Radioactivity in water at reactor 2 has reached 10 million times the usual level

[Vendico]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12872707

On Drudge too

[Ponce]

On the second day of the disaster when they said that there was "only" 1,000 dead I predicted the number to be between 26,000 to 50,000........it is now 26,000 and with more to come.

[sunnyandseventy]

The US 7th Fleet is sending barges loaded with 500,000 gallons of fresh water.

They're sending this to pour on the reactors or so people have drinking water?

[gunDriller]

The US 7th Fleet is sending barges loaded with 500,000 gallons of fresh water.

They're sending this to pour on the reactors or so people have drinking water?


basically what's happening is that Japan's original Plan A and Plan B and maybe the planned Plan C backup systems all failed.

so now it is a live experiment.

they were using seawater to do the cooling, but the way they were using it caused corrosion. seawater is often used to cool nuclear plants - just not exploded post-tidal wave/earthquake nuclear power plants.

so the US is providing non-salt-water to do the cooling, for the power plant, i think. that will help for a day or 2.

in other words, they're making it up as they go along and it's spiralling further out of control.

i give it 1 1/2 weeks until they're honest enough to give it a "7", the same rating Chernobyl got on the Nuclear Disaster scale. (7 is the max, sort of like a 6 in ice-skating or a 10 in gymnastics or surfing. but with more radiation. )

i'm too lazy to look - anybody know how many reactors went out of control at Chernobyl ?

[Cobalt]

I just heard on the radio that the 10 Million times over normal figure cannot be trusted because the worker that took that reading didn't follow procedure and stick around and take a second reading. :conf:

Dumb ass reporters, I bet he would have stayed there and took a 2nd reading :oo-->

[Large Sarge]

they need to seal them all, start pumping huge amounts of boron and cement.

I got into an e-mail debate with a rather intelligent fellow, and I just closed with this.

"can you imagine anyone ever going to any of these facilities in the future, and actually working there?"

this is a staged demolition, like the gulf oil disaster....

drag it out as long as possible, poison as many as possible...

the mission should be close them all down, one at a time if need be.

this is all an act,

imagine 50 guys fighting the worst disaster in decades, almost comical.... tragic...

"fukushima fifty"

until you see them saying "we are closing, and sealing everything", well then the play is still ongoing, get some popcorn, and start counting dead bodies....

the rothschilds (and their ilk) are howling in glee at this whole fiasco...

How long until the japanese people wake up that their govt is controlled (like ours over 9/11, or the gulf oil disaster)???

[Antonio]

It took 1000s of Russians to entomb the one reactor and 650000 to clean up the radiation around it, the work to bury it started on the same day when it blew. Imagine how many it would take to bury 6 reactors and clean up the radiation which is sliding directly into the sea.

[Osaka]

Ponce - when they said there were only 1000 dead the first day or so, what they were saying was that there were 1000 confirmed dead, as in they have a body and an identification. The process of finding and identifying bodies took longer. However, good foresight in predicting the number of dead. I wouldn't have imagined that the number would have been so high.

I agree that the Japanese are basically experimenting in trying to cool these reactors. It would have probably been better to let US nuclear engineers direct the effort, because I think they are more knowledgeable than the Japanese, but I am told that the Japanese side didn't bother return the US sides (GEs) phone calls till day four. The use of the freshwater came after a reportedly "strong urgent offer" from the US side.

fukushima fifty - I read there are at least 600 people working on this, not 50. I think the "fukushima fifty" thing is some kind of viral facebook group or something.

10 Million times over - so they got this measurement, left immediately, reported it, then apologized for reporting it, because it cannot be correct. The obvious question is how do you know it is incorrect, since you didn't take a second measurement. Haven't found an answer to that one yet.

[Large Sarge]

Ponce - when they said there were only 1000 dead the first day, what they were saying was that there were 1000 confirmed dead, as in they have a body and an identification. The process of finding and identifying bodies took longer.

I agree that the Japanese are basically experimenting in trying to cool these reactors. It would have probably been better to let US nuclear engineers direct the effort, because I think they are more knowledgeable than the Japanese, but I am told that the Japanese side didn't bother return the US sides (GEs) phone calls till day four. The use of the freshwater came after a reportedly "strong urgent offer" from the US side.

fukushima fifty - I read there are at least 600 people working on this, not 50. I think the "fukushima fifty" thing is some kind of viral facebook group or something.

