What if the Jap reactor Blows??? what will be the effect on the Western USA???

[sirgonzo420]

look I stand by my assertion, and even if these elements are 100+ years old, to extrapolate out the timeline of 100,000's years is not viable IMO

lets do another comparison.

imagine space, launch a satellite into space, its traveling at some fixed rate, and you can project where it will be in 500,000 years, based on watching it for the first 100 years....

do you see my point?

you are projecting that all these things are regular and linear in nature, based on 1/1000th of a percent of data


we like to talk finance here

imagine if you sampled 1/1000th of a percent of the U.S. economy, and made a projection on that

would anyone take you seriously?

look at the amount of data you are dealing with, compared to the time line, etc

and yes our leaders hide some of the age of the earth (not from religous issues ok), but from catastrophic comets that have entered our solar system...

they do not want people to realize even they are powerless in those situations, so the "dinosaurs and such all died off millions of years ago"




I see merit to both what you and SLV^GLD have to say.

The point is, I don't care whether plutonium has a half-life of 24 years, 240 years, or 240,000 years... the question is:

How fucked are we, our children, our grandchildren, and their progeny?

[Large Sarge]

megadosing of vitamin C

radiation causes a "free radical storm"

Vitamin C takes care of it.

[Serpo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZmmSSwtuS0


Thanks for the health tips on this Sarge.
He mentions his e book Nuclear Sunrise which would be good to download ,but havnt found a suitable link for this yet.
Ginko and ginger where mentioned.

[Serpo]

look I stand by my assertion, and even if these elements are 100+ years old, to extrapolate out the timeline of 100,000's years is not viable IMO

lets do another comparison.

imagine space, launch a satellite into space, its traveling at some fixed rate, and you can project where it will be in 500,000 years, based on watching it for the first 100 years....

do you see my point?

you are projecting that all these things are regular and linear in nature, based on 1/1000th of a percent of data


we like to talk finance here

imagine if you sampled 1/1000th of a percent of the U.S. economy, and made a projection on that

would anyone take you seriously?

look at the amount of data you are dealing with, compared to the time line, etc

and yes our leaders hide some of the age of the earth (not from religous issues ok), but from catastrophic comets that have entered our solar system...

they do not want people to realize even they are powerless in those situations, so the "dinosaurs and such all died off millions of years ago"




I see merit to both what you and SLV^GLD have to say.

The point is, I don't care whether plutonium has a half-life of 24 years, 240 years, or 240,000 years... the question is:

How fucked are we, our children, our grandchildren, and their progeny?




Large Sarges posts on prevention is going to help prevent worst case scenarios from happening.

[gunDriller]

megadosing of vitamin C

radiation causes a "free radical storm"

Vitamin C takes care of it.


i already take 500 mg 3 or 4 times a day, in addition to the Vitamin C that is in my multi-vitamin and what i get from my food - i eat an orange every day.

do you think that's enough ?

[Large Sarge]

megadosing of vitamin C

radiation causes a "free radical storm"

Vitamin C takes care of it.


i already take 500 mg 3 or 4 times a day, in addition to the Vitamin C that is in my multi-vitamin and what i get from my food - i eat an orange every day.

do you think that's enough ?


Humans are about the only animal that lacks the enzyme to make vitamin C

Goats, which make their own, a 140LB goat would produce 13+ grams of vitamin C daily.

not sure what your weight, age, general health, etc

but the old sign is "until bowel tolerance"

meaning if you are not running to the toilet, you are absorbing it all...

I have taken close to 30 grams a day, and not had "the runs"

all depends on what is going on, are you fighting something (radiation), doing a lot of physical work, etc

increase your dose until you develop loose stools, then back off slightly...

maintenance dose

if you are able to with work and such, I would take a dose every hour or so, as it clears the body quickly

[sirgonzo420]

megadosing of vitamin C

radiation causes a "free radical storm"

Vitamin C takes care of it.


i already take 500 mg 3 or 4 times a day, in addition to the Vitamin C that is in my multi-vitamin and what i get from my food - i eat an orange every day.

do you think that's enough ?


Humans are about the only animal that lacks the enzyme to make vitamin C

Goats, which make their own, a 140LB goat would produce 13+ grams of vitamin C daily.

not sure what your weight, age, general health, etc

but the old sign is "until bowel tolerance"

meaning if you are not running to the toilet, you are absorbing it all...

I have taken close to 30 grams a day, and not had "the runs"

all depends on what is going on, are you fighting something (radiation), doing a lot of physical work, etc

increase your dose until you develop loose stools, then back off slightly...

maintenance dose

if you are able to with work and such, I would take a dose every hour or so, as it clears the body quickly




Where in the world do you buy enough Vitamin C at a reasonable price?

[SHTF2010]

Where in the world do you buy enough Vitamin C at a reasonable price?




think natural > rose hips, etc

[sirgonzo420]

Where in the world do you buy enough Vitamin C at a reasonable price?




think natural > rose hips, etc


I'll admit that nutrition is not exactly my forte... but my google-fu tells me there is only ~70mg of Vitamin C in an average size orange.

[lapis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZmmSSwtuS0


Thank you so much for posting this! I took some notes on it:

Radiation hormesis (also called radiation homeostatis) is the hypothesis that chronic low doses of ionizing radiation (in addition to the natural background doses) are beneficial, stimulating hypothetical reserve repair mechanisms that protect against disease, but are not activated in absence of additional iodizing radiation. The reserve repair mechanisms are hypothesized to be sufficiently effective when stimulated as to not only cancel the detrimental effects of extra ionizing radiation but also protect from other damage (see hormesis). This counter-intuitive hypothesis has captured the attention of scientists and public alike in recent years.

Radiation exposure can cause hardening of the arteries, heart attack, stroke. People can die from this, and their death will not be connected to radiation poisoning.

17:28: Dr. Blaylock talks about what to eat and take to protect your body from radiation damage:

Flavonoids in fruits and vegetables

Garlic

Ginkgo Biloba

Ginger protects against gamma radiation, the most damaging kind

http://i55.tinypic.com/ev9xdt.gif


Curcumin extract (Turmeric)

alpha lipoic acid

quercetin

Pomegranate extract

Resveratrol 200mg twice a day

Hesperidin 6 grams a day protects DNA from radiation damage

Curcumin and quercetin are more protective than vitamins C and E

Nano-sized metal particles are dangerous

Radiation exposure from a body scan is fairly evenly distributed; consuming it concentrates it in organs and in bones, near bone marrow.

Nuclear Sunrise, Dr. Blaylock's eBook

You can get it from his site:

http://www.blaylockwellnesscenter.com (page 2. It's ten dollars)

[Antonio]

Where in the world do you buy enough Vitamin C at a reasonable price?




GNC sells 1000mg pills,500 count for about 25$ without the Gold card which gives you about 20-25% discount on everything, also good deals on vit E.

[Large Sarge]

buy it bulk


http://purebulk.com/ascorbic-acid-vitcapsules


www.purebulk.com

I also use the vitamin shoppe

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-1012


anyway just shop around, the stuff is cheap.... (seriously)

and I doubt you will be anywhere enar 30 grams a day, I am a pretty big guy, and I was quite active then....

My guess is 15 grams a day is more than enough

oh once you find your "maintenance dose"

say you get zapped by some radiation, (of course you will not likely know it), you will just start feeling bad (run down, maybe sore throat, aches and pains, etc)

well, that is the sign to increase your vitamin C (until bowel tolerance again)

you see what I am saying?

if you get exposed to something, and feel bad, increase your vitmain c

so to you, if you feel bad at all, increase the vitamin C

reports on the web of folks taking 100,000 mgs a day, w/ bowel tolerance (fighting different infections, cancer, etc)

[sirgonzo420]

Where in the world do you buy enough Vitamin C at a reasonable price?




GNC sells 1000mg pills,500 count for about 25$ without the Gold card which gives you about 20-25% discount on everything, also good deals on vit E.


Thanks.

Kinda funny.... getting nutrition/health advice from a (former?) junkie.


:)

Thanks all the same!

[SLV^GLD]

Ginger protects against gamma radiation, the most damaging kind
That is a misnomer. Gamma radiation is actually the least ionizing (of alpha, beta and gamma) but it is the most penetrating. Beta falls in the middle with more ionization and less penetration. Alpha is the most ionizing but with the least penetration.

Ionization is damage, so gamma radiation is actually the least damaging it just has the best chance of getting you.

None of them are particularly good for you. Screw the idea that radiation stimulates repair processes. There is some truth to this but it's disingenuous to frame exposure to ionizing radiation as desirable.

[sirgonzo420]

buy it bulk


http://purebulk.com/ascorbic-acid-vitcapsules


www.purebulk.com

I also use the vitamin shoppe

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-1012


anyway just shop around, the stuff is cheap.... (seriously)

and I doubt you will be anywhere enar 30 grams a day, I am a pretty big guy, and I was quite active then....

My guess is 15 grams a day is more than enough

oh once you find your "maintenance dose"

say you get zapped by some radiation, (of course you will not likely know it), you will just start feeling bad (run down, maybe sore throat, aches and pains, etc)

well, that is the sign to increase your vitamin C (until bowel tolerance again)

you see what I am saying?

if you get exposed to something, and feel bad, increase your vitmain c

so to you, if you feel bad at all, increase the vitamin C

reports on the web of folks taking 100,000 mgs a day, w/ bowel tolerance (fighting different infections, cancer, etc)




Thanks.

30 grams per day would probably cover my wife and I both.

She already takes vitamins daily (although not megadoses), but I don't. I reckon it's time for us both to up our dosages.

I am going to look into buying bulk - that seems like the only real way to go.

[Large Sarge]

I think blaylock is probably correct, I just look at vitamin c as water soluble, involved in 100's of processes, and general protection

you cannot "overdose" on vitmain c

its cheap and abundant

and you have to remember you will likely be doing this protocol for years on end

so it has to be manageable economically also

10 cents a day on vitamin c versus $1.50 on other stuff....

anyway do what you can, stay out of the rain, etc

[Antonio]

Where in the world do you buy enough Vitamin C at a reasonable price?




GNC sells 1000mg pills,500 count for about 25$ without the Gold card which gives you about 20-25% discount on everything, also good deals on vit E.


Thanks.

Kinda funny.... getting nutrition/health advice from a (former?) junkie.


:)

Thanks all the same!

I could run Health and Fitness section full-time, used to lift weights all my life and I eat healthy no matter what :)
Junkies are often very health-conscious, there are pro-football players on 300mg of methadone/day.

[sirgonzo420]

Ginger protects against gamma radiation, the most damaging kind
That is a misnomer. Gamma radiation is actually the least ionizing (of alpha, beta and gamma) but it is the most penetrating. Beta falls in the middle with more ionization and less penetration. Alpha is the most ionizing but with the least penetration.

Ionization is damage, so gamma radiation is actually the least damaging it just has the best chance of getting you.

None of them are particularly good for you. Screw the idea that radiation stimulates repair processes. There is some truth to this but it's disingenuous to frame exposure to ionizing radiation as desirable.


Yep.

I'd say "the most dangerous kind" of radiation is whatever kind is being emitted from INTERNALLY INGESTED radioactive particulate.

I'd rather take a cross-country flight while getting an x-ray than eat something laden with even the slightest bit of plutonium/cesium/et al.

Alpha may not be able to penetrate more than a couple inches in air, and may be stopped with a sheet of paper, but a tiny bit of Pu emitting alpha will royally fuck up the cells in close proximity, which is how cancers start.

[midnight rambler]

I'd rather take a cross-country flight while getting an x-ray than eat something laden with even the slightest bit of plutonium/cesium/et al.

Where do you think the air in the cabin comes from while flying at 35,000 feet?

[sirgonzo420]

I'd rather take a cross-country flight while getting an x-ray than eat something laden with even the slightest bit of plutonium/cesium/et al.

Where do you think the air in the cabin comes from while flying at 35,000 feet?


Oh... I forgot to stipulate that in that hypothetical senario I would be outfitted in a state-of-the-art NBC suit with my own oxygen supply.


;D


The point I was trying to make is that ingesting radioactive material isn't particularly good.

Some "nuclear experts" like to compare doses to the EXTERNAL radiation received from flying in an airplane pre-Fukushima.

Said "nuclear experts" also seem to love talking about bananas... but your body can only keep so much potassium, radioactive or not. And eating bananas, though radioactive, is not comparable to eating Pu/Ce laced foods, or breathing Pu/Ce/etc laced air.

[solid]

I think blaylock is probably correct, I just look at vitamin c as water soluble, involved in 100's of processes, and general protection

you cannot "overdose" on vitmain c

its cheap and abundant

and you have to remember you will likely be doing this protocol for years on end

so it has to be manageable economically also

10 cents a day on vitamin c versus $1.50 on other stuff....

anyway do what you can, stay out of the rain, etc




Large Sarge, thanks a lot. I'm starting this advise right now. Usually I just take a multivitamin, and fish oil...I'm adding vitamin C and lots of it.

[Serpo]

Fukushima Could Have Been Worse...And WILL Be
From TC Burnett

4-24-11


Fukushima Daiichi is releasing 154 teraBecquerels of radionuclide particulate matter a day. Almost all of the reports repeat the statement that Fukushima has (so-far) released only about 10~ of the radiation Chernobyl released. No problem. Well, they say, "It COULD have been worse."
IT WILL BE!

Chernobyl is over. Fukushima hasn't really begun. Chernobyl released a huge radioactive cloud when it blew up. Fukishima will exceed the Chernobyl release in a year no matter what else happens. It will easily exceed the fallout created by all 2000+ nuclear tests - which were stopped because enough tests make a nuclear war unnecessary. Once you irradiate all the plants and all the animals and all the fish and all the people, dropping bombs is superfluous.
Those melting nuclear cores aren't going away. There are additional differences. Chernobyl didn't dump radioactive water into the world's primary fishing waters. Fukushima will have to dump highly radioactive water into the oceans for many years just to PREVENT a Chernobyl-type accident * Fukushima will be many times worse than Chernobyl and will continue for, possibly, hundreds of years.

I was asked yesterday how soon someone could go back to the area of Fukushima Daiichi, buy land, build a house and do a little farming and fishing. 20,000 years. "No, really." Well...three hundred years after the last fission reaction stops. And then another 15,700 to allow all the isotopes it cooks up to decay. Yep. 20,000.

I have information from Yoichi 'boots on the ground' that smoke was emitting from the Kashiwazaki last week after the MAG 7,1 EQ. which occurred off Honshu on 7 APR 2011. I have further information that in addition to Fukushima Daiichi, the nuclear plants at Onagawa, Fukushima Daini, Tokai and now Kashiwazaki, were ALL damaged by the MAG 9.0 EQ of March 11 and are in shut-down status.

"I saw something really interesting today. I went to Google Earth (tm) and flew over Onagawa. The inlets north and south of the reactor and everywhere else I looked suffered enormous damage from the tsunami. Everywhere. But not even a stone was out of place at the Onagawa nuclear plant. The date on the map was 11 March, 2011.
The picture of the plant probably came from Digital Globe one minute before the tidal wave hit - but they may be from last year. I'll wager it doesn't look like that today."

The 'after' pictures show the disaster everywhere except at the reactor. I thought that was odd...so I looked at Fukushima Daiichi. The reactors are damaged - we have all seen the pictures - but the photo has been manicured. Take a look. I looked at Fukushima Daiini, only 11km south of Fukushima Daiichi. The tsunami destroyed the entire coastline but somehow didn't hit the reactor at all. Which is impossible. I ran out of time before I got to Tokai, but now you know where to look. The attached report is interesting.

TEPCO wanted to re-start the three reactors at Kashiwazaki (which were damaged in a 2007 earthquake and have been off ever since).
That is not an example of forward thinking - it is pure, naked desperation.

Their idea of restarting Fukushima Daiichi reactors #5 and #6 further supports desperation. There are so many problems at SEVERAL of their nuclear plants that rolling blackouts are now the norm.
Every functional nuclear plant is being pushed to the limit and beyond in order to maintain a semblance of normality - but they are ALL in bad repair and are sitting ducks for the next mega-quake....or for ONE overworked plant manager to make a bad decision. Or simply overuse.
As of March 23, neutron beams have been reported at least thirteen times at Fukushima Daiichi. The Japanese government states that these are not the result of criticality accidents and then go right on to state that limited fission may be occurring.

Do tell! If a neutron beam is observed at Fukushima, it is from a fission excursion. You can call it 'limited fission', 'not a criticality accident', 'bubbles in the bathtub' or any other name you like but nuclear criticality is the only thing that produces a neutron beam.

They are almost certainly leaving the isle of denial by now and coming to the belated realization that they can't stop it. Remember that 6 to 9 month plan for 'repair'? You won't hear that anymore.
Do you remember the idea of constructing a huge, steel tank to hold radioactive water? That probably won't happen. They would simply fill it up and wait for the next earthquake to breach it. Huge, steel water tanks do not survive MAG 6.9 earthquakes. But the water must keep flowing. 20 cubic meters of it an hour, or the genie wakes up.
Furthermore, it is now becoming more likely that a small Chernobyl-type explosion DID occur at Fukushima Daiichi reactor #3. I have to write the name out instead of abbreviating because there also seem to be problems at :

Onagawa reactor #3
Fukushima Daini reactor #3
Tokai Reactor #3
Kashiwazaki reactor #3

The evacuation zones are not going to be reduced at all - On April 23, while a school doctor was telling the kids that the radiation danger is over, the Japanese government was EXPANDING the evacuation zones. I didn't read the wording of that announcement yet but Jeff Rense' source in Japan said "The wording on the upcoming evacuation sounds eerily like expectation of another larger blast/meltdown."

Which is it? We already know. On March 12 when the fuel tubes ruptured and the fuel pellets began to fission and melt together, it no longer mattered whether ALL of them did or not. The ones which are fissioning will continue. The ones which haven't YET are merely waiting for the water to be turned off.

Again: SOME amount of fissile material is fissioning and continues to fission. It is in a steel can which is partially full of boiling water. There is not enough water to cover the fuel rods and too much to risk putting more water in - the container was not designed to hold water and it may rupture from the weight. It is, in effect, a nuclear cauldron. If they pump the boiling water out (and into the ocean), the core will probably explode. If they don't pump it out, the next earthquake will breach the can and spill boiling radioactive water all over... and THEN the core will explode.

They don't know the status of the fuel core. They cannot get near it. The heat and radioactivity melts robots and cameras. The core is protected by a hardened concrete caisson (called a containment vessel) which surrounds the reactor itself and is designed to protect them from bombs and airplane strikes AND TO KEEP THIS VERY THING FROM HAPPENING - but it is now cracked - so the bad stuff can get out and nothing can get in except some water through secondary lines. And the core is generating deadly radiation.

MULTIPLY THAT FOUR OR FIVE OR SIX TIMES. Welcome to Honshu.

About the only viable plan left is to run away, but there is nowhere to run. Or invent a scenario in which all of the remaining fuel is vaporized at once. Nuke all the cores at once and burn off all the fissile material. THEN you can compare it to Chernobyl. Or just wait and hope the extinction event doesn't happen in your lifetime - but it will. People will start dying in a big way by 2020. The ones still alive in 2034 won't necessarily be the luck ones.


Damage Needs Assessment Report - pdf

http://www.rense.com/general93/Fullreport_0.pdf


http://www.rense.com/general93/fut.htm

[Antonio]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-3Kf4JakWI&feature=player_embedded

[Antonio]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/8472416/Chernobyl-recovery-officer-criticises-Japans-efforts-at-Fukushima.html

Chernobyl recovery officer criticises Japan's efforts at Fukushima
Soviet efforts to contain the Chernobyl nuclear disaster a quarter of a century ago were far better than Japan's "slow-motion" response to the disaster at Fukushima, a leading member of the 1986 recovery effort said.

Gen Antoshkin said he thought the Japanese were simply unable to cope on their own Photo: AP
By Andrew Osborn, Moscow 5:49PM BST 25 Apr 2011
In a rare interview on the eve of the 25th anniversary of Chernobyl on Monday, Col-Gen Nikolai Antoshkin said he was shocked at how poorly Japan had coped with its own nuclear disaster.

"Right at the start when there was not yet a big leak of radiation they (the Japanese) wasted time.

And then they acted in slow-motion," he said.

The Soviets had evacuated 44,600 people within two and a half hours and put them up in "normal comfortable conditions" on the same day, he recalled.

"Look at advanced Japan," he said. "People are housed in stadiums and are lying about on the floors of sports halls in unhygienic conditions."

Gen Antoshkin said he thought the Japanese were simply unable to cope on their own. "It is clear that they do not have enough strength or means. They need to ask the international community for help," he said. "I think the Japanese catastrophe is already more serious than Chernobyl. The main thing is that they do not allow it to become three, four or five times more serious."

Gen Antoshkin, 68, was in charge of Soviet pilots who flew over Chernobyl's stricken fourth reactor, dropping lead, sand and clay from the air to try to contain radiation. In the ten days after the accident on 26 April 1986, his pilots flew 4,000 such flights, exposing themselves to huge radiation doses.

Gen Antoshkin insisted that his men, many of whom later died from cancer, knew the risks they were taking. "Of course the pilots knew (they were getting high doses) and the consequences," he said. "But the pilots knew that the reactor needed to be covered as quickly as possible. You'd tell the pilot to leave but he'd come back."

Radiation levels were so high that they were off the scale, he added, and precautions were as basic as being told to change uniform and have a good wash.

[Antonio]

http://vimeo.com/22833983

[beefsteak]

Thanks, Antonio for the latest vid from Eng. Arnie G. (I'm watching in reverse order...)

That was disappointing. I've been counting on him for truth about Fukushima. I've also been counting on him to follow-through on his promised (twice now) balance of the Areva seminar material.

Smells like he's succumbed to pressure whether from outside or above, somebody reminded him that nuke power puts bread on his table, and in his retirement kitty. That's the only reason I can think of for that propaganda fluff piece.

:'(

[beefsteak]

My My, what a difference between Dr. Christopher Busby's analysis and direct answers to direct questions, vs. what was just served up by Gunderson.

The contrast was remarkable!

Thanks again, Antonio.

[Serpo]

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[Serpo]

Bioflavonids are like a complex vitamin C......a bit like whole grain bread compared to simple white bread.

So if buying Vit C ask for it with bioflavonids.

Vitamin P - bioflavonoids - are required for

Bioflavonoids enhance the action of Vitamin C and for this reason they should be taken together. Bioflavonoids are effectively used in the treatment of sport injuries as they are pain relieving. They may also be used in relieving pain in the legs, across the back and can lessen the symptoms of prolonged bleeding, a low serum calcium as well as oral herpes.

Bioflavonoids may also be active in preserving the structures of capillaries, have an antibacterial effect and promote circulation. They may be indicated in the production of bile, lowering blood cholesterol levels and in the prevention and treatment of cataracts.

Bioflavonoids are thought to enhance the absorption of Vitamin C, and possibly to prolong the effectiveness of it as well. These are super active substances, and can add a great deal to your nutritional needs in health and disease.

This nutrient acts together with Vitamin C to help maintain the thin walls of the capillaries, therefore preventing bleeding or bruising. Bioflavonoids have been linked to having an antibacterial effect, stimulating bile production, promoting circulation and even assisting with fighting allergies, asthma etc.

http://www.anyvitamins.com/vitamin-p-bioflavonoids-info.htm

[beefsteak]

Found this on energy news site just now. Good charts to catch up on wrt. EPA reports of not just I-131



New EPA radiation tests show Cesium in California rainwater at highest level since crisis began

*
Noah
April 25, 2011 at 6:39 pm · Reply

It is remarkable how much longer it takes to prepare to leave the house. Following safety protocols to live in a low level radioactive environment takes additional time.

Here are some practical suggestions.

Always travel with a umbrella. You never know when you will be caught in radioactive rainfall.

Always travel with RO/DI purified water. Avoid drinking from public water fountains. If you must, purchase bottled water, if you do not have your own purified water with you from home.

Keep your car windows closed as much as possible. Avoid riding around the city with your car vent on open.

Avoid riding a moped or motorcycle or bike in the rain. Air pressure will push the radioactive rain droplets into your lungs. Upon riding in rain upon returning home, strip down in stage one decontamination room leaving all clothing and shoes in the decon area. Shower, soaping fully through three cycles of cleansing and rinse. Do not wash contaminated clothes with bleach, (bleach volatilizes I-131) use borax instead to add to detergent. Wash three times with two rinses each. Do not mix rain contaminated clothing/gear with normal wash.

Dry clothes in dryer. Due to fallout, do not hang clothing outside to dry.


We were advised to add baking soda to the laundry, so that's what wife's been doing. My advice would be, if so, be sure and have some "Bounce" sheets on hand, and cut into 4ths, or 8ths, to add to a dryer load. It helps with the alkaline post-laundry smell. I don't like my T-shirts and pants smelling worse after laundry than I did before I put them in the tub.

She's working hard to get the hang of doing this transition thing. The latest victory is she found some freeze dried banana chips she pitched a fit about me buying a few years back. She jumped on them like a cat on a mouse. She makes great banana nut bread and now she knows she won't have to do without banana nut bread she's locally famous for. :)

beefsteak

[woodman]

Found this on energy news site just now. Good charts to catch up on wrt. EPA reports of not just I-131



New EPA radiation tests show Cesium in California rainwater at highest level since crisis began

*
Noah
April 25, 2011 at 6:39 pm · Reply

It is remarkable how much longer it takes to prepare to leave the house. Following safety protocols to live in a low level radioactive environment takes additional time.

Here are some practical suggestions.

Always travel with a umbrella. You never know when you will be caught in radioactive rainfall.

Always travel with RO/DI purified water. Avoid drinking from public water fountains. If you must, purchase bottled water, if you do not have your own purified water with you from home.

Keep your car windows closed as much as possible. Avoid riding around the city with your car vent on open.

Avoid riding a moped or motorcycle or bike in the rain. Air pressure will push the radioactive rain droplets into your lungs. Upon riding in rain upon returning home, strip down in stage one decontamination room leaving all clothing and shoes in the decon area. Shower, soaping fully through three cycles of cleansing and rinse. Do not wash contaminated clothes with bleach, (bleach volatilizes I-131) use borax instead to add to detergent. Wash three times with two rinses each. Do not mix rain contaminated clothing/gear with normal wash.

Dry clothes in dryer. Due to fallout, do not hang clothing outside to dry.


The latest victory is she found some freeze dried banana chips she pitched a fit about me buying a few years back. She jumped on them like a cat on a mouse. She makes great banana nut bread and now she knows she won't have to do without banana nut bread she's locally famous for. :)

beefsteak


Is there a problem with bananas? They come from pretty far south. I figured they'd be ok.

[SLV^GLD]

Is there a problem with bananas? They come from pretty far south. I figured they'd be ok.


This wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_equivalent_dose) summarizes all the banana talk about as good as anything. Long story short, NO, there isn't a problem with bananas except that their inherent K-40 can be misconstrued as a representation of intentional ingestion of fission products.

[woodman]

Is there a problem with bananas? They come from pretty far south. I figured they'd be ok.


This wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_equivalent_dose) summarizes all the banana talk about as good as anything. Long story short, NO, there isn't a problem with bananas except that their inherent K-40 can be misconstrued as a representation of intentional ingestion of fission products.


Ah, thanks for that SLV>GLD. I have not heard of the BED (banana equivalent dose) before. I'd not worry about bananas unless I ate them like I used to smoke cigarettes, one after another. I don't believe there is much possibility of chromosomal damage extending to offspring from such sources. This BED seems like a ploy by the nuclear industry to marginalize danger.

[Cobalt]

Resin spraying starts at nuclear plant

At the damaged Fukushima nuclear power plant, workers have begun spraying a chemical hardening agent to prevent the spreading of radioactive dust.

Radioactive dust is scattered on the plant's compound as a result of hydrogen explosions at 2 of the plant's 6 reactors in March.

The plant's operator, the Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, says 3-week test-spraying of the agent proved that it keeps radioactive dust from being blown away.

TEPCO plans to spray 1-million cubic meters of the agent on the 500,000-square-meter compound by the end of June.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/26_29.html

[PatColo]

Re: What if the Jap reactor Blows??? what will be the effect on the Western USA???

http://rense.com/1.imagesH/sheepmag_dees.jpg

[sirgonzo420]

Is there a problem with bananas? They come from pretty far south. I figured they'd be ok.


This wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_equivalent_dose) summarizes all the banana talk about as good as anything. Long story short, NO, there isn't a problem with bananas except that their inherent K-40 can be misconstrued as a representation of intentional ingestion of fission products.


Ah, thanks for that SLV>GLD. I have not heard of the BED (banana equivalent dose) before. I'd not worry about bananas unless I ate them like I used to smoke cigarettes, one after another. I don't believe there is much possibility of chromosomal damage extending to offspring from such sources. This BED seems like a ploy by the nuclear industry to marginalize danger.


It's exactly that.

Your body has a way of handling potassium, radioactive or not, so it will not bio-accumulate no matter how many bananas you eat.

Not the case for iodine, cesium, plutonium...

[Neuro]

A million cubic meters on half a million square meters... That means the layer of this substance is going to be 2 meters thick. When will they start covering the core meltdowns with sand, lead and concrete...

[Cobalt]

A million cubic meters on half a million square meters... That means the layer of this substance is going to be 2 meters thick. When will they start covering the core meltdowns with sand, lead and concrete...


The rest of the article said "The spraying is to be followed by work to cover reactor buildings with huge filter sheets to prevent further releasing of radioactive material into the environment."

[PatColo]

2nd & 3rd hours of Rense last night (Mon),

Dr. Bill Deagle
Radiation Update

From Fukushima
Yoichi Shimatsu
Live Update

those 2 hours will repeat this morning beginning 9AM PT, noon ET. http://www.renseradio.com/listenlive.htm

Rense may or may not post free MP3s later, no guarantees though, he seems to post the weekly Shimatsu visit MP3s lately though.

[Serpo]

http://enenews.com/

“Mysterious circumstances” of explosion at reactor No. 3 — Cannot be explained by a simple hydrogen build-up
April 26th, 2011 at 12:45 PM




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April 26th, 2011 at 04:43 AM




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April 25th, 2011 at 09:01 PM




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New EPA radiation tests show Cesium in California rainwater at highest level since crisis began
April 25th, 2011 at 06:05 PM




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Nuclear expert: “Water is literally pouring out of the side” of reactor containment (VIDEO)
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Russian TV Host: There are reports that one of the Fukushima explosions was not actually a gas blast but a “nuclear reaction” (VIDEO)
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April 25th, 2011 at 02:35 PM




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Temperature rising in No. 4 spent fuel pool despite increased water injections (VIDEO)
April 25th, 2011 at 03:36 AM




Monitoring rising temperatures, NHK, April 25, 2011:

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April 23rd, 2011 at 07:13 PM




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April 23rd, 2011 at 06:46 PM




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April 23rd, 2011 at 10:07 AM




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April 23rd, 2011 at 08:26 AM




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[Serpo]

ARE THE NUCLEAR POWER PEOPLE INSANE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU3cUssuz-U&feature=youtu.be


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHs2Ugxo7-8&feature=related

[Serpo]

Arrogance And Nuclear Power
By Jim Kirwan
4-26-11


Our first warnings happened in near secrecy 65 years ago with the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki that the world for the most part has ignored.

In an effort to keep and expand 'nuclear-power' Eisenhower introduced this continuing crime against the world as something he called
the 'peaceful atom.' From that root, this nightmare has grown to the point that entire world is now held captive in its deadly-sway.

Today is the twenty-fifth anniversary of Chernobyl. The first peacetime catastrophe which has still not been given the priority necessary to end the source of radiation that is still being emitted from that broken nuclear site. And it's been about six weeks since the Japanese government, the IAEA and the Nuclear Safety Agencies along with GE (the manufacturer of the reactors at Fukushima), theUS government and the N.W.O.; have all sided with obfuscation, outright lies and disinformation about what is and has happened with the Fukushima nuclear site.

If any person had been RESPONSIBLE for the deaths of millions that will flow from this "accident" that was not an accident: That person would be tried and made to pay for their actions (or inactions) accordingly. If any company or government could be shown to have had a hand in creating this CRIME, then they too ought to be at least investigated for their complicity in keeping the details of this event SECRET, in LYING about the extent to the damage and the danger to the global-public, as well as FAILING to exhaust every method to entomb this continuing nightmare before it can do even more harm to the people and the planet. Yet nothing has even been hinted at in this regard: because this event was and still is, a major part of what has been planned in the elite's designed plan for the rest
of us. Proof of this is everywhere these 'nuclear-plants' currently exist: Because in every place there is no plan for evacuation, or containment should there be a nuclear-event.

That is so because all nuclear events are uncontrollable, by their very nature! What is possible is that the immediate public in whichever surrounding area must be evacuated, immediately. In Japan that action has still not happened and it's been six weeks since the explosions began. During all this time there has not been a real evaluation to establish RESPONSIBILITY for either the initial failures within the plant, or for the horrific FAILURES to protect life in the immediate area from the continuing emissions or to attempt to limit further damage from the explosions and meltdown that are yet to come from Fukushima. This Arrogance-of-Power is what has marked everything to do with "nuclear-energy,' from the moment it began to make its appearance across the world. So who will pay for all this death and destruction-and WHY has nothing been done to identify the FAILURES and those whose actions have furthered these failures who must, in the end, be held accountable before the whole world.

The corporation that built these reactors ought to be dissolved. The governments that allowed this to proceed without public-safeguards must be thrown out of office and charged with CRIMES against HUMANITY. The "problem" of nuclear-power is global and there are NO PLANS anywhere to 'protect the public' from the threats contained in the 'peaceful-uses of atomic, nuclear or plutonium power." To continue to rely upon this Archangel of Death and global-destruction for any "peaceful-use" is not just an oxymoron: It bestows an automatic death sentence upon the people of the world.

Obamanation says 'Nuclear power is the cheapest and the safest way to supply power to people everywhere.' This massive lie is directly-contrary to the facts that clearly show, when everything involved is added into this equation: The FACTS are that "nuclear is absolutely far-and-away the MOST EXPENSIVE, and THE MOST DANGEROUS PATH that could ever be chosen for anyone, in any nation to choose: Because there is no way to stop what "nuclear" does if there is any kind of accident or sabotage to the plants themselves. Our problem is that the population of the planet did not have a choice or even a voice in those 'decisions' that were made for us by those same people who now want us dead!

These nuclear plants (worldwide) have brought us unending nuclear-POLLUTION and unimaginable costs that have driven up the PRICE of this method beyond the ability of the nations of the world to deal with the problems that they created when they went nuclear. Finally they presented the world with the unsolvable global-problem ofPROLIFERATION on a scale that has never been contemplated before-because had the truth been known anyone could see that this is global-suicide! (1)

On the plus side, by way of proving that the governments around the world were and are WRONG about what we need to do to provide cheap, safe and clean power to the whole world now!

