life"... try dropping the conclusions I proposed in my post #1639 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/japan-earthquake-tsunami-and-nuclear-disaster/what-if-the-jap-reactor-blows-what-will-be-the-effect-on-the-western-usa/msg215673/#msg215673) on the average J6P, and see what the reaction is?! I often quietly debate whether or not having a road map calibrated as such is a net help or a hindrance- given that it's hard not to simply get depressed and despondent over "what's really going on". Would I be "happier" as a well-conditioned sheeple? But alas it seems to be constitutional/hard-wired in me, that I want to understand the truth. At a minimum it's helpful in being able to "translate" CorpGuv/MSM disinfo aimed at giving populations the mushroom treatment (kept in the dark & fed a bunch of manure), aimed at herding them successfully off the impoverishment/early-demise cliff. Doesn't mean I have any inside track to what TPTB have planned exactly or how best to respond when I'm (part of a vast population) in the crosshairs of their latest op though, but a properly calibrated road map can surely be of help in staying out of the middle of the [engineered] frays. That lonely "awareness" got me all out of real estate, and almost all into PMs/energies in 2004, "in spite of the hype", is surely smelling like a rosey decision today. You know where I suspect real estate is still headed (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/cbs-60-minutes-mortgages-walking-away/msg42838/#msg42838), don't you? ;)

Re this radiation op, it may or may not be another "dot" to connect, that Rothschild's "Israel" has been de facto colonizing Patagonia and Tasmania for the past decade or so, as de facto "Little Israels". Both are deep in the Southern Hemisphere... ;) ;)

BTW my "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars" is ref to Ch. 1 of William Cooper's 1991 book, "Behold A Pale Horse" (http://gold-silver.us/forum/conspiracy-theories/bill-cooper%27s-%27behold-a-pale-horse%27-pdf/msg44358/#msg44358) (PDF inside).

Here's a repeat of post 1639, bottom of the prior page now, for posterity,





Here's more "fish story" for the Oregon Professor to masticate...thanks to Zero just now...great imagery at the link at the bottom...


FDA Refuses to Test Fish for Radioactivity ...
Government Pretends Radioactive Fish Is Safe

link:http://www.zerohedge.com/article/fda-refuses-test-fish-radioactivity-government-pretends-radioactive-fish-safe

[/url]



It's just uncanny, the similarities between how the Gulf Depopulation/Disinformation Op, and the J. Radiation Depopulation/Disinformation Ops are being managed: IE both are centrally orchestrated "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars" Ops, pitting Corp/Guv/Mil/MSM against vast populations of their own citizens.

Re the Gulf Op, see:

[url=http://gold-silver.us/forum/preparedness/should-we-be-stocking-up-on-seafood/msg123201/#msg123201]Government withholding key data on Gulf seafood testing, scientists say (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/fda-refuses-test-fish-radioactivity-government-pretends-radioactive-fish-safe) (also see following posts in that thread from me)

Reporter: "Entire communities where they're vomiting blood" (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/reporter-%27entire-communities-where-they%27re-vomiting-blood%27/)

Emails expose BP’s efforts to control research into impact of Gulf oil disaster (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/emails-expose-bps-efforts-to-control-research-into-impact-of-gulf-oil-disaster)

BP Gulf Oil Disaster: Conspiratorial View Of History Perspective (http://gold-silver.us/forum/conspiracy-theories/bp-gulf-oil-disaster-conspiratorial-view-of-history-perspective/msg54635/#msg54635)

Russia: BP oil spill has caused far more serious impact on the environment than Fukushima (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/russia-bp-oil-spill-caused-serious-impact-environment-fukushima) - Granted, sensationalistic choice of headlines there, it was one Russian official who says so, see WSJ article linked inside.


Vladimir Uiba, head of Russia’s Federal Medical-Biological Agency… compared the contamination of seawater by the Fukushima complex with an oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico by BP PLC last year, and said, “The BP oil spill has caused far more serious impact on the environment than the Fukushima accident,” he said. …


Incidentally, the Gulf Op is, by some accounts, also a weather warfare op as one of its multiple agendas, see: Gulf Stream dying, Gulf Loop Current already dead- New Ice Age? (http://gold-silver.us/forum/gulf-oil-disaster/gulf-stream-dying-gulf-loop-current-already-dead-(says-stirling)/msg92614/#msg92614)

It's abundantly clear that the "disaster" (industrial/"accident" and/or "Act Of God" weather warfare (http://www.google.com/search?q=weather+warfare)) false flag, combined with centralized Guv/MSM public health disinfo campaigns aimed at actually increasing casualties, is to be a major component of TPTB's depopulation plan. TPTB's "War On [...]" hoaxes, and actual hot wars planned will take out many, but the real numbers are going to meet their demise as victims of the short/long-term outcomes of these and future "disaster" FF's. The "War On [...]" hoaxes are also in large part to roll out iron-fist police state legislation which wouldn't otherwise be tolerated by the public, such that TPTB can better control the chaos while their real economic-controlled-demolition and depopulation wars are waged against us.

[Serpo]

Yes PatColo the truth can be a bitch and have thought that myself ,if not knowing would be better and be just lead to our slaughter.

But alas this is not the case as once the truth is seen all else changes and nothing is quite the same again.

I see Beefsteak admitting to waking up in some ways and this is well great but the pain a person has to go thru to grasp some of this is not very fair.

Better to see than be blind (I think)

[Serpo]

More on the North Pacific Gyre...(didn't even know we had one...) Sounds dangerous, especially if there are a mess of car-bodies and body bodies and and and...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Pacific_Gyre




And what this current just goes around and around?



also this....

French company to decontaminate Daiichi water

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/19_33.html

[PatColo]

The "five stages of grief" comes to mind... reaching stage 5 ("acceptance") and still finding a way to be happy/optimistic/etc is where the challenge is, because without that, the question of "is the red pill worth it" continues to dog. That and the nagging question: imagining I/we stay aware & nimble & quick in avoiding TPTB's agenda for us of impovershment, health catastrophe/premature demise/etc, will the living envy the dead? What kind a world will be left? The satanists' global neo-feudal high-tech police state? (http://policestateplanning.com/id19.htm)

No thanks, as this person expressed in this letter to Ed Griffin: WHAT'S THE POINT OF TRYING, OR EVEN OF LIVING? (http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/freedomcontent.cfm?fuseaction=despair&refpage=issues) Ed's "...wonderful opportunity this is for us to make a difference at a critical time in history..." response is about the only rosey answer available, it seems.

[Horn]

No thanks, as this person expressed in this letter to Ed Griffin: WHAT'S THE POINT OF TRYING, OR EVEN OF LIVING? (http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/freedomcontent.cfm?fuseaction=despair&refpage=issues) Ed's "...wonderful opportunity this is for us to make a difference at a critical time in history..." response is about the only rosey answer available, it seems.




The response;

Yes, things are looking grim; but, on the other hand, what a wonderful opportunity this is for us to make a difference at a critical time in history. Doing nothing but watching and worrying is enough to depress anyone, but once we get moving and begin to participate in meaningful activity to combat the evil forces, our lives begin to take on meaning. I, for one, am grateful that I have a chance to change history. If you are not already a member of Freedom Force, now is the time to come on in and help us make a difference. It’s a fabulous once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

Some on site have mentioned a dis-incorporating from the system, though it is still not being received well by others...

[Serpo]

World Exclusive Photos
Inside Fukushima (Dead Zone)


http://www.rense.com/general93/deadz.htm



Agency admits 'melting' of N-fuel

The Yomiuri Shimbun

The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency has reported to a Cabinet Office safety panel that nuclear fuel pellets in the Nos. 1 to 3 reactors at the quake-hit Fukushima power station are believed to have partially melted.

The report was the first time the agency, an organ of the Economy, Trade and Industry Ministry, has acknowledged that nuclear fuel has melted at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant.

Hidehiko Nishiyama, a spokesman for the agency, told a press conference Monday about the agency's report to the Nuclear Safety Commission. The agency had previously only described the nuclear fuel as having been at least 3 percent "damaged."

According to Nishiyama, damage to reactors can be described in three phases of increasing severity. In the first phase of initial damage to a reactor's core, the metallic casing surrounding the fuel pellets are damaged but the pellets remain intact. The second phase involves some melting of nuclear fuel. In the third phase, what is known as a meltdown, all the fuel pellets melt and accumulate at the bottom of the containment vessel.

The agency said it now believes the fuel pallets have melted because of the high levels of radiation detected at the Nos. 2 and 3 reactors. Melting fuel pellets also likely led to a hydrogen explosion at the No. 1 reactor, Nishiyama said.

Tokyo Electric Power Co., the operator of the crippled plant, has said the cores of the Nos. 1 to 3 reactors have been damaged by 25 percent to 70 percent. But the agency emphasized that these figures are only estimates.

"We can't say for sure about how much has melted until the rods are actually taken out," Nishiyama said.
(Apr. 20, 2011)
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T110419004267.htm

[Neuro]

Melting fuel pellets also likely led to a hydrogen explosion at the No. 1 reactor, Nishiyama said. Yes, that was around the 12th of March, now why didn't you say anything before? Fuckers!

[beefsteak]

The Eng. Arnie G. vimeo last night (which is able to be decrypted by KeepVid.com and personally stored on HDD) certainly made interesting and verifiable assertions wrt at least 3 reactors based upon temp and pressure charted data Arnie displayed, using familiar X/Y axis with Y being time dataset charting...

The thing that is bothering me is the consciously picked up on "hints" that are cumulatively emerging: there are cascading meltdowns within the entire Daichi plant site... leaving one to wonder why the previously announced problems of 5 and 6 have "fallen off" (or were they pushed off?) the public radar screens?

Arnie's 1 cubic centimeter contaminated water extrapolation of the test in 4 to the gawd awful level of contamination of plutonium currently in the atmosphere is beyond staggering. It's a game changer in both its implications and enormity.

Ever feel like one is in a glass on one-side, childhood "educational toy" ant farm, and the bankers are peering at us, pointing and guffawing? Remember how the ants couldn't get out because it was a hermetically sealed atmosphere? And remember how we as children would shake it and destroy the tunnels etc., just to watch the ants--whom we could not hear scream in frustration inside their glass tomb--deal with the devastation and loss of their previous efforts to build, live and not bother anybody?

[Spectrism]

With the continued corruption and evil actions of foolish men, I keep getting reminded that calamity and harsh judgment upon men is righteous and just.

Let's not be surprised by the next events... and some of them will come out of nowhere- much like we did not expect FUKUshima. This radioactive poisoning has been going on for 60 years and now it is reaching the extent of closure on our race. This stuff does not go away. It does not biodegrade. It kills and disrupts functions of life.


Just listening to that Leuren Monet clip- she said FUKUshima nuked the world 10 times worse than Chernobyl. And, I was appalled by Chernobyl.

[Serpo]

Retired nuclear engineer worried by lack of news from Japan
Pratt, Kan. —

The recent silence from Japan about conditions at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear facility that was damaged in the March 11 earthquake and tsunami has a local man wondering just how severely the facility has been damaged.

The one thing he does know is that whatever is going on inside the reactors is very serious.

“It’s been kind of quiet out of Japan. This is not good,” said Eddie Petrowsky, nuclear engineer, area farmer and former employee of the Morris, Ill., Dresden No. 2 Nuclear reactor. “They’ve got some major problems.”

Petrowsky worked for two and half years as the lead nuclear engineer at the Morris facility, which is of the same type as the Fukushima facility, so he is familiar with its construction and operation.

When the earthquake and tsunami hit, Petrowsky watched with great interest how the facility would handle the crisis and control the threat of radiation contamination.

The Japanese are getting close to a point where they may have to turn each of the damaged reactors into a sand and concrete sarcophagus similar to the sarcophagus at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in Ukraine following an explosion on April 26, 1986, Petrowsky said.

The people working at the accident site have been exposed to a lot of radiation and Petrowsky said that survivability was probably slim and the workers would obviously have a lot of health issues.

When the earthquake and tsunami hit the reactors went into shutdown or scram. Water is supposed to be pumped continuously to keep the reactors cool but both the outside power and backup power failed. It was never assumed that the plant would lose coolant but when all the power failed that is exactly what happened.

Without those systems the critical coolant water that helps produce steam and keeps the reactor temperate at a safe level did not circulate and the reactors and the fuel pool began to heat up, Petrowsky said.

“They were worried about the water level,” Petrowsky said.

He wants to know why the Japanese didn’t bring in stand by generators. The country makes generators, American Navy vessels were in the area and had generators so why weren’t generators brought in, Petrowsky said.

The loss of water caused dangerous heat to build up leading to hydrogen gas explosions that damaged three of the plant’s six reactors.

Each of the nuclear reactors at the site has three containment vessels. The reactor is a containment vessel itself. Around the reactor is the primary containment vessel and around that is the secondary containment vessel, Petrowsky said.

When the water failed the temperature inside the reactor rose and caused pressure to buildup inside the primary containment vessel. To relieve that pressure, hydrogen steam was released from the primary containment vessel into the secondary containment vessel. The release caused a buildup of hydrogen the rejoined with oxygen and the pressure was too great and it blew the roofs off the secondary containment vessels. That is what people saw exploding on television.

So the primary containment vessels still held but inside the primary, without cooling water, damage continued and it is that damage plus the damage to the fuel pool that has Petrowsky wondering what the Japanese are going to do with the facility.

And it wasn’t just the water in the reactors that was the problem. When the boron fuel rods used to control the nuclear reaction in the reactor have been used up they are still radioactive and will stay that way for thousands of years.

Those rods are stored in a fuel pool that continuously covers the rods with recirculated water that keeps the temperature down and controls radiation. The fuel pool doesn’t have a containment building like the reactor but just a metal building.

When the water failed, the rods got hot and caused a hydrogen explosion that blew the top of the fuel pool building off releasing radioactive steam, Petrowsky said.

When the aircraft flew over the site and dropped boron on the facility they were trying to absorb the neutrons from the explosion. Boron rods absorb neutrons and are used to control the nuclear reaction. The more the rods are pushed into the reactor, the slower the reaction, the more they are pulled out, the greater the reaction.

The use of boron also told Petrowsky that the plant was using plutonium in the reactor. Most countries are prohibited from using plutonium because it is easy to use it to make nuclear weapons.

One thing that won’t happen at the plant is a reactor exploding like a nuclear bomb. A reactor would blow itself apart long before it could explode like a nuclear bomb.

“It’s virtually impossible for a reactor to blow up like a bomb,” Petrowsky said.
http://www.pratttribune.com/news/x1274032954/Retired-nuclear-engineer-worried-by-lack-of-news-from-Japan



Japan to enforce nuclear evacuation zone, official says


http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/20/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?hpt=T2

[Antonio]

What is strange is that Chernobyl workers used crude radiation shields that they made from lead sheet, they weighed 30 kilos.
Japs are going in dressed in what is really a plastic bag. They are walking there already dressed in body bags.

[Serpo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JfUO50dR90&feature=player_embedded

[beefsteak]

Thanks, Serpo.

I watched that video. Frankly, it wasn't too hard to make out the damage INSPITE OF THE CONDENSATION FOGGED lens inside the second set of doors from the blast in Reactor #3 unit. Their little camera trick didn't fool me one iota.

One thing I do when I suspect monkeyin' with imagery is to screen capture some stills,
then reverse the B&W
then use the enhancement/brightness/contrast/gamma tweaking tools.

What can I say...I'm channeling mentor "Probie McGee" of "NCIS" :D

The wreckage in the second reactor on the inside is not "innoculous" as they tried to paint it from this laptop.

[Antonio]

It seems like they are lying about the true radiation levels inside the plants, 5 hrs in there gives a year limit for nuclear workers...
This is nothing, I bet 5 minutes in there would do that.

[beefsteak]

Good point, Antonio,

They've consistently lied about so many things.......and for so long PRIOR to TEPCO acc'd to published reports,
their believability factor is somewhere between minus 100 and non-existent it would appear. And furthermore, they DON'T CARE! Nor does our Govt who basically is owned by GE and similar ILK (Mfg of Mark I reactors)

WRT those makeshift Lead Shields of which you spoke earlier. I've lifted one of those rolls in my younger years. Emphasis on Younger. There were NO old men in Chernobyl doing that work of which you speak.

Still aren't.

[beefsteak]

Just finished listening to April 13's interview of Dr. Michio Kaku, Nuclear Physicist, from Serpo's Sunday post.

50,000 TRILLION becquerels already released? I didn't know they made numbers "made that big," Serpo.

WHEW!

And TEPCO is trying to bring it down to understanding contaminating plutonium radiation in 1 cubic centimeter of #4 "pool" water sample? Unbelieveable!

Here's the live interview w/Kaku:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXDEEq_W2vo

SERPO's bullet points in #1604 post on this thread:

* On April 13, on Democracy Now, Physics Professor Michio Kaku called Fukushima reactors "ticking time bombs," saying Tokyo Electric (TEPCO) "has been in denial, trying to downplay the full impact of this nuclear disaster."

* Kaku explained a mathematical formula to determine an accident's level, saying this one "already released something on the order of 50,000 trillion becquerels of radiation," warranting a Level 7 rating.

* However, radiation keeps leaking. "The situation is not stable at all. So, you're looking at basically a ticking time bomb." The slightest disturbance causing more damage could increase the disaster's magnitude manyfold.


* He described a full core meltdown this way:

"Think of driving a car, and....all of a sudden (it) lunges out of control. You hit the brakes," but they don't work because "the earthquake wiped out the safety systems."

"Then your radiator starts to heat up and explodes. That's the hydrogen gas explosion. And then, to make it worse, the gas tank is heating up, and all of a sudden your whole car (bursts into) flames. That's (a) full-scale meltdown."

...

