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skid
15th March 2011, 05:28 PM
Long article but very informative...

This post is by Dr Josef Oehmen, a research scientist at MIT, in Boston.

He is a PhD Scientist, whose father has extensive experience in Germany’s nuclear industry. I asked him to write this information to my family in Australia, who were being made sick with worry by the media reports coming from Japan. I am republishing it with his permission.

It is a few hours old, so if any information is out of date, blame me for the delay in getting it published.

This is his text in full and unedited. It is very long, so get comfy.


I am writing this text (Mar 12) to give you some peace of mind regarding some of the troubles in Japan, that is the safety of Japan’s nuclear reactors. Up front, the situation is serious, but under control. And this text is long! But you will know more about nuclear power plants after reading it than all journalists on this planet put together.

There was and will *not* be any significant release of radioactivity.

By “significant” I mean a level of radiation of more than what you would receive on – say – a long distance flight, or drinking a glass of beer that comes from certain areas with high levels of natural background radiation.

I have been reading every news release on the incident since the earthquake. There has not been one single (!) report that was accurate and free of errors (and part of that problem is also a weakness in the Japanese crisis communication). By “not free of errors” I do not refer to tendentious anti-nuclear journalism – that is quite normal these days. By “not free of errors” I mean blatant errors regarding physics and natural law, as well as gross misinterpretation of facts, due to an obvious lack of fundamental and basic understanding of the way nuclear reactors are build and operated. I have read a 3 page report on CNN where every single paragraph contained an error.

We will have to cover some fundamentals, before we get into what is going on.

Construction of the Fukushima nuclear power plants

The plants at Fukushima are so called Boiling Water Reactors, or BWR for short. Boiling Water Reactors are similar to a pressure cooker. The nuclear fuel heats water, the water boils and creates steam, the steam then drives turbines that create the electricity, and the steam is then cooled and condensed back to water, and the water send back to be heated by the nuclear fuel. The pressure cooker operates at about 250 °C.

The nuclear fuel is uranium oxide. Uranium oxide is a ceramic with a very high melting point of about 3000 °C. The fuel is manufactured in pellets (think little cylinders the size of Lego bricks). Those pieces are then put into a long tube made of Zircaloy with a melting point of 2200 °C, and sealed tight. The assembly is called a fuel rod. These fuel rods are then put together to form larger packages, and a number of these packages are then put into the reactor. All these packages together are referred to as “the core”.

The Zircaloy casing is the first containment. It separates the radioactive fuel from the rest of the world.

The core is then placed in the “pressure vessels”. That is the pressure cooker we talked about before. The pressure vessels is the second containment. This is one sturdy piece of a pot, designed to safely contain the core for temperatures several hundred °C. That covers the scenarios where cooling can be restored at some point.

The entire “hardware” of the nuclear reactor – the pressure vessel and all pipes, pumps, coolant (water) reserves, are then encased in the third containment. The third containment is a hermetically (air tight) sealed, very thick bubble of the strongest steel and concrete. The third containment is designed, built and tested for one single purpose: To contain, indefinitely, a complete core meltdown. For that purpose, a large and thick concrete basin is cast under the pressure vessel (the second containment), all inside the third containment. This is the so-called “core catcher”. If the core melts and the pressure vessel bursts (and eventually melts), it will catch the molten fuel and everything else. It is typically built in such a way that the nuclear fuel will be spread out, so it can cool down.

Continued...

skid
15th March 2011, 05:29 PM
This third containment is then surrounded by the reactor building. The reactor building is an outer shell that is supposed to keep the weather out, but nothing in. (this is the part that was damaged in the explosion, but more to that later).

Fundamentals of nuclear reactions

The uranium fuel generates heat by nuclear fission. Big uranium atoms are split into smaller atoms. That generates heat plus neutrons (one of the particles that forms an atom). When the neutron hits another uranium atom, that splits, generating more neutrons and so on. That is called the nuclear chain reaction.