"The Marshall System claims to be the first and only system to unlock the awesome power of deep-ocean hydrothermal vents for energy, mining, and water desalination. The system is completely non-polluting. Whereas, the largest nuclear power plant in the US has the ability to power 4,000,000 homes, one Marshall System plant could power 20,000,000 homes." This video shows us the only path that is affordable, immediately possible and safe. "It can also create fresh water from the steam derived, which would also make this the most energy efficient water-desalinization system ever devised." However this option is what Cheney and his Energy Policies have tried to obstruct since Cheney created this entire nightmare for the world-because he and the elites this Zionista represents chose their profits over the lives and futures of every man, woman and child on the planet! (2)

The "Arrogance of Nuclear Power" and the non-response to accept RESPONSIBILITY for the aftermath of its use and abuse is the major component in this global disaster that is still unfolding: Not just in Japan but across the whole earth, the global food-chain and the global-water supply, without which people cannot exist anywhere! Here's one of the things that these nuclear-advocates have tried to cover up. The MOX fuel tanks blew up in a nuclear explosion, and a meltdown. (3)

"Chernobyl is over. Fukushima hasn't really begun. Chernobyl released a huge radioactive cloud when it blew up. Fukushima will exceed the Chernobyl release in a year no matter what else happens. It will easily exceed the fallout created by all 2000+ nuclear tests - which were stopped because enough tests make a nuclear war unnecessary. Once you irradiate all the plants and all the animals and all the fish and all the people, dropping bombs is superfluous.
Those melting nuclear cores aren't going away. There are additional differences. Chernobyl didn't dump radioactive water into the world's primary fishing waters. Fukushima will have to dump highly radioactive water into the oceans for many years just to PREVENT a Chernobyl-type accident Fukushima will be many times worse than Chernobyl and will continue for, possibly, hundreds of years.

I was asked yesterday how soon someone could go back to the area of Fukushima Daiichi, buy land, build a house and do a little farming and fishing. 20,000 years. "No, really." Well...three hundred years after the last fission reaction stops. And then another 15,700 to allow all the isotopes it cooks up to decay. Yep. 20,000.

I have information from Yoichi 'boots on the ground' that smoke was emitting from the Kashiwazaki last week after the MAG 7,1 EQ. which occurred off Honshu on 7 APR 2011. I have further information that in addition to Fukushima Daiichi, the nuclear plants at Onagawa, Fukushima Daini, Tokai and now Kashiwazaki, were ALL damaged by the MAG 9.0 EQ of March 11 and are in shut-down status.

"I saw something really interesting today. I went to Google Earth (tm) and flew over Onagawa. The inlets north and south of the reactor and everywhere else I looked suffered enormous damage from the tsunami. Everywhere. But not even a stone was out of place at the Onagawa nuclear plant. The date on the map was 11 March, 2011.
The picture of the plant probably came from Digital Globe one minute before the tidal wave hit - but they may be from last year. I'll wager it doesn't look like that today."

The 'after' pictures show the disaster everywhere except at the reactor. I thought that was odd...so I looked atFukushima Daiichi. The reactors are damaged - we have all seen the pictures - but the photo has been manicured. Take a look. I looked at Fukushima Daiini, only 11km south of Fukushima Daiichi. The tsunami destroyed the entire coastline but somehow didn't hit the reactor at all. Which is impossible. I ran out of time before I got to Tokai, but now you know where to look. The attached report is interesting.

TEPCO wanted to re-start the three reactors at Kashiwazaki (which were damaged in a 2007 earthquake and have been off ever since).
That is not an example of forward thinking - it is pure, naked desperation.

Their idea of restarting Fukushima Daiichi reactors #5 and #6 further supports desperation. There are so many problems at SEVERAL of their nuclear plants that rolling blackouts are now the norm.
Every functional nuclear plant is being pushed to the limit and beyond in order to maintain a semblance of normality - but they are ALL in bad repair and are sitting ducks for the next mega-quake....or for ONE overworked plant manager to make a bad decision. Or simply overuse.
As of March 23, neutron beams have been reported at least thirteen times at Fukushima Daiichi. The Japanese government states that these are not the result of criticality accidents and then go right on to state that limited fission may be occurring.

Do tell! If a neutron beam is observed at Fukushima, it is from a fission excursion. You can call it 'limited fission', 'not a criticality accident', 'bubbles in the bathtub' or any other name you like but nuclear criticality is the only thing that produces a neutron beam." (4)

Human-beings have for far too long simply accepted the total lack of RESPONSIBILITY, by governments everywhere, to make the decisions that could have protected us all from this deadly and invisible nuclear-killer. But there are CONSEQUENCES for actions of this type, regardless of whether or not the politicians notice what is going on; because DEATH has a way of making itself known despite political decisions to the contrary.

This world is "OURS" or rather it was when we demanded to be heard and still cared enough about our own futures to override the criminals-among-us to prevent the premature ending of our lives. Everyone must die at some point: but what is happening now is artificially creating horrible endings where nothing of that kind was ever a requirement. This Global-Death-Threat must be confronted globally and its creators must be removed from their current positions of power; especially here inside USI. This is a matter of Global Life & Death, and if we are human-beings then we cannot simply continue to turn away. . .

kirwanstudios@sbcglobal.net

1) Chernobyl Catastrophe: Twenty-fifth Anniversary of the World's Worst Nuclear Accident
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/4/26/chernobyl_catastrophe_25th_anniversary_of_worlds

2) Deep-Ocean Vents: Power Five Times Greater than Nuclear Power Plants - 4 minute- 30 second video
http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/alternative-energy/deep-
ocean-vents-power5-times-greater-than-nuclear-power-plants.html

3) Busby: Can't seal Fukushima like Chernobyl it all goes - into the sea.

4) Fukushima Could Have Been Worse and WILL Be
http://rense.com/general93/fut.htm



http://www.rense.com/general93/arro.htm




http://marshallsystem.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6-_UTU_bJ0&feature=player_embedded

[beefsteak]

Fascinating Hydrothermal vents, vid, Serpo. Why isn't there a "live" on which we can view, and learn about? Has anyone built one of these already?

Amazing concept. I could "vote for that" if offered the datasets of a visible / tangible install where science could actually kick the tires, so to speak.

Thanks!

beefsteak

PS...that damage assessment PDF in that #4) link "Fukushima could have been worse, and will be"....you posted directly above (all 22 pages available and some in color) are very very informative. Kudos! It included some 30 "ground level perspective" photos which allowed me to enlarge 300% and really visually study and reflect. The stories of the destroyed fisheries and how that impacts the nations food availability on into the succeeding generations was very very full of impact and import. Near the end was a "town by town" needs list bringing down to "global village/helper response level" itemizations and suggestions. http://www.rense.com/general93/Fullreport_0.pdf

[beefsteak]

Suggest a moment of silent support for our valued GS and thread contributor, Antonio, as a Chernobyl survivor. And in memory of HIS friends and HIS loved ones and other fellow courageous Russians who have crossed over as the result of 25yrs ago today's nuclear reactor explosion, let us pause and remember their sacrifice for humanity and the price they paid and their progeny continue to pay. These transitioned--as well as still living--Russians have touched all our lives. Every last one of us in some way.

What a NEEDLESS uncaring loss of life. It's just plain wrong. And yet they've set the example of "get'er done already" when it came to burying this still radiating #7 level sarcophagus structure. May those who gave their lives willingly, and those who had no choice due to wrong place/wrong time syndrome, may THEY rest in peace, especially on this day of commemoration and reflection.

The courage to marshal 600,000 Russians plus other global citizenry rushing to aid you and your fellow Russians, is something that stands head and shoulders above the behavior we are observing currently in another part of the world. And let's NOT forget the follow-on Russian generations and their horrible diseases and mutations due to our global, criminal support of nuclear power, subsidized by governments no less--Russian or "Western" or Asian, or wherever this scourge is flourishing, perpetuating this crime against humanity.

May God's arms of loving care surround you this day, as you now have Chernobyl in your DNA, and are adding Fukushima to that already heavy DNA load, friend Antonio.

God Bless.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Appears I missed this one: March 14, dateline: Credible report on BHO's invitation to TEPCO to build nuke reactors in USA.

Article here:
http://www.gregpalast.com/no-bs-info-on-japan-nuclearobama-invites-tokyo-electric-to-build-us-nukes-with-taxpayer-funds/#more-4497

We must stop the insanity. Absolutely must.

And this is the same journalist/reporter that broke the story about BP's blowout 17months earlier...only in the Caspian Sea...
http://www.gregpalast.com/

[beefsteak]

2 small transition phase victories today.

First, the wife screwed up her courage to open a stashed "whole powdered eggs" package, and whipped up a small german choc cake, her favorite. She mixed the powder in with the 1/4 portion of her stashed store bought cake mix added the water required for the eggs, and stirred vigorously with a spoon. Then she poured it into one of those late-night TV deep dish Xpress grill deals she bought a long time ago, and set the timer which is really getting a work out around here. It rang, she plopped it out onto a small dish, sliced it into 3 long slivers and offered me one. So, that's progress. I couldn't tell the difference between it and a raw chicken egg frankly. But then, I'm not a german choc cake fan, so she could have used ex-lax and I wouldn't have been the wiser. At least I got more of this than she gave me of my own strawberry experiment. LOL

Second small step for mankind...the Red/Blue full spectrum LEDs were delivered today and they all work. Felt kind of like plugging in Christmas lights only in April, but hey...they all lit up.

I also spent some time learning how to deliberately add CO2 to Enclosed Hydroponic planted garden items. She quizzed me pretty hard about that, and wondered why it was such a big deal since we humans exhale CO2 all the time. Smart aleck that I am, I tried to enlist her for the graveyard 11 to 7 shift of direct exhaling through a straw aimed in rotation at the fledgling plants on the come. She didn't think that was funny at all.

Ever see an older woman stick her tongue out at you? It's a shocker I tell you. :taunt:

beefsteak

[Cobalt]

Newspaper apologizes over Snow White cartoon

The International Herald Tribune has apologized for publishing a cartoon that depicts Snow White looking skeptically at an old woman offering her an apple and asking, "Do you come from Japan?"

The newspaper issued a statement in Monday's edition saying the cartoon, published on April 21st, was offensive to the Japanese and that its selection was a lapse in judgment the newspaper regrets.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/26_09.html


http://www.japantimes.co.jp/images/photos2011/nn20110423a8a.jpg

[Horn]

The hydro-thermal vent should still need constant maintenance to harness. That part about a completely expense & maintenance free system, a bit of marketing hype.

Once harnessed hear will it open over there?

I do believe it is more feasible than other renewables though.

And why didn't they snap up that gulf oil leak in the same fashion, mining rights?

[beefsteak]

Ode to Joy...Dateline Cleveland OH...4 hours ago 4/26/2011:



[url=http://High radiation levels found at Ohio nuclear plant

(AP) – 4 hours ago 23:54 CDT

CLEVELAND (AP) — High radiation levels recorded at a nuclear reactor in northeast Ohio have prompted a special inspection by the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

The NRC says workers at the Perry Nuclear Power Plant immediately evacuated the plant on April 22 when radiation levels rose while the plant was in the process of shutting down for a refueling outage. The commission says the plant is safe and that officials don't believe workers were exposed to radiation levels that exceeded federal limits.

The commission says radiation levels rose when workers were removing a monitor that measures nuclear reactions during start-up and shutdown.

The nuclear reactor, owned by Akron-based FirstEnergy Corp., is about 35 miles northeast of Cleveland. A FirstEnergy spokesman did not immediately return a request for comment after business hours Tuesday.

[Serpo]

http://www.rense.com/general93/therm.htm

- From these images, it looks like that as of 3-20-11...

Reactor One had a fuel-pool meltdown and fission was continuing on the date of the picture.

R2 is probably having a reactor meltdown.

R3 had a reactor explosion - very like Chernobyl but for different reasons - and a continuing fission excursion exists.

Reactor 4 had a hydrogen explosion and got a dose of R3 when it blew. R4 could still be experiencing fission excursions in the expended fuel rods.

On 3-23-11, They switched equipment (because they couldn't touch the first drone to service it) and didn't see much.

3-24-11, They switched equipment again (because they couldn't touch the SECOND drone to service it). It looks worse, but it is probably just a more sensitive camera. They are probably waiting for more drones. I can safely describe the situation at R3 as a nuclear excursion in the reactor core. The comparison to Chernobyl is now literal. They are probably waiting for more drones.





I can safely describe the situation at R3 as a nuclear excursion in the reactor core....

Right now at Fukushima Daiichi. More than 70,000 long tons of highly radioactive 'stagnant' water is sitting in the turbine rooms of Reactors 1, 2 and 3, all dressed up and nowhere to go except the ocean - where it is being quietly dumped.

White smoke is still emitting from reactors 2,3 and 4.

The temperatures in reactors 1, 2 and 3 remain above cold shutdown conditions BECAUSE YOU CANNOT GET COLD SHUTDOWN AFTER THE FUEL RODS MELT TOGETHER! EVER!

Nitrogen is still being injected into the containment vessel of Reactor 1 faster than it can leak out the bottom. The containment is breached...as in BROKEN.

I believe another explosion is imminent at Reactor 1.

The reactor containment vessels of reactors 2 and 3 are still at atmospheric pressure BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL BREACHED!

[Horn]

New type of Fukushima forecast shows radioactive Cesium, Iodine over large sections of U.S. and Canada (VIDEOS)

http://enenews.com/new-type-fukushima-forecast-shows-cesium-iodine-clouds-canada-april-25-videos

[SLV^GLD]

New type of Fukushima forecast shows radioactive Cesium, Iodine over large sections of U.S. and Canada (VIDEOS)

http://enenews.com/new-type-fukushima-forecast-shows-cesium-iodine-clouds-canada-april-25-videos
Damn the whole state of CA gets whacked at the tail end of the I-131 video.

[gunDriller]

I also spent some time learning how to deliberately add CO2 to Enclosed Hydroponic planted garden items. She quizzed me pretty hard about that, and wondered why it was such a big deal since we humans exhale CO2 all the time. Smart aleck that I am, I tried to enlist her for the graveyard 11 to 7 shift of direct exhaling through a straw aimed in rotation at the fledgling plants on the come. She didn't think that was funny at all.

Ever see an older woman stick her tongue out at you? It's a shocker I tell you. :taunt:

beefsteak



fermentation or farm animals.

fermentation -
5 gallon bucket
2 gallons warm water
2 or 2 1/2 pounds sugar
3 heaping tablespoons active dry yeast
1 half-package champagne yeast (keeps the reaction going when the alcohol content gets higher)

it will fizz like crazy for 3 or 4 days. all those bubbles are CO2. i believe the way the math works out is, you get about as much CO2 out as the weight of sugar you put in.

the end result, non-fizzy sugar water with a high alcohol content, has a number of uses.

[beefsteak]

I also spent some time learning how to deliberately add CO2 to Enclosed Hydroponic planted garden items. She quizzed me pretty hard about that, and wondered why it was such a big deal since we humans exhale CO2 all the time. Smart aleck that I am, I tried to enlist her for the graveyard 11 to 7 shift of direct exhaling through a straw aimed in rotation at the fledgling plants on the come. She didn't think that was funny at all.

Ever see an older woman stick her tongue out at you? It's a shocker I tell you. :taunt:

beefsteak



fermentation or farm animals.

fermentation -
5 gallon bucket
2 gallons warm water
2 or 2 1/2 pounds sugar
3 heaping tablespoons active dry yeast
1 half-package champagne yeast (keeps the reaction going when the alcohol content gets higher)

it will fizz like crazy for 3 or 4 days. all those bubbles are CO2. i believe the way the math works out is, you get about as much CO2 out as the weight of sugar you put in.

the end result, non-fizzy sugar water with a high alcohol content, has a number of uses.


Hey, great sense of humor there "...non-fizzy sugar water with high alcohol content has a number of uses...." :D

Here's a suggestion someone sent me via email, one that looks to be lower cost, since it only involves 2 raw materials: acetic acid and NaHCO3, both available at the grocery store. Also, a higher cost methodology was also presented. So, now, thanks to you, we have 4 choices. (Farm animals are not feasible to add to the hydro-garden mix this year.) The low cost way presented below was offered as a way to have more control the CO2 reaction over a longer period of time. That also appeals to me. Fortunately, in our transition hydro-garden efforts this season, we get to learn our newby lessons on smaller square footage, which will be more easily "be contained." and we'll concentrate the big green leafy plants to that enclosed area. Here's the pertinent part of the email msg:


A much simpler method is to build a drip system that allows a weak acid such as a cheap 5% vinegar to drip into an elevated bowl containing NaHCO3. (baking soda.)

A small hydroponic green house can generate enough CO2 for several days operation from about
1/2 pound of bicarbonate and about 1-1/2 gallons of acid solution.

Any CO2 system in an unsealed hydro operation is of no value if the CO2 cannot be contained.

Big outfits burn fossil fuels for their CO2 generating, torquing big time the Greenies. This includes burning propane or natural gas.
Rule of thumb is 3# CO2 will be generated for each lb. gas burned.

I'm thinking drip irrigation section of the hardware store right now for some barbed insert fittings. Need to see if they can stand up to acetic acid flow and drip. This transition stuff and all these experimentations to find workable answer are sure a costly proposition! May have to grab some of my friend's "used" oxygen tank hose. He has what seems like miles of it laying around in his shed. (He fell overboard in the Bering Straits several years ago when employed as a commercial fisherman. That really did a number on his lungs...after he was pulled to safety and brought back to life.) Jack's been a good buddy, and I'm sure I can get some from his stash. Jack's kind of like me, he HATES to throw anything away that looks remotely like hose. That reminds me...I have an old peristaltic pump I'm not using right now...that would help meter out the generated CO2 even more. hmmmmm....wheels turning again.

THANKS again, Gunny. I always like to have options. Just something about freedom of choice that rubs me the right way, y'know? (PS...Now you have me wondering if home-brew hobbiests in the beer and wine maker genre face having to pay carbon taxes under BHO's ridiculous schemes dead ahead?)

[beefsteak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZmmSSwtuS0


Thank you so much for posting this! I took some notes on it:

Radiation hormesis (also called radiation homeostatis) is the hypothesis that chronic low doses of ionizing radiation (in addition to the natural background doses) are beneficial, stimulating hypothetical reserve repair mechanisms that protect against disease, but are not activated in absence of additional iodizing radiation. The reserve repair mechanisms are hypothesized to be sufficiently effective when stimulated as to not only cancel the detrimental effects of extra ionizing radiation but also protect from other damage (see hormesis). This counter-intuitive hypothesis has captured the attention of scientists and public alike in recent years.

Radiation exposure can cause hardening of the arteries, heart attack, stroke. People can die from this, and their death will not be connected to radiation poisoning.

17:28: Dr. Blaylock talks about what to eat and take to protect your body from radiation damage:

Flavonoids in fruits and vegetables

Garlic

Ginkgo Biloba

Ginger protects against gamma radiation, the most damaging kind

http://i55.tinypic.com/ev9xdt.gif


Curcumin extract (Turmeric)

alpha lipoic acid

quercetin

Pomegranate extract

Resveratrol 200mg twice a day

Hesperidin 6 grams a day protects DNA from radiation damage

Curcumin and quercetin are more protective than vitamins C and E

Nano-sized metal particles are dangerous

Radiation exposure from a body scan is fairly evenly distributed; consuming it concentrates it in organs and in bones, near bone marrow.

Nuclear Sunrise, Dr. Blaylock's eBook

You can get it from his site:

http://www.blaylockwellnesscenter.com (page 2. It's ten dollars)


THANKS, LAPIS!
Good Job. And especially that chart showing radioactive penetration of various shielding substances. GOOD STUFF

beefsteak

[gunDriller]

THANKS again, Gunny. I always like to have options. Just something about freedom of choice that rubs me the right way, y'know? (PS...Now you have me wondering if home-brew hobbiests in the beer and wine maker genre face having to pay carbon taxes under BHO's ridiculous schemes dead ahead?)

my pleasure - i love talking about Farm-y stuff !

can we talk about manure ?

and to think when i was a young engineer in Silicon Valley - i was a snob - i looked down on the Aggies (ag. engineers). now i am an Aggie (without the degree, but i guess experience counts.)

one other source of CO2 is - well, any animal. a few rats in a cage - very low-cost, they eat food scraps, they multiply naturally, and it's not a huge heart-break if you end up with too much CO2 and have to let them go.

as far as BHO horning in on the action - i purposely did not mention distillation of the fizzy sugar-water alcohol sludge. because the ATF has been horning in on that action for a long time.

the US gov. gets nervous when you talk about the details of distillation. personally i think it's covered in that part of the Declaration of Independence that talks about "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." one would think that creating a fuel such as ethanol - that a car can run on - would fall exactly in that category. but talk about the details publicly - oh my Gosh.


and also along those lines - i'm thinking about buying a goat, so i would like to try some goat's milk. should be easy, right ?

not any more ! i saw an ad on Craigslist for it, and the goat-milk-man is obviously real concerned about the US gov. he was very specific, "not for human consumption".

that kind of fuel - human fuel - it is now illegal to sell, because of a law that Obama did pass - the oxymoronically named "Food Safety Act."

Obama and Elena Kagan are protecting us.

[Serpo]

A radioactive isotope of strontium has been detected in American milk for the first time since Japan’s nuclear disaster—in a sample from Hilo, Hawaii—the Environmental Protection Agency revealed yesterday. [...]

EPA found 1.4 picoCuries per liter of strontium-89 in a milk sample collected in Hilo on April 4. [...]

The EPA’s Maximum Contamination Level for Sr-89 in drinking water is 20 pCi/L. …

The two man-made isotopes of strontium—Sr-89 and Sr-90—are among the most dangerous products of nuclear fission to human and animal health. Both are “bone-seekers,” chemically similar to calcium, that collect in bone and marrow, where they are known to cause cancer. They are particularly dangerous to the growing bones of fetuses and children. [...]

Read the report here.http://enenews.com/radioactive-strontium-found-in-hawaii-milk

[Serpo]

TEPCO says water 'may' be leaking from Fukushima spent fuel pool
The operator of the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant says water may be leaking from the spent fuel pool of the No. 4 reactor. More than 1,500 spent fuel rods are stored in the pool, the largest number at the site.

Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, has been injecting water daily into the pool to make up for the loss of cooling function and prevent the fuel rods from being exposed and further damaged. The company found that water levels in the pool were 10 to 40 centimeters lower than expected despite the water injections.

TEPCO has poured in 140 to 210 tons of water over each of the last few days.

The walls of the reactor building supporting the pool were severely damaged by a hydrogen explosion last month. TEPCO says the pool may have been damaged by the blast as well.

According to a schedule announced earlier on containing the ongoing emergency, TEPCO plans to install concrete pillars to support the fuel pool by around July to increase its earthquake resistance.

http://newsonjapan.com/html/newsdesk/article/89280.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgGBfCTZi_s&feature=player_embedded#at=40

[beefsteak]

Lost in Govt Censorship Archive APRIL 7th EVENT; reported published April 15, buried in Govt Censorship order to website owners to pull stories, blogs, photos April 19!!!...ONAGAWA, Japan NUKE Reactor site:

http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/beefsteak_GIM/OnagawaNuclearPlantstressedbeyondspecs.jpg

Looking for rest of article story now. Be my luck it is in Japanese.



Friday, April 15, 2011

Onagawa nuke plant jolted beyond specs
April aftershock had upward acceleration far above design
Kyodo, Bloomberg

The No. 1 reactor of the Onagawa nuclear power plant in Miyagi Prefecture on April 7 sustained a jolt greater than what it was designed to withstand during a strong aftershock from the powerful March 11 earthquake, according to nuclear safety officials.

Faulty foundation: The discovery of this huge crack Wednesday in a school playground has halted construction of temporary housing for tsunami survivors in Onagawa, Miyagi Prefecture. KYODO PHOTO (SEE ABOVE)

The finding raises further doubts about the viability of the assumed quake resistance at the Tohoku Electric Power Co. (a.k.a., TEPCO) complex, even though it was shut down safely after the deadly quake last month.

The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency has instructed the regional utility serving northeastern Japan to analyze the impact of such a jolt on key facilities at the three-reactor plant, the officials said.

During the aftershock, the biggest after March 11, measuring upper 6 in Miyagi on the Japanese seismic scale to 7, a seismometer at the building housing the No. 1 reactor registered a quake acceleration of 476.3 gal vertically, against the 451 gal assumed for the facility. A gal is a unit of gravitational acceleration equal to 1 cm per second per second.

The assumed level of the jolt "shouldn't be exceeded in principle," said agency spokesman Hidehiko Nishiyama. "While I intuitively think that if it is this much, it shouldn't be a cause for concern, but we still have to evaluate its safety."

None of the reactors at the plant was operating when the aftershock struck. But as a result of the temblor, the plant lost part of its external power supply and saw a cooling system for pools storing spent nuclear fuel briefly lose power.

Both the troubled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant in Fukushima Prefecture and the Onagawa plant were hit by the March 11 quake and tsunami, but the latter has been largely under control with its key cooling functions intact.

The aftershocks rattling Japan since the record quake may continue for at least six months, experts say.

"Aftershocks as big as magnitude 7 are likely to continue hitting in eastern and northern Japan for at least six months," said Teruyuki Kato, a professor at the University of Tokyo's Earthquake Research Institute, on Thursday.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110415n1.html

Two troubling thoughts:
1) Noticed more archane lingo/bafflegarb foisted upon the reader in first highlighted portion above.

2) Japan doesn't measure in Richter??? SINCE WHEN? Since they need to show "lower numbers" to not awake their own or the world's sheeple?

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Serpo posted above:

"........... According to a schedule announced earlier on containing the ongoing emergency, TEPCO plans to install concrete pillars to support the fuel pool by around July to increase its earthquake resistance."

If they can get close enough to "form up and pour pillars," then I warrant they can get close enough to DROP SAND AND CONCRETE AND BURY THE DARNED THINGS===BEFORE "around July."

It just hit me....could they be referring to a different "around July" than the inferred "July 2011?" Saint's preserve us, as my Mother--may she rest in peace--always exclaimed.

Any wagers??

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Anyone else noticing it is an effort these 7 weeks later to keep this disaster and personal responsibility/mitigations type response to it "right sized" now some 7 weeks later?

For example,
1) dreading or still regularly checking Radiation Network readings
2) searching for Jet stream maps projected, vs comparing jet stream maps analysis from yesterday or day before.
3) Surfing Japan news agencies for updates
4) Following through on pre-3/11 food searching
5) Following through on indoor gardening and other food do-it-oneself responses?
6) Dietary changes
7) Supplemental increases
8 ) Diverting additional financial resources to more preps than were "scheduled"
9) Breathing and Rain protection being as normal as wearing sunglass are this time of year?
10) Out door pet care modifications
11) Reduced amount of discussion time with those in our intimated circle of loved ones, and feel like one is "going it alone" pretty much?
12) Gotten any water testing kits or R.O. units or Distillers purchase or installed?
13) Decided about lawn maintenance this season and kicking up the radioactive IODINE, CESIUM, Strontium etc sitting right on top of the grass and ready to cling to lungs, eyes, and clothing as it's flung around during that CHORE!

Anyone? Any ideas how others are right sizing this?

beefsteak

P.S...the wife made cornbread today with the new powdered eggs. The cornbread wasn't nearly as flat as she normal serves it as. Actually swears she didn't do anything different except using the powdered eggs. hmmm

[Mouse]

Burning wood is an excellent source of Co2. Stove in your greenhouse, or coals in the greenhouse to keep it warm in winter is Co2.....

Thinking about building, doing my research.

[Glass]

Burning wood is an excellent source of Co2. Stove in your greenhouse, or coals in the greenhouse to keep it warm in winter is Co2.....

Thinking about building, doing my research.


Is it carbon monoxide or carbon dioxide you are after?

It seems to me that some of the best repositories for information related to what you guys are doing would be some forums that deal in certain indoor activities specific to a particular type of plant. I would anticipate that there might be many many posts related to the various aspects of hydroponic growing and also some good analysis of new technologies and techniques as well as the tried and tested ones.

[gunDriller]

Anyone else noticing it is an effort these 7 weeks later to keep this disaster and personal responsibility/mitigations type response to it "right sized" now some 7 weeks later?

For example,
1) dreading or still regularly checking Radiation Network readings
2) searching for Jet stream maps projected, vs comparing jet stream maps analysis from yesterday or day before.
3) Surfing Japan news agencies for updates
4) Following through on pre-3/11 food searching
5) Following through on indoor gardening and other food do-it-oneself responses?
6) Dietary changes
7) Supplemental increases
8 ) Diverting additional financial resources to more preps than were "scheduled"
9) Breathing and Rain protection being as normal as wearing sunglass are this time of year?
10) Out door pet care modifications
11) Reduced amount of discussion time with those in our intimated circle of loved ones, and feel like one is "going it alone" pretty much?
12) Gotten any water testing kits or R.O. units or Distillers purchase or installed?
13) Decided about lawn maintenance this season and kicking up the radioactive IODINE, CESIUM, Strontium etc sitting right on top of the grass and ready to cling to lungs, eyes, and clothing as it's flung around during that CHORE!

Anyone? Any ideas how others are right sizing this?

beefsteak

P.S...the wife made cornbread today with the new powdered eggs. The cornbread wasn't nearly as flat as she normal serves it as. Actually swears she didn't do anything different except using the powdered eggs. hmmm


never heard anybody rave about powdered eggs. i'm still working on finding dry lowfat milk - or is all dry milk non-fat ?

as far as the Japan incident - as Chris Martenson noted in his epistle a few weeks ago, he had not had time to process all the information.

as other people have noted about preparation for economic collapse/ transition - it is normal to feel like you're not doing enough.

although i read the articles, some of them, it is hard to keep up. i feel like it (the Japan situation) has been "getting better" the last week, but i know that's most likely because i've been focussed on other things. also because we haven't heard any stories about them using paper mache to plug holes for a few weeks.


the one thing i am concentrating on is keeping food plants out of the rain. also stocking up on food. and acquiring the parts so i can have a uninterruptible power supply for my fridge (got a marine battery yesterday for $20 and a battery charger for $25 !)

a marine battery is like a car battery, but this one has a handle, and might be a little heavier.

the "battery pro" that i have met is "Gene", who ran Gateway electronics in San Diego about 15 years ago. i worked for a UPS manufacturer, and would occasionally find a pallet of sealed lead-acid batteries by the dumpster, which i would then drive over to Gene's place to convert into cash. he shared his battery-charging technique - said he would "burp" the batteries - for example, charging at 12 volts, then hitting it with 13 volts, then letting it rest, then repeating the cycle.

i was going to hook a meter up to the battery charger to see how it charges a 12 volt car or boat battery.


i've been wanting to stock up on dairy perishables like yogurt, but knowing that one power outage can ruin my plans in that department, i thought i should make provisions to keep the fridge running if the power goes out.

wouldn't want that dead skunk to thaw out ! ;D

[Cobalt]

the one thing i am concentrating on is keeping food plants out of the rain. also stocking up on food. and acquiring the parts so i can have a uninterruptible power supply for my fridge (got a marine battery yesterday for $20 and a battery charger for $25 !)

a marine battery is like a car battery, but this one has a handle, and might be a little heavier.

the "battery pro" that i have met is "Gene", who ran Gateway electronics in San Diego about 15 years ago. i worked for a UPS manufacturer, and would occasionally find a pallet of sealed lead-acid batteries by the dumpster, which i would then drive over to Gene's place to convert into cash. he shared his battery-charging technique - said he would "burp" the batteries - for example, charging at 12 volts, then hitting it with 13 volts, then letting it rest, then repeating the cycle.

i was going to hook a meter up to the battery charger to see how it charges a 12 volt car or boat battery.


i've been wanting to stock up on dairy perishables like yogurt, but knowing that one power outage can ruin my plans in that department, i thought i should make provisions to keep the fridge running if the power goes out.

wouldn't want that dead skunk to thaw out ! ;D


12 volt batteries won't achieve a full charge @ 13 volts, it needs 14.1 volts.

I was on an expedition vehicle board for a couple years and all the guys that built solar charges showed that unless your charge controller is regulated too 14.1 volts you will never completely top off a battery.

That is probably the reason the digital readout on my Toyota shows the charge rate varies between 13.8 to 14.1

[beefsteak]

Anyone else noticing it is an effort these 7 weeks later to keep this disaster and personal responsibility/mitigations type response to it "right sized" now some 7 weeks later?

For example,
1) dreading or still regularly checking Radiation Network readings
2) searching for Jet stream maps projected, vs comparing jet stream maps analysis from yesterday or day before.
3) Surfing Japan news agencies for updates
4) Following through on pre-3/11 food searching
5) Following through on indoor gardening and other food do-it-oneself responses?
6) Dietary changes
7) Supplemental increases
8 ) Diverting additional financial resources to more preps than were "scheduled"
9) Breathing and Rain protection being as normal as wearing sunglass are this time of year?
10) Out door pet care modifications
11) Reduced amount of discussion time with those in our intimated circle of loved ones, and feel like one is "going it alone" pretty much?
12) Gotten any water testing kits or R.O. units or Distillers purchase or installed?
13) Decided about lawn maintenance this season and kicking up the radioactive IODINE, CESIUM, Strontium etc sitting right on top of the grass and ready to cling to lungs, eyes, and clothing as it's flung around during that CHORE!

Anyone? Any ideas how others are right sizing this?

beefsteak

P.S...the wife made cornbread today with the new powdered eggs. The cornbread wasn't nearly as flat as she normal serves it as. Actually swears she didn't do anything different except using the powdered eggs. hmmm


never heard anybody rave about powdered eggs. i'm still working on finding dry lowfat milk - or is all dry milk non-fat ?

as far as the Japan incident - as Chris Martenson noted in his epistle a few weeks ago, he had not had time to process all the information.

as other people have noted about preparation for economic collapse/ transition - it is normal to feel like you're not doing enough.

although i read the articles, some of them, it is hard to keep up. i feel like it (the Japan situation) has been "getting better" the last week, but i know that's most likely because i've been focussed on other things. also because we haven't heard any stories about them using paper mache to plug holes for a few weeks.


the one thing i am concentrating on is keeping food plants out of the rain. also stocking up on food. and acquiring the parts so i can have a uninterruptible power supply for my fridge (got a marine battery yesterday for $20 and a battery charger for $25 !)

a marine battery is like a car battery, but this one has a handle, and might be a little heavier.

the "battery pro" that i have met is "Gene", who ran Gateway electronics in San Diego about 15 years ago. i worked for a UPS manufacturer, and would occasionally find a pallet of sealed lead-acid batteries by the dumpster, which i would then drive over to Gene's place to convert into cash. he shared his battery-charging technique - said he would "burp" the batteries - for example, charging at 12 volts, then hitting it with 13 volts, then letting it rest, then repeating the cycle.

i was going to hook a meter up to the battery charger to see how it charges a 12 volt car or boat battery.


i've been wanting to stock up on dairy perishables like yogurt, but knowing that one power outage can ruin my plans in that department, i thought i should make provisions to keep the fridge running if the power goes out.

wouldn't want that dead skunk to thaw out ! ;D


Gunny,
The wife asked me to assure you she's found both whole pwdr/dried milk and non-fat pwdr dried milk available, so it is out there. Have you googled?