10 Million times over - so they got this measurement, left immediately, reported it, then apologized for reporting it, because it cannot be correct. The obvious question is how do you know it is incorrect, since you didn't take a second measurement. Haven't found an answer to that one yet.


Hey Osaka,

I think you are nearby, and appreciate any "local info" you can provide.

the fukushima fifty was on the national news here in the states....

and my premise stands, the mission objective should be shutdown and sealing these things

they should have about 10,000 cement trucks stationed right outside the gates (so to speak)

remember during the gulf oil disaster, they kept spraying corexit, and sinking the oil, and downplaying the "fissures oozing oil" from the ocean floor.

and their excuse was "we get fined by the govt on a per barrel basis"

of Course BP is tied directly to the rothschild clan, and profits are not really an issue for those folks...

I have no idea what Bullshit the japanese are telling their management teams, as to why we are not shutting all of these things down, but I am sure it will be entertaining when it comes out....

[Osaka]

Hey Osaka,

I think you are nearby, and appreciate any "local info" you can provide.

the fukushima fifty was on the national news here in the states....

and my premise stands, the mission objective should be shutdown and sealing these things

they should have about 10,000 cement trucks stationed right outside the gates (so to speak)

remember during the gulf oil disaster, they kept spraying corexit, and sinking the oil, and downplaying the "fissures oozing oil" from the ocean floor.

and their excuse was "we get fined by the govt on a per barrel basis"

of Course BP is tied directly to the rothschild clan, and profits are not really an issue for those folks...

I have no idea what Bullshit the japanese are telling their management teams, as to why we are not shutting all of these things down, but I am sure it will be entertaining when it comes out....




TEPCo delayed using seawater on the reactors because they didn't want to corrode the insides, in hopes of using them again. They eventually gave up on that idea.

Agreed, the 4 of the 6 that were active at the time are done for. Reactors 5 and 6 which were offline may be salvagable. The cement trucks seem unwise, though I am not a nuclear engineer. First, wouldnt you need to make sure the reactors were cool before you encased them in concrete. Concrete can develop cracks which would leak radioactivtity for years. Also, isn't it possible that nuclear reactive material would eventually melt through the concrete?

Local info? Well, Japan's kinda fucked, basically. GDP will be down significantly, I think, like 5 to 10% this year compared with last. Rolling blackouts in Tokyo for 4 to 6 weeks or longer, 3 years of clean up efforts in the reactor area. I'm not too sure they will rebuild the area that got wiped out in the tsunami. 15 years after the Kobe quake, there are still areas where houses stood that are now just parking lots. 1 in 7 homes in Japan is unoccupied, and the population is due to drop 30 per cent or so in the next 40 years. It seems a lot easier to just move the survivors than rebuild. It also seems like that is was the goverment is doing. Reports last night saying mayors of small towns held town meetings with the few hundred residents and asked them to all move together to a new location dozens of miles away, so they could keep their sense of community alive.

Here in Osaka, things are fine. Felt the initial quake, but never feel the aftershocks. Food, electricity and water all plentiful. Reportedly 30 to 60% of foreigners living in Tokyo have left the city. Anyone looking to meet a cute asian girl wanting to leave her country - Japan seems like the place to find them right now.

[Large Sarge]

Not a nuclear engineer, but from my understanding you dump boron on the reactors, stops the reactions (makes it inert)

then you seal it

please keep us posted on local info, prevailing attitudes, etc

do the japanese people feel like they are getting a 12 inch dildo up their a$$??? by their own govt telling lies...

as this thing draws out, all the lies become more apparent.....

[Antonio]

Anyone looking to meet a cute asian girl wanting to leave her country - Japan seems like the place to find them right now.


Yes, I thought so too. The tsunami is going to send lots of cute Japanese girls this way, wet and shiny in the dark...

[platinumdude]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_mk7T5MQxI&feature=player_embedded

[Olmstein]

10 million times. Is that a lot?

