this will be my next canoe

[freespirit]

i've been researching canoes since last summer to try to find one that would be highly portable, light weight and versatile, and since i don't want to spend over $3000 for a kevlar or royal-x, i've decided that by the end of this canoe season, i will purchase one of these collapsible canoes from ALLY. they are very light, very durable, and collapse to the size of a large back pack. comes with a skirt kit, repair kits are available, as well as lots of other goodies...

check 'em out....

http://www.allycanoes.com/

[mightymanx]

Wow they are still very pricey to me For $1600 to start I think I will stick to my old aluminum standby nad just get stronger muscles on long portages.

[po boy]

Pretty cool but check this out ;D
www.hobiecat.com/videos/816/ (http://www.hobiecat.com/videos/816/)

[freespirit]

Wow they are still very pricey to me For $1600 to start I think I will stick to my old aluminum standby nad just get stronger muscles on long portages.




some of the things i like most about it is, it can be transported in the trunk of the car, and stored in a closet or small shed. my 16' fiberglass hogs alot of space in the yard and is a pain in the ass to tie onto my vehicle.

[freespirit]

Pretty cool but check this out ;D
www.hobiecat.com/videos/816/ (http://www.hobiecat.com/videos/816/)


6lb batteries?? no thanks.

weight is everything on an extended canoe trip. nice looking boat, but looks heavy.

[Libertarian_Guard]

Indian River has good 'cheap' canoes.

http://www.indianrivercanoemfg.com/

[Glass]

not a canoe but I saw one of these at a camping show a couple weeks ago.
http://www.porta-bote.com/images/holdboat.jpg

http://www.porta-bote.com/images/fishing%20man-woman.jpg

They aren't an ocean going craft but ok on a river or lake. Made out of some kind of vinyl or something I think. Like a siding type material. Link .... (http://www.porta-bote.com/index.html)

[saint]

It seems like a decent flatwater boat, but I'm not sure how it will do in whitewater.

I tried out a collapsible years ago and I wasn't impressed - it is interesting to see how far they have come.If you are going to be doing any whitewater - bracing on the aluminum poles is going to be tough on the knees.

I spent a few summers working as an expedition guide in my early twenties I have paddled (kayak and canoe) all types of boats. My first choice in a tripping boat is an Old Town Royalex. They are light, tough as hell and slide nicely over rocks with enough keel to do well in long flatwater crossings, even in the wind. I recently saw a good used one go for 800 frns.

My second choice is a Grumman aluminum. Aluminum sticks to rocks (especially when loaded) but can sure take a beating. We winched one that got caught in a hydraulic, beat it back into shape with rocks and duct taped the popped rivets and the boat finished the trip. They weigh about 80 pounds making portages an effort. You can pick one up used for 400-500 frns.

Best of luck whatever yo chose - post some photos and a review if you get a chance.


ST

[freespirit]

Indian River has good 'cheap' canoes.

http://www.indianrivercanoemfg.com/







sorry but 65 or 70 lbs is too heavy, a 16.5' Ally canoe weighs 44lbs, that's a big difference. also those indian river canoes do not collapse either.

my paddling buddy just bought a 16' kevlar, it weighs 39 lbs, but cost more than the ally one, and again, doesn't collapse.

[freespirit]

not a canoe but I saw one of these at a camping show a couple weeks ago.
http://www.porta-bote.com/images/holdboat.jpg

http://www.porta-bote.com/images/fishing%20man-woman.jpg

They aren't an ocean going craft but ok on a river or lake. Made out of some kind of vinyl or something I think. Like a siding type material. Link .... (http://www.porta-bote.com/index.html)


i've seen these at outdoor shows as well, they are pretty neat, and don't require a trailer to transport.

[Cobalt]

Weight is always a factor if you are going to portage and that is the only downside of my Easy Rider which weighs in at 66 lbs. but I got my moneys worth out of it since I bought one 25 years ago, the factory isn't too far from me and I picked up a factory blemish due to a rough spot under the seat.
I have a Minn Kota 35 with a maximizer speed controller I throw on it and it makes a perfect trout rig.

http://www.easyriderkayaks.com/ouzel15-8.htm

[freespirit]

It seems like a decent flatwater boat, but I'm not sure how it will do in whitewater.

