What if the Jap reactor Blows??? what will be the effect on the Western USA???

[Hillbilly]

This article is really hitting close with me. What do we have to look forward to and what would we have to do to weather something like this out???

here is the article:

http://modernsurvivalblog.com/nuclear/west-coast-usa-danger-if-japan-nuclear-reactor-meltdown/

http://modernsurvivalblog.com/nuclear/west-coast-usa-danger-if-japan-nuclear-reactor-meltdown/

[Gaillo]

What if?

It's already happened. The reactor blew:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.nuclear/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

[Olmstein]

Where can I get Iodine tablets? Walgreens? CVS?

[cortez]

i looked today and my multi vitiamin has 100% supply of iodine. maybe you'll need alot more if near reactor

[Olmstein]

i looked today and my multi vitiamin has 100% supply of iodine. maybe you'll need alot more if near reactor


If this is as bad as it looks, we could have fallout here in the US.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHfR_wybvw0&feature=player_embedded#at=12

[Hillbilly]

Oh fuck! I should have bot them iodine tablets when I had the chance. >:( I wonder if that betadine stuff I got for cuts would work???





What if?

It's already happened. The reactor blew:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.nuclear/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

[Hillbilly]

Oh God that looks bad! so we have about 30 hours left before we get hit with that???





i looked today and my multi vitiamin has 100% supply of iodine. maybe you'll need alot more if near reactor


If this is as bad as it looks, we could have fallout here in the US.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHfR_wybvw0&feature=player_embedded#at=12

[Publico Pro Se]

Not saying the explosion isn't bad but the explosion is ground level and not high in the atmosphere like above ground atomic tests where the shyt is put into the jet stream. Now is the time to chem-trail the cloud and make it fallout as rain (over the freaking ocean and not wait until it's over land).

[oldmansmith]

i looked today and my multi vitiamin has 100% supply of iodine. maybe you'll need alot more if near reactor



No, you would still need to take the potassium iodine tablets to saturate all the sites in your thyroid. Multivitamins don't cut it.

[cortez]

i looked today and my multi vitiamin has 100% supply of iodine. maybe you'll need alot more if near reactor



No, you would still need to take. the potassium iodine tablets to saturate all the sites in your thyroid. Multivitamins don't cut it.


would you know about how many milligrams? whats the difference between iodine and potassium iodine? i understand that you want the thyroid saturated that way it dosnt want to absorb the isotopes in your environment. someone has to be tracking the radioactive cloud now, right??? i'm here in wyoming , how much disipates into the atmosphere??

[Large Sarge]

nuclear fallout (like from a bomb) dissipates in hours (most of it is gone in the first 8 hours)

and by 2 weeks it is 99% gone

this is not quite the same, this is nuclear material blown into the atmosphere

when Dubya did his shock and awe, he was setting off nuclear alarms in great britain from all the depleted uranium blown miles into the air.

My best advice is to limit your time outside, set air conditioner to recirculate the air (if you can), stay out of the rain, etc

from my own research, survival during a nuclear attack/exposure is all about limiting initial exposures.

[woodman]

What the hell are they doing building nuke plants in a known earthquake zone? Stupid bastards.

[mick silver]

there laying down chem-trail here . anyone in ky take a look

[Large Sarge]

one thing to keep in mind,

although not tested

I suspect "chi"/ "prana"/ "orgone" etc would fix or cure radiation sickness.

when scientists look at radiation levels, they look at "half life" (i.e. 20,000 years or so for plutonium)

well they say this like it is written in stone

Chi/orgone actually effects half life, changing the value, and the time

This makes all the "carbon dating" pretty much worthless

there is a relationship between chi and nuclear radiation,

I am not sure on all of it, but they do work together and effect each other

[General of Darkness]

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallout.jpg

[solid]

Damnit, yesterday tsunami, today nuclear fallout. What is this, doom weekend? What is in store for tomorrow, attack by aliens?

[General of Darkness]

What is in store for tomorrow, attack by aliens?


Tomorrow? WTF you talking about Willis?

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/dingodrive85/AlienInvasion.png

[solid]

Tomorrow? WTF you talking about Willis?


Just making a point that I think I've reached a level where nothing could surprise me anymore..

Of course, if the aliens did plan on attacking tomorrow, maybe nuclear fallout will postpone their attack until next weekend. It's always good to look on the bright side. ;D

[willie pete]

What is in store for tomorrow, attack by aliens?


Tomorrow? WTF you talking about Willis?

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/dingodrive85/AlienInvasion.png


alien invasions.... :D

[gunDriller]

What the hell are they doing building nuke plants in a known earthquake zone? Stupid bastards.


Japan has little in the way of natural resources.

maybe they'll get smarter and start using more geothermal from Mt. Fuji, along with tidal power and OTEC.

[nunaem]

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallout.jpg


WTH, it's all coming here? Revenge for Hiroshima and Nagasaki I guess. :P

[sunshine05]

Buy Lugol's iodine if you can find it. I supplement with it sometimes so I have a bottle on hand.
https://www.jcrows.com/lugolsiodineorderform.html

Saturday, March 12, 2011
Japan, Radiation Fallout and Iodine Recommendations
With the terrible earthquake in Japan, let’s send thoughts, prayers as well as assistance to the Japanese.

I have had inquiries about the use of iodine to prevent problems secondary to the nuclear fallout that will occur. As the Japanese nuclear reactors release radiation into the air, the jet streams will push this radiation to the Western U.S. and Canada. There are estimates that the radiation fallout will reach the Western side of N. American in six to ten days. Furthermore, I have seen estimates that it is expected that 750 RADS may contaminate these areas.

How much is 750 RADS? One chest x-ray is approximately 3/100 RADS. One CT scan is 1 RAD.

Folks, potentially this is a lot of radiation. Fortunately, we have an item that can prevent this fallout from damaging us: iodine. If there is enough inorganic, non-radioactive iodine in our bodies, the radioactive fallout has nowhere to bind in our bodies. IT will pass through, unharmed.

It is important to ensure that we have adequate iodine levels BEFORE this fallout hits. How much iodine is recommended?
The CDC recommends using iodine to prevent injury form radioactive iodine fallout. Adults and women who are breastfeeding should take 130mg of potassium iodide. Children who are between 3 and 18 years of age should take 65mg of potassium iodide. Children who are adult size should take the adult dose. Infants and children between 1 month and 3 years of age should take 32mg of potassium iodide. Newborns from birth to one month of age should be given 16mg of potassium iodide.

When should you take iodine? For an acute exposure, you want to take iodine just before the exposure hits. Iodine is cleared out of the body within 24 to 72 hours after taking it. However, If you have been using ortho-iodosupplementation as I describe in my books and lectures (taking from 6-50mg/day of iodine and iodide), you should be covered. Remember, the goal is to not let the radioactive iodine bind in the body.

Potassium iodide can be found in many health food stores. Combinations of iodide/iodine can be obtained from holistic physicians. Iodoral, Iodozyme HP, and Lugol’s solution are examples of this form of iodine. For long-term treatment, combinations are much more effective. More information about this can be found in my book, Iodine Why You Need It, Why You Can’t Live Without It, 4th Edition (available at www.drbrownstein.com).

I do not recommend starting the first dose of iodine right now. It is important to follow the news reports and supplement accordingly. I would suggest starting iodine supplements within one to two days of the expected fallout. If the fallout is expected to continue, you may need to take more than one dose of iodine. I will keep you updated as I find out more information.

http://drdavidbrownstein.blogspot.com/

[Ares]

Unfortunately it's not radioactive Iodine that is making it's way across the pacific. But Cesium 137, Iodine pills will not help you with Cesium-137.

You get radioactive Iodine with an above ground nuclear explosion as Iodine occurs naturally in the earth's crust. It is irradiated during the explosion and spewed into the atmosphere where it is part of the fallout. Cesium-137 is the nuclear waste of uranium-235, it's formed as a bi-product of the nuclear fission process.

The good news is that Cesium is "only" radioactive for about 30 or so years.

Chemical Prussian Blue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_blue) removes Cesium-137 from the body. But not exactly sure where you would find it.

But supplementing Iodine isn't a bad thing. I do because our diets lack Iodine to begin with. But just giving you guys a heads up that it will NOT protect you against Cesium-137 fallout.

[platinumdude]

Drudge has this now:

MORE SERIOUS THAN THREE MILE ISLAND... DEVELOPING...

[Son-of-Liberty]

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallout.jpg

Do we know if these numbers are accurate? What are the numbers based on and what is the source?

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

http://www.ki4u.com/

Lots of nook stuff and info on that site.... in the event that there's a next time...
Cali could have the same problem no? They have at least 2 that I know of.

[muffin]

Are we supposed to freak out now? The way I read it is that a pump blew up. And the reactors are still up and the temps are lowering to safe levels.


The walls of a concrete building surrounding the reactor container collapsed, but the reactor and its containment system were not damaged in the explosion, Edano said.

Am I reading this wrong? Are we in imminent danger?

[cortez]

Are we supposed to freak out now? The way I read it is that a pump blew up. And the reactors are still up and the temps are lowering to safe levels.


The walls of a concrete building surrounding the reactor container collapsed, but the reactor and its containment system were not damaged in the explosion, Edano said.

Am I reading this wrong? Are we in imminent danger?


the roof just dosnt collapse and what did all that concrete hit when it landed?

[Spectrism]

When I heard they released radioactive steam to reduce the pressure, I knew immediately that they are toast. This plant is in failure already. Don't let the political speak deter you from understanding the gravity of this. This is a major disaster unfolding. It sounds like they did NOT plan contingencies very well.

[Son-of-Liberty]

This is exactly what is wrong with nuke power, you have a problem and all the neighbors pay for it.

Just like in the old days where you shit in the creek that your neighbor downstream is taking a bath


http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallout.jpg


What is the source of that nuclear fallout map? Is that for a full blown melt down? From what I can gather that hasn't happened yet. The area affected is huge though probably half the forum is affected.

[Son-of-Liberty]

http://theintelhub.com/2011/03/12/29810/

Global Intelligence

March 12, 2011

A March 12 explosion at the earthquake-damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant in Okuma, Japan, appears to have caused a reactor meltdown.

The key piece of technology in a nuclear reactor is the control rods. Nuclear fuel generates neutrons; controlling the flow and production rate of these neutrons is what generates heat, and from the heat, electricity. Control rods absorb neutrons — the rods slide in and out of the fuel mass to regulate neutron emission, and with it, heat and electricity generation.

A meltdown occurs when the control rods fail to contain the neutron emission and the heat levels inside the reactor thus rise to a point that the fuel itself melts, generally temperatures in excess of 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit, causing uncontrolled radiation-generating reactions and making approaching the reactor incredibly hazardous. A meltdown does not necessarily mean a nuclear disaster. As long as the reactor core, which is specifically designed to contain high levels of heat, pressure and radiation, remains intact, the melted fuel can be dealt with. If the core breaches but the containment facility built around the core remains intact, the melted fuel can still be dealt with — typically entombed within specialized concrete — but the cost and difficulty of such containment increases exponentially.

[Son-of-Liberty]

Recent news article concerning the meltdown. Saturday 12 March 2011 11.40 GMT

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/12/fukushima-nuclear-blast-japan-alert

[bellevuebully]

Expect a full core melt. They are pumping sea water as coolant. That is full blown desperation. All of the lost coolant is radioactive and has obviously been released. What they are trying to do, in addition to provide coolant, is to provide a medium around the core that can moderated the fissioning process by means of light water and control rods.

The three governing principals of any nuclear station are cool the core, control the fissioning process and contain radioactive products. They apparently have breached all three.

I work in nuclear power, so I have a pretty good working understanding of what is going on here. This is very bad.

[Son-of-Liberty]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-12723092

[JohnQPublic]

This is exactly what is wrong with nuke power, you have a problem and all the neighbors pay for it.

Just like in the old days where you shit in the creek that your neighbor downstream is taking a bath


http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallout.jpg


I am questioning this. Here's another one. Instead of the Australian Radiation Servies (http://www.australian-radiation-services.com.au/index.php?page=21). it is the "U.S. NRC:

http://i54.tinypic.com/abi0ll.jpg

I sent an email to the Australian Radiation Services. I'll let you know if they respond.

[Son-of-Liberty]

WTF the first map is showing the yellow contamination area to be in 10 days, the second that JohnQ posted is the same map but says 48 hours, pretty big difference! I really would like to know if I am going to be irradiated and if so when, so I can figure out what if anything I should do, but I can't find any data I trust.

[AndreaGail]

the yellow should be 75, not 750 if accurate




This is exactly what is wrong with nuke power, you have a problem and all the neighbors pay for it.

Just like in the old days where you shit in the creek that your neighbor downstream is taking a bath


http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallout.jpg


I am questioning this. Here's another one. Instead of the Australian Radiation Servies (http://www.australian-radiation-services.com.au/index.php?page=21). it is the "U.S. NRC:

http://i54.tinypic.com/abi0ll.jpg

I sent an email to the Australian Radiation Services. I'll let you know if they respond.

[JohnQPublic]

Acoording to this: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_japan_earthquake

The core is still contained , and this is just a hydrogen explosion.

[mightymanx]

This is brilliant fear mongering to try and put a black eye on the only green energy that works.

What can we do to get people to panic and flock to the state to save then.

Look for the scarry moozlem tie in next.

[Son-of-Liberty]

Acoording to this: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_japan_earthquake

The core is still contained , and this is just a hydrogen explosion.


That is what I have gathered from what I have been reading as well. Obviously there is radiation escaping but it should mostly be contained by the ground and all the salt water they are pumping in there and not all going into the atmosphere.

[Son-of-Liberty]

the yellow should be 75, not 750 if accurate




This is exactly what is wrong with nuke power, you have a problem and all the neighbors pay for it.

Just like in the old days where you shit in the creek that your neighbor downstream is taking a bath


http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallout.jpg


I am questioning this. Here's another one. Instead of the Australian Radiation Servies (http://www.australian-radiation-services.com.au/index.php?page=21). it is the "U.S. NRC:

http://i54.tinypic.com/abi0ll.jpg

I sent an email to the Australian Radiation Services. I'll let you know if they respond.

Another good catch. Also the first map is showing rads of 3000, 1500, and 750. The second is showing 300, 150, and correcting for the typo 75. I still trying to figure the source for the map. Is this an existing map that people are just photo shopping whatever they want onto it and causing hysteria?

[Cobalt]

The map I posted was pulled from an earlier post in this thread, being that it has an imageshack url it is most likely not a official map

[Son-of-Liberty]

The map I posted was pulled from an earlier post in this thread, being that it has an imageshack url it is most likely not a official map


Ok thanks, I figured yours was just a re-post of the first one but at least that clears up some of the confusion.

[woodman]

This is brilliant fear mongering to try and put a black eye on the only green energy that works.

What can we do to get people to panic and flock to the state to save then.

Look for the scarry moozlem tie in next.


It may indeed be fear mongoring. We have no idea. It is also quite plausible, is it not? As far as green, there is nothing green about something that can destroy vast areas of the earth due to accidental or sobatage events. Remember Murphy's law. I have been against nuke plants since I was a boy. When they figure out how to do it safely and without waste that will remain forever dangerous then I will get right behind it and be it's biggest supporter. I believe that day will come. It has not arrived yet.

[Vendico]

My best advice is to limit your time outside, set air conditioner to recirculate the air (if you can), stay out of the rain, etc



I agree, but the guy being interviewed in this video said to turn OFF your AC!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-mHN91I2E8

Jump to 5:30

[Ponce]

Don't forget to add the oil spill to the radiaton..........is the ende of the world I am telling you, the end of the world...............about freaking time, mother Earth is veryyyyyyyyy angry with us.

[JDRock]

...i duuno maybe a bunch of lil slanted eye m-fvkers running around blaming GODZIRRA!

[Antonio]

Govts LIE everywhere everytime. I don`t have a good feeling about all this after seeng the reactor become airborn...

[Sparky]

This is brilliant fear mongering to try and put a black eye on the only green energy that works.

What can we do to get people to panic and flock to the state to save then.

Look for the scarry moozlem tie in next.


It's taken the U.S. public 30 years to get comfortable with the idea of nuclear power to the point where I think we were headed toward building new plants. Whether you are pro or con, this incident is a massive blow toward that sentiment.

[Large Sarge]

My best advice is to limit your time outside, set air conditioner to recirculate the air (if you can), stay out of the rain, etc



I agree, but the guy being interviewed in this video said to turn OFF your AC!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-mHN91I2E8

Jump to 5:30


same premise, limit exposure

[Antonio]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_japan_earthquake

IWAKI, Japan – An explosion at a nuclear power plant on Japan's devastated coast destroyed a building Saturday and made leaking radiation, or even outright meltdown, the central threat menacing a nation just beginning to grasp the scale of a catastrophic earthquake and tsunami.

The Japanese government said radiation emanating from the plant appeared to have decreased after the blast, which produced a cloud of white smoke that obscured the complex. But the danger was grave enough that officials pumped seawater into the reactor to avoid disaster and moved 170,000 people from the area.

Japan dealt with the nuclear threat as it struggled to determine the scope of the earthquake, the most powerful in its recorded history, and the tsunami that ravaged its northeast Friday with breathtaking speed and power. The official count of the dead was 686, but the government said the figure could far exceed 1,000.

Teams searched for the missing along hundreds of miles of the Japanese coast, and thousands of hungry survivors huddled in darkened emergency centers that were cut off from rescuers and aid. At least a million households had gone without water since the quake struck. Large areas of the countryside were surrounded by water and unreachable.