That's the current situation. So when TEPCO says things are stable, it's only "in the sense that you're dangling from a cliff hanging by your fingernails. And as the time goes by, each fingernail starts to crack. That's the situation now," extremely dangerous and uncertain.

...

Moreover, radiation contaminates air, water and soil. "Cows then eat the vegetation, create milk, and then it winds up in the milk. Farmers are now dumping milk right on their farms because it's too radioactive. Foods (also) have to be impounded in the area."

....

Further, Japan's limited evacuation zone is "pathetic." America recommended 50 miles for US personnel, and France advised their nationals to consider leaving Japan altogether.

Moreover, radiation levels are rising far beyond the evacuation zone.

.....

As for TEPCO and government officials, "(t)hey're literally making it up as they go along. We're in totally uncharted territory.

....

As a result, "we are the guinea pigs for this science experiment that's taking place. Then it could take up to 10 years to finally dismantle the reactor. The last stage is entombment....over a period of many years....in a gigantic slab of concrete."

....

Other concerns include sea water radiation "millions of times beyond legal levels" and radiation readings throughout much of the country, including Tokyo drinking water.

[PatColo]

on rense live now, hour will repeat @ 10 PT, listen: http://www.renseradio.com/listenlive.htm

WEDNESDAY
April 20, 2011

Dr. Russell Blaylock, M
The Japan Radiation Threat

[beefsteak]

PatColo,
that was a frustrating experience. I clicked on everything I could find on that link you offered, and nothing opened. Does somebody have to be a subscriber to make that page work? Any tips would sure help.

Any bullet points for the forum?

thanks for trying.
beefsteak

[PatColo]

Free VLC Player (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-windows.html) plays everything you throw at it, when you install make it default player for everything. I still have mixed results in windoze with this setup, IE it sometimes still doesn't default open with VLC (prolly a windoze dirty trick), so you have to open the directory where say, Rense's "16K.m3u (http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/livefeeds/16k.m3u)" is stored, right click the file, open with, choose VLC player (may have to tell windoze to "show all programs" to find VLC), and specify to always use this program for this file type.

g'luck... lemme know. Blaylock's hour repeats next hour (the whole 3 hour rense show repeats beginning 10 PM PT). I don't know anything about Blaylock, BTW.

eta: Dr. Blaylock - Japanese Radiation Could Pose Risk To US (http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/blaylock-radiation-us-japan/2011/03/15/id/389474) (is from 3/15)

[beefsteak]

Move along, Everything is Fine, Nothing to See, here....KYODO news photo gallery this morning.

--half a dozen photos of Matsusaka and Ichiro playing baseball in America

--1 photo of children playing football somewhere in Japan,

--Toyota is back at full staff, full day at work,

--New VW Beetle unveiled at auto show.

--AREVA's slim and slender french beauty CEO is featured in one PR portrait pix

--4 robot shots inside 1,2,3

--1 shiny new Japanese robot ready to do "heavy lifting" cameo shot

--Military vehicles (2 PCs and 1 Helo) being checked and washed/decontaminated

--one unsavory photo of Japanese Reserve Army poking around in chest deep mucky waters for bodies

TEPCO's CEO Shimizu is shown in public for the first time since he broke down crying over his ......... at the recent press conference. Maybe it is just me, but he sure has splotchy skin on his left cheek, after his recent hospital stay.

--wholesale fish market is open and reporting pre 3/11 sales levels....

--ordinary Japanese people line up in an airport terminal to welcome the first official tour group, a group from Korea since the disaster struck.

--one Tokyo ice cream seller displays her trademark, soft serve Parfait Tower treat, available at her retail store located at the base of a downtown Tokyo Tourist Landmark

[beefsteak]

Japan Times online picks up the cast aside KYODO ONLINE mantel... Miracle Fairy Dust now being tried...of course it is mixed with Zeolite.



Wednesday, April 20, 2011

Powder to remove radiation developed
Kyodo

A chemist and a domestic company have jointly developed a powder that can capture and precipitate radioactive substances in water and that could be used in the ongoing effort to deal with contaminated water at the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant, the chemist said Tuesday.

The powder, made of various chemicals and minerals, including zeolite, can remove radioactive substances such as iodine, cesium and strontium, according to Tomihisa Ota, a professor at Kanazawa University who developed it with Kumaken Kougyou Co., a pollution cleanup company in Akita Prefecture.

Ota said his experiments proved the powder can remove almost 100 percent of cesium when 1.5 grams of the powder are mingled with 100 milliliters of water in which cesium has been dissolved at a density of 1-10 parts per million. The tests also confirmed that the powder can remove iodine and strontium.

The substances used in the tests were not radioactive. But he said the powder can be used to dispose of radiation-contaminated water "because these substances have the same chemical properties, regardless of whether they are radioactive or not."

The densities of radioactive substances seeping into the water at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear complex are estimated at around 10 ppm. The powder was confirmed to have the ability to remove iodine even at a density of 100 ppm.

Large volumes of water containing radioactive materials have accumulated at the plant, which was crippled by last month's earthquake and tsunami, hindering efforts to bring it under control.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110420a2.html


Didn't F. just pitch 11,500T of LRW just last week, after a 200T+ per day feed and bleed operation was gushing openly into the sea?

Couldn't F. have spared some of that to practice on ... so they'd have REAL radioactive isotopes to test the fairy dust with a zeolite component on? Or do they only have a couple test tubes of this stuff available...

Fairy Dust vs. fish and kelp. Kelp and fish vs. Fairy Dust. Man that is a really hard decision, jis sayin'....

[beefsteak]

Here's another keeper.....



Wednesday, April 20, 2011

Tepco starts to pump out turbine 2 unit
Removal of toxic water key to restoration of cooling system

By KANAKO TAKAHARA
Staff writer

Tokyo Electric Power Co. started Tuesday pumping highly radioactive water at its Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant's reactor 2 turbine building into a nearby storage facility, a crucial step toward restoring the reactor's dedicated cooling system, the government nuclear watchdog said.


Because key equipment to activate the cooling system is located in the basement of the turbine building, workers can resume efforts to restore the cooling system once the radioactive water is pumped out.

"We believe there is no other option but to transfer the radioactive water to the storage facility," said Hidehiko Nishiyama, spokesman for the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency.

There is now about 25,000 tons of highly contaminated water in the turbine building and in an underground trench.

Tepco plans to pump 10,000 tons of radioactive water with more than 1,000 millisieverts per hour of radiation to the second-floor basement of the storage facility by around May 14. The storage facility is located about 800 meters from the No. 2 turbine building.

"Although the risk of radioactive leak (by transferring the water out of the turbine building) is not zero, measures have been taken to reduce that risk," another NISA official said.

Tepco laid as much of the hose as possible inside the turbine buildings of units 3 and 4 in case the radioactive water leaks out, NISA said.

Tepco waterproofed the storage facility and checked whether it could withstand an earthquake similar to the one on March 11, NISA said.

The utility said it will do its best to seal the entrance to the basement to keep seawater out in the event another tsunami strikes.

Tepco is also planning to install a water-purification system to reduce the levels of radiation and salt in the highly contaminated water, NISA said, adding the purified water is expected to be used to cool the fuel rods again.

It is believed water previously pumped in as a stopgap measure to cool the fuel rods leaked into the turbine building through the trench and a storage pit crack and then out into the ocean. That leak has been patched but disposing of the water has proved a big hurdle.

The storage facility seemed an ideal, if temporary, option, but low-level radioactive water was already being stored there. With the approval of NISA, Tepco earlier this month decided to dump the less contaminated water into the sea to make room for the highly radioactive water in the No. 2 turbine building. The move triggered strong criticism from the international community, including South Korea and Russia.

Meanwhile, remote-controlled U.S. robots inspecting the reactor 2 building to check the radiation level detected 4.1 millisieverts per hour just inside the entrance to the ground floor, Tepco said.

High humidity between 94 to 99 percent prevented the robots from checking the radiation level further inside.

Two robots, one with a radiation detector and the other with a video camera, were sent inside the building Monday. But because of the humidity, the camera lens fogged up and couldn't check the detector beyond the entrance, NISA said.

Separately Monday night, Tepco said it detected high radioactivity coming from the spent fuel pool of the No. 2 unit, indicating that either the fuel rods in the pool were damaged or steam containing radioactive materials that rose from the reactor dissolved in the pool water.

Some 160,000 becquerels per cubic cm of cesium-134, 150,000 becquerels of cesium-137 and 4,100 becquerels of radioactive iodine-131 were detected in a water sample extracted from the storing pool on Saturday.

Normally, these radioactive substances are not present at all.

Information from Kyodo added


N.Eng. Arnie G. stated 4/18, what the real amount of contamination becquerels in this pool are...remember? That correct number is 50,000 TRILLION becquerels, all together.

What's a few trillion becquerels between TEPCO/AREVA and friends, eh???

And this stuff about Tepco has laid, as in past tense, hoses in 3 and 4, as in already done this deed. Don't I just remember seeing the robot entering unit 3, and it couldn't even maneuver because of all the debris inside the building? Very Very strange TEPCO utterances...very very strange.


Which shell is the becquerel under? Place your bets and watch the hands now.

[gunDriller]

PatColo,
that was a frustrating experience. I clicked on everything I could find on that link you offered, and nothing opened. Does somebody have to be a subscriber to make that page work? Any tips would sure help.

Any bullet points for the forum?

thanks for trying.
beefsteak



i open the thread with the Youtube embedded in Youtube, so it's a Youtube webpage.

then i use Firefox Download helper to download it (right click on Youtube page, brings up menu, media, save as - sometimes offers *.mp4, sometimes offers *.flv as options.)

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/tag/DownloadHelper




--AREVA's slim and slender french beauty CEO is featured in one PR portrait pix


had to look that one up
http://geronimocoachingnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Anne-Lauvergeon-2.jpg

[PatColo]

gunD, beef was referring to the rense radio stream page I pointed to in the reply just above his post.
http://www.renseradio.com/listenlive.htm

they offer 3 stream types, .asx, .ram, & .m3u. I notice their links for "W.MediaPlayer" and "VLC" are the same, .asx stream. I run into intermittent problems with W.MediaPlayer playing common file types, I don't even mess around with the issue, just point the file to VLC Player and it plays.

[Spectrism]

I heard on the radio this a.m. that the Jap prime minister was telling people to buy food from farms in FUKUshima area and that they are safe to eat!!! It is just freekin amazing that they would betray their own people like that. We would never see such betrayal by Amerikan govt like that.... err.... ehh... nevermind.

[lapis]

I apologize if this has been posted before, but this has some great nutrition information for blocking radiation that I want to be sure you guys have at your fingertips:


Fighting Radiation Exposure – Naturally (http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/health-articles/2011/03/fighting-radiation-exposure-naturally.html)

With the recent nuclear catastrophe happening in Japan as well as the probability that nuclear events will continue to be a part of our world, it’s prudent to have good reference information as to how the body can be supported (using natural means) and protected should high radiation exposure become a reality. Knowledge and information empower and should always propel one toward effective preparation and planning, not fear. The power of fear is destructive in that it paralyzes resulting in unwise decisions. Along with knowledge and preparedness, we must also be aware of the very real probability that the general public will not be privy to factual information. Hopefully my readers will copy this information and place in a safe place for future reference.

Fighting Radiation & Chemical Pollutants with Foods, Herbs, & Vitamins by Steven R. Schechter, ND was required reading when I was studying for my ND. It’s difficult now to find copies at a reasonable price of this out of print but very informational book. Below are some of the chapter titles and information that Dr. Schechter deals with in his book as well as some of my own research/suggestions.

“These foods and food substances will enhance the immune system and protect
against the dangerous side effects of radiation.” –Dr. Steven R. Schechter.

The time to implement these foods is now in order to build up the body as well as the immune system. Most of the foods and vitamins/minerals are “protective” meaning that they should be implented before a radiation event occurs.

Each of these can be researched individually on the Internet such as “bee pollen+nuclear radiation protection”, etc. in order to find out how it is helpful/useful to the body.

Fighting Radiation with Food

Sea Vegetables – According to a 1964 McGill University study published in the “Canadian Medical Association Journal,” sodium alginate from kelp reduced radioactive strontium absorption in the intestines by 50 to 80 percent. The sodium alginate allowed calcium to be absorbed through the intestinal wall while binding most of the strontium, which was excreted out of the body. Some of the more popular sea vegetables to consume are kelp, arame, wakame and kombu. Canadian researchers reported that sea vegetables contained a polysaccharide substance that selectively bound radioactive strontium and helped eliminate it from the body. In laboratory experiments, sodium alginate prepared from kelp, kombu, and other brown seaweeds off the Atlantic and Pacific coasts was introduced along with strontium and calcium into rats. The reduction of radioactive particles in bone uptake, measured in the femur, reached as high as 80 percent, with little interference with calcium absorption. “The evaluation of biological activity of different marine algae is important because of their practical significance in preventing absorption of radioactive products of atomic fission as well as in their use as possible natural decontaminators.” Source: Y. Tanaka et al., “Studies on Inhibition of Intestinal Absorption of Radio-Active Strontium,” Canadian Medical Association Journal 99:169-75, 1968.

The Atomic Energy Commission recommends for maximum protection against radioactive poisoning for humans, taking a minimum of 2 to 3 ounces of sea vegetables a week or 10 grams (two tablespoons) a day of sodium alginate supplements. During or after exposure to radiation, the dosage should be increased to two full tablespoons of alginate four times daily to insure that there is a continual supply in the GI or gastrointestinal tract. There may be a rare concern of constipation but this can be avoided if the sodium alginate is made into a fruit gelatin. Agar, derived from sodium alginate in kelp, is a safe, nontoxic substance that can be used as a thickening agent or gelatin.

Bee Pollen – Studies show that bee pollen can significantly reduce the usual side effects of both radium and cobalt-60 radiotherapy and also the sickness after massive abdominal x-rays. One study showed that the proliferation of cancer cells stopped in cancerous tumors induced in mice. (This is only indicative and does not purport to be medical advice. One should go to the source and study the relevant information before drawing conclusions. Try to get real bee pollen from an organic bee keeper, uncooked.)

Bee Propolis - Besides the healing and anti bacterial qualities of this substance, it has been effective in clinical stages of radioepithelitis, i.e. inflammation of epithelial tissue due to radiation. (Same as above. Get unheated, raw organic honey; it is a good source of pollen, royal jelly and propolis.)

Beets – Beets have been shown to rebuild hemoglobin of the blood after exposure to radiation. Rats fed a diet of 20 percent beet pulp were able to prevent cesium-137 absorption and 97 to 100 percent more effectively than rats given no beets.

Dried, Primary-Grown Nutritional Yeast – Besides having Vitamin E, it also contains the nucleic acids RNA and DNA, both of which have been shown to have radio protective qualities. It has been shown to help rebuild and regenerate cells damaged by radiation, and also to produce relief from radiation poisoning and it’s many horrible symptoms. Nutritional yeast has a good amount of many important nutrients. Primary –grown yeasts bonds with and absorb heavy metals such as uranium, lead and mercury!

Garlic - Garlic’s high sulfur content supports natural antioxidant systems like glutathione. Garlic extracts protect red blood cells from radiation damage by a glutathione-related mechanism. In mice, garlic extracts prevented radiation damage to chromosomes in vulnerable bone marrow cells.

Onions – Cysteine, present in onions, binds with and deactivates both the radioactive isotopes and toxic metals such as cadmium, lead and mercury. The sulfur in cysteine helps the kidneys and liver detoxify the body.

Chlorophyll – A Report by Scottist in 1986 and report from Japan showed that increase absorption of Cadmium by Chlorella and increased excretion of Cadmium by threefold after intake of Chlorella from animal testing. Chlorella can also detoxify Uranium, Lead, Copper, PCB. Source: ” A good Health Guide: Chlorella” by William H Lee. R. Ph.D. and Michael Rosenbaum, M.D. Guinea pigs on a diet rich in chlorophyll showed increased resistance to lethal X-rays.
U.S. Army report in 1950

Oils – Plant oils such as unrefined and cold-pressed olive oil, flaxseed oil.

Foods rich in pectin – Pectin is able to bind radioactive residues and remove them from the body. It also acts as a natural chelating agent. Apples, guavas, plums, gooseberries, oranges and other citrus fruits are recommended. Be sure to effectively wash all fruit/vegetables before consuming.

Fighting Radiation with Vitamins & Minerals

Vitamin A – In 1974, researchers from India found that vitamin A, when taken internally by humans, hastened recovery from radiation. In 1984, Dr. Eli Seifter and a team of researchers fro the Albert Einstein College of Medicine….reported vitamin A and beta-carotene counteracted both partial and total body gamma radiation. It also improved the healing of wounds; reduced weight loss, thymic and splenic atrophy, and adrenal enlargement; and prevented gastro-ulceration and an abnormal decrease in red and white blood cell formation. (The therapeutic purposes, 25,000 to 35,000 IU are recommended for adults. During emergencies or crisis situations, intensive exposure may warrant as much as 40,000 to 100,000 IU of beta-carotene, but should be taken for no more than three to four weeks. Infants should not consume high amounts. This info is only very partial and you should consult the book for specifics.)

Vitamin C & Bio-flavonoids – Italian researchers in 1966 found that Vitamin D, in combination with vitamins A and the entire B Complex, helps remove radioactive isotopes such as strontium-85 and strontium-90 from the bones and the body. Vitamin D also helps protect against some common pollutants, including lead and cadmium, according to Airola in How to Get Well.

