I'm at a turning point

[Awoke]

I have been misled. I have been tricked by the great deceiver.

I was not going to post this, but I feel that I must. To be clear, I am still working my way through this struggle, so I don't have all the answers.

You all know I am Christian, and that is that. I will not butter this post over for non-Christians. This is written from my Christian viewpoint, which also includes belief in the devil and the war between heaven and earth.
I am not interested in justifying my beliefs or debating their authenticity with non-believers.


I started this journey of Conspiracy research because I could see that there was something wrong with the LRP. I knew it was a lie, and a smokescreen. I knew that all parties are controlled and answering to a bigger, shadow boss. I had never heard of the BBG, the TLC, the CFR, none of it.

I dug in deep, as I always do when I become passionate about something, and I was (and still am) willing to go deeper than most people, willing to read uncomfortable truths, to stare satans plan in the face. I knew from the start that this battle was spiritual in nature, and that in the end, this fleshy material world was not what it really is all about.

I dug and dug and dug, and I found the head of the Octopus: Jewry.
As first I was taken aback and I was stand-offish from that prospect. I started reading all sorts of Materials that led me through the winding labriynth of deception. Years of brainwashing had me thinking "The Jews are God's chosen and we must support them".

I started researching and a saw the hand of the jew in everything, in every revolution, in every war, in every bank, in every corrupt institute of learning, in every corrupt business and in every corrupt law.

I began to hate them. Imagine. A Christian, hating a the jews as a people, race, religion, etc.
It goes against everything that Christ himself stood for.

I realized after some serious soul searching and also some serious prayer, and some serious discussion with an intelligent Christian friend of mine, that I have been played by the devil. I have been led to hate Jews, even though the book I profess to attempt to follow makes it clear that Jews are loved by the Father. Satan used my own thirst for truth to lead me down a very non-Christian path of loathing, judgemental hatred.


Don't get me wrong. There is a ton of information which shows the "hand of the jew" in all these various occurances throughout history. I was convinced that the jews were at war with Christ and Christianity, and the rest of the world, and would not rest until the goy were under the yoke of global jewry.


No longer. I recognized how I have been decieved. In the New Testament are the answers I was looking for. I have quoted these scriptures many times on this forum and during conversation with like-minded people, but the weight of it never hit home until recently.




[41] You do the works of your father. They said therefore to him: We are not born of fornication: we have one Father, even God.
[42] Jesus therefore said to them: If God were your Father, you would indeed love me. For from God I proceeded, and came; for I came not of myself, but he sent me:
[43] Why do you not know my speech? Because you cannot hear my word.
[44] You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
[45] But if I say the truth, you believe me not.






[9] I know thy tribulation and thy poverty, but thou art rich: and thou art blasphemed by them that say they are Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.





[9] Behold, I will bring of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie. Behold, I will make them to come and adore before thy feet. And they shall know that I have loved thee



You who say you are jews, and are not....

All this time I have thought "The Crypto-jews are attacking the Church of Christ".

Satan is too devious to only hide his plan with one layer of deceit.

Satan is using luciferians who say they are jews, and are not, to attack the Church. This double-disguise fooled me into thinking that the jews are bad, and that they are out for the destruction and enslavement of all of us, but I believe that the reality is, Satan has worked his plan in such a fashion that he can kill two birds with one stone:

1) Attack and destroy the Christian Faith
2) Make people hate jews in the process

He gets a double wammy with this approach. I, as a loyal and patriotic Christian (Patriotic to Jesus, I mean) started to hate the jews because of their unrelenting attacks on the Church and the Faith and the morality of the world, when in reality, these attacks are being carried out by those who say they are jews, but are not.

For the last couple years I have been fostering a feeling of jew-hatred in my heart, and it grew so gradually that I never realized how bad was. It hit me like a ton of bricks, that I am walking around with hate in my heart, and I am talking to people and showing them evidences, influencing their thoughts and guiding them towards jew hatred, and this is unacceptable. I have been deceived by the great deceiver.

So then, Just so you all know where I stand on this: My stance hasn't changed. I am at war with the luciferians. I just look at things a little differently now. When I see a picture of a talmudist kabbalist rabbi sucking on a baby's dick, I know that he is not a jew. Not a true jew.
The kabbalah is luciferianism, and talmud is luciferianism, and those who say they are jews and are not, are luciferians. I have no reservations stating that those doctrines are "Away from God".

This complicates things for me, in the sense that I can't identify the enemy anymore by pointing and saying "Oh well, what did you expect, he's a jew", because these satanists are pretending to be jews but they are not. It's a multi-layer disguise, and I feel I must be extremely wary of casting judgement, whereas over the last few years I have been extremely quick to judge.



The names don't matter anymore. Stein, berg, whatever. Those luciferians who are pretending to be jews are running under all different names, from all different cultures. 90% of the jews today are Khazars anyways, whom we all know are not really actual jews from the Bloodlines of the 12 tribes. That complicates things intensely as well.

So by their fruits you shall know them.

I will no longer be running around here saying "It's the jews", because by doing that, I am doing satans work by making people hate jews.

It is the luciferians.

[midnight rambler]

It is the luciferians.

Absolutely, and Kennedy knew it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj3AECSKmhU

[k-os]

That must not have been easy for you to write, Awoke. I admire you for being able to make known your evolution of thought.

I am not not as religious as you, or most people . . . I just wanted to thank you for your honesty.

[Book]

I will no longer be running around here saying "It's the jews", because by doing that, I am doing satans work by making people hate jews.

It is the luciferians.



Gee...I thought there would be more of THEM (http://luciferian.meetup.com/).

Good luck with that new jew love.

:)

[nunaem]

Call them what you will, as long as you make clear that they self-identify as Jews. "Luciferians who call themselves Jews.", or "The Luciferian formerly known as Jew."

But, IMHO, bringing up Lucifer in the presence of anyone other than a devout Christians wont help your case.

[dys]

You're ALMOST home. Very close. Try this:

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
Ephesians 6:12

How about this:

And whosoever shall offend one of [these] little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
Mark 9:42

OFFEND. Now look-

And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
Mark 9:47

And-

Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
Matthew 26:52

dys

[Libertarian_Guard]

Awoke

Consider this.

Perhaps, in the interest of salvation, God required the redemer J.C. to be hated and scorned through the span of this world. This is easy to grasp from The Old Testament, specifically, Isaiah 53.

Hence the need for the Jews. They're close, yet they always remain a hated subset. Here we are thousands of years later and 'the jews' cannot 'mix' with the world. How the F is that? Why is that? Just because Moses brought down the commandments and proclaimed the 'chosen'? Perhaps. But why?

If you're willing to think in depth about the jews, the subject will continue to fascinate you, and no firm conclusions can be drawn. It is a paradox.

[Book]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irIXIy6hNc8
He says he is a jew not a luciferian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUrBEKuRPyI
No confusion by these folks that they are jews and not luciferians.

Jews spit on Christians in Jerusalem (http://www.google.com/search?q=youtube&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&q=jews+spit+on+christians&aq=0&aqi=g1g-b1&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=c99decee79d1fe4a)

:)

http://www.museumofconceptualart.com/Jesusisms_vs_Bushisms/images/Love%20Your%20Enemies.jpg
How's that working out in Palestine?

[7th trump]

Well well well..........Awoke has real "AWOKE" this time.
You've heard of me say this many times on this forum that those who call themselves the chosen, but are not, are "kenite" jews.
The word "kenite" is a Hebrew word meaning "the sons of Cain".
If you look just past what you have highlighted in verse 44 you will see just whos desendents Christ was addressing when He identified them to come from the synagog of satan.


[44] You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. Who murdered who in the begining Awoke?
Cain murdered Able.
Also after murdering his brother Able, Cain took a wife afterwards and begot children and that bloodline is still here to this day.
They are the tares among the wheat.

Seriously if you want to get a better feel of this go to the sheperds chapel and listen to Arnold Murray's daily preaching. Hes just about finished with Genesis. It takes four years for Arnold teaching chapter by chapter and verse by verse to finish from front to back.

[Libertarian_Guard]

Book

All true, but you’re covering old ground and not adding anything to the question of why the jews are always on the path of social isolation.

Why is this? Why didn’t they disappear or be absorbed into the blender of the human mix, like so many others have? One thing is for sure, they haven’t survived by sheer numbers, as their population has always been insignificant.

[Awoke]

Book, I can't see any of the things you posted because the filter here has those sites or sources blocked, except for the last picture of Christ that you put up.

I don't have all the answers and I am still working my way through this, but the crux is that they who say they are jews and are not, are just that: Not jews.

So although you posted something where "He says he is a jew not a luciferian", what I am saying is that he is not a jew, but a luciferian playacting as a jew. Of course I am arguing a point without being able to see what you posted, so forgive me if I'm off topic or something. I'm just going off the text you put, because that is all I can see.

I am not here to proclaim that the jews are perfect or innocent: There are luciferian jews, and there are lucferians who claim they are jews but are not.



I'm just saying that I am not going to conduct myself as a jew hater and I'm not going to influence people into jew hatred anymore. That is not what Christ wants from me.

[Mouse]

We are not the deciders. I have harbored resentment at our self-annointed overlords and have come to a similar conclusion. I still battle with it daily. I am not fit to judge. None of us are. So then be very vigilant and observant, but try not to judge, for that is God's domain. I find it makes it easier for me.

[Book]

...what I am saying is that he is not a jew, but a luciferian playacting as a jew...



http://www.ohmyweird.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/pet%20hyena%202.jpg

Just as long as you keep SAYING it. Sorting the "nice real jews" from the "evil zionists" must be tricky these days. Good luck with that!

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[Awoke]

We are not the deciders. I have harbored resentment at our self-annointed overlords and have come to a similar conclusion. I still battle with it daily. I am not fit to judge. None of us are. So then be very vigilant and observant, but try not to judge, for that is God's domain. I find it makes it easier for me.


That's where I sit with it now.
Everything is called into question. Who is a jew, who is not? Who is legit, who is not? Who is Khazar, who is not?

When Christ spoke to that group, it was about 2000 years ago, and the decievers were already in place. This ancient battle is beyond my mortal mind to work out completely. It's not the work of human minds. I have to resign myself to the fact that I can not think like God, and cannot understand all the intricacies of this plan.

Before this hit me, my pride told me that I had it all figured out. Now I must humble myself and admit that I don't.
I'm OK with that.



Book, don't hate on me.

[Horn]

Its the freedom of choice that should be fought for, and not just the choice between the lesser of two evils.

Coming from a strictly reactionary point.



I champion the choice of a thoughtful voice.

[vacuum]

Congratulations on your breakthrough Awoke. I think the most important thing is not necessarily what your realization was, but that just when you think you've got everything figured out (and choose a name like 'Awoke'), your best theories can change in a big way. No matter how deep you go and keep peeling back the onion, the only constant and sure thing is not what you discover at any particular point, but the truth seeking process.

[FunnyMoney]

There will always be these types in every group, they will say the most stupid things and then they will do the most criminal acts you can imagine. This of course will reflect badly on their group as a whole, although in reality every individual is an individual soul and will be judged without regard to what group they were a member of, when their day comes.

These criminals of the highest order, once the moment they renounce peace and love and since the moment they embraced hate and crime, see themselves more rightous and glorious than anyone.

By going down the road of crime, rationalized by their self-proclaimed better-than-thou beliefs, they attempt to put themselves into the position of Judge, Jury and Executioner. They think they know who is guilty, who is right and who is wrong, who deserves to have and who deserves to have not (although no human can look into the soul of another).

That belief of theirs, and their actions last at most 100 years, at which point everything they are about is shown to be completely false, except for their stupidity.

[learn2swim]

Got this website from someone on this forum, it get deep into what you're talking about.



http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/jewish_conspiracy_9.html

[ximmy]

In my opinion, the "crypto" Jews are the Jews...

The Apostle Paul said there are no longer any Jews, so those that are or say they are, are all liars... corrupt, bankrupt in faith, unfavored, killed their own Christ.

Christ is all and in all.
(Gal. 3:28) There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female

(Col. 3:11) Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all and in all.

Everyone is the "chosen race" now...
(1 Pet.2 :9-10) But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

The "Former' Jew is no longer regarded as the chosen, they have been rejected.
(Acts 28:27-28) For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them. “Therefore I want you to know that God’s salvation has been sent to the Gentiles, and they will listen!”

[dys]

You are asking the wrong questions.

There was something that God showed me, it's not possible to put into words but I can offer a couple of clues. I was dealing with some very messed up attacks of the enemy. I could feel a searing hatred towards me, terrifying in its intensity. I thought 'why do they hate me'? I actually got an answer.
I believe it is because they are damned. You would think that the Satanic would bask in the love of Satan, but no. Their common element is the hatred of God. The God that sealed their fate. We have the one thing that they absolutely need and they can't ever have: redemption. And they hate us for it.

Where does evil come from? Lies, confusion, disorder, mayhem? Who's world is this? http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/why-the-illuminati-tolerate-truthers/msg201537/#msg201537 post #9
Read Grad's posts. Grad knows what's up.

dys

[Awoke]

Got this website from someone on this forum, it get deep into what you're talking about.



http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/jewish_conspiracy_9.html




This is some serious reading. I got part way through it, but I must wait till it's not so late at night and I can have a clearer head after rest.
Thanks for the link.

[vacuum]

I'll throw in my 2 cents since everyone is doing the same on some of my theories.

First of all, my strategy is not to jump to one absolute truth and reject other ideas that are contrary to it. Yes, I do believe there is an objective, absolute reality and no amount of wishing will change it. However, I also believe that my capability of understanding this objective reality is limited and subject to many delusions. So I cannot so easily dismiss something someone else believes contrary to what I probably think is true. For example, exact racial lineages, names, dates, ideologies, social structures, institutions, schools of thought, and most especially motivations and conspiracies are all very specific things. I see people all the time get in serious disagreements on these details based on their own experiences and research.