The explosion at the nuclear plant, Fukushima Dai-ichi, 170 miles northeast of Tokyo, appeared to be a consequence of steps taken to prevent a meltdown after the quake and tsunami knocked out power to the plant, crippling the system used to cool fuel rods there.

The blast destroyed the building housing the reactor, but not the reactor itself, which is enveloped by stainless steel 6 inches thick.

Inside that superheated steel vessel, water being poured over the fuel rods to cool them formed hydrogen. When officials released some of the hydrogen gas to relieve pressure inside the reactor, the hydrogen apparently reacted with oxygen, either in the air or the cooling water, and caused the explosion.

"They are working furiously to find a solution to cool the core," said Mark Hibbs, a senior associate at the Nuclear Policy Program for the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

Nuclear agency officials said Japan was injecting seawater into the core — an indication, Hibbs said, of "how serious the problem is and how the Japanese had to resort to unusual and improvised solutions to cool the reactor core."

Officials declined to say what the temperature was inside the troubled reactor, Unit 1. At 2,200 degrees Fahrenheit, the zirconium casings of the fuel rods can react with the cooling water and create hydrogen. At 4,000 degrees, the uranium fuel pellets inside the rods start to melt, the beginning of a meltdown.

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said radiation around the plant had fallen, not risen, after the blast but did not offer an explanation. Virtually any increase in dispersed radiation can raise the risk of cancer, and authorities were planning to distribute iodine, which helps protect against thyroid cancer. Authorities moved 170,000 people out of the area within 12 miles of the reactor, said the Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency, citing information from Japanese officials.

It was the first time Japan had confronted the threat of a significant spread of radiation since the greatest nightmare in its history, a catastrophe exponentially worse: the 1945 atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki by the United States, which resulted in more than 200,000 deaths from the explosions, fallout and radiation sickness.

Officials have said that radiation levels at Fukushima were elevated before the blast: At one point, the plant was releasing each hour the amount of radiation a person normally absorbs from the environment each year.

The Japanese utility that runs the plant said four workers suffered fractures and bruises and were being treated at a hospital.

As Japan entered its second night since the magnitude-8.9 quake, there were grim signs that the death toll could soar. One report said no one could find four whole trains. Others said 9,500 people in one coastal town were unaccounted for and that at least 200 bodies had washed ashore elsewhere.

The government said 642 people were missing and 1,426 injured.

Atsushi Ito, an official in Miyagi prefecture, among the worst hit states, could not confirm the figures, noting that with so little access to the area, thousands of people in scores of towns could not yet be reached.

"Our estimates based on reported cases alone suggest that more than 1,000 people have lost their lives in the disaster," Edano said. "Unfortunately, the actual damage could far exceed that number considering the difficulty assessing the full extent of damage."

Japan, among the most technologically advanced countries in the world, is well-prepared for earthquakes. Its buildings are made to withstand strong jolts — even Friday's, the strongest in Japan since official records began in the late 1800s. The tsunami that followed was beyond human control.

With waves 23 feet high and the speed of a jumbo jet, it raced inland as far as six miles, swallowing homes, cars, trees, people and anything else in its path.

"The tsunami was unbelievably fast," said Koichi Takairin, a 34-year-old truck driver who was inside his sturdy, four-ton rig when the wave hit the port town of Sendai. "Smaller cars were being swept around me. All I could do was sit in my truck."

His rig ruined, he joined the steady flow of survivors who walked along the road away from the sea and back into the city Saturday.

Smashed cars and small airplanes were jumbled against buildings near the local airport, several miles from the shore. Felled trees and wooden debris lay everywhere as rescue workers in boats nosed through murky waters and around flooded structures.

The tsunami set off warnings across the Pacific Ocean, and waves sent boats crashing into one another and demolished docs on the U.S. West Coast. In Crescent City, Calif., near the Oregon state line, one person was swept out to sea and had not been found Saturday.

In Japan early Sunday, firefighters had yet to contain a large blaze at the Cosmo Oil refinery in the city of Ichihara. Four million households remained without power. The Russian news agency RIA Novosti reported that Japan had asked for additional energy supplies from Russia.

Prime Minister Naoto Kan said 50,000 troops had joined the rescue and recovery efforts, helped by boats and helicopters. Dozens of countries offered to pitch in. President Barack Obama said one American aircraft carrier was already off Japan and a second on its way.

Aid had just begun to trickle into many areas. More than 215,000 people were living in 1,350 temporary shelters in five prefectures, the Japanese national police agency said.

"All we have to eat are biscuits and rice balls," said Noboru Uehara, 24, a delivery truck driver who was wrapped in a blanket against the cold at a shelter in Iwake. "I'm worried that we will run out of food."

The transport ministry said all highways from Tokyo leading to quake-stricken areas were closed, except for emergency vehicles. Mobile communications were spotty and calls to the devastated areas were going unanswered.

One hospital in Miyagi prefecture was seen surrounded by water, and the staff had painted "SOS," in English, on its rooftop and were waving white flags.

Around the nuclear plant, where 51,000 people had previously been urged to leave, others struggled to get away.

"Everyone wants to get out of the town. But the roads are terrible," said Reiko Takagi, a middle-aged woman, standing outside a taxi company. "It is too dangerous to go anywhere. But we are afraid that winds may change and bring radiation toward us."

Although the government played down fears of radiation leak, Japanese nuclear agency spokesman Shinji Kinjo acknowledged there were still fears of a meltdown — the collapse of a power plant's systems, rendering it unable regulate temperatures and keep the reactor fuel cool.

Yaroslov Shtrombakh, a Russian nuclear expert, said it was unlikely that the Japanese plant would suffer a meltdown like the one in 1986 at Chernobyl, when a reactor exploded and sent a cloud of radiation over much of Europe. That reactor, unlike the reactor at Fukushima, was not housed in a sealed container.

___

Kageyama reported from Tokyo. Associated Press writers Malcolm J. Foster, Mari Yamaguchi, Tomoko A. Hosaka and Shino Yuasa in Tokyo, Jay Alabaster in Sendai, Sylvia Hui in London, David Nowak in Moscow, and Margie Mason in Hanoi also contributed.

[bellevuebully]

The issue here is the cause of the original loss of coolant.

Essentially it works like a very basic boiler. The core is contained in a boiler which heats the water to steam which is carried away to pressure a turbine which acts as the heat sink. The steam is then condensed and pumped back to the boiler in the form of water.

All of these units have emergency coolant supplies in case of leakage. The fact that they have already used up this entire supply suggests the size of the breach in the heat transport loop to the turbine is massive and numerous, otherwise they would be able to isolate the breach and bypass the circuit around it.

They are leading the public to believe that they are adding sea water to the reactor to cool the bundles and that this might actually work. At the most it is buying a very short amount of time. There are two problems which they are not addressing to the public:

First, due to the obvious breach, this water is still escaping the loop. Not only that, but due to the design, the entire loop is irradiated. There is no seperation in a bwr type unit between the heat loop and the turbine steam....they are one in the same. So they will have to continuously add water at a greater rate than it is escaping. Each volume of water that is escaping is carrying with it fission products that are highly radioactive. This will all eventually end up on the ground or in the ocean.

Second, the core still requires a heat sink. You can't just submerse a fissioning core and walk away and think all is well. The heat that builds up in the boiler has to be converted to energy in order to remove the heat. If the transport loop is compromised, as it obviously is, you can't move the water around to move it to a heat sink.

As usual, the news coming out is misleading and trivializing of the situation. The general public has no idea how regulated this industry is. Adding sea water to the reactor is not in the operating manuals. When they start doing something outside of manuals and approved proceedures, it is well beyond a controlled situation. As a matter of fact, it is the essence of panic.

[bellevuebully]

This is brilliant fear mongering to try and put a black eye on the only green energy that works.

What can we do to get people to panic and flock to the state to save then.

Look for the scarry moozlem tie in next.


This is about the most ignorant statement I have ever witnessed on this site. Not ignorant in the sense of rude. Ignorant in the sense of you have no idea what you are talking about. If you had any working insight into how a nuclear station works, my guess is that you would be highly embarrassed of this statement and delete it. Personally, that would be my suggestion.

[mightymanx]

This is brilliant fear mongering to try and put a black eye on the only green energy that works.

What can we do to get people to panic and flock to the state to save then.

Look for the scarry moozlem tie in next.


This is about the most ignorant statement I have ever witnessed on this site. Not ignorant in the sense of rude. Ignorant in the sense of you have no idea what you are talking about. If you had any working insight into how a nuclear station works, my guess is that you would be highly embarrassed of this statement and delete it. Personally, that would be my suggestion.



20 year of US Naval Nuclear power. Living breathing and sleeping with in 100 feet of a S5W, S5G, S8G and S9G power plants. Guess again.

Enjoy the feeling of power by feeding the fear. So everyone clings to your every word.

[Antonio]

I`ve lived thru Chernobyl at 14 yrs of age, in the sense that I received a very significant amount of isotopes thru rain and contaminated food. I`m perfectly ok now, human body is an amazingly adaptable machine. I firmly believe that the fears of nuke exposure are exaggerated, millions in Russia have been exposed to infinitely higher levels than myself and they have no problems. Maybe our offspring will have an extra head or 2... ;)
Having said that, I still think any govt faced with a meltdown WILL minimize the initial estimates of danger in order to keep the public from sliding into a psychosis. They are doing everything they can and more, just like us during Chernobyl but they cannot deal with a nation-wide psychosis at the same time. They have already admitted the radiation levels are 1000x normal outside the plant.

[Antonio]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/12/us-japan-quake-nuclear-cooling-idUSTRE72B3GI20110312

(Reuters) - A quake-hit Japanese nuclear plant reeling from an explosion at one of its reactors has also lost its emergency cooling system at another reactor, Japan's nuclear power safety agency said on Sunday.

The emergency cooling system is no longer functioning at the No.3 reactor at Tokyo Electric Power Co's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power facility, requiring the facility to urgently secure a means to supply water to the reactor, an official of the Japan Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency told a news conference.

On Saturday, an explosion blew off the roof and upper walls of the building housing the facility's No. 1 reactor, stirring alarm over a possible major radiation release, although the government later said the explosion had not affected the reactor's core vessel and that only a small amount of radiation had been released.

The nuclear safety agency official said there was a possibility that at least nine individuals had been exposed to radiation, according to information gathered from municipal governments and other sources.

(Reporting by Risa Maeda; Editing by Edmund Klamann)

[vacuum]

This is exactly what is wrong with nuke power, you have a problem and all the neighbors pay for it.

Just like in the old days where you shit in the creek that your neighbor downstream is taking a bath


http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallout.jpg


I am questioning this. Here's another one. Instead of the Australian Radiation Servies (http://www.australian-radiation-services.com.au/index.php?page=21). it is the "U.S. NRC:

http://i54.tinypic.com/abi0ll.jpg

I sent an email to the Australian Radiation Services. I'll let you know if they respond.


What the hell is a "pacific deadzone"? And why are there 4 red dots?

[Cobalt]

One thing I have noticed about the nuke industry is that no matter how bad it is the so called experts will claim they are still in control and have a couple more options available to them right down to the last minute.

Three Mile Island and Chernobyl both prove that observation

[bellevuebully]

This is brilliant fear mongering to try and put a black eye on the only green energy that works.

What can we do to get people to panic and flock to the state to save then.

Look for the scarry moozlem tie in next.


This is about the most ignorant statement I have ever witnessed on this site. Not ignorant in the sense of rude. Ignorant in the sense of you have no idea what you are talking about. If you had any working insight into how a nuclear station works, my guess is that you would be highly embarrassed of this statement and delete it. Personally, that would be my suggestion.



20 year of US Naval Nuclear power. Living breathing and sleeping with in 100 feet of a S5W, S5G, S8G and S9G power plants. Guess again.

Enjoy the feeling of power by feeding the fear. So everyone clings to your every word.



I know people that work everyday withing 100 feet of a nuclear core. Some of them sweep floors and have no clue of what is going on within the core, or the systems used to control and operate them. Are you telling me that a core with a breached control and operating system is safe?

I have no reason to feed fear as you put it. If anything, this kind of event could endanger my livelihood. I am looking at facts based on a good understanding of the workings of a nuclear core.

Btw, what was your trade while in the Navy?

[solid]

What the hell is a "pacific deadzone"? And why are there 4 red dots?


Could that term refer to the north pacific high pressure system? In fact, that's my issue with that fallout map, it doesn't take into account the north pacific high, which could actually act as a buffer blocking the fallout from reaching the west coast. This time of year, the pressure system may still be too far south though.

[Hillbilly]

bellevuebully,


Thanks for the info. I'm glad some one knows what's going on and can shed some light on this disastrous situation.

Thanks



The issue here is the cause of the original loss of coolant.

Essentially it works like a very basic boiler. The core is contained in a boiler which heats the water to steam which is carried away to pressure a turbine which acts as the heat sink. The steam is then condensed and pumped back to the boiler in the form of water.

All of these units have emergency coolant supplies in case of leakage. The fact that they have already used up this entire supply suggests the size of the breach in the heat transport loop to the turbine is massive and numerous, otherwise they would be able to isolate the breach and bypass the circuit around it.

They are leading the public to believe that they are adding sea water to the reactor to cool the bundles and that this might actually work. At the most it is buying a very short amount of time. There are two problems which they are not addressing to the public:

First, due to the obvious breach, this water is still escaping the loop. Not only that, but due to the design, the entire loop is irradiated. There is no seperation in a bwr type unit between the heat loop and the turbine steam....they are one in the same. So they will have to continuously add water at a greater rate than it is escaping. Each volume of water that is escaping is carrying with it fission products that are highly radioactive. This will all eventually end up on the ground or in the ocean.

Second, the core still requires a heat sink. You can't just submerse a fissioning core and walk away and think all is well. The heat that builds up in the boiler has to be converted to energy in order to remove the heat. If the transport loop is compromised, as it obviously is, you can't move the water around to move it to a heat sink.

As usual, the news coming out is misleading and trivializing of the situation. The general public has no idea how regulated this industry is. Adding sea water to the reactor is not in the operating manuals. When they start doing something outside of manuals and approved proceedures, it is well beyond a controlled situation. As a matter of fact, it is the essence of panic.

[bellevuebully]

bellevuebully,


Thanks for the info. I'm glad some one knows what's going on and can shed some light on this disastrous situation.

Thanks



I'm not claiming to know everything that is going on. What I do know is the basic operation of these units. I also know (and work extensively everyday) with the heavily regulated proceedures within the nuclear industry, which are global in nature. You don't fart in a nuclear station without having a permit and conforming to the "farting in the station" proceedure. The very fact that they have stepped completely outside of the operation envelope of approved proceedures sheds light on how seriously the control measures have been compromised. As I said earlier.....I would be very surprised if this core maintained it's integrity.

[bellevuebully]

They've been trying to add boron to the reactor boiler. Boron is a poison to the reaction chain. It moderates the reaction to sub critical levels. Usually when added to the surrounding medium it 'poisons' the reaction very quickly. The fact that that is not happening says that the water in the boiler is leaking out, carrying the boron with it. Nobody seems to be asking the question 'where is all of the coolant going?'.

The reporting media is either very niave or very compliant.

[platinumdude]

So if the worst happens to the reactors, we will be affected by radiation here in the U.S.?

[Antonio]

So if the worst happens to the reactors, we will be affected by radiation here in the U.S.?


You can bet your last Mercury dime we are fucked if Japs go Chernobyl. Their reactor is the largest on the planet and is 100x more powerful than Chernobyl station.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZV9a24p6IM
fresh cracks and water seeping out.

[Cobalt]

They've been trying to add boron to the reactor boiler. Boron is a poison to the reaction chain. It moderates the reaction to sub critical levels. Usually when added to the surrounding medium it 'poisons' the reaction very quickly. The fact that that is not happening says that the water in the boiler is leaking out, carrying the boron with it. Nobody seems to be asking the question 'where is all of the coolant going?'.

The reporting media is either very niave or very compliant.


Looks like Ceradyne Inc bought into the Jap market in the nick of time :oo-->

Ceradyne makes all sorts of Boron based neutron absorbing products

Press release Mar 10 2011
http://investor.ceradyne.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=555957

Ceradyne Neutron absorption products page
http://www.ceradyne.com/products/neutron/neutron-absorption.aspx

[Large Sarge]

So if the worst happens to the reactors, we will be affected by radiation here in the U.S.?


You can bet your last Mercury dime we are fucked if Japs go Chernobyl. Their reactor is the largest on the planet and is 100x more powerful than Chernobyl station.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZV9a24p6IM
fresh cracks and water seeping out.


not doubting you Antonio, but you got a source

Japan is almost all nuclear power, so this would fit

I am just trying to guesstimate the possible size of this event

[bellevuebully]

Heard a good report. Probably one of the most informative since this started. Here is the breakdown....

Apparently the lack of cooling is due more to an inability to move the coolant than the actual lack of coolant medium, which is different to the original reports, and a less dire situation. They said that the backup generators and the backup battery banks (which run the pumps to move the coolant) failed and limited their ability to move coolant. I find that a little strange in that the country has restored power to some 2 million homes since power was lost....... but that is what they said.

In regard to the sea water they are pumping in, apparently it is not into the boiler where the core resides that they are injecting water, but into the containment vessel surrounding the boiler itself. The idea is that it will in effect create a huge water jacket around the entire boiler and reduce the temp enought to prevent it from melting until power can be restored.

Although that is less than an ideal situation, it is certainly better that the idea that there has been coolant loss throughout the system. Think of this as having a very hot rad in your vehicle (but the rad is generating it's own heat, not the engine). You have lost the ability to circulate coolant but still have the coolant in the system. So as an interim measure, you submerse the entire car in water until you can get the coolant in the system moving again.

