So... what's the deal with Japan?

[sirgonzo420]

I guess they're just letting their reactors uh.... react?

Just wingin' it?


I've noticed this has seemingly fallen out of the news, which to me means either they've fixed it (which I kinda doubt), or they just don't want to say anything about it because the situation is worse than they'd like to admit and we're all gonna fuckin' die.


Should I start a poll?


???

lol

[MNeagle]

Japan nuclear safety agency: Government must consider expanding evacuation zone around Fukushima plant - Reuters



Radioactivity in seawater near Fukushima nuke plant 4,385 times more than legal limit - Kyodo

http://www.breakingnews.com/


The news is still out there trickling in, just doesn't jump to MSM as much lately. I noticed on Yahoo homepage they pulled their Japan donation banner too. Seemed like the Haiti banner was up for MONTHS & months....

[sirgonzo420]

Japan nuclear safety agency: Government must consider expanding evacuation zone around Fukushima plant - Reuters



Radioactivity in seawater near Fukushima nuke plant 4,385 times more than legal limit - Kyodo

http://www.breakingnews.com/


The news is still out there trickling in, just doesn't jump to MSM as much lately. I noticed on Yahoo homepage they pulled their Japan donation banner too. Seemed like the Haiti banner was up for MONTHS & months....


It's kinda funny that the US gov't seems interested in everything in the world, like the domestic affairs of Libya... meanwhile Japanese radioactive waste contaminates American milk and mum's the word.

What could anybody do anyway?


In my admittedly naive conception of how to fix nuclear meltdowns, I visualize making a MOUNTAIN over top of the entire area of the plant to keep as much radioactive material out of the atmosphere as possible.

[MNeagle]

Informing us would be a good start...

[sirgonzo420]

Informing us would be a good start...


I think we'll start popping second and third heads out of our bodies before they'd inform us of anything.

[Buddha]

How can you be so selfish Sir? Liz Taylor died a couple of weeks ago for Christ's sake.

[cortez]

http://enenews.com/radioactive-iodine-131-in-pennsylvania-rainwater-sample-3300-above-federal-drinking-water-standard

[sirgonzo420]

http://enenews.com/radioactive-iodine-131-in-pennsylvania-rainwater-sample-3300-above-federal-drinking-water-standard


holy

fucking

shit

[Cebu_4_2]

Yeah but isn't PA where one of our plants nuked? Perhaps just now checking it? Blame it on the HAARP Japan nukes instead.

[Cobalt]

I suspect the MSM news stopped when the media guys used up all the words thesaurus gave them for "safe"

[Antonio]

I understand that Japs have to lie. Russians also had to lie but while they lied they worked like nobody had worked before or since.
I don`t see Japs working for real.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article27229.html

Is Fukushima About To Blow?
Politics / Environmental Issues
Mar 29, 2011 - 05:23 AM

By: Mike_Whitney


Conditions at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant are deteriorating and the doomsday scenario is beginning to unfold. On Sunday, Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) officials reported that the levels of radiation leaking into seawater at the Unit 2 reactor were 100,000 times above normal, and the airborne radiation measured 4-times higher than government limits. As a result, emergency workers were evacuated from the plant and rushed to safe location. The prospect of a full-core meltdown or an environmental catastrophe of incalculable magnitude now looms larger than ever. The crisis is getting worse.



If spent fuel rods catch fire from lack of coolant, the intense heat will lift radiation plumes high into the atmosphere that will drift around the world. That's the nightmare scenario, clouds of radioactive material showering the planet with lethal toxins for months on end. And, according to the Central Institute for Meteorology and Geodynamics of Vienna, that deadly process has already begun. The group told New Scientist that:

"Japan's damaged nuclear plant in Fukushima has been emitting radioactive iodine and caesium at levels approaching those seen in the aftermath of the Chernobyl accident in 1986. Austrian researchers have used a worldwide network of radiation detectors – designed to spot clandestine nuclear bomb tests – to show that iodine-131 is being released at daily levels 73 per cent of those seen after the 1986 disaster. The daily amount of caesium-137 released from Fukushima Daiichi is around 60 per cent of the amount released from Chernobyl. ("New Scientist", March 24 ---thanks to Michael Collins "They said it wasn't like Chernobyl and they were wrong")

So, volatile radioactive elements are already being lofted into the jet stream and spread across continents. What's different here is that the quantities are much larger than they were at Chernobyl, thus, the dangers are far greater. According to the same group of scientists "the Fukushima plant has around 1760 tonnes of fresh and used nuclear fuel on site" (while) "the Chernobyl reactor had only 180 tonnes." The troubles at one nuclear facility now pose a direct threat to humans and other species everywhere. Is this what Obama meant when he called nuclear power, "Safe and green?"