What I try to do however is mimic the way nature seems to be, in which I've found to be a very interesting analogy. A particle such as an electron is very interesting. Even though it is a 'particle', analogous to what I would call a 'fact' - something that definitely exists in a certain time and place, almost all of its life it exists in multiple places at once as a wave-function. Only through observation is it actually forced to take a definite spatial location, where the wave-function collapses.

In the same way, I do have dominant theories about what is likely true (a probability distribution), I don't actually put all my cards on any specific one until I'm forced to make a decisive action. I allow conflicting theories to coexist as possibilities to me just as an electron can seem to be in two places at once. The point is that it is completely irrelevant which one is correct unless an observation (or in our case, decisive action) occurs. 99% of the time in your life you only need the beatitudes, and all other detailed conflicting theories can coexist without harm. The other 1% of the time when decisive action is required you simply go with your best educated guess of what you think the truth is...which you've allowed to fairly compete with everything else you've ever learned without bias.

[MAGNES]

It's the Pharisees and the followers of theirs.

A lot of this is semantics, who were the Hebrews, who were the Judeans,
they are not the people that run around calling themselves Jews today,
even setting aside the issue of the Khazars.

A lot of this is semantics, they call themselves Jews, the Talmud is Jewish Law according to their leaders.

They are subversives, they lead subversive movements, the entire occult is their baby, from the gnostics on.

They steal others history and claim it as their own and confuse everything.

Even the OT is full of this and some bible people can't handle these truths.

What do Jews themselves say and promote, using their own works against them is easy and important.

Who were the Hebrews, ? , or Judeans , ? , there are many accounts to what I speak of above,
some very good stuff, a lot of it is contradictory, you ain't going to find the truth, not now,
but you learn that what is sold as truth and history is a lie, stealing and selling others history
as their own.

How many people here know that Ancient Hebrew is a dead language, no literature, no works,
nobody speaks it, nobody reads it, this can be said of modern Hebrew too which is a total
invention, more modern, those that call themselves Jews don't even speak it. In Europe Jews
used " yiddish " which is a German Vernacular, and they used it to communicate across countries,
as their language, not Hebrew, not Ancient and not modern. Just one example of many.

The OT was not written in Hebrew, the original OT was written in Greek, commissioned by the Ptolemies.

This is key history, and you will never see a Jew giving credit to the Greeks ever, and they lie, deceive.

It's the Pharisees, their followers, Talmudists, ZoHar, Kabbalists, the Jews themselves identify with
these works and call themselves Jews, and because of that for simplicity reasons that is what I call them.

And we are right to do so. Group identity and politics dominate here, despite the manufacturing.

They ain't the Judeans or the Hebrews. A strong case can be made here based on history.

Even Jews in Israel have destroyed the lies and propaganda like Exodus, AD70, Masada, all made up.

Calling them Pharisees of ancient times, follow their works, where does it lead. ?

They call themselves Jews, not Judeans, not Hebrews.

The Occult is Satanic, no doubt about it.

[Ponce]

Hey Awoke? all that yara yara yara is ok, but only as long as you are talking about the real Jews of the Bible and not the Kharsarian from Europe........... even the real Jews are not all that good but "for now" I have no beef with them.

However.........if you are now talking about the Zionist "Jews" as being your savior then I for one will make sure that you go where they are going.

[Awoke]

That site that Learn2swim posted is definately striking a chord with me.

The jews are not the Israelites that the Father made the covenant with. The ones who are running around today, calling themselves "jews" and claiming to be the chosen ones are imposters.

a tidbit:




Apostolic Christianity and Judaism (Pharisaism) are utterly, completely and irreconcilably antagonistic. They mutually repudiate each other and so are mutually exclusive. This as it should be, for, one comes from Christ while the other comes from Antichrist.

A great part of Christ's reported Words are His denunciation of "the Jews" and their religion, Pharisaism, which He repeatedly tells them (and us) is not the religion of the Old Testament. Thus: "Had ye believed in Moses, ye would have believed Me: for he wrote of Me" (John 5:46) and "If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded through one rose from the dead" (Luke 16:31). He, of course, was right. For, He not only rose from the dead but even to this day "the Jews" are not persuaded.

[MAGNES]

Got this website from someone on this forum, it get deep into what you're talking about.

http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/jewish_conspiracy_9.html



This is some serious reading. I got part way through it, but I must wait till it's not so late at night and I can have a clearer head after rest.
Thanks for the link.


This is what I am talking about, I have been reading material like that for years.

The more you read, you will become confused, there are even books on this.

Understanding the history of the region is very important, who lived there ? Etc .

There is real history that cannot be disputed.

Look at Israel, everywhere they dig they find other peoples works. LOL !

They themselves claim, Cananite, Phoenician, Egypt, Babylon as their homes. LOL !


That link, some of the material in it, tell the Jews some of that and they will attack you.

These are truths I strongly believe and I can give you real history that is indisputable that
supports these facts, I have given you pieces of it here. Tell a Jew this stuff, they will attack you.

*
Jesus was not a Jew.
*
Christianity did not arise out of Judaism/Pharisaism
*
Western Christian Civilisation has no such thing called the Judaeo-Christian heritage.

[Awoke]

Hey Awoke? all that yara yara yara is ok, but only as long as you are talking about the real Jews of the Bible and not the Kharsarian from Europe........... even the real Jews are not all that good but "for now" I have no beef with them.

However.........if you are now talking about the Zionist "Jews" as being your savior then I for one will make sure that you go where they are going.


What I am saying is, everything is called into question.

What is zionism?
At this point, I suspect that what you and I are calling "zionism" is actually a satanic counterfeit of real and actual zionism.
The imposters are going to rebuild the temple and the abomination of desolation will stand there.

Real and true zionism is not what is going on in our world today, imo. These people are luciferians who are saying they are jews, but they are not truely God chosen people. They are carrying out the devils work, and masking themselves as jews, so that the people who are paying attention will begin to hate the jews.

[jason]

Very sharp first post that drew me out as a lurker, I havent read the reast of the thread but I look forward to it.

First off I posted on GIM1 since 08 under a diff name, dont' post on GIM2 but read both places...ya'll have the upper hand here just sayin, but the bad "joo" thing turned me off a little. I'm pretty sure I know the truth, but it bothered me a little that so many fine people (posters) did not. Awoke included, and I'm glad you've finally "awoke" - lol


Kill two birds with one stone indeed. It's the same script over and over because it works. Much like the Christian religion has been discredited greatly because Americas leaders claim to be Christians and yet commit genocide and are thieves.

Anybody who thinks Bush or Obama or Kennedy or Roosevelt or probably even Washington are Christians or Protestants or Catholics...........is an idiot.

[Awoke]

Welcome to GSus.

What was your other name on GIM?

[jason]

I'd rather not say, I'm much more cautious about what I post now

Not sure if you're familiar with Stan Montieth Awoke. Wrote the book "Brotherhood of Darkness" many years ago and is Jewish. He's probably the guy who has it dialed the most. Getting up there in age though, 80's, his radio show is at times painful on the ears production wise.

http://www.gcnlive.com/programs/radioLiberty/archives.php

[Awoke]

No I have never heard of Stan before. I will check it out. Thanks.

[jason]

I have to admit it is an EXTREMELY complicated issue with many layers of deceit. In the end, we simply are not smart enough to be able to comprehend it fully because we are not at the same level, at least IQ wise, of our enemy

[bellevuebully]

I'd say that is a turning point.

Awoke, what I read into your posts is that you have come to a point where you are more concerned with your own attitudes and conduct as a Christian than you are with trying to solve something that is beyond solving (by our own means).

I believe you are quite correct in this matter, and I commend you for your courage and honesty. But mostly your humility. That is a sign of a servant of Jesus Christ.

[jason]

bellevuebully, it's always a pleasure to read your posts. I didnt post much at GIM1, most people probably wouldnt recognize my name there anyways, I'm just saying so nobody thinks I'm GoldBuyer123 or Got Goldies...lol

Anyways, Jason is indeed my REAL name. And I'm pretty stoked right now watching silver break out over $38 while I enjoy a guiness

[Awoke]

Awoke is my real name.

[Mouse]

This should turn to drama in about 4 hours or so. I see the next survivor has arrived.

[Nordmann]

Ye are of your father.

Who was the father of Cain according to the dead sea scrolls? None other than Sammael.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TxHZBvAtUQ

[Nordmann]

Yes, the jews aka fake Judeans are Canaanites which resulted from Esau giving up his birthright.

[Silver Shield]

Awoke,

First thank you for your courage to keep questioning yourself. Until you reach a level of real peace you mist keep digging. I wrote about the 5 stages of awakening and I feel you are just now entering the final stage of awakening. This is the stage where everything makes sense finally. You are at real peace and can finally move forward with your new reality with no fear or malice in your heart. Soon you will be able to really be an example to others for them to have the courage to do what you have done. You should feel the darkness and hate lifting from your heart and feel a spark of fire in your soul. It is tough to explain but it is real.

I have been exploring this issue with two articles called The Most Dangerous Man in The World and Fearless. My hope is that more and more people who have fallen for the illusion of this paradigm go through this process and that we can as a human race enter in a new world of enlightenment. In fact that is what my Sons of Liberty Academy is all about getting people through the 5 stages of Awakening in the fastest way I know how.

I know we have had more than a couple of back and forths about this issue of "its the Joos." I have always said "the Elite" because it is probably the most descriptive catch all for this tiny class that controls our paradigm. I would use Luciferians but I feel those at the top don't actually worship Lucifer as much as his ways. The power and profit motive is way stronger in these people than and religious or theological motivation. I have always preferred saying Zionists are a problem and not the Jews for those people like Book. But that still does not describe the other majority of the Elite that could not care less about Israel.

I hope you keep exploring this path further it is not over for you but you are on the right track. If I can give you some advice try not to view truth through Christian glasses. Try to find truth that is self evident. I think this will help you find peace but also stregthen your faith.

If you want to discuss this further PM me and we can talk.

Peace,

Chris

[Serpo]

Awoke is my real name.

How do you sleep .......lol

Seriously....cannot have hate in the heart as when these people are understood there is no hate.
Hate and they win, of course easier said than done but there is no point in carrying emotional baggage around like that.Get angry,get annoyed when necessary but do not harbour hate as this can eat us away from the inside.
By understanding ourselves we can solve a part of the worlds problem and one of the worlds problems is burning hate.......FOR WHATEVER REASON.....transcend this and the sky is blue and understanding is the key.
EVERYONE HATES and this is why the world is a mess,our inner world is the key to reality,the outside world is just that the outside world.

Emotions are funny things as they influence our thoughts in strange ways.
In the end everything has to be transcended and seen for what it is and then truth appears, I personally believe little my mind may want to convince me is reality as these are simply thoughts and all too often they have been influenced from the out side world.
Inner peace is just beyond or the spaces between the thoughts.We can weep for the world at times but by being caught up in it we can become lost from our true self.

[woodman]

You can rationalize anything Awoke. Rationalization does not change the fact that most Jews identify with their group and as a cohesive whole they act in unison. This does not mean you must hate individual Jews. Just hate the things they have brought to fruition in their arrogance and ignorance. There are very fine Jewish people as there are very fine Christians. Christians have been just as active as Jews in their own and society's downfall.

Zionism is a fact. Jewish nepotism is a fact. Jews own America(fact). Own Hollywood. Own all the news outlets. Send our young to die in wars. The list goes on and on. The leaders may be Satanists but they would not be leaders if they had no followers.

I am glad that you have pulled yourself out of the morass of hatred. It will drown a man in it's filth and stench. It will poison your world. Don't be blind to the truth though. Behind every leader is a follower.

[Spectrism]

We know the end already. All nations will be gathered against Israel. We also know the method of the god of this world. He uses deception, pride, hate, greed, jealousy, lust, rebellion, unlawfulness, impatience, fear.

You are correct in seeing the game set up to use one hated group of man to fight another hated group of man. The devil hates all men- who were created in the image of God. The jews are largely deceived and the few who will turn to the Messiah will be attacked from inside Israel as well as outside Israel.

The devil is keen on killing men before they escape to the kingdom of God. The gates of hell exist on this world and the escape must be done here and now while in the flesh. Kill those who are still trapped and the devil deprives God of those souls. The devil is working to keep man separated from God.

The will of man is a dangerous thing.

[Bigjon]

As long as the Jews use the Talmud as their book, they will be the source of the problem.

The main tenants of that book are hatred and Jews are the superior race.

[Ash_Williams]

Satan is too devious to only hide his plan with one layer of deceit.

I'm not religious but I came to the same conclusion, except maybe replacing Satan with "the producers" or something like that. The world as presented by the media is just a big show, and the producers of that show win when you watch it. They don't care if you cheer for the good guys or the bad guys. They don't care who you phone in to vote for. They don't care if you see past the surface plot of the show down to the more subtle underlying plot, or the one beneath that, or beneath that. As long as you get into the show and take it seriously, they are winning.

As long as you fear something or hate something or love something or desire something in the "world as presented by the media" then you're easy to stick into a little demographic group with the others and they know how to lead you around with the particular carrot that you will follow. Then they pit the other groups against you and once have enemies you'll be willing to give your life to fight or your money and power to defend against your enemies (who are just people doing the same thing.)

[gunDriller]

I will no longer be running around here saying "It's the jews", because by doing that, I am doing satans work by making people hate jews.