Anyway, this is what is the newest which I have heard, so I thought I would share it. If it is accurate, they may at least have a shot.

[bellevuebully]

Let me give you an idea of how much power a reactor can generate.

Our 850MW units at full power generate the equivelant heat energy as 30 000, 747 jet engines at full power concentrated in a volume of a medium sized house.

[Antonio]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42044156/ns/world_news-asia-pacific/?GT1=43001

it`s partially melted, "partially"... I used to hear this word quite a lot, delivered in Russian with a Ukrainian accent 26 yrs ago...

[cortez]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.quake.nuclear.failure/index.html?hpt=T1

"There is a possibility, we see the possibility of a meltdown," said Toshihiro Bannai, director of the agency's international affairs office, in a telephone interview from the agency's headquarters in Tokyo. "At this point, we have still not confirmed that there is an actual meltdown, but there is a possibility."

[zap]

prisonplanet.com/japanese-nuclear-meltdown-confirmed-severity-and-path-of-fallout


he Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA) confirmed the meltdown Saturday afternoon. Fukushima is one of the 25 largest nuclear power stations in the world. The NISA is affiliated with the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry.
High levels of cesium and iodine, by-products of nuclear fission, are being reported and providing more evidence that a nuclear meltdown is currently underway.
It is now certain Japan is experiencing a Chernobyl event. “At this point, events in Japan bear many similarities to the 1986 Chernobyl disaster. Reports indicate that up to 1.5 meters (4.9 feet) of the reactor fuel was exposed. The reactor fuel appears to have at least partially melted, and the subsequent explosion has shattered the walls and roof of the containment vessel – and likely the remaining useful parts of the control and coolant systems,” Stratfor explains.
“Given the large quantity of irradiated nuclear fuel in the pool, the radioactivity release could be worse than the Chernobyl nuclear reactor catastrophe of 25 years ago,” said Kevin Camps, a nuclear waste specialist.
Prior to the explosion of the containment structure, exposure rates outside the plant were at about 620 millirems per hour. Radiation exposure for the average individual is 620 millirems per year. Virtually any increase in ambient radiation can raise long-term cancer rates, and authorities distributed iodine, which helps protect against thyroid cancer, The Oregonian reports.
As the image above illustrates, the prevailing jet stream moves from Japan to the United States across the Pacific Ocean. Airborne radiation would work its way into the jet stream and reach the United States in less than 36 hours. Jet streams flow from west to east in the upper portion of the troposphere.
By downplaying this serious disaster, the Japanese government is not only endangering its own people, but also millions of people in the United States and Canada.
The cover-up by the Japanese government provides more evidence that government cannot be trusted to safeguard the lives of its citizens.

[Cobalt]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42044156/ns/world_news-asia-pacific/?GT1=43001

it`s partially melted, "partially"... I used to hear this word quite a lot, delivered in Russian with a Ukrainian accent 26 yrs ago...



From the link

The Japanese authorities have classified the event at Fukushima Daiichi Unit 1 as a level 4 "accident with local consequences" on the International Nuclear and Radiological Event Scale (INES). The scale is used to consistently communicate the safety significance of events associated with sources of radiation. The scale runs from 0 (deviation -- no safety significance) to 7 (major accident).

The 1979 Three Mile Island accident in Pennsylvania was a level 5 ("accident with wider consequences"). The 1986 Chernobyl disaster was a level 7 ("major accident).

[Book]

This is brilliant fear mongering to try and put a black eye on the only green energy that works.



bellevuebully actually works in a nuclear power plant. You own stock in GE Hitachi Nuclear Energy (http://www.gepower.com/prod_serv/products/nuclear_energy/en/index.htm)?

|--0--|

[oldmansmith]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42044156/ns/world_news-asia-pacific/?GT1=43001

it`s partially melted, "partially"... I used to hear this word quite a lot, delivered in Russian with a Ukrainian accent 26 yrs ago...



From the link

The Japanese authorities have classified the event at Fukushima Daiichi Unit 1 as a level 4 "accident with local consequences" on the International Nuclear and Radiological Event Scale (INES). The scale is used to consistently communicate the safety significance of events associated with sources of radiation. The scale runs from 0 (deviation -- no safety significance) to 7 (major accident).

The 1979 Three Mile Island accident in Pennsylvania was a level 5 ("accident with wider consequences"). The 1986 Chernobyl disaster was a level 7 ("major accident).


And whaddya think the Russians would have classified Chernobyl at the same point in time, maybe level 2?

The fact that they admit it is level 4 means it is FUBAR (fucked up beyond all recognition).

[AOW]

Relax, it'll all be ok..... ::)


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2014480548_nukerisk13m.html


State health officials: little or no nuclear-exposure risk here
Washington state health officials monitoring the nuclear-plant incidents in Japan say there is currently no danger of exposure here. Air monitoring shows no...

Related

Washington state health officials monitoring the nuclear-plant incidents in Japan say there is currently no danger of exposure here.

Air monitoring shows no elevated radiation levels, said Department of Health spokesman Donn Moyer.

In a worst-case scenario, a nuclear meltdown could release radioactive isotopes, including iodine, that could reach the U.S. West Coast in six to 10 days, Dr. Ira Helfand, of Physicians for Social Responsibility, said in a briefing Saturday.

But the real danger is to people in Japan, where officials are distributing protective potassium iodide tablets to communities near the imperiled plants. The tablets prevent radioactive iodine from being absorbed into the thyroid gland.

Even in the worst-case scenario, Moyer said the possibility of people in Washington receiving significant radiation doses is slight.

"The likelihood of a public-health risk here is so low, it's off the scale."

[Large Sarge]

I will have to double check, but I believe the pacific current flows right by there

then North towards the aleutians/alaska and then down towards california/mexico

if my memory serves, that loop current will get some level of contamination as well

this thing is going to get real ugly

[Large Sarge]

had the frightening thought,

those asian traders, who were buying silver at every dip....

did we get a location for them?

was it japan or china?

what if comex silver default loomed...... and you decided to drop a nuke on a fault line, of the opposing team....

just speculating,

but most folks here know that silver was/is their only real weakness, gold market is to big and controlled....

[Antonio]

Just think what it`ll do to the fishing there, billions$ worth of crab every year...

[zap]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42044156/ns/world_news-asiapacific/?GT1=43001


The second one is melting down. :(

Second nuclear meltdown likely under way in Japan, official says
Seawater poured in to cool 1 reactor; venting starts at 2nd; thousands evacuated

[Gaillo]

Apparently, from what I'm reading, the casing has been breached and the core is exposed. That doesn't sound good... not good at ALL! :o

[Antonio]

I`ve to go to bed. I leave you all with this: whoever is now working at this reactor is the greatest hero presently walking the planet.
Wherever there is a catastrophe like this being attended to, you have to stop and think of the balls on those men...

[mightymanx]

The link below is by far the best info out there other than being there, the DOE, or at Naval Reactors office.

Be advised the numbers listed for levels are worthless without the locations and distances so don't jump on the alarm band wagon when it says 1 hour you will max your normal exposure limits. That phrase is worthless with out a location Time Distance and Shielding. Well with out the distance it is worthless data inside a reactor compartment that is no big deal 200 miles away it is a huge deal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_I_nuclear_incident#2011_earthquake_event s

[woodman]

Lots of conflicting info. http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20110312-japanese-government-confirms-meltdown?utm_source=redalert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=110312%286%29&utm_content=readmore&elq=c86dc2bfcc45422ca5bc02af946db30a

[mightymanx]

That is not really at odds with anything else the term meltdown is thrown out with out a definition If the core sustained damage that does not mean the vessel is breached what it means is the fuel or control rods are not 100% so based on what I read they decided to write off the core and use boron to "kill It" so no matter what it will stay sub critical.

Think of it like this I have a run away engine that is at redline and climbing (super critical "meltdown")

This reactor has been shut down but there is still heat left called decay heat that heat needs to be reduced slowly over time till the temperature is below the point that it can self start You need to add heat to get a reaction going again that is cooled down.

Blam an earthquake happens they shut down the reactor but they need to cool it down they lose power to their reactor coolant pumps that circulate the water that removes the decay heat the heat needs to go some where so pressure starts to climb. In a non-pressurized reactor the water can turn to steam more quickly than a reactor that is under pressure so you start to get steam buildup. You will need to vent the steam off or you could rupture the containment structure, which is not the reactor vessel. Now with all that water flashing to steam the water level that cools the fuel will start to fall so you need to add water somehow now they decided to add boron with the water that will make it so the reaction can’t occur due to boron having the ability to soak up all the extra neutrons that want to start the reaction back up so now that will destroy the core. (Think of pouring concrete into your engine to ensure it will not start back up) this will cause them to write off the entire core this decision is not to be taken lightly and it probably was made because they have indications that the core was damaged.

If they could have got the coolant pumps started this would be small potatoes but apparently there was too much damage to allow that to happen in a timely manner so now they wrote that one off and decided to kill it.

[Mouse]

There are US bases with 50k troops. I would wager they have plenty of bigass gensets and bigass helicopters to move them within a 24-30 hour period, and plenty of fuel. If this was a backup gen failure, unless done on purpose, they would have had new equipment in.

This is indicative of cooling loop failure (huge leak), inability to keep pressure and regardless of pumping capability, inevitable melt down.

It's already done, the explosion today was the containment vessel, and there are more units that have or will follow suit. All that water they are "pumping" from the sea is going to be radioactive.

Can have cookie?

[JohnQPublic]

Form the operators of the nuclear plants:

Tokyo Electric Power Plants

TEPCO News

Press Releases (http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/11031305-e.html)

Press Release (Mar 13,2011)
Plant Status of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station (as of 9am March 13th)


All 6 units of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station have been shut down.

Unit 1(Shut down)
- Reactor has been shut down. However, the unit is under inspection due to
the explosive sound and white smoke that was confirmed after the big
quake occurred at 3:36PM.
- We have been injecting sea water and boric acid which absorbs neutron
into the reactor core.

Unit 2(Shut down)
- Reactor has been shut down and Reactor Core Isolation Cooling System has
been injecting water to the reactor. Current reactor water level is lower
than normal level, but the water level is steady. After fully securing
safety, we are preparing to implement a measure to reduce the pressure of
the reactor containment vessels under the instruction of the national
government.

Unit 3(Shut down)
- Reactor has been shut down. However, High Pressure Core Injection System
has been automatically shut down and water injection to the reactor is
currently interrupted. We are examining alternative way to inject water.
Also, following the instruction by the government and with fully securing
safety, steps to lowering the pressure of reactor containment vessel has
been taken. Spraying in order to lower pressure level within the reactor
containment vessel has been cancelled.
- Currently, we do not believe there is any reactor coolant leakage inside
the reactor containment vessel.

Unit 4 (shut down due to regular inspection)
- Reactor has been shut down and sufficient level of reactor coolant to
ensure safety is maintained.
- Currently, we do not believe there is any reactor coolant leakage inside
the reactor containment vessel.

Unit 5 (outage due to regular inspection)
- Reactor has been shut down and sufficient level of reactor coolant to
ensure safety is maintained.
- Currently, we do not believe there is any reactor coolant leakage inside
the reactor containment vessel.

Unit 6 (outage due to regular inspection)
- Reactor has been shut down and sufficient level of reactor coolant to
ensure safety is maintained.
- Currently, we do not believe there is any reactor coolant leakage inside
the reactor containment vessel.

Casualty
- 2 workers of cooperative firm were injured at the occurrence of the
earthquake, and were transported to the hospital.
- 1 TEPCO employee who was not able to stand by his own with his hand
holding left chest was transported to the hospital by an ambulance.
- 1 subcontract worker at important earthquake-proof building was
unconscious and transported to the hospital by an ambulance.
- The radiation exposure of 1 TEPCO employee, who was working inside the
reactor building, exceeded 100mSv and was transported to the hospital.
- 4 workers were injured and transported to the hospital after explosive
sound and white smoke were confirmed around the Unit 1.
- Presence of 2 TEPCO employees at the site are not confirmed

Others
- We measured radioactive materials inside of the nuclear power station
area (outdoor) by monitoring car and confirmed that radioactive materials
level is higher than ordinary level. Also, the level at monitoring post
is higher than ordinary level. We will continue to monitor in detail the
possibility of radioactive material being discharged from exhaust stack
or discharge canal. The national government has instructed evacuation for
those local residents within 20km radius of the periphery because it's
possible that radioactive materials are discharged.

- We will continue to take all measures to restore the security of the site
and to monitor the environment of the site periphery.

[cortez]

http://www.redflarekits.com/mm5/merchant.mvc

to order potassium iodide and other things for fallout

[Gaillo]

This is a total MSM whitewash for sheep if I've ever seen one!

"Explosive sound" and "white smoke that was confirmed"? How fucking STUPID do they think we are? ???





Form the operators of the nuclear plants:

Tokyo Electric Power Plants

TEPCO News

Press Releases (http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/11031305-e.html)

Press Release (Mar 13,2011)
Plant Status of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station (as of 9am March 13th)


All 6 units of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station have been shut down.

Unit 1(Shut down)
- Reactor has been shut down. However, the unit is under inspection due to
the explosive sound and white smoke that was confirmed after the big
quake occurred at 3:36PM.
- We have been injecting sea water and boric acid which absorbs neutron
into the reactor core.

Unit 2(Shut down)
- Reactor has been shut down and Reactor Core Isolation Cooling System has
been injecting water to the reactor. Current reactor water level is lower
than normal level, but the water level is steady. After fully securing
safety, we are preparing to implement a measure to reduce the pressure of
the reactor containment vessels under the instruction of the national
government.

Unit 3(Shut down)
- Reactor has been shut down. However, High Pressure Core Injection System
has been automatically shut down and water injection to the reactor is
currently interrupted. We are examining alternative way to inject water.
Also, following the instruction by the government and with fully securing
safety, steps to lowering the pressure of reactor containment vessel has
been taken. Spraying in order to lower pressure level within the reactor
containment vessel has been cancelled.
- Currently, we do not believe there is any reactor coolant leakage inside
the reactor containment vessel.

Unit 4 (shut down due to regular inspection)
- Reactor has been shut down and sufficient level of reactor coolant to
ensure safety is maintained.
- Currently, we do not believe there is any reactor coolant leakage inside
the reactor containment vessel.

Unit 5 (outage due to regular inspection)
- Reactor has been shut down and sufficient level of reactor coolant to
ensure safety is maintained.
- Currently, we do not believe there is any reactor coolant leakage inside
the reactor containment vessel.

Unit 6 (outage due to regular inspection)
- Reactor has been shut down and sufficient level of reactor coolant to
ensure safety is maintained.
- Currently, we do not believe there is any reactor coolant leakage inside
the reactor containment vessel.

Casualty
- 2 workers of cooperative firm were injured at the occurrence of the
earthquake, and were transported to the hospital.
- 1 TEPCO employee who was not able to stand by his own with his hand
holding left chest was transported to the hospital by an ambulance.
- 1 subcontract worker at important earthquake-proof building was
unconscious and transported to the hospital by an ambulance.
- The radiation exposure of 1 TEPCO employee, who was working inside the
reactor building, exceeded 100mSv and was transported to the hospital.
- 4 workers were injured and transported to the hospital after explosive
sound and white smoke were confirmed around the Unit 1.
- Presence of 2 TEPCO employees at the site are not confirmed

Others
- We measured radioactive materials inside of the nuclear power station
area (outdoor) by monitoring car and confirmed that radioactive materials
level is higher than ordinary level. Also, the level at monitoring post
is higher than ordinary level. We will continue to monitor in detail the
possibility of radioactive material being discharged from exhaust stack
or discharge canal. The national government has instructed evacuation for
those local residents within 20km radius of the periphery because it's
possible that radioactive materials are discharged.

- We will continue to take all measures to restore the security of the site
and to monitor the environment of the site periphery.

[Gangsta99]

http://www.redflarekits.com/mm5/merchant.mvc

to order potassium iodide and other things for fallout


From what I understand potassium iodide pills are worthless against the type of radiation that people may be exposed to from this melting down. These type of pills are really only good for the type of situation that a nuke goes off hitting the ground and sending a shit ton of radiated iodide up into the atmosphere from the ground. That isn't something that will happen with a meltdown but the cesium 237 or whatever will be the issue.

[cortez]

http://www.redflarekits.com/mm5/merchant.mvc

to order potassium iodide and other things for fallout


From what I understand potassium iodide pills are worthless against the type of radiation that people may be exposed to from this melting down. These type of pills are really only good for the type of situation that a nuke goes off hitting the ground and sending a shit ton of radiated iodide up into the atmosphere from the ground. That isn't something that will happen with a meltdown but the cesium 237 or whatever will be the issue.


i've been trying to get to the bottom of this since i live in the west and figured something will be coming my way

[JohnQPublic]

Someone else posted that what is needed is Prussian Blue: http://www.remm.nlm.gov/prussianblue.htm

[cortez]

Someone else posted that what is needed is Prussian Blue: http://www.remm.nlm.gov/prussianblue.htm


looks like that is available by prescription only. also good discussion on coast to coast now

[Gaillo]

Someone else posted that what is needed is Prussian Blue: http://www.remm.nlm.gov/prussianblue.htm


looks like that is available by prescription only. also good discussion on coast to coast now


No problem... Here's how you MAKE it: ;D

http://chemlab.truman.edu/Chemistryofartlabs/Synthesis%20of%20Prussian%20Blue.pdf

[Antonio]

Someone else posted that what is needed is Prussian Blue: http://www.remm.nlm.gov/prussianblue.htm


looks like that is available by prescription only. also good discussion on coast to coast now


No problem... Here's how you MAKE it: ;D

http://chemlab.truman.edu/Chemistryofartlabs/Synthesis%20of%20Prussian%20Blue.pdf

I still remember that you make it by mixing potassium ferrocyanide with iron salts like FeCl2. You can easily make potassium cyanide from the first chemical and I won`t reveal here how you do it.