Vitamin E (natural not synthetic) – Radiation destroys leukocytes in both tissues and the blood, according to S. L. Robbins in Pathologic Basis of Disease ( W. B. Saunders, 1974). In Japan, I. Kurokawa and co-workers found that blood given vitamin E maintained a white cell count twice as high as blood not given vitamin E but exposed to the same radiation. Vitamin E has also been shown to produce internal and external protection in mice irradiated by cesium-137. Vitamin E and selenium are best taken at the same time since selenium preserves vitamin E.[Please check labels when buying vitamin E. 99% of the ones I see for sale in non-health-food stores like Wal-mart, Costco and Target contain synthetic dl-alpha tocopherol. When possible, purchase the complete vitamin E family: alpha, beta, gamma and delta tocopherol and the four forms of Tocotrienols (alpha, beta, gamma & delta)]

Interesting to note about the ACE (Vitamins A-C-E) - A remarkable study among X-ray technicians reveals just how powerful antioxidant vitamins can be. Radiology techs are nominally protected by elaborate shielding, but they’re still exposed to unnaturally high levels of radiation over the course of a lifetime. As a result they tend to have higher levels of tissue oxidation. But when a group of techs was supplemented with vitamins C (500 mg) and E (150 mg) daily for 15 weeks, their markers of tissue oxidation plummeted, and their levels of natural antioxidants (such as glutathione in red blood cells) rose significantly. (Kayan M, Naziroglu M, Celik O, Yalman K, Koylu H. Vitamin C and E combination modulates oxidative stress induced by X-ray in blood of smoker and nonsmoker radiology technicians. Cell Biochem Funct. 2009 Oct;27(7):424-9.)

B3 Nicotinic Acid – Have on hand the Acid form of B3 rather than the salt form, Niacinamide, which is basically useless. Several sources indicate that large doses of niacin B3 were used in treating victims of radiation poisoning after the Chernobyl meltdown. B3 will cause the body to detox and therefore it is wise to make sure that your liver has been detoxed and is supported properly. Chemical poisoning slows down the liver.

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[lapis]

Calcium – Protects against strontium-90, calcium-45 and other radioisotopes.

Magnesium – Like Calcium, magnesium prevents the uptake of strontium-90 and other radioisotopes. It helps to eliminate already absorbed strontium-90 as well. One study has shown that exposure to gamma radiation can decrease calcium and magnesium levels in the blood. As a result, optimal levels of both minerals in the diet are essential after one is exposed to higher amounts of radiation.

Selenium – As selenomethionine. Has been shown to decrease the mortality rate of rats exposed to irradiation, and to alleviate leucopenia (abnormal decreases of white blood corpuscles). Selenium greatly reduces cancer in animals exposed to cancer-causing agents.

Zinc – Natural zinc will help the body eliminate several toxic heavy metals, including cadmium, aluminum, lead, and excess copper.

Potassium – Cesium-137, cesium-134, potassium-40, and potassium-42 are radioactive, competitive sister elements of natural potassium, all of which are in the same chemical family. These radionuclides are absorbed by the body when there is a deficiency of natural potassium. They concentrate primarily in the reproductive organs and the muscles. Cesium-137 is common in nuclear fallout, and can often be detected in our food, soil, and water. The authors of one study described our biosphere as “contaminated with radiocesium.” Researchers discovered that after the accident at Chernobyl, iodine-131 and cesium-137 were the most prevalent radionuclides in samples of food from the USSR and from Poland, Hungary, and other parts of Eastern Europe. Cesium-137 is also already being used in some countries to irradiate foods as a means of extending their shelf life at the supermarket. Research by the Food and Nutrition Board of the National Academy of Sciences demonstrates that natural potassium decreases the concentration of radiocesium. Begin to add potassium rich foods such as bananas, potatoes+peels, etc. If a nuclear event escalates in which cessium is being released, then also adding supplemental potassium is recommended. Potassium regulation is affected by magnesium. For magnesium deficiency include leafy green veggies, pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds and black beans.

Iron – Research done in Czechoslovakia showed that whole body irradiation disturbed absorption of iron, and functions of red blood cells, plasma, and bone marrow. Other researchers found that amma-irradiation of the whole body or of the abdomen decreased absorption of iron, vitamin B12 and lipids.

MSM – As plants take in MSM from the soil they change it into amino acids such as methionine, cysteine and taurine which can protect against radiation as well as chelate heavy metals for elimination from the body. MSM also regulates the fluid that covers the airway surface of the lungs, preventing an inflammatory response and helping to regulate the exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide.

Fighting Radiation with Herbs
Siberian Ginseng – Soviet researchers have reported that eleuthero extract has radioprotective abilities, and can be used therapeutically in conditions of acute and chronic radiation and sicknesses such as hemorrhaging, severe anemia, dizziness, nausea, vomiting , and headaches due to x-rays.

Panax Ginseng – Hemorrhage was a symptom of humans exposed to atomic radiations in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Japanese research doctors found that “Panax ginseng prevented hemorrhaging tendency after x-irradiation.” Bone marrow death is one result of radiation damage to blood-forming tissues. It occurs ten to twenty days after exposure to high doses of radiation. Panax ginseng extract prevents bone marrow death and accelerates normalization of red and white blood cell counts in animal studies.

Gingko Biloba – According to Science News Daily, extracts of its leaves contain antioxidant compounds including glycosides and terpenoids known as ginkgolides and bilobalides. These compounds are thought to protect cells from damage by free radicals and other reactive oxidizing species found in the body. These are generated continuously by the body’s normal metabolism, and in excess in some diseases or after exposure to pollution or radiation. They damage proteins, DNA and other biomolecules and left unchecked can kill cells. Results suggest that ginko biloba extracts can neutralize the free-radicals and oxidizing agents produced in the cells by the radiation and so prevent them from undergoing apoptosis.

Black & Green Tea – The polyphenol epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG) derived from green tea protects animals from whole-body radiation, blocking lipid oxidation and prolonging life span. Several sources indicate that there were hundreds who survived Hiroshima at ground zero and the one thing they all had in common was drinking 20 cups of green tea per day.

Astragalus – An article published in Cancer, a publication of the American Cancer Society, reported that the aqueous extract of Astragalus membranaceus restored the immune functions in 90 percent of cancer patients studied.

Milk Thistle & Liver Support - A report suggests that milk thistle may prevent radiation toxicity. It enhances liver regeneration after exposure to heavy metals, radiation, or toxic chemicals. It reduces DNA damage and extends survival in animals exposed to dangerous levels of radiation. Silymarin’s free radical scavenging and direct antioxidant effects are credited with producing these results.

Fighting Radiation with Miscellaneous Substances

Distilled Water - Dr. Kenneth Sutter recommends drinking lots of distilled water for radiation poisoning. A tiny pinch of good quality sea salt in several glasses of distilled water each day will provide one with all the minerals and trace elements they need to stay healthy.

N-acetylcysteine – A glutathione precursor. As a source of sulfhydryl groups, NAC stimulates glutathione (GSH) synthesis, enhances glutathione-S-transferase activity, promotes liver detoxification by inhibiting xenobiotic biotransformation, and is a powerful nucleophile capable of scavenging free radicals. Studies at the Louisville School of Medicine have shown that Glutathione possesses a unique ability to slow the aging process. While Glutathione aids in the protection of all cells and membranes, a study at Harvard Medical School found that glutathione is especially able to enhance immune system cells, protecting against damage from radiation and helping to reduce the side effects of chemotherapy, x-rays, and alcohol. As a detoxifier of metals and drugs, glutathione also aids in the treatment of blood and liver disorders.

SSKI – Super Saturated Potassium Iodide. Protects ONLY the thyroid from radioactive idoine. If it is radioactive cessium that is being released, potassium iodide will not be effective for the areas where cessium will accumulate – mainly the reproductive system, kidneys and liver. (see potassium recommendations above) FDA – “It is also notable that the thyroid radiation exposures after Chernobyl were virtually all internal, from radioiodines. Despite some degree of uncertainty in the doses received, it is reasonable to conclude that the contribution of external radiation was negligible for most individuals. This distinguishes the Chernobyl exposures from those of the Marshall Islanders. Thus, the increase in thyroid cancer seen after Chernobyl is attributable to ingested or inhaled radioiodines. A comparable burden of excess thyroid cancers could conceivably accrue should U.S. populations be similarly exposed in the event of a nuclear accident. This potential hazard highlights the value of averting such risk by using KI as an adjunct to evacuation, sheltering, and control of contaminated foodstuffs.” This may reduce the risk of developing thyroid cancer in the future. Potassium iodide does not provide immediate protection from radiation damage, and does not have protective effects against other radiation exposure complications.

SSKI Dosage information: Adults: dose = 130mg KI; Children between 3 and 18 years of age: dose = 65mg KI; (Children who are 150 pounds or over should take the adult dose regardless of age.); Infants and children between 1 month and 3 years of age: dose =32mg KI; This dose is for nursing and non-nursing infants/children Newborns from birth to 1 month of age: dose = 16mg KI This dose is for both nursing and non-nursing newborn infants. Take one dose every 24 hours until the danger is past.

Beta-1,3 Glucan: Extracted from the cell walls of baker’s yeast it is a potent immune enhancer. It activates important macrophages and is also an anti oxidant. Studies by the Army showed that glucan was a powerful protectant against a lethal dose of radiation.

Lecithin – 2-3 tbsp. a day, will help counteract harmful effects of radiation.

Papain - In one particular study, 50 percent of rats that were given papain survived a normally lethal dose of radiation.

Thymus Extract – Animal studies demonstrate that thymus tissue extract can re-create immunity even after doses of radiation powerful enough to kill the all- important lymphoid tissue. The idea of thymus glandular feeding in cases of mild to extreme radiation exposure has been applied in numerous cases.

Charcoal – Has the ability to absorb and neutralize radioactive substances and some toxic materials. Researchers report that 10 grams or 1 tablespoon of charcoal can absorb about 3 to 7 grams of materials. German researcher found that charcoal air filters removed more than 70 percent of radioactive iodine from the air. Taking finely powdered charcoal has been found to be one-and-a-half times as effective as the tablets.

Organic Germanium 132 – Should be used in gram amounts for effectiveness. According to one study, “Radioactive rays release electrons that destroy cells and blood corpuscles….Germanium floating near the blood corpuscles skillfully catches those released electrons and lets them move around its nucleus.” In other studies mutagenesis of cells exposed to cesium-137 and gamma rays, was “remarkably reduced” without affecting cellular growth or survival. It seemed to improve the fidelity of DNA replication. Ge-132 protects cysteine, an amino acid with known protective value. Dose: 25 mg. to 100 mg. per day is often used in Japan. It can be derived from onions, pearled barley, and watercress.

Other Recommendations

Natural Geiger Counter: There is a plant that is a natural Geiger counter. The spiderwort plant is so sensitive to changes in radiation levels (its petals change color upon exposure) that it’s often used as a natural radiation detector (dosimeter), just as they use canaries in mines as detectors of poisonous gas. Some people like knowing that they have an ongoing monitoring system for radiation in the environment, and this is just another tip available in “How to Neutralize the Harmful Effects of Radiation or Radioactive Exposure.”

Sea Salt & Baking Soda & Clay - Add one pound of good quality sea salt and 1 pound of baking soda to chlorine-free water. Soak for 20 minutes and then rinse with cool water. Adding one pound of betonite, or other safe clay, to the sea salt and baking soda will increase the removal of radiation. Some specialists who work with radioactive isotopes use this method to remove radiation from their body. For an abnormaly high level of radiation exposure one can use this method three times a week for one month.

Sodium Bicarbonate – Dr. Mark Sircus writes, “So useful and strong is Sodium Bicarbonate that at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, researcher Don York has used baking soda to clean soil contaminated with uranium. Sodium bicarbonate binds with uranium, separating it from the dirt; so far, York has removed as much as 92 percent of the uranium from contaminated soil samples…the United States Army recommends the use of bicarbonate to protect the kidneys from radiation damage…sodium thiosulfate can be added to baths and that instantly neutralizes any chlorine in the bath water while simultaneously providing sulfur for the vital sulfur pathways.” “Uranium is one of the only metals that get significant bonding from carbonate. Just flushing a lot of bicarbonate through the system, along with whatever kidney support you are going to use, will be very helpful,” writes Dr. Chris Shade.

Probiotics - A 2007 study of 490 patients receiving radiation for various types of cancer found that those consuming probiotics throughout treatment were less likely to experience radiation-induced diarrhea. [Note that unpasteurized Miso contains beneficial probiotics.]

Zeolite - Zeolites have been used to decontaminate animals, particularly sheep and reindeer, which have ingested radiation following nuclear disasters such as Chernobyl. Addition of zeolites to contaminated soils has shown to reduce up-take of radionuclides by plants, and hence, reduce the spreading of contamination through the food chain. (Introduction to Zeolite Science and Practice by Herman van Bekkum). Do not take any product containing zeolite if you are taking any prescription medication containing heavy metals, such as lithium, or containing platinum, which can be found in some cancer medications or Radiotherapy with chemotherapy check with your practitioner.

More Info for Contemplation

People Died at 3 Mile Island (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harvey-wasserman/people-died-at-three-mile_b_179588.html)
Radiation Monitoring Map for the USA (http://www.radiationnetwork.com/RadiationNetwork.htm)

References
1. Steven R. Schechter, N.D., “Fighting Radiation and Chemical Pollutants with Foods, Herbs and Vitamins”, 1997.
2. Life Extension – www.lef.org
3. Treatments for Nuclear Contamination by Mark Sircus

[lapis]

This article recommends mixing some of the clay with milk, so that any radiation in it will be adsorbed by the clay and then be harmlessly flushed out of the body. People in one of my online health groups were recommending this brand. (http://www.magneticclay.com/store/edible-earth-clay-supplement-12.aspx)

Remove radiation from your produce with Calcium Bentonite Clay (http://www.naturalnews.com/032119_radiation_bentonite_clay.html#ixzz1KBC2iKfq )


(NaturalNews) There has been a lot of press lately about radiation from the Fukushima disaster being found in our food supply. Many people around the world are being told to avoid drinking milk and eating vegetables due to the contamination. Even though our government is downplaying how widespread this contamination is and the health risks this could create, we should all be taking precautions to protect ourselves. No one wants to be exposed to any avoidable radiation. Calcium Bentonite Clay has been proven to adsorb and remove radiation. Washing your produce in a solution of Calcium Bentonite Clay and water will remove radiation, as well as pesticides and other toxins.

How does Calcium Bentonite Work?

Calcium Bentonite Clay has a uniquely strong negative ionic charge. When activated with water it works like a strong magnet, adsorbing and absorbing anything with a positive ionic charge (i.e., toxins, pesticides, radiation). The clay captures these substances and removes them as the clay is eliminated or washed off.

To remove radiation from your produce, Perry A~ Arledge, author of Living Clay, Nature's Own Miracle Cure, recommends starting with liquid clay. This is Calcium Bentonite Clay mixed with water at a ratio of 1 part clay to 8 parts water. In a large non-metallic bowl, mix 1/4 cup of liquid clay with 1 quart of water. Toss your fruits or vegetables in this clay water making sure they're completely covered and let them sit for about 10 minutes. Rinse and dry them, and store them as you normally would.

You can add Calcium Bentonite Clay to your milk and drinking water if you're concerned about the possibility of contamination there as well. Add approximately 1 ounce of liquid Calcium Bentonite Clay to a gallon of organic raw milk or water. Some people prefer to let the clay settle to the bottom of the liquid and discard that portion, while others prefer to shake it up and drink them together. Either is fine. Once a contaminant is 'caught' by the clay it will not be released, and the clay cannot be digested by your body. All contaminants adsorbed by the clay will be removed upon elimination. And it's always a good practice to take one to two ounces of liquid Calcium Bentonite Clay twice a day, to keep your body detoxed.

Will any clay work?

No. When choosing a healing or detoxing clay, there are several criteria that should be followed. You want to choose an all natural, non-processed clay that is very pure and uncontaminated, with a pH of 8.5 or above. And you want to buy from a reputable company that provides quality control testing and professional packaging and has people available to answer any questions you might have. While Calcium Bentonite Clay will not interfere with the vast majority of medications, if you're taking medication, check with your pharmacist to make certain it contains nothing that the clay would adsorb.

[Serpo]

also..http://www.natural-health-home-remedies.com/radiation.html


Fukushima Forecast: Series of radiation clouds to hit US West Coast beginning April 24 (VIDEO)
April 21st, 2011 at 03:03 AM


TODAY'S MOST VIEWED

* TEPCO official describes possible meltdown at No. 1 reactor: The “molten fuel accumulates like lava” (2669)
* Fukushima Forecast: Series of radiation clouds to hit US West Coast beginning April 24 (VIDEO) (2554)
* Cesium-134 in Northern California topsoil more than double previous test (1538)
* San Francisco Bay Area milk shows highest Iodine-131 found in U.S. since the Fukushima crisis began (1432)
* 700 pCi/kg of Cesium-137 found in soil from base of Sierra Nevada mountains according to preliminary data (1071)

http://enenews.com/fukushima-forecast-series-radiation-clouds-hit-west-coast-beginning-april-24-video

[keehah]

It does not take much to completely undue an entire country's nuclear industry safety record.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2011/0421/Japan-officially-declares-no-go-zone-around-Fukushima

At the start of the month, Tepco was forced to pump contaminated water into the sea, angering neighboring South Korea and China. The amount of radiation included in the pumped water was 20,000 times that permitted outdoors annually by Japan’s nuclear safety agency, Kyodo News reported.

[gunDriller]

also..http://www.natural-health-home-remedies.com/radiation.html


Fukushima Forecast: Series of radiation clouds to hit US West Coast beginning April 24 (VIDEO)
April 21st, 2011 at 03:03 AM



i thought it already hit.

does this mean there will be enough that the US gov. will have to get real and abandon their "don't worry, it's safe to eat California produce that's been watered with radiation rain" position ?