Now, just packing a lot of fuel rods next to each other would quickly lead to overheating and after about 45 minutes to a melting of the fuel rods. It is worth mentioning at this point that the nuclear fuel in a reactor can *never* cause a nuclear explosion the type of a nuclear bomb. Building a nuclear bomb is actually quite difficult (ask Iran). In Chernobyl, the explosion was caused by excessive pressure buildup, hydrogen explosion and rupture of all containments, propelling molten core material into the environment (a “dirty bomb”). Why that did not and will not happen in Japan, further below.

In order to control the nuclear chain reaction, the reactor operators use so-called “control rods”. The control rods absorb the neutrons and kill the chain reaction instantaneously. A nuclear reactor is built in such a way, that when operating normally, you take out all the control rods. The coolant water then takes away the heat (and converts it into steam and electricity) at the same rate as the core produces it. And you have a lot of leeway around the standard operating point of 250°C.

The challenge is that after inserting the rods and stopping the chain reaction, the core still keeps producing heat. The uranium “stopped” the chain reaction. But a number of intermediate radioactive elements are created by the uranium during its fission process, most notably Cesium and Iodine isotopes, i.e. radioactive versions of these elements that will eventually split up into smaller atoms and not be radioactive anymore. Those elements keep decaying and producing heat. Because they are not regenerated any longer from the uranium (the uranium stopped decaying after the control rods were put in), they get less and less, and so the core cools down over a matter of days, until those intermediate radioactive elements are used up.

This residual heat is causing the headaches right now.

So the first “type” of radioactive material is the uranium in the fuel rods, plus the intermediate radioactive elements that the uranium splits into, also inside the fuel rod (Cesium and Iodine).

There is a second type of radioactive material created, outside the fuel rods. The big main difference up front: Those radioactive materials have a very short half-life, that means that they decay very fast and split into non-radioactive materials. By fast I mean seconds. So if these radioactive materials are released into the environment, yes, radioactivity was released, but no, it is not dangerous, at all. Why? By the time you spelled “R-A-D-I-O-N-U-C-L-I-D-E”, they will be harmless, because they will have split up into non radioactive elements. Those radioactive elements are N-16, the radioactive isotope (or version) of nitrogen (air). The others are noble gases such as Argon. But where do they come from? When the uranium splits, it generates a neutron (see above). Most of these neutrons will hit other uranium atoms and keep the nuclear chain reaction going. But some will leave the fuel rod and hit the water molecules, or the air that is in the water. Then, a non-radioactive element can “capture” the neutron. It becomes radioactive. As described above, it will quickly (seconds) get rid again of the neutron to return to its former beautiful self.

This second “type” of radiation is very important when we talk about the radioactivity being released into the environment later on.

skid
15th March 2011, 05:30 PM
What happened at Fukushima

I will try to summarize the main facts. The earthquake that hit Japan was 5 times more powerful than the worst earthquake the nuclear power plant was built for (the Richter scale works logarithmically; the difference between the 8.2 that the plants were built for and the 8.9 that happened is 5 times, not 0.7). So the first hooray for Japanese engineering, everything held up.

When the earthquake hit with 8.9, the nuclear reactors all went into automatic shutdown. Within seconds after the earthquake started, the control rods had been inserted into the core and nuclear chain reaction of the uranium stopped. Now, the cooling system has to carry away the residual heat. The residual heat load is about 3% of the heat load under normal operating conditions.

The earthquake destroyed the external power supply of the nuclear reactor. That is one of the most serious accidents for a nuclear power plant, and accordingly, a “plant black out” receives a lot of attention when designing backup systems. The power is needed to keep the coolant pumps working. Since the power plant had been shut down, it cannot produce any electricity by itself any more.

Things were going well for an hour. One set of multiple sets of emergency Diesel power generators kicked in and provided the electricity that was needed. Then the Tsunami came, much bigger than people had expected when building the power plant (see above, factor 7). The tsunami took out all multiple sets of backup Diesel generators.

