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chad
14th March 2011, 07:37 AM
i was in iowa this weekend, and people there were talking about this. apparently harkin has been vocal about it in iowa. couldn't find anything online other than this, but apparently he is talking about a new program whereby an extra 8% of your paycheck will be put into a government sponsored annuity type system.

they're selling it by having "professional money managers" manage it. translation = have 8% of your paycheck taken out, given to money mangers who get paid a fee to buy treasuries or whatever else the government tells them to "invest it in."

also, this will be an additional new plan, not a replacement for SS.

http://www.pionline.com/article/20110309/REG/110309907

Sen. Harkin proposes new retirement scheme to supplant 401(k)s
Iowa Democrat envisions provident fund managed by advisers

Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, chairman of the Senate Health Education Labor and Pensions Committee, would like to create a new private retirement system that is based on professionally managed pools of retirement funds. He doubts Americans on their own can cobble together nest eggs big enough to finance their post-work needs.

“Forcing people to manage their own retirement funds isn't working,” Mr. Harkin said of the growing use of 401(k) plans by employers. “Most people don't have the background, the interest or the time. Instead, retirement dollars need to be pooled to take advantage of economies of scale and managed by professionals who carefully select and monitor every investment in a diversified portfolio.”

Mr. Harkin spoke March 8 at a conference in Washington sponsored by the National Institute on Retirement Security. After Mr. Harkin's address, the group released a survey showing 84% of Americans are concerned that they won't be able to save enough for retirement and that most people believe they will only achieve a modest lifestyle after they stop working.

Last fall, Mr. Harkin launched a series of hearings focused on retirement security, which are continuing this year. He wants to rethink how retirement is financed.

“The root of the problem is that we've never had a coherent plan for a universal private retirement system,” Mr. Harkin said. “We need to take a fresh look at the retirement system and see what we can do to make it work for everyone.”

A new mechanism should be universal and automatic, provide a check for a certain amount every month for as long as a retiree lives, involve shared responsibility between employers, the government and individuals, and include a central role for professional money managers, according to Mr. Harkin.

Mr. Harkin said that advisers involved in the system would have a fiduciary responsibility and would have to operate transparently while investing retirement money in both Treasury bonds and private securities.

“I don't know how it would be structured,” he said after his speech. “I would be the first to admit I don't have a blueprint. That's why I'm holding these hearings.”

In a committee meeting last fall, Mr. Harkin raised concerns about conflicts of interests for advisers to defined contribution plans sponsored by employers. He asserted they have an incentive to push employees into higher-fee products like individual retirement account rollovers, a point also made in a recent Government Accountability Office study.

“What you need to do is wring out of the system any sense that an individual or investment firm can make more profit by rolling these things over at the expense of people who put the money in,” Mr. Harkin said.

In 2009, the median balance in 401(k) plans was $59,381, according to a study by the Employee Benefits Research Institute. People are realizing that they may fall well short of the savings they need for retirement, according to the NIRS poll released Tuesday.

“Generally, Americans consider a secure retirement simply surviving or living comfortably (34%), paying their bills (17%) maintaining their pre-retirement lifestyle (11%), and paying health-care and health insurance costs (8%),” states the report, which was based on nationwide telephone interviews of 800 Americans 25 or older.

The poll also showed that 80% believe that policymakers in Washington fail to understand the difficulties of saving enough money for retirement.

Adding to the dour sentiment is the fact that the financial crisis of 2008 lingers in the minds of many Americans and has shaken their confidence in the markets, according to Brian Perlman, a partner at Mathew Greenwald & Associates, which conducted the poll.

mick silver
14th March 2011, 07:39 AM
he can kiss my white ass ... no nore , no more , no more , no more taxes

chad
14th March 2011, 07:41 AM
he can kiss my white ass ... no nore , no more , no more , no more taxes


too bad for you, mick. it will automatically be taken out of your check like SS, fica, etc. you are too stupid to plan for your retirement, the great government must do it for you.

osoab
14th March 2011, 08:09 AM
Is this different from the proposal to force us to buy Treasuries in our 401k's and IRA's? Or is that option still on the table with this new proposed program?

BabushkaLady
14th March 2011, 08:10 AM
“The root of the problem is that we've never had a coherent plan for a universal private retirement system,” Mr. Harkin said. “We need to take a fresh look at the retirement system and see what we can do to make it work for everyone.”


Universal seems to be his favorite word! I'd like to introduce the words Debased Monetary System.


[size=10pt]"Under a paper money system, a determined government can always generate higher spending and hence positive inflation."Ben Bernanke, future Fed Chairman (in 2002)

chad
14th March 2011, 08:10 AM
Is this different from the proposal to force us to buy Treasuries in our 401k's and IRA's? Or is that option still on the table with this new proposed program?


that's this program re-done. they realized that making people buy that stuff in their iras, 401ks would never fly, so now we have a new program that will be run by "investment professionals." the professionals will all be told to buy treasuries, this or that bank stock, etc.

chad
14th March 2011, 08:15 AM
here's a beaut of a speech he gave in iowa about it. too long to paste. pay attention to how stupid he thinks people are. people are all retards, they need us smart people to help them.

http://www.iowapolitics.com/index.iml?Article=229411

mamboni
14th March 2011, 08:32 AM
Harkin calls for a "universal private retirement system?" Talk about cognitive dissonance! This guy must have been put up to this by the Wall Street vampires because Main Street/private investors have deserted the stock market for the scam it has become. The only trading going on is by computers skimming profits for the hedgies. So Harkin wants us all to forget how SSI, which FDR promised would fix the problem of orphans and widows, is now busted but the tax remains forever. He wants SSI part deux and another 8% payroll tax? His balls are so big it's any wonder he can waddle to a news conference. Oh, it gets better: he wants the schmendricks on Wall Street to manage this money ;D. These are the same vampire squids who brought us the financial meltdown of 2008-2009 and have sucked $trillions out of the Treasury courtesy of the savings of millions of American workers whose dollars are slowly getting destroyed by dilution. Harkin must take us all for complete morons. He asks why workers can't save for retirement? It's kind of hard to save when you're unemployed. And when you work your wages are taxed and taxed and taxed. Then, the little bit of money you can scrape together earns you a paltry 1% in the bank while inflation is running north of 10%! And, there's an income tax on that 1%!

But don't worry, Harkin has the solution: "We'll pool all these inadequate savings and give it to the masters of the universe on Wall Street to grow into a nice big fat nest egg!" What a guy! :puke

Book
14th March 2011, 09:34 AM
they're selling it by having "professional money managers" manage it. translation = have 8% of your paycheck taken out, given to money mangers who get paid a fee to buy treasuries or whatever else the government tells them to "invest it in."



http://www.infiniteunknown.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/change-we-can-believe-in.jpg

Let's try something totally new and innovative this time. Let's let jews manage our retirement money. I know this is a very radical idea but let's give them a shot this time.

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