I tried out a collapsible years ago and I wasn't impressed - it is interesting to see how far they have come.If you are going to be doing any whitewater - bracing on the aluminum poles is going to be tough on the knees.

I spent a few summers working as an expedition guide in my early twenties I have paddled (kayak and canoe) all types of boats. My first choice in a tripping boat is an Old Town Royalex. They are light, tough as hell and slide nicely over rocks with enough keel to do well in long flatwater crossings, even in the wind. I recently saw a good used one go for 800 frns.

My second choice is a Grumman aluminum. Aluminum sticks to rocks (especially when loaded) but can sure take a beating. We winched one that got caught in a hydraulic, beat it back into shape with rocks and duct taped the popped rivets and the boat finished the trip. They weigh about 80 pounds making portages an effort. You can pick one up used for 400-500 frns.

Best of luck whatever yo chose - post some photos and a review if you get a chance.


ST





ally has two models, one is for white water, one for flat water (check their pics on the site).

royalex are very durable, but they are only light when used on shorter trips. a friend used one on a 42 day trip on the wanisk river (sp?) and said it soaked up alot of water and became quite heavy after awhile...

[freespirit]

judging from this, it would seem they can handle white water fairly well....

i guess i'll know in a year..lol
;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1pMkZer1ng

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

I've only ever used an inflatible kayak. Works a treat.

Your suggestions look quite alluring, however.

[freespirit]

i ordered the catalog awhile ago, last fall i think, and it seems like a really well thought out design from start to finish..even the pack frame that carries it folded up has clips on the top of the frame to connect to the canoe (assembled) for easy portaging. lash your pack to the frame, clip the canoe on top, and off ya go...outriggers also available for added stability, skirt kit included in the price. for what you get and what you can do with it, ti me it would be the best value for the money.

from what i've seen in other videos, it takes anywhere from 20-35 minutes to set the canoe up...but i bet i could do it faster than that after a few trips.

[skid]

If you're worried about weight, don't get a Scanoe!. They are so friggen heavy you can't carry them by yourself. I had my wife try to lift the front portion of the scanoe onto the rack on the cab of my truck while I put the rear on the stand on the back of my truck. She couldn't quite lift it on top of the rack and she let it go and it slid down the side of my brand new truck leaving a very nice deep scratch in the paint. >:(

[freespirit]

Indian River has good 'cheap' canoes.

http://www.indianrivercanoemfg.com/







sorry but 65 or 70 lbs is too heavy, a 16.5' Ally canoe weighs 44lbs, that's a big difference. also those indian river canoes do not collapse either.

my paddling buddy just bought a 16' kevlar, it weighs 39 lbs, but cost more than the ally one, and again, doesn't collapse.



...my buddy picked up his new canoe today, he sent me a few pics, but the files are too large, and i can't figure out how to shrink them on my mac (still figuring this thing out, lol) but we're taking it on it's maiden voyage next weekend, i'll get some pics with my cell so they'll be small enough to post...unless someone can tell me how to compress the ones i have?

http://www.swiftcanoe.com/

[Awoke]

Sea Eagle makes some light weight dinghies and kayaks that are inflatable.

http://www.seaeagle.com/productImages/BoatPackage/Setup400/SE8K_ST.jpg

$299, 12kg hull only, 21kg with floorboards and motormount




http://www.seaeagle.com/productImages/BoatPackage/Setup400/SE330K_P.jpg

$234, 12kg


http://www.seaeagle.com

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

http://www.seaeagle.com/productImages/BoatPackage/Setup400/SE330K_P.jpg

The above type is what I used when I rafted the kern river in california. I went down the kern about 8 or 10 times in a boat like that. Half those trips were with another person in the 2nd seat (really helps with power to row) and the other half were alone. I fell out a few times - got back in and did it some more.


What a fantastic experience that was.


Here's what I row on, now.