Thanks for mentioning refrigeration challenges. Almost a dozen years ago, we acquired our generator for
that purpose. And 7 years ago, I got tired of pulling the cord on it and had it converted to an electric start for about a hundred bucks. (The local, established lawnmower refurb guy had the parts and the conversion gear on hand and didn't have to order it in, so that is why it was so reasonable in cost and labor.) Hope you get your fridge prob. fix to your liking. Good thinking.

The hooking up a meter is a good idea. I found it is basically a glorified trickle charger, unless I have it on the "boost" setting. Was very happy to learn about the burping technique and the "overcharge" 14.+ volt fully charged/top-off charge level. That I had not run across yet. THANKS!

Feels weird to keep plants out of the rain.

And as far as "processing information," the only ways I know to do that is to focus on what I didn't know about nuke, what I learned, the difference of external remediation and then ingested remediation nutritionally,
and immediately extrapolate that by learning and changing. It was hard getting into the stash for both me and the Mrs. since on the outside, life seems to go on as normal...it's just poisoned air, water, fish, food, and milk afterall...you know...the little things...who needs those, right? How easily TPTB can lull the majority back to sleep, yes?

Thanks for your reply, Gunny. Helped me with my "check up list..." You brought to the forefront mentally, that I need to check the generator fuel level and make sure it is empty, and the gas onhand, "fresh" to start it up again, even with the new fangled electric start...(I use one of the little 12v batteries that one can find in the hardware store.)

Glass,
it is CO2, that would be DIOXIDE form of carbon offgassing...that 2 beside the O for oxygen means 2 or "Di-...." in the "chemistry shorthand." The "O" only with no valence number would be the "monoxide form/shorthand" indicator.

While I agree with the "best source of info," If you run across something, shoot us a message here with a link. We'll find it, and I for one will sure be checking it out.

I'm short on time and absolutely hate "breaking in or INTO a new group"...b/c there are the know it all's, and the genuinely helpful and the duhduhs who just like to hear themselves talk, or mouth off with absurd comments to draw attention to themselves. Haven't got time to play the games of "get myself established as serious and want serious answers."

ENDURING the customary, human psychology "New Group Dynamics" rigamarole is a PIA when one is focused and trying to get things done. New groupies and group mates are "easily offended" and put off by hyper-focus, on the net as well as in "real life." SUCKS! The group here on this GS-US is AMAZING. Quite a family here. For example, look at the nifty info that was just shared by Gunny and Responses, especially Cobalt's wrt. 12v batteries. These guys and gals, they "know me" and I, them.

This already done all that "group dynamics/break-in dynamic" makes it easier to sort the sheeple from the goat-getters to paraphrase, and drill down I think is the new buzz phrase to real answers and help, like Serpo and Antonio and Solid, and Gunny, and Woodman, and Cobalt, and Lapis, Glass, and Horn, and and and so many many other in these thousands of views and posts on this fine forum provides. Time is of the essence in this NUKED mitigation/remediation response to and in reality being nuked so severely due to Fukushima, and now Onagawa's Reactor that is being covered up as well as what is going on in 5 and 6 at Dia-ichi.

Frankly, I rarely have encountered in my decades of life such urgency to get'er done already. It's like when the wife would call out to me, ".....it's time!!!" And I knew it was grab the overnight bag, and her in that order, and get to the hospital because her water broke. Well, Fukushima's WATER BROKE, both literally and figuratively, y'know...

Thanks, Mouse, for sharing where your head is at. I'll admit it was easier for me to to "buy the hydroponics parts and heirloom seeds, and net pots, and vinegar/NaHCO3 parts" than it is to assemble them and modify the outbuilding where the hydroponics is currently underway. The carpenter finally left yesterday after getting all the cracks sealed and exterior integrity restored. THAT took 3 weeks around here, with him only coming 1x per week...his schedule, not mine.. I wanted it done YSTDY! -ng-

I'll be posting later today, some new stuff from The Former Head of Japan's Nuke agency. His blog was obviously bleeped and closed down due to the Govt order on the 19th to get this story off the front pages, including the internet. Suddenly, yesterday, about 8 of them suddenly appeared in his customary date order with the first 3 or so being redacted/removed. Evidently the old boy still has some clout with current govt b/c he's again singing like a canary, even though he's been moved to the "back row of the choir" in order to sing out loudly and strong. This topic is certainly still front and center to him. Japan and the rest of the planet owes this guy a debt of gratitude for singing at all, let alone such didactic and grating on governmental ears' tones.

It has crossed my mind many times that those who believe in the power of prayer and the prayers of protect from both the saints and the not so saintly ones, are obviously plying their "trade" or is it "tirade" in behalf of the Busby's, Saji's, Shimatsu's, Blaylocks, and other esteemed truth tellers. We desparately need them. Always wondered why the Bible spoke to their only being a "remnant when Christ returns..." living through this post 3/11 Nuke event certainly has answered that question for me from decades past....it's just easier to go back to sleep, just like Peter did in the Garden.....

Really sobering stuff to contemplate while assembling transition hydroponics, and waiting on carpenters, etc.

I have to asked myself, if I'm really "hyper focused" or just focused for me and the wife, and the kids, and the grandkids, and the surviving siblings, and the nieces, and the nephews. It kinda sucks being "alone" in the focus department with the exception of the dear wife!!!

beefsteak

[Serpo]

Wont see Antonio for 2 weeks as he was banned.

[sirgonzo420]

Wont see Antonio for 2 weeks as he was banned.


What for?

[ximmy]

Wont see Antonio for 2 weeks as he was banned.


What for?


...It was just time again... perhaps slightly past due... He'll be back soon...

[beefsteak]

gunny and all,
here's where my wife said she got ours which I like the best, and it's non fat.

EDIT ON:
URL REMOVED: Just Confirmed by phone...this is "manufactured elsewhere" and POST FUKUSHIMA RADIATED MILK. Had to drag it out of the gatekeeper ORDER DESK young lady, and got quite the brush off.

Do NOT purchases BARRY FARMS milk products, not if you are wanting to avoid I-131, Strontium, Cesium and the other nasties currently in milk and milk products in this land. [EDIT OFF]

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Sorry to hear that about Antonio being banned stuff. Wondered why I hadn't seen him around here for a few days. I miss his valuable input on this thread!

I'm sure a LOT of stuff has come up for him wrt. this being nuke'd thing he's experiencing for the second time in his relatively younger life. It's can't be easy being a proud Russian and hanging out here on GS-US I would guess.

[Horn]

Currently I'm trying to quit smoking, and sex. Neither of which is going too well.

So it may just come down to me taking a trip to Argentina and looking for a monastery that'll take me in as LS suggested.

[Large Sarge]

Currently I'm trying to quit smoking, and sex. Neither of which is going too well.

So it may just come down to me taking a trip to Argentina and looking for a monastery that'll take me in as LS suggested.


Hey man,

Quit smoking....

don't give up the sex.....


join the monastery when you are about 75 or so, and you have "wore out" all the local girls....

;)

have fun with the ladies (as long as you are single), but smoking is bad news......

[Large Sarge]

oh and I am looking into paraguay as well as argentina....

paraguay is very inexpensive......

[sirgonzo420]

oh and I am looking into paraguay as well as argentina....

paraguay is very inexpensive......




You could party with the Bushes!

lol

I'm sure they're prepping some good blow.

[Large Sarge]

oh and I am looking into paraguay as well as argentina....

paraguay is very inexpensive......




You could party with the Bushes!

lol

I'm sure they're prepping some good blow.


paraguay has a lot going for it, except the Bushes that is....

demographics are good, low population, cheap land, pretty good amount of water/ nat resources, actually export energy (hyroelectric) to neighboring countries, etc

and citizenship is pretty "easy-cheesy" (just some cash and time in country)


lot of pluses there

[beefsteak]

gunny and all,
here's where my wife said she got ours which I like the best, and it's non fat.

EDIT ON:
URL REMOVED: Just Confirmed by phone...this is "manufactured elsewhere" and POST FUKUSHIMA RADIATED MILK. Had to drag it out of the gatekeeper ORDER DESK young lady, and got quite the brush off.

Do NOT purchases BARRY FARMS milk products, not if you are wanting to avoid I-131, Strontium, Cesium and the other nasties currently in milk and milk products in this land. [EDIT OFF]

beefsteak


I'm sorry, Gunny, but in good conscience I had to remove the URL where my wife bought the non-fat powdered milk I just recommended above because of its very acceptable taste and texture. May I share what just happened to me, in order to let you know how I found out the above information?

First of all, I'm now back FIRMLY in "confirm before consume" camp. Here's why.

I decided to use the now UNrecommended pwdr milk this morning, for my cereal. It was a new experiment, since I'd used up the old pwdered milk pkg from our pre-Fuku. stash, which I was combining with Evaporated
Milk, and added vanilla if anyone recalls that early post of mine.

Well, I used a 1/3 cup of this "now removed from stash" radiated milk on my cereal BEFORE I called and checked up on the MISSING product prepped and packaged date on the laser printed sticky label by the RE-PACKAGER named above.

THEN I picked up the phone, thinking that the date I ordered through eBay I assumed was close enough to the 11th of March that I had the "PRE-Fukushima" pwdered milk.

I DIDN'T and I don't. AND I was asking that question over the phone to a very reluctant and rather brusque and mouthy gatekeeper from Barry Farm's receptionist/order taker female employee.

I"ll be back with more of the story...as in what I did about my ingested poisoning this morning, both the personal assault I felt by having injested bad milk, and what I've been doing since breakfast to reduce the impact...AND NO I DIDN'T VOMIT. That is NOT an option for some people, in case that isn't common knowledge.

I'll gather my wits and coming back here to rat out my self-betrayal after 7 weeks of intense focus and effort to be alert and protect others AND myself.

DAMN IT!!!

[Serpo]

Wont see Antonio for 2 weeks as he was banned.


What for?


Saying f--- off to some one that baited him fierce.

[Serpo]

oh and I am looking into paraguay as well as argentina....

paraguay is very inexpensive......




You could party with the Bushes!

lol

I'm sure they're prepping some good blow.


paraguay has a lot going for it, except the Bushes that is....

demographics are good, low population, cheap land, pretty good amount of water/ nat resources, actually export energy (hyroelectric) to neighboring countries, etc

and citizenship is pretty "easy-cheesy" (just some cash and time in country)


lot of pluses there




What about Ecuador

[gunDriller]

Gunny,
The wife asked me to assure you she's found both whole pwdr/dried milk and non-fat pwdr dried milk available, so it is out there. Have you googled?

Thanks for mentioning refrigeration challenges. Almost a dozen years ago, we acquired our generator for
that purpose. And 7 years ago, I got tired of pulling the cord on it and had it converted to an electric start for about a hundred bucks. (The local, established lawnmower refurb guy had the parts and the conversion gear on hand and didn't have to order it in, so that is why it was so reasonable in cost and labor.) Hope you get your fridge prob. fix to your liking. Good thinking.

The hooking up a meter is a good idea. I found it is basically a glorified trickle charger, unless I have it on the "boost" setting. Was very happy to learn about the burping technique and the "overcharge" 14.+ volt fully charged/top-off charge level. That I had not run across yet. THANKS!

Feels weird to keep plants out of the rain.


it sure does, at first. i think a workable compromise is to let them keep breathing the same air, even though there is a little radiation dust in it.

of course, if any of us gets a teeny microgram of plutonium in us - game over. courtesy of the Nuclear Cartel & the face-saving managers of TEPCo. along with whatever other skullduggery we may not yet be aware of.

on the generator front, i am interested in learning more about diesel generators. i got a diesel Mercedes, and it runs fine on biodiesel - i know some guys that run theirs on straight vegetable oil (SVO) in the summer. that way, you have the liberty to grow the feed-stock for the fuel - peanuts, sunflowers, even pumpkins, though pumpkin seed oil i think needs a little more processing than the others.

i've hear biodiesel'ers talk about 4 things to convert SVO to biodiesel -
* remove water
* filtration - remove bugs & seeds & crap so that you car's fuel filter doesn't end up with it.
* adjust pH - easy.
* "Trans-esterification". this has something to do with glyerin, which is related to making soap from fat.

but i would not say that technology has advanced if our machines are so sensitive to fuel they can't run on straight filtered properly dried peanut oil, which is what Rudolf Diesel used in his lab.

peanut oil has a lot more energy per gallon than sunflower oil. i bought 4 pounds of raw peanuts hoping that they will sprout.


the primary extraction technique is shown here -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuLJoAYX2WM

it's just a simple worm gear. that crushes the sunflower seeds in that case, that one is made for chefs.

you can buy the industrial version, for fuel production, it's about $8000.








oh and I am looking into paraguay as well as argentina....

paraguay is very inexpensive......


You could party with the Bushes!

lol

I'm sure they're prepping some good blow.


paraguay has a lot going for it, except the Bushes that is....

demographics are good, low population, cheap land, pretty good amount of water/ nat resources, actually export energy (hyroelectric) to neighboring countries, etc

and citizenship is pretty "easy-cheesy" (just some cash and time in country)

lot of pluses there


the Bushes control a foundation which purchased the Guarani aquifer - they literally own 1/3 of the water supply of Paraguay, and they own possibly the majority of the radiation free water in Paraguay.

i wonder how much of that is good planning, how much is luck, and how much is related to their Talmud-worshipping nature.

the government in Paraguay is very US-compliant. that can be helpful if you are an American ex-pat living in Paraguay. personally i would like to see the people of Paraguay rise up and take control of their own water, i.e., take it back from the Bushes.


for the rest of us that don't own our own personal private aquifers, we are left with wells, rainwater catchment, and municipal water. obviously it is good to have 100 feet of gravel, clay, and rock between your water supply and the radiation rain.

i think the general public is catching on much faster than the US government is admitting. the total disappearance of Potassium Iodide from retail shelves being one example. i think a radiation detector that can detect radiation in water would be very marketable. i'm not sure if it's as simple as buying a Geiger counter from RadiationGuy.com, though that is a good place to start.

i think the radiation rain will be geographically random - more intense in some places, virtually non-existent in others. the way some sheep pastures in Scotland got nuked by Chernobyl but neighboring pastures were less nuked.


so if we apply this to the water & milk situation, it might be best to buy milk from multiple sources. there is actually a date code on, for example, Great Value evaporated milk -
http://oi53.tinypic.com/6susn8.jpg

that's Carnation on the left, Great Value on the right. purchased last week, the week ending on Good Friday. maybe Carnation or Walmart would be so kind as to explain their date code.

i think the best we can do is to buy a case here and a case there until we have sufficient individual supplies to last a few years, and to focus on producing our own radiation free milk. which i presume comes from an animal fed radiation free water and food, raised in a somewhat enclosed environment. it also means adopting some of the practices of Biosphere 2, which basically means not throwing away radiation free human manure, because it became a valuable feedstock on March 11, 2011.

how to get from human #2 to food that is not just edible but tastes good - doesn't that sound fascinating ! ;D

[Large Sarge]

oh and I am looking into paraguay as well as argentina....

paraguay is very inexpensive......




You could party with the Bushes!

lol

I'm sure they're prepping some good blow.


paraguay has a lot going for it, except the Bushes that is....

demographics are good, low population, cheap land, pretty good amount of water/ nat resources, actually export energy (hyroelectric) to neighboring countries, etc

and citizenship is pretty "easy-cheesy" (just some cash and time in country)


lot of pluses there




What about Ecuador

have not researched ecuador much,

Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay I guess are the tops for S. America (not neccessarily in that order)

one thing if you are serious about this, is to plan on getting 3-4 citizenships

that way if things goto $hit in paraguay, you hop over to argentina, or uruguay....

mostly dfown there citizenship is "cash in a local bank, and sometimes a residence (might only be p.o. box or an apt), and some amount of waiting period.

its really that easy, they want capital infusions.

those are my top picks for now.

[Serpo]

Can buy property and own it in Ecuador

[lapis]

so if we apply this to the water & milk situation, it might be best to buy milk from multiple sources. there is actually a date code on, for example, Great Value evaporated milk -
http://oi53.tinypic.com/6susn8.jpg

So do you think a "best by" date that has the month will be accurate? For instance, if it says "Best by 2/2013," does this necessarily mean that it was manufactured on February of this or last year?

I was at the regular grocery store, and just couldn't bring myself to buy the powdered non-fat milk.

However, I did buy some powdered SACO brand cultured buttermilk blend. The date on the bottom was 11/5/14. I don't know if I'll ever use it, but maybe it will come in handy.

[woodman]

My well is 28 feet deep. I'm wondering if I'm drinking run-off or not. Obviously I don't want to drink any rain water. I don't much care to pay for water either. Maybe time to have a new well sunk.

[beefsteak]

Here's something that twisted my head around...and it wasn't particularly the story, altho' it's definitely related to this thread. Nor is it TPTB MSM that is reporting it, that caused me to do the double-take." The wild part of this news report below, is that it is sourced from AFRICA!!! Now WHY would the MSM go so far to hide a TVA story about USA, storm-troubled/affected nukes in an AFRICA paper? This is just plain over-reaching news manipulation.

Dateline Thursday --AFRICA's THursday which makes this 2 days ago, right?



UPDATE 3-Storms knock out TVA nuclear units, power lines
Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:21am GMT


* Severe storms moving across TVA transmission area

* Rainfall boosts hydro output along Tennessee River

* Nuclear reactors shut after losing outside power (Updates power status at nuclear plant)

HOUSTON, April 27 (Reuters-AFRICA) - Severe storms and tornadoes moving through the U.S. Southeast dealt a severe blow to the Tennessee Valley Authority on Wednesday, causing three nuclear reactors in Alabama to shut and knocking out 11 high-voltage power lines, the utility and regulators said.

Governors in Alabama, Arkansas and Tennessee each declared a state of emergency as more than 20 deaths were blamed on a recurring round of severe storms this week moving eastward across the southern United States. [ID:nN27120833]

All three units at TVA's 3,274-megawatt Browns Ferry nuclear plant in Alabama tripped about 5:30 EDT (2230 GMT) after losing outside power to the plant, a spokesman for the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission said.

A TVA spokeswoman said the station's backup power systems, including diesel generators, started and operated as designed. External power was restored quickly to the plant but diesel generators remained running Wednesday evening, she said.

The Browns Ferry units are among 23 U.S. reactors that are similar in design to the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant in Japan where backup generators were swept away in the tsunami that followed the massive earthquake on March 11.

Browns Ferry output had been reduced earlier in the day due to transmission line damage from a line of severe storms that spawned tornadoes as it moved through Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky and Tennessee.

Details of the transmission outages and co-op power outages were not immediately available.

The government owned corporation said crews were working to make repairs, but the severe weather was forecast to continue into the evening, TVA said in a release.

Most of the damage by Wednesday afternoon occurred in the western part of TVA's service territory in Mississippi, Alabama and western Tennessee and Kentucky.

Cullman Electric Cooperative in Cullman, Alabama, is the only power company directly affected by TVA's transmission outage, TVA said in a statement.

Rainfall amounts between four and seven inches (10-18 cm) have fallen since Tuesday in the area. Eight of the nine dams on the Tennessee River were generating at full power to move water through the river system to help control flooding, TVA said.
http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFN2718319320110428?sp=true
(Reporting by Eileen O'Grady; editing by Marguerita Choy, Andre Grenon and Bernard Orr)




Whoa...did I read that right....the F. reactor b/up gens were WASHED AWAY? That's a whole different storyline, yes? Japan has said "the plugs on the replacements were wrong" and that "they were ruined by flood water, or some such.

But Africa based Reuters tells the truth about what REALLY happened to the Jap. Generators in the flood zone? Were the nuke engineers asleep in class that day when the "worst case scenario exercises" were being brainstormed? ? ? ?

Geeze!

beefsteak

[Mouse]

No offense intended to anyone and this is just my frame of view.

There is NO ESCAPE from the radiation that is being deposited. You can run and hide and build greenhouses and prep old foods and do whatever you want. It doesn't matter. You can't see it, smell it, or taste it. It is going to get into you one way or the other. I wish I could offer you other than a pretty spring strawberry to quench your thirst, but you are going to die, whether from the rad's or the other pollutants, chemtrails or just from natural causes.

To spend your time freeking out about radiation exposure that you cannot control, cannot likely measure, and for all real purposes cannot contain for more than a year or so if you freeeeeeeek the F out now and build all kinds of expensive, and likely useless, containment systems.

You are going to die. Whether it be today or tomorrow, or twenty years ahead. There are more important things to spend your energy on right now.

I will eat all the spinach in my garden. I will eat the strawberries. I will eat the other stuff that's growing. I will eat my chickens and their eggs. I will drink the milk from the farmer up the street. I will eat the beef that people bring me. I will live.

And when I am dead, I will not give a shit about a year or two or twenty spent hiding in a hole in FEAR.

We are all dead. It doesn't matter when. Your faith is the only matter.

Go ahead and slam me, but this insanity over the radiation is just creating more fear. Fear is not the place where you need to be, and fear about radiation will do you no good, because it is or is not here and you can't do shit about it. It will be in your food now, or in a year, or two years or whatever. You cannot run. You cannot hide.

[PatColo]

You cannot run. You cannot hide.



but but, dajooz are!








Re this radiation op, it may or may not be another "dot" to connect, that Rothschild's "Israel" has been de facto colonizing Patagonia and Tasmania for the past decade or so, as de facto "Little Israels". Both are deep in the Southern Hemisphere... ;) ;)

BTW my "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars" is ref to Ch. 1 of William Cooper's 1991 book, "Behold A Pale Horse" (http://gold-silver.us/forum/conspiracy-theories/bill-cooper%27s-%27behold-a-pale-horse%27-pdf/msg44358/#msg44358) (PDF inside).


I searched around in an effort to "source" these claims re Patagonia & Tasmania. Patagonia is easy, Adrian Salbuchi has been vocal on the issue, see:
Argentina: Targeted by World Government – Danger over ‘Patagonia’! (http://www.asalbuchi.com.ar/2010/10/argentina-targeted-by-world-government-danger-over-patagonia/)
I know there are a few MP3-archived Salbuchi interviews with DBS & Rense last year where Patagonia's de facto colonization is the main topic of discussion.

But the Tasmania colonization claim is harder to track down where I originally learned about it, as it's been a few years now. A goog search yielded this,
The plan for a Jewish homeland in Tasmania - The 7.30 Report - ABC (http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2010/s2795292.htm)

otherwise here's a search for "Tasmania zionist Jewish colony",
http://www.google.com/search?q=Tasmania+zionist+Jewish+colony

[Neuro]

Tasmanian devil got competition...
http://ezquara.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Tasmanian-devil-2.jpg

[Large Sarge]

Hey Patcolo,

seem to remember old AJ had some mention of the elites moving to Tasmania awhile back (years ago).

and on the milk issue, might want to temporarily switch to Parmalat (the boxed milk), the expiration dates are months.

of course in time this will be contaminated also.

but you can transition to the powdered milk from parmalat.

[midnight rambler]

you can't do shit about it.

You are mistaken. While you're right about exposure, there IS something one can do about it as pointed out by Dr. Blaylock.

[Horn]

Currently I'm trying to quit smoking, and sex. Neither of which is going too well.

So it may just come down to me taking a trip to Argentina and looking for a monastery that'll take me in as LS suggested.


Hey man,

Quit smoking....

don't give up the sex.....


join the monastery when you are about 75 or so, and you have "wore out" all the local girls....

;)

have fun with the ladies (as long as you are single), but smoking is bad news......



http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/62774/smokingmonkfixed_copy_s2_.jpg

Actually the sex thing was my idea.

Because I believe our vital bodily fluids are being influenced away from us at an alarming rate. ;D

[Horn]

You cannot run. You cannot hide.



but but, dajooz are!








Re this radiation op, it may or may not be another "dot" to connect, that Rothschild's "Israel" has been de facto colonizing Patagonia and Tasmania for the past decade or so, as de facto "Little Israels". Both are deep in the Southern Hemisphere... ;) ;)

BTW my "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars" is ref to Ch. 1 of William Cooper's 1991 book, "Behold A Pale Horse" (http://gold-silver.us/forum/conspiracy-theories/bill-cooper%27s-%27behold-a-pale-horse%27-pdf/msg44358/#msg44358) (PDF inside).


I searched around in an effort to "source" these claims re Patagonia & Tasmania. Patagonia is easy, Adrian Salbuchi has been vocal on the issue, see:
Argentina: Targeted by World Government – Danger over ‘Patagonia’! (http://www.asalbuchi.com.ar/2010/10/argentina-targeted-by-world-government-danger-over-patagonia/)
I know there are a few MP3-archived Salbuchi interviews with DBS & Rense last year where Patagonia's de facto colonization is the main topic of discussion.

But the Tasmania colonization claim is harder to track down where I originally learned about it, as it's been a few years now. A goog search yielded this,
The plan for a Jewish homeland in Tasmania - The 7.30 Report - ABC (http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2010/s2795292.htm)

otherwise here's a search for "Tasmania zionist Jewish colony",
http://www.google.com/search?q=Tasmania+zionist+Jewish+colony



Yes, but it is the front line of the resistance, and believe me they are on to them by now.

Will they live remains to be seen...

[crazychicken]

OH NO!

Real reality, really!

Thanks for the real reality, really, of the situation.

Just like being in the cross hair of a sniper. You can run, and can't hide. If you run you will just die tired.

There really isn't much sense in taking life too seriously, no one is getting out of here alive anyway.

CC




No offense intended to anyone and this is just my frame of view.

There is NO ESCAPE from the radiation that is being deposited. You can run and hide and build greenhouses and prep old foods and do whatever you want. It doesn't matter. You can't see it, smell it, or taste it. It is going to get into you one way or the other. I wish I could offer you other than a pretty spring strawberry to quench your thirst, but you are going to die, whether from the rad's or the other pollutants, chemtrails or just from natural causes.

To spend your time freeking out about radiation exposure that you cannot control, cannot likely measure, and for all real purposes cannot contain for more than a year or so if you freeeeeeeek the F out now and build all kinds of expensive, and likely useless, containment systems.

You are going to die. Whether it be today or tomorrow, or twenty years ahead. There are more important things to spend your energy on right now.

I will eat all the spinach in my garden. I will eat the strawberries. I will eat the other stuff that's growing. I will eat my chickens and their eggs. I will drink the milk from the farmer up the street. I will eat the beef that people bring me. I will live.

And when I am dead, I will not give a shit about a year or two or twenty spent hiding in a hole in FEAR.

We are all dead. It doesn't matter when. Your faith is the only matter.

Go ahead and slam me, but this insanity over the radiation is just creating more fear. Fear is not the place where you need to be, and fear about radiation will do you no good, because it is or is not here and you can't do shit about it. It will be in your food now, or in a year, or two years or whatever. You cannot run. You cannot hide.

[gunDriller]

so if we apply this to the water & milk situation, it might be best to buy milk from multiple sources. there is actually a date code on, for example, Great Value evaporated milk -
http://oi53.tinypic.com/6susn8.jpg

So do you think a "best by" date that has the month will be accurate? For instance, if it says "Best by 2/2013," does this necessarily mean that it was manufactured on February of this or last year?

I was at the regular grocery store, and just couldn't bring myself to buy the powdered non-fat milk.

However, I did buy some powdered SACO brand cultured buttermilk blend. The date on the bottom was 11/5/14. I don't know if I'll ever use it, but maybe it will come in handy.


i don't know how the date-coding works.

i decided to start a thread in GD about it.

[Large Sarge]

I think the old "an ounce of prevention prevents a pound of cure" prevails in this radiation scenario...

letting you (or your family) guzzle contaminated milk, playing in radioactive rainfall, etc

is not so smart (the old ounce of prevention thing)

of course you will never avoid all of it, but limited exposure is the best any of us can hope for, and then maximize your bodies immune function.

[Horn]

I think the old "an ounce of prevention prevents a pound of cure" prevails in this radiation scenario...

letting you (or your family) guzzle contaminated milk, playing in radioactive rainfall, etc

is not so smart (the old ounce of prevention thing)

of course you will never avoid all of it, but limited exposure is the best any of us can hope for, and then maximize your bodies immune function.


Now you're starting to back out on "the way of the monk" thing earlier... 8)

I'm either a monk, or I ain't, I can't just be a weekend monk?

[lapis]

Here's something that twisted my head around...and it wasn't particularly the story, altho' it's definitely related to this thread.


The Browns Ferry units are among 23 U.S. reactors that are similar in design to the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant in Japan where backup generators were swept away in the tsunami that followed the massive earthquake on March 11.


Whoa...did I read that right....the F. reactor b/up gens were WASHED AWAY? That's a whole different storyline, yes?

Thanks for posting about this, but I don't think that's what the story is saying. I think it's saying that the Browns Ferry units are similar in design to the ones in Japan whose generators got swept away in the tsunami.

However, vigilance is called for in this situation, as who knows how much truth they're letting us know.

[Large Sarge]

ok,

I have been researching this thing for a bit

found one study from 1974 (radiation and Vitamin C)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4450227

anyway they zapped the rats with gamma radiation (figure this was the standard "double blind", otherwise it would not be published)

dose rate was 80mg vit c per kg bodyweight

the treatment started 1 week before exposure (prophylactic effect)

only 1 rat out of 25 died with vitamin C being given

while 9 rats died that did not get the vitamin C

also, this dose of vitamin C is not very high at all

100 kg person(easy math, ok 220 lbs) would get 8,000 mgs a day

Thats not much vitamin C for someone weighing 220 lbs...


Dr. Klenner made repeated claims that Vitamin c would stop all radiation damage if the dose was high enough (including radiation burns)

[lapis]

Dr. Klenner made repeated claims that Vitamin c would stop all radiation damage if the dose was high enough (including radiation burns)

I don't doubt it. Dr. Klenner cured a lot of things with vitamin C, including Polio. But just like anyone else who finds simple cures, he gets no mention in the MSM.

[Serpo]

Child’s risk of cancer from radiation is 10-100 times higher than an adult who had same exposure (VIDEO)


This is the end for nuclear energy

http://enenews.com/childs-risk-cancer-radiation-10-100-times-higher-adult-same-exposure-video

[Serpo]

Culture of Complicity Tied to Stricken Nuclear Plant

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/27/world/asia/27collusion.html?_r=2&src=me

[Glass]

ok,

I have been researching this thing for a bit

found one study from 1974 (radiation and Vitamin C)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4450227

anyway they zapped the rats with gamma radiation (figure this was the standard "double blind", otherwise it would not be published)

dose rate was 80mg vit c per kg bodyweight

the treatment started 1 week before exposure (prophylactic effect)

only 1 rat out of 25 died with vitamin C being given

while 9 rats died that did not get the vitamin C

also, this dose of vitamin C is not very high at all

100 kg person(easy math, ok 220 lbs) would get 8,000 mgs a day

Thats not much vitamin C for someone weighing 220 lbs...


Dr. Klenner made repeated claims that Vitamin c would stop all radiation damage if the dose was high enough (including radiation burns)




Large Sarge, I went to that link but I couldn't see a link to the article or report. Wondering if you could point me to where the article is on that page?

It's interesing stuff for sure. Vit C is definately a good thing but we've only ever been told it's good for colds and such. With all the info you guys have been pumping into this thread on various vitamins, chelating (?) or collecting up all the bad stuff and purging it from our bodies I am a bit overwhelmed in keeping it all in my head.

I think I am going to have to try and dump this thread to a text file so I can pull out the health info to keep handy until I can learn it all.

[gunDriller]

No offense intended to anyone and this is just my frame of view.

There is NO ESCAPE from the radiation that is being deposited.
...
You cannot hide.


it is true that it's important to remember that other people have different focuses and things that they worry about.

for example, if you're at a social function ... aka a bar ... and you're in conversation with an eligible (walks on 2 legs) female ...

so you say, "hey baby."

and she says, "so, what are you into ?"

and you say, "preparing for nuclear disaster, and cultivating maggots to give my chickens a high-protein low-cost food source" ... conversation over - unless it's another die-hard prepper.

or you say, "i like making money and playing tennis" ... a much more socially acceptable answer. you have established your eligibility as a potential mate, and, well, everybody plays tennis ... at least almost everyone has tried playing tennis.

[SLV^GLD]

I like saving money (cause it's all going to hell and paper isn't money) and I'm fucking good at tennis (about the only sport I will hand you your ass in).

Too bad I'm married.

[woodman]

No offense intended to anyone and this is just my frame of view.

There is NO ESCAPE from the radiation that is being deposited. You can run and hide and build greenhouses and prep old foods and do whatever you want. It doesn't matter. You can't see it, smell it, or taste it. It is going to get into you one way or the other. I wish I could offer you other than a pretty spring strawberry to quench your thirst, but you are going to die, whether from the rad's or the other pollutants, chemtrails or just from natural causes.

To spend your time freeking out about radiation exposure that you cannot control, cannot likely measure, and for all real purposes cannot contain for more than a year or so if you freeeeeeeek the F out now and build all kinds of expensive, and likely useless, containment systems.

You are going to die. Whether it be today or tomorrow, or twenty years ahead. There are more important things to spend your energy on right now.

I will eat all the spinach in my garden. I will eat the strawberries. I will eat the other stuff that's growing. I will eat my chickens and their eggs. I will drink the milk from the farmer up the street. I will eat the beef that people bring me. I will live.

And when I am dead, I will not give a shit about a year or two or twenty spent hiding in a hole in FEAR.

We are all dead. It doesn't matter when. Your faith is the only matter.

Go ahead and slam me, but this insanity over the radiation is just creating more fear. Fear is not the place where you need to be, and fear about radiation will do you no good, because it is or is not here and you can't do shit about it. It will be in your food now, or in a year, or two years or whatever. You cannot run. You cannot hide.




To quote the Kinks: "Paranioa will destroy ya."

Sometimes it will keep you alive too. Go ahead and enjoy all those delicious dairy products. They likely contain a slow and deadly poison that you can't see, can't smell, can't taste. It may take years to kill you. Maybe something else will kill you first. Don't feed the shit to your kids though.

[lapis]

This is currently the top news story at the nuclear watchdog site, The Idealist (http://www.idealist.ws/#,):


The Most Inhumane PR Campaign of Them All

On April 26th, 2011, the EPA disclosed that it had discovered strontium-89 in a milk sample collected in early April from a location in Hilo on the "Big Island" in Hawaii - this was the first such disclosure by the EPA that it had detected the short-lived radioactive strontium isotope in U.S. milk since the Japanese nuclear crisis began on March 11th.

