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Serpo
17th March 2011, 04:48 PM
Libya crisis: Britain, France and US prepare for air strikes against GaddafiUN security council expected to pass resolution calling for states to protect Libyan civilians as Gaddafi threatens counterattack


Gaddafi loyalists in Libya. The Libyan defence ministry said it would target all air and maritime traffic in the Mediterranean in the event of foreign intervention. Photograph: Mohamed Messara/EPA

British, French and US military aircraft are preparing to defend the Libyan rebel stronghold of Benghazi after Washington said it was ready to support a no-fly zone and air strikes against Muammar Gaddafi's forces.

Jets could take off from French military bases if a no-fly zone is approved in a fresh United Nations security council resolution authorising "all necessary measures short of an occupation force" to protect civilians.

France, which has led the calls for a no-fly zone along with Britain, has offered the use of military bases on its Mediterranean coast about 750 miles from the Libyan coast. Several Arab countries would join the operation.

The finalising of military preparations came as Gaddafi's forces closed in on Benghazi and warned that they would target all maritime traffic in the Mediterranean if they are targeted by foreign forces. In a statement broadcast on Libyan television, the defence ministry said: "Any foreign military act against Libya will expose all air and maritime traffic in the Mediterranean sea to danger and civilian and military [facilities] will become targets of Libya's counterattack."

"The Mediterranean basin will face danger not just in the short-term, but also in the long-term."

Gaddafi has warned Libyan rebels that his forces will invade Benghazi and show no mercy to fighters who resisted them. "No more fear, no more hesitation, the moment of truth has come," the Libyan leader declared, as he warned Benghazi residents that soldiers would search every house in the city and people who had no arms had no reason to fear.

"There will be no mercy. Our troops will be coming to Benghazi tonight."

Residents and a rebel spokesman reported three air strikes on the outskirts of the city on Thursday, including at the airport, and another air raid further south. There was also heavy fighting in residential areas of nearby Ajdabiya, where around 30 people were killed, the TV station al-Arabiya reported.

The increase in Libyan rhetoric came as diplomats intensified their negotiations over a fresh UN security council resolution, tabled by Britain, France and Lebanon, to authorise a no-fly zone. The three countries need the support of a further six further members of the security council – and to avoid vetoes from Russia and China – to pass the resolution.

A security council source said the resolution would impose a no-fly zone over Libya but that was no longer enough. "The resolution authorises air strikes against tank columns advancing on Benghazi or engaging naval ships bombarding Benghazi," he said.

A source at UN headquarters in New York said military forces could be in action soon after a security council resolution calling for states to protect civilians by halting attacks by :oo-->'s forces by air, land and sea. Nato would have to meet after the vote to review the military planning that has already been completed.
You must act as though it is impossible to fail..... Ashanti Proverb

http://www.somaliaonline.com/community/showthread.php/53905-Breaking-News-The-Usual-Suspects-US-France-amp-Britian-to-bomb-Gaddafi-to-quot-save-the-people-quot

AndreaGail
17th March 2011, 05:51 PM
these recent events unfolding remind me of one of the first and most intriguing tidbits of information I read when I first started on gim


There are now only 5 nations on the world left without a Rothschild controlled central bank: Iran; North Korea; Sudan; Cuba; and Libya.

osoab
17th March 2011, 05:53 PM
UN Security Council Authorizes Libya No-Fly Zone: 10 For 5 Abstain 0 Against (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/un-security-council-authorizes-libya-no-fly-zone-10-5-abstain-0-against)


The vote by the UN Security Council to impose a no-fly zone on Libya and take "all necessary measures" to protect Libyan civilians from government-led attacks, has passed with a vote of 10 to 5. The vote "will also allow military intervention to enforce the ban, and calls to take "all necessary measures" to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack." The UN Security Council Resolution was backed by 10 countries, enough to pass, while 5 other countries - including Russia, China and Germany - chose to abstain. None voted against. Next up: CNN's ratings go through the roof as everyone picks up where they left off in the Gulf War with watching 1st person perspectives of bombing sorties taking out various Libyan targets. German planes however will be missing: Merkel's state refuses to participate at all in the bombing.

Libya Threatens Counerstrikes Against Civilians, Mediterranean Traffic If Attacked As UN Set To Vote On Air Strikes At 6 PM (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/libya-threatens-counerstrikes-against-civilians-mediterranean-traffic-if-attacked-un-set-vot)


Minutes after the United Nations announced it would vote on imposing the No Fly Zone (resolution text link) over Libya, which is probably merely a formality at this point with virtually no hold outs on the Security Council, Libya has immediately retaliated by saying that it such a decision would open counterstrikes by Libya against any "air and maritime traffic in the Mediterranean Sea" as well as "civilian and military facilities in the country." Whether this means that Gaddafi will promptly attack his oil infrastructure as Zero Hedge first suggested 3 weeks ago is unclear, but the Crude market is not taking any chances: Brent is now up almost $4 on the day having snapped its several day losing streak.