[Son-of-Liberty]

if you are i Canada and looking for a source for Potassium iodide. Lots of other radiation protection stuff too.

http://www.kicanadastore.com/buy/category.php?id_category=21

[Antonio]

http://rt.com/news/officials-explosion-fukoshima-claims/

160 people hospitalized for nuke exposure, seems like Russia is one step ahead of Western media reporting on this.
Reuters is still silent about this.

http://rt.com/news/russia-stand-hepl-japan/

[Rebel Yarr]

I live in WA - so a bit concerned....

Started this morning at the gun show - the booth that normally sells this stuff in case of nuke fallout was totally out - said went ASAP hot item.

We went out looking tonight - started on the internet...all of the real doses 130 mg are sold out....you can bet that .gov will be grabbing at the producer level. I just read some of the links above - going to try and order some...but I'm doubting I could get it in less than a few weeks at this point. this is not a largely sold product ..in regular circumstances....

We then drove to 5 stores - walgreens - super supplements ect.... found lots of thyroid specific stuff... but apparently have to stay away from the stuff that contains dried animal thyroid - can really fuck you up....

ALL places we went to said "damn wtf everyone is asking for that and we don't have any".

We were able to find potassium iodide in kelp products and general thyroid health in only 100 - 700 mcg doses.

So, I understand that you want this in your system a couple days prior....to lessen your thyrioids uptake of radioactive iodine...I'll hit this stuff and it should do it as we most likely wont get hit as hard as you would - when needing 130 mg's.... who knows...but better than doingnothing at this point.

[cortez]

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/

looks like third reactor may blow soon.... :conf:

[bellevuebully]

This is a total MSM whitewash for sheep if I've ever seen one!

"Explosive sound" and "white smoke that was confirmed"? How fucking STUPID do they think we are? ???





I've been floored by the amount of fluffy talk and fact dodging going on. Unbelievable. Nothing factual or to-the-point yet. I can't count how many times I've shaken my head and said.....'they must think the whole world has a 2 education'

[Large Sarge]

Someone else posted that what is needed is Prussian Blue: http://www.remm.nlm.gov/prussianblue.htm


interesting on that,

from what I remember prussian blue also helps with carbon monoxide poisoning

when you get a lot of CO, even when you get fed oxygen, the body has a hard time expelling the CO (like the body/hemoglobin has a stronger affinity for CO?)

anyway prussian blue reportedly helps clear that from the body

[bellevuebully]

This is a total MSM whitewash for sheep if I've ever seen one!

"Explosive sound" and "white smoke that was confirmed"? How fucking STUPID do they think we are? ???





I've been floored by the amount of fluffy talk and fact dodging going on. Unbelievable. Nothing factual or to-the-point yet. I can't count how many times I've shaken my head and said.....'they must think the whole world has a 2 education'


Case in point.....

I just watched a CNN description of what is going on and they had a flow chart of a reactor/turbine. They showed a completely different reactor type than what is actually installed in this facility. You would think they would at least try and be somewhat correct in what they are showing.

One of the features of the reactor there is that there is not a seperate loop to drive the turbine. The steam for the turbine originates directly from the boiler where the fuel bundles are and thus carries fission products in it. What this really means in practical terms is that the loop is much larger that a 2 loop system and carries an increased risk of multiple breaches in piping (which contains the coolant within the loop).

[bellevuebully]

Press Release (Mar 13,2011)
Plant Status of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station (as of 9am March 13th)


All 6 units of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station have been shut down.

Unit 1(Shut down)
- Reactor has been shut down. However, the unit is under inspection due to
the explosive sound and white smoke that was confirmed after the big
quake occurred at 3:36PM.
- We have been injecting sea water and boric acid which absorbs neutron
into the reactor core.

So that negates the report they were pumping the sea water into the reactor building vs. the boiler that was given yesterday.

Again, where is this water they are pumping in going? What are they using as a heat sink?

[Neuro]

If it would have mattered, they would have restored electricity to the pumps by now. I think that the fact they didn't is a strong indication that the pumps have been destroyed, beyond repair. They are attempting to keep the core cool by surrounding the reactor with sea water, my bet is that this will not be sufficient to prevent a core meltdown, if it hasn't already happened. Further the boron will not get into the reactor to moderate the reaction, unless there is pumps actively pushing it in...

[bellevuebully]

If it would have mattered, they would have restored electricity to the pumps by now. I think that the fact they didn't is a strong indication that the pumps have been destroyed, beyond repair. They are attempting to keep the core cool by surrounding the reactor with sea water, my bet is that this will not be sufficient to prevent a core meltdown, if it hasn't already happened. Further the boron will not get into the reactor to moderate the reaction, unless there is pumps actively pushing it in...


There are several points about what is being reported that raise questions.

First, if there is no power to run the heat transport loop, where are they getting power from to run the pumps they are using to inject sea water?

Second, when boron is injected, the moderation of the fissioning process is very quick, assuming the concentration of boron in the medium surrounding the core remains at sufficient and steady levels. If there is still heat building up, it appears that the boron concentration is not sufficient and/or consistant. The assumption would be that the mixture is changing due to leakage (which confirms the idea of leakage that caused the loss of coolant in the first place). Think of filling a sink with water and adding food dye. Open the plug and try to maintain a steady colour level as the water drains out. You better have an unlimited amount of dye. If they lost a lot of/or most of their original coolant supply, and also the backup supply, I would have to believe the damage to the loop is extensive. jmo

Watching this story unfold while having a good understanding of the technology is hugely frustrating. If it wasn't so serious, it would be laughable. Thats how bad it is. I was with others in the industry yesterday and you couldn't count the number of times our eyes were rolling in our heads. Even though I don't trust the msm now, this has lowered my respect for them into the basement. I also saw this during the Gulf incident, having worked extensively in the gas and oil industry, but not to the same degree because of the higher number of variables they were dealing with in the Gulf. Now I assume it was just as inaccurate.

[Spectrism]

Here is what I am hearing- the explosions were outside the containment area and just from hydrogen buildup in the thin-skinned exterior.


OK... can you imagine the exterior equipment being optional? Most plants have equipment there because it is vital to effect operation. Pumps for coolant water are in my guess going to be exterior to the containment- at least a layer of them.


The tragedy of the tsunami is being multiplied by a nuclear disaster that could make everything else look insignificant.

Now what happens when earthquake part 2 hits?

[gunDriller]

If it would have mattered, they would have restored electricity to the pumps by now. I think that the fact they didn't is a strong indication that the pumps have been destroyed, beyond repair. They are attempting to keep the core cool by surrounding the reactor with sea water, my bet is that this will not be sufficient to prevent a core meltdown, if it hasn't already happened. Further the boron will not get into the reactor to moderate the reaction, unless there is pumps actively pushing it in...


There are several points about what is being reported that raise questions.

First, if there is no power to run the heat transport loop, where are they getting power from to run the pumps they are using to inject sea water?

Second, when boron is injected, the moderation of the fissioning process is very quick, assuming the concentration of boron in the medium surrounding the core remains at sufficient and steady levels. If there is still heat building up, it appears that the boron concentration is not sufficient and/or consistant. The assumption would be that the mixture is changing due to leakage (which confirms the idea of leakage that caused the loss of coolant in the first place). Think of filling a sink with water and adding food dye. Open the plug and try to maintain a steady colour level as the water drains out. You better have an unlimited amount of dye. If they lost a lot of/or most of their original coolant supply, and also the backup supply, I would have to believe the damage to the loop is extensive. jmo

Watching this story unfold while having a good understanding of the technology is hugely frustrating. If it wasn't so serious, it would be laughable. Thats how bad it is. I was with others in the industry yesterday and you couldn't count the number of times our eyes were rolling in our heads. Even though I don't trust the msm now, this has lowered my respect for them into the basement. I also saw this during the Gulf incident, having worked extensively in the gas and oil industry, but not to the same degree because of the higher number of variables they were dealing with in the Gulf. Now I assume it was just as inaccurate.


it reminds me a little of the movie about the Russian sub that almost blew up off the East Coast, in the 1960's. the Russian sailors were quite heroic, and went stoically to their death, working in the irradiated environment to prevent a nuclear explosion.

my guess is, many Japanese nuclear workers are doing exactly that right now.

thank you for sharing your knowledge about the nuclear industry. the failure of the diesel backup generator illustrates the need for a Plan C.

the way this is trending ... :o :'(

i know they are working heroically and around the clock, and that other countries will be flying in technical support for the nuclear power plants and humanitarian aid for the people.

but it does sound like it is getting more and more out-of-control.

what is the endgame for the reactors that have failed - can they explode, or will they "just" melt-down ?


at this point, i would not be surprised to see Obama declare martial law in the US within a week, the official reason being, to deal with the radioactive fall-out.

not that martial law would help us just-plain-folk - i just think the "power behind the throne" in the US is looking for a reason to institute "Continuity of Government" functions. personally I would rather face that radiation cloud, should it come, without government "help".

it will be fascinating and sad to watch the stock markets tomorrow. Pandemonium, chaos, and volatility.

[bellevuebully]

Gundriller ...you are right. The people left at the stations to try and rectify the problem are literally sacraficing themselves to do what they can.
I can't imagine the fields (radioactive) that they are being exposed to are safe or normal.

[solid]

at this point, i would not be surprised to see Obama declare martial law in the US within a week, the official reason being, to deal with the radioactive fall-out.

not that martial law would help us just-plain-folk - i just think the "power behind the throne" in the US is looking for a reason to institute "Continuity of Government" functions. personally I would rather face that radiation cloud, should it come, without government "help".

it will be fascinating and sad to watch the stock markets tomorrow. Pandemonium, chaos, and volatility.


This makes me very nervous. I know with the tsunami warning we had, Obama had "activated" FEMA on the west coast. With Katrina as an example, FEMA was too late according to the consensus. Now, I'm worried FEMA will be too early, force evacuations, etc.

I'm more worried about the FEMA goons than the possible disaster.

[bellevuebully]

Solid....how was the tide where you are moored.

[solid]

Solid....how was the tide where you are moored.


Nothing, I noticed nothing at all, and I stayed onboard ready the whole day. It had to do with the direction the waves were coming from, from the north. It only affected certain marinas. If the waves had come directly from the west, I figure I may have been affected.

I watched live local news of what appeared to be an old buddy's boat taking a beating. Several friends of mine saw some weird currents, much like a fast moving river coming through.

Santa Cruz harbor is the one that really took a beating. Lot's of damage there. That's a completely man made harbor, and they could not have built it in a worse spot.

[gunDriller]

I'm more worried about the FEMA goons than the possible disaster.


me too.

[Neuro]

Gundriller ...you are right. The people left at the stations to try and rectify the problem are literally sacraficing themselves to do what they can.
I can't imagine the fields (radioactive) that they are being exposed to are safe or normal.
The fireworkers, that with helicopters were instrumental in making the sarcophagus that enclosed the reactor in Chernobyl, died painful deaths a few days or weeks after from radiation damage, and they knew this, when they volunteered, they were true heroes, without their heroic work, manifold more would have died...

[bellevuebully]

Gundriller ...you are right. The people left at the stations to try and rectify the problem are literally sacraficing themselves to do what they can.
I can't imagine the fields (radioactive) that they are being exposed to are safe or normal.
The fireworkers, that with helicopters were instrumental in making the sarcophagus that enclosed the reactor in Chernobyl, died painful deaths a few days or weeks after from radiation damage, and they knew this, when they volunteered, they were true heroes, without their heroic work, manifold more would have died...


At that point, you're not doing it for the company you work for, you are doing it for mankind's welfare. Selfless indeed.

[sunshine05]

A couple of thoughts to ponder...

Japan downgraded over debt
By Aaron Smith, staff writerJanuary 27, 2011: 12:25 PM ET


NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Standard & Poor's downgraded Japan Thursday because it expects the country's "fiscal deficits to remain high in the next few years" as it continues to deal with problems like debt, deflation and an aging population.

But Japan's total debt burden is much greater than that of the United States. Japan's debt is equal to 115% of its economy; the U.S. debt is equal to 71% of its GDP, according to S&P. To top of page

And

Rampant insider trading at Tokyo Stock Exchange
Insider trading suspicions have been raised over the public stock offerings by Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO), Nippon Sheet Glass Co. and INPEX Corp., which were announced between July and September. The stock prices of all three firms plunged before the announcements of their public stock offerings.

TEPCO, for example, made public it would raise 550 billion yen ($6.6 billion) on Sept. 29 at 4:30 p.m.–after the close of trading. Earlier in the day, however, large volumes of TEPCO stock, six to 10 times more than usual, were traded mainly through short selling, with the issue closing 7.8 percent lower than the previous day. Likewise, there was a surge in short sales of Nippon Sheet Glass Co. and INPEX Corp. shares, causing the prices of both stocks to fall just before the companies announced their capital increase plans.
http://ktwop.wordpress.com/2010/11/19/rampant-insider-trading-at-tokyo-stock-exchange/


TEPCO of course owns the reactor that blew up in Fukushima. Now this insider trading event happened back in September but I can't help being suspicious of them. Also, they have corporate offices in DC and London.

So maybe this is the way to solve the massive debt problem with Japan. They were not inflating and stimulating the economy to try to solve this problem like our genius leaders do. Their citizens were saving and I imagine the central banks weren't happy about that.

[Antonio]

Why does Japan have a hook-nosed kike president named Kan? Isn`t it time for him to come out of the closet and spell his name Kahn?

[Uncle Salty]

Someone else posted that what is needed is Prussian Blue: http://www.remm.nlm.gov/prussianblue.htm


What is needed is Modifilan.

It is a seaweed extract that the Russians used after Chernobyl.

[Cobalt]

At a loss for words :-[

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/rids/20110313/i/ra2253424503.jpg?x=400&y=320&q=85&sig=chRlFq.cf1TNhaj36oPfIA--

[General of Darkness]

That is not really at odds with anything else the term meltdown is thrown out with out a definition If the core sustained damage that does not mean the vessel is breached what it means is the fuel or control rods are not 100% so based on what I read they decided to write off the core and use boron to "kill It" so no matter what it will stay sub critical.

Think of it like this I have a run away engine that is at redline and climbing (super critical "meltdown")

This reactor has been shut down but there is still heat left called decay heat that heat needs to be reduced slowly over time till the temperature is below the point that it can self start You need to add heat to get a reaction going again that is cooled down.

Blam an earthquake happens they shut down the reactor but they need to cool it down they lose power to their reactor coolant pumps that circulate the water that removes the decay heat the heat needs to go some where so pressure starts to climb. In a non-pressurized reactor the water can turn to steam more quickly than a reactor that is under pressure so you start to get steam buildup. You will need to vent the steam off or you could rupture the containment structure, which is not the reactor vessel. Now with all that water flashing to steam the water level that cools the fuel will start to fall so you need to add water somehow now they decided to add boron with the water that will make it so the reaction can’t occur due to boron having the ability to soak up all the extra neutrons that want to start the reaction back up so now that will destroy the core. (Think of pouring concrete into your engine to ensure it will not start back up) this will cause them to write off the entire core this decision is not to be taken lightly and it probably was made because they have indications that the core was damaged.

If they could have got the coolant pumps started this would be small potatoes but apparently there was too much damage to allow that to happen in a timely manner so now they wrote that one off and decided to kill it.



MM, you seem to know what you're talking about.

Here are some questions I have.

1 - What concerns do you have?
2 - Do you think there's radiated air coming towards the U.S?
3 - If there is radiation coming, what should people do to reduce their exposure?
4 - If your exposed what do you do then?

Hopefully you'll see my post.

[Santa]

Why does Japan have a hook-nosed kike president named Kan? Isn`t it time for him to come out of the closet and spell his name Kahn?


President of Japan? :D

[Neuro]

This is from wikipedia on the exposure danger:


Chernobyl accident.[79] The Chernobyl Forum concluded that twenty-eight emergency workers died from acute radiation syndrome including beta burns and 15 patients died from thyroid cancer, and it roughly estimated that cancer deaths caused by Chernobyl may reach a total of about 4,000 among the 600,000 people having received the greatest exposures. It also concluded that a greater risk than the long-term effects of radiation exposure is the risk to mental health of exaggerated fears about the effects of radiation:[76]

Parts of Sweden got quite high levels of downfall, due to rainfall, with eastern winds from Chernobyl, but no increased incidence of cancer can be detected. Seriously people in the US don't need to be worried. If anything be worried about people in Japan...

[Large Sarge]

This is from wikipedia on the exposure danger:


Chernobyl accident.[79] The Chernobyl Forum concluded that twenty-eight emergency workers died from acute radiation syndrome including beta burns and 15 patients died from thyroid cancer, and it roughly estimated that cancer deaths caused by Chernobyl may reach a total of about 4,000 among the 600,000 people having received the greatest exposures. It also concluded that a greater risk than the long-term effects of radiation exposure is the risk to mental health of exaggerated fears about the effects of radiation:[76]

Parts of Sweden got quite high levels of downfall, due to rainfall, with eastern winds from Chernobyl, but no increased incidence of cancer can be detected. Seriously people in the US don't need to be worried. If anything be worried about people in Japan...


I am not sure on all of this, but if what the reports are saying is accurate, that this reactor is 100 times larger than chernobyl, seems like comparing apples to oranges,, and giving the "all clear" is a bit premature

[MNeagle]

Don't forget they're up to 3 (or more) reactors that are having problems.

[JDRock]

be assured theyre NOT telling us the truth, nor are they going to....