[platinumdude]

Anyone looking to meet a cute asian girl wanting to leave her country - Japan seems like the place to find them right now.


Is there a good website for that?

[Buddha]

10 million times. Is that a lot?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMHTK15Pik

[Serpo]

Anyone looking to meet a cute asian girl wanting to leave her country - Japan seems like the place to find them right now.


Is there a good website for that?


Yes and here it is ......nucd,asiangirls.com

[dys]

Thank you for this info. I find it interesting that 30-60% have left Tokyo. Has anyone noticed that often in disaster movies or books, people don't leave in the case of nuclear accident or strike? I always found it odd and doubted that it would be true in a real world situation.

dys





Hey Osaka,

I think you are nearby, and appreciate any "local info" you can provide.

the fukushima fifty was on the national news here in the states....

and my premise stands, the mission objective should be shutdown and sealing these things

they should have about 10,000 cement trucks stationed right outside the gates (so to speak)

remember during the gulf oil disaster, they kept spraying corexit, and sinking the oil, and downplaying the "fissures oozing oil" from the ocean floor.

and their excuse was "we get fined by the govt on a per barrel basis"

of Course BP is tied directly to the rothschild clan, and profits are not really an issue for those folks...

I have no idea what Bullshit the japanese are telling their management teams, as to why we are not shutting all of these things down, but I am sure it will be entertaining when it comes out....




TEPCo delayed using seawater on the reactors because they didn't want to corrode the insides, in hopes of using them again. They eventually gave up on that idea.

Agreed, the 4 of the 6 that were active at the time are done for. Reactors 5 and 6 which were offline may be salvagable. The cement trucks seem unwise, though I am not a nuclear engineer. First, wouldnt you need to make sure the reactors were cool before you encased them in concrete. Concrete can develop cracks which would leak radioactivtity for years. Also, isn't it possible that nuclear reactive material would eventually melt through the concrete?

Local info? Well, Japan's kinda fucked, basically. GDP will be down significantly, I think, like 5 to 10% this year compared with last. Rolling blackouts in Tokyo for 4 to 6 weeks or longer, 3 years of clean up efforts in the reactor area. I'm not too sure they will rebuild the area that got wiped out in the tsunami. 15 years after the Kobe quake, there are still areas where houses stood that are now just parking lots. 1 in 7 homes in Japan is unoccupied, and the population is due to drop 30 per cent or so in the next 40 years. It seems a lot easier to just move the survivors than rebuild. It also seems like that is was the goverment is doing. Reports last night saying mayors of small towns held town meetings with the few hundred residents and asked them to all move together to a new location dozens of miles away, so they could keep their sense of community alive.

Here in Osaka, things are fine. Felt the initial quake, but never feel the aftershocks. Food, electricity and water all plentiful. Reportedly 30 to 60% of foreigners living in Tokyo have left the city. Anyone looking to meet a cute asian girl wanting to leave her country - Japan seems like the place to find them right now.

[Osaka]

do the japanese people feel like they are getting a 12 inch dildo up their a$$??? by their own govt telling lies...

Good question. Basically, yes. People feel lied to. There was little trust of TEPCo even before this, based on previous incidents. Most of that trust is gone now, based on TEPCo's bumbling press conferences.

At the same time, there is a feeling of "there is nothing you can do about it" or "shou ga nai". Japan is heavily dependent on nuclear generated electricity. There really isn't anyone I've seen either on the news or in person who is really pissed off about it. People overall, seem to be persevering.

[Twisted Titan]

How far is Tokyo from fukashima???

[gunDriller]

do the japanese people feel like they are getting a 12 inch dildo up their a$$??? by their own govt telling lies...

Good question. Basically, yes. People feel lied to. There was little trust of TEPCo even before this, based on previous incidents. Most of that trust is gone now, based on TEPCo's bumbling press conferences.

At the same time, there is a feeling of "there is nothing you can do about it" or "shou ga nai". Japan is heavily dependent on nuclear generated electricity. There really isn't anyone I've seen either on the news or in person who is really pissed off about it. People overall, seem to be persevering.


that does sound familiar.

and we're coming up on April 20 -

* the one year anniversary of the BP Oil Disaster. BP made TEPCo look obsessively honest.