Who did Gaddafi piss off? There has to be a reason TPTB want him out. I haven't found a good reason yet.

ximmy
17th March 2011, 05:59 PM
Banksters sit around funding both sides of a faction, let them destroy the piss out of each other then lend both sides coin to rebuild and collect on interest...

"I haven't seen one mega-bank rescue anyone. I saw help from a lot of volunteers, firemen, rescue workers, doctors, nurses, etc. But not one bank. And that was true during snowstorms in North Dakota, the floods in New Orleans, and the earthquake in Haiti. Oddly, though the banks are sucking up enormous amounts of our budgetary resources, they don't own rescue helicopters, they don't track earthquakes, they don't study tsunamis, and they don't deal with radiation poisoning." ~Dylan Ratigan

http://dailybail.com/home/guest-post-from-dylan-ratigan-rescue-choppers-or-corporate-j.html

Ponce
17th March 2011, 06:03 PM
If the US were to keep their picking noses out of other countries maybe there could be peace.......but of course with the Zionist-Neocons "Jews" pushing from behind that will be imposible.

Libertarian_Guard
17th March 2011, 06:23 PM
Several of the ‘talking heads’ on the teevee are saying how Libya would be the third country in the region that America would currently be bombing, funny how none of them count predator drone strikes in Pakistan. It sounds like they are all reading off the same script.

Serpo
17th March 2011, 08:20 PM
Video on Gadaffy

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/03/17/libya.civil.war/index.html?hpt=T1

drafter
17th March 2011, 09:06 PM
Why all this interest in Libya's put down of dissent, but no UN mandates for bombing Egypt, Bahrain, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and on and on and on. There's hundrends more "oppressive regimes" than Libya but not a peep from the UN regarding those. It's all become one big joke. This crap has nothing to do with saving poor mistreated "civilians" and everything about expanding US/israeli control over the regen. Notice the other countries that are killing their civilians are all "friendly" to a certain pimple on the earth's ass (israel).

Libertarian_Guard
17th March 2011, 09:15 PM
TPTB have proved themselves as warmongering pigs, and the sheep that serve them have proven themselves as docile, brain-dead sheep. Now they’ll buy the rap about this being a humanitarian mission. They gobble up whatever is being fed to them at the trough (teevee).

G2Rad
17th March 2011, 09:30 PM
our right hand fights against Taliban
our left hand fights for Taliban
:dunno
go figure

Libertarian_Guard
17th March 2011, 10:07 PM
Incredible, since the announcement of airstrikes on Libya came after the U.S. markets closed, premarket indexes for the major averages are all up about 1%!

Wait till the bombs start falling, stocks could rally 2%!

Olmstein
17th March 2011, 10:18 PM
Great, another unnecessary, illegal, foreign war.

I'm no fan of the Gaddafi, but I say let the scary mooslems kill each other without US military assistance.

Libertarian_Guard
17th March 2011, 10:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOKK8mAkiUI

mick silver
17th March 2011, 11:07 PM
if this was to happen here in the usa would they have a no fly zone an stop our troops from killing us ?

Libertarian_Guard
17th March 2011, 11:12 PM
these recent events unfolding remind me of one of the first and most intriguing tidbits of information I read when I first started on gim


There are now only 5 nations on the world left without a Rothschild controlled central bank: Iran; North Korea; Sudan; Cuba; and Libya.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSiJbhoA8zw&feature=related

ximmy
17th March 2011, 11:23 PM
if this was to happen here in the usa would they have a no fly zone an stop our troops from killing us ?


Why isn't there a no fly zone over Gaza???

mick silver
17th March 2011, 11:26 PM
Libya: Five Reasons Not to Intervene

Posted By Justin Raimondo On March 15, 2011 @ 11:00 pm In Uncategorized | 36 Comments

As Moammar Gadhafi’s thugs move toward Benghazi, the rebel stronghold, and the provisional government calls for arms and other assistance from the West – principally the United States – we are told to put all doubts aside and simply respond to the alleged moral imperative of preventing a slaughter. This, intone the interventionists, is an “emergency,” which means: we must stop thinking, and respond emotionally to the call to “do something.”