When designing a nuclear power plant, engineers follow a philosophy called “Defense of Depth”. That means that you first build everything to withstand the worst catastrophe you can imagine, and then design the plant in such a way that it can still handle one system failure (that you thought could never happen) after the other. A tsunami taking out all backup power in one swift strike is such a scenario. The last line of defense is putting everything into the third containment (see above), that will keep everything, whatever the mess, control rods in our out, core molten or not, inside the reactor.

When the diesel generators were gone, the reactor operators switched to emergency battery power. The batteries were designed as one of the backups to the backups, to provide power for cooling the core for 8 hours. And they did.

Within the 8 hours, another power source had to be found and connected to the power plant. The power grid was down due to the earthquake. The diesel generators were destroyed by the tsunami. So mobile diesel generators were trucked in.

This is where things started to go seriously wrong. The external power generators could not be connected to the power plant (the plugs did not fit). So after the batteries ran out, the residual heat could not be carried away any more.

At this point the plant operators begin to follow emergency procedures that are in place for a “loss of cooling event”. It is again a step along the “Depth of Defense” lines. The power to the cooling systems should never have failed completely, but it did, so they “retreat” to the next line of defense. All of this, however shocking it seems to us, is part of the day-to-day training you go through as an operator, right through to managing a core meltdown.

It was at this stage that people started to talk about core meltdown. Because at the end of the day, if cooling cannot be restored, the core will eventually melt (after hours or days), and the last line of defense, the core catcher and third containment, would come into play.

But the goal at this stage was to manage the core while it was heating up, and ensure that the first containment (the Zircaloy tubes that contains the nuclear fuel), as well as the second containment (our pressure cooker) remain intact and operational for as long as possible, to give the engineers time to fix the cooling systems.

Because cooling the core is such a big deal, the reactor has a number of cooling systems, each in multiple versions (the reactor water cleanup system, the decay heat removal, the reactor core isolating cooling, the standby liquid cooling system, and the emergency core cooling system). Which one failed when or did not fail is not clear at this point in time.

So imagine our pressure cooker on the stove, heat on low, but on. The operators use whatever cooling system capacity they have to get rid of as much heat as possible, but the pressure starts building up. The priority now is to maintain integrity of the first containment (keep temperature of the fuel rods below 2200°C), as well as the second containment, the pressure cooker. In order to maintain integrity of the pressure cooker (the second containment), the pressure has to be released from time to time. Because the ability to do that in an emergency is so important, the reactor has 11 pressure release valves. The operators now started venting steam from time to time to control the pressure. The temperature at this stage was about 550°C.

This is when the reports about “radiation leakage” starting coming in. I believe I explained above why venting the steam is theoretically the same as releasing radiation into the environment, but why it was and is not dangerous. The radioactive nitrogen as well as the noble gases do not pose a threat to human health.

At some stage during this venting, the explosion occurred. The explosion took place outside of the third containment (our “last line of defense”), and the reactor building. Remember that the reactor building has no function in keeping the radioactivity contained. It is not entirely clear yet what has happened, but this is the likely scenario: The operators decided to vent the steam from the pressure vessel not directly into the environment, but into the space between the third containment and the reactor building (to give the radioactivity in the steam more time to subside). The problem is that at the high temperatures that the core had reached at this stage, water molecules can “disassociate” into oxygen and hydrogen – an explosive mixture. And it did explode, outside the third containment, damaging the reactor building around. It was that sort of explosion, but inside the pressure vessel (because it was badly designed and not managed properly by the operators) that lead to the explosion of Chernobyl. This was never a risk at Fukushima. The problem of hydrogen-oxygen formation is one of the biggies when you design a power plant (if you are not Soviet, that is), so the reactor is build and operated in a way it cannot happen inside the containment. It happened outside, which was not intended but a possible scenario and OK, because it did not pose a risk for the containment.