[Santa]

This is from wikipedia on the exposure danger:


Chernobyl accident.[79] The Chernobyl Forum concluded that twenty-eight emergency workers died from acute radiation syndrome including beta burns and 15 patients died from thyroid cancer, and it roughly estimated that cancer deaths caused by Chernobyl may reach a total of about 4,000 among the 600,000 people having received the greatest exposures. It also concluded that a greater risk than the long-term effects of radiation exposure is the risk to mental health of exaggerated fears about the effects of radiation:[76]

Parts of Sweden got quite high levels of downfall, due to rainfall, with eastern winds from Chernobyl, but no increased incidence of cancer can be detected. Seriously people in the US don't need to be worried. If anything be worried about people in Japan...


Personally, at this point I think dosing up on potassium iodide in pill form(especially prematurely) is probably more dangerous than the potential fallout.
I do like the advice of rubbing a little tincture of iodine on the feet, though.

[mightymanx]

Hopefully you'll see my post.


Ok folks I will try and do some radiation for beginners this is the very basics

First my biggest concern is people destroying there thyroid gland by loading their body with chemicals that are not needed there is a reason the military stopped practicing with Iodine.

Now lets talk about radiation, contamination, and waste and what they are.

Lets envision a reactor plant as a gigantic human digestive system fuel is used to create energy and poop is the byproduct.

Now everybody loves the energy that is produced by food and it is contained in your system until there comes a time where you will dispose of the waste in an appropriate environmentally safe manner now those methods can vary but everyone knows the best way to do it so you don’t get sick.

Lets get more specific about the poop as you approach a pile of poop you will smell it before you see it depending on lots of factors. The Smell can make you sick and can travel but is dispersed quickly that is radiation.

Now as you approach the poop the smell gets stronger and stronger until you are at the pile the poop itself is “waste” that needs to be dealt with now you can safely handle poop with out getting sick right? There are specific job fields that do nothing but this and they are great at it. But the majority of the population does not handle large piles of poop daily so you will avoid it and call the experts to deal with it because they are the pros. And the prow is going to tell you how to avoid the smell so you don’t get sick.

So lets talk about poop “contamination” the residue on you toilet paper when you wipe the stuff that stains your bowl and if you step in it the stuff stuck on your shoe and each poopie foot print are contamination.

Now we throw you the curve ball lets blow up a pile pf poop with a stick of dynamite 3…..2……1…BLAMO!!!! little tiny blobs of poop everywhere that. Now we have a big old mess lots of tiny poop particles covering large areas. Well if that was in the middle of nowhere like say Bikini Atoll we would just leave the area and let time remove the smell and Mother Nature will eventually break down the poop particles and everybody is happy.

Well let’s blow up a pile of poop in your neighborhood. Step one to not get poop on yourself is don’t be at home second would be stay inside your house till the pros clean up the poop. If you had to venture outside you would want to cover all exposed areas in multiple layers to keep the contamination off of you then you would remove that layer in a special poop contamination take a shower and clean up before going back inside so you don’t track poop particles all over your living room. Now is you look at it that way that is contamination each poop particle also has a little bit of smell that is radiation but that can be dealt with by the time you are exposed to the poop the distance you are from the poop and any shielding you use to separate you from the poop “smell”.

Now the exploded poop is going to travel based on lots of things first how big the boom was. Second how tiny of particles the poop was blown into and what environmental factors are available wind rain currents and the like.

Poop from the explosion falling back down out of its suspended cloud is “Fallout” Fallout is the verb of contamination. A light dusting of poop can fall or rain can knock the poop cloud out of the sky and then you have contaminated rain I am sure you can think of the bazillion ways you could get sick from tiny blobs of poop falling from the sky.

Now the body is rather strong and can deal with tons of stuff so one tiny blob of poop or one tiny whiff of the smell is not going to kill you this is where dosemerty comes into. How much poop exposure can you take before you get sick. Well that is highly variable right If I was in a full air fed Poop exposure suit and I knew hoe to work in a poop infested area I can deal with lots more because I have the right equipment and training. A average person though it would depend on how much smell he got and how many poop particles that person ingested through the mouth skin cuts mucus membranes like eyes nose how many poop particles you were breathing etc.

If I saw a sewage plant in Toronto blew up I would not start drinking bleach to ward off the poop no matter how scary the TV made it seem. Now if I was in a river of poop I would be in trouble, which is why they have been evacuating the area so people don’t get any smell or particles on you. Now the poop industry has super strict standards as far as radiation contamination and waste goes. So when some one says it could contain radiation that does not necessarily mean anything sunlight contains lots of radiation but you don’t freak out If the standard is zero, any is a big deal in the industry but does that mean anything to us maybe maybe not but unfortunately when the news throws out things like 1000 times normal level well what does that mean? If my car is off RPMs are zero 1000 times that should I panic?

If a shutdown reactor has a base line “Radiation”, and you are 1000 times that, you are still way less by several orders of magnitude the levels of an operating reactor as far as “radiation” goes. But phrasing it that way does not sell many newspapers.

Is this a big deal for an industry that has an absolute zero tolerance policy? Yes it is. But lets look at the track record which is rather outstanding considering how many operational plants that are out there the US Navy has over 100 I have over 25 with in 10 miles of my house and they do refueling of reactors less that a mile from my house. Now compare that to the chemical industry (Bhopal India ring a bell?)
How many oil spills rig fires natural gas leaks etc etc. IMO lots of this fear comes from ignorance of the subject and problems happen so rarely. How many people were killed at 3-mile island compared to your typical chemical plant fire?

When Chernobyl blew did any of us start eating chemicals because we say it on the news. I hope not.

Emotion aside how bad was Chernobyl compared to the other bazillion eco disasters we have had? Look at Saddam Hussein’s scorched earth campaign in the first Iraq way where he lit all of Kuwait’s oil fields on fire.

Nuclear energy is the least known about with the most fear associated with it because it is the one energy source that could set us free but TPTB want us dependent on oil so we stay in the middle east and Israel’s puppet Imagine energy costs ½ of now with zero tie in to the middle east That in my opinion is whey there has been fear mongering about nuclear anything since it’s inception.

[oldmansmith]

Hopefully you'll see my post.


Nuclear energy is the least known about with the most fear associated with it because it is the one energy source that could set us free but TPTB want us dependent on oil so we stay in the middle east and Israel’s puppet Imagine energy costs ½ of now with zero tie in to the middle east That in my opinion is whey there has been fear mongering about nuclear anything since it’s inception.





Creating waste that will be deadly for tens and hundreds of thousands of years is not my idea of how to be "free." It is my idea of the ultimate in immorality; to bequeath to your descendants something much worse than a stinking pile of shit.

Even if the plants themselves were completely safe (which they obviously are NOT), the waste problem makes nuclear power a bad deal.

[solid]

Thanks Mightymanx. To sum it up, the shit is going to hit the fan...don't stand in front of the fan?

[Spectrism]

Forget about the fish in the Pacific now. Oil fish are starting to look better.

Forget about the air and fall out hazards. The fallout will poison foods, animals and water. Chemtrails are starting to look better too.



Officials are starting to admit the problems. Watch this mess unfold.

[mightymanx]

Hopefully you'll see my post.


Nuclear energy is the least known about with the most fear associated with it because it is the one energy source that could set us free but TPTB want us dependent on oil so we stay in the middle east and Israel’s puppet Imagine energy costs ½ of now with zero tie in to the middle east That in my opinion is whey there has been fear mongering about nuclear anything since it’s inception.


Creating waste that will be deadly for tens and hundreds of thousands of years is not my idea of how to be "free." It is my idea of the ultimate in immorality; to bequeath to your descendants something much worse than a stinking pile of shit.

Even if the plants themselves were completely safe (which they obviously are NOT), the waste problem makes nuclear power a bad deal.
We should follow France's method (ignore the irony there) They continusly re-refine the fuel and recycle it over and over till it is a small grapefruit blob that the put in the reactor compartment so no additional real estate is being used. Everyone thought that radiation will be around for a million years it's not I stood ontop of a reactor vesel that was defuled in 1963 level of radiation zero. The Bikini Atoll where thee have been more nuclear weapons detonattios there than the rest of the planet radiation levels =background and it's a super popular sport diving area because of all the ships they blew up and sunk. Ignorance begets fear which begets closed mindness.

[Neuro]

This is from wikipedia on the exposure danger:


Chernobyl accident.[79] The Chernobyl Forum concluded that twenty-eight emergency workers died from acute radiation syndrome including beta burns and 15 patients died from thyroid cancer, and it roughly estimated that cancer deaths caused by Chernobyl may reach a total of about 4,000 among the 600,000 people having received the greatest exposures. It also concluded that a greater risk than the long-term effects of radiation exposure is the risk to mental health of exaggerated fears about the effects of radiation:[76]

Parts of Sweden got quite high levels of downfall, due to rainfall, with eastern winds from Chernobyl, but no increased incidence of cancer can be detected. Seriously people in the US don't need to be worried. If anything be worried about people in Japan...


I am not sure on all of this, but if what the reports are saying is accurate, that this reactor is 100 times larger than chernobyl, seems like comparing apples to oranges,, and giving the "all clear" is a bit premature?

I checked it out, the reactor in Chernobyl had a 3200 MW capacity, none of the current reactors in Fukushima has even 1000 MW capacity...The radiation reaching US will not be dangerous, even if there is a total core melt down, with huge radioactive material release.

[Cobalt]

I have absolutely zero faith in the safety of the nuke industry for 2 simple reasons.

First, the radioactive waste disposal has and always will be a total joke, they take shit that is deadly for thousands of years and bury it in tanks with a life expectancy of 50 years all with the hopes that it will be okay until they come up with another better plan.
Still waiting for the plan all these years later.

Secondly, accidents happen and when you are dealing with something as long lasting and deadly as radioactive materials you can't afford to have an accident, you cannot come up with enough redundant safety features even if money was not an issue but throw in the money issue and I can bet with all certainty that corners will be cut some where along the lines that will come back and bite hard.

Take a look at what is happening in Japan right now, they have probably without a doubt done more to protect their infrastructure from earthquakes then any other civilization in history and yet they have 3 nuke plants that are on the verge of causing a major world changing event.

[Antonio]

Ok, a couple of thoughts...Russian researchers who are anti-NWO speak of the fact that there are virtually no cancer increases in the contaminated Chernobyl area which is a vast part of Ukrainian,Belorussian and Russian land. The first responders died horrible deaths,about 600 of them but keep in mind that many millions had taken the effort of cleaning up Chernobyl. We expected millions of deaths but instead a cold hard look reveals that even in cases of acute radiiation poisoning if one survives, he/she keeps on going.
Most of the horrible pics of mutated Ukrainian kids are pics of children of alcoholics. Ukraine has 43 million, I don`t remember how many people are in Belarus but probably over 20 mil. If you gather in one building all the kids who are mutated due to alcohol and those who had thyroid cancer even before Chernobyl, it`ll look scary just as any cancer hospital does.
I came to the conclusion that radiation is a bit like cocaine, if you don`t die of acute poisoning you are gonna be ok.
An honest look reveals that about 600-1000 deaths can be directly attributed to radiation sickness caused by Chernobyl, everything else is speculation and attempts to milk the system by the "survivors". Me and my classmates could set a Geiger counter on fire when I was 16-17 and everyone is ok 20 years later. I could go on an on about personally meeting people who were dangerously exposed as kids and they are also ok now.

2) They say that water reacts with zirconium casings at 2000F and produces hydrogen gas AND zirconium oxide. This means either the casings are now made of zirconium oxide which probably has the structural properties of chalk or they are completely corroded/dissolved and the fuel is out. My little attempt at chemistry humour...

[General of Darkness]

Antonio, you are such a jew. Most of the horrible pics of mutated Ukrainian kids are pics of children of alcoholics Oh yeah, the Ukrainians fought with the Germans in WWII, so you might have an agenda to mention something as derogatory as that. While I think your post is 1/2 factual, you still have to post like a jew, it's in your nature, you can't say something with out throwing in some subliminal b.s. that people will pass over and the mind absorbs. jews are the REAL radiation to this planet. It's too bad that human beings can't take a iodine pill to protect them from jews.

[Antonio]

Antonio, you are such a jew. Most of the horrible pics of mutated Ukrainian kids are pics of children of alcoholics Oh yeah, the Ukrainians fought with the Germans in WWII, so you might have an agenda to mention something as derogatory as that. While I think your post is 1/2 factual, you still have to post like a jew, it's in your nature, you can't say something with out throwing in some subliminal b.s. that people will pass over and the mind absorbs. jews are the REAL radiation to this planet. It's too bad that human beings can't take a iodine pill to protect them from jews.

Nope, no pill will cure you of me.
PS. Do you know why I am a tea-totaler who`s done more hard drugs than the Rolling Stones? Because booze is liquid radiation, it`s a mutagen.
Yes, in a hard-drinking country like USSR where much of the vodka was of a low quality and full of fusel oils, you can see monstrocities popping up without radiation. I`m much more afraid of chemical exposure like pesticides,booze etc than of the good ole gamma rays.

[Cobalt]

Chernobyl was not the worst disaster when it comes to Radiation, there is a place called Chelyabinsk that takes top honors for being the nastiest.


The Most Contaminated Spot on the Planet
Chelyabinsk was one of the former Soviet Union’s main military production centers, which included nuclear weapons manufacturing. Accidents, nuclear waste disposal and day to day operation of the Mayak reactor and radiochemical plant contaminated a vast area of the province. In the early 1950s there were so many occurrences of death and disease from the nuclear waste dumping in the Techa river that 22 villages along the river banks in a 50 kilometers zone downstream from Mayak were evacuated. In 1957, a nuclear waste storage tank accident released radiation double the amount released by the Chernobyl accident.


This accident was kept secret and 10,700 people were evacuated. The severe environmental contamination of this region led to dramatic increases in cancer rates, birth defects, and sterility. Over the past 33 years, there has been a 21% increase in the incidences of cancer, 25% increase in birth defects and 50% of the population of child bearing age are sterile.

http://www.wentz.net/radiate/cheyla/index.htm

[mightymanx]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster#Long_term_health_effects

and the difference is the nuclear field has a far better track record



The Bhopal disaster was the world's worst industrial catastrophe. It occurred on the night of December 2–3, 1984 at the Union Carbide India Limited (UCIL) pesticide plant in Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh, India. A leak of methyl isocyanate gas and other chemicals from the plant resulted in the exposure of hundreds of thousands of people. Estimates vary on the death toll. The official immediate death toll was 2,259 and the government of Madhya Pradesh has confirmed a total of 3,787 deaths related to the gas release.[1] Other government agencies estimate 15,000 deaths.[2] Others estimate that 3,000 died within weeks and that another 8,000 have since died from gas-related diseases.[3][4] A government affidavit in 2006 stated the leak caused 558,125 injuries including 38,478 temporary partial and approximately 3,900 severely and permanently disabling injuries.[5]


Victims of Bhopal disaster asking for Warren Anderson's extradition from the USAIt is estimated 100,000 to 200,000 people have permanent injuries. Reported symptoms are eye problems, respiratory difficulties, immune and neurological disorders, cardiac failure secondary to lung injury, female reproductive difficulties and birth defects among children born to affected women. [4] The Indian Government and UCC deny permanent injuries were caused by MIC or the other gases.

Environmental rehabilitationWhen the factory was closed in 1985–1986, pipes, drums and tanks were cleaned and sold. The MIC and the Sevin plants are still there, as are storages of different residues. Isolation material is falling down and spreading.[4]
The area around the plant was used as a dumping area for hazardous chemicals. In 1982 tubewells in the vicinity of the UCC factory had to be abandoned.[4] UCC's laboratory tests in 1989 revealed that soil and water samples collected from near the factory and inside the plant were toxic to fish.[39] Several other studies have shown polluted soil and groundwater in the area.[4]
Reported polluting compounds include naphthol, naphthalene, Sevin, tarry residue, mercury, toxic organochlorines, volatile organochlorine compounds, chromium, copper, nickel, lead, hexachloroethane, hexachlorobutadiene, and the pesticide HCH.[4]
In order to provide safe drinking water to the population around the UCC factory, there is a scheme for improvement of water supply.[35]
In December 2008, the Madhya Pradesh High Court decided that the toxic waste should be incinerated at Ankleshwar in Gujarat.[40]

[Antonio]

Chelyabinsk was much worse than Chernobyl. I never said one can live among lethal radiation levels. I`m saying the nuclear fears are exaggerated. I once dated a gorgeous Russian girl who grew up in a town/closed military base not listed on the USSR map, where USSR made its nukes and the plutonium stuffing for them, dad was a nuke scientist. She said half of her female classmates had developed breast cancers b4 age of 15 but she added that absolute majority of them survived. She had been exposed to more radiation in a month than I did in my entire life and she is ok, very athletic and incredibly young looking. She told me everyone in the town has the same attitude towards radiation as I do. Maybe it`s a coping mechanism and the usual Russian bravado. I can`t sit with a thumb up my ass all my life and wait for some radiation effects to appear. It`s the last thing I`m worried about.
What I`m worried about now is if there is a meltdown and it reaches critical mass it can blow up infinitely worse than Chernobyl.
If not for the Russkie kamikaze firemen, much of Europe and Russia would have been a wasteland.