I'm up to 5k every morning. Back when I did the Kern River, I was doing 11k/day.

http://www.muskokafitness.com/wp-content/uploads/cardio3_big1.jpg

[milehi]

My neighbor is selling this for $150. It's plastic with a aluminum frame, 18 feet long and seats four. I'm thinking of buying it but already have a boat that sits.

[Celtic Rogue]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wwgXxAjQedA/TQEKUmSt-WI/AAAAAAAAGj8/OuEdOjw2i1s/s1600/Canoe%2BCologne.jpg

[freespirit]

My neighbor is selling this for $150. It's plastic with a aluminum frame, 18 feet long and seats four. I'm thinking of buying it but already have a boat that sits.


that is an excellent price for that type of canoe...they typically weigh around 72-76lbs, but if the condition is good, you could almost double your money on that, no problem.

i say buy it, then resell on kijijii or similar

[bellevuebully]

My neighbor is selling this for $150. It's plastic with a aluminum frame, 18 feet long and seats four. I'm thinking of buying it but already have a boat that sits.


that is an excellent price for that type of canoe...they typically weigh around 72-76lbs, but if the condition is good, you could almost double your money on that, no problem.

i say buy it, then resell on kijijii or similar


Ya that is cheap for that canoe. Say what one wants about that type of canoe, but they certainly have an application. They are perfect for shooting rocky rapids on Canadian Sheild rivers. You can bounce them off the rocks all day long. Practically indestructable. When Coleman first came out with these, I remember their promo...they took the aluminium support out of the midline and dropped a steel ball on the bottom of the canoe (canoe turned upside down). For river run'n, I'd take one of these over alum any time.

Like you said though freespirit, not good for bushwacking long distances. But also in that respect, you can carry anything for distance if the ground is relatively flat and you set up a good yolk. When we used these canoes we tied the paddles from the seat tubing to the centre crosspiece as a yolk and wrapped the paddle with the lifejackets or blue foam ground-roll. They balanced up pretty well. The biggest trick was keeping the blackflies out of your nose, lol.

Putting weight into perspective, were you aware that the voyageurs packed goods into a "90 lb pack"....that was the actual terminology. Each man was expected to carry 2 packs (180 lbs for the math inept), one shouldered around his back and one set on top strapped to his forehead. Not only were they packing that weight, the pace expected was a light jog-trot. Not walking. Ouch. So quit yer blubber'n, hahaha ;D. Tripping with those loads almost certainly meant serious injury and sometimes death. In the event of a fall, the top pack was thrown off by releasing the forhead strap by tipping back the head. Unfortunately, the pack would be thrown off, but likely so would you as a worker if it happened too often. Tough life, to say the least.

Good luck on your canoe purchase.

[milehi]

My neighbor is selling this for $150. It's plastic with a aluminum frame, 18 feet long and seats four. I'm thinking of buying it but already have a boat that sits.


that is an excellent price for that type of canoe...they typically weigh around 72-76lbs, but if the condition is good, you could almost double your money on that, no problem.

i say buy it, then resell on kijijii or similar


I pick it up tomorrow. At least I can't get a speeding ticket in it. HaHa.

[bellevuebully]

My neighbor is selling this for $150. It's plastic with a aluminum frame, 18 feet long and seats four. I'm thinking of buying it but already have a boat that sits.


that is an excellent price for that type of canoe...they typically weigh around 72-76lbs, but if the condition is good, you could almost double your money on that, no problem.

i say buy it, then resell on kijijii or similar


I pick it up tomorrow. At least I can't get a speeding ticket in it. HaHa.


Yes, they are bathtubs.

[Libertytree]

not a canoe but I saw one of these at a camping show a couple weeks ago.
http://www.porta-bote.com/images/holdboat.jpg

http://www.porta-bote.com/images/fishing%20man-woman.jpg

They aren't an ocean going craft but ok on a river or lake. Made out of some kind of vinyl or something I think. Like a siding type material. Link .... (http://www.porta-bote.com/index.html)


I owned one of these, a 15 footer. Very well built and it rode rough chop pretty good out in the bay and the mangroves with a 6 horse motor. It paddled well too but it isn't a canoe by any means. The 15 is pretty heavy and awkward even with the trailer accessory but not impossible. It'd be a great lil lake boat though with the motor.