So the pressure was under control, as steam was vented. Now, if you keep boiling your pot, the problem is that the water level will keep falling and falling. The core is covered by several meters of water in order to allow for some time to pass (hours, days) before it gets exposed. Once the rods start to be exposed at the top, the exposed parts will reach the critical temperature of 2200 °C after about 45 minutes. This is when the first containment, the Zircaloy tube, would fail.

And this started to happen. The cooling could not be restored before there was some (very limited, but still) damage to the casing of some of the fuel. The nuclear material itself was still intact, but the surrounding Zircaloy shell had started melting. What happened now is that some of the byproducts of the uranium decay – radioactive Cesium and Iodine – started to mix with the steam. The big problem, uranium, was still under control, because the uranium oxide rods were good until 3000 °C. It is confirmed that a very small amount of Cesium and Iodine was measured in the steam that was released into the atmosphere.

It seems this was the “go signal” for a major plan B. The small amounts of Cesium that were measured told the operators that the first containment on one of the rods somewhere was about to give. The Plan A had been to restore one of the regular cooling systems to the core. Why that failed is unclear. One plausible explanation is that the tsunami also took away / polluted all the clean water needed for the regular cooling systems.

The water used in the cooling system is very clean, demineralized (like distilled) water. The reason to use pure water is the above mentioned activation by the neutrons from the Uranium: Pure water does not get activated much, so stays practically radioactive-free. Dirt or salt in the water will absorb the neutrons quicker, becoming more radioactive. This has no effect whatsoever on the core – it does not care what it is cooled by. But it makes life more difficult for the operators and mechanics when they have to deal with activated (i.e. slightly radioactive) water.

But Plan A had failed – cooling systems down or additional clean water unavailable – so Plan B came into effect. This is what it looks like happened:

In order to prevent a core meltdown, the operators started to use sea water to cool the core. I am not quite sure if they flooded our pressure cooker with it (the second containment), or if they flooded the third containment, immersing the pressure cooker. But that is not relevant for us.

The point is that the nuclear fuel has now been cooled down. Because the chain reaction has been stopped a long time ago, there is only very little residual heat being produced now. The large amount of cooling water that has been used is sufficient to take up that heat. Because it is a lot of water, the core does not produce sufficient heat any more to produce any significant pressure. Also, boric acid has been added to the seawater. Boric acid is “liquid control rod”. Whatever decay is still going on, the Boron will capture the neutrons and further speed up the cooling down of the core.

The plant came close to a core meltdown. Here is the worst-case scenario that was avoided: If the seawater could not have been used for treatment, the operators would have continued to vent the water steam to avoid pressure buildup. The third containment would then have been completely sealed to allow the core meltdown to happen without releasing radioactive material. After the meltdown, there would have been a waiting period for the intermediate radioactive materials to decay inside the reactor, and all radioactive particles to settle on a surface inside the containment. The cooling system would have been restored eventually, and the molten core cooled to a manageable temperature. The containment would have been cleaned up on the inside. Then a messy job of removing the molten core from the containment would have begun, packing the (now solid again) fuel bit by bit into transportation containers to be shipped to processing plants. Depending on the damage, the block of the plant would then either be repaired or dismantled.

Now, where does that leave us? My assessment:

§ The plant is safe now and will stay safe.

§ Japan is looking at an INES Level 4 Accident: Nuclear accident with local consequences. That is bad for the company that owns the plant, but not for anyone else.

§ Some radiation was released when the pressure vessel was vented. All radioactive isotopes from the activated steam have gone (decayed). A very small amount of Cesium was released, as well as Iodine. If you were sitting on top of the plants’ chimney when they were venting, you should probably give up smoking to return to your former life expectancy. The Cesium and Iodine isotopes were carried out to the sea and will never be seen again.

§ There was some limited damage to the first containment. That means that some amounts of radioactive Cesium and Iodine will also be released into the cooling water, but no Uranium or other nasty stuff (the Uranium oxide does not “dissolve” in the water). There are facilities for treating the cooling water inside the third containment. The radioactive Cesium and Iodine will be removed there and eventually stored as radioactive waste in terminal storage.