Even though generic hotspots of Sr-89 in U.S. milksheds were determined by the monitoring network of the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) - the EPA's predecessor - in the late 1950s and early 1960s (the same applies to other short- and long-lived isotopes), the PHS didn't have enough sampling stations to pick out the most extremely contaminated milk supplies (tainted with iodine-131 or radiostrontiums) from the proverbial 'haystack.' This is commonsense - in the 1960s, as today, a radiation monitoring network with 30 or even 100 milk sampling stations can't pinpoint the specific dairies affected by rare, isolated severe-rainouts (rainouts wash radioactive contaminants from the atmosphere and propel organ-seeking radionuclides along the air-grass-cow-milk-human chain). Most certainly some foodstuffs that would exceed any radiation standard during the atmospheric nuclear testing era - or even today - regularly flew under the PHS's radar and ended up on dinner plates in the 1950s and 1960s. The same could happen in 2011 (and beyond) with the EPA's unimpressive air, milk and food monitoring network. There is a small but real probability that one or one thousand of the several million quarts of milk produced in the U.S. this spring or summer might have strontium-89 or -90 that exceeds safety standards - but the EPA and FDA will not know this.

Putting our security in a smattering of monitoring stations that comprise a network that's 1/100,000 the robustness of a cellular phone network seems like a misplacement of priorities. We have radioactive isotopes running detectors in every building from sea to shining sea that emit ear-bursting decibels if smoke is detected, but if radioactive isotopes enter the airspace of the United States, we have less than 150 air monitoring stations - half of them malfunctioning, and all of them at ground-level - to warn us!

Only one conclusion can be drawn from this: the federal government, and perhaps a large part of industry, doesn't want us to freak out over ionizing radiation. They don't want us to have any fear of the stuff.

I have struggled for some time with coming up with a term to call this breed of betrayal. It is not quite a radiation cover-up...or a health scandal...or a conspiracy of atomic henchmen. It is more like a PR campaign. A PR campaign to make ionizing radiation look good, like beef for the beef industry, cars for the car industry and genetically modified seed for the Monsantos of the world. Yes, the powers that be are actually industry spokespeople, lobbyists and marketers for radiation. It could be radiation in fallout, nuke plants or your local hospital.

Having said all of that, it is very essential to also mention that one of the PR campaigns listed above is more inhumanitarian than the rest, and by a large margin. Which one? And why? Here's the bottom line: I can choose to eat meat with fecal matter and antibiotics in it or not, or a car that is not quite perfectly safe or not, or a GM veggie burger or not. But I can't go anywhere to get clean air or clean water or non-radioactive food because they are contaminating the whole bleeding world. I never chose this and I can't opt out.

[crazychicken]

Just depends on your situation:

Guzzling--if you are a f...ing heathen, or drinking, eating, consuming, enjoying, utilizing your own production. Livestock inside two 300' x 65' Coverall buildings, eating last years production alfalfa hay, drinking water from our 900' well. Hardly exposes them to airborne radiation. If they would be outside, not likely it could happen unless they did a corral/jail break. Enough hay for three years at present stocking rates for the cattle, hogs and horses.

Just brought home 1,400 pounds of Pork raised here. Plenty of cattle.

You have to die of something. IMHO there would a whole bunch of the hard-talkers here winding up deep in the shit long before we do.

Could be wrong. Damn well doubt it.

Just my $0.02.

CC

[woodman]

Just depends on your situation:

Guzzling--if you are a f...ing heathen, or drinking, eating, consuming, enjoying, utilizing your own production. Livestock inside two 300' x 65' Coverall buildings, eating last years production alfalfa hay, drinking water from our 900' well. Hardly exposes them to airborne radiation. If they would be outside, not likely it could happen unless they did a corral/jail break. Enough hay for three years at present stocking rates for the cattle, hogs and horses.

Just brought home 1,400 pounds of Pork raised here. Plenty of cattle.

You have to die of something. IMHO there would a whole bunch of the hard-talkers here winding up deep in the shit long before we do.

Could be wrong. Damn well doubt it.

Just my $0.02.

CC


I'm trying to understand the meaning of your post CC. I don't get it.

[beefsteak]

My well is 28 feet deep. I'm wondering if I'm drinking run-off or not. Obviously I don't want to drink any rain water. I don't much care to pay for water either. Maybe time to have a new well sunk.


Hi, Woodman,

Took the opportunity to present your query to a person I think should know about this water biz, based upon your question. The following are the bullet points of his response.

* find your district's water master, and spend some time with their maps.

* locate and communicate with your state's Hydrologist. That "official" is the one in the position to know what the composition of the 28' above your well is composed of. Here's a starter listing that may aid you. http://www.peekyou.com/work/hydrologist

* if the 28' is clay or soil or a combo, you are probably in pretty good shape....PROVIDING said water source doesn't--for example--run off some industrial parking lot a mile up the road, and enter the water strata where you're 28' well is.

* if the 28' is primarily a sandy overburden, you're not in such good shape, filtration-wise to your 28' level.

Hope this helps. At least these types people will have a clue where "2nd" water is in your area, if you decide to drill beside and lengthen your well.

Sorry, there isn't anything more that I wrote down, but hope that helps.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

so if we apply this to the water & milk situation, it might be best to buy milk from multiple sources. there is actually a date code on, for example, Great Value evaporated milk -
http://oi53.tinypic.com/6susn8.jpg

So do you think a "best by" date that has the month will be accurate? For instance, if it says "Best by 2/2013," does this necessarily mean that it was manufactured on February of this or last year?

I was at the regular grocery store, and just couldn't bring myself to buy the powdered non-fat milk.

However, I did buy some powdered SACO brand cultured buttermilk blend. The date on the bottom was 11/5/14. I don't know if I'll ever use it, but maybe it will come in handy.


Lapis,
I don't think I can rely upon "best by" dates unless it is an item I already have stashed and put that info into my personal notebook I keep in my shirt pocket when we go grocery shopping. I feel safe buying THOSE items because I KNOW they were purchased prior to 3/11. I'm searching for a better way, especially during this transition time.

I'll be the first to admit it was a PAIN to go through the pantry and read all those labels, cans, boxes etc., looking for the "good until" info. I STILL probably missed some, especially the things my wife likes which I do not care for. LOL

Hope this helps.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Culture of Complicity Tied to Stricken Nuclear Plant

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/27/world/asia/27collusion.html?_r=2&src=me


Serpo,
while abbreviated, that was a FANTASTIC resource detailing a timeline of what's happened and what NYT editors said could be printed in the April 28, NYT-ASIA EDITION!!! Gives me hope for at least someone MSM following this, however abbreviated.

Thanks! Isn't the internet's ability to cross a great many "boundaries" amazing?

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Just depends on your situation:

Guzzling--if you are a f...ing heathen, or drinking, eating, consuming, enjoying, utilizing your own production. Livestock inside two 300' x 65' Coverall buildings, eating last years production alfalfa hay, drinking water from our 900' well. Hardly exposes them to airborne radiation. If they would be outside, not likely it could happen unless they did a corral/jail break. Enough hay for three years at present stocking rates for the cattle, hogs and horses.

Just brought home 1,400 pounds of Pork raised here. Plenty of cattle.

You have to die of something. IMHO there would a whole bunch of the hard-talkers here winding up deep in the shit long before we do.

Could be wrong. Damn well doubt it.

Just my $0.02.

CC


CC,
your post gave me hope of finding such a resource as you describe: i.e., cattle, pork, poultry grown professionally under cover, using prior years' under cover storage.

Any suggestions how to:
1) find such resources in "my" locale?
2) how to know whether or not I'm being flim-flammed just to get a "private sale?"
(in year's past, I've hobbled my share of steers to finish for private puchasers from the public, and know what a PIA that can be. Now, me and mine are looking for such a resource. SUGGESTIONS WELCOME!
3) THEN, there is the "country butcher" who may pass FDA inspection while it's swinging from a hook, but who knows what water they're using during their prep and packaging processes. I've seen my share of backroom country butcher ops, and even tho' the inspector is standing right there, my wife would have a fit if some of those practices they employed were used in HER kitchen. ANY SUGGESTIONS on this aspect?

I'm kind of puzzled at your post just like woodman mentioned, CC, but I choose to pursue this as an offer by you to educate city folks to how to improve a.k.a., mitigate our consumption of Cesium and other nasties.

Thanks, CC. Looking forward to your response.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Speaking of contaminated drinking water, someone somewhere said something (LOL) about the "dangers in combining Chlorox with Radioactive Iodine contaminated water." They didn't qualify that utterance, nor do I recall any statement of "credentials" to support this assertion, that I recall. Feel free to correct me if anyone read the same thing.

I checked with a chem engineer and his response was this:

Iodine is a higher order halogen than the Chlorine halogen.
It "might break down the Iodine isotopes, but he didn't think so."
He wouldn't have chlorine in his water, let alone his body in the first place. Chlorine seeks out the human
joints and "deposits itself there" contributing a great deal to the rampant arthritis in this nation. Chelation is one demonstrated ways of removing chlorine from the joints over time.

And to think of all the swimming pool water I swallowed as a kid.... :(

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Child’s risk of cancer from radiation is 10-100 times higher than an adult who had same exposure (VIDEO)


This is the end for nuclear energy

http://enenews.com/childs-risk-cancer-radiation-10-100-times-higher-adult-same-exposure-video

Serpo,
From Your Mouth to God's Ear as "they" say...

here's the Nuke Eng. Arnie G's "YouTube "for easy KeepVid.com conversion of a much more candid Gunderson interview by RUSSIA TODAY---- I believe conducted 4/28/2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3T_bTPmDC8

FROM RUSSIA, eh?
Okay, We now have Russia Today
Thompson-Reuters-Africa
New York Times--Asia edition...

This just keeps triangulating and making the Japanese look really REALLY inept. When will their govt catch on that their obfuscation and lying TEPCO jig is UP???

Gunderson STILL believes Fukishima is Chernobyl on Steroids, and stands by his earlier utterance 6 weeks earlier which he admits making.

Gunderson is also concerned that the radiation is "leaking down" (as opposed to just out the top side). He quoted the data stating the concrete comprising the base of Units 5 and 6 at F. are registering radiation, and his assessment is that it is coming from groundwater contamination. WOW! :o

Gunderson's admission on camera that Fukushima is the "other bookend" of the basic passing of an era of nuclear Industry for creation of power was surprisingly candid. KUDO's to Gunderson, basically admitting this his the denouement of nuclear expansion (others call have labeled it as a "nuclear renaissance") period in history.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Fresh from Dr. Helen Endicott, MD., w/r/t radiation and cancer(S) First time I've read any of her "stuff." This is in New York Time's, Sunday edition, TODAY! It is a mixture of facts and editorial opinions from author, Endicott. Jis' sayin'........



Unsafe at Any Dose
Posted on May 1, 2011 by Helen Caldicott

Six weeks ago, when I first heard about the reactor damage at the Fukushima Daiichi plant in Japan, I knew the prognosis: If any of the containment vessels or fuel pools exploded, it would mean millions of new cases of cancer in the Northern Hemisphere.

Many advocates of nuclear power would deny this. During the 25th anniversary last week of the Chernobyl disaster, some commentators asserted that few people died in the aftermath, and that there have been relatively few genetic abnormalities in survivors’ offspring. It’s an easy leap from there to arguments about the safety of nuclear energy compared to alternatives like coal, and optimistic predictions about the health of the people living near Fukushima.

But this is dangerously ill informed and short-sighted; if anyone knows better, it’s doctors like me. There’s great debate about the number of fatalities following Chernobyl; the International Atomic Energy Agency has predicted that there will be only about 4,000 deaths from cancer, but a 2009 report published by the New York Academy of Sciences says that almost one million people have already perished from cancer and other diseases.

The high doses of radiation caused so many miscarriages that we will never know the number of genetically damaged fetuses that did not come to term. (And both Belarus and Ukraine have group homes full of deformed children.)

Nuclear accidents never cease. We’re decades if not generations away from seeing the full effects of the radioactive emissions from Chernobyl.


As we know from Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it takes years to get cancer.
Leukemia takes only 5 to 10 years to emerge, but solid cancers take 15 to 60. Furthermore, most radiation-induced mutations are recessive; it can take many generations for two recessive genes to combine to form a child with a particular disease, like my specialty, cystic fibrosis. We can’t possibly imagine how many cancers and other diseases will be caused in the far future by the radioactive isotopes emitted by Chernobyl and Fukushima.

Doctors understand these dangers. We work hard to try to save the life of a child dying of leukemia. We work hard to try to save the life of a woman dying of metastatic breast cancer. And yet the medical dictum says that for incurable diseases, the only recourse is prevention. There’s no group better prepared than doctors to stand up to the physicists of the nuclear industry.

Still, physicists talk convincingly about “permissible doses” of radiation. They consistently ignore internal emitters — radioactive elements from nuclear power plants or weapons tests that are ingested or inhaled into the body, giving very high doses to small volumes of cells. They focus instead on generally less harmful external radiation from sources outside the body, whether from isotopes emitted from nuclear power plants, medical X-rays, cosmic radiation or background radiation that is naturally present in our environment.

However, doctors know that there is no such thing as a safe dose of radiation, and that radiation is cumulative. The mutations caused in cells by this radiation are generally deleterious. We all carry several hundred genes for disease: cystic fibrosis, diabetes, phenylketonuria, muscular dystrophy. There are now more than 2,600 genetic diseases on record, any one of which may be caused by a radiation-induced mutation, and many of which we’re bound to see more of, because we are artificially increasing background levels of radiation.

For many years now, physicists employed by the nuclear industry have been outperforming doctors, at least in politics and the news media. Since the Manhattan Project in the 1940s, physicists have had easy access to Congress. They had harnessed the energy inside the center of the sun, and later physicists, whether lobbying for nuclear weapons or nuclear energy, had the same power. They walk into Congress and Congress virtually prostrates itself. Their technological advancements are there for all to see; the harm will become apparent only decades later.

Doctors, by contrast, have fewer dates with Congress, and much less access on nuclear issues. We don’t typically go around discussing the latent period of carcinogenesis and the amazing advances made in understanding radiobiology. But as a result, we do an inadequate job of explaining the long-term dangers of radiation to policymakers and the public.

When patients come to us with cancer, we deem it rude to inquire if they lived downwind of Three Mile Island in the 1980s or might have eaten Hershey’s chocolate made with milk from cows that grazed in irradiated pastures nearby. We tend to treat the disaster after the fact, instead of fighting to stop it from happening in the first place. Doctors need to confront the nuclear industry.

Nuclear power is neither clean, nor sustainable, nor an alternative to fossil fuels — in fact, it adds substantially to global warming. Solar, wind and geothermal energy, along with conservation, can meet our energy needs.

At the beginning, we had no sense that radiation induced cancer. Marie Curie and her daughter didn’t know that the radioactive materials they handled would kill them. But it didn’t take long for the early nuclear physicists in the Manhattan Project to recognize the toxicity of radioactive elements. I knew many of them quite well. They had hoped that peaceful nuclear energy would absolve their guilt over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but it has only extended it.

Physicists had the knowledge to begin the nuclear age. Physicians have the knowledge, credibility and legitimacy to end it.

Originally published on newyorktimes.com 30 April 2011 and in The New York Times 1 May 2011
http://www.helencaldicott.com/2011/05/unsafe-at-any-dose/#more-285

[keehah]

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/04/30/cesium-radiation-san-francisco-california-milk-spike-highest-1324-pcil-21582/
Japan nuclear iodine radiation in San Francisco raw milk detected at 2600% EPA drinking water limits and in store-bought milk 1045% above EPA limits by the latest University of Berkeley radiation tests. The UCB also claimed that all radiation levels in the milk were starting to level off while the data shows a sharp increase in cesium radiation in their milk samples after their statement.
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Cesium-Radiation-Levels-In-San-Francisco-Store-Bought-Milk.png

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSriKxnd0pDOlOeOtdsro4Jr41MTtaGJ 1vXoqP5ZNurr-CnE6oq

[PatColo]

Fresh from Dr. Helen Endicott, MD., w/r/t radiation and cancer(S) First time I've read any of her "stuff." This is in New York Time's, Sunday edition, TODAY! It is a mixture of facts and editorial opinions from author, Endicott. Jis' sayin'........



Helen Caldicott joins the KB show today, 6 pm Central! (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2011/04/helen-caldicott-joins-kb-show-today-6.html) << check for several embedded links inside the text.
No Lies Radio special broadcast! Thursday, April 28th, 4-5 p.m. Pacific (7-8 pm Eastern) on http://NoLiesRadio.org, to be archived here a few hours after broadcast...



Legendary anti-nuclear activist Helen Caldicott, MD is an inspiration to all of us who speak truth to power - and refuse to back down. Today, the Fukushima disaster is making Dr. Caldicott's warnings about the dangers of nuclear technology look prescient, even to many former skeptics.

Helen Caldicott has had a significant influence on my life. While taking international relations classes at the University of Wisconsin in the late 1970s I learned that the US and USSR had stockpiled thousands of nuclear weapons and put them on hair-trigger alert - and that experts like my (conservative Catholic) professor John Armstrong thought the chances of nuclear war between the superpowers in the foreseeable future were about 50/50. After studying in excruciating detail what a nuclear world war would entail, I concluded that Helen Caldicott was pretty much the only sane person on the planet. This led me to spend a year as a full-time anti-nuclear activist with the group SANE/Freeze.

Today, it is increasingly obvious that the dominant paradigm is literally insane. We are governed by psychopaths, and those who dare breathe a word of truth are pariahs. Helen Caldicott, who has made a career over many decades of passionately telling the unvarnished truth and letting the chips fall where they may, is a first-class inspiration, role model, and guide to the kind of changes we need to make if humanity is to have a future.

Listen HERE (http://noliesradio.org/archives/33176) - on that page, you first need to hit PAUSE on the console near the top right which auto-plays once the page is loaded. Then hit the play button near the left side where it says, "It is now archived here — Use Player". One big commercial break in the middle, you can advance through.

[PatColo]

alright nuclear fallout doom-porn addicts, have I got a treat for you!! ;) Pasting just the 2nd hour description w/Bob Nichols, check the link for embedded links in the description:


Monday, April 25, 2011
Today's guests: Eric Walberg from Cairo, Bob Nichols on Fukushima (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2011/04/todays-guests-eric-walberg-from-cairo.html)


Second hour: Nuclear expert and award-winning journalist Bob Nichols, who has been covering the Fukushima disaster for Veterans Today. His most recent article is FUKUSHIMA = 2,000 Atomic Bombs: Killer Contamination Spreads Worldwide Without Opposition. Nichols writes:

Truly, it is as if the entire world is At War! The dreaded all-out nuclear war that would happen if Russia or the United Stated accidentally “Pressed The Button” is going on right now; it is a done deal. Imagine that! The same thing as detonating 2,000 big Atomic Bombs and not even one “BOOM!” Not a shot fired, yet we could all die!

No giant forest fires, no burning cities creating their own hellish, uncompromising firestorms. None of that; but, every bit of the radioactive contamination such an Atomic World War would create; and probably more. For unbelievably, there are more Japanese reactors about to blow. It’s a chain reaction.

Bob Nichols is a Project Censored Award winner, a correspondent for the San Francisco Bay View newspaper and a frequent contributor to various online publications. He reports on war, politics and the two nuclear weapons labs in the Bay Area. Nichols is writing a book based on 20 years of nuclear war in Central Asia. He is a former employee of an Army Ammunition Plant. You are encouraged to write Nichols at duweapons(at)gmail(dot)com.

MP3 Download (http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Truth-Jihad-32k-042511.mp3) -advance playbar to 56:30 for the top of Bob Nichols' hour; advance through the 3 minute commercial breaks.

[Large Sarge]

back to our ongoing debate on the "theories of half life"

here is an article, that half life rates increase during summer months (the sun effects them somehow)

so much for "the linear and constant rate"

http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-Sun-Influences-the-Decay-of-Radioactive-Elements-153704.shtml

[Large Sarge]

ok,

I have been researching this thing for a bit

found one study from 1974 (radiation and Vitamin C)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4450227

anyway they zapped the rats with gamma radiation (figure this was the standard "double blind", otherwise it would not be published)

dose rate was 80mg vit c per kg bodyweight

the treatment started 1 week before exposure (prophylactic effect)

only 1 rat out of 25 died with vitamin C being given

while 9 rats died that did not get the vitamin C

also, this dose of vitamin C is not very high at all

100 kg person(easy math, ok 220 lbs) would get 8,000 mgs a day

Thats not much vitamin C for someone weighing 220 lbs...


Dr. Klenner made repeated claims that Vitamin c would stop all radiation damage if the dose was high enough (including radiation burns)




Large Sarge, I went to that link but I couldn't see a link to the article or report. Wondering if you could point me to where the article is on that page?

It's interesing stuff for sure. Vit C is definately a good thing but we've only ever been told it's good for colds and such. With all the info you guys have been pumping into this thread on various vitamins, chelating (?) or collecting up all the bad stuff and purging it from our bodies I am a bit overwhelmed in keeping it all in my head.

I think I am going to have to try and dump this thread to a text file so I can pull out the health info to keep handy until I can learn it all.


well I found it originally in a vitamin C book, and cross referenced it.

medline/pubmed is a subscription site for doctors

maybe mamboni has a subscription to it?

the original study was done in germany, in 1974, you can find some references online to it (old microfiche)

the point being is that 9 out of 25 rats died from radiation exposure (0.36 = 36% fatality rate), without vitamin C


the vitamin C rats 1 out of 25 died (4%) fatality rate

also, they continued the vitamin c therapy for 1 month after exposure, to help recovery.

I am of the opinion that they could use higher doses of radiation, and higher doses of vitamin C, and have no fatalities.

[Horn]

back to our ongoing debate on the "theories of half life"

here is an article, that half life rates increase during summer months (the sun effects them somehow)

so much for "the linear and constant rate"

http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-Sun-Influences-the-Decay-of-Radioactive-Elements-153704.shtml


I was watching you before & wandering if you had the curve ball in your arsenal?

The thread drifted away again, so I just let it out there.

The Sun is changing the rate of radioactive decay, and breaking the rules of chemistry

http://io9.com/#!5619954/the-sun-is-changing-the-rate-of-radioactive-decay-and-breaking-the-rules-of-chemistry

[beefsteak]

The Sun is changing the rate of radioactive decay, and breaking the rules of chemistry

http://io9.com/#!5619954/the-sun-is-changing-the-rate-of-radioactive-decay-and-breaking-the-rules-of-chemistry


Just a html assist on the Horn link (immediately posted above) for threaders' convenient clicking through...

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

FUKUSHIMA = 2,000 Atomic Bombs

April 22, 2011 posted by Bob Nichols
Killer Contamination Spreads Worldwide Without Opposition

(San Francisco) – Radioactive contamination equivalent to the Fukushima, Japan disaster in terms of the hated “Mushroom Cloud” Atomic Bombs is two thousand (2,000) 500 Kiloton Atomic Bombs.* Each 500kt Atomic Bomb is 33 times bigger than the American Bomb that destroyed Hiroshima on August 6, 1945.

President G. Bush often referred to the well known “mushroom cloud” as a terrorist signature. Nope, just standard operating procedure (SOP) in the stationary nuclear weapons biz-ness, otherwise known worldwide as “Nuclear Power Reactors.” Except, in the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Weapons, the biggest ever, the “mushroom” portion is invisible and has engulfed the whole world with 70 Billion Radioactive Lethal Doses* – so far. There’s more on the way.

Truly, it is as if the entire world is At War! The dreaded all-out nuclear war that would happen if Russia or the United Stated accidentally “Pressed The Button” is going on right now; it is a done deal. Imagine that! The same thing as detonating 2,000 big Atomic Bombs and not even one “BOOM!” Not a shot fired, yet we could all die!

No giant forest fires, no burning cities creating their own hellish, uncompromising firestorms. None of that; but, every bit of the radioactive contamination such an Atomic World War would create; and probably more. For unbelievably, there are more Japanese reactors about to blow. It’s a chain reaction.
Yea, this is what VeteransToday is talking about, radiation from 2,000 kill-you-dead nukes.

Yea, this is what VeteransToday is talking about, radiation from 2,000 kill-you-dead nukes.

It remains a thinly veiled secret of the nuclear powers that it only takes about 300 One Megaton nukes to target the entire world. Typically, the world’s nuclear weapons arsenals were originally built with a 350 year shelf life for major components. In fact, the radioactive materials are “safer” locked away securely in heavily guarded Atomic Bombs, than in loosely managed reactors run by utility companies for supposedly “peace time” purposes. The worldwide nuclear war we’ve got is not the war we feared.

For now, we all wait and try to avoid the 10 radioactive particles set free for each of us on Earth, from Fukushima’s triggered stationary nuclear weapons. Feel free to figure out how to dodge lethal, airborne particles you can’t see.

So far, the Fukushima disaster for Planet Earth is by no means resolved. The Powers That Be at TEPCO (the Tokyo Electric Power Company) and General Electric, makers of the reactors that created this killer, worldwide, invisible mist, say that they might get a handle on the situation in “six to nine months.[1]”
2,000 of these B-83 Nukes would do the same contamination Fuku has done already. There are more reactors set to blow up.

2,000 of these B-83 Nukes would do the same contamination Fuku has done already. There are more reactors set to blow up.

The seven billion people on Earth don’t have “six to nine months.” Every single day that goes by the radioactive Fukushima Volcano slaughters more of us – silently with deadly radiation now or, years from now, with the inevitable cancer pandemic that will follow.

The ten thousand trillion counts[2] of radiation gushing forth per hour bring mortal illness to many of us. Aye, maybe even for most of us our own deaths are written on the Fukushima Radioactive Volcano Wind.

Make no mistake about it. Many of us will die from the Fukushima Nuclear Weapon. Go ahead; try to read the wind. You must have a Radiation Monitor to even start. A good one costs $400.00. The price excludes most of us.

About $400.00, give or take, is the price of admission to the exclusive club that will be able to chart the disaster at home, and take measures accordingly to protect themselves as much as possible.

The oft foretold Nuclear World War just happened; many of us are walking dead already. Do you want to take an action before you or someone you know is dead from the Fukushima Nuclear Weapon?

Theoretical Physics Professor and noted author Dr. Michiu Kaku already told CNN and the world what the solution is to the Fukushima disaster. It is pretty simple really, not rocket science. After all, it is already completely worked out, we have seen this before. It is Chernobyl on a grand scale.

If you control an Army or Air Force, “Kaku the Reactors!” Yea, count on it, those people do read VeteransToday.

If you are just a working stiff waiting your turn to do the Fukushima Nuclear Shuffle off this planet, then tell your neighbors:

“Let’s Make Them Chernobyl the Reactors!”

Remember, as Albert Einstein famously said “There are no secrets.” The facts of Three Mile Island, Chernobyl and Fukushima are all known. There is no mystery; there are no excuses; in short, there is no other way. Bomb the fuck out of The Fukushima Killing Machine. Get off your asses and do it. It takes aircraft, sand, boron, water, concrete, and the simple will to “Chernobyl the Reactors.[3]”

Politicians world wide will either kill the reactors or they won’t. Talk is cheap. Life is even cheaper. We must kick their asses at the first and every opportunity; we must punish them and not let up until we see the reactors dead.

Go for it.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/04/22/fukushima-2000-atomic-bombs/

My apologies to the thread, but I couldn't find all the "footnotes" indicated by squared bracketing employed by author Nichols in copy/pasted article above. Found the [3] one, but not the others clicking the hyperlink immediately above and scrolling down, but .... ???

[beefsteak]

Excellent contribution, EE! Thanks!

Found at the bottom of your link was this amazing seismic animation starting 2 days before the 9.1 quake hit.

WOW!
https://www.wallstreetdaily.com/2011/03/18/signs-of-japan-quake-two-days-before-disaster/

Thanks again!

beefsteak

[crazychicken]

I think we are fairly close--somewhat. I can help you with beef, baby beef and pork. And at a good price, not profiteering. Live, but I can ship it to the right kind of slaughterhouse for you. I just brought 1,400 lbs of pork home a couple of weeks ago. Bring your geiger counter for assurance.

PM me if you want.

CC






Just depends on your situation:

Guzzling--if you are a f...ing heathen, or drinking, eating, consuming, enjoying, utilizing your own production. Livestock inside two 300' x 65' Coverall buildings, eating last years production alfalfa hay, drinking water from our 900' well. Hardly exposes them to airborne radiation. If they would be outside, not likely it could happen unless they did a corral/jail break. Enough hay for three years at present stocking rates for the cattle, hogs and horses.

Just brought home 1,400 pounds of Pork raised here. Plenty of cattle.

You have to die of something. IMHO there would a whole bunch of the hard-talkers here winding up deep in the shit long before we do.

Could be wrong. Damn well doubt it.

Just my $0.02.

CC


CC,
your post gave me hope of finding such a resource as you describe: i.e., cattle, pork, poultry grown professionally under cover, using prior years' under cover storage.

Any suggestions how to:
1) find such resources in "my" locale?
2) how to know whether or not I'm being flim-flammed just to get a "private sale?"
(in year's past, I've hobbled my share of steers to finish for private puchasers from the public, and know what a PIA that can be. Now, me and mine are looking for such a resource. SUGGESTIONS WELCOME!
3) THEN, there is the "country butcher" who may pass FDA inspection while it's swinging from a hook, but who knows what water they're using during their prep and packaging processes. I've seen my share of backroom country butcher ops, and even tho' the inspector is standing right there, my wife would have a fit if some of those practices they employed were used in HER kitchen. ANY SUGGESTIONS on this aspect?

I'm kind of puzzled at your post just like woodman mentioned, CC, but I choose to pursue this as an offer by you to educate city folks to how to improve a.k.a., mitigate our consumption of Cesium and other nasties.

Thanks, CC. Looking forward to your response.

beefsteak

[Large Sarge]

at this point I think investing in a decent geiger counter (The Bob Nichols interview PatColo posted, he said "the haves, and the have nots" in regards to a geiger counter)

and megadosing vitamin C

and doing rudimentary things to limit exposure, food sources, exposure to rain, etc

The Vitamin C thing is really amazing, the book I was reading, Vitamin C at high doses acts as a chelating agent and an anti-toxin

So it actually pushes strontium from the body, when high doses of vitamin C are there

here is one of the books I found (its free online)


http://www.scribd.com/doc/36111224/Thomas-E-Levy-Vitamin-C-Infectious-Diseases-And-Toxins-Curing-the-Incurable


not much high dose vitamin c will not cure or stop, venom (snakes, spiders, bee's, etc), poisons (arsenic, strychnine, cyanide, etc), radiation, infectious diseases, hepatitis, etc

[beefsteak]

Large Sarge,
I tried and was able to "view" said document, but even after performing the "register schtick" I was NOT able to "download for free."

Did I miss a step somewhere, or just not understand from the git-go?

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Thanks for the reply, CC!

[Large Sarge]

Large Sarge,
I tried and was able to "view" said document, but even after performing the "register schtick" I was NOT able to "download for free."

Did I miss a step somewhere, or just not understand from the git-go?

beefsteak


I opened it earlier, no registration required...

now it looks like the server is busy, just taking a long time to download.


Anyway, try again in the morning, traffic is less.


but vitamin C is the answer

[beefsteak]

So it actually pushes strontium from the body, when high doses of vitamin C are there

not much high dose vitamin c will not cure or stop, venom (snakes, spiders, bee's, etc), poisons (arsenic, strychnine, cyanide, etc), radiation, infectious diseases, hepatitis, etc


Large Sarge,
wrt the Bob Nichols interview PatColo posted, Nichols talked about Strontium-90 basically decaying to Yttrium after several decades inside the human body, therefore being the basis for the epidemic of pancreatic disease including DIABETES. Wish he would have quoted his source so I could check it out, but be that as it may, my question is this:

in this book link you offered, did you find any reference to Vit C and removal, mitigating the Yttrium?

I'm all for "pushing out the Strontium prior to the Yttrium derivation, make no mistake. But, since this is, as Nichols put it, this is basically our 4th Radiation bath since the Manhattan Project and Hiroshima/Nagasaki, it would be nice to "push out some old, as well as push out the new." Do you understand what I'm saying? I haven't read the 447pg book yet, obviously.

Guess I'm kind of asking you --thinking that you have read it-- whether the "butler did it" or not... ;)

beefsteak

PS...on the scrib'd doc matter, THANK you for the response. Yes, I'm able to see if for free. I just couldn't download it for free. That's where I got confused.

[Large Sarge]

yes I own and have read the book.

the important points are these

1. at high doses Vitamin C acts like a chelating agent, and removes all toxins (including heavy metals/radeonucleotides)

2. Vitamin C acts like an antitoxin for about everything under the sun (including thallium, believe it or not)

3. Vitamin C has proven itself to dramtaically reduce mortality rates from radiation exposure


I am telling you right now, you read that book, and well you could shutdown about 90% of the hospitals in this country overnight, and med school would go from 8 years total to about 4 week intensive course (no joke)

mercury poisoning, cadmium, etc

one guy, took 70 grams of fatal mushrooms (nightshade), anyway the normal fatal dose is 20 grams, and it is fatal between 50-90% of the time within 24 hours (bad shit here)

so he took 3.5 times the fatal dose, and in public, 3000 mgs Vit C intravenously, plus some antifungal med, and he survived (actually did not suffer at all)


a

he did that twice, to show it was not a fluke.

[SLV^GLD]

back to our ongoing debate on the "theories of half life"

here is an article, that half life rates increase during summer months (the sun effects them somehow)

so much for "the linear and constant rate"

http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-Sun-Influences-the-Decay-of-Radioactive-Elements-153704.shtml
Good one, LS!
The sun emits tons of radiation primarily in X-ray form and it does not surprise me that this would affect radioactive decay rates.
My argument with you has not been based on the concreteness of radioactive decay rates. In fact, if you'll reread my posts you will see that I concede that current information sets are fully subject to revision with the advent of additional information disproving one or more points of the existing accepted knowledge. This is known as good science.
My argument with you is that you seem to want to ignore that reality that things like Plutonium will poison the environment for many thousands of years. Whether or not the rate of decay is accelerated or impeded and we can give or take a thousand years here or there I am asserting that the damage remains beyond comprehension and will affect multiple generations of humanity. And for the lower time frame items such as radioactive Iodine and Cesium, they will still kill you even if the sun made them decay a whole day earlier than we had expected them to.
In a nutshell, the current body of knowledge on these isotopes is sufficient to say that we are royally fucked if they continue to be released into the environment. Attacking that body of knowledge as being rightfully incomplete is ridiculous if your intent is to say that the information is useless for determining the FACT that we are fucked with continued release.

[beefsteak]

yes I own and have read the book.

Thank you for your quick reply, Large Sarge.