It is the luciferians.


when someone here says "it's the Jews", we all know they're talking about the Talmud Worshipping Luciferians.

if your goal is to communicate, which is more clear - "it's the Jews" (in Hollywood, in Central Banking, in the US Government), or "it's the Luciferians" ?

most people, if you say, "it's the Luciferians", may require an explanation.

though one aspect i notice is - it does seem like most of the male members belong to the Bohemian Club.


which does raise a question - is there a companion Lady Luciferian club to go with the Bohemian Club, Skull & Bones, etc. ?

[sirgonzo420]

I will no longer be running around here saying "It's the jews", because by doing that, I am doing satans work by making people hate jews.

It is the luciferians.


when someone here says "it's the Jews", we all know they're talking about the Talmud Worshipping Luciferians.

if your goal is to communicate, which is more clear - "it's the Jews" (in Hollywood, in Central Banking, in the US Government), or "it's the Luciferians" ?

most people, if you say, "it's the Luciferians", may require an explanation.

though one aspect i notice is - it does seem like most of the male members belong to the Bohemian Club.


which does raise a question - is there a companion Lady Luciferian club to go with the Bohemian Club, Skull & Bones, etc. ?


Yep... It's called "Belizean Grove"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belizean_Grove

It consists of Goldman Sachs executives and their ilk... the Grove was brought to my attention when the "wise latina" Sonia Sotormayor was being confirmed in Congress.

[mrnhtbr2232]

Awoke: Caveat Emptor in your journey of discovery.

[Nordmann]

No no. You got it all wrong its the bohemian grove, illuminati and the germanic death cults.

You should listen to Alex Jones more often.

HERP DERP.

[Book]

This of course will reflect badly on their group as a whole, although in reality every individual is an individual soul and will be judged without regard to what group they were a member of, when their day comes.



"God's Chosen People" is a group. God said it. I believe Him. End of story.

You calling God a liar?

:D

[Book]

So then be very vigilant and observant, but try not to judge, for that is God's domain. I find it makes it easier for me.



You are confusing judgement with discernment. So is Awoke.

[keehah]

I discern your dropping back deeper in denial wanting to warm to your Abrahamic control meme's father.

Like the battered wife who keeps sleeping with her hated husband. As bad as it is she cannot imagine leaving.

[7th trump]

Ye are of your father.

Who was the father of Cain according to the dead sea scrolls? None other than Sammael.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TxHZBvAtUQ

Correct!
Cain was the first murderer.
And as the title of the video says, there is more than one Adam.
The Bible doesnt give much in detail as the translaters mistranslated it, but the original manuscripts say there is the 6th day creation "Adam" (the races; Negro, Mexican, Asian, ect) and then after resting for a day an 8th day creation pronounced "Ehha adom" (the caucasian race) which Christ would come through.

[Book]

These people are luciferians who are saying they are jews, but they are not truly God chosen people. They are carrying out the devils work, and masking themselves as jews, so that the people who are paying attention will begin to hate the jews.



But...but...but in your OP you don't want to be a "hater" anymore. Even on the evil Luciferians.

|--0--| love the luciferians brother because that will make you "feel" all warm and fuzzy. hatin on the evil Luciferians will make you "feel" guilty.

[Tumbleweed]

Rationalization does not change the fact that most Jews identify with their group and as a cohesive whole they act in unison. This does not mean you must hate individual Jews. Just hate the things they have brought to fruition in their arrogance and ignorance.


Well said Woodman.

I don't hate Jews but I will struggle against them and the teachings of the Talmud. They denied Jesus was god and they still do. God offered them salvation through Jesus but they rejected him. Brother Nathanael has set a good example for the Jews. He rejected Jewery and the Talmud then chose christianity. I believe Brother Nathanael is doing the work of Jesus in trying to bring those who are lost to reconciliation with God. I believe that is what we all should be doing. Not exposing their works, their beliefs written in the Talmud and calling them Jews only helps them to hide. It does them no favor and may cost them the opportunity to see the light and accept Jesus as their savior. When you shine a light of truth on them they hide behind anti-semitism and accuse others of hatred.


Be careful Awoke. Don't help them hide by not shinning the light of truth on them or by not identifying them as Jews. I believe it's our duty as christians to lead others to God through the salvation offered to all of us by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ our savior. That is an act of love not hatred.

[7th trump]

Yes, the jews aka fake Judeans are Canaanites which resulted from Esau giving up his birthright.

The fake Judeans get their role model from their father whos coming as a fake christ at the 6th trumpet. satan appearence on this earth is the 6th trumpet just as the last or 7th trumpet is the return of the real Christ.
The 6th trumpet, 6th seal and 6th vial are what is better known as 666.

A Trumpet is an event like Christs return.
A Vial is Gods rath being poured out.
And a Seal is learning. (all seals are opened (AKA: learned and understood for those who have ears to listen) before one trumpet is sounded)

[bellevuebully]

So then be very vigilant and observant, but try not to judge, for that is God's domain. I find it makes it easier for me.



You are confusing judgement with discernment. So is Awoke.


What Awoke is not confusing is that he realizes he doesn't have all the answers. In realizing this, he seems keenly aware that he is accountable for his actions. Actions have consequences. They have for the Jews (read the bible and you will see this) and they will for you and I and everyone else who is and has lived on this earth and will one day meet Jesus Christ face to face.

If anything, he is being extremely discerning in the fact that God is soveriegn and more than capable to judge where he can not. Again, I applaude him greatly for that.

[Book]

I have to admit it is an EXTREMELY complicated issue with many layers of deceit. In the end, we simply are not smart enough to be able to comprehend it fully because we are not at the same level, at least IQ wise, of our enemy.



http://farm1.static.flickr.com/73/194170987_7e75805861.jpg

http://www.alhewar.org/Lebanon/Bombed_out_neighborhood.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/57/198097211_e489d8b6a3.jpg

Jews smart. Goyim dumb?

"Israel" carpet bombed Lebanon in 2006 and didn't even try to discern who were the "terrorists" and who were the innocent men, women, and children. They carpet bombed city blocks of apartment buildings. They did the same thing in Gaza in 2009. They used American F-15s and artillery on those apartment buildings. They used cluster bombs.

And here is Awoke today agonizing over discerning who is a nice good jew and who is an evil luciferian so he can't be called a "hater" by jews...lol.

:D

[Neuro]

I am not sure how calling Jews, Luciferians actually changes anything... They still have the same recruitment base... Anyhow hate will mainly consume you, not your enemy, whatever the label you prefer to use on it. Stay cool, focus on what is right. And expose what is wrong.

[Book]

I am not sure how calling Jews, Luciferians actually changes anything... They still have the same recruitment base... Anyhow hate will mainly consume you, not your enemy, whatever the label you prefer to use on it. Stay cool, focus on what is right. And expose what is wrong.



Exactly. This thread just proves how effective the jew "you are a hater" meme is.

[Horn]

"Israel" carpet bombed Lebanon in 2006 and didn't even try to discern who were the "terrorists" and who were the innocent men, women, and children.

That was the work of the IDF, no reason not to hate them.

They don't accept Islamic recruits.

[Neuro]

I am not sure how calling Jews, Luciferians actually changes anything... They still have the same recruitment base... Anyhow hate will mainly consume you, not your enemy, whatever the label you prefer to use on it. Stay cool, focus on what is right. And expose what is wrong.



Exactly. This thread just proves how effective the jew "you are a hater" meme is.

Whenever someone who tells the truth is told "you are a hater", they work for the enemy!

[bellevuebully]

Be careful Awoke. Don't help them hide by not shinning the light of truth on them or by not identifying them as Jews. I believe it's our duty as christians to lead others to God through the salvation offered to all of us by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ our savior. That is an act of love not hatred.


It's amazing. As I read through all of the new testement, including the gospels, not once do I see a hint of admonishment or encouragement to seek out jews and oust them for their deviousness. I see a lot of other duties identified there, but not that one. If it was our duty, maybe someone would have inferred that somewhere in the gospel or the nt writings.

Hmm. I looked again, and still did not find anything. Maybe, you are of your father, the devil?

[SLV^GLD]

Hate no man for hatred of a man is a decay for your soul and brings suffering upon yourself. Hatred paralyzes rational thought. Hate the action of the man but not the man himself. In this way your angers are offered up to your Higher Power for whom judgement is reserved. Rational thought is then given the freedom to show you the path known as Peace. There is no way to Peace for Peace is the way.

[Neuro]

I have to admit it is an EXTREMELY complicated issue with many layers of deceit. In the end, we simply are not smart enough to be able to comprehend it fully because we are not at the same level, at least IQ wise, of our enemy


Who are we, and who is the enemy Jason?

[Horn]

It's amazing. As I read through all of the new testement, including the gospels, not once do I see a hint of admonishment or encouragement to seek out jews and oust them for their deviousness.

That would be like me writing a book to discredit goldbugs.

[General of Darkness]

I hate everyone. ;D

[bellevuebully]

I have to admit it is an EXTREMELY complicated issue with many layers of deceit. In the end, we simply are not smart enough to be able to comprehend it fully because we are not at the same level, at least IQ wise, of our enemy.



http://farm1.static.flickr.com/73/194170987_7e75805861.jpg

http://www.alhewar.org/Lebanon/Bombed_out_neighborhood.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/57/198097211_e489d8b6a3.jpg

Jews smart. Goyim dumb?

"Israel" carpet bombed Lebanon in 2006 and didn't even try to discern who were the "terrorists" and who were the innocent men, women, and children. They carpet bombed city blocks of apartment buildings. They did the same thing in Gaza in 2009. They used American F-15s and artillery on those apartment buildings. They used cluster bombs.

And here is Awoke today agonizing over discerning who is a nice good jew and who is an evil luciferian so he can't be called a "hater" by jews...lol.

:D









You only see what you want to see.

[bellevuebully]

It's amazing. As I read through all of the new testement, including the gospels, not once do I see a hint of admonishment or encouragement to seek out jews and oust them for their deviousness.

That would be like me writing a book to discredit goldbugs.


You don't claim to be a Christian. Tumbleweed does. Big difference. So not quite.

[bellevuebully]

I hate everyone. ;D


That was funny.

[sirgonzo420]

I have to admit it is an EXTREMELY complicated issue with many layers of deceit. In the end, we simply are not smart enough to be able to comprehend it fully because we are not at the same level, at least IQ wise, of our enemy.



http://farm1.static.flickr.com/73/194170987_7e75805861.jpg

http://www.alhewar.org/Lebanon/Bombed_out_neighborhood.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/57/198097211_e489d8b6a3.jpg

Jews smart. Goyim dumb?

"Israel" carpet bombed Lebanon in 2006 and didn't even try to discern who were the "terrorists" and who were the innocent men, women, and children. They carpet bombed city blocks of apartment buildings. They did the same thing in Gaza in 2009. They used American F-15s and artillery on those apartment buildings. They used cluster bombs.

And here is Awoke today agonizing over discerning who is a nice good jew and who is an evil luciferian so he can't be called a "hater" by jews...lol.

:D









You only see what you want to see.






True enough!


But keep in mind that although the people doing the writing on the bombs may be different, the group that caused both wars is the same.

[bellevuebully]

But keep in mind that although the people doing the writing on the bombs may be different, the group that caused both wars is the same.


Human beings. Or are you seriously saying that jews are responsible for every heinous act of mankind down through history? Because you are surely implying that. Nobody is sticking a gun to anyones head and saying 'write something nasty on that bomb before you drop it on innocents'.

But really, the point of the post was that when Book goes looking for pictures, he overlooks the ones that contradict his message, but apply perfectly. That is either blindness or malicious ignorance.

[Neuro]

But keep in mind that although the people doing the writing on the bombs may be different, the group that caused both ALL wars is the same.
Corrected it for you!

[Horn]

It's amazing. As I read through all of the new testement, including the gospels, not once do I see a hint of admonishment or encouragement to seek out jews and oust them for their deviousness.

That would be like me writing a book to discredit goldbugs.


You don't claim to be a Christian. Tumbleweed does. Big difference. So not quite.


A pre-requisite to Christianity is jewish recognition?

[Book]

I have to admit it is an EXTREMELY complicated issue with many layers of deceit. In the end, we simply are not smart enough to be able to comprehend it fully because we are not at the same level, at least IQ wise, of our enemy.



http://farm1.static.flickr.com/73/194170987_7e75805861.jpg

http://www.alhewar.org/Lebanon/Bombed_out_neighborhood.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/57/198097211_e489d8b6a3.jpg

Jews smart. Goyim dumb?

"Israel" carpet bombed Lebanon in 2006 and didn't even try to discern who were the "terrorists" and who were the innocent men, women, and children. They carpet bombed city blocks of apartment buildings. They did the same thing in Gaza in 2009. They used American F-15s and artillery on those apartment buildings. They used cluster bombs.

And here is Awoke today agonizing over discerning who is a nice good jew and who is an evil luciferian so he can't be called a "hater" by jews...lol.

:D



You only see what you want to see.



I see that jews do believe in COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT and make no effort to distinguish between the "good goyim" and the "bad goyim". They carpet bomb everybody.

What do you see looking at those photos of Lebanon bellevuebully?

:)

[bellevuebully]

But keep in mind that although the people doing the writing on the bombs may be different, the group that caused both ALL wars is the same.
Corrected it for you!


Wow. Omniscience! Why didn't you say something sooner. You are implying that you know indefinitely everything about everything down through history with that statement.

I gave you a lot more credit than that Neuro. Bahhhh!

[JDRock]

As long as the Jews use the Talmud as their book, they will be the source of the problem.

The main tenants of that book are hatred and Jews are the superior race.


and the spirit of the book is ; " the end justifies the means"......and as henley sings," no wrong, no right, no shame no remorse ......no retribution...its just people selling tshirts....opportunity to participate in this pathetic little circus, and winning....winning...winning"

[Book]

But really, the point of the post was that when Book goes looking for pictures, he overlooks the ones that contradict his message, but apply perfectly.That is either blindness or malicious ignorance.