§ The seawater used as cooling water will be activated to some degree. Because the control rods are fully inserted, the Uranium chain reaction is not happening. That means the “main” nuclear reaction is not happening, thus not contributing to the activation. The intermediate radioactive materials (Cesium and Iodine) are also almost gone at this stage, because the Uranium decay was stopped a long time ago. This further reduces the activation. The bottom line is that there will be some low level of activation of the seawater, which will also be removed by the treatment facilities.

§ The seawater will then be replaced over time with the “normal” cooling water

§ The reactor core will then be dismantled and transported to a processing facility, just like during a regular fuel change.

§ Fuel rods and the entire plant will be checked for potential damage. This will take about 4-5 years.

§ The safety systems on all Japanese plants will be upgraded to withstand a 9.0 earthquake and tsunami (or worse)

§ (Updated) I believe the most significant problem will be a prolonged power shortage. 11 of Japan’s 55 nuclear reactors in different plants were shut down and will have to be inspected, directly reducing the nation’s nuclear power generating capacity by 20%, with nuclear power accounting for about 30% of the national total power generation capacity. I have not looked into possible consequences for other nuclear plants not directly affected. This will probably be covered by running gas power plants that are usually only used for peak loads to cover some of the base load as well. I am not familiar with Japan’s energy supply chain for oil, gas and coal, and what damage the harbors, refinery, storage and transportation networks have suffered, as well as damage to the national distribution grid. All of that will increase your electricity bill, as well as lead to power shortages during peak demand and reconstruction efforts, in Japan.

§ This all is only part of a much bigger picture. Emergency response has to deal with shelter, drinking water, food and medical care, transportation and communication infrastructure, as well as electricity supply. In a world of lean supply chains, we are looking at some major challenges in all of these areas.

If you want to stay informed, please forget the usual media outlets and consult the following websites:

§ http://bravenewclimate.com/

§ http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/default.aspx

§ http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS_Battle_to_stabilise_earthquake_reactors_1203111 .html

§ http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS_Venting_at_Fukushima_Daiichi_3_1303111.html

§ http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/12/japan-nuclear-earthquake/

§ http://ansnuclearcafe.org/2011/03/11/media-updates-on-nuclear-power-stations-in-japan/

Cobalt
15th March 2011, 05:48 PM
Any guy that makes this statement 5 seconds into the article I immediately dismiss as an over educated Idiot.

There was and will *not* be any significant release of radioactivity.

Sounds kind of like a Chernobyl press release that followed the reports coming out of Finland about abnormally large amounts of radiation being reported from several of their sensors

skid
15th March 2011, 05:52 PM
I don't know where I stand on this article as it was emailed to me. He does seem to know what he is talking about...

nunaem
15th March 2011, 05:56 PM
A lot has happened in the 3 days since this was written.

skid
15th March 2011, 05:57 PM
Good point, but a good explanation of how things work...

Spectrism
15th March 2011, 06:46 PM
Sounds like sweet soft talk and the reality was much worse than his reality.


§ The plant is safe now and will stay safe.

That is a pretty adventurous thing to say with initial reports of radioactive steam being released. That steam came from the containment vessel and should never have come out. That should have been his first clue of trouble.


§ Japan is looking at an INES Level 4 Accident: Nuclear accident with local consequences. That is bad for the company that owns the plant, but not for anyone else.

Now its up to 6? It is horrible for all those who can never go back to their homes, the manufacturers who have shut down and all who need to flea from Japan.



§ Some radiation was released when the pressure vessel was vented. All radioactive isotopes from the activated steam have gone (decayed). A very small amount of Cesium was released, as well as Iodine. If you were sitting on top of the plants’ chimney when they were venting, you should probably give up smoking to return to your former life expectancy. The Cesium and Iodine isotopes were carried out to the sea and will never be seen again.