[beefsteak]

also..http://www.natural-health-home-remedies.com/radiation.html


Fukushima Forecast: Series of radiation clouds to hit US West Coast beginning April 24 (VIDEO)
April 21st, 2011 at 03:03 AM



i thought it already hit.

does this mean there will be enough that the US gov. will have to get real and abandon their "don't worry, it's safe to eat California produce that's been watered with radiation rain" position ?


one can hope, gunny :sarc:

[Serpo]

also..http://www.natural-health-home-remedies.com/radiation.html


Fukushima Forecast: Series of radiation clouds to hit US West Coast beginning April 24 (VIDEO)
April 21st, 2011 at 03:03 AM



i thought it already hit.

does this mean there will be enough that the US gov. will have to get real and abandon their "don't worry, it's safe to eat California produce that's been watered with radiation rain" position ?


Higher level radiation clouds I think this means.........

And yes everything is safe,SAFE SAFE SAFE...............................

[Serpo]

Understanding Becquerels, Sieverts, Roentgens, Etc
By Ace Hoffman
4-21-11
What are Curies, Becquerels, Rems, Rads, Grays, Sieverts, Roentgens, Q, RBE etc.?

Here are some answers (quotes are taken from my book, The Code Killers (URL for free download: www.acehoffman.org ).

Let's start with a Curie: "An amount of radioactivity defined as 3.7 *10^18 decays per second... about equal to the radioactivity of one gram of pure radium. Replaced by the Becquerel (Bq)."

Becquerel: "Exactly one radioactive decay per second. Abbreviated Bq."

So those are just different measurements for the same thing: Radioactive decays per unit of time, regardless of strength or type of radioactive emission.

A Curie is a lot of radiation. A single Becquerel... not so much.

One Bq is equal to 27 picocuries, which makes sense because a picocurie (a millionth of a millionth of a Curie) is 0.037 disintegrations per second, and mathematically 0.037 times 27 equals (approximately) one. Radioactive disintegrations, of course, don't actually happen in fractional amounts. They either happen or they don't. WHEN they are likely to happen can be guessed at by the isotope's half-life, but it's only a guess.

But knowing the disintegrations per second doesn't tell you very much, really. To guess at the damage a given amount of radiation causes, you still need to know the average energy of the disintegrations. And of course, you need to know the type of emission: alpha, beta, gamma, x-ray, etc.. Each type has different properties, and each isotope's type(s) of emissions have average energy levels. Some occur together -- a gamma ray and an alpha emission. Some follow in short sequence: A beta emission followed by a gamma ray shortly thereafter.

Sometimes the decay product is also radioactive. This can go on for dozens of steps.

Gamma rays are very penetrating but have no mass and no charge. They are pure energy, traveling at the speed of light.

X-rays are less penetrating than gamma rays, having less energy, but are still damaging or "ionizing".

Alpha particles (also sometimes called alpha rays) are relatively massive (the size of helium atoms minus their two electrons) and don't travel very far before they've collided with so many things that they've slowed down, and become a helium atom out of place, grabbing two electrons and floating away. It's said that a single alpha decay has enough energy to visibly reposition a grain of sand on the beach.

Alpha particles travel at "only" about 98% if the speed of light when they are first emitted during a radioactive decay. Compared to beta particles, gamma rays and x-rays, that's slow!

Alpha particles are not much of an external radiation hazard because they can be blocked by a sheet of newspaper or dead layers of your skin (mucus membranes, eyes, and a few other exposed areas can be damaged by external alpha radiation).

But alpha particles released inside your body can do a lot of damage to molecules they collide with, and they have a double positive charge, which is also very damaging as they pass by many thousands of molecules before they slow down and capture two electrons.

Beta particles (also known as beta rays) are negatively charged particles which are ejected from the nucleus of an atom at 99.7% the speed of light or even faster. Beta particles are tiny: They are only as big as electrons, which is what they are once they slow down. Beta particles do most of their damage as their negative charge passes by other charged things -- protons and electrons.

When beta particles are traveling very quickly, their charge is not near any particular thing long enough to have any significant effect. Most of the damage occurs when they've slowed down most of the way. For this reason, the health effects for the exact same TOTAL energy "dump" per kilogram of body tissue for beta particles with low energy emission values, such as tritium, are HIGHER than for isotopes of elements with higher beta energy emission values.

But knowing the decays per second and the type of emissions, and their average energy levels, is still only a small part of understanding the potential damage from any particular radioactive release such as Fukushima Daiichi.

You also need to know the isotopic composition of the sample. Otherwise, you won't be able to estimate what the Bqs or Curies will be in a minute, or a day, or a year, or a thousand years. You need to know the half-lives of the isotopes that have been released, and the ratios of each isotope and each element.

A sample of plutonium-239 giving off one curie of radiation per hour (wow! that's a lot!) will give off about 99.999...% as much radiation tomorrow, or next year. But a sample of Iodine-131 giving off the same amount of radiation today, will give off half as much radiation in just eight days, and half as much as that -- a quarter curie per hour-- eight days after that. In a few months it will be gone completely.

But even knowing all THAT isn't nearly enough.

The next step is to estimate the absorbed dose. One measure of this is the Radiation Absorbed Dose or RAD. Grays are another way to measure absorbed dose.

But, absorbed dose still doesn't provide an estimate of the damage the radiation may do. For that, there is effective dose, which is measured in REM ("roentgen equivalent man") or sieverts. Background radiation varies greatly by location and other factors, but is usually given as almost a third of a REM per year, expressed as "320 millirem" for instance. How much that will go up because of Fukushima Daiichi is hard to estimate, but will surely be the subject of a future newsletter and much debate.

One additional, traditional, measurement of radiation is the roentgen (pronounced rent-gen (like rent again without the "a")) which is defined as 0.876 RADs "in air".

All of these yardsticks are blunderbuss attempts to estimate the potential damage from radiation as a function of energy dumped into the body. One rad equals an absorbed dose of 0.01 joules of energy per kilogram of body tissue. For ongoing radiation assaults, a time factor needs to be included: "1000 milli-sieverts per hour" or something like that. They might call that "one sievert per hour" too. Same thing. (About 6 sieverts or 6 grays, or about 600 rem or 600 rads, is considered a fatal dose, the slow and painful death coming within a few weeks of exposure. 400 to 450 rem received over a short time will kill about half the population that receives it within about 30 days.)

What is really happening when radiation damages the body, in large or small doses, is a very complex microscopic assault on living tissue. Certain elements concentrate in certain organs: Iodine in the thyroid, strontium in bones, astatine in the brain, etc.. If the percentage of radioactive strontium isotopes goes up compared to non-radioactive strontium isotopes (as it is in Japan today), the radioactive strontium will concentrate in bones and teeth. And, sometime in the future, the incidence of bone cancer and leukemia will increase.

So simply averaging the assault across "whole bodies" can miss things and is improper. Another adjustment factor is needed.

That's expressed by assigning each isotope of each element a Q (Quality factor) or RBE (relative biological effectiveness value), or the more modern "radiation weighting factor" (which works better with computers).

Analysts use these numbers to try to compare apples to oranges, or, more specifically, for example, tritium exposure in drinking water to an xray of your knee after you blow it out on the tennis court.

None of these values consider the effects of bioaccumulation: Radioactive isotopes build up in the edible portions of one living thing (strontium concentrates in beans, for instance) and are then eaten by another (beans concentrate in Mexicans, for instance) up the food chain to us, at the "top". When that happens, a dose that had been dispersed into the environment becomes concentrated again.

It's all a very inexact science, and that inexactitude is used by the nuclear industry to hide what is really nothing short of premeditated murder.

Sincerely,

Ace Hoffman
Carlsbad, CA

The author has written extensively about nuclear power and is the author of several computer tutorials as well. His book, The Code Killers, is available online at his web site: AceHoffman.org




http://www.rense.com/general93/uner.htm




For a better view of chart http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/radiation-dosage-chart/

[beefsteak]

Lipstick on a Prototype Robot?



FOCUS: Japanese robots readied for missions at Fukushima nuclear plant

TOKYO, April 21, Kyodo

Japanese robots designed for heavy lifting and data collection have been prepared for deployment at irradiated reactor buildings of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station, where U.S.-made robots have already taken radiation and temperature readings as well as visual images at the crippled plant under control.

At the call of the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry, Tmsuk Co., a robot builder based in Munakata, Fukuoka Prefecture, has put its rescue robot T-53 Enryu on standby at a dedicated facility in Tsukuba, Ibaraki Prefecture, about 50 kilometers northeast of Tokyo and 170 kilometers southwest of the power plant in Fukushima Prefecture devastated by the March 11 magnitude-9.0 quake and tsunami.

The Enryu, literally meaning ''rescue dragon,'' was developed in the aftermath of the magnitude-7.3 Great Hanshin Earthquake that hit western Japan in 1995. Designed to engage in rescue work, the remote-controlled robot has two arms that can lift objects up to 100 kilograms. It has ''undergone training'' at the Kitakyushu municipal fire department in Fukuoka Prefecture.

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/86831.html

[beefsteak]

This scanty, parsed, thought-provoking blurb is an attention getter.


Pacific Ocean contamination rekindles memories of leak in Britain

By William Hollingworth
LONDON, April 20, Kyodo

The release of radioactive materials into the Pacific Ocean from the stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant is being closely monitored by scientists still observing the consequences of a similar incident in Britain more than 36 years ago.
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/86666.html


Honest, that is all this KYODO tease said. Guess we are all supposed to stay tuned? And last time I looked, Britain was next to the ATLANTIC OCEAN...so, reading between the lines, what are the consequences/aftermath of some nuclear incident in 1975? Perusing "atomic archives" turned up nothing remotely similar. hmmm

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Googling found this in relationship to the above post, but it's certainly older than 36 years ago...





Don't ignore UK radioactive leaks

Posted by Kate Hudson in Untagged


Today's news {posting date 4/20/2011) about recent radioactive spills at Britain's nuclear power stations should give everyone pause for thought - even Energy Secretary Chris Huhne.

In the days after the disaster at Fukushima began, hundreds of CND supporters lobbied him by email, urging him to opt for a non-nuclear energy policy.

In response to these emails, Mr Huhne wrote to me, assuring me that the UK has a strong safety record and reiterating government commitment to nuclear power. He also stated that he had asked Chief Nuclear Inspector Dr Mike Weightman to review the implications and lessons to be learned from events in Japan for the UK nuclear industry as 'safety is always our number one concern'. A bit odd, as ideally one would expect the review to be considered before the commitment to nuclear is restated.

So what will Huhne's response be to the leaked report to Ministers that there have been two radioactive waste spillages - at Sellafield and Torness - and a breakdown in an emergency cooling system at Hartlepool, all within the first quarter of 2011.

According to a letter from the very same Dr Weightman on the 18th April, a further incident was under investigation. At Sellafield - formerly known as Windscale, where a reactor fire burned for two days in 1957, dispersing radioactive smoke across Britain, Ireland and Northern Europe - a routine inspection found a leak containing plutonium at a concentration exceeding the statutory limit by about five times.

According to the report, the response of the companies running the power stations was appropriate, but the reality is that they were serious enough to be reported at ministerial level, as required by the post-Chernobyl guidelines. It is also the case that this was a significant increase in the number of incidents in one quarter. During 2010 there was only one incident per quarter.

It is absolutely essential that these incidents are included in Dr Weightman's post-Fukushima review. Major changes are taking place in other countries' nuclear and energy policies - Italy and China are the latest to take serious steps on the question. So why is it that Britain has to pretend everything is OK? Quoting a load of safety requirements and legislative obligations - which is what Chris Huhne's letter did - does not a safe reactor make. We must move now to a non-nuclear energy policy. We can power Britain without nuclear - and Chris Huhne knows it.

Who is poster, Kate Hudson?
Ever heard of "Liverpool Way" website? Website source of this copy/paste Hudson post (http://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/forum/gf-general-forum/100702-dont-ignore-uk-radioactive-leaks.html)

[beefsteak]

Feeling a little Don Quixote in this seemingly endless challenge set before us American people to eat sanely and sensibly in a deliberately poisoned world consisting of contaminated soil, air, water, and food chain just to mention 4 of them.....

Radioactive soil can be decontaminated with phyto remediation "they" tell us...
......but where do the contaminated plants go? Compost? Incinerated? Buried? No one is saying that I can hear.

Radioactive water can be decontaminated with...
......the water treatment methods reviewed earlier in this thread...
Question: where do the contaminated zeolites, charcoal media and vapors go as we individually decontaminate our own drinking water? Going to pollute even more severely our own methane gas manufacturing deposits (garbage dumps) with tossed out charcoal and loaded zeo's?

Radioactive air...same questions...except for one huge fact...chemtrails have already poisoned our air, and now this???? How many people do you see wearing ANY KIND of breathing protection in WESTERN USA or Canada or Alaska? Anyone?

Contaminated food chain? Where does one start when discussing that one! Milk?
....Okay, don't have to drink it, but it most assuredly is a cooking ingredient, majorly as I now understand how fast it is going and how often I'm having to reconstitute more of it and way more often than I anticipated.

Is it time to go back to "Depression era gravy, where just flour and water mixed together with some salt and pepper? That was my Mother-in-Law's depression gravy.

You're kidding, right? As I recall, depression gravy is most often associated with using some kind of leftover fat like from morning bacon or skillet browned ground beef my Mother--may she rest in peace--used to make. There were these containers on the stove where she'd pour the grease, and then scoop some out if she needed it. If it got rancid, she'd toss it, and start a new can.

If animals are now out as we transition to more vegetarian lifestyle, where's the fat going to come from to make gravy?

How long will it be---or will the radioactive public clamor ever rise to a decibel level--that labeling will be demanded to reveal the purity of the water content that makes up over 60% per commercially canned item as a rule, of each of those grocery store canned goods. Will THAT ceritification be affixed "by someone believeable/credible" that only decontaminated water was used in prep and canning both?? And like Lindsey Williams elite friends bragged to him, "there will be food, but no one will be able to afford it." Someone on here mentioned earlier that they wondered if pre 3/11 food would command a premium here on the N. A. continent?

I now recall the abandoned livestock in that horrific Fukushima farm video posted yesterday, and frankly see a lot of similar fate...the only difference is that the fat cows there have 4 legs and the fat cows/heifers/steers/bulls here have 2 legs.

Solid has said, "he's made the personal decision he's going to die of something, so he's not going to worry about radioactivity in his sea water" he's working to solar desalinate and then render filtrated as he moves about in his world.

Lapis posts that a group she hangs out with on the net are popping zeolite pills or stirring it into their morning and evening radioactive contaminated milk and drinking it anyway. Has anyone bothered to tell that chatroom that there are over 240 zeolites as I can best understand it?

Where did these zeolites they are blissfully popping/stirring originate from? And which zeo are they consuming and pooping? And who is making the claims? A multi-level marketer?

Did those chatroom zeolites come from the contaminated USA from the above ground nuke tests in Nev in the 50s/60s?? If so, THEY have already been saturated and that is the harsh reality of little to no benefit from pursuing that approach. Sounds like a derivation of "let them eat cake" for breakfast because it has eggs, milk, flour, sugar, fat, salt, and various flavorings...in otherwords a "balanced meal...."

I can just see the new "got milk?" billboard ads now...Version 2.0 "got zeolites?" (...complete, of course, with the requisite close-up of the milk mustache...)

Permit a personal anecdote below, please as I continue to help set the example with my family by continuing to do the milk thing...and they are drinking and cooking more and more with it. (Bless my wife's heart...she's trying to figure out how to make gravy with this stuff I'm whipping up more and more frequently as it turns out, since it is getting used more and more in "transition cooking" we've decided to call this stage. She'll get there if she doesn't give up as her frustration is pretty high about this cooking thing. In the meantime, I think I'm going to politely decline her "biscuits and gravy" for a spell.)

Antonio our resident Chernobylized veteran/survivor says, "live long and whiz often." Sorry, Antonio, but that's my translation, okay?

These don't sound like solutions to me. They sound like adjustments. But solutions? Where are the entrepreneurial solutions folks? Are there any left in America's heartland cum chatrooms? BRING IT ON ALREADY!

This personal anecdote and I'll sign off for a while. I have a carpenter coming and we've got more remodeling scheduled for today.

About a year ago, maybe longer, the wife grabbed a couple of Special K-with Strawberries cereal boxes because they were on special and she thought I would like a change. Me? Not so much. So, I did the logical guy thing. I poured them into my popcorn bowl, fished out all the strawberries I could spot...which was pretty easy considering they were red and the cereal was grainy golden brown.

I put all the slices and fragments into an airtight container as instructed by the Mrs. and she put them in the frig and forgot about them. Until I remembered them yesterday, that is.

She rummaged around, located them and handed them to me, much like our mouser presents a dead mouse for my praise, her face tinged with both disbelief and curiosity...quite a strange look for her. But, I'm seeing "the look" more and more these days as I keep "leading by example" in her domain...the kitchen that is.

So, scientifically oriented as I am, I grab my wife's measuring cups, to determine the volumetric contents of the "hand-selected," at least 1 year old, dehydrated strawberries and fragments plucked from that now long ago consumed box of Special-K. Ah HA! 2/3 cup by volume. I can work with that.

Then I got out the jigger and decided to create 2 batches...since I could easily halve the 2/3 into 2- 1/3 cup experiments. She glanced over and gave me "the look."

Next stop? The distilled well-water container on the counter. I filled the jigger to the 1 fluid ounce level. Into the air-tight container which had formerly contained my hand-selected fruit frags., I poured in 1oz of DH2O, and added 1/2 of the 2/3 cup of rather funny looking strawberry pieces I'd so carefully hoarded. I grabbed her kitchen timer and entered 24 minutes. Why 24? I don't know, that's just what the number read when I lifted my thumb off the button when setting the timer.