[keehah]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster_effects

Immediately after the disaster, the main health concern involved radioactive iodine, with a half-life of eight days. Today, there is concern about contamination of the soil with strontium-90 and caesium-137, which have half-lives of about 30 years. The highest levels of caesium-137 are found in the surface layers of the soil where they are absorbed by plants, insects and mushrooms, entering the local food supply. Some scientists fear that radioactivity will affect the local population for the next several generations. Note that caesium is not mobile in most soils because it binds to the clay minerals. Recent tests (ca. 1997) have shown that caesium-137 levels in trees of the area are continuing to rise. There is some evidence that contamination is migrating into underground aquifers and closed bodies of water such as lakes and ponds (2001, Germenchuk). The main source of elimination is predicted to be natural decay of caesium-137 to stable barium-137, since runoff by rain and groundwater has been demonstrated to be negligible.


No mention yet (on the websites of the local papers) we are dead centre of the expected path of landfall of radiation from melting down nuclear reactors in the next 24-48 hours.

[snapon]

Unfortunately it's not radioactive Iodine that is making it's way across the pacific. But Cesium 137, Iodine pills will not help you with Cesium-137.

You get radioactive Iodine with an above ground nuclear explosion as Iodine occurs naturally in the earth's crust. It is irradiated during the explosion and spewed into the atmosphere where it is part of the fallout. Cesium-137 is the nuclear waste of uranium-235, it's formed as a bi-product of the nuclear fission process.

The good news is that Cesium is "only" radioactive for about 30 or so years.

Chemical Prussian Blue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_blue) removes Cesium-137 from the body. But not exactly sure where you would find it.

But supplementing Iodine isn't a bad thing. I do because our diets lack Iodine to begin with. But just giving you guys a heads up that it will NOT protect you against Cesium-137 fallout.


Prussian Blue is DEADLY poisonous! dont even try and use that internally!

[collector]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_blue

Medicine
Prussian blue's ability to incorporate monocations makes it useful as a sequestering agent for certain heavy metal poisons. Pharmaceutical-grade Prussian blue in particular is used for patients who have ingested thallium or radioactive caesium. According to the International Atomic Energy Agency, an adult male can eat at least 10 grams of Prussian blue per day without serious harm. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has determined that the "500 mg Prussian blue capsules, when manufactured under the conditions of an approved New Drug Application (NDA), can be found safe and effective therapy" in certain poisoning cases.[14] Radiogardase (Prussian blue insoluble capsules [15]) is a commercial product for the removal of caesium-137 from the bloodstream.[16]

Any thoughts on this?

I always thought that TPTB would use some chemical or element to wipe out a lot of us, but it would have to be something that they can clean up so as not to render the planet useless to them. I find it interesting that Gates, Buffet and the Rockafellers are all vacationing in New Delhi India right now in the vacinity of underground bunkers, while all of this takes place

[cortez]

This is from wikipedia on the exposure danger:


Chernobyl accident.[79] The Chernobyl Forum concluded that twenty-eight emergency workers died from acute radiation syndrome including beta burns and 15 patients died from thyroid cancer, and it roughly estimated that cancer deaths caused by Chernobyl may reach a total of about 4,000 among the 600,000 people having received the greatest exposures. It also concluded that a greater risk than the long-term effects of radiation exposure is the risk to mental health of exaggerated fears about the effects of radiation:[76]

Parts of Sweden got quite high levels of downfall, due to rainfall, with eastern winds from Chernobyl, but no increased incidence of cancer can be detected. Seriously people in the US don't need to be worried. If anything be worried about people in Japan...


Personally, at this point I think dosing up on potassium iodide in pill form(especially prematurely) is probably more dangerous than the potential fallout.
I do like the advice of rubbing a little tincture of iodine on the feet, though.



you take the dose before exposure. my multi vit has 130 mg. a saturated tyroid keeps environmental elements from the body

[bellevuebully]

Everyone thought that radiation will be around for a million years it's not I stood ontop of a reactor vesel that was defuled in 1963 level of radiation zero.


I stood in front of reactor face that generates 850MW less than 4 months ago that had been fissioning for 3 years up to about 3 days prior to me standing in front of it. There is quite a difference in fuel that is fissioning and fuel that is not even present, even though it may have been at one time. For detail, I was for all intents and purposes at working distance (30cm) and the fields were around 150 mrem/hr.

I'm not sure what your point was with the above statement statement. Would you mind expanding on your thoughts? I'm not trying for a pissing contest here with you mm. I can appreciate you worked on a sub but you made the statement above and it doesn't really apply to a fissioning product, as would be the case in Japan.

Let's try to keep this civil so everyone here can learn something....like I said, I'm not looking for a pissing contest.

[Santa]

This is from wikipedia on the exposure danger:


Chernobyl accident.[79] The Chernobyl Forum concluded that twenty-eight emergency workers died from acute radiation syndrome including beta burns and 15 patients died from thyroid cancer, and it roughly estimated that cancer deaths caused by Chernobyl may reach a total of about 4,000 among the 600,000 people having received the greatest exposures. It also concluded that a greater risk than the long-term effects of radiation exposure is the risk to mental health of exaggerated fears about the effects of radiation:[76]

Parts of Sweden got quite high levels of downfall, due to rainfall, with eastern winds from Chernobyl, but no increased incidence of cancer can be detected. Seriously people in the US don't need to be worried. If anything be worried about people in Japan...


Personally, at this point I think dosing up on potassium iodide in pill form(especially prematurely) is probably more dangerous than the potential fallout.
I do like the advice of rubbing a little tincture of iodine on the feet, though.



you take the dose before exposure. my multi vit has 130 mg. a saturated tyroid keeps environmental elements from the body


Yes, that's the idea, but you should take it 24 hrs. before the fallout, not 8 or 10 days before,
and it only protects the thyroid from future damage, it doesn't protect the rest of the body from radiation poisoning.
Further, one never knows how their own thyroid is going to react to large doses of Potassium Iodide.
Many people could suffer from hyper or hypothyroidism from overloading the thyroid gland.
In a dire situation, it may help to load up the thyroid, but otherwise, the better choice would
be to simply stay inside and wait for the fallout to dissipate.

[cortez]

Fergie wins ::)

[PatColo]

Forget about the fish in the Pacific now. Oil fish are starting to look better.

Forget about the air and fall out hazards. The fallout will poison foods, animals and water. Chemtrails are starting to look better too.



I made my daily pitstop at http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/ to check out the latest news from the Gulf Op, but I don't see any gulf news on the first page there. It seems they've morphed into reporting all things Japan nuke meltdown.

The gulf folks have been getting poisoned for months, I figure more intensively than west-coast-US people are getting radiated. But officially, the gulf bio/chem-warfare op doesn't exist as such, so people's consciousness of it is much lower.

[vacuum]

Everyone thought that radiation will be around for a million years it's not I stood ontop of a reactor vesel that was defuled in 1963 level of radiation zero.


I stood in front of reactor face that generates 850MW less than 4 months ago that had been fissioning for 3 years up to about 3 days prior to me standing in front of it. There is quite a difference in fuel that is fissioning and fuel that is not even present, even though it may have been at one time. For detail, I was for all intents and purposes at working distance (30cm) and the fields were around 150 mrem/hr.

I'm not sure what your point was with the above statement statement. Would you mind expanding on your thoughts? I'm not trying for a pissing contest here with you mm. I can appreciate you worked on a sub but you made the statement above and it doesn't really apply to a fissioning product, as would be the case in Japan.

Let's try to keep this civil so everyone here can learn something....like I said, I'm not looking for a pissing contest.

The isotopes themselves will continue to produce radiation according to their half-lives, but that doesn't stop them from dissipating into the atmosphere. Iodine is a gas in elemental form and I can see it dispersing. CS too is a large atom with a valence electron so it would be somewhat volatile. So the radioactive material is probably simply not physically there anymore, rather than it stopped being radioactive.

[Book]

my multi vit has 130 mg.



http://www.convertunits.com/from/mg/to/mcg

Look again. It probably is 130mcg.

:)

[platinumdude]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=TX-PAR-CCA89&show_article=1

Explosion at Japan nuclear plant:

An explosion shook an earthquake-damaged Japanese nuclear power plant Monday sending plumes of smoke rising from the building, live television showed

[JohnQPublic]

Now they have two reactors with no secondary containment. Both of these reactors are basically Chernobyl like. Chenobyl never had secondary containment. The key now is to keep the primary containment from blowing.

[mamboni]

If there is one take home message from this tragedy of biblical proportions, it is to have a Bug Out Bag on the ready - you may have to evacuate in a moment's notice.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/gallery/76_13_03_11_11_53_03.jpeg

[General of Darkness]

If there is one take home message from this tragedy of biblical proportions, it is to have a Bug Out Bag on the ready - you may have to evacuate in a moment's notice.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/gallery/76_13_03_11_11_53_03.jpeg


Hey asshole, nice to see you posting again. I missed your bitch ass. ;D

[Awoke]

Glad to see you back Mamboni.

[crazychicken]

MAMBONI--Where the hell have you been??? :D :D :D

Glad to see you back.

CC

[mightymanx]

Everyone thought that radiation will be around for a million years it's not I stood ontop of a reactor vesel that was defuled in 1963 level of radiation zero.


I stood in front of reactor face that generates 850MW less than 4 months ago that had been fissioning for 3 years up to about 3 days prior to me standing in front of it. There is quite a difference in fuel that is fissioning and fuel that is not even present, even though it may have been at one time. For detail, I was for all intents and purposes at working distance (30cm) and the fields were around 150 mrem/hr.

I'm not sure what your point was with the above statement statement. Would you mind expanding on your thoughts? I'm not trying for a pissing contest here with you mm. I can appreciate you worked on a sub but you made the statement above and it doesn't really apply to a fissioning product, as would be the case in Japan.

Let's try to keep this civil so everyone here can learn something....like I said, I'm not looking for a pissing contest.


The point was the general populace thinks that anything nuclear is tantamount to the boogieman and any contamination period will last for a million years which is simply not true. The fear of the nuclear boogieman is the problem look at this thread we have people working on homemade recipes for “anti radiation pills” people wanting to take thyroid destroying levels of iodine to block something 1/3rd of the planet away which while a serious nuclear problem is no where near a planet wide nuclear eco-disaster. The fear is going to lead people to inappropriate action which is going to get people seriously screwed up or killed not the reality of the problem.

[vacuum]

Welcome back mamboni :)

[Book]

http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/0621chimps.jpg?w=620

I see that Mamboni is still all butthurt and mad at me. Well, this is a start...

:D

[mightymanx]

welcome back. now fly to your avatar's homeland bust out some jew-jitsu and fix some shit. ;D

[mamboni]

welcome back. now fly to your avatar's homeland bust out some jew-jitsu and fix some shit. ;D


I'm Mandarin, not Japanese! ;D

[mamboni]

This does not look like just the outer containment building exploding me thinks - not good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIZKlaEZMLY

[Antonio]

Good to see you Mamboni!
PS. I went to work today as usual, carrying a BOB Maxpedition bag.

[mamboni]

Good to see you Mamboni!
PS. I went to work today as usual, carrying a BOB Maxpedition bag.


Antonio,

You are the most entertaining member here. You have lots of spunk and spirit, the Cool Hand Luke of GSUS. Illegitimi non carborundum! |--0--| I'm going to have some Matzo in your honor.

[keehah]

This does not look like just the outer containment building exploding me thinks - not good.

[youtube]


That was the No.3 Reactor blowing up.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20100823a7.html

Monday, Aug. 23, 2010
Fukushima reactor receives MOX

FUKUSHIMA (Kyodo) Tokyo Electric Power Co. on Saturday loaded a nuclear reactor in Fukushima Prefecture with MOX, a controversial fuel made with reprocessed plutonium and uranium oxides, as it prepares to become the leading power utility's first facility to go pluthermal.

The No. 3 reactor at Tepco's Fukushima No. 1 plant will be the nation's third pluthermal facility, but only the first to be refurbished since the plant was built 34 years ago.

Tokyo Electric plans to activate the reactor on Sept. 18 and let it start generating electricity on Sept. 23.
The Use of Weapons Plutonium as Reactor Fuel (http://www.ieer.org/ensec/no-3/main.html)
By Arjun Makhijani and Anita Seth

The joint study cites a number of safety precautions necessary in the fabrication of MOX fuel relative to uranium fuel. MOX fuel emits higher gamma radiation and much higher neutron radiation than uranium fuel. Therefore, a separate fresh fuel storage facility designed for MOX only fuel containers for on-site use, and transport equipment for fresh fuel may be necessary. Dust resulting from MOX fabrication is also a concern for worker safety because of the dangers of inhaling plutonium.

[Antonio]

Good to see you Mamboni!
PS. I went to work today as usual, carrying a BOB Maxpedition bag.


Antonio,

You are the most entertaining member here. You have lots of spunk and spirit, the Cool Hand Luke of GSUS. Illegitimi non carborundum! |--0--| I'm going to have some Matzo in your honor.


Love and kisses, Mamboni! I`m funny as hell but I lack your intellegence and erudition...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LTPRJqt2z4

[mamboni]

This does not look like just the outer containment building exploding me thinks - not good.

[youtube]


That was the No.3 Reactor blowing up.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20100823a7.html

Monday, Aug. 23, 2010
Fukushima reactor receives MOX

FUKUSHIMA (Kyodo) Tokyo Electric Power Co. on Saturday loaded a nuclear reactor in Fukushima Prefecture with MOX, a controversial fuel made with reprocessed plutonium and uranium oxides, as it prepares to become the leading power utility's first facility to go pluthermal.

The No. 3 reactor at Tepco's Fukushima No. 1 plant will be the nation's third pluthermal facility, but only the first to be refurbished since the plant was built 34 years ago.

Tokyo Electric plans to activate the reactor on Sept. 18 and let it start generating electricity on Sept. 23.
The Use of Weapons Plutonium as Reactor Fuel (http://www.ieer.org/ensec/no-3/main.html)
By Arjun Makhijani and Anita Seth

The joint study cites a number of safety precautions necessary in the fabrication of MOX fuel relative to uranium fuel. MOX fuel emits higher gamma radiation and much higher neutron radiation than uranium fuel. Therefore, a separate fresh fuel storage facility designed for MOX only fuel containers for on-site use, and transport equipment for fresh fuel may be necessary. Dust resulting from MOX fabrication is also a concern for worker safety because of the dangers of inhaling plutonium.




If that was several thousand pounds of Plutonium being vaporized then we are in a world of hurt. Inhalation of one microscopic grain of Plutonium is enough to cause lung cancer.

I'm deploying a couple of HEPA filters in my home tommorrow. I already have a HEPA filter and an electrostatic air scrubber running 24/7 in my study.

[mamboni]

Good to see you Mamboni!
PS. I went to work today as usual, carrying a BOB Maxpedition bag.


Antonio,

You are the most entertaining member here. You have lots of spunk and spirit, the Cool Hand Luke of GSUS. Illegitimi non carborundum! |--0--| I'm going to have some Matzo in your honor.


Love and kisses, Mamboni! I`m funny as hell but I lack your intellegence and erudition...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LTPRJqt2z4


Antonio,

You are extremely insightful and wise, and disarmingly smart. I learn a lot from your musings.

[Antonio]

Mamboni, are you really Chinese?

[hoarder]

Damn, Sawbones, I thought you were gone for good. Welcome back! Don't be such a prick this time. ;D

[mamboni]

Mamboni, are you really Chinese?



Only when I laugh! ;D

[mamboni]

Damn, Sawbones, I thought you were gone for good. Welcome back! Don't be such a prick this time. ;D


Well, the wound was very deep and the recovery long. But my back is healed now; and I am wiser for it. :oo-->

[Antonio]

Plutonium is funny stuff. You can safely handle pieces of it if they are wrapped in plastic but if you inhale a spec you are finished.
Mamboni, is it beta or alpha rays that it emits and destroys tissues around it? I know it doesn`t produce gamma.

[mamboni]

Plutonium is funny stuff. You can safely pieces of it if they are wrapped in plastic but if you inhale a spec you are finished.
Mamboni, is it beta or alpha rays that it emits and destroys tissues around it? I know it doesn`t produce gamma.


High energy beta if memory serves - cuts up DNA strands like a sushi knife through butter.

[G2Rad]

I stood in front of reactor face that generates 850MW less than 4 months ago that had been fissioning for 3 years up to about 3 days prior to me standing in front of it. There is quite a difference in fuel that is fissioning and fuel that is not even present, even though it may have been at one time. For detail, I was for all intents and purposes at working distance (30cm) and the fields were around 150 mrem/hr.


bellevuebully, did you mean 150 mrem/hr or did you mean µrem/hr?

do people allowed to work daily jobs at 150 mrem/hr?

i am asking because 150 mrem/hr is 15,000 times higher that natural ambient at sea level

thanks

[Awoke]

He meant milli, not micro.

[G2Rad]

He meant milli, not micro.


what is annual limit (personal intake) according to regulations?
Is it like 5 rems per year?

I know that acute symptoms start somewhere at 50-100 rems taken over short period of time

[G2Rad]

read on the Drudge that 3rd reactor blew up few minutes ago

[Antonio]

My first ever ebay purchase was Radalert50 bought in `99 for 160$
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=radalert+50&aq=2&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=radalert

It`s a helluva toy. I also bought an old German alarm clock with radium dial to use to calibrate. The alarm clock gives off 150CPM while background in NYC today is 12.

[keehah]

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e6600348-4dbb-11e0-85e4-00144feab49a.html#axzz1GY56k0vL

About 1.5m households remained without power or water on Sunday evening.

Some 170,000 evacuees came from a 20km-radius zone being cleared around the plant and a 10km zone around a sister facility nearby, which was suffering less serious cooling problems...

TV footage from Fukushima’s surrounding towns showed rescue workers in white protective suits sweeping evacuees with radiation sensors, and as many as 160 people may have suffered radiation poisoning, nuclear safety officials said.

Engineers’ inability to cool the plant’s reactors more than 48 hours after the quake raised increasing safety concerns.