That's what they call "discernment" you insult-spewing hater.

:D

[sirgonzo420]

But keep in mind that although the people doing the writing on the bombs may be different, the group that caused both wars is the same.


Human beings. Or are you seriously saying that jews are responsible for every heinous act of mankind down through history? Because you are surely implying that. Nobody is sticking a gun to anyones head and saying 'write something nasty on that bomb before you drop it on innocents'.

But really, the point of the post was that when Book goes looking for pictures, he overlooks the ones that contradict his message, but apply perfectly. That is either blindness or malicious ignorance.


No, I'm not implying that jews are responsible for every heinous act of mankind down through history, but that some "jews" surely have MORE than a say in US foreign policy today, and that this influence on US actions is not a new one.

You are correct in that people can be assholes and write notes on bombs and whatnot, but war is hell, and such is war. One thing perhaps worthy of note is the fact that the american bombs were written on by soldiers; people who kill for a living anyway. The israeli bombs were written on by little israeli kids. Someone obviously provided them access to the bombs just so they could write on them.

I see what you were getting at with your little jab at book... people see what they want to see, and ignore the rest. I agree with that.

[bellevuebully]

It's amazing. As I read through all of the new testement, including the gospels, not once do I see a hint of admonishment or encouragement to seek out jews and oust them for their deviousness.

That would be like me writing a book to discredit goldbugs.


You don't claim to be a Christian. Tumbleweed does. Big difference. So not quite.


A pre-requisite to Christianity is jewish recognition?


No. A prerequisite to Christianity is understanding the truth of the gospel and the spiritual work of the the Jesus Christ. So you commenting on the truth of the bible would be like Bernanke espousing the virtues of sound money.

Nice straw man though. Where do you store them all?

[Book]

Human beings.



http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pEfVJ93Cwa8/StkiQsA2t9I/AAAAAAAAB6I/IZe01oBvun4/s400/settler-kids-guns.jpg
Let's go git us some more Palestinian real estate for our tribe boys!

[Neuro]

But keep in mind that although the people doing the writing on the bombs may be different, the group that caused both ALL wars is the same.
Corrected it for you!


Wow. Omniscience! Why didn't you say something sooner. You are implying that you know indefinitely everything about everything down through history with that statement.

I gave you a lot more credit than that Neuro. Bahhhh!

I guess I am a hater now! Thank you for pointing out my mistake! I actually only meant that they financed every major war the last 2 centuries or so... My bad!

[Horn]

No. A prerequisite to Christianity is understanding the truth of the gospel and the spiritual work of the the Jesus Christ. So you commenting on the truth of the bible would be like Bernanke espousing the virtues of sound money.

Nice straw man though. Where do you store them all?


When were you baptized?

[dys]

I dug and dug and dug, and I found the head of the Octopus: Jewry.
As first I was taken aback and I was stand-offish from that prospect. I started reading all sorts of Materials that led me through the winding labriynth of deception. Years of brainwashing had me thinking "The Jews are God's chosen and we must support them".

Labriynth is an occultic term. If you find yourself wading through labriynths or getting to the next 'level', chances are you in the wrong place.

dys

[bellevuebully]

but that some "jews" surely have MORE than a say in US foreign policy today


Someone does. If I understand his comments correctly, that is what I think Awoke was getting at. Just because they say they are jews doesn't mean they are. The talmud is a man made work and has nothing to do with the ot. It would be like saying mormons are Christians when they're primary document is the Book of Mormon and then going out and saying Christianity is a big lie (insert opportunistic comment here). Jesus was a jew, and Christianity was born out of a jewish background. Misleading people to dispising jews through use of broadbrushed statements is certainly, as Awoke put it, most unchristian. I agree with that wholeheartedly.



The israeli bombs were written on by little israeli kids. Someone obviously provided them access to the bombs just so they could write on them.


The intent is no different. Just the image it leaves us with. Ignoring it only waters down the facts.

[Book]

I guess I am a hater now!



http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/img/ADL-propaganda-sign.jpg

:D be gone hater!

[bellevuebully]

No. A prerequisite to Christianity is understanding the truth of the gospel and the spiritual work of the the Jesus Christ. So you commenting on the truth of the bible would be like Bernanke espousing the virtues of sound money.

Nice straw man though. Where do you store them all?


When were you baptized?


If I ever noted any tone of genuine intent in any of the posts I have ever read of yours with regard to one's faith in Jesus Christ I would be glad to answer. But truly, the answer you deserve is...none of your business.

[G2Rad]

Non-Christian people (Luciferians), be they Jews or Germans or Irish or Chinese share the same master and commander in chief, even Satan himself.

Luciferians are majority of population of this country. In fact, many members of this forum are Luciferians.

[Book]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qUFDMUpk9jE/SwJ65Z4TWwI/AAAAAAAAa5U/XqWSPW3UPeQ/s400/abe_foxman_adl_0609.jpg
"We spend $50 Million every year protecting Luciferians."

[Ponce]

One way to help EVERYONE to know the difference between the Zionist and the real Jews of the Bible is to call the Zionist what they are ZIONIST and the real Jews Jews.

First post of the day............good morning to one and all.

[bellevuebully]

I guess I am a hater now! Thank you for pointing out my mistake! I actually only meant that they financed every major war the last 2 centuries or so... My bad!
[/quote]

No Neuro. You just chose to state something overly dramatic as a deflection instead of just admitting that you in fact do not know all the facts, as your statement claimed.

For your recollection.....' the group that caused both ALL wars is the same.' If that is not what you meant, say what you mean. That is how facts get misconstrued, which is the point of this thread.

[bellevuebully]

One way to help EVERYONE to know the difference between the Zionist and the real Jews of the Bible is to call the Zionist what they are ZIONIST and the real Jews Jews.

First post of the day............good morning to one and all.


Thanks for your input Ponce. You and I have had our back and forths, but I do appreciate your input. I would go one step further, from a Christian point of view. There are zionist jews and there are zionist jew imposters which have nothing to do with zionism or judaism. They are purely a form of imposterism.

Zionist jews would be jews who recognize that through prophecy God has chosen Jeruselem as his city. I don't know why and neither do they. But they believe in his prophetic word, and when it says Jeruselem will be a place where he will gather his remnant to, they believe it and respect it. They also believe it is God and not they that will make it happen. In other words, they are not willing to hate others and act in hate towards others in order to expedite the process. They just believe that God will, in his soveriegnty, see it through.

Zionist jew imposters are a group of people that have ridden on the coattails of something sacred for gain, and they will be held accountable. Not by you and not by me. Jesus mentioned them several times and said he would deal with them justly. He also said be anxious for nothing, as he is fully in control of the situation.

[Low Pan]

but that some "jews" surely have MORE than a say in US foreign policy today


It would be like saying mormons are Christians when they're primary document is the Book of Mormon and then going out and saying Christianity is a big lie (insert opportunistic comment here).




I was raised Mormon when I was a child but these days I do not drag myself down by labeling myself w/ a religion and try to study them all. The Mormon's primary book is the Bible, then the Book of Mormon, then the Doctrine and Convenants and the Pearl of Great Price. They're Sunday Service and Sunday School etc is 98% of the time about the Bible etc. Same Bible most everyone else uses. I even had to do 5a semminary and it was 100% the Bible. Joe Smith was barley mentioned.

[undgrd]

Human beings.



http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pEfVJ93Cwa8/StkiQsA2t9I/AAAAAAAAB6I/IZe01oBvun4/s400/settler-kids-guns.jpg
Let's go git us some more Palestinian real estate for our tribe boys!


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[G2Rad]

Awoke, thank you for sharing your story.

I've seen false Christians who strongly convinced that they cannot be wrong in anything ever. Such people believe that the indwelling of the Holy Spirit makes them unable to err. Infallibility is synonymous with god-nes. Such false Christians are nothing but demon-possesed little “gods” living.

Your story is a testimony to the fact that "being guided into all truth" (John 16:13) is not an instantaneous illumination into all-knowing always-right state, but a process that requires determination, conviction to study, prayer and a lot of thinking on the part of the saved man.

[sirgonzo420]

but that some "jews" surely have MORE than a say in US foreign policy today


It would be like saying mormons are Christians when they're primary document is the Book of Mormon and then going out and saying Christianity is a big lie (insert opportunistic comment here).




I was raised Mormon when I was a child but these days I do not drag myself down by labeling myself w/ a religion and try to study them all. The Mormon's primary book is the Bible, then the Book of Mormon, then the Doctrine and Convenants and the Pearl of Great Price. They're Sunday Service and Sunday School etc is 98% of the time about the Bible etc. Same Bible most everyone else uses. I even had to do 5a semminary and it was 100% the Bible. Joe Smith was barley mentioned.


But don't Mormons believe this also...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cuh0eA19PKg

[Low Pan]

but that some "jews" surely have MORE than a say in US foreign policy today


It would be like saying mormons are Christians when they're primary document is the Book of Mormon and then going out and saying Christianity is a big lie (insert opportunistic comment here).




I was raised Mormon when I was a child but these days I do not drag myself down by labeling myself w/ a religion and try to study them all. The Mormon's primary book is the Bible, then the Book of Mormon, then the Doctrine and Convenants and the Pearl of Great Price. They're Sunday Service and Sunday School etc is 98% of the time about the Bible etc. Same Bible most everyone else uses. I even had to do 5a semminary and it was 100% the Bible. Joe Smith was barley mentioned.


But don't Mormons believe this also...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cuh0eA19PKg



Didn't watch the vid but if it is about the discovering of the gold plates, they're told about it but it's not like a brainwashing or everyday occurence. Like I said Joe Smith was barely mentioned. At least at my church as a child it was all about the Bible (attended from 3yrs old to 16yrs old). My church was set in a mailny suburban area too. They believe in the father, jesus, holy spirit.

If Moses could come down with Tablets from God, why can't Joe Smith be "led" to discover gold plates hidden by God/Angels? To believe either scenario you have to beleive God played a role. If God played a role pretty much anything is possible IMO.


edit: but anyway, my point was that his thinking about Mormons and their teachings (or method of teaching rather) was off. Just giving some him insider info as it was evident he was not privy to this info prior.

edit2: lmao< i've also seem some wack ass sh!t from youtube RE Mormons, one friend was in absolute belief that Mormons believed humans came from aliens and worshipped a different God because of a youtube video. I was like wow, after 13yrs of going to 2-3hr Sunday masses getting the "BIBLE" jammed down my throat not once did this come up. I guess he knew better than someone that went every Sunday for 13yrs. Funny thing is, I brought it up when he was last in town a couple months ago and he flat out denied he ever said it. Then my older brother, said really? it's funny because I kept the link and email. Busted LOL.

[nunaem]

Anyhow hate will mainly consume you, not your enemy, whatever the label you prefer to use on it. Stay cool, focus on what is right. And expose what is wrong.


Hate is entirely natural, useful and healthy. Any struggle comes down to will power, tenacity and ruthlessness to win. Hatred provides all three. That is the reason soldiers are trained to hate and dehumanize their enemies, it works.
Hatred should be a weapon in everybody's arsenal, perhaps the main weapon.

[sirgonzo420]

but that some "jews" surely have MORE than a say in US foreign policy today


It would be like saying mormons are Christians when they're primary document is the Book of Mormon and then going out and saying Christianity is a big lie (insert opportunistic comment here).




I was raised Mormon when I was a child but these days I do not drag myself down by labeling myself w/ a religion and try to study them all. The Mormon's primary book is the Bible, then the Book of Mormon, then the Doctrine and Convenants and the Pearl of Great Price. They're Sunday Service and Sunday School etc is 98% of the time about the Bible etc. Same Bible most everyone else uses. I even had to do 5a semminary and it was 100% the Bible. Joe Smith was barley mentioned.


But don't Mormons believe this also...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cuh0eA19PKg



Didn't watch the vid but if it is about the discovering of the gold plates, they're told about it but it's not like a brainwashing or everyday occurence. Like I said Joe Smith was barely mentioned. At least at my church as a child it was all about the Bible (attended from 3yrs old to 16yrs old). My church was set in a mailny suburban area too. They believe in the father, jesus, holy spirit.

If Moses could come down with Tablets from God, why can't Joe Smith be "led" to discover gold plates hidden by God/Angels? To believe either scenario you have to beleive God played a role. If God played a role pretty much anything is possible IMO.


but anyway, my point was that his thinking about Mormons and their teachings (or method of teaching rather) was off. Just giving some him insider info as it was evident he was not privy to this info prior.



Does this sound about right?


from http://carm.org/mormonism-in-a-nutshell


Mormonism in a Nutshell

by Matt Slick

Mormonism teaches that God used to be a man on another world and that he became a god by following the laws and ordinances of his god on his home world. He brought his wife to this world, a woman he had married on the other world. She is, essentially a goddess.

In his present god-state, he rules our world. He has a body of flesh and bones. Since god and his wife are both exalted persons, they each possess physical bodies. In their exalted states as deities, they produce spirit children that grow and mature in the spiritual realm. The first spirit born was Jesus. Afterwards Lucifer was born along with the rest of us. So, Mormonism teaches that we all pre-existed in the spirit realm having been produced from the union of god and his goddess wife. Therefore, we all existed in spirit form before coming down and entering the bodies of human babies that are being born on earth. During this ‘compression' into the infant state, the memories of their pre-existence is 'veiled.'

God the father, who is called Elohim, was concerned for the future salvation of the people on earth. In the heavenly realm, the Father had a plan for the salvation of the world. Jesus endorsed the Father's plan. Lucifer did not. Lucifer became jealous and rebelled. In his rebellion he convinced a large portion of the spirits existing in heaven to side with him and oppose god. God being more powerful then they, cursed these rebellious spirits to become demons. They can never be born in human bodies.