So I take it, the answer to my query is: "No, Yttrium is NOT mentioned anywhere within those 447 pages?"

beefsteak

[Serpo]

#Fukushima I Nuke Plant: Japan Nuclear Technology Institute Senior Advisor Says "Reactors 1, 2, 3 All Had Complete Meltdown"

(UPDATED with the video in question at the end. He says not only the fuels have melted down completely but some of them may already be outside the Pressure Vessels.

(He also talks about potentially extremely high concentration of radioactive materials ("like we've never seen before") in the water inside the Pressure Vessel, as the result of core meltdown and continuous water injection.

(For more on his very frank assessment of the reactor core and the situation at Fukushima I Nuke Plant, PLEASE DO GO TO my latest post.)

--------------------------------
Michio Ishikawa, the former head of the Japan Nuclear Technology Institute and the current "most senior" advisor to the Institute, appeared on an Asahi TV program on April 29 and shared his candid assessment of Fukushima I Nuke Plant accident.

He is known as one of the most ardent proponents of nuclear power generation. The Japan Nuclear Technology Institute was set up in 2005 by Ishikawa in order to represent the interest of the nuclear industry in Japan and promote nuclear energy.

People who watched this Asahi TV program were surprised to hear him contradict the official government "narrative" (I hate that word, but in this case it is exactly what it is, a "narrative" as opposed to reality) about the plant accident, even as he continues to insist nuclear power plants are safe and 100 milli-sieverts cumulative radiation is perfectly safe not just for the plant workers but for everyone.

Here are some of the comments he made during the program, jotted down by a viewer as he watched the program, and supplemented later with tweets by others. He weaves his own narratives like "no one anticipated such an accident" (oh yes many people did). Original in Japanese, my English translation, [my comment in italic in square bracket]:

「世界が予想しなかった事故」
"It's an accident that no one in the world anticipated."

[Uh huh. "Who could have known?" That's what every crook in a government anywhere says.]

「天災というのはそんなにしょっちゅう起きてたら天災じゃない」
"If an Act of God happens all the time, it's no longer an Act of God."

[Literal translation of the Japanese word 天災 is "calamity from heaven", a calamity that mere mortals have no control over. The government, the industry, TEPCO are therefore guiltless.]

「福島の事故は津波がなければ起きていなかった」
"The Fukushima accident never would have happened without tsunami."

[Nice try, Mr. Ishikawa. But it was a power failure caused by the earthquake that triggered the accident, and the only transmission tower TEPCO owned that fell during the earthquake was the one that supplied power to the plant. More later.]

「8時間以内に電気が来ていれば、今の事態にはなっていない」
"If the power was restored within 8 hours, we wouldn't have the situation we have today."

[Yeah? How could the power have been restored in 8 hours?]

「福島は地震や老朽化によって事故を起こしたわけじゃないんです」
"The accident didn't happen because of the earthquake or the aging plant."

[Yes it did.]

「原発は30年どころか、60年、100年だって大丈夫ですよ」
"A nuclear power plant lasts not just for 30 years, but for 60, 100 years."

[And uranium and plutonium will last for "eternity" in human scale.]

「いま福島原発で通常時のルールのまま些末な対策ばかりやっている、非常時の対応が必要」
"At Fukushima I Nuke Plant, they've been applying minor countermeasures as if it is a normal situation. They need the emergency response."

[Thus the bath salt as tracer - the only comical relief in the whole sorry saga.]

「今は放射線との戦争状態、まったく東電の対応はなっていない」
Right now, it's the war with radiation. TEPCO's response is horrendous.

[And where is the government? The response from your own industry, other than trying to win a contract for cleanup jobs? And what do you expect from a utility company?]

「今の福島原発は戦争状態、戦場なんですよ」
Fukushima I Nuke Plant is at war, it's a war zone.

[That I agree. But the US NRC has now joined the Japanese government and says it's under control. Hahaha.]

「政府の発表は間違い。燃料棒は全部溶け落ちてしまっていると思う」
The government announcement is wrong. I think all the fuel rods have been melted down.

「水棺などといってモタモタしてないで、炉心を早く冷やすことに一心になれ」
Don't bother with water entombment. Focus on cooling the core as soon as possible.

（トレーラーハウスを被災地に導入すべきとの意見に）「また津波が来ますよ」とにやけながら発 言。
(Responding to the idea of introducing trailer houses in the earthquake/tsunami affected area, with a smirk on this face) Another tsunami will come.

[So he's expecting another big earthquake that will cause big tsunami?]

「20mSvぐらいで避難させているのはおかしい。100mSvまで安全なんだから帰らせたら いい」
It's wrong to evacuate people at mere 20 milli-sieverts. It's safe up to 100 milli-sieverts, so let them go home.

[There we go. Speaking like a true proponent of safe nuclear power. It's safe up to 100 milli-sieverts for civilians! Maybe he should go up there and cheer up the residents.]



「原発の作業員だって250mSvまで大丈夫なんだから」
Nuclear plant workers are safe up to 250 milli-sieverts.

[Mr. Ishikawa, why don't you take TEPCO's top management with you to the plant, and scoop out the contaminated water with a bucket and help the workers? No need for protection. It's safe.]

（原子力を推進したのは東電なのか政府なのかという質問に）「東電ってことはない、政府の方だ 」
(Responding to the question whether it is TEPCO or the Japanese government who has promoted nuclear power) Not TEPCO. It's the government.

「浜岡原発はやめる必要はない。強度はしっかりしている。マグニチュード９でも福島は持った。浜岡でも心配 することはない。津波は、電源さえきちんとしておけば大丈夫」
No need to stop Hamaoka Nuke Plant [the one on the earthquake faults and in the supposed center of Tokai quake]. It is built strong. Fukushima survived a Magnitude 9 earthquake. [Well, not really.] So, no need to worry about Hamaoka. As long as electricity is available, no need to fear tsunami. [Rrrriiiggghhht. Haven't you heard the news yet, that the nuke plants in Japan do not have adequate backup power supplies to keep cooling the reactors? ]

「私の仲間で原爆の仇をとるんだといって（原子力発電の道に）進んだものもいる」
Among my colleagues, there are those who embarked on the career in nuclear power generation as a revenge against the nuclear bombs [dropped on Japan].

http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/04/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-japan-nuclear.htmll

[beefsteak]

Shareholders show more horse sense than Japanese Govt officials!!!



Shareholders want nuclear plants closed

A group of Tohoku Electric Power Company shareholders will submit a motion calling for the closure of the company's nuclear plants.

220 individual stockholders decided on the move ahead of the company's annual shareholders' meeting at the end of next month.

The investors are demanding that the utility state in its agreement with shareholders that it will close its nuclear power plants and end its investment in a reprocessing plant in Aomori Prefecture and similar projects.

The shareholders say the problems at the Tokyo Electric Power Company's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant was a warning that accidents at any nuclear plant can lead to dangers that cannot be contained by any one company.

They will deliver documents on the demand to the company on Monday (5/2/2011) . The subject is expected to be discussed at this year's shareholders' meeting.

The move comes after the firm measured tsunamis higher than expected and strong tremors at its Onagawa nuclear plant in Miyagi Prefecture during the March 11th earthquake and the aftershock on April 7th.

The Tohoku Electric Power Company declined to comment on the move. But it said it had safely suspended operations at its power plants and that it will improve its risk management and strengthen measures to check its equipment.

Sunday, May 01, 2011 23:20 +0900 (JST)
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/01_19.html

[beefsteak]

Implementation Plans for installing Air filtration devices at Fukushima currently underway.



Work underway to filter air in reactor bldg
Dateline: 5/2, Japan Time

Workers have begun a plan to enter a building at the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant to install equipment that will help to cool down the reactor.

Tokyo Electric Power Company, the operator of the plant, said on Monday that workers are preparing to install devices that will reduce the amount of radioactive materials inside the No.1 reactor building.

The equipment is designed to filter out 95 percent of the radioactive substances in the air coming through the ducts, when operated for 24 hours.

Four of the devices will be installed outside the reactor building door.

Workers will need a safe environment to install equipment to steadily cool the reactor. A water gauge will help TEPCO to determine the feasibility of its plan to cool the reactor's fuel rods by covering them with water.

Eight workers are set to enter the No.1 reactor building as early as Thursday. They will be the first to do so since a hydrogen explosion occurred one day after the March 11th earthquake and tsunami.

Monday, May 02, 2011 12:56 +0900 (JST)
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/02_11.html



OUTSIDE THE REACTOR DOOR? As in they only plan to peek inside the glass window or something? The old phrase about "closing the barn door after...." comes to mind.

This is insane. 10 times lethal doses for every man, woman and child on the planet, unimpededly flooding the atmosphere we all breathe?? But it's going to be 95% pure OUTSIDE #1's REACTOR DOOR ? ? ? ? ? That must be one heck of a "scrubber?" To filter out 95% of 50,000 TRILLION Becquerels of lethal radiation...and take it down to only 2,500 TRILLION BECQUERELS of lethal radiation. Yeah, that makes me feel better. I can see them all whipping off their masks and taking huge gulping breathes of "spring, cherry blossom" air surrounding #1...

Everyone else feel better, too?

beefsteak

[PatColo]

new thread worthy, as not so much nuke fallout related, so just a pointer here in the mega-thread,

Ellen Brown: Japan's world-biggest nationalized bank, Fukushima, Shock-Doctrine (http://gold-silver.us/forum/japan-earthquake-tsunami-and-nuclear-disaster/ellen-brown-japan%27s-world-biggest-nationalized-bank-fukushima-shock-doctrine/msg221913/#msg221913)

Please reply there if you're tempted, but a preview: the OP reads:


WHY THE JAPANESE GOVERNMENT CAN AFFORD TO REBUILD: IT OWNS THE LARGEST DEPOSITORY BANK IN THE WORLD (http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/japanese_rebuild.php)

Ellen Brown
March 29th, 2011


Suggests the Zio Global Usury Empire has been going after this public bank. Read it at the link above. Also hear Ellen Brown's recent appearance on Kevin Barrett's 4/22 Truth Jihad Radio show,
William Cook on Goldstone, Ellen Brown on Japan & Banksters (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2011/04/william-cook-on-goldstone-ellen-brown.html)


Second hour: Ellen Brown will discuss the topics of her recent articles including:

* The international banksters' ongoing assault on Japan's gargantuan postal public bank (http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/japanese_rebuild.php) (will the Fukushima disaster provide the "shock doctrine (http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20070911133531194)" pretext to sell it off to the Rothschilds?)

* How Wisconsin could turn austerity into prosperity by starting a public bank (http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/wisconsin.php);

* Libya: Is it about oil, or banking? (http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/libya.php)

...check out her work at www.WebOfDebt.com (http://www.WebOfDebt.com)


MP3 Download (http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Truth-Jihad-32k-042211.mp3): advance the play-bar to the middle, as it's a 2 hour MP3, and Brown is on beginning the 2nd hour. Advance through the 3 min breaks. First hour is OT to this thread, except maybe for critical of Rothschild's Global Usury Empire's headquarters: Izzy, description reads (see KB's BLOG ENTRY (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2011/04/william-cook-on-goldstone-ellen-brown.html) for embedded links):


First hour: Professor William Cook will discuss his recent article "Sinning Against Zionism: Traitor to Country," the most eloquent response I have seen to Justice Goldstone's nauseating and cowardly attempt to undermine his own report on the war crimes of Israel's Dec. 2008 - Jan. 2009 assault on Gaza...an assault which has continued ever since in only slightly less virulent form. We'll also discuss his follow-up article (complete with amazing pictures) "Now Israel is free to declare its innocence before the ICJ."

William A. Cook is a professor of English at the University of La Verne in southern California and author of The Rape Of Palestine: Hope Destroyed, Justice Denied, Tracking Deception: Bush Mid-East Policy and The Chronicles Of Nefaria. He is editor of MWCNEWS.

[keehah]

Meet Pluto-kun or Pu 'our reliable friend'. Coming to a lung near you.

I don't know what he was saying, but my ears are burning.

They have two scenes with him at 8:40 about how long he will be out in the countryside holding hands with the kids.

Did anyone catch who his American partner was at 1:42?
If you need proof the bad guys are Caucs, just check out the scene at 3:45.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJlul0lTroY

http://pinktentacle.com/2011/03/cute-pluto-kun-cartoon-dispels-plutonium-fears/

In the early 1990s, Japan's Power Reactor and Nuclear Fuel Development Corporation (PNC) -- a nuclear energy research organization which is now part of the Japan Atomic Energy Agency (JAEA) -- created a pro-nuclear PR cartoon entitled "Pluto-kun, Our Reliable Friend." The aim of the animated film, which features the company mascot Pluto-kun, is to dispel some of the fears surrounding plutonium. Scroll down for a rough summary.

[PatColo]

In the early 1990s, Japan's Power Reactor and Nuclear Fuel Development Corporation (PNC) -- a nuclear energy research organization which is now part of the Japan Atomic Energy Agency (JAEA) -- created a pro-nuclear PR cartoon entitled "Pluto-kun, Our Reliable Friend." The aim of the animated film, which features the company mascot Pluto-kun, is to dispel some of the fears surrounding plutonium. Scroll down for a rough summary.


reminds me of this sick piece Big Pharma put out a couple years ago during their H1N1 biowar racket. Be sure to crank your sound up all the way! 8)

"Sid the Science Kid Gets a Flu Shot (song) "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNHeV-9dPCs

[PatColo]

Rense radio show tonight, 19:00 - 22:00 PT, then repeating the following 3 hours. Tonight:

MONDAY
May 2, 2011

Michel Chossudovsky
Global Research Report

pending

From Japan
Yoichi Shimatsu

So Shimatsu is certainly on again (been every Mon) in the 3rd hour (beginning 21:00 PT), 2nd hour up for grabs, should update later today

listen:
http://www.renseradio.com/listenlive.htm

[Large Sarge]

yes I own and have read the book.

Thank you for your quick reply, Large Sarge.

So I take it, the answer to my query is: "No, Yttrium is NOT mentioned anywhere within those 447 pages?"

beefsteak


Hey Beefsteak,

I searched and Thallium is mentioned, and vitamin C protects against it (along with cyanide, strychnine, arsenic, poison mushrooms, all venoms, infectious diseases, etc)

now we can never assume to much, but strontium is mentioned in there, and high doses of vitamin c does chelate strontium, and protect against the radiation.

reportedly strontium has a half life of 28 years

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strontium


just a guess, but I think high levels of vitamin C would have it chelated out of the body before 28 years

[Large Sarge]

back to our ongoing debate on the "theories of half life"

here is an article, that half life rates increase during summer months (the sun effects them somehow)

so much for "the linear and constant rate"

http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-Sun-Influences-the-Decay-of-Radioactive-Elements-153704.shtml
Good one, LS!
The sun emits tons of radiation primarily in X-ray form and it does not surprise me that this would affect radioactive decay rates.
My argument with you has not been based on the concreteness of radioactive decay rates. In fact, if you'll reread my posts you will see that I concede that current information sets are fully subject to revision with the advent of additional information disproving one or more points of the existing accepted knowledge. This is known as good science.
My argument with you is that you seem to want to ignore that reality that things like Plutonium will poison the environment for many thousands of years. Whether or not the rate of decay is accelerated or impeded and we can give or take a thousand years here or there I am asserting that the damage remains beyond comprehension and will affect multiple generations of humanity. And for the lower time frame items such as radioactive Iodine and Cesium, they will still kill you even if the sun made them decay a whole day earlier than we had expected them to.
In a nutshell, the current body of knowledge on these isotopes is sufficient to say that we are royally fucked if they continue to be released into the environment. Attacking that body of knowledge as being rightfully incomplete is ridiculous if your intent is to say that the information is useless for determining the FACT that we are fucked with continued release.


my contention all along was that you cannot take 1/1000 of a percent of data, and extrapolate out the whole picture (whether you term it a theory or not)
its not much better than a guess.

the fact that we already have 1 force identified that effects the rate, that was outside the original calculation, is just more proof.

if 1 thing can effect radioactive half-life decay, my guess is that other things can as well

and the whole "linear and straight half life decay" is flawed.

[Serpo]

Parents in Fukushima are angry over rule changes which mean that school children can be exposed to 20 times more radiation than was previously permissible. Photograph: Carlos Barria/Reuters

Furious parents in Fukushima have delivered a bag of radioactive playground earth to education officials in protest at moves to weaken nuclear safety standards in schools.

Children can now be exposed to 20 times more radiation than was previously permissible. The new regulations have prompted outcry. A senior adviser resigned and the prime minister, Naoto Kan, was criticised by politicians from his own party.

Ministers have defended the increase in the acceptable safety level from 1 to 20 millisieverts per year as a necessary measure to guarantee the education of hundreds of thousands of children in Fukushima prefecture, location of the nuclear plant that suffered a partial meltdown and several explosions after the earthquake and tsunami on 11 March.

It is estimated that 75% of Fukushima's schools may have radiation levels above the old safety level of 1 millisievert. The local authorities in Koriyama have tried to ease the problem by digging up the top layer of soil in school and day centre playgrounds, but residents near the proposed dump site have objected.

The new standard of 20 millisieverts a year – equivalent to the annual maximum dose for German nuclear workers – will mean those schools remain open, but parents and nuclear opponents are angry that safety concerns are being ignored.

A group claiming to represent 250 parents in Fukushima visited the upper house of parliament and presented government officials with a bag of radioactive dirt from the playground of one of the affected schools. A geiger counter clicked over it with a reading of 38 millisieverts.

"How dare they tell us it is safe for our children," said Sachiko Satou of the Protect Fukushima Children from Radiation Association. "This is disgusting. They can't play outside with such risks. If the government won't remove the radioactive dirt then we'll do it ourselves and dump it outside the headquarters of Tokyo Electric."

Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth and other environment and anti-nuclear groups submitted a petition against the regulations. They accused the Nuclear Safety Commission of meekly accepting the new safety limit after just two hours of closed-door discussions with government officials.

However, representatives of the commission denied agreeing that 20 millisieverts was safe. Education ministry officials fudged demands for an explanation. "I think 20 millisieverts is safe but I don't think it's good," said Itaru Watanabe of the education ministry, drawing howls of derision from the audience of participants. He promised the government would carefully monitor the situation and do all it could to get radioactivity down to 1 millisievert.

The health impacts are disputed. Physicians for Social Responsibility – a US-based Nobel prize winning organisation that opposes nuclear power – said children were more vulnerable than adults. It said the new acceptable limit exposed children to a one in 200 risk of getting cancer, compared with a one in 500 risk for adults.

"It is unconscionable to increase the allowable dose for children to 20 millisieverts," the group said in a statement. "There is no way this level of exposure can be considered safe."

This is not the first time the government has shifted safety baselines since the start of the crisis. Permissible levels of radiation exposure for nuclear workers were amended soon after the disaster struck to allow emergency operations at the stricken Fukushima reactor. Several weeks later the cabinet allowed the plant's operator, Tokyo Electric, to violate regulations by dumping 11,500 tonnes of contaminated water into the Pacific. The radioactivity of the discharge was 100 times higher than the acceptable limit. The government says it has to take unprecedented measures to deal with an unprecedented disaster.

Kan has lost one of his chief scientific advisers over the latest decision. Toshiso Kosako – a Tokyo University professor who was called in to help deal with the crisis – walked out on Friday and has since accused the government of ad hoc policy making and contravening internationally accepted norms for the sake of political expediency.

Kan has also come under fire from lawmakers in his ruling Democratic party.

Mori Yuko, an upper house member, said she was disgusted by the decision to loosen the safety limit. "Would politicians and bureaucrats allow their own children to go to a contaminated school," she said. "This makes me furious."

She called for more rigorous and widespread health monitoring of children and criticised an earlier government policy to withhold data about radiation levels and wind direction. After a public outcry these figures are now published daily in newspapers, but the allegations of cover-ups and shifting safety baselines are taking a heavy political toll.

A mere 1.3% of respondents in a weekend poll by the Kyodo news agency thought Kan was exercising sufficient leadership. But many people also criticise the main opposition Liberal Democratic party for lax nuclear regulation while it was in power.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/parents-revolt-radiation-levels

[keehah]

So because they don't want to bother to move them, children in the area who are 10 to 100 times more damaged by radiation than adults, are to be allowed the maximum radiation allowed for adult male nuclear radiation workers (before the disaster and they removed their limits)?

And we have yet to account for extra radiation in the food or the lungs.

[beefsteak]

About time the anger of the Japanese People boils over. This "tinkering" with scientifically established thresholds is blatant and transparent.

May the number of Angry Japanese increase...CULTURALLY. And that convert to anti-nuclear activism "over there." And may it spread to other heavily radiated by Fuku. regions as well. This insanity of nuclear power must be stopped.

One question I ask myself nowadays is: was the US "Manhattan Project" the result of another stupid global competition, and we "won?" Anybody familiar with the global power climate "back then?"

beefsteak

[Large Sarge]

About time the anger of the Japanese People boils over. This "tinkering" with scientifically established thresholds is blatant and transparent.

May the number of Angry Japanese increase...CULTURALLY. And that convert to anti-nuclear activism "over there." And may it spread to other heavily radiated by Fuku. regions as well. This insanity of nuclear power must be stopped.

One question I ask myself nowadays is: was the US "Manhattan Project" the result of another stupid global competition, and we "won?" Anybody familiar with the global power climate "back then?"

beefsteak




yes the japanese are slow to anger, so this is a good sign IMO

[gunDriller]

i agree it's important to not let the Japan incident put you in "worry" mode, "anxiety" mode, whatever you want to call it.

because that can result in more harm to your health than the radiation.

which reminds me of the time ... i was drinking a health shake after going to the gym. just milk + powder. i rinsed the container real good ... so i thought. got food poisoning ! turns out there was crap in the handle. many vomits later, i returned to semi-normal. ;D

in other words, in the process of trying to be as healthy as possible, i went precisely in the other direction.

it's like getting in a car accident on the way to the doctor, or something.


>>> Public Notice <<<

and let us not forget - 3 Major Surf Contests -

** Nike 6 Lowers, one of the biggest surf events of the year, comparable to Pipe. great way to forget about Japan.
http://www.nike6lowerspro.com/2011-results/

that starts Tuesday May 3.

** next week, the men's Pro Tour starts up again in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Wed. May 11.

Slater is talking about not attending because he has only one 1 of 2 events this year, so he would have to fight for the title, even though he's currently in first place.


** also, the women's Pro tour is back on in Australia, the Beachley Classic, starting today, which is May 3 in Aussieland.
http://www.beachleyclassic.com/

Steph Gilmore, who won the World Title the last 3 years, starting in her rookie year, was attacked outside a bar in the off season and her hand was broken. she is off-balance, hasn't won an event this year.

so Sally F. (Aussie) and Carissa Moore (Hawaii) are running away with the title.



OK well maybe i should put this in the Lounge.

[Cobalt]

"How dare they tell us it is safe for our children," said Sachiko Satou of the Protect Fukushima Children from Radiation Association. "This is disgusting. They can't play outside with such risks. If the government won't remove the radioactive dirt then we'll do it ourselves and dump it outside the headquarters of Tokyo Electric."


I'm willing to bet that they would have charges brought against them befor dumping even a few ounces of dirt.

[beefsteak]

An "E" grade for Effort goes to NY Times: Here's Reactor #1 briefest of the briefings...at least it is something!

OPEN QUOTE from NYTIMES--online edition:

Status of the Nuclear Reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi Power Plant

None of the six reactors at the plant have operated since the earthquake. But explosions have damaged four of the buildings, and fuel in the reactors and spent fuel stored in the buildings has partially melted, releasing radioactive materials.

Updated as of April 29, 4 p.m. EDT. All reactor status updates are listed in Japan time.

==================================================
Reactor 1

There was a partial meltdown of the reactor’s fuel assemblies (about 55 percent of the fuel was damaged, according to latest estimates) and radioactive materials have leaked into the environment, in large but unknown quantities. The steel reactor core may have been breached by molten fuel.

March 11, 2:46 PM An earthquake sparks a tsunami. The reactor shuts down automatically, though its fuel continues to produce large amounts of heat.

March 11, 3:41 PM Backup diesel generators for running the plant's cooling systems fail.

March 12, 3:48 AM Operators start injecting water into the reactor to cool it.

March 12, 5:22 AM The pressure-suppression pool stops working properly.

March 12, 3:36 PM An explosion blows the roof and top walls off the reactor building. The reactor containment vessel is not significantly damaged.

MARCH 12, 5:00 PM Radioactive materials, including an isotope of iodine, are detected.

March 12, 8:20 PM Workers start flooding the reactor with seawater in a desperate effort to cool it.

MARCH 18 The plant expects to run a power cable to the reactor by Saturday (3/19/2011) to restart water pumps needed to cool fuel rods.

MARCH 18, 9:45 PM Japanese authorities raise the assessment of severity of the accident to a 5 out of 7 on the international nuclear event scale.

MARCH 19, 1:30 PM Pressure within the reactor containment vessel appears to be stable.

MARCH 21, 9:40 PM Radioactive isotopes of cobalt, iodine and cesium are found in seawater near the discharge canal of the reactor.

MARCH 22, 7:30 AM Seawater continues to be injected into the reactor to cool it.

MARCH 22, 11:00 PM Like the day before, radioactive isotopes of cobalt, iodine and cesium are found in seawater near the discharge canal of the reactor.

MARCH 23, 2:33 AM Temperature in the reactor is about 750 degrees Fahrenheit. The amount of injected water is increased.

MARCH 23, 6:00 PM The reactor temperature is approximately 580 degrees Fahrenheit (normal is around 500 degrees, if it were operating; shut down temperature is cooler).

MARCH 24, 1:00 AM Temperature within the reactor has dropped to 469 degrees Fahrenheit, but remains well above temperature if it was in "cold" shut down.

MARCH 24, 10:50 AM White, fog-like steam is seen rising from the reactor building.

MARCH 24, 11:30 AM Lights in the main control room are restored, which is an important step in restoring power to the building.

MARCH 24, 6:05 PM Temperature within the reactor has dropped to 424 degrees. White smoke continues to rise from the unit.

MARCH 25, 6:20 AM White smoke being emitted continuously.

MARCH 25, 3:37 PM Freshwater is now being injected into the reactor. There have been reports that the use of saltwater in Reactor 3 may be dislodging highly radioactive cobalt and molybdenum.

MARCH 26, 8:00 AM Freshwater injection continues. White smoke continues to emanate from the building.

MARCH 26, 11:30 PM Temperature within the reactor has dropped to 291 degrees Fahrenheit, which is still above "cold" shutdown temperatures of less than 100 degrees.

MARCH 27, 6:00 AM Temperature at a nozzle feeding water to the reactor is 415 degrees Fahrenheit.

MARCH 27, 9:00 AM Temperature at a nozzle feeding water to the reactor has risen to 437 degrees Fahrenheit, which is within the zone of regular operating temperatures, but very warm for a reactor that has shut down.

MARCH 27 High levels of radioactive iodine and cesium are found in pools of stagnant water on the floor of the turbine building.

MARCH 27, 3:30 PM Water contaminated with low-levels of radioactivity is found in a tunnel leading from the reactor.

MARCH 27, 6:00 PM As part of the efforts to restore power, workers begin to pump water from the turbine building to the main condenser.

MARCH 27, 10:30 PM Temperature at the bottom of the reactor is 288 degrees Fahrenheit, which is warm for a reactor that has shut down.

MARCH 28 Radioactive materials are found in puddles in the turbine building.

MARCH 28, 11:30 PM Pumping of contaminated water from the basement of the turbine building to the main condenser is underway.

MARCH 29, 6:00 AM Temperature at a nozzle feeding water to the reactor has risen to 614 degrees Fahrenheit, which is more than 100 degrees above the regular operating temperature of the reactor.

MARCH 29, 7:30 AM After draining water for more than four days into the condenser from the basement of the turbine buildings, the operation is suspended as the storage tank on the condenser nears capacity.

MARCH 29, 8:20 AM Plant workers switch from fire engines to an electrical pump to inject fresh water into the reactor.

MARCH 29, 12:00 PM Temperature at a nozzle feeding water to the reactor is 589 degrees Fahrenheit.

MARCH 29 Traces of niobium, tellurium :o :o :o, ruthenium, iodine and cesium — all products of fission — are found in the water trench under the reactor.

MARCH 30, 2:00 PM Temperature at a nozzle feeding water to the reactor has dropped to 518 degrees Fahrenheit, which remains higher than the normal operating temperature of the reactor.

MARCH 31, 9:20 AM Water accumulated in the vertical shaft of the reactor is transferred to a reservoir in the centralized environmental facility of the power plant. The transfer take two hours.

MARCH 31, 12:00 PM Water is pumped from the condenser’s storage tanks to storage tanks connected to the suppression pool in order to create more space to drain water from the turbine building.

MARCH 31, 1:03 PM Begin injecting water into the reactor using a concrete pumping vehicle.

APRIL 1, 6:00 AM The temperature at a nozzle that injects water into the reactor is 491 degrees Fahrenheit, which is below the operating temperature of the reactor, but much warmer than if the reactor was shut down.

APRIL 2, 2:00 PM The temperature at a nozzle that injects water into the reactor is 499 degrees Fahrenheit, up from 491 degrees the day before.

APRIL 2, 3:30 PM Operators finish pumping water from the condenser's storage tanks to storage tanks of the suppression water pool.

APRIL 3, 12:02 PM Begin injecting water from a motor-driven pump that is powered by electricity from a source outside the plant.

APRIL 3, 1:55 PM Begin transferring water from the condenser’s storage tanks to storage tanks connected to the water suppression pool.

APRIL 4, 9:15 PM The temperature at a nozzle that injects water into the reactor is 469 degrees Fahrenheit.

APRIL 5, 11:00 PM The temperature at a water nozzle injecting water into the reactor is 453 degrees Fahrenheit. Though the reactor is still warmer than if it were in a cold shut down, the temperature has fallen steadily over the last few days.

APRIL 6, 9:00 AM Concerns rise that hydrogen, which is highly explosive when it combines with oxygen, is building up in the reactor containment vessel. Operators begin to consider injecting nitrogen, which is an inert gas that can displace oxygen, reducing the risk of an explosion.

APRIL 6, 11:30 AM Highly levels of radioactivity are found in water in the basement of the turbine building.

APRIL 7, 1:31 AM Begin injecting nitrogen into the reactor containment vessel to reduce the risks of an explosion from hydrogen that might be building up in the reactor.

APRIL 10, 9:30 AM Finish transferring water from the condenser to a storage tank, freeing up the condenser to process radioactive water.

APRIL 10 The temperature at a nozzle near the top of the reactor that is injecting water into it is 455 degrees Fahrenheit.

APRIL 11, 10:45 AM Workers install a 120-meter wide fence around a breakwater to the South of the plant (which is near Reactor No. 1) to prevent radioactive water from spilling into the sea.

APRIL 11, 5:16 PM An earthquake of 7.1 magnitude cuts the off-site power and water injection into the reactor stops. Power is restored and water injection resumes at 6:04 PM. Injection of nitrogen to prevent a hydrogen explosion resumes at 11:34 PM.

APRIL 13 The temperature at a nozzle near the top of the reactor that is injecting water into it continues to improve; the temperature is 403 degrees Fahrenheit. But that is still well above the normal temperature (203 degrees) if the reactor were in cold shut down.

APRIL 14, 12:20 PM To prevent run-off of radioactive water to the sea, workers install a silt fence in front of a screen going to the reactor building.

APRIL 17, 11:15 AM Sandbags containing a radioactive absorption material (zeolite) are put in the screen pump rooms between reactors No. 1 and 2.

APRIL 17, 4:00 PM A remote-control robot finds radiation levels inside the reactor building are as high as 49 millisieverts per hour, which is too high to allow people to work inside it. (The limit for American workers is 50 per year.)

APRIL 26, 11:35 AM Radiation readings taken by a romote-control robot inside the reactor building are substantially the same as several days earlier and still too high for workers. The robot finds that there is no significant water leakage from the primary containment vessel.

APRIL 27, 10:02 AM In an effort to determine the proper water injection rate into the reactor to cool it, operators gradually increase the rate to about 3,700 gallons an hour from about 1,600 gallons an hour.

APRIL 28, 9:00 AM The water injection rate in the reactor is set at about 2,600 gallons an hour.

APRIL 29, 10:14 AM The water injection rate in the reactor is reduced to about 1,600 gallons an hour from 2,600 gallons.

APRIL 29, 11:36 AM A remote-controlled robot goes into the reactor building and finds no significant water leakage from the primary containment vessel.

CLOSE QUOTED PORTION

back later with some observations upon the above litany, and the gaps and gaffs therein...

beefsteak

[lapis]

wrt the Bob Nichols interview PatColo posted, Nichols talked about Strontium-90 basically decaying to Yttrium after several decades inside the human body, therefore being the basis for the epidemic of pancreatic disease including DIABETES.

I've been wondering what's caused the huge upsurge in pancreatic cancers and other diseases. This is something we never used to hear about, and now even movie stars are dying from it.

I just did a simple google search which yielded this information from a blog (http://peace4me521.wordpress.com/pancreatic-cancer-facts/)based on pancreatic cancer:

"According to the National Cancer Institute, 43,140 new cases of pancreatic cancer will be diagnosed this year (2010), and 36,800 people will die from this disease in 2010. The number of new cases and deaths caused by this deadly disease are increasing, and both of these statistics are higher than they were in 2009. According to an article by Smith and colleagues published in the Journal of Clinical Oncology (June 10, 2009 issue), the number of cases of pancreatic cancer is projected to increase by 55% by the year 2030. That’s a very scary statistic considering the death rate associated with pancreatic cancer has not changed in the past 2 decades. Will any progress be made over the next 2 decades?

Pancreatic cancer is currently the 4th leading cause of cancer-related death in the United States. Over the next 20 years, will this disease become the third-, the second-, or even the first-leading cause of cancer-related death as the survival rate associated with other cancers continues to decrease, but a huge increase is expected with cancer of the pancreas? The survival rate associated with pancreatic cancer is poor since it is typically diagnosed at an advanced stage."

According to cancer Doctor Nicholas Gonzalez (http://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/ExpertInterviewTranscripts/Interview-Gonzalez-on-Alternative-Cancer-Treatments.pdf), taking pancreatic enzymes helps with this a lot, and even with other cancers for some reason.

Unfortunately, he doesn't recommend any of the pancreatic enzymes sold in health food stores, because apparently they are based on an old technology. He gets his from New Zealand, and I've been thinking of getting them.





so he took 3.5 times the fatal dose, and in public, 3000 mgs Vit C intravenously, plus some antifungal med, and he survived (actually did not suffer at all)

All the doctors who got miraculous results with vitamin C (Klenner, Levy, etc.) gave it to their patients intravenously. Unfortunately, most regular conventional doctors aren't willing to do this for their patients (I guess they don't want to be out of business too soon). And I seriously doubt the layperson is "allowed" to buy or to give it to him/herself, or anyone else without a handy dandy medical license. But if I'm wrong about this, let me know!