Slapping the lid on and burping out the air (it's a Tupperware trick for you single guys who don't have wives...get some woman to describe that technique), I shook the dried pieces and the water together vigorously, and then sat it on the table to wait for the timer to go off.

opps...the carpenter just showed up. Later I'll finish this tale if anyone's interested.

beefsteak

[gunDriller]

If animals are now out as we transition to more vegetarian lifestyle, where's the fat going to come from to make gravy?


same place Brad Pitt got his soap for his character in Fight Club - liposuction clinics ?

i wonder if you really can get human fat by picking through a dumpster outside a liposuction clinic.

but plant oils can make a decent sort-of-fat. e.g. flaxseed oil has 3-6-9 oils that are pretty good for you.

the trick will be getting healthy food. i think a lot of people will be transitioning their gardens to greenhouses and indoor growing.

indoor growing of greens using the most high efficiency lights - which might be LED's ? - would be expensive, but if that's the only way to get healthy greens ...

[sirgonzo420]

If animals are now out as we transition to more vegetarian lifestyle, where's the fat going to come from to make gravy?


same place Brad Pitt got his soap for his character in Fight Club - liposuction clinics ?

i wonder if you really can get human fat by picking through a dumpster outside a liposuction clinic.

but plant oils can make a decent sort-of-fat. e.g. flaxseed oil has 3-6-9 oils that are pretty good for you.

the trick will be getting healthy food. i think a lot of people will be transitioning their gardens to greenhouses and indoor growing.

indoor growing of greens using the most high efficiency lights - which might be LED's ? - would be expensive, but if that's the only way to get healthy greens ...


well... there's one way to find out!

You should start a thread about it... it would be an excellent companion to your "road kill" thread.


:D

[Large Sarge]

If animals are now out as we transition to more vegetarian lifestyle, where's the fat going to come from to make gravy?



but plant oils can make a decent sort-of-fat. e.g. flaxseed oil has 3-6-9 oils that are pretty good for you.

the trick will be getting healthy food. i think a lot of people will be transitioning their gardens to greenhouses and indoor growing.

indoor growing of greens using the most high efficiency lights - which might be LED's ? - would be expensive, but if that's the only way to get healthy greens ...


I went to a conference on greenhouses, lots of smart folks there, and good info

and the LED thing came up, and its not economical currently (maybe way up north, where heating costs are so high versus a trad greenhouse)

anyway I learned quite a bit, you can do hydroponic systems, with well water, they use only 10% of the water of conventional farming (and the water is not radioactive)


I am really considering this

[beefsteak]

Carpenter forgot it was Holy Friday, and left my jobsite early. That's okay. I felt funny working today myself, due to the spiritual significance I attach to Holy Friday.

Anyhow, back to the resurrection of my 2/3 cup "hoard :D" of dried strawberries experiment, seemed like no time at all and the timer rang. I went and opened my container, and found a nice mix of s. juice and re-constituted--albeit mushy--strawberries. I tasted them and puckered immediately. There was plenty of strawberry flavor, but not a bit of sugar taste at all.

I decided to add the second 1/2 of my 2/3 cup dehydrated starting volume to the existing batch. I flipped on the timer for a second time, shook container vigorously, set it down and walked away. Again, summoned by the timer, I checked upon the second re-hydration without adding any extra liquid effort, with the additional S. Discovered something akin to strawberry leather as opposed to really, re-constituted S. I decided to add an additional 1/2 fluid oz to the container and turn the timer on for a 3rd time.

Jangling me back from my reverie in my lounger, I trudged out to the kitchen to examine the results of my third "variation." Voila. Success. Still tart as all get out, but acceptable texture, no leather and no excessive juicing.

So, I burped the container for the 4th time and stuck it into the freezer....after stirring in a teaspoon of sugar beforehand...didn't measure that...just threw in what I thought looked good, and stuck my finger in the container, then licked vigorously. By that time, my wife couldn't resist checking this out, and pronounced it "acceptable." Since I'm not a cook, I don't know if that was praise or discouragement, but I took it as, well,....as acceptable! ;D

I'm opening the frozen container today and the plan is, we'll be parsing out the results for part of our supper tonight. The true test is if she will admit it compares favorably to the taste of the expensive commercially frozen strawberries she's been buying at the store and openly snacking on for weeks. That was the thing that freaked her out, those reports from Northern California I read to her from off this thread about the cesium showing up in the current strawberry crop. Good thing she's past the childbearing years. The last time I saw her ravenously consume a sweet treat like this, we named "it," Sarah Elizabeth. :oo-->

We bought heirloom Alpine strawberry seeds and will be starting them this weekend in our transition to hydroponic gardening...lots of hydro and lots of hope, and zero, zip, nada, NYET experience in this particular aspect of gardening. At least I now know we can exist on reconstituted milk and re-hydrated strawberries, and hopefully have it to spread on English muffins before the Weekend is over.

The upshot of this post is, my wife came over and told me today she's been studying up all morning on how to make scratch corn and flour tortillas, scratch English muffins and scratch bagels. She has a funny twinkle in her eye. She won't admit my bumbling efforts with these darned S. has inspired her. But I don't care who gets the credit. I just know I love English muffins. :whistle

beefsteak

PS...gunny, THANKS for the info about vegetable oils being good enough for trying to make gravy with some fat content. I'll let her know. It sure helped me to hear that. I've always liked her biscuits and gravy, and you've restored my hope that I'll get to have some again!!! Would olive oil be considered a vegetable oil? I hate the initial smell of that stuff when she first puts it into the skillet. What can I say? I wasn't raised by an Italian mama mia

Woops...Now I guess I have to inspect the feet of the virgins who stomp on the olives to squish out the oil and get some independent lab to verify they washed their feet in certified, de-contaminated, no longer radioactive water...

Is there a bottom to this new rabbit hole?

[Serpo]

Radioactive Iodine In Phoenix Arizona Milk 1600% Above EPA Drinking Water Limits

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/04/20/radioactive-iodine-phoenix-arizona-milk-samples-1600-epa-drinking-water-limits-18630/

[Serpo]

Is there a bottom to this new rabbit hole?


Not that anyone has found ,you could be the first......

[beefsteak]

Oh, good grief. 1600x? That's mind blowing, Serpo! That should spin a few nutrition groups' participants' heads around who are drinkin' milk and popping zeolites like it's the latest thing t'do since Botox. Might as well just make it by the bowlful and call it, "Zeollo Pudding..."

Gunny Large Sarge,
can you give any more specific about the red/blue LED light and how they came to the conclusion it is not cost effective? To acquire? To maintain? To power? Sounds like sour grapes maybe by those who want to sell greenhouses and don't make much markup on the new technology. Just asking, buddy.

beefsteak

[Serpo]

Oh, good grief. 1600x? That's mind blowing, Serpo! That should spin a few nutrition groups' participants' heads around who are drinkin' milk and popping zeolites like it's the latest thing t'do since Botox. Might as well just make it by the bowlful and call it, "Zeollo Pudding..."

Gunny,
can you give any more specific about the red/blue LED light and how they came to the conclusion it is not cost effective? To acquire? To maintain? To power? Sounds like sour grapes maybe by those who want to sell greenhouses and don't make much markup on the new technology. Just asking, buddy.

beefsteak


Cost of the LEDs I would guess at.......




This chart of radiation is starting to be blue as it hits the US and Cananda even more if you go to the end....higher level

http://transport.nilu.no/browser/fpv_fuku?fpp=conccol_Xe-133_;region=NH






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[Glass]

If animals are now out as we transition to more vegetarian lifestyle, where's the fat going to come from to make gravy?



but plant oils can make a decent sort-of-fat. e.g. flaxseed oil has 3-6-9 oils that are pretty good for you.

the trick will be getting healthy food. i think a lot of people will be transitioning their gardens to greenhouses and indoor growing.

indoor growing of greens using the most high efficiency lights - which might be LED's ? - would be expensive, but if that's the only way to get healthy greens ...


I went to a conference on greenhouses, lots of smart folks there, and good info

and the LED thing came up, and its not economical currently (maybe way up north, where heating costs are so high versus a trad greenhouse)

anyway I learned quite a bit, you can do hydroponic systems, with well water, they use only 10% of the water of conventional farming (and the water is not radioactive)


I am really considering this


What about aquaponics where you include raising fish as part of the hydroponic system?

[Large Sarge]

If animals are now out as we transition to more vegetarian lifestyle, where's the fat going to come from to make gravy?



but plant oils can make a decent sort-of-fat. e.g. flaxseed oil has 3-6-9 oils that are pretty good for you.

the trick will be getting healthy food. i think a lot of people will be transitioning their gardens to greenhouses and indoor growing.

indoor growing of greens using the most high efficiency lights - which might be LED's ? - would be expensive, but if that's the only way to get healthy greens ...


I went to a conference on greenhouses, lots of smart folks there, and good info

and the LED thing came up, and its not economical currently (maybe way up north, where heating costs are so high versus a trad greenhouse)

anyway I learned quite a bit, you can do hydroponic systems, with well water, they use only 10% of the water of conventional farming (and the water is not radioactive)


I am really considering this


What about aquaponics where you include raising fish as part of the hydroponic system?


they covered it very briefly

here is one of the companies at the conference

www.cropking.com

now the one thing is that these systems are now computerized (climate controlled, hydroponic pump controlled, etc)

basically you keep the chemicals filled for feeding the plants, you plant the seeds, harvest, monitor the plants for disease, etc

the computer does a lot of the stuff for you

but having said that, you need someone reliable nearby all the time, because if something goes really wrong, you can lose your entire crop in short order

the computer will dial a cell phone, and/or e-mail you about problems

but it is not a traditional job (weekends off, etc)

7 days a week

[Serpo]

the computer will dial a cell phone, and/or e-mail you about problems





[/quote]

Ring Ring.......hello..........hi this one of your tomatoes speaking,im a bit thirsty :D

[Large Sarge]

the computer will dial a cell phone, and/or e-mail you about problems







Ring Ring.......hello..........hi this one of your tomatoes speaking,im a bit thirsty :D
[/quote]

its pretty neat, but you have to have someone there 24/7

pretty much all the folks just own large flat pieces of land, and put these in behind their homes...

walkout the back door to goto work.....

you can imagine getting a tear in the greenhouse in the winter, how quick everything dies.

btw, we went to a working greenhouse, some of the best tomatoes I have ever eaten (seriously)

[Horn]

Looks like all the rad monitors are up 10cpm from whenst they were last week.

[beefsteak]

Oh, good grief. 1600x? That's mind blowing, Serpo! That should spin a few nutrition groups' participants' heads around who are drinkin' milk and popping zeolites like it's the latest thing t'do since Botox. Might as well just make it by the bowlful and call it, "Zeollo Pudding..."

Gunny Large Sarge,
can you give any more specific about the red/blue LED light and how they came to the conclusion it is not cost effective? To acquire? To maintain? To power? Sounds like sour grapes maybe by those who want to sell greenhouses and don't make much markup on the new technology. Just asking, buddy.

beefsteak


Large Sarge,
sorry, I asked Gunny thinking I was talking to you. :D

Can you spare some more words about their assessment that red/blue LED growth was less economical? Thanks. I'm trying to figure out why, since that is not what my initial investigation is pointing to.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Horn,
I believe you. I always go back and look at this 3/13 Radiation Network for my comps.

http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/beefsteak_GIM/RadiationMap314-824AMpost17sailorsirradiated.jpg

Shrink the window and you can post the two images side by side and compare. Frankly, the fact that the radiation reported via this laity network is showing double over lower levels, is certainly proof to me that "the stuff is making it across the ocean and TEPCO is lying...s'more. SO much for spring rains coming down the trade winds from Alaska raining it all out over the ocean pablum!

Thanks!
beefsteak

[Horn]

.....

[beefsteak]

Carpenter forgot it was Holy Friday, and left my jobsite early. That's okay. I felt funny working today myself, due to the spiritual significance I attach to Holy Friday.

Anyhow, back to the resurrection of my 2/3 cup "hoard :D" of dried strawberries experiment, seemed like no time at all and the timer rang. I went and opened my container, and found a nice mix of s. juice and re-constituted--albeit mushy--strawberries. I tasted them and puckered immediately. There was plenty of strawberry flavor, but not a bit of sugar taste at all.

I decided to add the second 1/2 of my 2/3 cup dehydrated starting volume to the existing batch. I flipped on the timer for a second time, shook container vigorously, set it down and walked away. Again, summoned by the timer, I checked upon the second re-hydration without adding any extra liquid effort, with the additional S. Discovered something akin to strawberry leather as opposed to really, re-constituted S. I decided to add an additional 1/2 fluid oz to the container and turn the timer on for a 3rd time.

Jangling me back from my reverie in my lounger, I trudged out to the kitchen to examine the results of my third "variation." Voila. Success. Still tart as all get out, but acceptable texture, no leather and no excessive juicing.

So, I burped the container for the 4th time and stuck it into the freezer....after stirring in a teaspoon of sugar beforehand...didn't measure that...just threw in what I thought looked good, and stuck my finger in the container, then licked vigorously. By that time, my wife couldn't resist checking this out, and pronounced it "acceptable." Since I'm not a cook, I don't know if that was praise or discouragement, but I took it as, well,....as acceptable! ;D

I'm opening the frozen container today and the plan is, we'll be parsing out the results for part of our supper tonight. The true test is if she will admit it compares favorably to the taste of the expensive commercially frozen strawberries she's been buying at the store and openly snacking on for weeks. That was the thing that freaked her out, those reports from Northern California I read to her from off this thread about the cesium showing up in the current strawberry crop. Good thing she's past the childbearing years. The last time I saw her ravenously consume a sweet treat like this, we named "it," Sarah Elizabeth. :oo-->

We bought heirloom Alpine strawberry seeds and will be starting them this weekend in our transition to hydroponic gardening...lots of hydro and lots of hope, and zero, zip, nada, NYET experience in this particular aspect of gardening. At least I now know we can exist on reconstituted milk and re-hydrated strawberries, and hopefully have it to spread on English muffins before the Weekend is over.

The upshot of this post is, my wife came over and told me today she's been studying up all morning on how to make scratch corn and flour tortillas, scratch English muffins and scratch bagels. She has a funny twinkle in her eye. She won't admit my bumbling efforts with these darned S. has inspired her. But I don't care who gets the credit. I just know I love English muffins. :whistle

beefsteak

PS...gunny, THANKS for the info about vegetable oils being good enough for trying to make gravy with some fat content. I'll let her know. It sure helped me to hear that. I've always liked her biscuits and gravy, and you've restored my hope that I'll get to have some again!!! Would olive oil be considered a vegetable oil? I hate the initial smell of that stuff when she first puts it into the skillet. What can I say? I wasn't raised by an Italian mama mia

Woops...Now I guess I have to inspect the feet of the virgins who stomp on the olives to squish out the oil 's.

Any end to this rabbit hole? ? ?

Got the wife to hold the container for me for the pic below. After she pronounced these 85% as good as her expensive, store-bought frozen strawberries from last year's crop, and telling me it needed more sugar, she sat down and promptly ate the whole thing!! So much for "parsed out for supper t'night,'

She DID let me lick the container when she was done.

I'll remember this, on my next experiment. ;D

http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/beefsteak_GIM/strawberryresults42011.jpg

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390307849868&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123

An example of a primary seller of LEDs with some 92,000 Feedback on ebay. Hails from Cali and not Hong Kong... jis sayin'...

[Serpo]

Google Earth Maps Out At-Risk Populations Around Nuclear Power Plants

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/04/google-earth-maps-out-at-risk-populations-around-nuclear-power-plants.php





Killer Contamination Spreads Worldwide Without Opposition

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/04/22/fukushima-2000-atomic-bombs/




Status of nuc power plants
http://www.rense.com/general93/JAIF%20Status%20April%2011%20at%2021_00.pdf




Reactor 1 water level concerns
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/23_05.html

[Serpo]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390307849868&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123

An example of a primary seller of LEDs with some 92,000 Feedback on ebay. Hails from Cali and not Hong Kong... jis sayin'...




Hydroponic Lamp 225 LED Grow light Panel Red Blue 110 V
Click to Enlarge
Product Code: 2501MX or 2503MX
This auction is for 1 pane of 225 LED
Both USA and Canada Buyers will be shipped with 120 Volt Panels. All other countries Buyers will be shipped with 240 Volt Panel with Euro-Plug.

DESCRIPTION:Quality built dual color blended LED Grow Light Panel

FEATURES: Solid state, Cooler running, High efficiency, Wide angle, Dual Color Blended full spectrum plant lighting.

BENIFITS: This panel has no ballasts to burn out like other plant lights. It does not run hot, just warm. You will not experience unsightly brown burned leaves when they accidentally touch the LEDs. This is common with most other lights that get very hot. This more controlled running temperature reduces the need to water so often and keeps rooms with plants from getting uncomfortably hot in the summer months requiring additional air conditioning. Extreme energy efficiency permits this new LED panel to pay for itself many times over each year in electricity savings. It saves 50% to 90% in energy consumptioncompared to incandescent bulbs or fluorescent tubes. Wide angle projection insures uniform leaf coverage.

Scientifically calculated even blending of red and blue LEDs eliminates the time consuming task of repositioning separate colored lights back and forth trying to achieve uniform exposure. 14 to 16 hours per day is all that is necessary for maximum plant health with this wave blended lighting system. This allows distances 2-4" and less between the LEDs and the plants accelerating photosynthesis. Red and blue wavelengths are for growing and flowering of plants.The typical white plant lights that are very hot is unnecessary and just consume excessive electricity. The purity of the LED generated light lengthens flowering periods. These LEDs turn on instantly and can be turned on by hand each day or work well with all standard lamp timers.

The design of this new all in one Full Spectrum plant lighting panel allows maximum level photosynthesis food production, growth and flowering all in one. It is the new Full Spectrum system providing maximum plant health, beauty and productivity.