The remaining spirits sided with God. Since they chose the better way, when it comes time for them to live on earth, they have the privilege of being born in races and locations that are relative to their condition and choice made in the spirit realm.1

In the Mormon plan of salvation there needed to be a savior: Jesus. But Jesus was a spirit in heaven. For him to be born on earth, Brigham Young the second prophet of the Mormon church said that instead of letting any other man do it, God the Father did it with Mary. He said that the birth of our savior was as natural as the birth of our parents. Essentially, what this means is that Brigham Young taught that god the father came down and had relations with Mary, his spirit daughter, to produce the body of Jesus. Though many Mormons will not entertain such incestuous thoughts about God and Mary, this is what Brigham Young taught and as far as we know, this has not been denied by the Mormon church.

Nevertheless, Jesus was born, got married, and had children.2 He died on the cross and paid for sins -- but not on the cross only. According to Mormonism, the atonement of Christ was not only on the cross. It began in the Garden of Gethsemane before he went to the cross.

In Mormonism, men and women have the potential of becoming gods. President Lorenzo Snow said, "As god once was, man is. As God is, man may become." In order to reach this exalted state of godhood, a person must first become a good Mormon, pay a full ten percent tithe to the Mormon church, follow various laws and ordinances of the church, and be found worthy. At this point, they receive a temple recommend, whereupon the Mormon is allowed to enter their sacred temples in order to go through a set of secret rituals: baptism for the dead, celestial marriage, and various oaths of secrecy and commitment. Additionally, four secret handshakes are taught so the believing Mormon, upon entering the third level of Mormon heaven, can shake hands with god in a certain pattern. This celestial ritual is for the purpose of permitting entrance into the highest level of heaven.3 For those who achieve this highest of heavens, exaltation to godhood awaits them. Then he or she will be permitted to have his or her own planet and be the god of his own world and the Mormon system will be expanded to other planets.

[Low Pan]

but that some "jews" surely have MORE than a say in US foreign policy today


It would be like saying mormons are Christians when they're primary document is the Book of Mormon and then going out and saying Christianity is a big lie (insert opportunistic comment here).




I was raised Mormon when I was a child but these days I do not drag myself down by labeling myself w/ a religion and try to study them all. The Mormon's primary book is the Bible, then the Book of Mormon, then the Doctrine and Convenants and the Pearl of Great Price. They're Sunday Service and Sunday School etc is 98% of the time about the Bible etc. Same Bible most everyone else uses. I even had to do 5a semminary and it was 100% the Bible. Joe Smith was barley mentioned.


But don't Mormons believe this also...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cuh0eA19PKg



Didn't watch the vid but if it is about the discovering of the gold plates, they're told about it but it's not like a brainwashing or everyday occurence. Like I said Joe Smith was barely mentioned. At least at my church as a child it was all about the Bible (attended from 3yrs old to 16yrs old). My church was set in a mailny suburban area too. They believe in the father, jesus, holy spirit.

If Moses could come down with Tablets from God, why can't Joe Smith be "led" to discover gold plates hidden by God/Angels? To believe either scenario you have to beleive God played a role. If God played a role pretty much anything is possible IMO.


but anyway, my point was that his thinking about Mormons and their teachings (or method of teaching rather) was off. Just giving some him insider info as it was evident he was not privy to this info prior.



Does this sound about right?


from http://carm.org/mormonism-in-a-nutshell


Mormonism in a Nutshell

by Matt Slick

Mormonism teaches that God used to be a man on another world and that he became a god by following the laws and ordinances of his god on his home world. He brought his wife to this world, a woman he had married on the other world. She is, essentially a goddess.

In his present god-state, he rules our world. He has a body of flesh and bones. Since god and his wife are both exalted persons, they each possess physical bodies. In their exalted states as deities, they produce spirit children that grow and mature in the spiritual realm. The first spirit born was Jesus. Afterwards Lucifer was born along with the rest of us. So, Mormonism teaches that we all pre-existed in the spirit realm having been produced from the union of god and his goddess wife. Therefore, we all existed in spirit form before coming down and entering the bodies of human babies that are being born on earth. During this ‘compression' into the infant state, the memories of their pre-existence is 'veiled.'

God the father, who is called Elohim, was concerned for the future salvation of the people on earth. In the heavenly realm, the Father had a plan for the salvation of the world. Jesus endorsed the Father's plan. Lucifer did not. Lucifer became jealous and rebelled. In his rebellion he convinced a large portion of the spirits existing in heaven to side with him and oppose god. God being more powerful then they, cursed these rebellious spirits to become demons. They can never be born in human bodies.

The remaining spirits sided with God. Since they chose the better way, when it comes time for them to live on earth, they have the privilege of being born in races and locations that are relative to their condition and choice made in the spirit realm.1

In the Mormon plan of salvation there needed to be a savior: Jesus. But Jesus was a spirit in heaven. For him to be born on earth, Brigham Young the second prophet of the Mormon church said that instead of letting any other man do it, God the Father did it with Mary. He said that the birth of our savior was as natural as the birth of our parents. Essentially, what this means is that Brigham Young taught that god the father came down and had relations with Mary, his spirit daughter, to produce the body of Jesus. Though many Mormons will not entertain such incestuous thoughts about God and Mary, this is what Brigham Young taught and as far as we know, this has not been denied by the Mormon church.

Nevertheless, Jesus was born, got married, and had children.2 He died on the cross and paid for sins -- but not on the cross only. According to Mormonism, the atonement of Christ was not only on the cross. It began in the Garden of Gethsemane before he went to the cross.

In Mormonism, men and women have the potential of becoming gods. President Lorenzo Snow said, "As god once was, man is. As God is, man may become." In order to reach this exalted state of godhood, a person must first become a good Mormon, pay a full ten percent tithe to the Mormon church, follow various laws and ordinances of the church, and be found worthy. At this point, they receive a temple recommend, whereupon the Mormon is allowed to enter their sacred temples in order to go through a set of secret rituals: baptism for the dead, celestial marriage, and various oaths of secrecy and commitment. Additionally, four secret handshakes are taught so the believing Mormon, upon entering the third level of Mormon heaven, can shake hands with god in a certain pattern. This celestial ritual is for the purpose of permitting entrance into the highest level of heaven.3 For those who achieve this highest of heavens, exaltation to godhood awaits them. Then he or she will be permitted to have his or her own planet and be the god of his own world and the Mormon system will be expanded to other planets.



lmao, not even close. Look at my edit2 in prev post, man lughing IRL now :ROFL:

[Tumbleweed]

Be careful Awoke. Don't help them hide by not shinning the light of truth on them or by not identifying them as Jews. I believe it's our duty as christians to lead others to God through the salvation offered to all of us by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ our savior. That is an act of love not hatred.


It's amazing. As I read through all of the new testement, including the gospels, not once do I see a hint of admonishment or encouragement to seek out jews and oust them for their deviousness. I see a lot of other duties identified there, but not that one. If it was our duty, maybe someone would have inferred that somewhere in the gospel or the nt writings.

Hmm. I looked again, and still did not find anything. Maybe, you are of your father, the devil?


Bellvubully I didn't say it said that in the new testament.

We are commanded to love one another and I believe it is an act of love to reach out to the Jews when the opportunity presents itself or at least point out the error of their ways. Also to inform fellow christians about them so they arn't led away.

[Tumbleweed]

It's amazing. As I read through all of the new testement, including the gospels, not once do I see a hint of admonishment or encouragement to seek out jews and oust them for their deviousness.

That would be like me writing a book to discredit goldbugs.


You don't claim to be a Christian. Tumbleweed does. Big difference. So not quite.


I am a follower of Jesus Christ. What are you?

[Horn]

If anything this thread is proving JC's primary role as heretic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_GBwuYuOOs

[Nitz]

I have to admit it is an EXTREMELY complicated issue with many layers of deceit. In the end, we simply are not smart enough to be able to comprehend it fully because we are not at the same level, at least IQ wise, of our enemy




Jason, still waiting for your reply to the question posed to you...who is "we" and who is the enemy. Also, could you give us a general IQ number you believe "we" average, and the number that the "enemy" averages? Thanks...just curious ;D

[Neuro]

I guess I am a hater now! Thank you for pointing out my mistake! I actually only meant that they financed every major war the last 2 centuries or so... My bad!


No Neuro. You just chose to state something overly dramatic as a deflection instead of just admitting that you in fact do not know all the facts, as your statement claimed.

For your recollection.....' the group that caused both ALL wars is the same.' If that is not what you meant, say what you mean. That is how facts get misconstrued, which is the point of this thread.
[/quote] True I don't have facts to support the statement, nevertheless I do think it is true. Which major war the last 2 centuries don't you think is in accordance of my statement? I admit I can be wrong, and if I am I will apologize, for stepping on tender toes...

[keehah]

http://www.revoltoftheplebs.com/categories/rogues-gallery/up-is-down-gingrich-says-us-is-run-by-anti-jewish-elite/

Former House Speaker and Republican presidential candidate, Newt Gingrich, has said the United States under President Obama is “dominated by a secular, anti-Christian and anti-Jewish elite.”

“Until you replace this president and until you have the Congress and the new president replace large parts of our bureaucracies, we’re going to continue to be dominated by a secular, anti-Christian and anti-Jewish elite, which is seeking to impose on us rules that make zero sense,” Gingrich said at the American Family Association’s pastors’ policy briefing in Iowa on March 25.

The statement came from a question about confronting Sharia law in America, reports Politico. Gingrich said that American leadership was “so afraid to tell the truth” and “timid” that it did not prosecute the Pakistani Muslim who planted a bomb in Times Square last year.

“I simply suggest that every church in the country announce there is a new principle that visiting Bethlehem every year for three weeks is an important part of your devotion,” Gingrich said to applause.

“The whole thing collapses,” he added. “It’s an absurdity. It’s part of this desperation of our secular elites to do everything they can to prove they are not anti-Muslim.”

[sirgonzo420]

http://www.revoltoftheplebs.com/categories/rogues-gallery/up-is-down-gingrich-says-us-is-run-by-anti-jewish-elite/

Former House Speaker and Republican presidential candidate, Newt Gingrich, has said the United States under President Obama is “dominated by a secular, anti-Christian and anti-Jewish elite.”

“Until you replace this president and until you have the Congress and the new president replace large parts of our bureaucracies, we’re going to continue to be dominated by a secular, anti-Christian and anti-Jewish elite, which is seeking to impose on us rules that make zero sense,” Gingrich said at the American Family Association’s pastors’ policy briefing in Iowa on March 25.

The statement came from a question about confronting Sharia law in America, reports Politico. Gingrich said that American leadership was “so afraid to tell the truth” and “timid” that it did not prosecute the Pakistani Muslim who planted a bomb in Times Square last year.

“I simply suggest that every church in the country announce there is a new principle that visiting Bethlehem every year for three weeks is an important part of your devotion,” Gingrich said to applause.

“The whole thing collapses,” he added. “It’s an absurdity. It’s part of this desperation of our secular elites to do everything they can to prove they are not anti-Muslim.”



lol... that's kinda funny seeing as how Obama's cabinet is pretty much entirely composed of "jews" (or at least those who call themselves such)


here's a partial list from, of all places, http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/images/title.gif

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/obamajews.html


Jews in the Obama Administration

David Axelrod (2009- ) Senior Advisor to the President
Jared Bernstein (2009- ) Chief Economist and Economic Policy Advisor to the Vice President
Rahm Emanuel (2009-2010) Chief of Staff
Lee Feinstein (2009) Campaign Foreign Policy Advisor
Gary Gensler (2009- ) Chair of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission
Elena Kagan (2009-2010) Solicitor General of the United States
Ronald Klain (2009- ) Chief of Staff to the Vice President
Jacob Lew (2010- ) Director of the Office of Management and Budget
Eric Lynn (2009- ) Middle East Policy Advisor
Peter Orszag (2009-2010) Director of the Office of Management and Budget
Dennis Ross (2009- ) Special Advisor for the Gulf and Southwest Asia to the Secretary of State
Mara Rudman (2009- ) Foreign Policy Advisor
Mary Schapiro (2009- ) Chair of the Securities and Exchange Commission
Dan Shapiro (2009- ) Head of Middle East desk at the National Security Council
Susan Sher (2009- ) First Lady's Chief of Staff
Gene Sperling (2011- ) Director National Economic Council
James B. Steinberg (2009- ) Deputy Secretary of State
Lawrence Summers (2009-2011 ) Director National Economic Council
Mona Sutphen (2009- ) Deputy White House Chief of Staff

[Book]

Hate is entirely natural, useful and healthy. Any struggle comes down to will power, tenacity and ruthlessness to win. Hatred provides all three. That is the reason soldiers are trained to hate and dehumanize their enemies, it works. Hatred should be a weapon in everybody's arsenal, perhaps the main weapon.



Israel is now one big lovefest since the jews moved in.

:D

[gunDriller]

Awoke is my real name.


gunDriller is my Indian name.

[willie pete]

One way to help EVERYONE to know the difference between the Zionist and the real Jews of the Bible is to call the Zionist what they are ZIONIST and the real Jews Jews.

First post of the day............good morning to one and all.



I've asked this before ponce....How do you tell them apart?

[Book]

I've asked this before ponce....How do you tell them apart?



Best question ever asked at GSUS. Who has an answer???

:)

[Horn]

One way to help EVERYONE to know the difference between the Zionist and the real Jews of the Bible is to call the Zionist what they are ZIONIST and the real Jews Jews.

First post of the day............good morning to one and all.



I've asked this before ponce....How do you tell them apart?


Why? There is another entire half of the world that is Zionist and are not jewish.