And never seen again... except for the helicopters and US Navy personnel who got dosed. Shame on him for being so casual about this.



§ There was some limited damage to the first containment. That means that some amounts of radioactive Cesium and Iodine will also be released into the cooling water, but no Uranium or other nasty stuff (the Uranium oxide does not “dissolve” in the water). There are facilities for treating the cooling water inside the third containment. The radioactive Cesium and Iodine will be removed there and eventually stored as radioactive waste in terminal storage.

Oh so reassuring, eh?



§ The seawater used as cooling water will be activated to some degree. Because the control rods are fully inserted, the Uranium chain reaction is not happening. That means the “main” nuclear reaction is not happening, thus not contributing to the activation. The intermediate radioactive materials (Cesium and Iodine) are also almost gone at this stage, because the Uranium decay was stopped a long time ago. This further reduces the activation. The bottom line is that there will be some low level of activation of the seawater, which will also be removed by the treatment facilities.

Treatment facilities? We are at risk of the place being managed by helicopter drops like Chernobyl. Rods? I think there is a seething puddle after a meltdown and no rods. Did he even know about the spent rods boiling their cooling pools?




§ The seawater will then be replaced over time with the “normal” cooling water

Don't you just love optimists?



§ The reactor core will then be dismantled and transported to a processing facility, just like during a regular fuel change.

Easier than tuning up your car.



§ Fuel rods and the entire plant will be checked for potential damage. This will take about 4-5 years.

I think the place will be hazardous for 40-50 years.... but that is just my guess.



§ The safety systems on all Japanese plants will be upgraded to withstand a 9.0 earthquake and tsunami (or worse)

But they can't stand a little water in their coolant pumps generators in the basement. How naive.

mamboni
15th March 2011, 06:54 PM
Good point, but a good explanation of how things work...


Yes, it is. I too posted this article here and took comfort in it. But real world events are playing out quite differently. It would appear the the vulnurability is not the contents of core, but decades of spent fuel rods sitting precariously above the reactor and far more prone to failure and dissemination of their lethal radioactive payload. If the author's circumspect analysis was correct, the Japanese reactors situation would be old news by now.

Spectrism
15th March 2011, 07:02 PM
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/

Now I read that the Reactor 4 rods were taken out of containment vessel for maintenance and placed in the cooling pool when the tsunami hit. Those are HOT (not spent) rods.

They can't even get close to it because the radiation is so bad. Anybody still believe the happy talk?

Spectrism
15th March 2011, 07:12 PM
Here is a good link with MANY pics and explanations. LOADED with info....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366308/Japan-earthquake-tsunami-Meltdown-3rd-reactor-blast-hits-nuclear-plant.html

See what happens when you panic late. Planning ahead may help you avoid this kind of situation... see some of pics.

DMac
15th March 2011, 07:31 PM
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/remember-mit-all-safe-paper

Spectrism
15th March 2011, 07:40 PM
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/remember-mit-all-safe-paper


Here is part-
Confirming, yet again, that MIT Ph.D.'s (such as the FRBNY's Brian Sack) are among the most dangerous around, a paper made the rounds yesterday by one Josef Oehmen titled: "Why I am not worried about Japan’s nuclear reactors." In the ensuing 48 hours, anyone who listened to Josef's advice (who incidentally is not a scientist) and was also "not worried about the reactors" has paid an exorbitant price, possibly up to and including their lives. We demand that MIT School of Nuclear Science and Engineering clarify their position on the matter, and make sure that incidents such as this, where Oehmen's paper received top billing due to its perceived "endorsement" by MIT and has since been completely discredited, never recur.

This is my take on it too. Very irresponsible for that educated idiot to use soft words in a dangerous situation.