They were also considering pouring seawater into No.2 reactor.

At times more than half the roughly 4m-tall rods in the No. 1 reactor were exposed above the water’s surface, nuclear officials said. Aftershocks continued to be felt along the country’s Pacific coast and the Meteorological Agency said there was a 70 per cent chance that a quake with a magnitude of 7 or higher would occur in the next three days.

With a total of three nuclear power stations in the northeast offline, the government called on manufacturers to keep factories closed and shops to keep neon lights off to save power. Banri Kaeda, industry minister, warned of rolling blackouts in Tokyo and other areas.

[Antonio]

yesterday they said the death toll was 160 people. I took one look at the videos and knew 100 of 1000s were dead.
The same applies to their radiation level bullshit. I love how they said the 3d reactor blew up but they cannot determine yet how much radiation leaked out. How long does it take to turn on a Geiger counter? The only way they cannot determine the levels is if they are using old Geigers and they are off the scale now...

I hope I`m wrong but we may see an event which will erase Chernobyl from our memories.

[solid]

I hope I`m wrong but we may see an event which will erase Chernobyl from our memories.


I hope you are wrong too. This whole thing has me concerned. Two things are a game ender, tsunamis and radiation fallout from the skies above, nothing can prep us for that. What a weekend of doom.

[Book]

read on the Drudge that 3rd reactor blew up few minutes ago



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIZKlaEZMLY

:o

[Son-of-Liberty]

Well I did put in an order for Radblock yesterday hopefully it gets here soon. Don't plan on taking it unless radiation levels on the west coast start to spike. Luckily I am pretty far inland so we are probably safe here. But it will be nice just to have the pills, something I should have added to preps a while ago, they are pretty inexpensive. Even if this turns out to be a false alarm for us it is definitely a wake up call. Who would have thought a week ago this sort of thing could happen in Japan and possibly affect us?

[Kali]

Well, after reading tons of posts on numerous forums about this nuclear situation I still have no idea of WTF is going on.

You can ask 10 different "experts" and get 10 different opinions.

One news article says this, another says that.

I personally think this is all a set up. Making use out of a crisis.

Japan is one of the best at earthquake preparedness and these are nuclear plants we are talking about.

I have seen dog houses in some footage that are in better shape than their nuclear plants.

Something else is at work here.

If it's real, it's probably being done on purpose.

My guess is that there ain't shit going on over there except what they are doing to create the smoke and mirrors.

Probably all lies.

We'll find out why in a bit.

[crazychicken]

Irving---Just how do you start an earthquake and tsunami? ::) ::) ::)

CC

[beefsteak]

This is cranking me, I'll admit.



Japan nuke plant blast may be worse than Chernobyl: Indian experts
English.news.cn 2011-03-13 16:06:42

NEW DELHI, March 13 (Xinhua) -- Some Indian experts have warned that the explosion at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear complex may be worst than Chernobyl even as the quake-hit nation seeks to reassure its people that the country would not experience a full- blown nuclear disaster.

At least 15 people have been reportedly admitted to hospital with symptoms of radiation poisoning after a blast ripped through a reactor at the Fukushima nuclear power plant yesterday. The emergency cooling system is said to have been failed at another reactor at the Fukushima plant.

The authorities, who have ordered the evacuation of 170,000 people from the area within a radius of 20 km at Fukushima, 250 km northeast of capital Tokyo, however, said there are no health concerns though fluctuations in the radiation level can be expected.

But some Indian experts are not convinced.

"There are a total of 10 reactors at the two plants at Fukushima nuclear complex. Yesterday, there was an explosion at the No. 1 nuclear plant in the wake of 8.9 magnitude quake and tsunami in the region, which destroyed a reactor and reports suggest that another reactor may also explode," said Delhi-based nuke security expert V.K. Duggal.

"The Japanese government hasn't yet provided accurate information regarding threat posed by explosions. This is very worrying. The disaster may turn out to be more dangerous than Chernobyl -- both from the standpoint of population's exposure to radioactive material and radioactive contamination in the area," said Duggal.

Another expert Professor Subodh Gupta agreed. "We aren't at all aware of the status of the fuel in the core of the reactor that exploded yesterday at the nuclear complex. We don't know whether the core is uncovered, if the fuel is breaking up or melting. This is dangerous," he said.

Japan's nuclear safety agency has rated the incident at four on the international scale of zero to seven. The country's US envoy Ichiro Fujisaki told CNN "there was a partial melt of a fuel rod... but it's nothing like a whole reactor melting."

"But the explosion must have caused radioactive materials and gases to emit into the air. The most vulnerable elements discharged were iodine and cesium, two by-products of the nuclear fission process. These volatile compounds can well spread into the atmosphere and cause a massive disaster," said Professor Divya Mishra of Mumbai University.

Health officials in Japan said they will distribute iodine tablets as a precaution as iodine protects against radiation- induced cancer.

"The disaster could be on the scale of Chernobyl where the reactor core melted and radioactive fallout were discharged into the air, harming civilians living at a relatively great distance from the reactor. It's high time that Japan comes out with a correct assessment of the situation," said Professor Gupta.


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Mamboni, thanks for your 2nd coming. I was sincerely hoping you as a truth teller from the medical access to radiation experts in your counsel of advocates would assert themselves here. We're in some serious need of truth.

Beefsteak

[Awoke]

He meant milli, not micro.


what is annual limit (personal intake) according to regulations?
Is it like 5 rems per year?

I know that acute symptoms start somewhere at 50-100 rems taken over short period of time


I think it's 5000 over a rolling 5 year calendar or something like that. Most nuclear stations limit the dose to under 1000mrem a year. The contractors who go in to do the dirty work get dosed up pretty good.

[gunDriller]

Well, after reading tons of posts on numerous forums about this nuclear situation I still have no idea of WTF is going on.

oh, it's simple.

bad shit.

[bellevuebully]

Plutonium is funny stuff. You can safely handle pieces of it if they are wrapped in plastic but if you inhale a spec you are finished.
Mamboni, is it beta or alpha rays that it emits and destroys tissues around it? I know it doesn`t produce gamma.


Gamma rays are the high energy, highly penetrating energy forms which cause massive damage to cells. Beta rays are lower energy and don't generally penetrate beyond a light barrier. Alpha is low energy also, but I'm not really that familiar with it.

[Awoke]

Alpha is less penetrating than beta, but it is an airborn particulate and can be inhaled.

[bellevuebully]

He meant milli, not micro.


what is annual limit (personal intake) according to regulations?
Is it like 5 rems per year?

I know that acute symptoms start somewhere at 50-100 rems taken over short period of time


5 rem/year is government standards. Company standards vary. 1rem/year is conservative, which we are at.

[bellevuebully]

Well, after reading tons of posts on numerous forums about this nuclear situation I still have no idea of WTF is going on.

You can ask 10 different "experts" and get 10 different opinions.

One news article says this, another says that.

I personally think this is all a set up. Making use out of a crisis.

Japan is one of the best at earthquake preparedness and these are nuclear plants we are talking about.

I have seen dog houses in some footage that are in better shape than their nuclear plants.

Something else is at work here.

If it's real, it's probably being done on purpose.

My guess is that there ain't shit going on over there except what they are doing to create the smoke and mirrors.

Probably all lies.

We'll find out why in a bit.




Like I said earlier....NOTHING happens in a nuclear station outside of the the approved policies and operating proceedures. Daily operation is sterile and surgical. No variables. Period. Pumping seawater into a reactor is not a part of approved policies and proceedures. Draw your own conclusions from there.

[mick silver]

my thought just keep going out to the guys working on stopping this . we all know they will not live a long life

[sirgonzo420]

my thought just keep going out to the guys working on stopping this . we all know they will not live a long life


I was just thinking the same thing...


:-\

[Awoke]

Another issue with them pumping seawater into that system is that they will also be creating helium and hydrogen as by products, according to some dude I was just talking to.

[mamboni]

Well, after reading tons of posts on numerous forums about this nuclear situation I still have no idea of WTF is going on.

You can ask 10 different "experts" and get 10 different opinions.

One news article says this, another says that.

I personally think this is all a set up. Making use out of a crisis.

Japan is one of the best at earthquake preparedness and these are nuclear plants we are talking about.

I have seen dog houses in some footage that are in better shape than their nuclear plants.

Something else is at work here.

If it's real, it's probably being done on purpose.

My guess is that there ain't shit going on over there except what they are doing to create the smoke and mirrors.

Probably all lies.

We'll find out why in a bit.




Like I said earlier....NOTHING happens in a nuclear station outside of the the approved policies and operating proceedures. Daily operation is sterile and surgical. No variables. Period. Pumping seawater into a reactor is not a part of approved policies and proceedures. Draw your own conclusions from there.


You and G2Rad know a lot more about nuclear reactors than I do. Sea water is highly corrosive and throwing it on a reactor core consigns it to being permanently decommissioned, a total loss. This is akin to my putting out an engine fire with poured concrete - it's a final act of desperation and I'm resigned to the engine being gone. As these reactor facilities are many billions of dollars capital assets, the sea water maneuver strikes me as a final act of desperation. This is frightening because it means that the final outcome is uncertain. And the Japanese are not known to be open about mistakes and blunders made - saving face is deeply ingrained.

[Spectrism]

Well, after reading tons of posts on numerous forums about this nuclear situation I still have no idea of WTF is going on.

You can ask 10 different "experts" and get 10 different opinions.

One news article says this, another says that.

I personally think this is all a set up. Making use out of a crisis.

Japan is one of the best at earthquake preparedness and these are nuclear plants we are talking about.

I have seen dog houses in some footage that are in better shape than their nuclear plants.

Something else is at work here.

If it's real, it's probably being done on purpose.

My guess is that there ain't shit going on over there except what they are doing to create the smoke and mirrors.

Probably all lies.

We'll find out why in a bit.




Like I said earlier....NOTHING happens in a nuclear station outside of the the approved policies and operating proceedures. Daily operation is sterile and surgical. No variables. Period. Pumping seawater into a reactor is not a part of approved policies and proceedures. Draw your own conclusions from there.


Japan is toast. Anything within 200 miles... maybe more depending on winds... will be hazardous to life.

When I heard they released radioactive steam, it was clear that things were out of control. Yes- sea water for coolant is an admission that the plant is doomed.... now they are trying to limit the doom.

It surprises me that they did not have all of this figured into contingencies.

[bellevuebully]

the sea water maneuver strikes me as a final act of desperation.


What I commented above regarding operating outside of the normal envelope of p&p...that is not a suggestion or an opinion....it is an absolute. Bank on it. The moment I heard that I knew they were in deep. And so did every person in the world who works in a nuclear facility.

[sunnyandseventy]

It surprises me that they did not have all of this figured into contingencies.

What kind of contingency is there for weaponized disaster?

[Spectrism]

It surprises me that they did not have all of this figured into contingencies.

What kind of contingency is there for weaponized disaster?


There should be fail-safe methods and operations in place. No matter what could go wrong... loss of ALL electric power, confusion of controls, loss of pumps, loss of coolant water, earthquakes. tsunamis, ANYTHING. If power is lost, the system should have a completely mechanical override that shuts down the reactor.

It just sounds like they had no emergency plan in place.

[mick silver]

it look like the fuel rods are leaking now .

[Large Sarge]

Well, after reading tons of posts on numerous forums about this nuclear situation I still have no idea of WTF is going on.

You can ask 10 different "experts" and get 10 different opinions.

One news article says this, another says that.

I personally think this is all a set up. Making use out of a crisis.

Japan is one of the best at earthquake preparedness and these are nuclear plants we are talking about.

I have seen dog houses in some footage that are in better shape than their nuclear plants.

Something else is at work here.

If it's real, it's probably being done on purpose.

My guess is that there ain't shit going on over there except what they are doing to create the smoke and mirrors.

Probably all lies.

We'll find out why in a bit.




Like I said earlier....NOTHING happens in a nuclear station outside of the the approved policies and operating proceedures. Daily operation is sterile and surgical. No variables. Period. Pumping seawater into a reactor is not a part of approved policies and proceedures. Draw your own conclusions from there.


Japan is toast. Anything within 200 miles... maybe more depending on winds... will be hazardous to life.

When I heard they released radioactive steam, it was clear that things were out of control. Yes- sea water for coolant is an admission that the plant is doomed.... now they are trying to limit the doom.

It surprises me that they did not have all of this figured into contingencies.


one of the items I saw, a japanese scientist said "evacuate 600-900 km radius"

think about that, and if I am remembering correctly, tokyo is ony 230 miles from the reactor....

[wrs]

It just sounds like they had no emergency plan in place.

This is far worse than any emergency that could be considered. This is basically TEOTWATKI and who knows, it could be for us in the next few months. If you google around about Elenin, you find some fairly interesting stuff.

One thing you have to wonder about is the idea of building a nuke right on the coast exposed to typhoons and tsunami's. That part of it seems pretty dumb.

[sunnyandseventy]

one of the items I saw, a japanese scientist said "evacuate 600-900 km radius"

think about that, and if I am remembering correctly, tokyo is ony 230 miles from the reactor....


Given Antonio's claim that the Japs are only two letters away from jews my guess is they'll move them into all the unsold housing here in America.

[bellevuebully]

One thing you have to wonder about is the idea of building a nuke right on the coast exposed to typhoons and tsunami's. That part of it seems pretty dumb.


That's an understatement. At least without a massive concrete containment wall.

[Santa]

One thing you have to wonder about is the idea of building a nuke right on the coast exposed to typhoons and tsunami's. That part of it seems pretty dumb.

Although, come to think of it, lots of them are.

I always presumed they were built in those locations for the massive amounts of sea water that's turned to steam
to run the turbines which generate electricity and also as a source of coolant.

[wrs]

That's an understatement.

Yeah, I don't want to be harsh. It does seem that any nuke on the coast is stupid though. However, the US has several, there is one right here in Texas. I think TMI is one as is the Diablo Canyon nuke in California. Those three come to mind but I bet there are more.

[Spectrism]

I am really grieved over this tragedy.... first for the people of Japan. And next for all who are about to get hit with this kind of disaster in different forms.

I guess I know that the end is near, but I am having a hard time really believing it. We have been expecting this for some time and its unfolding will have many unforeseen horrors.

[Awoke]

If the end is truely coming, then we will see much more suffering before it is done. It's all in the Scriptures, and for the most part, the westerners have remained untouched.

[oldmansmith]

I'm not saying that the end times are not here, but you do know that people have been saying this for a thousand years.

It does seem different this time though.

[bellevuebully]

I'd be curious to know, if there is a full-blown melt of the core, which imo, that is where things are headed, what kind of exclusion zone would that entail. If it is true and stations to the south are on the same path, would the island of Japan even be inhabitable. I would think not, for all intents and purposes. Don't want to speculate too far, but the possibility remains.

[bellevuebully]

As Mamboni mentioned earlier, the second explosion looked quite different from the first. I also notice that. I also noticed that CNN was reporting on the second explosion but they kept showing footage of the first, like the second was something they didn't want you to see. Dunno.

[woodman]

One has to wonder just how high into the atmosphere these poisons may go. Everything is interconnected in some way. Although these events may not show the impressive mushroom cloud that nuclear bomb can, they will still spread their poisons to the wind.

The polar jets are amazing planetary features.

The wind speeds vary according to the temperature gradient, exceeding 92 kilometres per hour (50 kn),[15] although speeds of over 398 kilometres per hour (215 kn) have been measured.[19] Meteorologists now understand that the path of jet streams steers cyclonic storm systems at lower levels in the atmosphere, and so knowledge of their course has ...........

I feel very sad for the people of Japan and sas for anyone affected eventually. I am also very angry at the stupidity of those who think they are smart enough to foist this folly upon humanity.

Hopefully things are not that bad. They probably are worse than we are being told though.

[Spectrism]

I'm not saying that the end times are not here, but you do know that people have been saying this for a thousand years.

It does seem different this time though.


Sure, there have been world wars and horrible events that wiped out entire areas. There have been plagues and famines. For everyone who has gone before, the world did end.

But the recent events have established a point of no return. Consider world population. For most of history it bounced around 200 million. Now.... more than 6 billion.

http://www.susps.org/images/worldpopgr.gif

The world has gotten smaller in terms of the reach of man. Communication, transportation.... toxic chemical use, mercury release from power plants, processing & factories, nuclear hazzards.


But prophecies of the bible gave us clues what to watch for. First, understand that many prohecies of the Torah & prophets (old testament) happened as foretold. We don't hear much about them but the events were spectacular. You may consider looking into what ancient prophecies were fulfilled long ago. This just gives credibility to the source- telling future events accurately.

I watched many things fall into place over the last 30 years to meet the requirements of the end of this age. I recall in the mid 1990s expecting to see Japan destroyed. At that time, we were buying some core products from a company in California and we were venturing more into Japanese-made items. I thought about how fragile our commerce was when things hit.... and I thought it could be any time.... but the end was not ready yet.

Mar 13:10 And the gospel must first be proclaimed to all the nations.


Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the earth for a testimony to all the nations, and then will come the end.

We are in that smaller world now. Communication and transportation has allowed the message to get out to any who would be drawn in. VERY SOON that opportunity will end and the few that do come will be in stark contrast to the billions who curse God in these horrible events to unfold.

[chad]

two nuclear bombs went off in japan in the 1940s. the united states did not die off because of it.

[wrs]

I'd be curious to know, if there is a full-blown melt of the core, which imo, that is where things are headed, what kind of exclusion zone would that entail. If it is true and stations to the south are on the same path, would the island of Japan even be inhabitable. I would think not, for all intents and purposes. Don't want to speculate too far, but the possibility remains.

Which ones to the south are you referring to?