These LED light panels are perfect as an all year plant light for permanent plant benches and especially productive for spring vegetable and flower seedling development.

Specifications:
Body material: Thermoplastic
Circuitry board material: Diecast Chrome
60 Blue light LEDs: 465nm (nanometer) wave length
165 Red light LEDs: 650nm (nanometer) wave length
165 + 60 = Total 225 LEDs

Color: Red + Blue = Purple looking to the eyes
Working Voltage: Both USA and Canada Buyers will be shipped with 120 Volt Panels. All other countries Buyers will be shipped with 240 Volt Panel with Euro-Plug.
Power: 13.8 Watts
Dimensions: 12 â¼" x 12 â¼" inches (30.5cm) square

Thickness: Low profile 1.25"

Power cord length: 48 inches

[beefsteak]

Seeing this segment on "How It's Made" cable TV show a few years back, is what inspired me to try this out, on a much smaller scale, of course. I'm building my small vacuum table now, by adapting a vacuum former box I've had the "DIY Instructables" now for several months. I'll keep y'all posted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHBhyqowSEc

[beefsteak]

Radioactive Iodine In Phoenix Arizona Milk 1600% Above EPA Drinking Water Limits

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/04/20/radioactive-iodine-phoenix-arizona-milk-samples-1600-epa-drinking-water-limits-18630/


Lapis,
have any of the other chatrooms you check out gotten "wind" of this Phoenix deal? What are they saying?

Thanks!
beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Serpo,
I've been thinking about how to harness the escaping light from above and around my new transition hydroponics set up. I'm thinking about tin sheets that I drill or punch holes into for air circulation, but are definitely reflective services.

What do you guys think?

Wife wants me to use mirrors, but they are heavy, and the backing on mirrors are very susceptible to moisture. I was thinking of applying silicon spray the width/length of the tin down to help allay moisture attack on the tin, at least before hanging this first season to see if it even works to reduce moisture attack.

And the 13.8 watts power requirement of the specs you listed from that ebay LED seller posted above?? That's WELL within the specs of those Harbor Freight 15W solar panels. I bought one last season before all this hit. It's still in the box.

Wheels are turning over here.

[keehah]

This may be useful to estimate amount of extra radiation in a relative way.

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/science/radiation-detection.htm

Trying to provide a direct "CPM to mR Scale" from the above chart 0.01 mR/hr equals background radiation levels.

The map above shows background levels have near tripled in some areas (and will only get worse till the leaks are stopped and all the excess radiation falls from the air).

0.03 of 0.04 mR/hr could be the added radiation this last month. This is 0.36 mR/day. One chest x-ray's worth of radiation every month. The same amount of radiation you would get living with a smoker.

And this is not counting the extra radiation from other sources, such as food.

http://www.uihealthcare.com/topics/medicaldepartments/cancercenter/prevention/preventionradiation.html

Naturally Occurring Background Radiation

Naturally occurring radiation has nothing to do with radioactive fallout from nuclear weapons or nuclear power plant accidents. Our universe and solar system is and always has been radioactive. We live in a naturally radioactive world. Background radiation accounts for an individual receiving, on the average, about 300-350 mrem each year. For example, a cross country airplane flight results in a dose of 4 mrem per trip. A routine chest x-ray is about 10 mrem per film. Smoking 1.5 packs of cigarettes daily exposes the individual to about 1300 mrem per year.
And from this offensive act of denial: http://www.psychology-advice.net/is-eating-sushi-still-safe

each cigarette is equal to one chest X-ray. Second-hand smoke gives someone living with a smoker the equivalent of 12 chest X-rays per year.

[beefsteak]

I just found some more grow LED light info on another ebay seller's description. Thought I'd post my findings here and add them to what Serpo already has dug up and posted. Especially found the ratio of reds to blues and the corresponding wave-length quite interesting.



Each light panel contains 225 pieces, 6-centiwatt, 5mm LEDs

Red/blue ratio of 11:4 (165-red, 60-blue LEDs / panel)
Precision red LEDs from High Power Opto (flowering)
Precision blue LEDs from Bridgelux USA (growth)

True optimized spectrum with tight-tolerance LEDs

Unrivaled chlorophyll/carotenes/xanthophylls absorption

Uses wide-angle LEDs for max coverage & output
Silver-reflective boards under LEDs increase efficiency

No infrared rays or ultraviolet radiation to stunt plants
LEDs emit light without using filaments; lights run cool

Built-in, ballast-free, power supply circuitry

PC boards have oversized, ¼" wide traces for min. loss
10-years or more life-expectancy with minimum decay

Standard 120v, 5' length USA power cords included
Built-in, pre-drilled holes for easy mounting & hanging
CE & ROHS compliant


Specifications:
Number of panels: 4
LEDs per panel: 225
Total LEDs: 900

Color: Red/blue mix

Power per panel: 14w
Panel (ea.): 12.25"x12.25"
Panel height (ea.): 1.5"
Frame: Composite

Red wavelength: 630 nm
Blue wavelength: 455 nm
Blended wave: 652 nm

Rec. coverage: 16 sq. ft.
Max. coverage: 260 sq. ft.

[Serpo]

Very inspiring these LEDs and what there potential is in growing plants.

[Large Sarge]

there were a number of commercial growers at the conference, these folks already owned farms/greenhouses.

so they were very knowledgeable on most of the issues.

at lunch one day, LED lights came up, and it was said that the energy cost would still be to high (electricity)

and while this was not mentioned, do LED's provide "full spectrum" of the light?

they talked on that for awhile, Glass is better for "light quality" than plastic. Plastic is more durable, offers better insulation value.

I talked to the owner of the working greenhouse, and asked straight up "what is your biggest expense", and he replied "heating" (he was in Charleston S.C.)

not what you would call a "cold climate"

He had 3 HUGE greenhouses, hydroponics, etc and he is producing about 70,000 lbs of tomatoes a year (yes that is correct)

plus lettuce and cucumbers,

anyway for all that yummy produce (the plants in there are the healthiest you have ever seen, seriously), it only costs him $2500.00 a year in chemicals (fertilizers, PH adjustment of the water, etc)

thats it.

Hydroponics are so efficient, it was amazing

the plants are kept at optimal daytime, and nighttime temps

they have CO2 released (they have CO2 monitors), to increase growth and production

etc

it was really amazing to see

thats the future of food production right there (seriously)

[gunDriller]

Serpo,
I've been thinking about how to harness the escaping light from above and around my new transition hydroponics set up. I'm thinking about tin sheets that I drill or punch holes into for air circulation, but are definitely reflective services.

What do you guys think?

Wife wants me to use mirrors, but they are heavy, and the backing on mirrors are very susceptible to moisture.


reflective surfaces so that the light is directed back onto the plants are basically necessary if you are counting watts, which you would be if running off of solar, or just wanting to not spend a mint on electricity.

BUT reflectors can have very sharp edges. i cut myself on reflectors for a solar panel - maybe i'll post the pics sometime. look like The Shining. Careful Careful Careful.

as far as conventional glass mirrors - good point about the edges. of course you can always seal off the edges using RTV. i would say it depends a lot on what you find on your local Craigslist. keep checking the Free Stuff section.


about the fish - i've been thinking about that for a few years, but held off because i was in an apartment. now that i'm in a house on some land, i can indulge my imagination.

i found live catfish at a butcher shop on Clement Street in San Francisco. about 20 inches long. i figure, buy 4, you'll probably get at least one of each sex. you just need a container big enough to hold them, and something to oxygenate the water, for the trip home.

or, gold fish. big or little. in a crunch situation, i'll eat little goldfish.

what i like about catfish is, they tend to not be fussy eaters. in fact, they can be sort of like piranhas. got to make sure if you have young children around, they can't fall in the fish tank.


as far as the cost of LED's - i'd say this is a do-it-yourself situation. i've seen bags of 100 LED's for 8 cents each.

if you're going off of a 50 watt solar panel, for example, that's about 19 volts under load (and it only puts out 35 watts, typically).

so i would stack up arrays of 25 LED's = 17.5 volts. that leaves 1.5 volts for a current limiting resistor. LED's usually take about 50 milliamps. so a 30 ohm resistor would set the current at 50 milliamps and waste a small amount of electricity, .075 watts.

for AC, the 115 VAC comes out to about 162 volts after it's rectified, 160 volts after you consider the diodes that rectify the AC.

so then you would need to solder up about 225 LED's ... 225 x .7 = 157.5 volts. that would leave 2.5 volts for a current-limiting resistor ... 51 ohms is a standard resistance. the resistor would dissipate about 1/4 watt.

especially with the AC version ... i would recommend a 24 hour burn-in where you are home the entire time to watch it. just in case.


once you get past the electrical stuff , you have the task of making an array of LED's & a reflector.

as far as the skunk ... i think, once it's properly maggot-ized - the chickens and the catfish would LOVE some of those fly larvae. hmm, hmm, good. ;D

[Large Sarge]

for all the folks thinking LED's, you might look into a skylight set up also, to offset lighting cost

balance that with loss of insulation value

plants love natural sunlight

and its free....

[lapis]

Lapis posts that a group she hangs out with on the net are popping zeolite pills or stirring it into their morning and evening radioactive contaminated milk and drinking it anyway. Has anyone bothered to tell that chatroom that there are over 240 zeolites as I can best understand it?

Where did these zeolites they are blissfully popping/stirring originate from? And which zeo are they consuming and pooping? And who is making the claims? A multi-level marketer?

I personally know a few people who are taking some kind of activated liquid zeolite that their naturopaths or holistic MDs have recommended. I think it's the ACZ nano brand. But this site (http://www.liquidzeolite.org/)has a lot of information; I haven't had a chance to read it thoroughly yet.

As for milk, supposedly adding bentonite clay to it will bind to the radiation and be flushed harmlessly out of the body.

The other night I went to a talk on radiation given by the local branch of a homeopathic medicine society. My friend and I were the only ones there! :(

The homeopathic doctor giving the talk said the best course of action is the usual: a whole foods diet low in sugar, white flour and vegetable oils, adequate rest, and exercise. He wasn't concerned about the radiation levels in food (yet!).

Another friend got a flyer in the mail from the CelleTech company for an anti-radiation homeopathic remedy called, I think "NUCLEAR RADIATION BALANCE."

I would give you more information about it, but on the site (http://www.celletech.com/commerce/product.jsp?prodId=6024&catId=&companyId=51)it says:

"No further information is available due to government censorship.

Please call 1-800-888-4066 to obtain more information."

:conf:

It seemed like a nice product, as you only had to take it once a week.

[SLV^GLD]

As for milk, supposedly adding bentonite clay to it will bind to the radiation and be flushed harmlessly out of the body.
Just for the record, this is a a semi-flawed idea. Bentonite clay may or may not bind to radionuclides and pass without further digestion in human stool. Assuming that concept is 100% correct and 100% efficient there is still the amount of time required for digestion. Let us call that time frame 12 hours. Within 12 hours' time a great deal of radionuclides WILL emit alpha, beta and gamma rays. Despite the fact they have been idealistically bound to bentonite on its' way out the anus in no way minimizes the FACT that the alpha, beta and/or gamma rays were emitted while inside the body in close proximity to highly vulnerable tissues.

[lapis]

but plant oils can make a decent sort-of-fat. e.g. flaxseed oil has 3-6-9 oils that are pretty good for you.

Please do NOT use flax oil to cook with! Due to its high polyunsaturated fatty acid (PUFA) content, it is extremely unstable and subject to rancidity (which is why you have to keep it refrigerated).

Most people consume way, way, too much PUFAs, because packaged foods contain high PUFA vegetable oils (usually soybean or cottonseed oils are in the top three ingredients).

Here's an interesting post from one of the best nutrition blogs online, written by a researcher who studies the neurobiology of body fat regulation:

Vegetable Oil and Weight Gain (http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/12/vegetable-oil-and-weight-gain.html)

In the last post, I stated that the three largest changes in the American diet since 1970 (a time during which the obesity rate doubled) were an increase in refined grain consumption, an increase in sweetener consumption, and the replacement of animal fats with industrial vegetable fats. I'm always on the lookout for mechanisms that could link these changes to metabolic dysregulation. I suspect wheat is a major player, possibly due to its ability to cause inflammation and overeating. Sugar is also an obvious culprit, since it contributes to insulin resistance and other elements of the metabolic syndrome. Vegetable oil is clearly involved in many of the diseases of civilization. Are there any data that suggest it's involved in weight gain? I believe I've found convincing evidence that it is.

Vegetable oil is truly an "external factor", something in our environment that has changed dramatically in the last 100 years (as opposed to our genes, which are essentially the same). A century ago, nearly all fats eaten in the U.S. came from animals. That's how it's been for humans since the beginning of time, with the exception of seasonal nuts and oily seeds for some groups. Polyunsaturated fat (PUFA) consumption in the US has more than tripled in the last 100 years, with the increase coming almost solely from omega-6 linoleic acid-rich seed oils like soybean and corn oil (source (http://65.216.150.148/ifs/NFSdatabase/QueNut.asp)):

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_zULJExxrW54/SUihSqR6j_I/AAAAAAAAAVo/3lK47Yw2cag/s320/u_s_pufa_consumption,_1909-2005.png

This amount of linoleic acid is totally foreign to the human body. It causes countless detrimental effects to many, if not all organ systems. And it's exactly what mainstream health authorities have been telling us to eat for the last 50 years. You may have noticed that the recommendations have changed recently to focus on monounsaturated oils like olive oil. [color=red]They are backpedaling in the face of an avalanche of studies demonstrating the detrimental effects of linoleic acid on health.

Also, please note that flaxseed oil only contains the omega-3 fatty acid called alpha-linolenic acid (ALA), it does NOT contain the EPA and DHA that fish oils contain. Your body, under optimal conditions and in optimal health, must convert the ALA in plant oils to EPA and DHA.

[Glass]

Serpo,
I've been thinking about how to harness the escaping light from above and around my new transition hydroponics set up. I'm thinking about tin sheets that I drill or punch holes into for air circulation, but are definitely reflective services.

What do you guys think?

Wife wants me to use mirrors, but they are heavy, and the backing on mirrors are very susceptible to moisture. I was thinking of applying silicon spray the width/length of the tin down to help allay moisture attack on the tin, at least before hanging this first season to see if it even works to reduce moisture attack.

And the 13.8 watts power requirement of the specs you listed from that ebay LED seller posted above?? That's WELL within the specs of those Harbor Freight 15W solar panels. I bought one last season before all this hit. It's still in the box.

Wheels are turning over here.



You could use a number of things to make an enclosure around the plants to reflect more light back in. There are insulated and non insulated products you can use. Some products have a fibre or foam core covered in a foil or reflective plastic. I've seen some stuff which looks like silver bubble wrap. The bubbles are pretty big so not your regular bubble wrap.

White is a better reflector than silver is. There is a heavy plastic sheet product called panda film. It is a thick plastic sheet very similar to a builders film or the black plastic sheet that goes down as a moisture barrier under building footings. It is white on one side and black on the other. It's fairly cheap, light weight and can be rolled up easily.

If you enclose things you might encounter heat issues that require mechanical air circulation. Depends on how tightly the reflector encloses the growing space.

[Large Sarge]

I love flax seed, grind it fresh everyday

[lapis]

Freshly ground flaxseed is pretty tasty! That's probably the best way to take it, as opposed to the oil.

[Serpo]

FRIGHTENING


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMXvpWoHzeE&feature=player_embedded

some comments....................

http://www.prisonplanet.com/helen-caldicott-talks-about-the-horror-of-fukushima.html


I really can’t add much to the video. The lady is spot on.

Truth is often dirty, shocking, and breath taking. As I have stated Japan is a dead nation, and any Jap with intelligence split out of the country via jet or boat on day 1. That is right a dead island populated with the walking dead.

Pilots eventually will not fly and air travel will die. Now how many months have I been telling you this. Do you now understand why the TSA was really established?? They knew, the NWO, the game plan long ago. Radiation will begin showing up on every human on earth soon, and it will be blamed on TSA scanners. A misdirection.

Extermination is their game and radiation is the means. (THE ROAD)

Good morning bones and have a great day. You may want to read up on the Drudge Report
about the discovery of the God particle. Actually it should be named the particle of the light bearer, Lucifer.

Shovel ready jobs has true meaning now.

litosweed Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 6:18 am

son of a bitch !

BibleBibleProductions.com Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 6:45 am

The whole Japan nuclear crisis was/is done on purpose.

They initiated the earthquake with HAARP.

And then they prevented every logical effort to limit the nuclear disaster. Many scientists knew how to contain the meltdown in the early stages. Now who knows?

They want this crisis to last as long as possible and have as much radiations out as possible.

Now what can we do physically to stop them: NOTHING!

I don’t think the globalists are that scared of people waking up. At most they find it annoying that we know what they are doing. But they are doing it anyway in our faces, in plain view.

These satanic demon possessed elites are totally insane. They don’t even care if they destroy the planet they are living on.

I will personally repent and pray. If you find a better way to neutralize the NWO then go ahead do it.

For what it’s worth, I have some documentation on my site if you click on my name.

.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip4Oijlj4Q0&NR=1

[Antonio]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNq0qyQJ5xs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7okfjwy4Vw&NR=1

This is their nuclear industry before Fukushima, in 1995.

[JohnQPublic]

Think twice before viewing this. Very disturbing:


Chernobyl Decay and Deformed
http://www.youtube.com/embed/rvAJ_u3Q0Hw

[ArgenteumTelum]

My sincere thanks to all who have cared and had the fortune of time to post here for the benefit of this community. Only today did I have enough of a break to do more than a quick skim through and actually read and watched a number of the videos. I'm sure that you are sharing this wealth of knowledge with those you love and know. Whatever their reaction, you have already been rewarded in ways unseen for your expression of care for human kind. May it always be so. With gratitude....