There are several problems with this non-argument, the first being: how do we know the West isn’t already assisting the rebels? I would be very surprised if they aren’t. Libya has too much oil, and is too strategically placed on the Mediterranean shore, to be ignored by US policymakers. And they don’t always make their policy out in the open. Even as the Obama administration is being bombarded by busy-bodies the world over for its “inaction” on the Libyan front, there are reports Washington is acting through the Saudis, providing American military equipment to rebel forces. The British, whose “diplomatic” mission in the eastern half of the country was arrested and expelled, are almost certainly helping the rebels, and the French – who have already recognized the Benghazi rebel government – cannot be far behind.

In any event, even if Gadhafi succeeds in taking Benghazi – an unlikely scenario, because he doesn’t have the troops – the idea that he will have “won,” and can resume his reign of terror, is absurd. Some sort of “consent of the governed” is essential – yes, even in a dictatorship. The withdrawal of that consent is fatal to any regime – that was the lesson of 1989. Gadhafi can march his hired thugs up and down the streets of Libya’s cities all he likes, but actually ruling the country is quite a different matter. My guess is that he will soon be forced to withdraw from the east, and Libya will be divided – perhaps permanently – between Tripolitania and Cyrenaica. Both governments will claim to be the true and only legitimate representative of the Libyan “nation,” although, for all intents and purposes – as I explained in my last column – Libya as a unified country is finished.

Well, then – you ask – why not help the Libyans throw off the yoke of Gadhafi’s tyrannical rule?

I come up with five distinct albeit interrelated reasons (my readers are invited to add to the list in the comments below):

1) Because the moment we intervene, we’ll own what’s going on in Libya – just like we own Iraq. Neocons eager to acquire another Middle East colony are understandably eager to jump into the fray, but there’s less excuse for the centrist-to-leftish “humanitarian” interventionists, who argue in terms of our alleged moral obligation to prevent widespread bloodletting. I don’t hear these people calling for us to arm the rebels in Bahrain or Yemen, who are being murdered in large numbers as they protest peacefully.

2)Because we can’t afford it, either financially or militarily. The US government debt is currently at over $14 trillion, and we’re already in over our heads in Afghanistan and (still) Iraq. With military assets tied up in our other Middle Eastern colonies, where will we get the resources to police post-Gadhafi Libya? And don’t think we won’t have to: see above.

3) Because there are no half-measures in war. Those who protest they don’t want American boots on the ground don’t understand the logic of their own position. A “no fly” zone means an air war against Libyan military installations, and the provision of weaponry presupposes training the rebels to use those weapons effectively: US “advisors” are the next inevitable step.

4) Because we don’t know who we’re supporting. Everyone but the Latin American version of the Warsaw Pact and the Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist-Leninist) is against Gadhafi. Yet that doesn’t mean the rebels – or, rather, their leaders – are necessarily benign.

The present ideological configuration of the anti-Gadhafi movement seems to consist of three major factions: the Benghazi-based revolutionaries, essentially a separatist movement. Their main complaint, aside from being ruled over by a murderous and dangerously nutty dictator, is that oil resources have benefited the western part of the country, to the detriment of the east. The east, called Cyrenaica since ancient times, has always had an uneasy relationship with the cosmopolitan center in Tripoli. King Idris I, installed by the US and Great Britain (under cover of the UN), told he would be monarch of all Libya, bitterly complained that he just wanted to rule Cyrenaica, where he had held court under British protection since the end of World War II.

The other major factor in the opposition consists of defectors from the Libyan military, such as General Abdel-Fattah Younis, Gadhafi’s former Interior Minister, considered the No. 2 man in Libya prior to going over to the rebels. He likely has his own relationship with Washington, developed during the thaw in Washington’s relations with Tripoli. In any case, as a longtime supporter of the Daffy Despot, one can be sure he has plenty of blood on his hands.

A third factor is the Sanussi movement, which has its stronghold in the rural regions of the east. The Sanussi are a religious sect that derives much of its theology from Wahabist and Sufi influences, and all of its politics from a long history of opposing foreign invaders, from the Italians to the Brits. This group overlaps with the monarchists, who want to return the throne of Libya to either one of two current claimants.

A nearly insignificant faction, the National Front for the Salvation of Libya (NFSL), has long been run by the CIA. Oh, and don’t forget the various Islamic groups, as well as the shadowy al-Qaeda franchise. Here’s a comprehensive list of Libyan opposition groups – which ones do we support, and which ones are the Bad Guys? We cannot have the ability to know.