[Large Sarge]

wrt the Bob Nichols interview PatColo posted, Nichols talked about Strontium-90 basically decaying to Yttrium after several decades inside the human body, therefore being the basis for the epidemic of pancreatic disease including DIABETES.

I've been wondering what's caused the huge upsurge in pancreatic cancers and other diseases. This is something we never used to hear about, and now even movie stars are dying from it.

I just did a simple google search which yielded this information from a blog (http://peace4me521.wordpress.com/pancreatic-cancer-facts/)based on pancreatic cancer:

"According to the National Cancer Institute, 43,140 new cases of pancreatic cancer will be diagnosed this year (2010), and 36,800 people will die from this disease in 2010. The number of new cases and deaths caused by this deadly disease are increasing, and both of these statistics are higher than they were in 2009. According to an article by Smith and colleagues published in the Journal of Clinical Oncology (June 10, 2009 issue), the number of cases of pancreatic cancer is projected to increase by 55% by the year 2030. That’s a very scary statistic considering the death rate associated with pancreatic cancer has not changed in the past 2 decades. Will any progress be made over the next 2 decades?

Pancreatic cancer is currently the 4th leading cause of cancer-related death in the United States. Over the next 20 years, will this disease become the third-, the second-, or even the first-leading cause of cancer-related death as the survival rate associated with other cancers continues to decrease, but a huge increase is expected with cancer of the pancreas? The survival rate associated with pancreatic cancer is poor since it is typically diagnosed at an advanced stage."

According to cancer Doctor Nicholas Gonzalez (http://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/ExpertInterviewTranscripts/Interview-Gonzalez-on-Alternative-Cancer-Treatments.pdf), taking pancreatic enzymes helps with this a lot, and even with other cancers for some reason.

Unfortunately, he doesn't recommend any of the pancreatic enzymes sold in health food stores, because apparently they are based on an old technology. He gets his from New Zealand, and I've been thinking of getting them.





so he took 3.5 times the fatal dose, and in public, 3000 mgs Vit C intravenously, plus some antifungal med, and he survived (actually did not suffer at all)

All the doctors who got miraculous results with vitamin C (Klenner, Levy, etc.) gave it to their patients intravenously. Unfortunately, most regular conventional doctors aren't willing to do this for their patients (I guess they don't want to be out of business too soon). And I seriously doubt the layperson is "allowed" to buy or to give it to him/herself, or anyone else without a handy dandy medical license. But if I'm wrong about this, let me know!

Well I am no expert on this, but I have been reading up (as they say)

you can fairly easily do intramuscular injections with vitamin C (formula is on the web), and if you are squeamish on needles, have your husband/boyfriend do it for you...

I find most of the use of intravenous and even intramuscualr shots of vitamin C are for "Acute" problems, i.e. poisoning, very late stage cancers, venoms, etc

the need is to get the blood level vitamin C up as high as possible, as quickly as possible.

now if a person were taking vitamin C (megadosing it), then the critical need is not there

2 things to consider here

1. "until bowel tolerance" for vitmain C, has to do with osmotic pressure, the amount of vitamin C in the colon is greater than the amount in the bloodstream, and the vitamin c flows out of the colon, and into the bloodstream (make sense?). when the bloodstream is saturated with vitamin C and so is the colon, well you can get "loose stools"

3. Levy and Klenner found that sugar competes with insulin to help shuttle in vitamin C into the cell, so avoiding sugars helps. this is part of the reason why refined sugars are so bad, they "crowd out" all the vitmain C your body needs.

HTH
Sarge

[PatColo]

Rense radio show tonight, 19:00 - 22:00 PT, then repeating the following 3 hours. Tonight:

MONDAY
May 2, 2011

Michel Chossudovsky
Global Research Report

pending

From Japan
Yoichi Shimatsu

So Shimatsu is certainly on again (been every Mon) in the 3rd hour (beginning 21:00 PT), 2nd hour up for grabs, should update later today

listen:
http://www.renseradio.com/listenlive.htm


Show is repeating now. 2nd hour is
Dr. Bill Deagle
Fukushima Update

So that hour will repeat shortly 23:00 PT, then after that Shimatsu's hour. I've got mixed feelings about Deagle at best, he tends to be sensationalistic in his claims, on the doomier end of doomerism, a little too certain of himself- some dubious performances in his past (IE his role in 911 Truth) give me skepticism that he's not an agitprop tool. In any case he's on shortly.
http://www.renseradio.com/listenlive.htm

[Serpo]

Where is all that Fukushima radiation going, and why does it matter?


<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/23186557?title=0&amp;byline=0&amp;portrait=0" width="400" height="225" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/23186557">Where is all that Fukushima radiation going, and why does it matter?</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user6415562">Fairewinds Associates</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

[Kali]

Is it safe to let the kids drink milk now here in CA?

[beefsteak]

PatColo,
Thank you for your thoughtful reminder of Yoichi's Monday night interview. It was worth staying up for.

The biggest blessing/benefit/educational/informative/actionable guidance came when Rense got Yo to talking about Phytoremediation that he's over there teaching the Japanese farmers about, which is so critical in the first year after a radiation dump on the land via fallout. That was worth the sleep I forfeited.

THANKS AGAIN!

beefsteak

[SLV^GLD]

Is it safe to let the kids drink milk now here in CA?
Of course it is, the sun is burning all that radiation off faster than it can be released. No worries about bio-accumulation or your kids' futures.

[sirgonzo420]

Is it safe to let the kids drink milk now here in CA?
Of course it is, the sun is burning all that radiation off faster than it can be released. No worries about bio-accumulation or your kids' futures.


for those who have trouble detecting it, that was sarcasm.


lol

[Large Sarge]

Is it safe to let the kids drink milk now here in CA?
Of course it is, the sun is burning all that radiation off faster than it can be released. No worries about bio-accumulation or your kids' futures.


already addressed the chelating properties of high dose vitamin C

Vitamin C protects against thallium, which is considered much more toxic than strontium

Vitamin C protects against radiation damage.

I am sorry your theory based on 1/1000% of a percent of data was skewed...


its not really your fault, so do not take it so personal, some scientist somewhere put that out there.... likely in good faith...

[lapis]

Where is all that Fukushima radiation going, and why does it matter?

I have very little patience for videos, especially ones that have very important information that I need to write down. And there's a link to a transcript of it, but it seems to be an empty one for now. Grrrr!

[keehah]

I remember last March about a week after the reactor(s) exploded a strange moment on CBC Radio.

During the morning show, the woodhead Rick Cluff just finished a segment he summed up by saying that the radiation was nothing to worry about. He then spend a few seconds on the days weather and advised everyone that if they were going to be outside today be sure and use your sunscreen!

That was in March, in Canada! ::)


Of course if you know the truth its quite logical. All his taxpayer funded advice destroys one's health.

Same for financial health. He has dished PM investing for the last 4 years saying it was a bad investment, but changed toon last fall. He then admitted PM were one of the best investments of the last 10 years but really warned people to 'stay away from the bubble' (silver was just over $20). ;D

The only area Cliff is competent talking about is Sports. Which of course the taxpayer funded programmers decide they need to talk about a lot.

[beefsteak]

Is it safe to let the kids drink milk now here in CA?

Kali,
it is a personal choice, obviously. However, having spent some time reading some of your past postings, it is clear you are really into healthy body, healthy mind, healthy living. There is no radiated milk products available at my house for family, nor guests. That includes Children. If you have some time to looking through this topic for the keyword, Milk, you may find supportive data for your decision not to feed milk to your children, most especially at this point in history.

People in transition phases between cow on the ground and stashed cow in the pantry are probably considering strongly making their own "rice milk" which would be far safer--especially using last year's rice for example as your soaking stock--even with which to cook in days going forward.

Hope this helps. Welcome to the thread!

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

I remember last March about a week after the reactor(s) exploded a strange moment on CBC Radio.

During the morning show, the woodhead Rick Cluff just finished a segment he summed up by saying that the radiation was nothing to worry about. He then spend a few seconds on the days weather and advised everyone that if they were going to be outside today be sure and use your sunscreen!

That was in March, in Canada! ::)

Keehah,
THAT was priceless. Thanks for sharing! :D

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

I have very little patience for videos, especially ones that have very important information that I need to write down. And there's a link to a transcript of it, but it seems to be an empty one for now. Grrrr!


Thanks, Serpo! I'd have missed that newest Gunderson one if you hadn't pointed it out!

Lapis,
we all share in your frustration at the paucity of time to allot to topics upon which we place importance.

For the sake of the little ones in your charge, I continue to hope you persevere.

My takeaways from the newest FaireWinds nuke company vimeo (remember they are downloadable via KEEPVID.COM) are a shade different that other viewers I suspect. My frustration lies in the "datasets" being in the hands of experts who in turn blend it into pablum and then dispense it. Make no mistake, I think Mrs. Gunderson, owner and founder and obviously wife of Nuke Engineer, Arnie, did an excellent job of being on camera, being real, and distilling questions fielded from all over, when presenting them to her guest expert from that Polytech outfit.

My frustration was with the Polytech guy.

He kept discussing particles! I get it!!! As in others "get it," too. So, What???!!! Tiny Glowing Radioactive poisons sticking onto, dusting up, being inhaled and being ingested are supposed to make us feel better simply because they are "tiny?????" That makes no sense.

CELLS are tiny. Capillaries are Tiny. Viruses are Tiny. Bacteria are Tiny. Atoms are Tiny. So, size matters...now there's a shocker. >:(s,

It was subtle but it was clearly inferred: tiny size particles equates to infrequent occurrence, meaning NO PROBLEMO. Don't Worry. Be Happy. Eat Drink Get Married. Tomorrow is when you die. Makes no difference how.

Now, THERE's flawed logic if I ever heard it!!! All Mr. Poly did was AVOID anything of substance in the way of his responses with one teeeeeny tiny, minute particle exception.

Ever try to split a single atom "particle??? What happens, Mr. Poly'spert????"

That patronizing "tiny focus" by the "expert" grated on one of the few synapses not already truncated by being Fukushima nuked already in this living, breathing, injesting soul!!!!

The OTHER point of his discussion was the emphasis on "testing." That's all well and good, also. HOWEVER!
Teach us how to test for ourselves. This is the age of gadgets and handheld units like Antonio already secured and are still available for $400-ish, and being brandished over fresh veggies by eager Fukushima open air market veggie sellers and fish sellers. RECOMMEND ONE fer gawd's sakes, Mr. Expert. Don't expect the world to stop and listen--like the old E.F. Hutton commercials--for drippings from your "expert lips" when you get around to sharing with plebes like us. You stated you had set up stations x, y and z places. Well, how often are you reading them? It's been 8 weeks already, don't you have anyTHING substantive to say. YET???

How in the name of all that is holy--regardless of belief system-- are we mere laity supposed to conduct our own tests? Our own remediations? Our own mitigations? Are we supposed to fork over money to climb the "short list" so that we can sit in the Nave of Westminster Abbey, as opposed to throng along the sidewalks hoping for a royal wave or fleeting glimpse of truth.

If we are alive enough to be breathing, ingesting, thinking, and mitigating, then we are old enough to hear the truth and go get some truth and then exercise our God Given freedom of choice to act or ignore.

But cut the parsed pablum. Doesn't taste any better than creamed peas that made our own youngsters spit up at every meal...even tho' peas were "good for'em.....

OH, YES!!!!
the one teensy tiny "particle" of actual fact he did let slip out? Was about vegetables that replace the calcium fixing properties in their nutrients with the poisonous cesium, etc. After last night's Rense audio with phyto-remediator researcher currently in Tokyo helping the concerned farmers there Shimatsu, I understood that "particle" of substantive fact Mr. Poly let slip out.

God forbid we all quit eating poisoned, commercially grown vegetables which have replaced calcium with cesium in their growing cycle. It's better if we all get back to studying the "real birth certificate...."

Why, the WORLD would come to an end if we performed veggie abstinence.... :sarc: Those are Temple Secrets!

Kudo's to Mrs Gunderson, who I hope does a "Jethro Gibb's upside the head" of diNozo Mr. Poly!!!!

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Potassium Veggies... (according to Shimatsu AND MR. POLYTECH'spert on today's Gunderson vimeo: potassium is replaced by radioactive cesium when cesium is available)

http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/beefsteak_GIM/Chart-1.jpg

[beefsteak]

Calcium Veggies ---(according to Shimatsu: calcium is replaced by radioactive Strontium when available)

http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/beefsteak_GIM/Chart.jpg

[gunDriller]

Where is all that Fukushima radiation going, and why does it matter?

I have very little patience for videos, especially ones that have very important information that I need to write down. And there's a link to a transcript of it, but it seems to be an empty one for now. Grrrr!


i'm the same way. i have to be in the mood. and normally when i listen to a video, i like to listen to an entertainment video.

for example, i'm about to listen to iRobot, the movie with Will Smith about Sunny, the wayward Special Edition N5 robot made by ... US Robotics.


but on the Web - i usually don't listen to the many videos people post. i know a lot of them are good, e.g. the David Duke video someone just posted.


and what really bugs me ... videos that are primarily text. if i am listening to a video, i want to see something educational, like the Discovery Channel had something on gold-mining in Alaska. it was totally real-life, they were trying to get from 2 ounces to 20 ounces of finished gold before the snow came in.

[crazychicken]

Beefsteak,

Thanks for the calcium and potassium charts. I found them very informative.

CC

[osoab]

Where is all that Fukushima radiation going, and why does it matter?

I have very little patience for videos, especially ones that have very important information that I need to write down. And there's a link to a transcript of it, but it seems to be an empty one for now. Grrrr!


i'm the same way. i have to be in the mood. and normally when i listen to a video, i like to listen to an entertainment video.

for example, i'm about to listen to iRobot, the movie with Will Smith about Sunny, the wayward Special Edition N5 robot made by ... US Robotics.


but on the Web - i usually don't listen to the many videos people post. i know a lot of them are good, e.g. the David Duke video someone just posted.


and what really bugs me ... videos that are primarily text. if i am listening to a video, i want to see something educational, like the Discovery Channel had something on gold-mining in Alaska. it was totally real-life, they were trying to get from 2 ounces to 20 ounces of finished gold before the snow came in.


Uh, gD, you do know that the Gold Rush Alaska show was an entirely staged thing. There was nothing real about it.

[beefsteak]

Beefsteak,

Thanks for the calcium and potassium charts. I found them very informative.

CC


You're welcome, CC!

I'd heard about avoiding Japanese Spinach and No. California Strawberries already being radioactive contaminated. Like everyone else, I've heard we only need to "wash off the outsides of the leaves/fruit" before eating them. But I did NOT know until last night, that "the dust on the leaves" is not the entirety of the contamination. Journalist and guest, Yoichi Shimatsu did Rense listeners last night quite the service in doing the association thing, so that when Mr. Poly let it slip t'day, it clicked for me.

This strontium/calcium exchange thing which then decaying from strontium into yttrium-- causing pancreatic cancer and diabetes-- well, a cow is something I just can't wash, y'know? :oo--> And if I can't wash the cow, how the heck am I supposed to "wash" the milk?

Now--after finding these 2 charts--I know what I'm going to be able to focus on gowing in our transition hydroponics garden, yes, using pure water for sure. And the hydro-trimmings are going to serve as feedstock for "fertilizer tea" and hydro-compost for next year. What journey this is........

These two charts are like a grocery shopping list for growers like me who want a balanced diet.

Glad you found it useful.

beefsteak

[crazychicken]

What would be the required/suggested/reccomended dosage of vitamin C for maximum protection?

Any suggestions.

My apologies if it has been posted and I didn't see it.

Thanks

CC

[beefsteak]

CC,
that is an excellent question, and one I hope to have the best response available to me by this weekend, as I pick the brain of a superb nutritionist/aleopathic provider as well, who is very tuned in to the nutrition thing.

All I can say that I know for sure is:
mega dose means "whatever is over MDAR guidelines" which doesn't tell me jack, frankly. For example,
a friend of mine who pops pills regularly, and has one of those sunlight deals for living where it is damp and cold alot like that deputy in the old Men in Trees Alaska TV situ/drama series,...was put on 10,000 mg 2x a day for 2 weeks of Vit D, and then reduced to 10K 2x a day, and is now at 5K 1x daily. They told me it was 6 months before their Vit D profile numbers (from before compared to after bloodwork) confirmed the levels were back into a normal range for them. Now, THAT I would call a megadose. ;D

The minimum adult reco dosage for Vit D is 400 units, based upon, my research shows, how much D was in a teaspoon of Cod Liver oil from the Pre-Victorian era. Now that's just plain stupid in my books to make that a "minimum daily requirement level." So much for definitive research, eh? Thanks, Great Granny for the CL Oil. :yuk

So, I'm going to find out what is a mega dose for Vit C from a real researcher, now that the thread has made a convincing case for Vit C. I think MDR for C is "60mg." Probably if I'd surf and chase that "MDR 60mg" down, it is the amount of Vit C in the apple shot off the head of his son by William Tell. :sarc: Personally, I think I might be more impressed if I knew the apple variety and size which awakened Newton from his snooze under the apple tree.... ::)

The Vit D. deal acc'd to the 'net has only been really studied/explored in the last 30months as best I can tell from surfing the 'net. Maybe some "updates on this chelating with Vit C thing will emerge shortly with this 10x lethal dosage of radioactivity circling the globe new reality since 3/11/2011.

Like you, I'm interested in that answer if we are all now left up to "self-chelating........"

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

UC-Berkley has released it's latest Radioactive Iodine #131, #132, plus Cesium #134, #137, and Te #132, which thank God came up in the Non-Detectable category, as opposed to the Areva Report Showing Radioactive Te #132 in Fukushima expelled matter. In answer to where did the Te-132 come from, that answer appears to be in the machined steel utilized in these particular reactors. Evidently Te-132 makes steel "more machinable." Question: Wasn't steel machinable prior to adding Te-132...in the good old days? Good Grief!!!! This Te-132 addition to Steel does NOT pass the smell test.

The following categories had samples collected and analyzed by UC-B:

Topsoil
Grass
Will Mushrooms
Seaweed
Spinach
Strawberries
Cilantro
Kale
Arugula

ALL samples collected in April, thru 21st of April in most categories

God Bless UC Berkeley. They've got more guts than the US EPA it continues to be demonstrated.

http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/2525

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Speaking of Rense and Yoichi Shimatsu interview 5/2; (thanks again PatColo for the reminder!!) Shimatsu spoke about two of the best plants for phytoremediation of contaminated soil.

They are Sunflowers and Mustard.

To do the deed, let them grow to maturity, then pull up the whole plant to dispose of it. It's important to do this phytoremediation in the 1st year before the radioactivity percolates too far down into the soil, making it
harder to reclaim.

Now, one has to dispose of the radioactivity safely and sanely. More when more details emerge. :oo-->

Thinking everyone who has ever heard of a sunflower would recognize a sunflower as opposed to the "blackeyed susan" plant instead of a true sunflower"
http://edu.glogster.com/media/4/17/3/30/17033026.jpg


TRUE SUNFLOWER:
http://www.nps.gov/wica/naturescience/images/Annual-Sunflower.jpg

=========================
...a quick search turned up these images for the adult mustard plant.

Good grief, I had no idea they grew this tall! No wonder they suck up radiation.
http://carlaynix.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/mustard-plant1-496x1024.jpg

http://www.apriliani.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/mustard-plant.jpg

LEAF HERE...
http://www.vegetablegardener.com/assets/uploads/posts/3477/kg19-mustard_07_lg.jpg

Tuberous root type here...
http://www.kathrynkennedywinery.com/indepth/sustain_images/mustard_plant_roots.jpg

Considered a weed simply because it grows where one doesn't want it I reckon, might wish to brush up on controlling this mustard plant after the soil is remediated. Never heard of Sunflowers being called a weed, but I reckon anything is possible.

Look at the ratio of top to tuberous root on that mustard plant. One site says mechanical cultivation controls this annual weed of mustard, which propagates by seeds only.

Don't kill the messenger. Tell'em Shimatsu told you about mustard phytoremediation...

beefsteak

[Serpo]

looks like a live feed.............bit hard to read ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck_KEILBLlU&feature=player_embedded[youtube]

[Large Sarge]

What would be the required/suggested/reccomended dosage of vitamin C for maximum protection?

Any suggestions.

My apologies if it has been posted and I didn't see it.

Thanks

CC


you can take it until "bowel tolerance", meaning until you get loose stools.

depending on age, weight, general health, various exposures, etc everyone is slightly different.

try 10 grams a day (divided doses), take some after meals.

if you have solid stools at that dose, increase it until stool gets loose, then back off slightly

[Large Sarge]

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[gunDriller]

Uh, gD, you do know that the Gold Rush Alaska show was an entirely staged thing. There was nothing real about it.


seemed real.

you mean those guys driving their trucks and with all those grills for capturing the sludge & borrowing from their family to buy gas - they staged all that just to make a TV show ?

[Neuro]

One thought re the foods that contain a lot of calcium, which is a good thing to load up on in environments with radioactive strontium. Since calcium and strontium is chemically similar, isn't it a possibility that those foods may have high levels of radioactive strontium, apart from high levels of calcium, if grown during a period of radioactive release?

[Large Sarge]

smoke rising from reactors 2,3, 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1qID45rFJ0&feature=player_embedded

[crazychicken]

Thank you LS.

I found a source for bulk purchasing Asorbic Acid. Your dosing suggestions are quite welcome to us.

CC





What would be the required/suggested/reccomended dosage of vitamin C for maximum protection?

Any suggestions.

My apologies if it has been posted and I didn't see it.

Thanks

CC


you can take it until "bowel tolerance", meaning until you get loose stools.

depending on age, weight, general health, various exposures, etc everyone is slightly different.

try 10 grams a day (divided doses), take some after meals.

if you have solid stools at that dose, increase it until stool gets loose, then back off slightly

[Large Sarge]

here is a great site for vitamin C

simply amazing info

http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/198x/smith-lh-clinical_guide_1988.htm

[sirgonzo420]

Wal-Mart has Vitamin C on sale for $20 per bottle of 500 tablets @ 1000 mg each.

That's the cheapest I've found it.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Spring-Valley-Natural-C-Vitamin-With-Rose-Hips-Dietary-Supplement-500-ct/882264

[Large Sarge]

Wal-Mart has Vitamin C on sale for $20 per bottle of 500 tablets @ 1000 mg each.

That's the cheapest I've found it.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Spring-Valley-Natural-C-Vitamin-With-Rose-Hips-Dietary-Supplement-500-ct/882264


one thing I will say on the vitamin c

the capsules are easier to swallow than the tablets, and when you are gobbling down 10+ a day, everyday, well "ease of use" has its merits...

Also, although I cannot prove it, I wonder if tablets are always completely dissolved/digested?

for the record, I use capsules not tablets, and no I do not sell vitamin C, do your own pricing and shopping

[Horn]

Wal-Mart has Vitamin C on sale for $20 per bottle of 500 tablets @ 1000 mg each.

That's the cheapest I've found it.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Spring-Valley-Natural-C-Vitamin-With-Rose-Hips-Dietary-Supplement-500-ct/882264


Do the Rose hips keep the gonzo from chaffing? :D

[Cobalt]

Wal-Mart has Vitamin C on sale for $20 per bottle of 500 tablets @ 1000 mg each.

That's the cheapest I've found it.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Spring-Valley-Natural-C-Vitamin-With-Rose-Hips-Dietary-Supplement-500-ct/882264


$14.89 @ Costco
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=10015954&search=vitamin+c&Mo=6&cm_re=1_en-_-Top_Left_Nav-_-Top_search&lang=en-US&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&Sp=S&N=5000043&whse=BC&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntk=Text_Search&Dr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ne=4000000&D=vitamin+c&Ntt=vitamin+c&No=1&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Nty=1&topnav=&s=1

[Book]

It is important to note that all of the radiation levels detected by RadNet monitors and sampling have been very low, are well below any level of public health concern, and continue to decrease overtime.

Daily Data Summary

Due to the consistent decrease in radiation levels across the country associated with the Japanese nuclear incident, EPA will update the daily data summary page only when new data are posted. Historical daily data summaries will continue to be accessible from this webpage.

http://www.epa.gov/japan2011/data-updates.html

:o

[Cobalt]

It is important to note that all of the radiation levels detected by RadNet monitors and sampling have been very low, are well below any level of public health concern, and continue to decrease overtime.

Daily Data Summary

Due to the consistent decrease in radiation levels across the country associated with the Japanese nuclear incident, EPA will update the daily data summary page only when new data are posted. Historical daily data summaries will continue to be accessible from this webpage.

http://www.epa.gov/japan2011/data-updates.html

:o


Ha ha

That's funny because the state here a few days ago said basically the levels are so low they will no longer do daily testing and start relying on the EPA for the info

[lapis]

In response to the EPA's latest announcement, the WhatReallyHappened.com site posted this old 2006 news story:

"Insider: EPA Lied About WTC Air (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/08/earlyshow/main1985804.shtml)"

A scientist for the Environmental Protection Agency is charging that the agency lied when it claimed the air at ground zero was safe to breathe in the weeks after the 9/11 attacks.

In an exclusive interview, Cate Jenkins. Ph.D., tells The Early Show national correspondent Tracy Smith that wasn't so, and EPA officials knew it, but covered up the truth.

Many workers who sifted through the wreckage have since come down with serious respiratory illnesses.

[beefsteak]

Wal-Mart has Vitamin C on sale for $20 per bottle of 500 tablets @ 1000 mg each.

That's the cheapest I've found it.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Spring-Valley-Natural-C-Vitamin-With-Rose-Hips-Dietary-Supplement-500-ct/882264


one thing I will say on the vitamin c

the capsules are easier to swallow than the tablets, and when you are gobbling down 10+ a day, everyday, well "ease of use" has its merits...

Also, although I cannot prove it, I wonder if tablets are always completely dissolved/digested?

for the record, I use capsules not tablets, and no I do not sell vitamin C, do your own pricing and shopping


Large Sarge,
I've always practiced--at least since someone told me about the various types of coatings on pills--to take one and place it in a glass or coffee cup of water for 24 hours. If it dissolves, then I take it. If it doesn't I TAKE IT BACK FOR A REFUND.

There are some meds which are time release/a.k.a., SR or Sustained Release. The med "weeps out" through a tiny drilled hole in the center of the tablet after the stomach acid (HCl dissolves that bit of coating.) The first time I passed one "still visually intact" I called the Dr.'s nurse. She then explained about the little bitty hole and the weeping medication routine. I still prefer the tablets that dissolve in water overnight.

Hope this helps.

beefsteak

[lapis]

I've had the best luck with a capsuled vitamin C from VitaCost.com, but now I can't remember which one it is. I think it's this one (http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-Advan-C-with-Quercetin-Citrus-Bioflavonoids/?vbnpid=28620).

Recently I came across information on liposomal vitamin C, which supposedly can cure cancer, but I haven't tried it yet. Mainly because you need an Ultra-Sonic Cleaner. Here it is in case you want to give it a try:

http://www.pdazzler.com/archives/62

(Updated December 2010) On a fairly regular basis Bill Sardi generates something of great importance to those challenged with cancer. This past year was no exception. Bill has done the legwork to locate and post (complete with links to backup studies) evidence that Liposomal Vitamin C is capable of killing cancer.

While many have long held the suspicion oral Liposomal Vitamin C would kill cancer cells (just as intravenous Vitamin C) we lacked proof or studies to back up that belief. Well, no longer.

Posted January 2010 is a terrific Bill Sardi article titled “Researchers Achieve Cancer-Killing Effect With Oral-Dose Vitamin C (http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi144.html)“. Read it carefully and make judicious use of the supporting links.

[Large Sarge]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeU--wadrMY

[Large Sarge]

found this little ultrasonic cleaner for $23.00 (not spamming here)

http://www.outletpc.com/c6378.html?gclid=CO_Xv9650KgCFcK77QodWW0_iQ

[SLV^GLD]

Also, although I cannot prove it, I wonder if tablets are always completely dissolved/digested?
Put one in a glass of water and swirl it every 5 minutes for an hour or so. I would bet it falls apart pretty quickly. Generally, that tablet is nothing more than the capsule except some inert binders which are designed to come apart when wetted and/or heated. If plain water and swirling breaks it down you can bet body temps, stomach and intestinal action and enzymes will do an even better job.

[Serpo]

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[sirgonzo420]

Uplifting, as always.

[Cobalt]

IAEA: Contaminated water may reach US West Coast

The International Atomic Energy Agency says radioactive water leaked from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant in northeastern Japan may reach the West Coast of North America in one or 2 years.

more
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/06_16.html

[gunDriller]

IAEA: Contaminated water may reach US West Coast

The International Atomic Energy Agency says radioactive water leaked from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant in northeastern Japan may reach the West Coast of North America in one or 2 years.

more
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/06_16.html


to me this sounds like "Damage Control Central".

they have a news item about the radiation slowly making its way via the ocean ... when it's already hear via the atmosphere.

[PatColo]

I aint vouching for it, just passing it on, 8)


Fukushima Plutonium Meets
Chemtrail Barium - The Perfect Crime? (http://rense.com/general93/crime.htm)
By Dick Eastman
4-27-11


Let me summarize in the simplest terms what I said in my earlier message (which I have included below.)

Assuming you already know Fukushima is a "dirty bomb" aimed at the US, I suggest that it is not the perpetrators intention that California, Oregon etc. be permanently contaminated with plutonium as are villages downwind of Chernobyl.

What they want it to reduce our population and degrade the health and level of functioning of the survivors, but to save the prime real estate in habitable condition for themselves.

To accomplish this they are sending enduring plutonium over in small quantities only to create a weapons factory in the sky from which will come highly unstable (short-half-life) radioactive isotopes of barium and lanthanum. These isotopes will be produced in this way:

The plutonium emits at very high speed heavy particles consisting of two neutrons and two protons in nuclear bond. These "bullets" are called alpha particles, and they only slow down by colliding with other matter. The closer the target to the plutonium atom that emits the alpha particle the greater the probability of it being hit hard.

When an alpha particle moving it its initial very high speed hits the nucleus of very close barium atom, the barium will no longer continue as the same stable low-radition isotope it was before. It will no longer have the same number of protons and/or neutrons as before. It will be come a highly radioactive isotope of lanthanum or of barium, that will last only a short time because of its inherent instability. It's half life may only be a few minutes, a few hours or a few days depending on which isotope is formed (see list below).

It is these isotopes that will attack our the molecule of the critical cells of our organs and our genetic endowment. This will be the atomic attack -- all during a series of beautiful spring days and you won't suspect a thing. And after the killer isotopes have vanished -- transforming into less radioactive isotopes with much longer half-lives, as it were vanishing in the crowd of not-so-low "background radiation" sources -- there will be no way of telling that the crime was committed. All the global conspirators have to do is keep tests from being to frequent and too thorough and in a very short the evidence will be gone.

For this airborne weapons factory to succeed it is necessary that the plutonium get very close to a lot of barium atoms -- close enough so that the statistical probability of obtaining the desired amount of killer isotope will be attained. To accomplish that the skies have been salted with barium in a number of ways, but mostly by depositing it in the sky by jet airplane.

Two decades of <http://www.rense.com/general79/barium.htm>clandestine weather modification using barium cloud deposited where high-speed computer models/simulations -- but such good models and such high speed computers that the simulation can actually extrapolate accurately ahead of real time -- so they can, by the right intervention affecting surface temperature and thus pressure -- steer weather systems -- they are now able to do a similarly amazing thing by computing how much barium and how much plutonium must be suspended in the air at given temperatures to create the number of collisions to obtain the number of killer isotopes to do the damage they want done. The isotopes will do their job and change into more stable and common matter even as the damage to us has already been done and we won't begin seeing the harm until later.

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington

p.s. There may be other components to this "precision dirty bomb" warfare -- but I am confident that I correctly understand at least this much of it.


*These "bullets" emitted from plutonium are called alpha particles. Because they hit other particles their kinetic energy is soon diffused in the atmosphere -- like the cue ball in billiards breaks the racked balls transferring its motion to them and slowing to the speed at which all the other balls are moving -- the effective range for hitting a barium nucleus with sufficient energy is very short.

[lapis]

I aint vouching for it, just passing it on, 8)

Fukushima Plutonium Meets
Chemtrail Barium - The Perfect Crime? (http://rense.com/general93/crime.htm)

I'm sorry if I've already mentioned this before, but in the Dr. Mercola interview with cancer doctor Nicholas Gonzalez (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/the-cancer-treatment-so-successful-traditional-doctors-shut-it-down/), Gonzalez says something that makes me wonder if he knows about chemtrails:

There‘s so much pollution in the air. A little known fact is that heavy metals can be aerosolized. There are heavy metals in the air. China is dumping tons of aluminum into the air. You don‘t have to use aluminum plastic bands anymore to get aluminum. All you have to do is breathe and most of us have to breathe. You‘re going to take aluminum in just from breathing, courtesy of the Midwest and China, from our own industry as well as the Chinese industry, which is totally unregulated.

Heavy metals are a constant problem. We virtually have our entire practice detoxified from heavy metals with sodium alginate every six months. We just find it necessary. Fifteen years ago it wasn‘t as big an issue, but we‘ve seen the change in our own practice.

[Horn]

Hopefully all a failed attempt at shielding the entire British isle from a comet blast. :oo--> ;D

[Serpo]

ntral Japan (VIDEO)
KYODO NEWS ADVISORY: 5.3 quake centered in Fukushima »

Email from Japanese gov’t officials says high density radiation will be released May 8 if situation continues
May 6th, 2011 at 05:55 AM





The Phantom Draft Energy Agency, Taro Kono, member of Japan’s House of Representatives, May 5, 2011:

Google Translation

The three went through the mail came from the bureaucracy of young attachment energy agency.

Sono Hazime

Integrating the entire TEPCO Group meeting minutes of May 1 the government.

Release is made with a high concentration of 8 days will be like this.

From assistant Hosono, this case is very important on the go to the next step, such as installation of heat exchangers, and (the future in terms that can be discharged out of the radioactive material) during discharge of contaminated water avoid repeating mistakes, officials close to the sharing of information we want working with high sensitivity, which was said.

An ENENEWS reader adds:

My partner who is Japanese brought this blog post to my attention. It is from Taro Kono, who is in the house of representatives (LDP, opposition to current government):

In particular this section:

“エネ庁の若手官僚から添付ファイルが3通ついたメールが来た。 その一 5月1日の政府・東電統合本部全体会合の議事録。 『このままいくと8日にも高濃度の放出が行われる。』 『細野補佐官から,本件は熱交換機の設置といった次のステップに進む上で非常に重要である,また,(今後, 放射性物質が外に排出され得るという点で,)汚染水排出の際の失敗を繰り返さないよう,関係者 は情報共有を 密に行い,高い感度を持って取り組んで欲しい,とする発言があった。』”

Translation (non-literal and our understanding):

I received 3 emails with attachments from junior government officials in the energy department.