[Serpo]

Thanks A, In one part they ask a guy if he was against the building of the reactors and he says...... of course anyone with a brain would be......

[Antonio]

There are some in the West already openly suggesting that Japanese buy a piece of land the size of Japan in Siberia to relocate their entire nation. As a Russian I would never sell a square inch of Russian soil but I would welcome those from the areas the most affected by the disaster to relocate to Siberia until things get back to relative normality in Japan. Japanese are honorable people and they respect themselves and others. I`ve met quite a few of them and it`s always a pleasure.

[Serpo]

Indian anti-nuclear protesters will not be deterred
Ben Doherty
April 23, 2011





NEW DELHI: Milind Desai has been harassed by police, threatened and arrested ''on false charges''. Fellow demonstrators have been shot and killed. ''But police oppression can't stop me and our agitation. I'm ready to go to jail in [the] future,'' he says.

The 40-year-old ayurvedic doctor has been at the forefront of protests against India's burgeoning nuclear power industry since plans to erase his village of Mithgavane, and five others like it, in favour of a massive six-reactor nuclear plant were announced in 2005.

But the protests, originally born of a not-in-my-backyard mentality, have gained new currency after the Fukushima disaster in Japan.
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India is questioning its nuclear future. The country has a serious, and worsening energy shortfall. Already demand outstrips supply by more than 10 per cent, and more than 400 million people live without any electricity.

India has 20 small nuclear reactors, which provide about 3 per cent of its power. But five reactors are being built and the government has proposed 39 more, including the Jaitapur nuclear park a few kilometres from Dr Desai's home which, when finished, would be the biggest in the world.

Its six reactors would provide 9900 megawatts of electricity, more than three times the power used by India's largest city, Mumbai.

By 2050 the Indian government wants a quarter of its energy to come from nuclear reactors. Only China is planning a more rapid expansion.

But after the Fukushima disaster, there are many - including the World Bank, the Indian Environment Minister, Jairam Ramesh, and the former head of the country's nuclear regulatory body, A. Gopalakrishnan - questioning the mass roll-out of new plants.

The massive Jaitapur plant is the focus of concern - 931 hectares of farmland will be needed to build the reactors, land that is now home to 10,000 people, their mango orchards, cashew trees and rice fields. Fishermen in the region, too, say their livelihoods will be wiped out.

Opponents point out that the plant site is coastal and in a seismically unstable region. The area has been hit by 22 serious earthquakes in the past two decades, the last a

6.3 magnitude quake two years ago.

The region is rated a seismic zone 4 - high damage risk - but, proponents say, the plant will be built to withstand seismic events, and the reactor's cliff-top position will be a bulwark against tsunamis.

Critics says the plant is too big and the model unproven. Each of the six reactors is more than double the size of the 700-megawatt heavy water reactors with which India's regulator has had the most experience. And, as yet, not a single European Pressurised Water Reactor, designed by a French company, Areva, is working anywhere in the world.

The first one, being built in Finland, has fallen four years behind schedule, and is more than €2 billion ($2.7 billion) over budget.

In Jaitapur, protests flared again this week after rioting demonstrators ransacked a police station. One protester was shot and killed, and 30 people, about half of them police, went to hospital.

But beyond those who will lose their land or livelihoods to the reactors, opposition to India's nuclear program is emerging from unexpected quarters after the Japanese disaster.

The country's Environment Minister, Jairam Ramesh, has been one of the key backers of nuclear power, and says that although he remains committed to India's nuclear expansion, he has concerns over large-scale plants such as Jaitapur.

''Should we not re-look at this concept of nuclear parks where we set up giant capacities in one location [like at Fukushima]? Jaitapur will have 10,000 megawatts of capacity, is this wise?'' he wrote in a recent letter to the Indian Prime Minister, Manmohan Singh.

The former chairman of India's Atomic Energy Regulatory Board, A. Gopalakrishnan, has argued that India is expanding its nuclear program beyond its capabilities. ''What a mad program. Even without Fukushima happening, should we be subjecting our future generations to such a crazy, high-density nuclear program?''

Dr Gopalakrishnan wrote last month that Indian safety standards did not meet international benchmarks.

''In India, we are most disorganised and unprepared for the handling of emergencies of any kind of even much less severity. The AERB's disaster preparedness oversight is mostly [on] paper, and the drills they once in a while conduct are half-hearted efforts which amount more to a sham.''

In a recent report the World Bank urged India to look to renewable energy sources, in particular its barely tapped hydropower resources, to begin making up the country's energy shortfall.

And 60 eminent Indians, including the author Arundhati Roy and the historian Ramachandra Guha, have signed an open letter calling on the government to ''radically review its nuclear power policy''.

Meanwhile, in Jaitapur, the planned plant inexorably becomes a reality.

A few kilometres from Dr Desai's village, workers - protected by a police guard - have begun digging trenches and marking out the site for the reactors. He says he is unworried. He will continue to organise protests from his home, while he has one, and beyond. ''But I'm 100 per cent sure about our victory because people here are in no mood to relent. Discontentment and anger … grows day by day.''
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[Serpo]

There are some in the West already openly suggesting that Japanese buy a piece of land the size of Japan in Siberia to relocate their entire nation. As a Russian I would never sell a square inch of Russian soil but I would welcome those from the areas the most affected by the disaster to relocate to Siberia until things get back to relative normality in Japan. Japanese are honorable people and they respect themselves and others. I`ve met quite a few of them and it`s always a pleasure.


Thats right top people being lied to by the PTB ,sounds familiar.....

[beefsteak]

Think twice before viewing this. Very disturbing:


Chernobyl Decay and Deformed
http://www.youtube.com/embed/rvAJ_u3Q0Hw


Thanks, John Q for your valuable contribution, both to our lives in support of GS-US and this thread in particular by your contributions and continued interest!!!

You shared one of the most haunting visuals yet. May I share the one that keeps me awake and moving me forward, even when I don't feel like I can make a meaningful dent in this challenge for myself, let alone my family.

http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/beefsteak_GIM/412no4emptyspentfuelpool.jpg

As the caption above the photo states, this is the building #4, which had not only the very very recently removed reactor 4 still hot rods in the fuel pool, but also all the stored thousand upon thousands of spent fuel rods from at least the other 5 - Diaichi reactors also stored just below the ceiling.

That sucker is CLEARLY empty. That is enough to bring saint and sinner to their knees in horrific realization of just what is now "in the air" and circling our planet, in my humble opinion.

This particular screen capture is from the video posted on the website shown above the caption. Said sample is the "source" from whence came Eng. Arnie G.'s scathing 50,000 TRILLION Becquerels extrapolated analysis of radiation released from the 1cm3 of water sample TEPCO retrieved by overhead crane earlier in the vid. Eng. Gunderson's video was the April 13th one if one wishes to go refresh what Gunderston said.

All of Nuke Engineer, Arnie Gunderson's videos "in one spot" by a blogger:
http://femalefaust.blogspot.com/2011/04/fukushima-daiichi-must-see-videos.html

http://vimeo.com/22352930

Yes, still quaking in my boots.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Just wanted to speak my heart tonight, as today, Holy Saturday in my faith system, has brought many new contemplations this year. I'm so very grateful for the sharing of information, ideas, and support of this thread, even as many of us hear, re-enact, meditate and personally pause during this Passover Time/ Easter weekend on the "calendar."

Best regards.
beefsteak

[Serpo]

Everyday is a miracle Beefsteak...........

what do ya make of this......

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhmh0l31G8RuUjXqwm

[Horn]

You shared one of the most haunting visuals yet. May I share the one that keeps me awake and moving me forward, even when I don't feel like I can make a meaningful dent in this challenge for myself, let alone my family.

http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/beefsteak_GIM/412no4emptyspentfuelpool.jpg

Yes, still quaking in my boots.

beefsteak


Just as we might have surmised from the get go, they blew apart & scattered with containment shells...

What are the implications here? I would think long term poisoning of the surrounding sea.

[Serpo]

You shared one of the most haunting visuals yet. May I share the one that keeps me awake and moving me forward, even when I don't feel like I can make a meaningful dent in this challenge for myself, let alone my family.

http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/beefsteak_GIM/412no4emptyspentfuelpool.jpg

Yes, still quaking in my boots.

beefsteak


Just as we might have surmised from the get go, they blew apart & scattered with containment shells...

What are the implications here? I would think long term poisoning of the surrounding sea.


So what this means that thousands upon thousands of rods got blown every which way...................



EPA RADnet Reports Show Plutonium in US since March 18th

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/04/21/radioactive-fukushima-plutonium-strontium-bombarding-west-coast-march-18th-19279/

[beefsteak]

Google Earth Maps Out At-Risk Populations Around Nuclear Power Plants

Reactor 1 water level concerns
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/23_05.html



Freshly updated on this last link above...



Reactor 1 water level concerns
Sat April 23, NHK

The Japanese government has expressed concern about the structural strength of the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant's Number 1 reactor. It says the ongoing water injections may be making the vessel less earthquake resistant.

Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, is planning to fill part of the containment vessel with water to cool the reactor.

TEPCO wants the water level to reach the top of the fuel rods in reactors one and three by mid July, so it can cool them under more stable conditions.

At the Number 1 reactor, where fuel rods are believed to be the most seriously damaged, six tons of water are being injected every hour.

TEPCO believes the water is vaporizing, then condensing in the containment vessel.

The water level is now estimated to be about half way up the bulb of the dry well.

TEPCO says the water accumulation will not compromise the structure. But the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency says large amounts of water can make the building less earthquake-proof.

The agency says it needs to check whether the suppression pool pipes can withstand higher levels of pressure from the extra water.

Saturday, April 23, 2011 07:20 +0900 (JST)

Sounds like a continuation of the damning analysis of Eng. Arnie G's "feed and bleed" operation. 6 Ton's an hour. Turning into Steam? Inside a "closed" reactor? You're kidding, right? That kind of steam generation at 5,000F temps is just begging for an explosion. And as I recall, there is already NO ROOF remaining on #1. Opps...so much for containment...

Bet we're talking humongous more gushing into the ocean...jis' saying.

[Serpo]

Ex-Rad, the U.S. Military's Radiation Wonder Drug

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/03/16/ex-rad-militarys-radiation-wonder-drug/#ixzz1KKBEHRi0


TEPCO to install more wastewater storage tanks

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/24_03.html

WHAT A MESS
Hi-res photographic proof reactor core exploded at unit 3

http://lucaswhitefieldhixson.com/hi-res-photographic-proof-reactor-core-exploded-unit-3-0

[Serpo]

Google Earth Maps Out At-Risk Populations Around Nuclear Power Plants

Reactor 1 water level concerns
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/23_05.html



Freshly updated on this last link above...



Reactor 1 water level concerns
Sat April 23, NHK

The Japanese government has expressed concern about the structural strength of the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant's Number 1 reactor. It says the ongoing water injections may be making the vessel less earthquake resistant.

Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, is planning to fill part of the containment vessel with water to cool the reactor.

TEPCO wants the water level to reach the top of the fuel rods in reactors one and three by mid July, so it can cool them under more stable conditions.

At the Number 1 reactor, where fuel rods are believed to be the most seriously damaged, six tons of water are being injected every hour.

TEPCO believes the water is vaporizing, then condensing in the containment vessel.

The water level is now estimated to be about half way up the bulb of the dry well.

TEPCO says the water accumulation will not compromise the structure. But the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency says large amounts of water can make the building less earthquake-proof.

The agency says it needs to check whether the suppression pool pipes can withstand higher levels of pressure from the extra water.

Saturday, April 23, 2011 07:20 +0900 (JST)

Sounds like a continuation of the damning analysis of Eng. Arnie G's "feed and bleed" operation. 6 Ton's an hour. Turning into Steam? Inside a "closed" reactor? You're kidding, right? That kind of steam generation at 5,000F temps is just begging for an explosion. And as I recall, there is already NO ROOF remaining on #1. Opps...so much for containment...

Bet we're talking humongous more gushing into the ocean...jis' saying.





So many reactors makes it crazy and hard to keep up.Poor ol ocean and its life forms and then us.

[woodman]

I admit I'm pretty ignorant about the long term effects of radiation beyond the cancers and birth defects. Can anyone here expound on the genetic damage that will be levied upon our offspring? Will this radiation be a mutagen, forever affecting our decendants and their ability to function as healthy individuals? It seems to me that once the genome is passed on in a mutation, that mutation is forever. What do I know...

Perhaps there are studies of radiation victims and their progeny. I know there must be. Haven't been privy to the info though. I can be pretty paranoid but I don't think it is out of line to worry about the effect upon our children, who will bear the brunt of this horror, and our children's children's children.

I must admit, this whole thing has turned me pretty pessimistic and depressed. The future does not look too rosy. I guess the best we can hope for is that it is not as bad as we think it might be.

Those most responsible for this need to be identified and dished out a plate of steaming hot justice.

[solid]

I must admit, this whole thing has turned me pretty pessimistic and depressed. The future does not look too rosy. I guess the best we can hope for is that it is not as bad as we think it might be.


My thoughts too. You know, when I look back on things, I realize how stubborn I can be, and I take pride in the fact that I never give up. I've tested this many times. But this whole situation...we are fighting an enemy we can not see. I'm sitting here West Coast, there's light rain outside, thinking I'm losing the fight absorbing a silent killer every second....and there's not a damn thing I can do about it.

All that's left is hope, and belief in God, and this dreary Easter morning. God bless you all for being the fine folks you are.

[crazychicken]

We are safe from a tsunami, but a bit less than the glow-in-the dark problem here in northern Nevada.

God help us all. He certainly has a strange sense of humor.

Just maybe the current situation is payback for the modern version of Sodam and Gamorra(spelling?) in this country, in this world????

CC






I must admit, this whole thing has turned me pretty pessimistic and depressed. The future does not look too rosy. I guess the best we can hope for is that it is not as bad as we think it might be.


My thoughts too. You know, when I look back on things, I realize how stubborn I can be, and I take pride in the fact that I never give up. I've tested this many times. But this whole situation...we are fighting an enemy we can not see. I'm sitting here West Coast, there's light rain outside, thinking I'm losing the fight absorbing a silent killer every second....and there's not a damn thing I can do about it.

All that's left is hope, and belief in God, and this dreary Easter morning. God bless you all for being the fine folks you are.

[keehah]

Many others in your boat solid with those thoughts.

http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/tokyo-disneyland-resumes-night-operations-but-parade-canceled-by-rain

[gunDriller]

My thoughts too. You know, when I look back on things, I realize how stubborn I can be, and I take pride in the fact that I never give up. I've tested this many times. But this whole situation...we are fighting an enemy we can not see. I'm sitting here West Coast, there's light rain outside, thinking I'm losing the fight absorbing a silent killer every second....and there's not a damn thing I can do about it.

you can make sure you don't assimilate any radiation into your body - although the measures you would need to take would be drastic. for example, you can't buy milk at the store ... you would have to raise goats indoors & feed them food that is radiation free - just to get milk.

or just stockpile a 1 or 5 or 10 year supply of evap. milk.

the effect of smaller amounts of radiation on adults is not so severe. a radiation level that does not hurt an adult will hurt a child or pregnant woman.


i'm still waiting for Obama to give his "we have nothing to fear but fear itself speech".

[gunDriller]

Think twice before viewing this. Very disturbing:


Chernobyl Decay and Deformed
http://www.youtube.com/embed/rvAJ_u3Q0Hw


that's what the Talmud worshippers are also doing to the people of Iraq & Afghanistan - as well as US soldiers - by using Depleted Uranium (DU) munitions.

i watched the first half. got the basic idea. very similar to the images of children deformed by the US use of DU.

[keehah]

i'm still waiting for Obama to give his "we have nothing to fear but fear itself speech".

What is fear if not bundles of energy fleeing from matter?

He's so afraid he's not running, he's radiating! 8)

[Serpo]

Thousands protest nuclear plants at Tokyo rally

About 4,500 people (pathetic there should of been heaps more than this)have rallied in Tokyo to call for the suspension of nuclear power plants.

The demonstrators gathered at Shiba Koen in central Tokyo and adopted a resolution calling for all nuclear plants in the country to be suspended and a nuclear-free society realized.

They marched through the streets of central Tokyo, holding banners and placards.

The protesters shouted, "Protect the children in Fukushima from radiation", as they passed the head office of Tokyo Electric Power Company.

The citizens' group that organized the demonstration says only about 100 people took part last year, but about 4,500 joined this year's protest, the largest in the event's history.

A member of the group, Hideyuki Ban, says the large turnout shows how the accident in Fukushima has raised the sense of crisis among the Japanese public, and they would like to further expand their activities.

The group plans to urge the government and political parties to work for the abolition of nuclear power.

Sunday, April 24, 2011 22:32 +0900 (JST)

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/24_18.html

[Serpo]

Think twice before viewing this. Very disturbing:


Chernobyl Decay and Deformed
http://www.youtube.com/embed/rvAJ_u3Q0Hw


that's what the Talmud worshippers are also doing to the people of Iraq & Afghanistan - as well as US soldiers - by using Depleted Uranium (DU) munitions.

i watched the first half. got the basic idea. very similar to the images of children deformed by the US use of DU.



Impossible to work out why anyone would do this sort of thing, its beyond horrible and disgusting ,its mutating the human race.

[Large Sarge]

I am not saying radiation is harmless or benign

but I do not personally agree with all the "half-life" info they give.

awhile back they admitted carbon dating was wrong....

that premise is on "half life" also

[midnight rambler]

Think twice before viewing this. Very disturbing:


Chernobyl Decay and Deformed
http://www.youtube.com/embed/rvAJ_u3Q0Hw


that's what the Talmud worshippers are also doing to the people of Iraq & Afghanistan - as well as US soldiers - by using Depleted Uranium (DU) munitions.

i watched the first half. got the basic idea. very similar to the images of children deformed by the US use of DU.