Which brings us to the long-awaited fifth reason for staying the heck out of an affair that’s none of our business:

5) Because actions have unintended consequences, and actions taken by governments are almost guaranteed to boomerang. This is particularly true in the foreign policy realm, where the physical and cultural distance between the generals and the field is much greater than it is at home, serving to reinforce the myopia of know-it-all government officials and “analysts” who, in reality, are just making it up as they go along. The result, as they put it in CIA slang, is “blowback,” the title of an excellent book on the subject by the late great Chalmers Johnson.

The delusion that the US government can effectively “manage” and even “plan” the domestic economy – or, indeed, any aspect of American life – is projected, by our Washington elites, onto the world stage. Yet it is no less of a delusion: indeed, it is a far greater and more dangerous misperception, on account of its sheer grandiosity – and potential to unleash deadly havoc.

Let Libya alone. Let the Europeans jockey for position and their fair share of the spoils. Indeed, neither the French nor the Brits need any prompting from us. No European leader can forget the fuel tax demonstrations that swept the continent in 2000, and David Cameron especially, who endorsed the protests at the time (and endorsed price controls as the solution). As fuel prices rise, and his government’s 70 percent take in the proceeds is deemed essential to pulling out of insolvency, he cannot afford a replay of British hauliers blocking roads. The Brits, after all, signed a security agreement with Gadhafi, and Tony Blair’s very public courtship of the Libyan dictator was as shameless as it was profitable.

NOTES IN THE MARGIN

I’ll be on Judge Andrew Napolitano’s Freedom Watch tonight (Wednesday), on the Fox Business Channel: check your local listings for details.

Read more by Justin Raimondo
•The Benghazi Bubble – March 17th, 2011
•‘Libya’ Does Not Exist – March 13th, 2011
•The Return of the Witch-Hunters – March 10th, 2011
•‘Paulites’ vs. ‘Palinites’ – March 8th, 2011
•Brits Bollix Benghazi Caper – March 6th, 2011

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Libertarian_Guard
18th March 2011, 12:54 AM
Several of the ‘talking heads’ on the teevee are saying how Libya would be the third country in the region that America would currently be bombing, funny how none of them count predator drone strikes in Pakistan. It sounds like they are all reading off the same script.



Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) -- Pakistani officials Friday condemned a recent suspected U.S. drone strike that killed up to 30 people in the country's remote tribal area.

Pakistan's prime minister and a military leader both released harsh statements about the Thursday attack.

The drone strike killed many civilians, Chief of Army Staff, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, said in a statement.

"It is highly regrettable that a jirga of peaceful citizens including elders of the area was carelessly and callously targeted with complete disregard to human life," the statement said. "Such aggression against people of Pakistan is unjustified and intolerable under any circumstances."

The nation's prime minister also condemned the drone attack in the Datta Khel area, adding that "it will only strengthen the hands of radical and extremists elements."

These types of attacks negatively impact the efforts to separate the militants from the peaceful and patriotic tribesmen of the area, Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani said in a statement.

Two intelligence officials said the drone fired two missiles on the jirga meeting in North Waziristan, one of the seven districts of Pakistan's volatile tribal region bordering Afghanistan.

One official said 30 died in the strike, while a second official said that 24 had died. There was no explanation for the discrepancy.

An additional 14 people were reported injured, including some civilians, the sources said.


http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/18/pakistan.drone.strike/#

Glass
18th March 2011, 01:25 AM
If you were Gaddafi what would you be the 1st thing you would do when you heard of the UN resolution and the knowledge that the French could strike within hours?

Neuro
18th March 2011, 05:46 AM
Probably the US will have a new Iraq on their hands in Libya, with years of civil war, car bombs, troop surges, and thousands of deaths...

DMac
18th March 2011, 06:44 AM
The war that wasn't....well just not yet.

Libya declares cease-fire after UN vote

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110318/ap_on_re_af/af_libya

Neuro
18th March 2011, 06:51 AM
The war that wasn't....well just not yet.

Libya declares cease-fire after UN vote

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110318/ap_on_re_af/af_libya
You have to admire Ghadaffi though for his fingerspitzgefühl. True powerplayer!

DMac
18th March 2011, 06:53 AM
The war that wasn't....well just not yet.

Libya declares cease-fire after UN vote

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110318/ap_on_re_af/af_libya
You have to admire Ghadaffi though for his fingerspitzgefühl. True powerplayer!


Agreed, I don't think they were expecting him to acquiesce so quickly. He's got to be biding his time to plan a more effective counter-attack or escape.

Glass
18th March 2011, 04:37 PM
I think this guy might be one of GSUS's favorite EU Politicians...... perhaps the only one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XHBMLil4JbI