This from CNN:

"Authorities in Japan raised the prospect Friday of a likely breach in the all-important containment vessel of the No. 3 reactor at the stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, a potentially ominous development in the race to prevent a large-scale release of radiation."

And this from the New York Times:

"A senior nuclear executive who insisted on anonymity but has broad contacts in Japan said that there was a long vertical crack running down the side of the reactor vessel itself. The crack runs down below the water level in the reactor and has been leaking fluids and gases, he said....

“There is a definite, definite crack in the vessel — it’s up and down and it’s large,” he said. “The problem with cracks is they do not get smaller.” (Thanks to Washington's Blog)

The media has switched into full "BP Oil Spill-mode", making every effort to minimize the disaster and to soothe the public with half-truths and disinformation. The goal is to conceal the scale of the catastrophe and protect the nuclear industry. It's another case of profits over people. Still, the truth is available for those who are willing to sift through the lies. Radiation has turned up in the Tokyo water supply, imports of milk, vegetable and fruit from four prefectures in the vicinity of Fukushima have been banned, and the evacuation zone around the plant has widened to an 18 mile radius.

Also, monitors have detected tiny radioactive particles which have spread from the reactor site across the Pacific to North America, the Atlantic and Europe...According to Reuters: "It's only a matter of days before it disperses in the entire northern hemisphere," said Andrea Stahl, a senior scientist at the Norwegian Institute for Air Research."

Here's more from Brian Moench, MD:

"Administration spokespeople continuously claim "no threat" from the radiation reaching the US from Japan, just as they did with oil hemorrhaging into the Gulf. Perhaps we should all whistle "Don't worry, be happy" in unison. A thorough review of the science, however, begs a second opinion.

That the radiation is being released 5,000 miles away isn't as comforting as it seems.... Every day, the jet stream carries pollution from Asian smoke stacks and dust from the Gobi Desert to our West Coast, contributing 10 to 60 percent of the total pollution breathed by Californians, depending on the time of year. Mercury is probably the second most toxic substance known after plutonium. Half the mercury in the atmosphere over the entire US originates in China. It, too, is 5,000 miles away. A week after a nuclear weapons test in China, iodine 131 could be detected in the thyroid glands of deer in Colorado, although it could not be detected in the air or in nearby vegetation." (Washington's Blog)

The smoldering Fukushima hulk is a perpetual death machine poisoning everything around it--sea, sky and soil. Here's a clip from the Collin's article:

"...The soil contamination is really high. Soil found 40 kilometers away.... the levels on the soil were very high—in fact, a thousand times iodine, 4,000 times the cesium standard. And we just got a report from the Kyoto Research Reactor Institute, Dr. Tetsuji Imanaka, that said that—he had to look a little bit more into the sampling of the Japanese government, but depending on how the sampling was done, this level of contamination in the soil could be twice the amount that was compulsory evacuation for Chernobyl. Aileen Mioko Smith, March 24 (thanks to Michael Collins "They said it wasn't like Chernobyl and they were wrong")

Twice as high as Chernobyl already, and the disaster is likely to persist for months to come. Things are getting worse, much worse.

The Japanese government has been downplaying the crisis to make it look like they have matters under control, but it's all a sham. They control nothing. The rescue mission has been a flop from the get-go and now things are at a boiling point. The emergency effort has been overtaken by events and now it's a matter of "wait and see". We're approaching zero hour.

So why the cover up? Why is the media trying to soft-peddle the real effects of a nuclear cataclysm? Does the Japanese government really believe they can make things better by tweaking their public relations strategy? They should focus on saving lives and abandon "perception management" altogether. This is from the Union of Concerned Scientists website:

"Our assessment is that the Japanese government is squandering the opportunity to initiate an orderly evacuation from larger areas around the site–especially of sensitive populations, like children and pregnant women. It is potentially wasting valuable time by not undertaking a larger scale evacuation at this time."