Impossible to work out why anyone would do this sort of thing, its beyond horrible and disgusting ,its mutating the human race.


Actually it's very simple - the death cult thrives on this sort of thing, they gain a lot of power from it. It's what they do.

[gunDriller]

Impossible to work out why anyone would do this sort of thing, its beyond horrible and disgusting ,its mutating the human race.


Actually it's very simple - the death cult thrives on this sort of thing, they gain a lot of power from it. It's what they do.


The Talmud-worshippers have practiced ritual human sacrifice for millenia. at first it was just on a small scale, like St. Simon of Trent -

http://www.stsimonoftrent.com/

he was a 2 year old boy that was kidnapped by a Jewish rabbi in 1475 for a Passover ritual. his reward for that early death was Saint-hood.


once the Talmud-worshippers were allowed back into England by Cromwell in the 1600's, they multiplied in number. when Nathan Rothschild did his "magic" by profiting massively by market manipulation at the time of the Battle of Waterloo, their fortunes grew many-fold - that was in the early 1800's.

the American revolution was a revolution against the Talmud-worshippers, as noted by Washington, Franklin, and their contemporaries.

as the Talmud-worshippers perverted the US colonies, they collaborated to make sure that Talmud-worshippers were at the wheels of power, in all industries.

and so the terrible immorality that allowed young Simon to be kidnapped by Jews for their Passover ritual, became institutionalized.

the current government of the US, corporate America, England, Israel - the result.


it is difficult to comprehend the sickness of the Talmud-worshippers, i admit.

what i don't understand is why they are so tolerant of the use of DU near Israel. DU dust knows no borders. its use in Iraq was measured as far away as England - for sure it's blowing through the streets of Tel Aviv.

i can only conclude that the Talmud-worshippers are so sick that they are willing to damage themselves in order to eliminate the Goyim - in this case, the population of Iraq.

[SLV^GLD]

I am not saying radiation is harmless or benign

but I do not personally agree with all the "half-life" info they give.

awhile back they admitted carbon dating was wrong....

that premise is on "half life" also


You have some basis in your skepticism. The crux of this is the idea that carbon dating is susceptible to conditions that are outside recorded history.

However, the majority of half-life information is not outside the realm of recorded history. Half-life information may be mutable by exogenous circumstance just as carbon dating may be mutable by exogenous circumstance. The argument that carbon dating is a flawed methodology is a theory requiring a hypothesis that cannot be disproven without prior scientific record. Other than half-lives approaching hundreds of years, there is ample prior record that fails to disprove that half-life information is currently correct. In the event that exogenous circumstance changes half-life information there is some hope we will be there to record such a happenstance and thereby modify the current set of information we have on that subject. The same holds true for the carbon dating mechanism.

All that is to say, Cesium 137 and Iodine 131 half-life information has failed to be disproven many, many times over and unless significant exogenous circumstance comes along to dramatically alter the mechanism by which they decay it is safe to assume that the current records are worth consideration in their near term effects.

[beefsteak]

SLV^GLD,
real glad to see you continuing to posting and helping the rest of us get our arms around a new topic that most of us older ones haven't heard discussed since after WWII unless we were unfortunate enough to be near TMI, or like veteran Antonio from Chernobyl was also unfortunate to deal with since '86.

Some new Qs for you?? I was just able to dig the words out of my mental miasma this morning, when I was supposed to be concentrating on the Easter Sermon in morning worship..... :oo--> The topic of Resurrection/aka awaking from the death cycle has a whole new import this year!

Hypothetically, let's say:
1 layer of I-131 was laid down via fallout here in America on 3/18 as a starting point, on a Greenhouse roof panel. No thickness in mind, just "a layer" if that helps define the hypothetically,

It's half life is 8 days as you explained earlier, for a basic total cycle halving the halving of the half, etc., of 80 days from that first occurrence on 3/18 deposition.

Now, it's 3/28,
a NEW fallout layer of I-131 is laid down--say on a greenhouse roof, atop the 3/18 layer already half-life-ing away.

Does the 3/18 layer continue on it's merry "half-life" decaying? Or do both layers intermix and the whole 8 day/80 day thing starts over on 3/28?

In otherwords, does the 3/18 layer continue on "its schedule" and the 3/28 layer has "its own schedule" so it only truly matters when the fallout is finally deposited from the overhead winds/rain/dusting up?

The follow-up question is this:
Do we who are either already using greenhouses, or contemplating putting up greenhouses, need to wash them off, like daily with well water to reduce the radioactive decay?

Follow-up #2
Just what greenhouse roof materials do the "big 4 penetrate" Plutonium, Iodine, Cesium, Uranium?
Does thickness enter into the "protection" since big lead roofing sheets is most likely "out?"

Follow-up #3
Would organic (aka wooden roofs) or metallic roofs (corrugated panels) or fiberglass/resin corrugated roof panels be more effective at controlling penetration of cumulative radiation through and into said greenhouses?

For example,
Do we all need to re-think this layering fallout/decay deal, and be building instead, old-fashioned, wooden barns with a hay mow "upper floor" that can be changed out and hay buried seasonally, thereby grow hydroponic food indoors, a.k.a not taking advantage of sun energy which is free?

I see that's more than a couple questions. :D Look forward to your responses. Thanks again!

Thanks for any enlightenment.

beefsteak

[Large Sarge]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZmmSSwtuS0

[gunDriller]

In otherwords, does the 3/18 layer continue on "its schedule" and the 3/28 layer has "its own schedule" so it only truly matters when the fallout is finally deposited from the overhead winds/rain/dusting up?

The follow-up question is this:
Do we who are either already using greenhouses, or contemplating putting up greenhouses, need to wash them off, like daily with well water to reduce the radioactive decay?

Follow-up #2
Just what greenhouse roof materials do the "big 4 penetrate" Plutonium, Iodine, Cesium, Uranium?
Does thickness enter into the "protection" since big lead roofing sheets is most likely "out?"

Follow-up #3
Would organic (aka wooden roofs) or metallic roofs (corrugated panels) or fiberglass/resin corrugated roof panels be more effective at controlling penetration of cumulative radiation through and into said greenhouses?


the radiation rain is "in the system". yes there will be localized hot spots. it's possible that the majority of it has been released ... i am not so optimistic. i do not think TEPCo has it under control.

i don't think rain on the roof of a greenhouse is a major concern. the major concern is to not eat poison, that is, to eat plants that were grown using radiation-free water (e.g. well-water), and to eat meat and protein that is radiation free.


http://rhodeislandredchickens.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/rhode-island-red-chicken.jpg

so, the chickens that i just got (Rhode Island Red) ... they were supposed to be outdoor chickens. but they may end up being greenhouse chickens. i will be eating their eggs, i don't want the chickens to be eating radiation-grain or drinking radiation water. since the farm supply stores are not yet worried about radiation in their animal food, it seems logical to lay in a supply of hopefully pre-March-11 chicken feed, and to prepare for making my own chicken feed in about 6 months. since the ingredients are usually wheat and cracked corn, it looks like they'll be sharing that part of my food supply.


foods grown using rainwater in the US might have radiation in them. that is the secret that the US gov. is currently sitting on. it's coming out in bits and pieces, like that news in the last 2 days about milk in Arizona being measured at 1400%+ of the supposed "safe" level, radiation-wise.

i think the main thing with a greenhouse is to use well water to water the food - keep rain-water off of it. unless you have the testing equipment and know-how to test your rainwater. i think it takes some time to learn how to do it, you can't just by a Geiger Counter and start waving the wand around, although that is how you start to learn, I guess.

if you're doing rainwater storage, maybe you will get some batches that are radiation-free.

i think it's also a good idea to limit air exchange in a greenhouse, although you will need fresh air for your plants to grow. you can also use animals to provide CO2 for the plants. if you get good enough at managing CO2 levels and oxygen levels, you can begin to seal off the food-production system.


i guess it's true that if your roof has puddles of water and the sun comes out and it dries, you might have some radiation dust. but personally i am choosing not to worry about that. i have a hunch that if i concentrate on growing and consuming radiation free food - a combination of stored food that was produced pre-Fukushima, and food that was grown in a controlled environment, like a greenhouse or indoors ... everything will be "all right" - or as "all right" as it can be, under the circumstances.


i am tempted to load my fridge up with yogurt etc. but i am not sure that is a good idea until i have a battery back-up for my fridge. one power outage and my preps spoil.

[sirgonzo420]

We are safe from a tsunami, but a bit less than the glow-in-the dark problem here in northern Nevada.

God help us all. He certainly has a strange sense of humor.

Just maybe the current situation is payback for the modern version of Sodam and Gamorra(spelling?) in this country, in this world????

CC




Hey...

... He started it.

[Large Sarge]

look into hydroponics, you use 10% of the water that "soil farming" does

(I figure that equates to "soil greenhouse" also)

anyway, clean non-radioactive water will be at a premium, so conserving what you have is a good idea....

[Large Sarge]

I am not saying radiation is harmless or benign

but I do not personally agree with all the "half-life" info they give.

awhile back they admitted carbon dating was wrong....

that premise is on "half life" also


You have some basis in your skepticism. The crux of this is the idea that carbon dating is susceptible to conditions that are outside recorded history.

However, the majority of half-life information is not outside the realm of recorded history. Half-life information may be mutable by exogenous circumstance just as carbon dating may be mutable by exogenous circumstance. The argument that carbon dating is a flawed methodology is a theory requiring a hypothesis that cannot be disproven without prior scientific record. Other than half-lives approaching hundreds of years, there is ample prior record that fails to disprove that half-life information is currently correct. In the event that exogenous circumstance changes half-life information there is some hope we will be there to record such a happenstance and thereby modify the current set of information we have on that subject. The same holds true for the carbon dating mechanism.

All that is to say, Cesium 137 and Iodine 131 half-life information has failed to be disproven many, many times over and unless significant exogenous circumstance comes along to dramatically alter the mechanism by which they decay it is safe to assume that the current records are worth consideration in their near term effects.


Look most (all?) of these radioactive elements were discovered/refined in the last 50-60 years, Madame Curry/ radium is an exception

But Uranium, Plutonium, etc are all new

now to measure something for say 50 years, and then to be able to project out a half-life of say 500,000 yerars (or much more in some cases), is quite ludicrous.

50 years of 500,000 is not even 1%, and based on this tiny fraction of data, you are able to tell me the sum total....

as if I am traveling from Georgia to Alaska, I drive to the edge of town heading northwest (less than 1% of the journey), and I can assure you "I am right on course, and in 500,000 years I will be there, my car is pointing in the perfect direction...."

[Large Sarge]

Vitamin C has many valuable attributes as a powerful antioxidant. Not only has it been shown to increase the ability of the immune system to fend off disease, but it also has a very positive effect for eradicating radiation from the body. Vitamin C is a water soluble vitamin with over 300 metabolic functions and is non-toxic in mega doses. Whatever the body does not utilize is excreted in the urine. The half life of vitamin C is approximately a half hour so it is in and out of your system rather quickly. Therefore to treat with vitamin C it must be taken relatively often over the course of the day to maintain saturation. Cancer patients undergoing chemotherapy have utilized mega doses of vitamin C for years in order to counter and protect themselves from deadly radiation.



Vitamin C is one of the best defenses against the effects of cell damaging free radicals. Radiation causes proliferation of free radicals by breaking or damaging chemical bonds in DNA, leading to cell death. Dr Levy has a book titled, Vitamin C, Infections Diseases, & Toxins. In this book he indicates radiation toxicity can cause mutations, cancer, birth defects and bone marrow suppression and can negatively affect all the tissues of the body due to the increase in free radicals. He indicates mega doses of vitamin C are potent enough to cope with this threat to the body. Vitamin C has been shown to help the immune system sweep the body of free radicals and in doing so protect the body from the damaging effects associated with them. The recommended daily dose on average is anywhere from 1000mg-3000mg; however, many utilize a mega dose of up to 20,000mg a day. Linus Pauling indicated 20,000mg a day was the most his patients could tolerate orally. Intravenous vitamin C has been used at doses 10 times that level with no problems.



Vitamin C does more than protect against radiation, it also repairs damage from previous exposure. For example, researchers at Harvard Medical School indicated: "Our experiment showed that vitamin C can prevent damage from radiation...it somehow keeps the radiation from killing the cells." Their experiment showed a dosage of 10grams (10,000mg) for humans exposed to extensive radiation had beneficial results protecting the body.



Vitamin C is well studied. Although many specific studies have not been completed to determine all the benefits of mega dose treatment with vitamin C, plenty of case studies indicate its positive attributes. Most notable is the ability of vitamin C to help the body recover and to protect vital bodily functions when undergoing radiation during chemotherapy. Although the radiation released from Japan's nuclear plant is well above the exposure limit of chemotherapy, the levels of radiation on American soil are minimal at this time. Vitamin C supplementation at the minimum dosage of 1000-3000mg would be a wise and cheap source of protection against the effects of radiation in the air, food and soil.

Source: Naturalnews.com

[SLV^GLD]

...does the 3/18 layer continue on "its schedule" and the 3/28 layer has "its own schedule" so it only truly matters when the fallout is finally deposited from the overhead winds/rain/dusting up?

Each individual atomic particle will decay on its own schedule. Proximity to younger or older particles is not known to alter the decay schedules of the separate isotopes.



Do we who are either already using greenhouses, or contemplating putting up greenhouses, need to wash them off, like daily with well water to reduce the radioactive decay?

Sitting on the roof it presents an inhalation hazard which would be the worst case scenario. Washed down it incorporates into the soil, vegetation and water table. It's bad juju no matter how you slice it.



Just what greenhouse roof materials do the "big 4 penetrate" Plutonium, Iodine, Cesium, Uranium?
Does thickness enter into the "protection" since big lead roofing sheets is most likely "out?"

Pu-X is primarily a weak gamma emitter although it emits alpha, beta and gamma rays during decay.
Cs-137 is primarily a gamma emitter albeit a very strong one.
I-131 is primarily a beta emitter and a strong one at that, it is also a significant gamma emitter (~10%)
U-x is entirely an alpha emitter and a relatively weak one. It presents the smallest threat of these 4 radionuclides.

Gamma rays are the least ionizing of the 3 but also require the most mass to shield from think lead and/or concrete and lots of it. Beta rays are more ionizing but are relatively easy to shield from, layers of foil should prove sufficient. Alpha rays are incredibly ionizing but shielding is negligible, the real trouble with alpha emitters is inhalation or ingestion. In fact, the real trouble with any of these emissions is when they are occurring inside the body. Shielding from alpha emitters or any emitter for that matter should be against inhalation.

The actual radiation, the rays emitted, are ionizers. They will likely alter/damage organic cells as they pass through. Protecting crops from radionuclides is about keeping them from being incorporated through water and soil. As long as the radionuclides are collected on the roof they are presenting minimal threat to the plants below. Yes, they could cause damage and or mutations but the resulting plant will not be radioactive just from exposure to the ionizing rays.
Protecting your body from radionuclides is primarily about keeping them from being incorporated through inhalation or ingestion. Crops that have incorporated radionuclides will deposit those radionuclides into the body when eaten. However, our bodies also need protection from the emitted beta and gamma rays which can only be accomplished by shielding or reducing proximity so as to negate the penetrating capability of the rays. Ionizing rays passing through our bodies will damage cellular structures including DNA and generally results in cancer.


I am no pro at this stuff and my understanding may well be flawed but I am fairly certain the information i have presented is accurate enough to have answered your questions.

[SLV^GLD]

Look most (all?) of these radioactive elements were discovered/refined in the last 50-60 years, Madame Curry/ radium is an exception Most of these discoveries were made in the late 1700s to mid 1800s with the exception of Plutonium in the 1930's.


now to measure something for say 50 years, and then to be able to project out a half-life of say 500,000 yerars (or much more in some cases), is quite ludicrous.
I would say ludicrous is a strong word because it implies uselessness of the information. The fact is that I qualified my post with specifically Cs-137 and I-131 which have been observed throughout their entire decay process. I also qualified my post by admitting that the current set of information is an extrapolation with scientific merit that was still susceptible to modification with the inclusion of new information.

Fact is, the extrapolations have yet to be disproven or modified with new information.

Just because the potential for the information to be modified is admitted does not mean we should disregard the current set of information. We should look at a number consisting of hundreds of thousands of years and consider that even if that number later proves to be off by a few orders of magnitude we still have a serious, long term problem on our hands RIGHT now. Arguing about whether or not the radiation sticks around for 500 years or 500,000 years seems trivial and, dare I say it, ludicrous in light of the fact that it still represents multiple generations of our human race and a significant impact on earth's ecosystem.

If you have some disproof step up and show it otherwise let's work with the information we have, shall we? We aren't discussing whether or not the Earth is billions of years old versus 6,000 but whether or not there will be an inhabitable planet in just a few decades.

[Large Sarge]

look I stand by my assertion, and even if these elements are 100+ years old, to extrapolate out the timeline of 100,000's years is not viable IMO

lets do another comparison.

imagine space, launch a satellite into space, its traveling at some fixed rate, and you can project where it will be in 500,000 years, based on watching it for the first 100 years....

do you see my point?

you are projecting that all these things are regular and linear in nature, based on 1/1000th of a percent of data


we like to talk finance here

imagine if you sampled 1/1000th of a percent of the U.S. economy, and made a projection on that

would anyone take you seriously?

look at the amount of data you are dealing with, compared to the time line, etc

and yes our leaders hide some of the age of the earth (not from religous issues ok), but from catastrophic comets that have entered our solar system...

they do not want people to realize even they are powerless in those situations, so the "dinosaurs and such all died off millions of years ago"