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Ponce
28th March 2011, 07:49 AM
When Silver Investors Finally Wise Up.

It's over for the Paper Metals Market Manipulators.

March 25, 2011
Steve Quayle

The great disconnect in the minds of paper silver investors is soon to come to a screeching halt when the spot market begins to trade independent of the manipulated paper futures market. Today being the 25th of March, it should come as no surprise that the Chicago Mercantile Exchange (CME) has hiked silver margin and maintenance costs again to try and stop the surge in silver speculation.

Tyler Durden writing for Zero Hedge yesterday posted, "In tried and true fashion just as silver was about to viciously destabilize the global capital markets as it surged to new 31 year highs the CME stepped in and did its usual 3-6 half life intervention by hiking initial and maintenance margins on silver futures from $11,138 and $8,250 to $11,745 and $8,700 respectively.

This is merely the latest margin hike in what appears to be a never-ending series designed to reduce speculative "fervor" courtesy of endless liquidity. What it will do is merely provide a better entry point for those who by now realize that silver's next stop in the fiat endgame is $40 then $50 and so forth. Naturally the price drop in silver caused gold to sell off too. And now that the CME accepts gold as collateral we can't even visualize the reflexive loops that develop once the metal that is also a collateral currency becomes more and less valuable at the same time.

And while they are at it the CME decided to remove some of the uranium volatility by hiking maintenance and initial margins in Uranium Futures (UX) by about 50%". What this simply means is that they know better then anyone that the silver and gold investors who read the handwriting on the wall and are standing to convert their paper profits by taking physical delivery of their precious metals must be stopped at all costs....... ("If you don't hold it, you don't own it"... Ponce)

Ten years ago I stated that the Spot Market in precious metals would completely diverge from the futures market prior to full scale panic acquisition of the physicals due to the death of the dollar. We are now there.

Over 3 decades of buying and selling precious metals has taught me that the supply side of the equation has been taken for granted for far too long. I have dealt with one of the worlds largest bullion dealers and market makers for over 30 years, which has put me in touch with "those in the know".

the experts who have only recently gotten on the band wagon over the" last few years" and have missed the 10 fold price in silver, by mocking gold and silver over the last 3 decades are going to have their you know what's handed to them on a "silver platter". The mainstream hyenas and jackals (financial press) pushing their illusionary world of "make believe assets" are going down with the ship --still choosing to avoid the life preservers thrown to them in the way of silver and gold.

The day will come and may be only months away when the actual cost of acquiring any precious metal will be at least twice the official spot price and when that day comes there will be very little metal available. Remember price is important but availability and delivery are everything.

http://stevequayle.com/News.alert/11_Global/110325.alert.Steve.silver.html

chad
28th March 2011, 07:53 AM
The day will come and may be only months away when the actual cost of acquiring any precious metal will be at least twice the official spot price

like this will ever happen. the spot price isn't going to be $300 but an ounce "will really cost you $600." :oo--> the whole thing will blow up and go nuclear long before that ever happens. i don't doubt physical will not be available, etc. but there's not going to be some magical 100% divergence.

he should stick to giants and passing along world war 3 info from HAWK.

Twisted Titan
28th March 2011, 07:59 AM
Remember price is important but availability and delivery are everything.


Quoted For Truth.........

Ponce
28th March 2011, 08:18 AM
Chad? right now the want $7.00 over spot per oz of silver.

gunDriller
28th March 2011, 08:26 AM
it's not over quite yet, but it is drawing to a close.

the world stock markets can not ignore reality forever. nor can they sport historically high P/E ratios forever.

the next down leg is upon us, comparable to the second down leg in the 1930's which was the real crusher (of course, back then there was still a tie between the US $ and gold.)

when that down leg hits, the manipulators will be "on it" - taking full advantage to drive the dollar index up, and PM's down.

in the long run they obviously will not succeed ... in the short run, it is reasonable to expect extreme volatility and some buying opportunities in commodities.

also affecting matters is the situation with foreign currencies. it's hard to keep track of which Euro nations are on the ropes & are having their bonds downgraded to Junk (not to be confused with Junk Silver).

Euro panic mania tends to drive people towards perceived safety trades such as gold & the US $ - if only for a few days, in the case of the US $.

chad
28th March 2011, 10:00 AM
Chad? right now the want $7.00 over spot per oz of silver.


Huh? I just bought a ntr metals 10 ounce bar this morning for $1 over spot.

Ponce
28th March 2011, 11:52 AM
I know, saw it on the other thread..........stop bragging..........be humble like who never says how much silver he has hehehehehehehehehehhe.

gunDriller
28th March 2011, 01:51 PM
I know, saw it on the other thread..........stop bragging..........be humble like who never says how much silver he has hehehehehehehehehehhe.


well, i do have some gold crowns on my teeth. that's about the extent of it.

Ponce
28th March 2011, 01:57 PM
Gun? are you Jewish?.........I would like to make their bed time stories bigger.

beefsteak
28th March 2011, 02:17 PM
Chad? right now the want $7.00 over spot per oz of silver.


Huh? I just bought a ntr metals 10 ounce bar this morning for $1 over spot.


Chad,
since I never heard of NTR 10 oz bar before, I googled. Did you think to weigh it before leaving the dealer who had such a great deal on this bar?


Putative nationwide class action filed against NTR Metals, LLC in the U.S. District Court for the
Northern District of Illinois, alleging violations of 50 states' and the District of Columbia's
consumer protection statutes . Plaintiffs allege that they purchased precious metals from the
defendant for refinement and sale, but received less than fair market value due to the defendant's
unreliable testing methods , which were misrepresented to the plaintiffs. (Ashland Jewelers, Inc., et
al. v. NTR Metals, LLC, No. 1:1 Ocv4690 (N.D. Ill. complaint filed July 27, 2010)).

and a forum with both pros and cons posts which reference the above lawsuit:

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=42&threadid=786082

Hope yours tests out okay and you truly got a bargain as a buyer not a scrap metals seller!

beefsteak

chad
28th March 2011, 02:38 PM
eh? i don't know, i have bought tons of ntr metals bars the last few years. never thought about it. he was selling them all for the same $1, i just picked an ntr one. now i have to go look at that...