The Japanese government is trying to protect the powerful nuclear lobby. The same is true of Obama, who continues to promote nuclear energy even while radiation belches from battered Fukushima. He's not thinking about the public; he's thinking about the deep pocket constituents who fill his campaign coffers.

Japanese workers are putting their lives on the line to regain control of the broken facility, but with little success. The probability of another fire, another monstrous explosion, or a full-core meltdown increases by the day. The Fukushima fiasco is gaining pace putting tens of thousands of people at risk of thyroid cancer, childhood leukemia and other life-threatening ailments.

On Saturday, Japan's prime minister, Naoto Kan, said the situation at the Fukushima nuclear plant was ''serious''. That might be the understatement of the century.

[gunDriller]

i just wrote my brother an email about it.

i'm at an Internet cafe.

i started packing it up, because i realized i was about to start crying.

then i un-packed my laptop and just changed subjects.

[mick silver]

if the stuff in the water in ohio it all over this country . i was in the rain the other day coming from the barn ... this make you think should i wait till it stop before getting wet

[sirgonzo420]

so...

I kinda wish I hadn't started this thread.

Red pills get more bitter all the time.

[bellevuebully]

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Interview with Rod Stewart on CNN at 9. Important stuff. Don't miss it.

[sunnyandseventy]

Late yesterday afternoon our local officials and media broke the news that radiation (I forgot which or what) readings in our air were above normal. Then they proceeded to have an official on explaining how it's "safe".

Now today the local paper has no mention of this. The biggest story, Panera Bread is coming to town. I shit you not. Panerafuckingbread.

No word whatsoever about the radiation. If this were some conservative character who was in trouble or some liberal type had done good then they would have had a multiple page story about it.

I'm so glad to have my Brothers and Sisters in GSUS for some sanity through all this. ;D

[bellevuebully]

I said to my wife last night, as we were being highly informed about the uber-important cricket match between India and Pakistan how utterly disgusting it is that the real impactful events of the world are overridden by such inconsequential drivel.

[oldmansmith]

Anybody start taking potassium iodine pills yet? I just bought a bunch of nori...

Mrs. Old is pregnant and I'm a bit worried about my daughter to be.

[Large Sarge]

Anybody start taking potassium iodine pills yet? I just bought a bunch of nori...

Mrs. Old is pregnant and I'm a bit worried about my daughter to be.


not advising you to start dosing KI, I think a lot depends on your food and more so your water source (well water versus city)

I am guessing that it takes about 2-3 days for most rainwater to reach the water treatment facility (at the very earliest, desert climates are different)

so maybe 5-6 days after a big rain, some Radioactive Iodine is in the tap water

(just guesstimating here)

but the water issue is the big deal from my perspective....

most of the produce you eat this time of year is either imported, or grown in a greenhouse

so the exposure is limited

(edit: add Florida produce might be available, watch for that)

[Large Sarge]

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3-20-11
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[undgrd]

Anybody start taking potassium iodine pills yet? I just bought a bunch of nori...

Mrs. Old is pregnant and I'm a bit worried about my daughter to be.


Congrats OMS!!!!

Give her bottled water if you're worried

[Large Sarge]

Anybody start taking potassium iodine pills yet? I just bought a bunch of nori...

Mrs. Old is pregnant and I'm a bit worried about my daughter to be.


Congrats OMS!!!!

Give her bottled water if you're worried


yes congrats on the little one, and the bottled water is probably a good idea.....

[lapis]

Now today the local paper has no mention of this. The biggest story, Panera Bread is coming to town. I shit you not. Panerafuckingbread.

No word whatsoever about the radiation.


Same here. Absolutely zero about this on the front page of the Internet site for the local rag. Ignorance is bliss!

[sirgonzo420]

Now today the local paper has no mention of this. The biggest story, Panera Bread is coming to town. I shit you not. Panerafuckingbread.

No word whatsoever about the radiation.


Same here. Absolutely zero about this on the front page of the Internet site for the local rag. Ignorance is bliss!


Same here.

It is the top story on Drudge at the moment:


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/31/japans-nuclear-rescuers-inevitable-die-weeks/

[JohnQPublic]

Informing us would be a good start...