DMac
15th March 2011, 08:35 PM
More, the guy isn't even a nuclear scientist:

MIT Researcher Is Not a Nuclear Scientist, Radioactivity Claims Debunked (http://gizmodo.com/#!5782390/mit-researchers-why-i-am-not-worried-about-japans-nuclear-reactors-article-debunked)

So much disinfo out there...

skid
15th March 2011, 09:09 PM
OK, I think I'll go slit my wrists for posting this... :-[

TheNocturnalEgyptian
15th March 2011, 10:21 PM
I really enjoyed this article. Even if his OPINIONS ABOUT THE FUTURE are incorrect, I think his descriptions of how the japanese built their fukushima nuclear reactor is probably accurate, and this lead to more understanding. Hell, I enjoyed it.

wrs
16th March 2011, 07:16 AM
This is exactly the kind of lying shill sack of shit stuff posted by Thomas Eager of MIT after 911. Of course there the damage was all done immediately and the cleanup was the coverup so all that can be done is to argue pointlessly forever. Here, it's obvious that this is a disaster and that all the other nukes in operation are just as susceptible to this kind of station failure.

What kills me is how they cannot seem to repower their grid after 5 days now. This implies that they have lost a huge amount of transmission or generation capability or maybe it's both. Who knows at this point.

The real danger here is all the unknowns involved in the melting slagpiles of fuel rods in every one of those buildings. If they cannot recover the station power then everyone of them will inevitably turn into the same thing as number four. At some point, even if they do recover station power, the place is going to be too hot for people to get in there and work. It looks to me like units 1-4 are toast and that the only chance they have for 5&6 is to recover station power and circulate the water since they still appear to be operational from the outside.

Twisted Titan
16th March 2011, 09:51 AM
This guy is just as brilliant as a economist telling you how the economoy is not in Meltdown mode.


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slvrbugjim
16th March 2011, 10:18 AM
Well this sounds all good and fine except for one very big omission in all of this.

Two of the reactor cores now melting down are MOX Fuel containing up to 10% Plutonium.

Fuel rods weigh thousands of pounds, anyone wish to chime in on what will happen when several hundred or thousand pounds of plutonium are released into the atmosphere for the next several months circling the globe.......

An atomic bomb contains several kilos of plutonium.

Awoke
16th March 2011, 10:20 AM
OK, I think I'll go slit my wrists for posting this... :-[


It is easy to be tricked by well written pieces.

The bottom line is, these reactor cores need to be cooled, or they will melt into the earth.
If they can't cool them, they melt.

If they melt, radioactive gases are released into the atmosphere. If they pour water on it, radioactive steam is released into the atmosphere. It aint good.

sirgonzo420
16th March 2011, 10:22 AM
OK, I think I'll go slit my wrists for posting this... :-[


It is easy to be tricked by well written pieces.

The bottom line is, these reactor cores need to be cooled, or they will melt into the earth.
If they can't cool them, they melt.

If they melt, radioactive gases are released into the atmosphere. If they pour water on it, radioactive steam is released into the atmosphere. It aint good.


Maybe if we (mankind) can't handle it we shouldn't be fucking around with nuclear power?

DMac
16th March 2011, 10:32 AM
Here is a letter from Greenpeace to the NCR regarding MOX fuel, and in particular the Fukushima plant:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/50775298/Greenpeace-Mox-Fuku

I find it interesting how they cite manual inspection of over 16,000 MOX pellets, and admonish the plant for not being up to par with safety standards.

This is from May, 2001.

Cobalt
16th March 2011, 10:40 AM
OK, I think I'll go slit my wrists for posting this... :-[


It is easy to be tricked by well written pieces.

The bottom line is, these reactor cores need to be cooled, or they will melt into the earth.
If they can't cool them, they melt.

If they melt, radioactive gases are released into the atmosphere. If they pour water on it, radioactive steam is released into the atmosphere. It aint good.


Maybe if we (mankind) can't handle it we shouldn't be fucking around with nuclear power?