The first email:

Minutes of meeting between TEPCO and the government on the 1st May. “If the current situation continues, high density radiation will be released on the 8th May.” “Mr Hosono said: It is very important to go to the next step regarding the installation of the heat exchanger machine. For the concerned parties, be careful of the sharing of information with high sensitivity so that the same mistakes aren’t made again like the release of the radiated water previously.

The second and third emails aren’t related so we didn’t translate it. It isn’t clear from the text the way the radiation will be released. ie airborne or via water.

The aforementioned energy department English homepage is this: http://www.enecho.meti.go.jp/english/index.htm

Perhaps those who are following the work and/or parameters of the reactors could hypothesise what they are thinking about doing.

Read more:
IAEA: White “smoke” continues to be emitted from units No. 2 and 3
IAEA: If radioactivity continues from Fukushima, health hazard to USA “may have to be reassessed” – CNN (VIDEO)
Person living 170 miles from Fukushima shows “dangerously high radiation levels”
Japan gov’t covered up high level radioactivity estimates far from exclusion zone
Japan’s nuclear commission reveals Fukushima may have emitted more radioactive material than official Chernobyl totals

May 6th, 2011 | Tags: Japan, Nuclear, radiation | Category: Coverups?, Forecast, Radioactive Releases

http://enenews.com/email-from-japanese-govt-officials-says-high-density-radiation-will-be-released-on-may-8-if-current-situation-continues

[PatColo]

I see Rense just posted this one, was live last Mon.

Yoichi Shimatsu
Japan Update 5.2.11
Free MP3 - Listen (http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_Shimatsu_050211.mp3)

if recent history repeats, Shimatsu will be live guest again tomorrow night, Mon 5/9. Can confirm at rense.com (http://rense.com/), left pane, a few page-downs. Also posted there currently are these stories re fukushima, check the page for hyperlinks,

Real Time World Earthquake Monitor

TEPCO - Doors Of #1 Reactor Building Will Open Soon - Vid

German Stations Picking Up Fukushisma Radiation

Gunderson - Fukushima Mox Explosion, Air/Water Contamination - Vid

Hamaoka: 'World's Most Dangerous' Nuclear Power Plant Is Closed Down'

There MAY Be A Two Year Window IF No More Big Quakes Hit

Japan Lawmaker - 'Move Parliament To Fukushima'

Bad Water Valve Found In Japan Nuclear Plant - Vid

Japan PM Calls For Nuke Plant To Shut Down - Quake Risk

Wilkerson Prophecy - Quakes In Japan And US

6.1 Quake Off Fukushima Area - No Damage Reports

5.3 Quake Hits Fukushima Area

Belgium Finds Radioactive Cesium On Japan Containers

Leaking Radiation Being Blown Right Back Over Japan

Smoke Rising From Fukushima Reactors 2, 3 & 4 - Vid

Emissions Still Pouring From Wrecked Fukshima Nuclear Plant - Pics

Workers Enter Reactor Bldg #1 To Install Air Ducts - Vid

Japan Govt Urges Onagwa Plant Owners To Protect Public

EPA Will No Longer Monitor Radioactivity From Fukushima!

Seafloor Radiation 1,000x Normal 20km From Fukushima

Cumulative Radiation In Japan Town Passes 20 Milli-Sieverts In 40 Days

Fukushima - What They Aren't Saying

No Protection For Fukushima's 'Expendable' Citizens Or Us

Where Is Fukushima Radiation Going, Why Does It Matter - Vid

US Chart Showing Precipitation
Radiation Types & Amounts

Live National Radiation Network Map

West LA - Santa Monica Live Readings

Radiation And Jet Stream Forecast Monitoring Sites

German Stations Picking Up Fukushisma Radiation

There MAY Be A Two Year Window IF No More Big Quakes Hit

Feds Refuse Extra Radiation Testing Of Milk, Water

How Radiation Affects Children And Fetuses

UC Berkeley - Radioactivity Up In Topsoil In SF Area

US Agency Abandons Public In Monitoring Japan Radiation

Chile Finds Radioactivity In Korean Cars

RadNet Idiocy - The BullShitNet

Fukushima Plutonium, Strontium Are HERE In The US Since March 18

Helen Caldicott On The Japan Radiation Disaster - Vid

More...

[keehah]

I aint vouching for it, just passing it on, 8)


Fukushima Plutonium Meets
Chemtrail Barium - The Perfect Crime? (http://rense.com/general93/crime.htm)
By Dick Eastman 4-27-11

You may be on to something..... My half educated guess is aluminum exposure is a bigger problem in our states.

Besides population poisoning, global temperature modification and directing communication signals ( :-\ ), does Barium and Aluminum in jet fuel serve similar lubricating purposes that lead in fuel did?

And figured I would document some 'official' mentions of Barium in Jet fuel.

http://www.als.net/forum/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=44771

Neurotoxicology Vol. 29, Issue 4, (July, 2008) p. 751 DOI: 10.1016/j.neuro.2008.05.001
TESTING FOR CESIUM AND BARIUM IN PATIENTS WITH AMYOTROPHIC LATERAL SCLEROSIS
Donna C. King Biophysics Institute for Optimum Applied Systems, Arlington, Virginia, USA

Recently, an association of cesium and barium with motor neuron disease was also found using inductively coupled plasma mass spectrometry. A Toxic Element Clearance Profile was performed by Genova Diagnostics on a sixty-year-old female diagnosed with ALS. Elevated urinary concentrations of cesium [33.7 µgrams/g creatinine (reference range &lt;=10.5)] and barium [25.6 µgrams/g (reference range &lt;=6.7)] were recorded. Additionally, numerous measurements of her urine, using a Gamma Scout Geiger counter, revealed elevated beta and gamma radiation as high as 0.70µSv/hr. Average background radiation is 0.10 - 0.20µSv/hr.

This ALS patient had several known exposures to cesium and barium throughout her lifetime. In utero, she lived downwind from the first atomic bomb test in 1945. As a child, she lived on military bases where barium is sprayed over flight paths and found in jet fuel. In 1971, she swam in the Savannah River when 137Cs was discharged into surface waters. For twenty years, she lived in a county with high 137Cs accumulation due to global fallout (Anspaugh LR, 2000). She also received a diagnostic barium X-ray in her fifties because of chronic constipation.

Urinalyses performed by Genova Diagnostics report stable 133Cs concentrations. Stable 133Cs in the environment is considered a marker for radioactive 137Cs. Uranium (235U) fission produces three cesium isotopes that persist in the environment: 6.09% stable 133Cs, 6.15% radioactive 137Cs, and &lt;6.33% radioactive 135Cs. Therefore, urinary 133Cs levels could potentially represent approximately one third of actual cesium concentrations due to unmeasured 137Cs and 135Cs. Barium is always associated with 137Cs because 137Cs emits beta particles and decays to stable 137Ba through gamma ray emission.

Given cumulative exposures and elevated concentrations of cesium and barium in this ALS patient, along with similar associations found in published research, more investigation is warranted. Measuring cesium and barium in the ALS population may reveal this correlation among other patients and provide important insights into new treatment options.

ATSDR CDC: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Public Health Service Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry: ToxGuideTM for Barium (pdf) (http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxguides/toxguide-24.pdf) CAS# 7440-39-3
October 2007

The general population is exposed to barium through consumption of drinking water and food, usually at low levels.

Barium sulfate is frequently utilized as a benign, radiopaque aid to x-ray diagnosis in colorectal and some upper gastrointestinal examinations.

Barium and compounds are used in oil automotive paints, and gas drilling muds, stabilizers for plastics, case hardening steels, bricks, tiles, lubricating oils, and jet fuel as well as in various types of pesticides.

[beefsteak]

NICE WORK, KEEHAH!

You just spun my head around about the Lou Gehrig's Disease (ALS) info you presented! A very dear friend's Mother died of ALS some 20 years ago. We ALWAYS wondered where she contracted it.

On this Mother's Day, I'm going to send this to the family since they are the one's who want to know.
As far as I know, ALS is NOT genetic, THANK GOD!

Again, NICE research, KEEHAH! Thank you.


LAPIS...Kudos to you as well, for tying the two topics together.
Awesome researchers on this thread!

LAPIS posted:




I aint vouching for it, just passing it on, 8)

Fukushima Plutonium Meets
Chemtrail Barium - The Perfect Crime? (http://rense.com/general93/crime.htm)

I'm sorry if I've already mentioned this before, but in the Dr. Mercola interview with cancer doctor Nicholas Gonzalez (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/the-cancer-treatment-so-successful-traditional-doctors-shut-it-down/), Gonzalez says something that makes me wonder if he knows about chemtrails:

There‘s so much pollution in the air. A little known fact is that heavy metals can be aerosolized. There are heavy metals in the air. China is dumping tons of aluminum into the air. You don‘t have to use aluminum plastic bands anymore to get aluminum. All you have to do is breathe and most of us have to breathe. You‘re going to take aluminum in just from breathing, courtesy of the Midwest and China, from our own industry as well as the Chinese industry, which is totally unregulated.

Heavy metals are a constant problem. We virtually have our entire practice detoxified from heavy metals with sodium alginate every six months. We just find it necessary. Fifteen years ago it wasn‘t as big an issue, but we‘ve seen the change in our own practice.

beefsteak

[Serpo]

Japan won't abandon nuclear power despite crisis (nutters)

TOKYO – Atomic power will remain a major part of Japan's energy policy despite the ongoing crisis at one tsunami-crippled plant and a looming shutdown of another while its quake protections are improved, a government official said Sunday.

Deputy Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshito Sengoku also said no reactors other than the three units at the Hamaoka power plant in central Japan would be shuttered over quake and tsunami concerns.

There is "no need to worry" about other reactors, Sengoku said. "Scientifically, that's our conclusion at the moment."

The government evaluated Japan's 54 reactors for quake and tsunami vulnerability after the March 11 disasters that heavily damaged the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant in northeast Japan.

Chubu Electric Power Co., which runs the Hamaoka plant, is still considering the government's request to shut the reactors while the utility builds a seawall and improves backup systems to protect the reactors from a major earthquake and tsunami.

Nuclear energy provides more than one-third of Japan's electricity, and shutting the three reactors would likely worsen power shortages expected this summer. Already, buildings have reduced lighting, stores have trimmed service hours and subway operators have shut air conditioning in a conservation effort in the capital region since the March 11 disasters.

After an executives' meeting Saturday failed to finalize a decision, Chubu chairman Toshio Mita left for Qatar to negotiate for liquefied natural gas supplies to cover the shortfall, company official Tatsuo Sawaki said Sunday.

The three reactors account for more than 10 percent of the company's power supply, company officials said.

Chubu Electric has estimated maximum output of about 30 million kilowatts this summer with the three Hamaoka reactors running, with estimated demand of about 26 million kilowatts.

"It would be tight," said another Chubu official Mikio Inomata, adding that officials are discussing possibilities of boosting output from gas, oil and coal-fueled power plants and buying power from other utility companies.

The Hamaoka plant is a key power provider in central Japan, including nearby Aichi, home of Toyota Motor Corp.

The plant about 125 miles (200 kilometers) west of Tokyo has been known as Japan's "most dangerous" nuclear plant as it sits in an area where a major quake is expected within decades. About 79,800 people live within a 6-mile (10-kilometer) radius.

Prime Minister Naoto Kan noted Friday that experts estimate a 90 percent chance of a quake with a magnitude of 8.0 or higher striking that region within 30 years.

"That makes Hamaoka an exceptional case," Kan told reporters Sunday. He urged Chubu executives "to understand."

Since the March 11 disasters, Chubu Electric has drawn up safety measures that include building a 40-foot-high (12-meter) seawall nearly a mile (1.5 kilometers) long over the next two to three years, company officials said. Chubu also promised to install additional emergency backup generators and other equipment and improve the water tightness of the reactor buildings.

The Hamaoka plant lacks a concrete sea barrier now. Sand hills between the ocean and the plant are up to 50 feet (15 meters) high, deemed enough to defend against a tsunami around 26 feet (8 meters) high, officials said.

The operator of the Fukushima nuclear plant, Tokyo Electric Power Co., has said the tsunami that wrecked critical power and cooling systems there was at least 46 feet (14 meters) high.

The March 11 quake and tsunami left more than 25,000 people dead or missing on the northeast coast and triggered the worst nuclear crisis since Chernobyl in 1986.

On Sunday, the government approved TEPCO's plan to allow workers return to Fukushima Dai-ichi's No. 1 reactor building to install a new cooling system after its main door was left open overnight for ventilation, said Hidehiko Nishiyama, spokesman for the Nuclear Industry and Safety Agency.

Radioactivity inside the building has fallen to levels deemed safe for people wearing protective suits to enter, Nishiyama said. Workers rapidly installed air filtering equipment in there Thursday — their first entry since shortly after the tsunami.

"We judge the environment has improved to one that allows people to enter and work," Nishiyama said.

Workers later Sunday removed air-filtering ducts and machines, leaving holes on the wall unplugged and the door open until Monday morning, when air monitoring staff are to enter for a final check, TEPCO said.

TEPCO spokesman Junichi Matsumoto said air coming into the building through the entrance may rise and push out radioactivity through the damaged roof, but the amount would be too low to cause health risks. The building largely lost its roof in a hydrogen explosion on March 12.

___ http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110508/ap_on_bi_ge/as_japan_earthquake%3B_ylt%3DAhfFj5BzTO1pMPl3.0fQB Tus0NUE%3B_ylu%3DX3oDMTFlMDlyMTB1BHBvcwM5NwRzZWMDY WNjb3JkaW9uX2J1c2luZXNzBHNsawNqYXBhbndvbnRhYmE-

[PatColo]

from our resident horny toad, checked the youtube page, it's dated 4/10. Icke on AJ show, he talks in high level terms though, heavy TPTB-conspiracy perspective. Listening now.



"The International Community" tunes in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UwY6oCbFaM

[PatColo]

5 best ways to avoid poisonous radiated produce (http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/5-ways-to-avoid-poisonous-produce)

* Deborah Dupre
* May 06, 2011

Food sold in average American grocery stores is unhealthy. Radiated food is now an even greater threat since Japan's Fukushima nuclear catastrophe is spreading radiation throughout the United States and around the globe. To increase your quality of... http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/5-ways-to-avoid-poisonous-produce

[Cobalt]

You just can't make this shit up :conf:

You can harvest fish but are advised to wear protective clothing while fishing :lol



Fisheries: No radiation risk beyond exclusion zone

Japan's Fisheries Agency has told fishermen it's safe to conduct regular fishing in waters beyond the 30-kilometer restricted zone around the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

The agency sent out a notice to the fisheries industry and municipalities near the plant after the Nuclear Safety Commission conducted a safety assessment requested by the government's nuclear taskforce.

The commission studied underwater radiation levels beyond the restricted zone. It concluded that a person operating far out at sea would be exposed to a maximum of 1.13 millisieverts of radiation per year. The commission also found that a person fishing along the coast more than 30 kilometers from the plant would be exposed to a maximum of 1.43 millisieverts.

The amounts are higher than the annual 1 millisievert exposure limit for regular people, but the commission said they would not cause health problems.

The commission advises that people measure radiation levels while fishing, and avoid exposing skin, in order to reduce exposure levels.

Full story
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/09_03.html

[Serpo]

Nuclear physicist suspects No. 3 MOX spent fuel rods have spread out and surrounding arejavascript:void(0)a is contaminated with plutonium — “

Deadly Silence on Fukushima, Vivian Norris for the Huffington Post, May 9, 2011:

I received the following email a few days ago from a Russian nuclear physicist friend who is an expert on the kinds of gases being released at Fukushima. Here is what he wrote:

About Japan: the problem is that the reactor uses “dirty” fuel. It is a combination of plutonium and uranium (MOX).

I suspect that the old fuel rods have bean [sic] spread out due to the explosion and the surrounding area is contaminated with plutonium which means you can never return to this place again.

It is like a new Tchernobyl. Personally, I am not surprised that the authority has not informed people about this.

[...] I have also watched as the news has virtually disappeared. There is something extremely disturbing going on and having lived through the media blackout in France back in April and early May 1986, and speaking to doctors who are deeply concerned by the dramatic increase in cancers appearing at very young ages, it is obvious that information is being held back. [...]

http://enenews.com/nuclear-physicist-suspects-3-mox-spent-fuel-rods-spread-surrounding-area-contaminated-plutonium-never-return-place-again

[Horn]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01207/dead-fish_1207265i.jpg

[beefsteak]

Horn,

I'm no mamby pamby, but I'll admit I winced when I looked at your photo. That human--if living in the Northern Hemisphere has NO CLUE what he's doing to himself nor his family. In fact, it's a double dose...whatever killed those fish, and what's killing him wading around in that filthy polluted, water.

[lapis]

Talked to my family who are still living in Japan last night. They still claim things are "getting better."

[Large Sarge]

Talked to my family who are still living in Japan last night. They still claim things are "getting better."


they all should be megadosing vitamin c

[Olmstein]

According to this video, the entire building housing reactor number 4 is "leaning".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9wRLW2gFY8&feature=youtu.be

[lapis]

they all should be megadosing vitamin c

You're right they should, but they're not. They just take multi-vitamins and maybe one or two grams of vitamin C every day.

Yesterday I took my daughter to a park and let her run around. She played in the sand, and it was kind of damp.

When we got home I ran a bath for her, and decided to put some epsom salts and baking soda in it to help her detox.

I'm a little concerned, because she said it made her feel "uncomfortable." When I pressed her to be more specific, she said it made her want to lie down (and she is very energetic). I wonder if the bath was too detoxing?

I would've added salt, but don't have enough for baths.

[Neuro]

According to this video, the entire building housing reactor number 4 is "leaning".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9wRLW2gFY8&feature=youtu.be
Sounds like it is about to implode in freefall speed in it's own footprint, any time now...

[sirgonzo420]

According to this video, the entire building housing reactor number 4 is "leaning".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9wRLW2gFY8&feature=youtu.be
Sounds like it is about to implode in freefall speed in it's own footprint, any time now...


Just waiting on a low-flying airplane to put it out of its misery.

[Large Sarge]

they all should be megadosing vitamin c

You're right they should, but they're not. They just take multi-vitamins and maybe one or two grams of vitamin C every day.

Yesterday I took my daughter to a park and let her run around. She played in the sand, and it was kind of damp.

When we got home I ran a bath for her, and decided to put some epsom salts and baking soda in it to help her detox.

I'm a little concerned, because she said it made her feel "uncomfortable." When I pressed her to be more specific, she said it made her want to lie down (and she is very energetic). I wonder if the bath was too detoxing?

I would've added salt, but don't have enough for baths.


first few times I did the bath, it made me feel that way also (always did it right before bed)

made me kind of dizzy, weak, etc

I always felt fine by the morning.

[JohnQPublic]

According to this video, the entire building housing reactor number 4 is "leaning".



A new tourist attraction: The Leaning Reactor Housing of Fukushima

[beefsteak]

The promised conversation took place last weekend with the holistic MD practictioner resource/friend of mine. Very informative.

Bullet points as follows:

* Megadose of each vitamin or mineral is variable according to nutrient. For example, for VIT C, the "C megadose" is referred to as "bowel tolerant" level. (Threader Large Sarge already identified this salient point. Thanks again, Sarge!! ;D) The Doc's statement was 4000mg is considered to be max bowel tolerant of VIT C. So, the recommendation is usually backed off from 4000mg to 3000mg, for both personal comfort reasons as well as economic reasons. 3000mg is considerably above the FDA's 60mg current MDR level addressed earlier in this thread.

Yes, this is Megadose Vit C mg is for dealing with toxicity in generic terms, and not radiation specific terms.

Next post, next bullet point; please indulge this modality. 'Tis offered in the hopes of making it easier for the "quote the post when responding" folk find it easier to contribute or comment on points of particular interest to them.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Holistic MD Consult report: weekend of 5/9/2011

*Altering metabolic load SUDDENLY by moving into a detoxing/self-chelating modality is very very harmful and will make an individual extremely sick. Doctors dread the GUNG HO/DO IT YESTERDAY IF NOT SOONER/ self-chelating patient, doing so without fore-knowledge and support of the health practictioner of the individual.

Gradual metabolic load shift is the IDEAL way to address this radiation topic for the individual.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Holistic MD Consult report: weekend of 5/9/2011

* If one were to be fortunate to have already or become a patient of an "environmental medicine MD / specialist" overseeing the chelation, before ANY intravenous chelating were to be prescribed, 2 steps would precede said IV treatment.

1) Detoxing the liver by dietary means + supplements

2) Cleaning up the gut also by dietary means + supplements

Then and ONLY THEN would said administration of Chelating IVs be initiated.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Holistic MD Consult report: weekend of 5/9/2011

* To start at the DETOXING of the Liver level, there is a specific "ELIMINATION DIET" that is prescribed to be followed by the patient who wishes to detox and then self-chelate OR proceed to and thru IV Chelating.

Will be happy to type it up and include it on this thread if there are any requests from those seeking to mitigate the unavoidable radiation poisons in particular, emanating from Fukushima in particular, over and atop the background radiation poison already in our system in this nation, in particular.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Holistic MD Consult report: weekend of 5/9/2011

* Viewing the graphic below, one can now check to see where their "childhood poisoning years" were spent growing up, thanks to NEVADA above ground Atomic Bomb Testing in the '50s and '60s.

Now that I'm a post-Fukushima survivor as well, and have now become educated as to the reality of the new 10x lethal per man woman and child radiation dosing currently circling the northern hemisphere in particular thanks to Fukushima's ONGOING poisoning, I realize for the first time what is already absorbed into my and my siblings' bones and sinew, silently glowing, invisible to naked-eye and slowly poisoning me and millions of others in this country. And it looks like the poisoning also flowed northerly to our Canadian neighbors, a most heinous trespass in my opinion performed by the dark agenda perps.

Thoroughly disgusted by it all, this graphic further redoubles my resolve to mitigate and eliminate/eradicate poisons --not just recent, nor just radiation poisonings-- from my system even in my advancing years, but all I can pass on and out, by metabolic means of that which is ingested. NO where am I more motivated in my daily life, all this due to the fact that I'm faced with NEW and extremely lethal metabolic poisoning loads since 3/11, mostly of the airborne variety. Fortunately, external radiation can be dealt with a little more easily than the inhaled/injested varieties. All need to be mitigated, and exposure TO, reduced.

Still a steward of my body and resources --in my belief system--I am still under the command to "Tarry until HE comes." Personal choice dictates volitional clean behaviors, metabolically, mentally, spiritually, both in internal and external planes in this dimension.

Yes, this map below provides a pre-Fukushima raditation/metabolic load perspective, most especially after the Above Ground Atomic Bomb Testing of the '50s and '60s performed in Nevada here stateside (U.S.A.)


http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/beefsteak_GIM/NevAboveGroundNukeTestingNV1950-60.jpg

beefsteak

P.S.
I have no affiliation whatsoever of the website prominently displayed at the bottom of said graphic.

[Serpo]

rense.com


Fukushima - No Way Out
By TC Burnett
5-11-11


Those of you who have been following me at HawaiiNewsDaily or on my blog may not have been thrilled with my initial assessments back in March - and ongoing - that Fukushima isn't going away.

The reactors can NEVER be placed in 'cold shutdown' because the cores are partially melted together. We are talking about hundreds of tons of fissile material inside reinforced concrete containment vessels. The containment vessels are cracked. They are releasing radiation. Fission excursions are still occurring and no one can go inside those containments for hundreds of years - even if they could get to the fuel.

They continue to pour water on them and drain it off into the ocean because there is nothing else they can do. If they stop pumping water, the genie comes out. If they keep pumping water, it has to go somewhere and that somewhere is the ocean. It is still a stop gap. Those reactor cores cannot be put into 'cold shutdown' or dismantled or entombed. Ever.

They cannot treat as much radioactive water as they have to keep pumping in. No one can. So the radiation is going to come across the Pacific and impact the US and, certainly, Hawaii. Yes, I read that they are going to start treating it or storing it, but the task is impossible. Reactor cores have to be maintained in a 'clean room' environment or the water picks up particles - which then become radioactive - which then irradiate the reactor plumbing - and, eventually, become fuel. That's why they have to keep pumping fresh water in and dumping it out. They cannot recirculate it, even if they manage to get new plumbing installed. The next major earthquake there will begin an extinction event.

I am not going to say 'told you so'. I am going to suggest that people who have the opportunity should consider growing their own food for a variety of reasons. I like aquaponics.

Growing food in enclosed greenhouses protects from fallout and the organic uptake of radionuclides. For my system, I have developed an ion-exchange filter to remove radioactive isotopes from rainwater. I can still use catchment. The water inside the greenhouses; water we need to drink, will be clean.

Consider this. When the economy collapses, as it must, the money people have invested almost anywhere except under their mattresses will be gone. If, instead, you chose to develop an aquaponics farm, in two years you would probably have a continuous supply of non-radioactive food.

We are now at the crossroads. The economic collapse IS coming. The radiation IS coming. I am going to have a radiation-free food source. If you believe you have your money and food supply secured into the future and that we will not devolve into a greenhouse economy, you don't need to worry about it. If you guess wrong, you will have lost both your money and your chance.

It is true that I am a doomsayer and actively prepare for the worst situation I can imagine. If I don't, that's what will happen. If I do, and it doesn't happen, I will still have an active, organic aquaponics enterprise. It is win-win for me when I get it built on whatever scale I can do.

I am going to make fresh food and clean water no matter what anyone else does. It's merely the practical matter of how many people I can feed. In one greenhouse I can produce enough food for myself and the people who help me. With two, I can produce a surplus and feed other people. I envisioned three, but I may have to convert the third one to a water treatment/storage facility. I presently don't have enough land for more than three and I don't have access to more than three greenhouses in any case. I still have to buy them, prep the ground, do the plumbing, dismantle them. move them, re-erect them and build the two-tier infrastructure inside them. Then I have to make them produce. It is happening.

I have friends - maybe a lot of friends - who are investing in silver and gold. You can't eat it. Since no one can eat it, I won't trade you food for it. I'm just saying - the markets are going back up today after what looked like a downward spiral on 3 May. They are fluctuating and confused. That is not a foundation for stability.

One of these days you will look at the clock and it will say "too late".

The live camera link is here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FptmoVcgpqg The sound is on. You can listen to the waves gently breaking on the shoreline. You can watch birds fly around the ruins - they don't understand what is happening to them. When earthquakes hit you can watch the camera shake. It all appears very peaceful and tranquil. It's a view of Hell.

http://www.rense.com/general94/noway.htm

[beefsteak]

Holistic MD Consult report: weekend of 5/9/2011

* French Green Clay was discussed, and samples left with said resource MD for their own "mass spec" analysis. Material about toxicologist and nutritionist, and OSHA Hazardous Materials Handling Response Specialist, Janet Starr-Hull, PhD was also left for the good doctor.

Not just for my personal benefit, but with an eye to sharing with the MD resource I was interviewing, as well as for this thread, the following is my best effort at transcribing the SECOND portion of Jeff Rense's interview with Dr. Hull, 3/16/2011. A mere 5 days after the Fukushima explosions and massive (ongoing) radiation dispersion.

To aid in reading, the following transcription will be presented in "reverse order" with the FRENCH GREEN CLAY information posted first. The following post in the thread will be the "more introductory material to who Dr. Hull is" and her philosophy regarding health, and not just her post-radiation responses and mitigations.



(After a break, Starr-Hull talks about her Chernobyl Soviet Military Base experiences, as an invited US expert, cleared by the State Department, of course.)

GUEST: DR. HULL: "The best thing to do, in my opinion,
...and I learned this when I worked on the Soviet Army Bases in Eastern Europe after Glasnost --it was a few years after Chernobyl had melted down-- and I learned from the former Soviets of that time, that when Chernobyl melted down, they put French Green Clay in chocolate bars and they dispensed them freely to the masses, so that they would have the clay to absorb the radiation. And Chernobyl was razed under a landfill of French Green Clay.

"The Europeans have used French Green Clay internally as a cleanse. So, I brought that technique back to the United States. I recommend when people detox from any heavy metals, and particularly radiation, that they ingest clay, the natural clays. They absorb radiation like you wouldn't believe. They take mercury out of the body like you wouldn't believe.

"French Green Clay is extremely safe. Montmorillonite Clay is a powdered clay as well and found in the United States in the Big Horn Mountains of Wyoming. These clays are phenomenal. ALL animals in nature will eat clay, if they've eaten a rancid berry, or a rancid kill.

"So, this is probably one of the best, and safest ways people could keep their bodies clean from exposure to any of the radiation. Make it up in little capsules, or add it to bottled water, shake it up and drink it down.

"1 level teaspoon (4000 mg) in 6oz of water, shake it up and drink it. It has nutrients in it as well, and so it goes through the body. It absorbs the radiation and will replace nutrients as it is excreting the radiation out of the body. You could do that twice a day, regularly, just to get air(borne) pollutants out of your body. Best to do on an empty stomach to get down to the deep, cellular level.

"Nature provides so many free, healthy wonderful things for all animals to survive on."

HOST RENSE: Bentonite clay can also be taken and it is very aggressive, but it is very aborbent and can harden in the body, so be sure to be hydrated with water and juices if you take that. Yes, it is in liquid form as well as powder. It does not work as well as French Green Clay, but it will work, too.

GUEST DR. HULL: "(French Green Clay) will go into the bloodstream, into the water stored in the body. It will clean out all the cells in your body. It is important to keep your Vit C levels up (pure ascorbic acid) because that will go into the cells of your body, and keep sweeping and cleaning out down at the cellular level.

Cleans organs, blood, your skin....it's just a phenomenal, wonderful, body cleanser."

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Editorial notation:
1) Examination of Dr. Hull's website reveals that the French Green Clay (as opposed to the Montmorillonite from Montana Wyoming) is mined from 250' below the surface of a deposit in France. Somewhere else I read that the "French Deposit" is considered "primo" to any other deposit, but I can't share that link to save my hide, because I didn't save that reference. My apologies.

2) it is my intention to share my personal first experience using 2000mg of French Green Clay which I individually capsulized (took 4 of them 3/4 full from hand-filling the "00" size veg capsules) in the AM and repeated again 12 hours later with 2000mg 2nd dosage before bedtime as a personal anecdote for a point of reference to those not yet acquainted with this modality.

beefsteak

[Serpo]

Divers wanted......without the lead suit.........


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3lSLpSHBuY

[beefsteak]

Holistic MD Consult report: weekend of 5/9/2011

* (Dr. Star-Hull's interview continued--This is the FIRST SEGMENT/INTRO commentary/philosophy below from 3/16/2011 Jeff Rense's interview)


Transcription 3/16/2011
Jeff Rense Program...

What can I do to protect myself?
Potassium Iodide cannot protect one's whole body.

Dr. Janet Starr-Hull, PhD, CN, Environmental Engineer and Toxicologist and Nutritionist
Teaches a college course called, "Natural Disasters"

HOST RENSE: Academic Degrees and Experience in: Geology, International Geography, Toxicology,
Fitness Training, Holistic Nutrition, OSHA Certified Environmental Hazardous Waste Response Specialist, and Toxicologist. She's an author, Sweet Poison (artifical sweetners.)


STARR-HULL: Intro remark: "I am an "Environmental Engineer and Toxicologist and Nutritionist.

"I'm trying to raise the bar here on the level of education on why natural disasters like this happen (and, of course, the radiation is a man-made disaster.")

"But, you know, we're concentrating our population on the wrong places on the earth.
We're building nuclear reactors on the wrong places on the earth, and when accidents happen...."
(interrupted by HOST RENSE, wrt. stupid designs and 40-50 year old thinking about reactors. And to store all these used fuel rods in the same...well, you saw what happened, I don't have to say anymore...)

STARR-HULL: "Yes, I don't know if there are any "good designs." When you put a nuclear power plant
on top of one of the most active, earthquake fault zones/subduction zones on the planet, you know...
right there....that's insanity. To think we have enough human power to trump the earth, we're fooling ourselves."

(Agreed with HOST RENSE: that the earth doesn't need nuclear power.)

STARR-HULL: "...in fact, Jeff, the earth doesn't even know what [it] is. Our cities, our cultural landscape, our human imprint on this planet really means nothing to the earth. All this human activity, really isn't real. The earth has mountains. It has volcanoes; massive seas. And what man has created on this planet is so insignificant to the planet itself, earth has its own cycles, and it will continue for eons. And what we have done is taken away that appreciation of what our position is here. What is the balance? What is our role?

"Then when disasters like this happen, then we scramble; we panic. We increase our level of fear because we're not prepared. We're not educated. It hasn't been thought out properly. And then, what to do when these disasters occur, THAT hasn't even been thought out properly."

HOST RENSE: I've talked to a lot of people in the survival genre, and consensus is that less than 1% of the people have prepared for a major disaster. And that less than 1% shouldn't talk about it to anyone, b/c THEIR neighbors will come and say, "won't you share?"

STARR-HULL: "The cultures of Western Society and First World Nations seem to look as being the "lesser than" cultures, the Third World Countries. THOSE are the countries that know how to survive because they live in such a balance with nature. They give back to nature what they take from nature. They may not have the technology; they may not have the advancements we have in so many, many things. But, they still maintain that natural existence, and intuition. THEY will be the cultures that probably will survive with so less fear and trauma & drama when these things occur. It's hard when a natural disaster occurs anyway.

"But, when you're more in balance with nature, and you live your life a little bit more simplistically...
you eat natural food, etc., your body is more prepared for these occurrences."

Discussion moves to KI mass consumeristic acquisition by HOST RENSE:

STARR-HULL: "If you have a healthy constitution, you have been eating properly all this time, you've been properly hydrated with good, pure water, you take your supplements which keeps your immune system boosted and at maximum, if you are getting plenty of rest, and if your lifestyle has already been a healthy lifestyle, your body is going to be strong when it is challenged in situations such as this,

"If people have NOT been taking care of their bodies, and not keeping their immune systems strong, they are going to be panicing like they are. So, one of the first things I would say to people is, from this point forward, let's look at what is habit, and let's make some changes. Sometimes disasters can motivate us into making changes we've been procrastinating on, whether as an individual, family, city, culture or a nation."

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Holistic MD Consult report: weekend of 5/9/2011

* 80% of the underlying causality of diabetes occurs in the "ring of fire," current medical-speak for the "ring of inflamation" around the gut area of the human body, especially the obese population in the U.S.A.

Association of radiation with physiology dis-ease by Dr. Russell Blaylock, MD., retired neurosurgeon and now nutrition specialist in matters of brain and food relationships, of Strontium radiation poisoning being the primary underlying factor of all diabetes was new information to this doctor. They eagerly received the CV and supporting information wrt: Dr. Blaylock, MD.

His website points to --among other nutritional signposts--a topic he's written a book about titled EXCITOTOXINS.