I think we'll start popping second and third heads out of our bodies before they'd inform us of anything.


They will react then because they will know we have more eyes to see them and more ears to hear them. :D

[Son-of-Liberty]

This whole situation just pisses me off to no end. My girlfriend and I have started taking some Nascent Iodine as a supplement. Probably something we should have been doing for general health anyway. Also eating more seaweed. Found some lightly salted seaweed that is sold as a snack at a local asian market that is actually pretty tasty. Not really sure what else we can do at this point. The frustrating thing is that it is so hard to get any clear information about what the actual radiation danger is at this time.

Obviously the government in Japan as well as ours are lying their asses off. They don't care about our health only maintaining control. If cancer rates double in the next ten years ( or worse) from this they will just say that it could be anything that is causing the cancer and people will just put up with it. Better to calm the sheep now and avoid panic for them then tell the truth and let us make up our own minds what the best course of action is to protect our health.

http://www.magneticclay.com/store/nascent-iodine-supplement-1.aspx

[sirgonzo420]

This whole situation just pisses me off to no end. My girlfriend and I have started taking some Nascent Iodine as a supplement. Probably something we should have been doing for general health anyway. Also eating more seaweed. Found some lightly salted seaweed that is sold as a snack at a local asian market that is actually pretty tasty. Not really sure what else we can do at this point. The frustrating thing is that it is so hard to get any clear information about what the actual radiation danger is at this time.

Obviously the government in Japan as well as ours are lying their asses off. They don't care about our health only maintaining control. If cancer rates double in the next ten years ( or worse) from this they will just say that it could be anything that is causing the cancer and people will just put up with it. Better to calm the sheep now and avoid panic for them then tell the truth and let us make up our own minds what the best course of action is to protect our health.

http://www.magneticclay.com/store/nascent-iodine-supplement-1.aspx


Here's a link for UC Berkeley's Department of Nuclear Engineering:

http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/UCBAirSampling

Results Log

3/30 (5:30pm): Our milk sampling results are now posted. The only isotope we have detected besides background is I-131, at 0.70 Becquerels per liter. This level is lower than our rain water measurements by a factor of approximately 10, while higher than our creek water measurements by a factor of 10. One would have to drink roughly 3,800 liters of milk to receive a radiation dose equivalent to a round-trip cross-country flight.

3/29 (11:35am): Our air results and rain water results have both been updated. The isotope amounts in both have leveled out, which means that we might not be observing a downward trend at this point. We are continuing these tests so that we can observe the eventual expected decline in activities.

3/28 (2:24pm): Latest Air and Water Results data/spectra is now posted. We note decreased levels from previous peaks. This could be due to a number of reasons to include the lack of rain in the past 48 hours to an actual lower amount of particles in the air. Note, this is not a trend unless we see a sustained reduction. We are heading into a period of high pressure in the Bay Area and the jet stream will shift away from our area and this may cause even lower readings. We continue to test run-off creek water, tap water, and milk.

3/27 (2:00pm): Strawberry Creek run off results posted. We do observe all signatures in the run off creek water, but the dilution is from ~2% for I-131 to 15% for Cs137. However, Cs137 and Te132 are just below minimum detectability for our system and the real dilution is most likely closer to 2-5%. Reservoir and tap water sampling begins next week. These activities are factors of 10 to 50 below rain water results.

3/26 (6:20pm): Rain water sample results posted for 3/24 - 3/25. I-131 and Te-132 activities are lower than previously observed (3.12 and 0.27 Bq/L resp.) while Cs137 remains near the high point at ~0.5 Bq/L.

3/26 (10:45am): Air sampling results posted for 3/22 - 3/24. We have observed correlated increasing trends in Cs-137 and I-131 with the water sampling results. Te-132 seems to have increased more in air than in the rain water. Full understanding of the these trends may not be understood for some time until we start to combine this data with other information. Levels remain extremely low, but we are maintaining a close watch on these trends.

3/26 (9:45am): Rain water results posted for the past few days. Delay was due to testing of new data analysis chain script that will make posting results more efficient. We have observed a sharp up-tick in Cs-137 levels from around 0.2 Bg/L to 0.55 Bq/L. I-131 had a sharp rise on 3/23 of I-131 concentration from 6 Bq/L to 20 Bq/L. I-131 levels returned to 6 Bq/L on 3/24. Reasons for the I-131 spike is still unknown. Te-132 and I-132 levels remain relatively constant.