The nuke power industry has always been plagued with problems since the beginning that is why here in the states the Price-Anderson Act was put in place back in 1957.
What the industry found early on is they could only purchase 60 million dollars worth of insurance which certainly wouldn't be enough to cover any accident so the good old gubment took on responsibility and they are on the hook after a certain amount has been paid out.

2011 limit is set at 12.6 Billion that a company is liable for and any costs over that the gubment covers.

slvrbugjim
16th March 2011, 10:44 AM
Here is a letter from Greenpeace to the NCR regarding MOX fuel, and in particular the Fukushima plant:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/50775298/Greenpeace-Mox-Fuku

I find it interesting how they cite manual inspection of over 16,000 MOX pellets, and admonish the plant for not being up to par with safety standards.

This is from May, 2001.


Japan - Exploded Nuclear Plant Uses MOX Fuel - Not Uranium! What is that? (http://Japan - Exploded Nuclear Plant Uses MOX Fuel - Not Uranium! What is that?)

Report —

Today's Update (03/16/2011) On: Japan - Exploded Nuclear Plant Uses MOX Fuel - Not Uranium! What is it?

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-572063
By: Tony Altit



As of 3/16/11 9:20am est - I am completely Disgusted with the Governments and MSM for NOT talking about Reactor 3 and MOX Fuel! They cut people off who start to mention it! This is unacceptable! They are committing a crime against Humanity! By not informing people they are not just dealing with a Uranium Fallout but a Plutonium Fallout which Potassium Iodide Pills do no good against! I am IMPLORING the Media and the Governments of the World to Start informing all people about MOX Fuel Reactor 3! If the media does not start providing information about MOX fuel Reactor 3 which has been compromised then the many who die from not taking precautions for a plutonium/uranium mix fallout will be on their hands!

Ash_Williams
16th March 2011, 10:47 AM
I skimmed through real quick but article doesn't work 'cause he says the control rods would have stopped the reaction immediately after the earthquake and it's just residual heat they are dealing with and that should be gone in a period of days. Well it's been a few days.

keehah
16th March 2011, 11:21 AM
http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2011/03/march-15-2011-fukushima-fallout-files.html

Fear of radiation is likely to be widespread and extreme, however, as fear is a phenomenally 'catching' emotion, and that can have serious consequences of its own, especially under circumstances where social infrastructure is already overwhelmed. A perception of coverup would add significantly to this fear. It is therefore extremely important for the Japanese authorities to be consistently and completely forthcoming about the situation.

Frightened people are inherently suspicious that they are being kept in the dark to their own detriment, and TEPCO's former behaviour (falsification of safety records) has aggravated this natural reaction. Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan has today criticized the TEPCO utility company for not sharing information after he was not informed of one explosion for an hour after he had already seen it on television.

The risk is that the aftermath of the earthquake and tsunami could be substantially aggravated by the effects of the human herding behaviour we discuss so often here at The Automatic Earth in relation to financial markets (where we are already seeing the effects of fear in Japan).

Those who live closest to Fukushima are the most concerned. “Our feeling is the government is hiding some things, that the information is not fully transparent,” said Hiroko Okazaki, a 60-year-old housewife in Koriyama, the city closest to the crisis-stricken plant. “Even if some experts explain [that it is safe], they might not know the reality on the ground.”


PS: Here is the latest headline from Reuters: Tokyo Electric says may drop water by helicopter onto Daiichi No.4 spent-fuel cooling pond.

This is not going well. This reeks of desperation.
http://www.stockmarketweekly.com/newsletters/4740-crisis-far-from-over-for-japan/

Attempts to extinguish the burning spent fuel using water on Wednesday had to be cancelled after high radiation levels were detected above the nuclear reactors. A helicopter was meant to drop water from the top at on the smoldering spent fuel rods.

The excess radiation levels and the heating up of the spent fuel rods suggests that radiation is being leaked out of the spent rods. Earlier officials were worried that the reactor number 3’ critical containment unit was breached. The worries were sparked by a fire that was seen in reactor along with a surge in radiation levels on Wednesday morning.