Don't you think it's inevitable that a meltdown will occur on the ones that have exploded? It seems to me that they are out of control and need to be cemented in starting now. That second explosion looked like a nuclear explosion to me, way different than the first one. I have looked at it several times now. It went straight up, much higher than the first one. It looks a lot like the explosions of the WTC towers but on a smaller scale. Some say those might have been micro nukes.

[G2Rad]

http://www.nrc.gov/images/reading-rm/basic-ref/students/student-bwr.gif

[G2Rad]

http://www.nrc.gov/images/bwrsm.jpg

[beefsteak]

GS-US'ers who are the gleeful, Bible thumpers on here, and you know who you are...

would you cut the gloom and doom scripture quotations, please?

I've read them before you posted them, and yet, I do not see how that is God honoring or loving my neighbor to be neener neenered by bible thumpers.

I'm a believer and a God Fearing one at that. HOWEVER, what I want to see and read and share is that God is in charge, Prayer changes things, and there is work yet to be done, both here and abroad. Motivation, not hell-fire-brimstone will get the work done. Otherwise, why are we still breathing and moving about? Just so we can get whacked on the head by "I told you so" Bible Thumpers?

ENOUGH ALREADY. YOU'RE only swelling your own ego, you're NOT helping anyone else, let alone honoring the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!

[DMac]

Rods are likely melting in all 3 reactors, AP:

Official: Rods likely melting in Japanese reactors
(http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_JAPAN_EARTHQUAKE_NUCLEAR_CRISIS?SITE=TXHAR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-03-14-11-26-01)

[G2Rad]

GS-US'ers who are the bible thumpers on here, and you know who you are...

would you cut the gloom and doom scripture quotations, please?

I've read them before you posted them, and yet, I do not see how that is God honoring or loving my neighbor to be neener neenered by bible thumpers.

I'm a believer and a God Fearing one at that. HOWEVER, what I want to see and read and share is that God is in charge, Prayer changes things, and there is work yet to be done, both here and abroad. Motivation, not hell-fire-brimstone will get the work done. Otherwise, why are we still breathing and moving about? Just so we can get whacked on the head by "I told you so" Bible Thumpers?

ENOUGH ALREADY. YOU'RE only swelling your own ego, you're NOT helping anyone else, let alone honoring the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!


Dear Satan's nut-hugger, why don't you please go kick a soccer ball, please?

[beefsteak]

I rest my case. You G2Rad moved to the head of the neener neener line.

[DMac]

GS-US'ers who are the bible thumpers on here, and you know who you are...

would you cut the gloom and doom scripture quotations, please?

I've read them before you posted them, and yet, I do not see how that is God honoring or loving my neighbor to be neener neenered by bible thumpers.

I'm a believer and a God Fearing one at that. HOWEVER, what I want to see and read and share is that God is in charge, Prayer changes things, and there is work yet to be done, both here and abroad. Motivation, not hell-fire-brimstone will get the work done. Otherwise, why are we still breathing and moving about? Just so we can get whacked on the head by "I told you so" Bible Thumpers?

ENOUGH ALREADY. YOU'RE only swelling your own ego, you're NOT helping anyone else, let alone honoring the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!


Dear Satan's nut-hugger, why don't you please go kick a soccer ball, please?


I hug no nuts but I too am tired of reading how this is all God cursing mankind. Enough. Let's stick to the facts as best we can. TIA

[Spectrism]

I would much rather know the truth than wish unicorns would fly overhead pooping M&Ms & gummi bears.

Here is a fairly sobering report:
http://www.ips-dc.org/blog/meltdowns_grow_more_likely_at_the_fukushima_reacto rs


partial -
The results of desperate efforts to divert seawater into the Unit 1 reactor are uncertain. A Japanese official reported that gauges don't appear to show the water level rising in the reactor vessel.

There remain a number of major uncertainties about the situation's stability and many questions about what might happen next. Along with the struggle to cool the reactors is the potential danger from an inability to cool Fukushima's spent nuclear fuel pools. They contain very large concentrations of radioactivity, can catch fire, and are in much more vulnerable buildings. The ponds, typically rectangular basins about 40 feet deep, are made of reinforced concrete walls four to five feet thick lined with stainless steel.

The boiling-water reactors at Fukushima — 40 years old and designed by General Electric — have spent fuel pools several stories above ground adjacent to the top of the reactor. The hydrogen explosion may have blown off the roof covering the pool, as it's not under containment. The pool requires water circulation to remove decay heat. If this doesn't happen, the water will evaporate and possibly boil off. If a pool wall or support is compromised, then drainage is a concern. Once the water drops to around 5-6 feet above the assemblies, dose rates could be life-threatening near the reactor building. If significant drainage occurs, after several hours the zirconium cladding around the irradiated uranium could ignite.

Then all bets are off.

On average, spent fuel ponds hold five-to-ten times more long-lived radioactivity than a reactor core. Particularly worrisome is the large amount of cesium-137 in fuel ponds, which contain anywhere from 20 to 50 million curies of this dangerous radioactive isotope. With a half-life of 30 years, cesium-137 gives off highly penetrating radiation and is absorbed in the food chain as if it were potassium.

In comparison, the 1986 Chernobyl accident released about 40 percent of the reactor core’s 6 million curies. A 1997 report for the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) by Brookhaven National Laboratory also found that a severe pool fire could render about 188 square miles uninhabitable, cause as many as 28,000 cancer fatalities, and cost $59 billion in damage. A single spent fuel pond holds more cesium-137 than was deposited by all atmospheric nuclear weapons tests in the Northern Hemisphere combined. Earthquakes and acts of malice are considered to be the primary events that can cause a major loss of pool water.

In 2003, my colleagues and I published a study that indicated if a spent fuel pool were drained in the United States, a major release of cesium-137 from a pool fire could render an area uninhabitable greater than created by the Chernobyl accident. We recommended that spent fuel older than five years, about 75 percent of what's in U.S. spent fuel pools, be placed in dry hardened casks — something Germany did 25 years ago. The NRC challenged our recommendation, which prompted Congress to request a review of this controversy by the National Academy of Sciences. In 2004, the Academy reported that a "partially or completely drained a spent fuel pool could lead to a propagating zirconium cladding fire and release large quantities of radioactive materials to the environment."

[G2Rad]

GE Mark I cotainment diagram

http://www.nrc.gov/reactors/generic-bwr.pdf

[chad]

some japanese minister of something or other just announced that the cores of three of them are most likely all melting down.

[Spectrism]

GS-US'ers who are the bible thumpers on here, and you know who you are...

would you cut the gloom and doom scripture quotations, please?

I've read them before you posted them, and yet, I do not see how that is God honoring or loving my neighbor to be neener neenered by bible thumpers.

I'm a believer and a God Fearing one at that. HOWEVER, what I want to see and read and share is that God is in charge, Prayer changes things, and there is work yet to be done, both here and abroad. Motivation, not hell-fire-brimstone will get the work done. Otherwise, why are we still breathing and moving about? Just so we can get whacked on the head by "I told you so" Bible Thumpers?

ENOUGH ALREADY. YOU'RE only swelling your own ego, you're NOT helping anyone else, let alone honoring the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!


Dear Satan's nut-hugger, why don't you please go kick a soccer ball, please?


I hug no nuts but I too am tired of reading how this is all God cursing mankind. Enough. Let's stick to the facts as best we can. TIA


Huh? You have not read my posts. The world is not in God's kingdom. Those who called upon God are blessed by Him and kept under His protection. The judgments that are happening are more blessing than curse. They are a LAST chance for people to get on their knees before God.

If you think you can pray away the choices of men, then you don't know prayer. You want to hear that God is in charge. We are likened to fields of grain ready to be harvested. Do you know what happens in a harvest? Before I leave here I want anyone within range to hear the call of pleading given to me by God. Choose life!

[beefsteak]

Spectrism,
I want truth as well...I just will be able to hear it better if you quit bashing me around the head and ears with your dented copy of the Bible.

Now wrap more tightly your garment of blood washed righteousness around you a wee bit more sanctimoniously and either speak truth OR beat up people with your ego engorging neener neener quotations.

You can't do both, because it's hard to hear you when you're slamming people in the head with "holy writ!"

[G2Rad]

some japanese minister of something or other just announced that the cores of three of them are most likely all melting down.


link?

[chad]

some japanese minister of something or other just announced that the cores of three of them are most likely all melting down.


link?


it's on the front page of zero hedge.

[DMac]

some japanese minister of something or other just announced that the cores of three of them are most likely all melting down.


link?


it's on the front page of zero hedge.


The link I posted in #220 has been modified by the AP.

Another link:

Official: Rods likely melting in Japanese reactors (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/7471312.html)

[beefsteak]

Call of Pleading?

That would be ..."come unto ME, all ye that labor and are heavy laden and I WILL give you rest. Take MY yoke upon you and learn of ME, for I AM meek and lowly of heart, and ye shall find rest unto your souls."


THAT'S A PLEADING, Spectrism...not slashing, bashing and telling everyone you are better because you know more hell-fire and brimstone passages and can quote'em quicker on GS-US than anyone else on here.

As an old wheat farmer/combine-er of many decades, I never went out and stomped on the wheat, nor yelled at it, nor called it blackhearted names, just before I tried to harvest it.

Nope, that's not the way of harvesting by a "good farmer."

[G2Rad]

Here is the best design description I've read so far:

http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/basic-ref/teachers/03.pdf

[Kali]

It appears the only safe place to flee to may be Mexico.

[sunnyandseventy]

It seems to me that they are out of control and need to be cemented in starting now. That second explosion looked like a nuclear explosion to me, way different than the first one. I have looked at it several times now.

I hate to doom but......

Where does the island nation of Japan get cement or concrete? I'm guessing it's shipped or barged in? If so, where do they store it? Near the shipyard where it comes in? Tsunami.
Thinking cement might not be an option.

[beefsteak]

Spectrism,
while I have your attention...
remember the old hymn of invitation?.....
SOFTLY AND TENDERLY JESUS IS CALLING....

You've singlehandedly re-written it to: "LOUDLY AND RAUCOUSLY SPECTRISM IS THUMPIN'...."

[Awoke]

Haha! "Safety" in Mexico...

Tooo funny.

[beefsteak]

It seems to me that they are out of control and need to be cemented in starting now. That second explosion looked like a nuclear explosion to me, way different than the first one. I have looked at it several times now.

I hate to doom but......

Where does the island nation of Japan get cement or concrete? I'm guessing it's shipped or barged in? If so, where do they store it? Near the shipyard where it comes in? Tsunami.
Thinking cement might not be an option.

This nation has 9 Ashgrove plants who ship belly-dumper train carsfull through this nation to the ports daily, by the thousands. Most of it has been going to China in the last 5 years, for their dam building.

Perhaps China can spare a few million tons, b/c Concrete is what they used to seal off Chernobyl.

[Kali]

Haha! "Safety" in Mexico...

Tooo funny.


Funny but also might be reality.

I wonder if they'd call us wetbacks.

[7th trump]

GS-US'ers who are the gleeful, Bible thumpers on here, and you know who you are...

would you cut the gloom and doom scripture quotations, please?

I've read them before you posted them, and yet, I do not see how that is God honoring or loving my neighbor to be neener neenered by bible thumpers.

I'm a believer and a God Fearing one at that. HOWEVER, what I want to see and read and share is that God is in charge, Prayer changes things, and there is work yet to be done, both here and abroad. Motivation, not hell-fire-brimstone will get the work done. Otherwise, why are we still breathing and moving about? Just so we can get whacked on the head by "I told you so" Bible Thumpers?

ENOUGH ALREADY. YOU'RE only swelling your own ego, you're NOT helping anyone else, let alone honoring the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!

Huh?

you're NOT helping anyone else, let alone honoring the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!
A speeding run away locomotive is headed this way and you want to say "I dont want to hear this.....boo hoo hoo"!
What makes you think God isnt in charge?
Are you saying God isnt in charge of His wrath?
You are scared arent you!
Whats there to be scared about really? Its all been written thousands of years ago this will happen when man rejects God.
You must not have read that God doesnt harm those who He loves. This doesnt mean He will cause something to happen in your life that steers you away from His wrath. My advise is to understand Him and not get in His way.
In other words dont build the corner stones of your house on shaky ground when you damn well know He tells you dont do it.

[G2Rad]

Perhaps China can spare a few million tons, b/c Concrete is what they used to seal off Chernobyl.


depends on which way the wind blows

if it blows on main-land China, ....

[7th trump]

Spectrism,
while I have your attention...
remember the old hymn of invitation?.....
SOFTLY AND TENDERLY JESUS IS CALLING....

You've singlehandedly re-written it to: "LOUDLY AND RAUCOUSLY SPECTRISM IS THUMPIN'...."


Yep He is, but He also warns you of His wrath in a very loud manner. Those vials of destruction are wide brimmed cups that pour out the contents all at once........swift is His anger!

Sorry but your posts are acking of a coward on the battle field.

[beefsteak]

Man, you thumpers are coming out of the woodwork.

Nice to learn who my "neighbors" truly are.

So, if you didn't put your cornerstone in place right, according to "code," then I'm not supposed to provide you shelter and food and clothing when your house collapses, because God is going to take care of you miraculously when all those terrible Japanese people have died and are dying and without basic necessities of food, shelter and water?

What kind of low life "Christian" are you? Sure not one I sit next to in Bible Study I hope!

[Spectrism]

Call of Pleading?

That would be ..."come unto ME, all ye that labor and are heavy laden and I WILL give you rest. Take MY yoke upon you and learn of ME, for I AM meek and lowly of heart, and ye shall find rest unto your souls."


THAT'S A PLEADING, Spectrism...not slashing, bashing and telling everyone you are better because you know more hell-fire and brimstone passages and can quote'em quicker on GS-US than anyone else on here.

As an old wheat farmer/combine-er of many decades, I never went out and stomped on the wheat, nor yelled at it, nor called it blackhearted names, just before I tried to harvest it.

Nope, that's not the way of harvesting by a "good farmer."



I said that I am better because I can quote scripture? I will let you in on my secret.... I use e-sword.
http://www.e-sword.net/

Get free bible versions and easy search ability. Now YOU can be "better" too.

I am not the harvester. I am not the grower. I am only the seed planter. And when I see invaders in the field, THEY get called names by me. They get trampled. When I see someone planting weeds in the crops, I do get a bit out of sorts. And when I see poisons being sprayed, I am not a happy-clappy, peace-to-all nice guy.

As I said earlier... the message has gone out. It keeps going out. For those who will forever reject it, they are lost anyway. If they are upset by it, too bad. For the few who will hear it, they will be saved. I am only one tiny tainted part of the One true voice. Some here will here the word better from others. That is fine.

I do what I believe I am led by the Spirit to do. Maybe I am deceived. My boss will judge me. If you think my boss is incapable, take it up with Him.


oh- btw- in HARVESTING, I meant that the crops are KILLED. The plant is dead after the harvest.... cut off from the root or vine. We are all to be cut off from this world.

[beefsteak]

I posted a thank you for your post, pal, because it is helpful to learn right quick who the real Christians are and who those who need my loving help are.

YOU go hide under the Blood.

I'll tuck my bloodwashed hem up into my sash and keep on heavy lifting while you hide and quote.

Deal?

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Oh, I've been "talkin' to the boss about you" already, Spectrism...who do you think told me to stand up to you and tell you to shut the hell up?

You're so busy bashing, you can't hear His Still Small Voice.

Go back to studying how to harvest over-ripe wheat. You got a several things to do before you're even going to be let on the combine crew!!!

[Kali]

This is some meeting they recently had...watching it now.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/13320454

[wrs]

It appears Japan does produce some of it's own cement.

Japan Cement Association (http://www.jcassoc.or.jp/cement/2eng/ea.html)

[7th trump]

Call of Pleading?

That would be ..."come unto ME, all ye that labor and are heavy laden and I WILL give you rest. Take MY yoke upon you and learn of ME, for I AM meek and lowly of heart, and ye shall find rest unto your souls."


THAT'S A PLEADING, Spectrism...not slashing, bashing and telling everyone you are better because you know more hell-fire and brimstone passages and can quote'em quicker on GS-US than anyone else on here.

As an old wheat farmer/combine-er of many decades, I never went out and stomped on the wheat, nor yelled at it, nor called it blackhearted names, just before I tried to harvest it.

Nope, that's not the way of harvesting by a "good farmer."


One look up the word "rest" in that passage and see if it fits your description of what you want it to say.
Understand the subject of this passage you posted and see if it fits in with the wrath of God.

IT DOESNT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its no different than a life pew sitting church goer taking the number of the beast....................the same punishment for the church goer and the eger to take such a number. Both are inflicted with the same punishment.

You wont be doing any harvesting Beef.
The angels will be doing the harvesting and seperating the chaff from the wheat. The chaff goes into the pit.

[G2Rad]

Alpha is low energy also, but I'm not really that familiar with it.


while 1 rad of gamma produces 1 rems of damage, 1 rad of Alpha produces 20 rems of biological damage

Alpha is a nasty stuff that penetrates into body with contaminated air, water & food intake and stays there

[beefsteak]

It appears Japan does produce some of it's own cement.

Japan Cement Association (http://www.jcassoc.or.jp/cement/2eng/ea.html)


Good find, WRS...
just one weee problem...
they are a Just In Time inventory management type.

You don't just look at a mountain of calcium carbonate and say...'IN THE TRUCK" and drive out to the job site.

It's a whoooooooooooooooooole lot more involved than that.

Besides, most of those outfits work on massive electricity...and that's kind of in short supply right now. And then there are all those workers who can't get to work, and all those trains who can't get product from mine to reactor sites...

logistics are a nightmare internally. External sourcing is probably their best hope.