3/24 (2:40pm): Our new air sampling results are now posted. These results should be considered preliminary because we are trying to learn more about the efficiency of our 0.3 micron HEPA filters for capturing the particles of interest (we have assumed 100% efficiency for our current calculations). We thank everyone for their patience as we worked to ensure we had the correct calibration for these measurements. According to our measurements, the exposure to the public is very low -- at the highest levels we measured, breathing the air for 2,000 years would increase one's radiation dose by the same amount received by taking a cross-country airplane flight.

[Son-of-Liberty]

http://enenews.com/radioactive-iodine-131-in-pennsylvania-rainwater-sample-3300-above-federal-drinking-water-standard


Link isn't working now. Damage control underway.

[Book]

http://famousmonstersoffilmland.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/toxic-avenger.jpg

Settle down. Let's not jump the gun with all this hysteria just yet.

:oo-->

[gunDriller]

so...

I kinda wish I hadn't started this thread.

Red pills get more bitter all the time.

Europe survived Chernobyl - radiation-wise.

i think most of us in the US will survive the radiation.

for people in the Gulf, that BP disaster + Corexit is a much more immediate threat.

but the effect on the world economy ...

it is odd ... they did this survey of CEO's, said they were all optimistic. about what, i don't know - their personal chances of survival ?

i am much more concerned about Uncle Shylock taking advantage of the situation to implement CoG (Continuity of Government plans) than I am about danger from radioactive cesium or iodine in the US.

if Japan has a significant plutonium release ... which may have already occurred ... then i wonder - might it be wise to put up some more greenhouses to protect and cover ag. land from plutonium deposits ?

[Olmstein]

I've been following the news over at GLP. (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1413995/pg116) They've got a pretty good thread going about it.

[lapis]

Europe survived Chernobyl - radiation-wise.

i think most of us in the US will survive the radiation.


I hope so! But according to the nonprofit "The Radiation and Public Health Project (RPHP) (http://www.radiation.org/about/index.html),"

Five books published by RPHP research associates summarize hundreds of articles in peer-reviewed journals dealing with these impacts of ingested, low-level fission products--products which did not exist in nature prior to the Nuclear Age. In addition to the effects upon the immune response of all age groups, the very young have been especially affected. RPHP has repeatedly pointed out the radiation-induced damage apparent in official vital statistics, tracing changes in infant mortality rates and underweight live births in the postwar period, especially during the aboveground nuclear test years of the 1950s and the 1960s.

RPHP has also been able to track the radiation-induced damage done to the hormonal and immune systems of the 80 million baby boomers born between 1945 and 1965 in each of the post war decades, revealing the various epidemiological anomalies: In the 1950s, children born after the enormous initial exposure to nuclear fission products began to experience epidemic increases in childhood cancer in the ages 5 to 9.

In USA Newborn Deterioration in the Nuclear Age: 1945-1965 , RPHP found

...a cumulated excess of about 1 million infant deaths over the 50 year postwar period, attributable to exposure to all post-1945 releases of chemical and radioactive pollutants.

In 1963, when children born in the traumatic initial year of 1945 reached the age of 18, there began a mysterious 20-year decline in Scholastic Aptitude Scores (SAT), which only improved when the tests were taken by those born after the cessation of aboveground superpower nuclear bomb tests, which had exploded the equivalent of 40,000 Hiroshima bombs between 1945 and 1963.

With the onset of another wave of fallout in the form of accidental and 'normal' releases of low-level radiation from civilian nuclear power reactors, rapidly coming on line in the 1970s, RPHP found a linkage to the emergence of immune deficiency diseases in the 1980s, including AIDS, as well as early breast cancer (for women baby boomers reaching age 35).

Concerning America's cancer epidemic, RPHP has analyzed official National Cancer Institute, age-adjusted, breast and prostate cancer mortality rates, available since 1950 for every county in the United States, and demonstrated highly significant correlations between high cancer death rates and proximity to nuclear reactors.