If you've singled out that half, you can be sure those jews will be included in it.

[Awoke]

You guys are getting heated up here. BellevueBully and Tumbleweed should be the last two people I see in disagreement with each other.

You are all missing it, Book especially, when it is so simple: They who say they are jews but are not.





Everyone is saying "The caused all the wars" and "they are carpet bombing lebanon", etc.

Just because a person wear a beanie and lives in israel does not make that person a jew, even if that person says that they are. It is part of the great deception.

That link that Learn2Swim posted on page one does a very good job of putting into words, what I have been feeling in my heart, and I don't think that any one of you will understand the struggle of understanding that I am going through until you read that page in full, and comprehend it in full.




To understand History, to understand the deeper meaning of current events, one must understand a fundamental fact: Jews are not the Tribe of Judah. Correctly, members of the Tribe of Judah are Judahites. That is, Judahites are of the Bloodline of Judah. Consequently, Jesus was not a "Jew," he was, correctly, a Judahite ("Yhuwdiy") of the Bloodline of Judah, a direct decedent of King David and an Israelite living in Galilee and so was a Galilean.

The idea that the Holy Bible and the Christian religion, if not wholly derived from "the Jews" then, at least, they owe them a great debt is one of the most pernicious lies foisted upon the world. The notion of Judaism being the "father" of both Christianity and Islam is not only very wrong but also very dangerous indeed.



and this is critical to what I am feeling:




Rabbi Stephen S Wise (1874-1949) formerly the Chief Rabbi of the United States and a modern day member of the Evil Jewish Leadership confirmed this:

"The return from Babylon and the introduction of the Babylonian Talmud mark the end of Hebrewism [Yahwehism] and the beginning of Judaism [Pharisaism]."

Wise correctly distinguished between the true religion of the Old Testament (what he called Hebrewism but is more properly Yahwehism) and the new religion forming in Babylon and brought to Judaea as Pharisaism (much later called Judaism). That is, he distinguished between the religion of the Ancient Hebrews -the true Israelites- and "the Jews."




Another critial part:




Before the 18th century, there was no such word as "Jew" in the Holy Bible. The word was first used by the 17th century English redactors of the King James Bible as a cognate of two other words. However, crucially, it has a different and contrary meaning to the two words it has replaced. One of the words referred to someone who was a Judahite, one who was born into the Tribe of Judah, and the other word described one who was a resident of Judaea. To be more precise, the word "Jew" was used by the English redactors interchangeably for three different racial groups. These are:

1. ISRAELITES of the House of Israel living in Judaea, the remnants of the Twelve Tribes.

2. JUDAHITES, or ISRAELITES of the House of Judah, one of the Twelve Tribes.

3. JUDAEANS (including Israelites and others but especially EDOMITES, the descendants of Esau) all residents of Judaea but especially those who were identified by Christ as "Jews" and "religious leaders" begotten "of your father the devil."

All authorities on the subject admit to this. For instance, the 1980 Jewish Almanac in its article entitled "A brief History of the Terms for Jew," states:

"Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an Ancient Israelite a 'Jew' or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew" (p. 3).

Thus, at the time of Christ's Flesh Mission on Earth all JUDAHITES were ISRAELITES but not all ISRAELITES were JUDAHITES, while very few JUDAEANS were either JUDAHITES or ISRAELITES.

In short: Jesus was not a "Jew." .... he was a Judahite .... of the Bloodline of Judah and a direct decedent of King David and so an Israelite ... and he lived in Galilee and not Judea.




So in actuality, as my quest morphs and proceeds, it is "The jew" that I am talking about still. The real difference is that when I say "The jew" I am not referring to Gods most loved people, who are Israelites/Judahites. When I speak of talmud/kabbalah-worshipping, babylonian-inspired luciferians, and am speaking of the Pharisaics who call themselves jews but are not.

Welcome to confusion. I think I would be best to refer to the conspirators as the Pharisaics from here on out. During the time of Jesus Christ himself, people recognized the difference between the the followers of the old testament and the pharisaics:




Judaism, the religion of "the Jews," is, admits Wise, based upon the Babylonian Talmud, which contains the supposed Oral Law. Moreover, an Oral Law that was never reduced to writing and made part of the Bible. Furthermore, it was this Oral Law that gradually gained greater force among "the Jews" than the Written Law (largely Mosaic Law) contained in the Old Testament. And moreover, a spiritual force that became a new religion in Jesus' day that not only often conflicted with the Written Law but directly opposed the religion of Christ.
In other words: Yahwehism waned as Pharisaism waxed in the hearts, minds and souls of "the Jews." Thus even by the time of Christ's Mission His spiritual enemies called the Babylonian Talmud the "Tradition of the Elders."




In order for anyone to continue discussing this with me, they're going to have to read that content I am referring to, here:
http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/jewish_conspiracy_9.html

I'm not being bossy, it's just that otherwise, we are not going to be discussing the same thing at all.








I've asked this before ponce....How do you tell them apart?


I can't by looking. By their fruits you shall know them.

[Antonio]

"We don`t recognize nationalities but only classes".
Joe Stalin

PS. Not many realize that by classes Uncle Joe meant not only rich and poor but humans and sociopaths. Not every rich person is a sociopath and plenty of poor people are sociopaths.Today there are brain scans capable of diagnosing sociopathy. Spend less time reading the Bible and more reading biology and psychology books.
As long as the enemy is incarnated your problem is a biological one.

[Awoke]

If I can give you some advice try not to view truth through Christian glasses.




Spend less time reading the Bible and more reading biology and psychology books.



Hahahahahaha!

Thanks for the laugh.

[Antonio]

If I can give you some advice try not to view truth through Christian glasses.




Spend less time reading the Bible and more reading biology and psychology books.



Hahahahahaha!

Thanks for the laugh.


Re-read Eli Ravage Case Against Jews, contemplate how much time you have wasted on reading and quoting both testaments and leave me alone.

[Spectrism]

I've asked this before ponce....How do you tell them apart?



Best question ever asked at GSUS. Who has an answer???

:)


A true Jew is one looking for the Messiah. He is a seeker of truth and does not put his faith in world governments. Most true Jews are Messianic Jews- born again christians. There is a new crop of candidates who could go either way. The true Jew has a reverence for the prophets, humility in his ethnic history and realizes that his own self-righteousness is like filthy rotten rags before YHWH. The true Jew who is not born again in the Spirit is living a confused and conflicted life. He has no peace to console him when he knows that he cannot please God.

The zionist is seeking to build a human kingdom on earth to rule the world. He does not even respect God. He is a fool with a seared conscience and blinded by his own pride & greed.

[7th trump]

You guys are getting heated up here. BellevueBully and Tumbleweed should be the last two people I see in disagreement with each other.

You are all missing it, Book especially, when it is so simple: They who say they are jews but are not.





Everyone is saying "The caused all the wars" and "they are carpet bombing lebanon", etc.

Just because a person wear a beanie and lives in israel does not make that person a jew, even if that person says that they are. It is part of the great deception.

That link that Learn2Swim posted on page one does a very good job of putting into words, what I have been feeling in my heart, and I don't think that any one of you will understand the struggle of understanding that I am going through until you read that page in full, and comprehend it in full.




To understand History, to understand the deeper meaning of current events, one must understand a fundamental fact: Jews are not the Tribe of Judah. Correctly, members of the Tribe of Judah are Judahites. That is, Judahites are of the Bloodline of Judah. Consequently, Jesus was not a "Jew," he was, correctly, a Judahite ("Yhuwdiy") of the Bloodline of Judah, a direct decedent of King David and an Israelite living in Galilee and so was a Galilean.

The idea that the Holy Bible and the Christian religion, if not wholly derived from "the Jews" then, at least, they owe them a great debt is one of the most pernicious lies foisted upon the world. The notion of Judaism being the "father" of both Christianity and Islam is not only very wrong but also very dangerous indeed.



and this is critical to what I am feeling:




Rabbi Stephen S Wise (1874-1949) formerly the Chief Rabbi of the United States and a modern day member of the Evil Jewish Leadership confirmed this:

"The return from Babylon and the introduction of the Babylonian Talmud mark the end of Hebrewism [Yahwehism] and the beginning of Judaism [Pharisaism]."

Wise correctly distinguished between the true religion of the Old Testament (what he called Hebrewism but is more properly Yahwehism) and the new religion forming in Babylon and brought to Judaea as Pharisaism (much later called Judaism). That is, he distinguished between the religion of the Ancient Hebrews -the true Israelites- and "the Jews."




Another critial part:




Before the 18th century, there was no such word as "Jew" in the Holy Bible. The word was first used by the 17th century English redactors of the King James Bible as a cognate of two other words. However, crucially, it has a different and contrary meaning to the two words it has replaced. One of the words referred to someone who was a Judahite, one who was born into the Tribe of Judah, and the other word described one who was a resident of Judaea. To be more precise, the word "Jew" was used by the English redactors interchangeably for three different racial groups. These are:

1. ISRAELITES of the House of Israel living in Judaea, the remnants of the Twelve Tribes.

2. JUDAHITES, or ISRAELITES of the House of Judah, one of the Twelve Tribes.

3. JUDAEANS (including Israelites and others but especially EDOMITES, the descendants of Esau) all residents of Judaea but especially those who were identified by Christ as "Jews" and "religious leaders" begotten "of your father the devil."

All authorities on the subject admit to this. For instance, the 1980 Jewish Almanac in its article entitled "A brief History of the Terms for Jew," states:

"Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an Ancient Israelite a 'Jew' or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew" (p. 3).

Thus, at the time of Christ's Flesh Mission on Earth all JUDAHITES were ISRAELITES but not all ISRAELITES were JUDAHITES, while very few JUDAEANS were either JUDAHITES or ISRAELITES.

In short: Jesus was not a "Jew." .... he was a Judahite .... of the Bloodline of Judah and a direct decedent of King David and so an Israelite ... and he lived in Galilee and not Judea.




So in actuality, as my quest morphs and proceeds, it is "The jew" that I am talking about still. The real difference is that when I say "The jew" I am not referring to Gods most loved people, who are Israelites/Judahites. When I speak of talmud/kabbalah-worshipping, babylonian-inspired luciferians, and am speaking of the Pharisaics who call themselves jews but are not.

Welcome to confusion. I think I would be best to refer to the conspirators as the Pharisaics from here on out. During the time of Jesus Christ himself, people recognized the difference between the the followers of the old testament and the pharisaics:




Judaism, the religion of "the Jews," is, admits Wise, based upon the Babylonian Talmud, which contains the supposed Oral Law. Moreover, an Oral Law that was never reduced to writing and made part of the Bible. Furthermore, it was this Oral Law that gradually gained greater force among "the Jews" than the Written Law (largely Mosaic Law) contained in the Old Testament. And moreover, a spiritual force that became a new religion in Jesus' day that not only often conflicted with the Written Law but directly opposed the religion of Christ.
In other words: Yahwehism waned as Pharisaism waxed in the hearts, minds and souls of "the Jews." Thus even by the time of Christ's Mission His spiritual enemies called the Babylonian Talmud the "Tradition of the Elders."




In order for anyone to continue discussing this with me, they're going to have to read that content I am referring to, here:
http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/jewish_conspiracy_9.html

I'm not being bossy, it's just that otherwise, we are not going to be discussing the same thing at all.








I've asked this before ponce....How do you tell them apart?


I can't by looking. By their fruits you shall know them.

Did you know that in remote villages and towns in the mountains of Sweden they still speak in very good dialect...........HEBREW (their native ancient language).
Just another clue who the 10 tribes of Isreal really are:
Germans, English, Russian, Polish, French, Italian, Spain (white spanards), Sweden, Ireland, Dutch, America (white), Canada (white), Australia, Greenland, Bosnia (all east block white countries). They would become many nations and they did!
These are the white nations that migrated north over the caucasas mountains after captivity in Egypt that eventually would be as numberous as the stars in the sky and sand of the sea (cant count them). Its these countries that have been a blessing to the world just as its written they would be.

[chad]

You guys are getting heated up here. BellevueBully and Tumbleweed should be the last two people I see in disagreement with each other.

You are all missing it, Book especially, when it is so simple: They who say they are jews but are not.





Everyone is saying "The caused all the wars" and "they are carpet bombing lebanon", etc.

Just because a person wear a beanie and lives in israel does not make that person a jew, even if that person says that they are. It is part of the great deception.

That link that Learn2Swim posted on page one does a very good job of putting into words, what I have been feeling in my heart, and I don't think that any one of you will understand the struggle of understanding that I am going through until you read that page in full, and comprehend it in full.




To understand History, to understand the deeper meaning of current events, one must understand a fundamental fact: Jews are not the Tribe of Judah. Correctly, members of the Tribe of Judah are Judahites. That is, Judahites are of the Bloodline of Judah. Consequently, Jesus was not a "Jew," he was, correctly, a Judahite ("Yhuwdiy") of the Bloodline of Judah, a direct decedent of King David and an Israelite living in Galilee and so was a Galilean.

The idea that the Holy Bible and the Christian religion, if not wholly derived from "the Jews" then, at least, they owe them a great debt is one of the most pernicious lies foisted upon the world. The notion of Judaism being the "father" of both Christianity and Islam is not only very wrong but also very dangerous indeed.



and this is critical to what I am feeling:




Rabbi Stephen S Wise (1874-1949) formerly the Chief Rabbi of the United States and a modern day member of the Evil Jewish Leadership confirmed this:

"The return from Babylon and the introduction of the Babylonian Talmud mark the end of Hebrewism [Yahwehism] and the beginning of Judaism [Pharisaism]."