Here's "an Hour/6mins" Google Video of Dr. Blaylock discussing this topic:


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2384105525501310962#

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Holistic MD Consult report: weekend of 5/9/2011

* 90% of the Body's Seritonin metabolism takes place in the gut. Cleaning up the gut should reduce if not eliminate the need for SSRI's.

The names of the most commonly prescribed SSRI's are (acc'd to a Mayo Clinic link I just found) http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/ssris/MH00066:

Citalopram (Celexa)
Escitalopram (Lexapro)
Fluoxetine (Prozac, Prozac Weekly, Sarafem)
Paroxetine (Paxil, Paxil CR, Pexeva)
Sertraline (Zoloft)
Fluoxetine combined with the atypical antipsychotic olanzapine (Symbyax)

As I reflected upon that surprising utterance from the Doctor's mouth, I recalled just how many of those names I've seen in TV commercials for the last several years. I remember thinking to myself at the time, what was the boogeyman before SSRIs were invented by Pharmacia? Those are similar wonderings I've had about learning various grandchildren, nieces, nephews, little school children were put on Ritalin for the last 3 decades. I confess to also wondering whatever did our parents and grand-parents, etc., do before these ADHD diagnoses and resulting meds prescribed? Somethings just haven't been adding up for a very long time. I've been on the "dismissive/derisive/disbeliving" end of the spectrum when it comes to "blaming poor nutrition and lack of fresh broccoli" for the world's ills. It just hasn't made sense to me.

Now, after listening to my resource elaborate on these topics, I see the commonality is bad nutrition/metabolic load--NOW COMPLICATED by radioactive OVERKILL. Seems so simple since they explained it. At the same time, the implications are profound.

Perhaps the sentiments have already been expressed by others. And perhaps folks of my generation just weren't listening, or weren't even hearing about nutrition in the first place. Don't really know the answer to that one. But, it is my belief that since 3/11 lethal radiation dosing on top of already heavily radiated, diabetic, cancering, ADHD, messed up Seratonin, probably even cystic fibrosis, MS, and now we're learning, ALS contributor: Nevada Radiation poisoning, layered on top of more Nuke "accidents" and now Fukushima...well...what can I say...
...things are clicking into a logical and linear place within me now, that I've never added together before and come up with 2+3=5

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Sobering assessment from T.C. Burnett, courtesy Serpo above. Sounds logical and truthful to me.


The reactors can NEVER be placed in 'cold shutdown' because the cores are partially melted together. We are talking about hundreds of tons of fissile material inside reinforced concrete containment vessels. The containment vessels are cracked. They are releasing radiation. Fission excursions are still occurring and no one can go inside those containments for hundreds of years - even if they could get to the fuel.

They continue to pour water on them and drain it off into the ocean because there is nothing else they can do. If they stop pumping water, the genie comes out. If they keep pumping water, it has to go somewhere and that somewhere is the ocean. It is still a stop gap. Those reactor cores cannot be put into 'cold shutdown' or dismantled or entombed. Ever.

They cannot treat as much radioactive water as they have to keep pumping in. No one can.

So the radiation is going to come across the Pacific and impact the US and, certainly, Hawaii. Yes, I read that they are going to start treating it or storing it, but the task is impossible. Reactor cores have to be maintained in a 'clean room' environment or the water picks up particles - which then become radioactive - which then irradiate the reactor plumbing - and, eventually, become fuel. That's why they have to keep pumping fresh water in and dumping it out. They cannot recirculate it, even if they manage to get new plumbing installed. The next major earthquake there will begin an extinction event.
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I'm reminded of some statistics from Eng. Arnie Gunderson about the levels of water required IF the plants were behaving as designed on paper. They are UNGODLY amounts. I'll post them for thread review and mental refreshment. If someone else gets them posted first, I'll be ever so grateful.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Holistic MD Consult report: weekend of 5/9/2011

*The topic of "hair analysis for toxicity" was discussed, and only supported in a very limited fashion as a diagnostic tool. That response was a deviation from the Starr-Hull methodology and practice she employs.

Instead, the Doctor spoke to a "forced urine test" protocol, as being the preferred method nowadays of building a baseline, and then a monitoring protocol for assessing toxic metabolic load and mitigation/remediation efforts during treatment.

I didn't understand it much, but it was a before, then something prescribed is taken orally, and then time passes and then a follow-up urine test is conducted.

Perhaps Mamboni can swing by and offer words of clarity with regards to who what when where and why. Maybe he has a different name for it, and I just wrote it down wrong.

Is there a Doctor in the house? |--0--|

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[Antonio]

Thank you very much for your kind words about Russia, Beefsteak!
I do not consider myself a Chernobyl survivor. I`m simply one of those countless millions who got a bit of radiation in me due to Chernobyl. Millions were exposed to infinitely more and do have health problems, I don`t. I`m just an average Russian.
I know that I owe my life to those who willingly and unwillingly went into the nuclear hell and fought radiation as if it was a nuclear war which it was.
The Jap situation is much worse, the media lies and silence make it even worse than it is. Radiation can kill but fear will kill for sure.
Fear makes people depressed and destroyes the immune system. The secret of those people still living in Chernobyl contaminated areas is lack of fear, whether it`s due to bravery or ignorance as in the case of the old peasants.
Fear of radiation will kill before the radiation itself (I`m not talking about acute radiation sickness here but even many of those who had it are still alive).

[Serpo]

Hi Antonio.....you are back.......... ;D

(NaturalNews) Several Japanese are crying out about what is going on in Japan. Hirose Takashi is telling us that, "The nuclear power plants in Japan are aging rapidly; like cyborgs, they are barely kept in operation by a continuous replacement of parts. And now that Japan has entered a period of earthquake activity and a major accident could happen at any time, the people live in constant state of anxiety."

Toshiso Kosako, a University of Tokyo professor, that has been employed since mid-March as a nuclear advisor to the government of Prime Minister Naoto Kan in Japan, quit with disgust at what the government and nuclear industry is doing to the children. In his April 29 resignation, Kosako blinked back tears and accused the Japanese leadership of ignoring his advice on how to handle the nuclear crisis, particularly the setting of radiation limits for schools. Kosako even charged that the government had not fully complied with the law in its response to the nuclear disaster. "There is no point for me to be here," Kosako said in a tense press conference.


Click here to see the video about radiation test in North Carolina.

I climbed this mountain in North Carolina with Dutch right after publishing "Beyond the Door" on Monday. Even after all the devastating information I have been publishing about the nuclear disaster, I was shaken. It is not easy to understand the implications and follow the math of what is happening in the northern hemisphere but let's try.

One can go absolutely crazy trying to track and understand units of radioactivity and by the end of this article I hope to have made it comprehensible. Fortunately for me physics was my favorite subject and I did teach a semester of it in a technical college many years ago in Maine. So confusing though are the many different units that even for me the challenge is daunting. (Actually I will get around to a physics lecture in another essay.)

Bottom Line: Ten-thousand terabecquerels (10,000,000,000,000,000 becquerels) of radioactive substances will be released into the atmosphere from the plant during the coming three months, according to simple calculations based on the estimated emission rate as of April 5. It is now safe to assume that there will be a lot of radiation circling at high altitudes and all that stuff is going to come down everywhere eventually, especially when it rains or snows. Where is all this radiation coming from?

Amounts of radiation as far as 60km from the Fukushmia nuclear power plant have measured far above the levels measured in Chernobyl. Dr. Chris Busby

"I've been studying overhead photographs of Fukushima. It is very disturbing," said Robert Alvarez, formerly a senior policy adviser at the Energy Department under Clinton. "The steel wall of the pool seems to show damage. All the surrounding equipment, including the two cranes, has been destroyed. There is smoke coming from reactor No. 3, and steam coming from the spent-fuel pool next to it. That indicates that the water in the pool is boiling.

"And that means the spent-fuel rods are getting hot and could start burning. If the rods start to burn, huge amounts of radioactive material would be released into the atmosphere and would disperse across the northern hemisphere. Unlike the reactors, spent-fuel pools are not -- I repeat not -- housed in any sort of hardened or sealed containment structures. Rather, the fuel rods are packed tightly together in pools of water that are often several stories above ground..." continued Alvarez.

Dr. Chris Busby said that three spent-fuel pools have burned, which he calculates puts the radiation levels at 24,000 Hiroshimas x 3 spent-fuel pools, or 72,000 times the radiation of Hiroshima now in the atmosphere. This amount represents only that from the spent-fuel pools. Radiation will continue to escape from the reactors until entombed. Perhaps it would have been better if we had fought a limited nuclear war instead!

What's the official story? Radioactive levels were about 250 times higher than a month before. TEPCO said the levels of caesium-134 and -137 increased about 250-fold and iodine-131 increased about 12 times compared with one month ago, after the accident had already happened. The water level in the No. 4 reactor's turbine building rose by 20 centimeters in 10 days. TEPCO has detected 8,100 becquerels of caesium-137 and 7,800 becquerels of caesium-134 per cubic centimeter in the water in the turbine building's basement. The utility company said on Tuesday the 26th of April that the water level in the tunnel of the No. 3 reactor rose by 10 centimeters over three days.

Of course all this radiation at the plant is hampering work to bring the accident under control. If trends continue it might easily become impossible to approach the plant, meaning the chances of ever getting the disaster under control are decreasing with each passing week.

Most of us are in shock -- the consequences are so dramatic and will be with us for so long it is beyond most people's psychological capacity to deal with the full reality, and governments are happy to assist in ensuring that we stay in our comfort, not panic, zone.

We are in the middle of a planet-changing historic event that has extinction of life written all over it, and the best evidence we have of this is actually seen in the complete censorship of hard facts about this nuclear disaster by the media and our government.


Click here to see the video.

Everyone should watch this video at least twice. Dr. Chris Busby is the number one most trusted scientist in the world on this and the implications are stupendous. This is so bad that they cannot talk about it in the media at all and that's exactly what they are doing, not talking at all.

When Busby says this is a serious matter, he is meaning serious in terms of life and death. I have friends in Hawaii and many on the west coast in California and they all have front-row seats to the open nuclear furnaces in Japan. I wish I was allowed to start cursing in public, meaning my language would turn fowl right at this very particular point.

Plutonium goes up into the air in huge explosion and we hear nothing of it? Where is the plutonium story? Where did it go or is it going into the lungs of millions in the northern hemisphere as we speak? They might as well have pulled up front-row seats as when people actually watched the atomic bomb blasts!


Click here to see the video.

The Plutonium Angel of Death
Plutonium represents certain death; it is death, concentrated in nuclear form. Riders of death come swooping down from the upper air currents on plutonium steeds and just one tiny particle of it has a deadly effect if it touches down anywhere inside of human or beast. But don't worry about this and do what your governments want you to do. They want you to proceed with your life as if everything is normal. And while you do, they want you to spend and borrow and do anything you can to keep the deteriorating economy and financial system from collapsing altogether. The last thing they want you to know is that an alien race of nuclear super particles called plutonium are gathering and scattering around the world like Hun Hordes. We have this going on already with mercury and other heavy metals and chemicals; now the toxic soup on our planet is going nuclear in a big way and it will continue that way into an increasingly toxic and frightening future. We have just had another disaster on day 11 and it has already changed the world in a very dirty and nuclear direction.

I really hope I am coming in loud and clear. Geiger counters measure decays but they do not tell you what kinds of particles are decaying. It is confusing, it is invisible and not even our Geiger counters tell us the whole story of increasing dangers that surround us. Anyone who thinks life is going to be the same on our planet with multiple open nuclear sores ripping apart the soft skin of our ecology and physiology is mistaken.

Nuclear harm happens in ultra slow motion. Yes it can happen in days, weeks and months to a few but the harm to the many happens in the years and decades that follow. We don't look down and see that we are now sterile until we cannot participate in a conception. Cancer does not start between one day and the next. But these days tornadoes do.

Nature Threatens

Deadly tornado outbreaks are attacking the underbelly of America, killing and destroying many and much. Yesterday the storms dealt a severe blow to the Tennessee Valley Authority on Wednesday, causing three nuclear reactors in Alabama to shut down, knocking out 11 high-voltage power lines, the utility and regulators said. All three units at TVA's 3,274-megawatt Browns Ferry nuclear plant in Alabama tripped about 5:30 EDT (2230 GMT) after losing outside power to the plant, a spokesman for the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Agency said.



The earth is literally blowing its top (volcanic activity) and we are already threatened with intense cooling because of the materials being vented into the atmosphere from not one but many volcanoes coming to life. And yet geologists are hinting we have not even come close to the opening curtain where the intensifying earthquakes and eruptions come to a climax.


Click here to see the video.

The earth beneath these Japanese feet is not stable and neither is the entire world as we have just recently entered an era of dramatically increasing seismic and volcanic activity. Most of us are used to watching just about everything from our arm chairs in front of our television sets but today world events are beginning to come down just about everyone's block. If it's not flooding it is drought and fire and if it's not record-breaking temperatures in terms of heat its record-breaking cold.



Will Japan ever stop shaking? A 6.0 quake brings aftershock total to 1,071 in 43 days since the atomic disaster began. None of these quakes are bringing any rest to those who fear the breaking of one more pipe at the nuclear plant. We actually have a lot more to worry about now than ever, though the serious worrying should have started decades ago before they built nuclear plants in dangerous places all over the world.

On April 7, just one month after the 3/11 earthquake in northeastern Japan, there was a large aftershock. At the Rokkasho Reprocessing Plant the electricity was shut off . The pool containing nuclear fuel and the radioactive liquid waste were (barely) cooled down by the emergency generators, meaning that Japan was brought to the brink of destruction. But the Japanese media, as usual, paid this almost no notice.

The Rokkasho Reprocessing Plant is where expended nuclear fuel from all of Japan's nuclear power plants is collected, and then reprocessed so as to separate out the plutonium, the uranium, and the remaining highly radioactive liquid waste. In short, it is the most dangerous factory in the world.

At the Rokkasho plant, 240 cubic meters of radioactive liquid waste are now stored. A failure to take care of this properly could lead to a nuclear catastrophe surpassing the meltdown of a reactor. This liquid waste continuously generates heat, and must be constantly cooled. But if an earthquake were to damage the cooling pipes or cut off the electricity, the liquid would begin to boil. According to an analysis prepared by the German nuclear industry, an explosion of this facility could expose persons within a 100 kilometer radius from the plant to radiation 10 to 100 times the lethal level, which presumably means instant death.

There are many accidents waiting to happen and many happening that we are not paying close attention to like the huge oil leak now happening in the Arctic Circle.

Food Crisis is Intensifying

Since from before the nuclear crisis we were already entering a terrible disaster in terms of food security and now this month the president of the World Bank has warned that the world is "one shock away from a full-blown crisis." Robert Zoellick cited rising food prices as the main threat to poor nations who risk "losing a generation."

Prayers in Europe this Easter holiday weekend are not being heard in the heavens (or by anyone else around the world it seems) as they face serious fears over the wheat harvest, its impact on already sky-high global food prices and, of course, devastating brush fires all from the lack of rain. We are not hearing much from China but their wheat also is not coming up strongly because of drought. Texas is in real danger of burning to the ground and exploding with all the oil wells and natural gas they have all around with their worst drought in memory taking the state down.

Commodities have been going absolutely ballistic for months. Price increases in other commodities like wheat, beans, and rice, which have, for the most part, been subdued on the consumer retail side because companies were willing to take the margin compression for a while, are now becoming a painful reality. Provident Living, a huge food storage and dry goods distribution organization for the Latter Day Saints has alerted their members that prices are up from between 11% to 49% on basic food staples. The most stunning aspect of the price increases is that they have occurred not in the last year, but over the last 90 days.

Nature has suddenly turned forcibly against us and we find out we are vulnerable and nowhere more so than with the foods we depend on to live. I know most are hoping for a return to normalcy, even the Federal Reserve, which wants to stop the emergency buying of every government bond in sight. But if interest rates go up, America is finished. In fact many people feel and think it is sinking fast and one look at the landscape of municipal, city, state and federal finances tells a story of imminent collapse.

For all the references, sources and more articles on radiation and chemical toxicity please visit Dr. Mark Sircus blog.

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[beefsteak]

GREAT to hear from you, Antonio! ;D

Don't let yourself get baited again. Jerks do NOT mean for your good--and I don't even know who was jerking your chain nor why. WE need you on this thread, k? It's been a long 2 weeks for us, your friends on here.

beefsteak

[Large Sarge]

yes welcome back antonio.....

missed you, and your wit

[lapis]

Holistic MD Consult report: weekend of 5/9/2011

* French Green Clay was discussed, and samples left with said resource MD for their own "mass spec" analysis.

Thanks for posting this information! Someone just asked me which clay was best for radiation detox, and voilà, here's your post. :)

[beefsteak]

A radioactive isotope of strontium has been detected in American milk for the first time since Japan’s nuclear disaster—in a sample from Hilo, Hawaii—the Environmental Protection Agency revealed yesterday. [...]

EPA found 1.4 picoCuries per liter of strontium-89 in a milk sample collected in Hilo on April 4. [...]

The EPA’s Maximum Contamination Level for Sr-89 in drinking water is 20 pCi/L. …

The two man-made isotopes of strontium—Sr-89 and Sr-90—are among the most dangerous products of nuclear fission to human and animal health. Both are “bone-seekers,” chemically similar to calcium, that collect in bone and marrow, where they are known to cause cancer. They are particularly dangerous to the growing bones of fetuses and children. [...]

Read the report here.http://enenews.com/radioactive-strontium-found-in-hawaii-milk


Serpo,
you get around a lot and I'm hoping you run across some newer strontium data than April 26, the last time Antonio was able to post on the forum. You think our chances are good for some archane, tucked away strontium datasets?

Thanks!!

beefsteak

[lapis]

Has anyone else looked at the Energy News site (http://enenews.com/) today? There's so many new articles! :(

Dawn at Fukushima: Enhanced image exposes smoke/steam billowing from reactor buildings No. 2, 3, 4 (PHOTOS)

Smoke/steam pouring out of Reactor Units No. 2, 3, 4 (PHOTOS & VIDEOS)

“Reactor 3 at the damaged Fukushima nuclear power station is leaking” — TEPCO says Cesium at 620,000 times above limit

Watchdog: Inexplicable that EPA shut down Fukushima radiation monitoring after finding high levels of radiation in drinking water

“Unusual amount of smoke” billowing from Reactors No. 3 and 4 “nothing to be concerned about” says TEPCO, Japan gov’t

TEPCO discusses installing structure to support No. 4 spent fuel pool from underneath

MIT: Nuclear chain reactions must have been burning at damaged reactors long after disaster unfolded

[beefsteak]

I'm sorry, Gunny, but in good conscience I had to remove the URL where my wife bought the non-fat powdered milk I just recommended above because of its very acceptable taste and texture. May I share what just happened to me, in order to let you know how I found out the above information?

First of all, I'm now back FIRMLY in "confirm before consume" camp. Here's why.

I decided to use the now UNrecommended pwdr milk this morning, for my cereal. It was a new experiment, since I'd used up the old pwdered milk pkg from our pre-Fuku. stash, which I was combining with Evaporated Milk, and added vanilla if anyone recalls that early post of mine.

Well, I used a 1/3 cup of this "now removed from stash" radiated milk on my cereal BEFORE I called and checked up on the MISSING product prepped and packaged date on the laser printed sticky label by the RE-PACKAGER named above.

THEN I picked up the phone, thinking that the date I ordered through eBay I assumed was close enough to the 11th of March that I had the "PRE-Fukushima" pwdered milk.

I DIDN'T and I don't. AND I was asking that question over the phone to a very reluctant and rather brusque and mouthy gatekeeper from Barry Farm's receptionist/order taker female employee.

I"ll be back with more of the story...as in what I did about my ingested poisoning this morning, both the personal assault I felt by having injested bad milk, and what I've been doing since breakfast to reduce the impact...AND NO I DIDN'T VOMIT. That is NOT an option for some people, in case that isn't common knowledge.

I'll gather my wits and coming back here to rat out my self-betrayal after 7 weeks of intense focus and effort to be alert and protect others AND myself.

DAMN IT!!!


Okay, it's now 2 whole months since Fukushima blew sky high...and what a 2 months this has been.


Now, I'm able and willing to "finish my story" as promised 10 days ago or so about me and milk making #2...

(resuming my tale of self-betrayal)....after realizing what I'd done to myself internally after that blasted phone call revealing "I was a day late and more than a dollar short," I grabbed some of the wife's "green clay mask" stuff she has on hand for her beauty mask facial's routine.

Recalling what Dr. Starr-Hull said about portions, I chose the "1 TSP" plastic measuring spoon from the kitchen drawer and measured out a level teaspoon into a cupcake paper sitting on my gram scales. 1 level teaspoon of her Clay weighed 4 grams (a.k.a., 4000mg.)

Then I looked at that amount and the number of capsules I'd have to fill to hold all those 4 grams and decided then and there, I was not taking any 4000mg of green clay my wife puts on her face for a beauty treatment, but I'd try 1/2 teaspoon, (2000mg.)

After hearing Dr. Starr-Hull's interview on Rense 3/16, I'd researched French Green Clay and was aware that the FDA would NOT ever approve it for internal consumption. (probably because it works and is good for us? ? ?) But I did remember that it was "approved for consumption in France" I believe it was. (Duh!)

So, I rigged up a capsule holder upright-er gizmo...I'll take pix and post'em later. And I coaxed into 4 veggie "00" size capsules 2000 mg of French Green Clay.

And while the milk I did NOT want to ever consume but had anyway was still in my stomach...yes along with my Special K with additional sliced almonds...I gulped down 1 capsule and decided that wasn't going to probably do it.

I grabbed a second capsule, and swallowed it with the distilled water.

Still thinking that wasn't enough, I grabbed a 3rd one and tossed it down.

Wondering if I'd have enough yet, I grabbed a 4th one, and swallowed it. By that time, 10oz of water was in there swimming around with the French Green Clay, the stupid milk I'd reconstituted from Berry Farms, and the cereal and extra almond slices.

I went on about my day, and decided to push a little more than 10 glasses of water before bedtime, when I decided I'd take 4 more of these things, barring any "bowel intolerance" or whatever else might get karked up with consuming clay for the first time.

Within a 30 minute window, my gut started short, jabbing prick points of pain, and moved down into the intestinal area. I thought, oh, boy...Only 1/2 a dose and it already feels something? Could it be related to those capsules? I made a mental note of being mighty grateful I didn't do what Starr-Hull did and put 4000mg in with only 6 oz of water according to Rense's interview for my "first clay experience."

The little pinpoint pricks of irritation subsided and I went on about my day, feeling like I'd done something positive for my self-betrayal poisoning.

Nothing unusual happened, and just before bedtime, I had to S*. It was "different" okay? Smelly, kinda greenish brown instead of the "customary coloration" (woudn't Dr. Oz be proud of me for looking :D ) and formed but easy to pass. I thought, Okay...I must have had some success if I noticed difference that quickly from having taking the capsules I'd made while the food was still in my stomach. That made me feel pretty good about "having done something positive" about my situation.

I went to the kitchen and grabbed the other 4 capsules, downed them with more water, and hit the sack. Within 30 minutes, the pinpoint pricks of pain started up again, and moved more quickly to my gut than it had with the AM's 4 capsules had taken that morning. I had all the proof I needed that I wasn't imagining the short, prickly pain after the first dosing in the AM.

I got up for about 15 minutes, ate a couple of old-fashioned soda crackers (4) then laid back down and flopped around in bed until it subsided and I finally dozed off.

Morning came, and I was like thirsty thirsty THIRSTY! And I'm a consistent and disciplined distilled water drinker, so I knew it wasn't "normal dehydration." I arose, and started my day, wondering what was going to happen next. And, I started guzzling water trying to slake my pretty incessant thirst.

Within about 3 hours of starting my day so very thirstily, "nature" called again, and yes, in the S* department.

I dutifully returned to the throne room and wondered what was going to be the "outcome" this time. Same volume, same smell, but in short, thready, formed output I'll call it. And I sat and S* and S* and S* s'more, until I thought my ass would fall in the "bowl."

Finally, it subsided and I could get my "ring around the tailboney behind" off the throne and resume my day. I resolved then and there that I wasn't going to have any more of that stuff on Day 2, because it was really obvious to me that 1) it was working, and 2) I was pretty cleaned out.

So, I concentrated on slaking my thirst and KICKING MY OWN ASS for putting my body through that self-poisoning and chelating experience in the first place. Self-flagellation is good for the soul, true. But, the body? Not so much. LOL

I sure was glad I'd paid attention to my "inner voice" to stop at either 3 or 4 instead of go from never having had the clay before to 4000mg 2x a day.

I highly recommend working up to doing this. As I found out later when I was telling the Holistic MD resource I'd mentioned in my earlier postings today, it was a good, instinctive thing I did to start slower than at full strength so to speak. They couldn't resist pointing out that I couldn't possibly have had any more than a couple milligrams of radiation that needed chelating out of my stomach. And I'd taken 4000mg total in 24hours to hunt down and capture those 2 stinkin' milligrams. Then Doc had a good laugh at my expense. I never thought of it in those terms, because I don't know how much radioactive particles weigh...never dawned on me to research that. So, I joined in the good laugh at my expense.

Oh, and a positive that has come from all that? By the afternoon of the day after I started this 24 hour French Green Clay regimen? I felt about 15 years younger, clearer in my head and thinking department, and that lasted for about 48 hours. It was so remarkably different than the conscious plodding through my day as I customarily do in my semi-retirement years, I made mental note of that pleasant side-effect.

For 48 hours I didn't have another BM of any kind. Can't say I missed the experience either. ;D
Then within 72 hours, I was back to the "usual throughput" as well as my normal, subdued and plodding self.

Pictures of my capsule filler workaround shortly. Doesn't have to be fancy I found out. But I am buying a "retail, pill-filler gizmo" like I see on the 'net from various suppliers.

beefsteak

P.S.
I found out since returning from my Holistic MD interview, that I lucked into having consumed the exact sourced French Green Clay Dr. Starr-Hull associates with on her website. I had no clue who the wife bought her beauty mask clay from, I just grabbed it. How's that for a stroke of the universe looking out for old fools who drink bad milk and then ask questions later, and have to "eat clay...."

[lapis]

Thanks for your er, um, report! ;D

[lapis]

I'm thinking about ordering some French Green clay from the Mountain Rose Herbs Company. It's only $10.75/lb.

http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/clay/clay.html

I've been ordering herbal teas and essential oils from them for years. Hopefully shipping won't be too high since they're in CA.

[beefsteak]

Confession time, Lapis.

I've never written such a true story before. I read it to the wife first, and she said I was entertaining at least. I guess that's something. But we're all adults around here, so I took a risk.

Besides, wasn't it Gunny who was talking about human #2 being a source of fertilizer about 6 pages back?

I recall thinking at the time, "I don't think so, Gunny. NOT from my perspective." I think we better go hydroponics and "fertilizer tea" making from pruning of our indoor veggie gardens plus normal composting practices inside our sheltered gardens, as well.

At least that's my plan around here.

beefsteak

[Antonio]

GREAT to hear from you, Antonio! ;D

Don't let yourself get baited again. Jerks do NOT mean for your good--and I don't even know who was jerking your chain nor why. WE need you on this thread, k? It's been a long 2 weeks for us, your friends on here.

beefsteak


This thread may continue for another 100 years and nobody will be banned for posting here. Here we all post like adults because the situation at hand is a very adult one. The General section often leads to bans because people, including me, lose it over inane political crap. Isn`t it funny how the topic of Pu239 sliding into the damn ocean makes us love each other and forget our political leanings?
I was full of anti-Jap hate right before the 3/11 because of the Kuril Island situation and now I wish nothing but the very best for the Japanese.

Regardless of my Russian "screw it all" attitude towards radiation, I think of how much of human psychic energy is consumed by radiation fears, the sheer stress of having to live thru a nuclear catastrophe. There are real health effects of radiation and there are real, measurable health effects of stress. A mother shouldn`t go thru life worrying about what is going to happen to her kids. How many lives are poisoned by fears of radiation dangers,both real and imagined? There are no geiger counters that can measure this yet. Those who have a fatalistic attitude like me are blessed, same as those who are completely ignorant about radiation ( there are very few of those left on this planet :).)

The reason why I think of the radiation stress is my aunt`s husband was one of those liquidators. He went to Chernobyl, came back and died shortly after from a heart-attack. There is a possibility that it was the stress of waiting for the radiation effects to appear that caused his death.

[beefsteak]

I'm thinking about ordering some French Green clay from the Mountain Rose Herbs Company. It's only $10.75/lb.

http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/clay/clay.html

I've been ordering herbal teas and essential oils from them for years. Hopefully shipping won't be too high since they're in CA.


Sounds good, Lapis. Asked the wife, and she liked their description, for what that's worth.

RE: Shipping? I'm just sucking it up and paying it. Something I gotta have and it AIN'T all real close by, y'know?

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

I hear you, Antonio. Sorry your uncle, one of the liquidators died so prematurely. He truly was a remarkable man to have done that for his family and his country. Heck, for his and my WORLD. The dirth of such leadership and commitment by TEPCO makes your Uncle's sacrifice all the more remarkable!!!

The "geiger counter" for indicating stress, is blood pressure, and the various dis-ease resulting from excessive stressing. Then there is another barometer: observable mood change of a very stress burdened individual.

Not wanting to stress is why I was glad I had some of the wife's French Green Clay to grab and at least "do something positive" w/r/t. the 2 mgs of radiation consumed. It may have been the wrong dosing amount, but at least I tried something, and I "lived to tell the tale." At least I have that mitigation experience quite literally under my belt, and the "mystery" removed. I really am a doer kind of guy, and hate sitting around wondering about stuff. I'd rather be proactive than reactive, tho', that be a FACT!

There was just something about learning that THAT is why our family cat sometimes eats dirt.
I've always wondered what nature has planned for our non-talking 4 footed-friends when they obsess over a "stale mouse" or a "too long on the ground" fallen bird, etc.

Speaking of French Green Clay, Antonio, do you recall anything about the "freely handed out chocolate bars" to the populace, at least on the Soviet Army Bases after Chernobyl?

Or the burying of the razed contaminated buildings in French Green Clay as Dr. Starr-Hull reports on first hand?

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Hi, Osaka,

I see you are on the thread. It is so very good to see you logged in. Are you still in Japan?
Do you have anything you'd like to share?

Your input is very welcome, and your ability to speak the language fluently is inestimably valuable.

Please don't be a stranger, bro'. We are all in this soup together!!!

beefsteak

[Antonio]

Please don't be a stranger, bro'. We are all in this soup together!!!

beefsteak


This is the summary of this gigantic thread.
PS. I`m no expert on nuclear matters but what I can tell you after living in Russia is that you MUST get control over your fears. There are millions of people living in Russia who were exposed to dangerous levels which we hopefiully will never encounter here in USA. We are mere spectators here. I just read about a Russian liquidator who had to give a ride in his car to some army general from Moscow. The liquidator is still alive and well and he remembers that he was so radioactive at the time that the general curled up in a ball in the back seat with his geiger and seethed: " why didn`t you tell me you were so radioactive?". The guy is rofl about this general dying from fear of being next to him . Here you see the extreme opposite attitudes, one guy goes thru acute radiation sickness and laughs about it 25 yrs later and the other is afraid of being next to him for an hour.
My nuclear expertise is next to zero but I can lift your spirits by posting such anecdotes once in a while, being a native Russian speaker and surfing Russian sites which are not translated into English. I`m not employed by nuclear industry and I`m anti-nuclear power so my trying to minimize nuclear fears is sincere because I try to minimize them in myself as well and such stories do help.

[sirgonzo420]

Antonio, glad you're back, мой друг!

[Serpo]

Japan to scrap nuclear power in favour of renewables

The prime minister says Japan must 'start from scratch' and abandon its plan to obtain half its energy from atomic power

Japan will scrap a plan to obtain half of its electricity from nuclear power and will instead promote renewable energy as a result of its nuclear crisis, the prime minister said Tuesday.

Naoto Kan said Japan needs to "start from scratch" on its long-term energy policy after the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant was heavily damaged by a 11 March earthquake and tsunami and began leaking radiation.

Japan's nuclear plants supplied about 30% of the country's electricity, and the government had planned to raise that to 50%.

Kan told a news conference that nuclear and fossil fuel used to be the pillars of Japanese energy policy but now it will add two more – renewable energy such as solar, wind and biomass, and an increased focus on conservation.

"We will thoroughly ensure safety for nuclear power generation and make efforts to further promote renewable energy," an area where Japan has lagged behind Europe and the US, he said.

On Monday a landmark report by the UN's climate science body, the IPCC, said that renewable energy could account for 80% of the world's energy supply by 2050 – but only if governments pursue the right policies.

Kan also said he would take a pay cut beginning in June until the Fukushima nuclear crisis is resolved to take responsibility as part of the government that has promoted nuclear energy. He didn't specify how much of a pay cut he would take.

The operator of the stricken power plant, Tokyo Electric Power Co (Tepco), has been struggling for nearly two months to restore critical cooling systems that were knocked out by the disaster. Some 80,000 people living within a 12-mile radius of the plant were evacuated from their homes on 12 March, with many living in gymnasiums.

On Tuesday, about 100 evacuees were allowed into that exclusion zone briefly to gather belongings from their homes.

The excursion marked the first time the government has felt confident enough in the safety of the area to allow even short trips there. Residents have been pushing hard for weeks for permission to check up on their homes.

The evacuees boarded chartered government buses for the two-hour visit.

They were provided with protective suits, goggles and face masks to wear while in the zone, and were issued plastic bags to put their belongings in. They were also given dosimeters to monitor radiation levels and walkie-talkies.

All were to be screened for radiation contamination after leaving the zone.

More visits are planned, but residents fear they may never be able to return for good.

Many had been secretly sneaking back into the zone during the day, but the government – concerned over safety and the possibility of theft – began enforcing stricter roadblocks and imposing fines on 22 April.

The official visits were seen as a compromise that took both safety and the wishes of the residents into consideration.

The government and Tepco in April projected that bringing the plant to a cold shutdown could take six to nine months and residents might be able to return to resume their lives. But they admit that timing is a best-case scenario.

On Monday, another utility, Chubu Electric Power Co, agreed to shutter three reactors at a coastal power plant while it builds a seawall and improves other tsunami defenses there.

Kan requested the temporary shutdown at the Hamaoka plant amid predictions an earthquake of magnitude 8.0 or higher could strike the central Japanese region within 30 years. The government's decision came after evaluating Japan's 54 reactors for quake and tsunami vulnerability after the 11 March disasters. The Hamaoka facility sits above a major fault line and has long been considered Japan's riskiest nuclear power plant.

Kan said Japan will have to compile Japan's new energy policy in a report for submission to the International Atomic Energy Agency in June. He didn't give any numerical estimates for each source of energy in the new policy.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/may/10/japan-nuclear-renewables