In The Enemy Within: The High Cost of Living Near Nuclear Reactors, RPHP showed that of the over 3,000 counties in the United States, women living in about 1,300 nuclear counties (located within 10 0 miles of a reactor) are at the greatest risk of dying of breast cancer.

Of course, this is also the time that sugar, processed foods, vaccines, unnecessary medications and medical procedures started to become popular, so I don't think all the problems can be blamed on radiation exposure.

[osoab]

In 1963, when children born in the traumatic initial year of 1945 reached the age of 18, there began a mysterious 20-year decline in Scholastic Aptitude Scores (SAT), which only improved when the tests were taken by those born after the cessation of aboveground superpower nuclear bomb tests, which had exploded the equivalent of 40,000 Hiroshima bombs between 1945 and 1963.

In that time frame, were teaching standards being revised? Did the test for the SAT change in that time frame to compensate for the less apt. What was the percentage decline?

A completely worthless quote without some sort of context.

[lapis]

In 1963, when children born in the traumatic initial year of 1945 reached the age of 18, there began a mysterious 20-year decline in Scholastic Aptitude Scores (SAT), which only improved when the tests were taken by those born after the cessation of aboveground superpower nuclear bomb tests, which had exploded the equivalent of 40,000 Hiroshima bombs between 1945 and 1963.

In that time frame, were teaching standards being revised? Did the test for the SAT change in that time frame to compensate for the less apt. What was the percentage decline?

A completely worthless quote without some sort of context.


They claimed it was a "mysterious" dip, so I assume they think that not much else had changed in the teaching standards (but of course we can't determine that very easily from our GSUS armchairs. ;)).

What drew me to this site is that they've been collecting baby teeth and measuring their Strontium-90 content, and correlating the rising levels with proximity to nuclear fallout locations and the number of them who went on to get diseases like cancer:

Why study baby teeth?

Since their inception, nuclear power plants and bomb facilities have been emitting fission products through accidental releases and through regular allowable emissions that the government classifies as below regulatory concern.

Radioactive Strontium-90 (Sr-90) is one of these elements, and one of the deadliest. The chemical structure of Sr-90 is so similar to that of calcium that the body gets fooled and deposits Sr-90 in the bones and teeth where it remains, continually emitting cancer-causing radiation.

Most of the strontium in the baby teeth is transferred to the fetus by the mother during pregnancy. Because we know when and where the baby was born, and where the mother lived while carrying, we can accurately determine when and where radioactivity was absorbed from the environment.

The Federal Government no longer measures strontium intake in baby teeth. Yet RPHP believes it is important to know what the facts of our radioactive exposure actually are. Thus, RPHP has launched its own national study of the levels of radioactivity in American baby teeth.

What will RPHP's study do?

This study will gather the necessary clinical evidence to determine whether nuclear weapons fallout and power reactors are affecting our public health and contributing to America's cancer epidemic--impacting the health and mortality of newborn children and damaging future generations.

Once RPHP has sufficient teeth, and is able to conduct statistical analysis of the data, it will become clear whether or not strontium is entering our bodies from nuclear power and bomb facilities. Should it prove that this is in fact the case, RPHP will then disseminate the results of its research to the public, to Congress, and to the media.

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Our current teeth study is directed by Dr. Ernest J. Sternglass, Professor Emeritus of Radiological Physics at the University of Pittsburgh Medical School and Senior Associate of the RPHP. This study replicates a similar study first conducted 40 years ago.

In 1958 dental associations in St. Louis, organized by Dr. Barry Commoner, concerned about increasing fallout from aboveground nuclear tests, independently began collecting baby teeth to ascertain strontium-90 levels since the bomb tests began in 1945. It was soon clear that there had been statistically-significant, geometric increases since 1951. More than 60,000 teeth were collected and, by 1965, peak levels of about 5 pCi/grCa, were reached, indicating a fifty-fold increase since 1951.

The St. Louis findings were supported by UN measurements of the strontium-90 levels found in the bone in autopsies of New York City adults who died each year from 1955 to 1970. By the 1960s, at least two dozen nations began their own measurements of strontium-90 levels in the teeth of children, which are better than autopsies performed on adult cadavers, because birthdates provide a better indication of when one's major burden of Sr-90 was acquired.