Wise correctly distinguished between the true religion of the Old Testament (what he called Hebrewism but is more properly Yahwehism) and the new religion forming in Babylon and brought to Judaea as Pharisaism (much later called Judaism). That is, he distinguished between the religion of the Ancient Hebrews -the true Israelites- and "the Jews."




Another critial part:




Before the 18th century, there was no such word as "Jew" in the Holy Bible. The word was first used by the 17th century English redactors of the King James Bible as a cognate of two other words. However, crucially, it has a different and contrary meaning to the two words it has replaced. One of the words referred to someone who was a Judahite, one who was born into the Tribe of Judah, and the other word described one who was a resident of Judaea. To be more precise, the word "Jew" was used by the English redactors interchangeably for three different racial groups. These are:

1. ISRAELITES of the House of Israel living in Judaea, the remnants of the Twelve Tribes.

2. JUDAHITES, or ISRAELITES of the House of Judah, one of the Twelve Tribes.

3. JUDAEANS (including Israelites and others but especially EDOMITES, the descendants of Esau) all residents of Judaea but especially those who were identified by Christ as "Jews" and "religious leaders" begotten "of your father the devil."

All authorities on the subject admit to this. For instance, the 1980 Jewish Almanac in its article entitled "A brief History of the Terms for Jew," states:

"Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an Ancient Israelite a 'Jew' or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew" (p. 3).

Thus, at the time of Christ's Flesh Mission on Earth all JUDAHITES were ISRAELITES but not all ISRAELITES were JUDAHITES, while very few JUDAEANS were either JUDAHITES or ISRAELITES.

In short: Jesus was not a "Jew." .... he was a Judahite .... of the Bloodline of Judah and a direct decedent of King David and so an Israelite ... and he lived in Galilee and not Judea.




So in actuality, as my quest morphs and proceeds, it is "The jew" that I am talking about still. The real difference is that when I say "The jew" I am not referring to Gods most loved people, who are Israelites/Judahites. When I speak of talmud/kabbalah-worshipping, babylonian-inspired luciferians, and am speaking of the Pharisaics who call themselves jews but are not.

Welcome to confusion. I think I would be best to refer to the conspirators as the Pharisaics from here on out. During the time of Jesus Christ himself, people recognized the difference between the the followers of the old testament and the pharisaics:




Judaism, the religion of "the Jews," is, admits Wise, based upon the Babylonian Talmud, which contains the supposed Oral Law. Moreover, an Oral Law that was never reduced to writing and made part of the Bible. Furthermore, it was this Oral Law that gradually gained greater force among "the Jews" than the Written Law (largely Mosaic Law) contained in the Old Testament. And moreover, a spiritual force that became a new religion in Jesus' day that not only often conflicted with the Written Law but directly opposed the religion of Christ.
In other words: Yahwehism waned as Pharisaism waxed in the hearts, minds and souls of "the Jews." Thus even by the time of Christ's Mission His spiritual enemies called the Babylonian Talmud the "Tradition of the Elders."




In order for anyone to continue discussing this with me, they're going to have to read that content I am referring to, here:
http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/jewish_conspiracy_9.html

I'm not being bossy, it's just that otherwise, we are not going to be discussing the same thing at all.








I've asked this before ponce....How do you tell them apart?


I can't by looking. By their fruits you shall know them.

Did you know that in remote villages and towns in the mountains of Sweden they still speak in very good dialect...........HEBREW (their native ancient language).
Just another clue who the 10 tribes of Isreal really are:
Germans, English, Russian, Polish, French, Italian, Spain (white spanards), Sweden, Ireland, Dutch, America (white), Canada (white), Australia, Greenland, Bosnia (all east block white countries). They would become many nations and they did!
These are the white nations that migrated north over the caucasas mountains after captivity in Egypt that eventually would be as numberous as the stars in the sky and sand of the sea (cant count them). Its these countries that have been a blessing to the world just as its written they would be.


yiddish is spoken in sweden by ashkenazic jews who migrated there in the early 1900s. it is not in any way, shape, or form native to sweden.

[vacuum]

You guys are getting heated up here. BellevueBully and Tumbleweed should be the last two people I see in disagreement with each other.

You are all missing it, Book especially, when it is so simple: They who say they are jews but are not.





Everyone is saying "The caused all the wars" and "they are carpet bombing lebanon", etc.

Just because a person wear a beanie and lives in israel does not make that person a jew, even if that person says that they are. It is part of the great deception.

That link that Learn2Swim posted on page one does a very good job of putting into words, what I have been feeling in my heart, and I don't think that any one of you will understand the struggle of understanding that I am going through until you read that page in full, and comprehend it in full.




To understand History, to understand the deeper meaning of current events, one must understand a fundamental fact: Jews are not the Tribe of Judah. Correctly, members of the Tribe of Judah are Judahites. That is, Judahites are of the Bloodline of Judah. Consequently, Jesus was not a "Jew," he was, correctly, a Judahite ("Yhuwdiy") of the Bloodline of Judah, a direct decedent of King David and an Israelite living in Galilee and so was a Galilean.

The idea that the Holy Bible and the Christian religion, if not wholly derived from "the Jews" then, at least, they owe them a great debt is one of the most pernicious lies foisted upon the world. The notion of Judaism being the "father" of both Christianity and Islam is not only very wrong but also very dangerous indeed.



and this is critical to what I am feeling:




Rabbi Stephen S Wise (1874-1949) formerly the Chief Rabbi of the United States and a modern day member of the Evil Jewish Leadership confirmed this:

"The return from Babylon and the introduction of the Babylonian Talmud mark the end of Hebrewism [Yahwehism] and the beginning of Judaism [Pharisaism]."

Wise correctly distinguished between the true religion of the Old Testament (what he called Hebrewism but is more properly Yahwehism) and the new religion forming in Babylon and brought to Judaea as Pharisaism (much later called Judaism). That is, he distinguished between the religion of the Ancient Hebrews -the true Israelites- and "the Jews."




Another critial part:




Before the 18th century, there was no such word as "Jew" in the Holy Bible. The word was first used by the 17th century English redactors of the King James Bible as a cognate of two other words. However, crucially, it has a different and contrary meaning to the two words it has replaced. One of the words referred to someone who was a Judahite, one who was born into the Tribe of Judah, and the other word described one who was a resident of Judaea. To be more precise, the word "Jew" was used by the English redactors interchangeably for three different racial groups. These are:

1. ISRAELITES of the House of Israel living in Judaea, the remnants of the Twelve Tribes.

2. JUDAHITES, or ISRAELITES of the House of Judah, one of the Twelve Tribes.

3. JUDAEANS (including Israelites and others but especially EDOMITES, the descendants of Esau) all residents of Judaea but especially those who were identified by Christ as "Jews" and "religious leaders" begotten "of your father the devil."

All authorities on the subject admit to this. For instance, the 1980 Jewish Almanac in its article entitled "A brief History of the Terms for Jew," states:

"Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an Ancient Israelite a 'Jew' or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew" (p. 3).

Thus, at the time of Christ's Flesh Mission on Earth all JUDAHITES were ISRAELITES but not all ISRAELITES were JUDAHITES, while very few JUDAEANS were either JUDAHITES or ISRAELITES.

In short: Jesus was not a "Jew." .... he was a Judahite .... of the Bloodline of Judah and a direct decedent of King David and so an Israelite ... and he lived in Galilee and not Judea.




So in actuality, as my quest morphs and proceeds, it is "The jew" that I am talking about still. The real difference is that when I say "The jew" I am not referring to Gods most loved people, who are Israelites/Judahites. When I speak of talmud/kabbalah-worshipping, babylonian-inspired luciferians, and am speaking of the Pharisaics who call themselves jews but are not.

Welcome to confusion. I think I would be best to refer to the conspirators as the Pharisaics from here on out. During the time of Jesus Christ himself, people recognized the difference between the the followers of the old testament and the pharisaics:




Judaism, the religion of "the Jews," is, admits Wise, based upon the Babylonian Talmud, which contains the supposed Oral Law. Moreover, an Oral Law that was never reduced to writing and made part of the Bible. Furthermore, it was this Oral Law that gradually gained greater force among "the Jews" than the Written Law (largely Mosaic Law) contained in the Old Testament. And moreover, a spiritual force that became a new religion in Jesus' day that not only often conflicted with the Written Law but directly opposed the religion of Christ.
In other words: Yahwehism waned as Pharisaism waxed in the hearts, minds and souls of "the Jews." Thus even by the time of Christ's Mission His spiritual enemies called the Babylonian Talmud the "Tradition of the Elders."




In order for anyone to continue discussing this with me, they're going to have to read that content I am referring to, here:
http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/jewish_conspiracy_9.html

I'm not being bossy, it's just that otherwise, we are not going to be discussing the same thing at all.








I've asked this before ponce....How do you tell them apart?


I can't by looking. By their fruits you shall know them.

Did you know that in remote villages and towns in the mountains of Sweden they still speak in very good dialect...........HEBREW (their native ancient language).
Just another clue who the 10 tribes of Isreal really are:
Germans, English, Russian, Polish, French, Italian, Spain (white spanards), Sweden, Ireland, Dutch, America (white), Canada (white), Australia, Greenland, Bosnia (all east block white countries). They would become many nations and they did!
These are the white nations that migrated north over the caucasas mountains after captivity in Egypt that eventually would be as numberous as the stars in the sky and sand of the sea (cant count them). Its these countries that have been a blessing to the world just as its written they would be.


yiddish is spoken in sweden by ashkenazic jews who migrated there in the early 1900s. it is not in any way, shape, or form native to sweden.

Either that or arabic jews aren't really jews, and khazars are actually real jews because they're from europe where the real jews went a long time ago and they're now pretending to pretend to be jews (double agent jews).

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOAUbozgri4

[hoarder]

I'm not really a religious guy myself. As I understand it, the Scriptures referred to "Judeans" and the term "Jews" was adopted just a few centuries ago, a name the Khazars gave themselves. There are several posts in this thread referring to "Jews" and "Israel" in which I'm confused about the posters meaning or understanding of this.
I'm a logical person and not really given to spiritual thinking. I realize I don't know everything.

I would define this issue thusly..it's either:

1) Khazars hiding behind "Luciferian" identity.
2) Luciferians hiding behind "Jewish" or "Khazar" identity.

I have to go with #1. As they say "All the roads lead to Rome" concerning logical reasoning and evidence pointing to their racial supremacy and covert aggression. Khazars are mortals, few in number and can be fought. They would like us to spin our wheels fighting this unseeable, unverifiable "Lucifer".


If it's #2, then that would mean that these very clever and manipulative Khazars have allowed themselves to be used and manipulated for someone else's benefit...that in the end supremacy will not be theirs.


Khazars are very good at this supremacy game. I don't get bogged down in this "good vs. evil" thinking. Different tribes and races have fought for supremacy since time began. In war, deception is paramount. The tribe who fights and deceives better wins. The Khazars are simply better at it, more dilligent, and have built a culture that encourages winning this game.

[Neuro]

Did you know that in remote villages and towns in the mountains of Sweden they still speak in very good dialect...........HEBREW (their native ancient language).
There are remote areas of Sweden, where the dialect is difficult to understand, to a native Swede living elsewhere. There were even some remote places where they wrote in runes as late as the early 20th century. But I have never heard of people speaking Hebrew as a native language in Sweden. Do you have any evidence for this assertion 7th Trump?

[Nordmann]

Perhaps he is talking about Gaelic.

*edit* not that they speak that in Sweden, but it's got similarities with Hebrew.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Inner peace is controlling your mind, instead of letting it control you.

Congratulation, Awoke. You've reached a level of wisdom very few people get to. When you realize that the only absolute value is the truth. And how easy it is to be fooled. You've gotten to the point where you can make objective observations about who really runs the world, and how do they do it. Where you can look Lucifer in the eye and tell him he's not fooling you. Where you can see what's hidden. Where your spirit and intellect and body are all one. You're escaping the world of lies.

The only downside is that you can't explain it to people. The only ones who will understand are those who have reached your level or higher. There are all too few of those. If you try to explain it to those below your level of awareness, they will treat you like you're crazy. It's the kind of thing you can only do for yourself. Get used to being lonely and marginalized. It'll be a long time before large numbers of people put in the effort to raise their own awareness. You can't help them nor can you make them see anything. You can only point and hope for the best. People here a GSUS are mostly ones who teach themselves, and are at varying levels of understanding. You can tell who the mored advanced posters are.

The biggest upside is that your mind is free. You are no longer guided by lies. You can see the lies because they are no longer hidden from you like they are hidden for most other people. You can see what and who is enslaving their minds. Be careful what you say. If TPTB feel threatened by you, you will go the way of Jesus Christ, and your memory will be erased. My best wishes to you, Awoke.


Hatha

[Horn]

Perhaps he is talking about Gaelic.

*edit* not that they speak that in Sweden, but it's got similarities with Hebrew.



Our view of Gaelic is based on an East to West movement of civilization which has been proven by archeologists and historians to be wrong. The original civilization was established in the British Isles and points West [Lemuria, Atlantis?] and moved East. Thus what many believe to be Hebrew words which spread to Ireland and other parts of the British Isles as Gaelic was actually Gaelic which spread from the British Isles and was RENAMED "Hebrew".

http://www.fathersmanifesto.net/gaelic.htm

[7th trump]

Did you know that in remote villages and towns in the mountains of Sweden they still speak in very good dialect...........HEBREW (their native ancient language).
There are remote areas of Sweden, where the dialect is difficult to understand, to a native Swede living elsewhere. There were even some remote places where they wrote in runes as late as the early 20th century. But I have never heard of people speaking Hebrew as a native language in Sweden. Do you have any evidence for this assertion 7th Trump?
I seen it on Iowa Public Television. It was a documentary about 8 years ago or so. Very interesting.
The documentary said they have been there for a few thousand years when Sweden was settled.