StreetsOfGold
28th March 2011, 05:10 PM
Chad? right now the want $7.00 over spot per oz of silver.


Huh? I just bought a ntr metals 10 ounce bar this morning for $1 over spot.


Chad,
since I never heard of NTR 10 oz bar before, I googled. Did you think to weigh it before leaving the dealer who had such a great deal on this bar?


Putative nationwide class action filed against NTR Metals, LLC in the U.S. District Court for the
Northern District of Illinois, alleging violations of 50 states' and the District of Columbia's
consumer protection statutes . Plaintiffs allege that they purchased precious metals from the
defendant for refinement and sale, but received less than fair market value due to the defendant's
unreliable testing methods , which were misrepresented to the plaintiffs. (Ashland Jewelers, Inc., et
al. v. NTR Metals, LLC, No. 1:1 Ocv4690 (N.D. Ill. complaint filed July 27, 2010)).

and a forum with both pros and cons posts which reference the above lawsuit:

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=42&threadid=786082

Hope yours tests out okay and you truly got a bargain as a buyer not a scrap metals seller!

beefsteak


I got 50 of those NTR 10 ounce bars from Apmex, not bragging, just saying Apmex backed them up

Trinity
28th March 2011, 05:27 PM
Chad? right now the want $7.00 over spot per oz of silver.


I'm offering up my Silver for 5 bucks over spot. Or I just might throw it out.

Ponce
28th March 2011, 05:32 PM
Well Trinity.......all the silver that I bought in 1972 (and sold in Jan of 1980) and the ones from 1982-2002 I never paid more than .50 cents over spot........never lower and never higher.

1970 silver art
28th March 2011, 05:39 PM
Chad? right now the want $7.00 over spot per oz of silver.


I'm offering up my Silver for 5 bucks over spot. Or I just might throw it out.


Hey Trinity, if you make a final decision to "throw away" your silver, then you can throw it in a dumpster that is near my residence. Once you throw it in that dumpster, then I can come by later to clean up and pick up the "trash". ;D

gunDriller
28th March 2011, 06:16 PM
Gun? are you Jewish?.........I would like to make their bed time stories bigger.


what ? whose bed time stories ?

>> well, i do have some gold crowns on my teeth. that's about the extent of it.

how do gold crowns relate to Jewishness & bed time stories ?

please explain the inner workings of the Ponce-ian mind. ;D

Trinity
28th March 2011, 06:20 PM
Chad? right now the want $7.00 over spot per oz of silver.


I'm offering up my Silver for 5 bucks over spot. Or I just might throw it out.


Hey Trinity, if you make a final decision to "throw away" your silver, then you can throw it in a dumpster that is near my residence. Once you throw it in that dumpster, then I can come by later to clean up and pick up the "trash". ;D



ok.

Ponce
28th March 2011, 06:26 PM
Gun? are you Jewish?.........I would like to make their bed time stories bigger.


what ? whose bed time stories ?

>> well, i do have some gold crowns on my teeth. that's about the extent of it.

how do gold crowns relate to Jewishness & bed time stories ?

please explain the inner workings of the Ponce-ian mind. ;D


Well amigo, you know funny stories as to how SIX MILLION Zionist (Jews) die in WWII and how their golden teeth were pulled out and then melted into ingots and sent to......... Swisland?..........be afraid, very very afraid......yours would go to Cuba hahahahahahah.

gunDriller
29th March 2011, 05:06 AM
Gun? are you Jewish?.........I would like to make their bed time stories bigger.


what ? whose bed time stories ?

>> well, i do have some gold crowns on my teeth. that's about the extent of it.

how do gold crowns relate to Jewishness & bed time stories ?

please explain the inner workings of the Ponce-ian mind. ;D


Well amigo, you know funny stories as to how SIX MILLION Zionist (Jews) die in WWII and how their golden teeth were pulled out and then melted into ingots and sent to......... Swisland?..........be afraid, very very afraid......yours would go to Cuba hahahahahahah.


check out "Adolf Hitler, Founder of Israel".

WW2 Germany was a time of settling old scores, within the Jewish community. it was sort of like the way Muslims have Shia-whatever rivalries, that result in civil wars, or wars between countries.

in WW2 Germany, the Western European Jews had more money, and looked down on the Ashkenazi Jews. Many of the Western European Jews did not want to emigrate to Palestine, for the Ashkenazi Jews going to the desert next to the Mediterranean was more appealing because they were poor anyway - and they got settlement money just for going there.

so basically WW2 Germany was absolute chaos. as far as i can tell, a lot of the teeth stealing was actually done by Jewish people just scrounging among the dead bodies for valuables. so some of that gold ended up in Israel, some would have gone to the US ... and, Oh My God, some may have ended up in my own Gold Crowns.

oh well, i always did believe in recycling ;D

P.S. let's recycle Avigdor Lieberman

http://news.antiwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/lieberman.jpg

he's the psychopath that's pushing Israel's new "Loyalty Oath" Law - which just passed into law.

http://news.antiwar.com/2011/03/28/israels-controversial-citizenship-act-passes/

"Though the bill was sold primarily as allowing the government to revoke citizenship from “terrorists” it also allowed revocation for acts of espionage or “acts harming Israel’s sovereignty,” a catchall phrase which has many concerned."


oh my. we have gotten off-topic, haven't we ?!