All published studies tell a similar story; peak levels were reached in the mid-1960s, when the huge amounts of Sr-90 released in the final massive US/USSR hydrogen bomb tests of 1962 finally rained out by 1964 and 1965.

In the 1970s, Sr-90 levels in baby teeth dropped back down to about 1 pCi/grCa, about the same level reached in the US by 1958.
Studies published by Denmark and Japan were continued until the early 1980s, suggesting that sometime in the mid-1970s the strontium-90 levels in teeth leveled out, followed by a slight upturn.

However, a current study of some 6,000 German baby teeth collected since 1992 by the German Section of the International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War--winner of the 1985 Nobel Peace Prize Award--found the trend has changed.

The German Section of the International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War found a tenfold increase in the teeth of German children born in the period following the arrival of Chernobyl fallout in May of 1986, as compared with children born in 1983.

RPHP has translated and published the first IPPNW report: Ten Years After Chernobyl: The Rise of Strontium-90 in Baby Teeth.

[Son-of-Liberty]

Another rainwater sample, this one in San Francisco is even worse then the Pennsylvania one.

Radioactive Iodine-131 in rainwater sample near San Francisco was 18,100% above federal drinking water standard.

http://enenews.com/radioactive-iodine-131-in-rainwater-sample-near-san-francisco-is-18100-above-federal-drinking-water-standard

This stuff is definitely going to contaminate the food supply. Wish they were testing cesium as well since that stuff doesn't really deteriorate.

[Santa]

The really horrible aspect to contemplate are the cummulative effects over time from this ongoing catastrophe.

Fact is, these reactors are spewing hot radioactive particles rapidly up into the atmosphere continuously and relentlessly every hour of every day.

This isn't like a bomb that one off explodes, blowing a limited amount of fallout onto the environment.

In this case, the fallout can't do anything but accumulate and get worse and worse until Fukushima gets entombed. Period.

Everyone in the Northern hemisphere are going to be affected to some degree, depending on how long this shit continues.

Maybe I'm being overly dramatic or (I hope) unrealistic, but it seems to me that

the odds that any of us will live into old age are growing smaller every day.

[sirgonzo420]

The really horrible aspect to contemplate are the cummulative effects over time from this ongoing catastrophe.

Fact is, these reactors are spewing hot radioactive particles rapidly up into the atmosphere continuously and relentlessly every hour of every day.

This isn't like a bomb that one off explodes, blowing a limited amount of fallout onto the environment.

In this case, the fallout can't do anything but accumulate and get worse and worse until Fukushima gets entombed. Period.

Everyone in the Northern hemisphere are going to be affected to some degree, depending on how long this shit continues.

Maybe I'm being overly dramatic or (I hope) unrealistic, but it seems to me that

the odds that any of us will live into old age are growing smaller every day.




I'm inclined to agree.

I hope I'm wrong, but based on my track record, I'm not optimistic. :D

[madscientist]

This stuff is definitely going to contaminate the food supply. Wish they were testing cesium as well since that stuff doesn't really deteriorate.


For now, testing for Cs-137 is unnecessary, for, if I-131 is present, that's enough to worry about.

We will be seeing Cs-137 in food for decades to come. The half-life is 30 years.

[Horn]

Looks like most of it is working itself out of the air somewhere over Memphis Tn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW3JMPsQb0w&feature=player_embedded

[Jersey Thursday]

Now today the local paper has no mention of this. The biggest story, Panera Bread is coming to town. I shit you not. Panerafuckingbread.


Get the cinnamon crunch bagel. A bit overpriced, but darn tasty.

[woodman]

Well, this will go a long way toward their desired population reduction. I hope it is not as bad as I think it well could be.. I'm old but I have kids and grandkids that I'd like to see have a good life.

"GE, we bring good things to life" isn't that their advertisement? So what are we going to do about these bastards and their blatant destruction of all we hold dear? Some one needs to pay dear.

The fact is that corporations are artificial life forms and their one life-function is profit. Short term. Profit at the expense of all else. It's what they do. It's all they do. Their presidents and managers are never held responsible, are they? The investors and stockholders are as responsible as the leaders, for they provide the lifeblood of these vampiric organisms and they never feel the staff of vengeance for the misdeeds of the corporate rapists. It is high time to start looking differently at our world and start laying blame where it should lie. Someone is responsible after all.