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Serpo
25th March 2011, 08:05 PM
Surly if they want to tax on miles traveled isnt this basically the same as taxing the fuel at the pump.

As if fuel taxes and rising gas prices weren't causing enough pain at the pump, Democrats seeking to raise new revenues to support federal spending on highway maintenance are considering taxing motorists for the number of miles they drive.

The Congressional Budget Office lent credence to the idea in a detailed report released this week, saying that taxes on vehicle-miles traveled -- or VMT taxes -- would be a fair way to charge motorists for the real cost of using the nation's highways and would encourage more efficient use of the highways than fuel taxes.

"Judging from estimates of the costs of highway use, a system that charged for all such costs would have most if not all motorists paying substantially more than they do now -- perhaps several times more," the report said. "Such a system would maximize the efficiency of highway use by discouraging trips for which costs exceed benefits."

The report said VMT taxes "would create incentives for people to limit highway use to trips for which the benefits exceed the costs, thus reducing or eliminating overuse of highways and helping identify the economic value of investments in highways."

But the report also said challenges remain in trying to implement a system that included installing metering equipment in all of the nation's vehicles.


"Having the devices installed as original equipment under a mandate to vehicle manufacturers would be relatively inexpensive but could lead to a long transition; requiring vehicles to be retrofitted with the devices could be faster but much more costly, and the equipment could be more susceptible to tampering than factory-installed equipment might be."

Not everyone, however, supports VMT taxes.

"It's outrageous," said David Selig, a federal tax practitioner. "Right now because the economy of so many people who have to drive a long way to work for less money and now, because of this ridiculous proposal, they're actually going to bring home less money than ever before. Moreover, you have no reason to believe the government is actually going to use this money to repair the highways."

The CBO issued the report at the request of Sen. Kent Conrad, chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, who held a hearing on transportation funding earlier this month.

The Obama administration wants to spend $556 billion over the next six years, with $468 billion of that going to federal transportation improvement projects.

Conrad noted that the fuel tax won't be enough to cover the federal deficit in highway spending. By 2021, he said, the gap is projected to be $18 billion a year.

"We have a very big problem here to deal with and we know that the reality of trust fund financing is based on the gasoline tax," Conrad said. "The gasoline tax is more and more disconnected from the reality of modern transportation, with electric cars, with hybrids, with renewable fuels, with all of the rest that is happening to change the way we transit. We've got a big problem here between the need and the funding mechanism."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/25/uncle-sam-considers-taxing-motorists-miles-driven/#ixzz1Hfdeambq

Cobalt
25th March 2011, 08:48 PM
They push people into buying more efficient vehicles and then they say "Oh Shit, they aren't buying as much gas which means they aren't paying enough taxes"

Buddha
25th March 2011, 09:08 PM
They push people into buying more efficient vehicles and then they say "Oh shit, they aren't buying as much gas which means they aren't paying enough taxes"


And those same more expensive vehicles are sold usually with little or no down payment by companies that the fed gov owns. If I were evil and in power, I would do the same. Principle + interest for 5 or more years + sales tax, gas tax, mileage tax, and carbon tax.


Surly if they want to tax on miles traveled isnt this basically the same as taxing the fuel at the pump.

They could, but that is not intrusive enough. I would want to know how many miles you drove. I would require a yearly form, like the income tax demanding to know how far it is to go to work etc. If one is traveling excessively, I would deem them a hazard to others and the environment. "Hey, it's only 40 miles round trip to work and back, why have you driven so many miles? You are needlessly endangering the environment and others. An over mileage fee is required based on a per mile basis, and the board of revenue will currently evaluate the continuance of your driving privileges."

Glass
25th March 2011, 09:34 PM
Will any fuel excises be removed? It would make sense for it to be one or the other. Either a fuel excise which is user pays. Or a per mile rate which is also user pays. Seems the single most simple thing to do is to modify the excise rate to reflect the increase in fuel efficiency. This would take some words on paper and achieve the desired outcome of more re-venue to the govt. It would probably cost a few pennies per vehicle. It is quick to implement. None of the rollout problems they have raised.

Their solution requires a whole new industry. Hundreds if not thousands of additional cost to the purchase of a vehicle. A method is required to get the data out of the vehicle which is whole other industry again plus more cost. It is plain what the purpose of this is. It's an asset tracking system disguised as a taxation move. If you want to claim expenses you will need one of these. If you don't you could delay getting fitted for a while. They may do it under the cover of a recall. Speaking of which there have been a lot of millions of cars recalled in the last couple years.

As I have mentioned before the Australian government is deploying a nation wide RFID reading network at 4watts of power on the old analogue telephone frequency band. I think thats how it will be done. Onboard GPS for positioning and RFID for data uploads. Anyone have factory fitted Satnav?

Ponce
25th March 2011, 09:44 PM
You will still pay at the gas pump ..........and........you will have toll roads that has been bought by foreigners.......and.......you will pay for mile usage.

I am glad as hell that I am retired and don't travel that much.......I can only wonder if they are goin to put a mileage counter on my scooter........or my bicycle?..........I believe that in NY you now need a permit for a bike and also a plate.

In the future you will also pay for what they believe the ammount of mileage that you will get from a pair of shoes, and how about wheel chairs?, roller skates? one of those push a baby around?

Twisted Titan
26th March 2011, 04:02 AM
Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table
At which he’s fed.

Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.

Tax his work,
Tax his pay,
He works for peanuts
Anyway!

Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.

Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.

Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries
Tax his tears.

Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his ass.

Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won’t be done
Till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers;
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He’s good and sore.

Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he’s laid.

Put these words
Upon his tomb,
‘Taxes drove me
to my doom…’

When he’s gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.

mick silver
26th March 2011, 07:12 AM
gas is no longer for the working man . i have said this more the once . only the rich will be able to fly around in time

SLV^GLD
26th March 2011, 07:49 AM
http://gold-silver.us/forum/news-and-current-events/congressional-budget-office-considers-%27vehicle-mile-traveled-tax%27/msg204078/#msg204078

General of Darkness
26th March 2011, 07:54 AM
If they stopped spending on things that aren't in the interest of the people, they probably wouldn't need to tax us at all.

gunDriller
26th March 2011, 11:48 AM
OH MY GOD.

i saw an article about this recently, but it was at the state level.

personally, i recently got a lot more hands-on with Bio-diesel - i bought a diesel car ... etc.

if i grow my own vegetable oil and use it in my own car - and teach other people how to do the same - how will Uncle Shylock tax that ?