[Book]

The only downside is that you can't explain it to people. The only ones who will understand are those who have reached your level or higher. There are all too few of those. If you try to explain it to those below your level of awareness, they will treat you like you're crazy.



http://www.famousquotesabout.com/quoteImage/14846/If-you-can_t-explain.jpg

Nice try pal.

:D

[Awoke]

LOL @ Book quoting Einstein....

[MAGNES]

How about we say it is the Talmudists, lol, back to square one.

It is the Talmudists. The Talmud is Jewish Law, how to live like a Jew, a "barmitzvah"
is a test of this knowledge, indoctrination.

This is largely an academic argument Awoke started, religious, translation issues, semantics.

The people that get the highest marks in this thread are those that correctly identify real
groups and groups compete. Hoarder hit the nail on the head, this is a war, covert,
spanning millenium.

It would of been more correct for Awoke to state,
" it is the Jews , not the ancient Judeans , not the Ancient Hebrews ".

There is problems with those translations I talked about above.
There is no " jew " back then.

I notice the people that are mostly thanking Awoke don't post
news on NeoCons, real crimes, issues, controversial stuff, a lot
of the controversial stuff is not polite, but it exists not because
of us.

ZOG exists in all Western countries, the NWO is the JWO .

They already enacted the Protocols murdering and enslaving tens of millions of Christians.

Jews ran the Ottoman Empire, created Turkey, created the USSR, created Israel.
The same Jews even, Jabotinsky is key here, propagandist and founding father for all 3 regimes.
Feith's father was his secretary. Same gang did 9/11.

On religious grounds many of you close your eyes to real crime and evil.

And you identify the Khazars/"modern jews" as "biblical" people. The irony is by agreeing with
Awoke you identify/admit to your own mistakes in belief, you people deceives yourselves.

Jews are the greatest haters that ever existed.

http://i55.tinypic.com/149rzo7.jpg

BY A GREAT CHRISTIAN, TED PIKE

ADL'S FOXMAN: NEW TESTAMENT IS ANTI-SEMITIC
http://truthtellers.org/alerts/ntantisemitic.html

U.S. State Department Says New Testament Is 'Anti-Semitic'?
http://www.rense.com/general67/state.htm

[Awoke]

It would of been more correct for Awoke to state,
" it is the Jews , not the ancient Judeans , not the Ancient Hebrews ".

There is problems with those translations I talked about above.
There is no " jew " back then.




This.

[Awoke]

I am back to square one.

It is the luciferian Talmudists who are claiming to be Gods Chosen ones, but are not.



So book, take your Einstein quote and put it where the sun don't shine.

[Tumbleweed]

I am back to square one.

It is the luciferian Talmudists who are claiming to be Gods Chosen ones, but are not.



So book, take your Einstein quote and put it where the sun don't shine.


Awoke you've lost me. I don't know what the hell you're talking about now :conf:

[Antonio]

Seeing so many adults discussing Bible in 2011 fills me with despair, everyone should change their IDs into "Asleep".

[MAGNES]

It would of been more correct for Awoke to state,
" it is the Jews , not the ancient Judeans , not the Ancient Hebrews ".

There is problems with those translations I talked about above.
There is no " jew " back then.



This.


I've already been there Awoke, this is why I have a new found interest in Christianity,
and even did some heavy reading and major podcasts on Classics cause these people
deliberately corrupt key history, not just biblical, Ptolemies, Plato are their key targets,
right after Jesus Christ himself. What amazes me is how they are able to get away
with all this, especially the " I shall set brother against brother. "

Awoke, consider I am in the middle of many issues, some people here attack me for
being a Christian, on the other side I am attacked for not being a Christian, lol, my
posts are from a historical perspective, not religious, I ain't no expert on anything
but an amateur reader/student in one area for a long time.

Ximmy posts, they are not chosen, what kind of God would do that to us, reason prevails.

Thanks Ximmy.

[Awoke]

My inner, moral struggle with this whole thing is that I was looking at myself as a jew-hater.

While technically that might be accurate, the most important thing to understand is that the jews of today are not the Judites that the Father made the covenant with, so when I speak out against the "jews", I am actually refering to the babylonian pharasiac talmudists, and NOT THE CHOSEN RACE.

That is the distiction that I needed to understand.


This distiction comes from the use of the word "Jew" to cover three different translations from original scipts, meaning three separate things, which I quoted about already, but will quote again to keep things smooth:



Before the 18th century, there was no such word as "Jew" in the Holy Bible. The word was first used by the 17th century English redactors of the King James Bible as a cognate of two other words. However, crucially, it has a different and contrary meaning to the two words it has replaced. One of the words referred to someone who was a Judahite, one who was born into the Tribe of Judah, and the other word described one who was a resident of Judaea. To be more precise, the word "Jew" was used by the English redactors interchangeably for three different racial groups. These are:

1. ISRAELITES of the House of Israel living in Judaea, the remnants of the Twelve Tribes.

2. JUDAHITES, or ISRAELITES of the House of Judah, one of the Twelve Tribes.

3. JUDAEANS (including Israelites and others but especially EDOMITES, the descendants of Esau) all residents of Judaea but especially those who were identified by Christ as "Jews" and "religious leaders" begotten "of your father the devil."

All authorities on the subject admit to this. For instance, the 1980 Jewish Almanac in its article entitled "A brief History of the Terms for Jew," states:

"Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an Ancient Israelite a 'Jew' or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew" (p. 3).
Thus, at the time of Christ's Flesh Mission on Earth all JUDAHITES were ISRAELITES but not all ISRAELITES were JUDAHITES, while very few JUDAEANS were either JUDAHITES or ISRAELITES.





I think that as it stands right now, to put it simply and in point form, I am leaning towards this:

- Moses, Abraham, Isaac, David and the rest are not "jews", but Judahites

- The religion of Judahites is the Old Testament religion, which should be called Hebrewism or Yahwehism

- The "jews" are not the same people that God made the covenant with

- The "jewish religion" is Pharisaism, which we know today as judaism, which is babylonian.

[Awoke]

I am back to square one.

It is the luciferian Talmudists who are claiming to be Gods Chosen ones, but are not.



So book, take your Einstein quote and put it where the sun don't shine.


Awoke you've lost me. I don't know what the hell you're talking about now :conf:


Tumbleweed brother, unless you read this page, you will never understand my new understanding.

http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/jewish_conspiracy_9.html

[sirgonzo420]

My inner, moral struggle with this whole thing is that I was looking at myself as a jew-hater.

While technically that might be accurate, the most important thing to understand is that the jews of today are not the Judites that the Father made the covenant with, so when I speak out against the "jews", I am actually refering to the babylonian pharasiac talmudists, and NOT THE CHOSEN RACE.

That is the distiction that I needed to understand.


This distiction comes from the use of the word "Jew" to cover three different translations from original scipts, meaning three separate things, which I quoted about already, but will quote again to keep things smooth:



Before the 18th century, there was no such word as "Jew" in the Holy Bible. The word was first used by the 17th century English redactors of the King James Bible as a cognate of two other words. However, crucially, it has a different and contrary meaning to the two words it has replaced. One of the words referred to someone who was a Judahite, one who was born into the Tribe of Judah, and the other word described one who was a resident of Judaea. To be more precise, the word "Jew" was used by the English redactors interchangeably for three different racial groups. These are:

1. ISRAELITES of the House of Israel living in Judaea, the remnants of the Twelve Tribes.

2. JUDAHITES, or ISRAELITES of the House of Judah, one of the Twelve Tribes.

3. JUDAEANS (including Israelites and others but especially EDOMITES, the descendants of Esau) all residents of Judaea but especially those who were identified by Christ as "Jews" and "religious leaders" begotten "of your father the devil."

All authorities on the subject admit to this. For instance, the 1980 Jewish Almanac in its article entitled "A brief History of the Terms for Jew," states:

"Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an Ancient Israelite a 'Jew' or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew" (p. 3).
Thus, at the time of Christ's Flesh Mission on Earth all JUDAHITES were ISRAELITES but not all ISRAELITES were JUDAHITES, while very few JUDAEANS were either JUDAHITES or ISRAELITES.





I think that as it stands right now, to put it simply and in point form, I am leaning towards this:

- Moses, Abraham, Isaac, David and the rest are not "jews", but Judahites

- The religion of Judahites is the Old Testament religion, which should be called Hebrewism or Yahwehism

- The "jews" are not the same people that God made the covenant with

- The "jewish religion" is Pharisaism, which we know today as judaism, which is babylonian.



According to Christianity, since Christ has come (the first coming), the "Chosen Race" are those who believe in him (John 3:16). Any "jew" (who would have been a hebrew at the time... the jew label was applied centuries later), who failed to believe in Christ was NOT chosen (Rev. 2:9 and 3:9), but damned to hell like any non-believer.

Before Christ, a hebrew needed only to follow the Torah (the Laws/Books of Moses), but after Christ, a hebrew needed to have faith in Christ to attain salvation.

The Israel of the bible is not the government occupying Palestine in the Middle East... the biblical Israel (after Christ) consists of Christians.

Hell I'm not even a Christian and I can tell ya that.

I use the term "jews" when refering to those that call themselves such for simplicity's sake. They are truly (90%) "khazars".

http://www.mosaicrooms.org/wp-content/uploads/Shlomo-Sand-The-Invention-of-the-Jewish-People-190x274.jpg

[MAGNES]

So book,


Book is making the same points I am, as others here, and he made some good references,

" no place for hate " , that one is huge ADL hypocrisy, and a gim thunderdome thread. LOL !

I wouldn't quote Einstein though, he is a lying Khazar that spoke Yiddish ( german ), not Hebrew.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/einstein-was-a-communist-and-a-plagiarist/

http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/12-year-old-genius-takes-aim-as-disproving-einstein's-theory-of-relativity/

[Tumbleweed]

My inner, moral struggle with this whole thing is that I was looking at myself as a jew-hater.

While technically that might be accurate, the most important thing to understand is that the jews of today are not the Judites that the Father made the covenant with, so when I speak out against the "jews", I am actually refering to the babylonian pharasiac talmudists, and NOT THE CHOSEN RACE.

That is the distiction that I needed to understand.


This distiction comes from the use of the word "Jew" to cover three different translations from original scipts, meaning three separate things, which I quoted about already, but will quote again to keep things smooth:



Before the 18th century, there was no such word as "Jew" in the Holy Bible. The word was first used by the 17th century English redactors of the King James Bible as a cognate of two other words. However, crucially, it has a different and contrary meaning to the two words it has replaced. One of the words referred to someone who was a Judahite, one who was born into the Tribe of Judah, and the other word described one who was a resident of Judaea. To be more precise, the word "Jew" was used by the English redactors interchangeably for three different racial groups. These are:

1. ISRAELITES of the House of Israel living in Judaea, the remnants of the Twelve Tribes.

2. JUDAHITES, or ISRAELITES of the House of Judah, one of the Twelve Tribes.

3. JUDAEANS (including Israelites and others but especially EDOMITES, the descendants of Esau) all residents of Judaea but especially those who were identified by Christ as "Jews" and "religious leaders" begotten "of your father the devil."

All authorities on the subject admit to this. For instance, the 1980 Jewish Almanac in its article entitled "A brief History of the Terms for Jew," states:

"Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an Ancient Israelite a 'Jew' or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew" (p. 3).
Thus, at the time of Christ's Flesh Mission on Earth all JUDAHITES were ISRAELITES but not all ISRAELITES were JUDAHITES, while very few JUDAEANS were either JUDAHITES or ISRAELITES.





I think that as it stands right now, to put it simply and in point form, I am leaning towards this:

- Moses, Abraham, Isaac, David and the rest are not "jews", but Judahites

- The religion of Judahites is the Old Testament religion, which should be called Hebrewism or Yahwehism

- The "jews" are not the same people that God made the covenant with

- The "jewish religion" is Pharisaism, which we know today as judaism, which is babylonian.



According to Christianity, since Christ has come (the first coming), the "Chosen Race" are those who believe in him (John 3:16). Any "jew" (who would have been a hebrew at the time... the jew label was applied centuries later), who failed to believe in Christ was NOT chosen (Rev. 2:9 and 3:9), but damned to hell like any non-believer.

Before Christ, a hebrew needed only to follow the Torah (the Laws/Books of Moses), but after Christ, a hebrew needed to have faith in Christ to attain salvation.

The Israel of the bible is not the government occupying Palestine in the Middle East... the biblical Israel (after Christ) consists of Christians.

Hell I'm not even a Christian and I can tell ya that.

I use the term "jews" when refering to those that call themselves such for simplicity's sake. They are truly (90%) "khazars".

http://www.mosaicrooms.org/wp-content/uploads/Shlomo-Sand-The-Invention-of-the-Jewish-People-190x274.jpg




That's the way I see it to SirGonzo

[MAGNES]

I use the term "jews" when refering to those that call themselves such for simplicity's sake. They are truly (90%) "khazars".


Me too, and above I said a lot, briefly covered issues, there is real history of the area,
real archeology, to simply things I totally excluded the Khazar history to simplify the
debate and issues to argue, now throw that thing into the mix, lol, game over, there
is very embarrassing revelations in Israel on history, archeology, from their own
University Profs and experts, challenging information, Israelis don't care, why should
they, they know what they are doing, the information will never see the mainstream
media and the supporters of Israel won't see it and even if they do it won't be enough
to stop the " fundamentalist christians ", who can be described as haters, lol, more irony,
they want to see Israel full of Jews before it can be destroyed, lol, now we are the haters.
Some people like to throw reason out the window. How about no more wars, everyone
keeps what they have, that includes Europeans, they get to keep their creations, culture.

[Hatha Sunahara]

The only downside is that you can't explain it to people. The only ones who will understand are those who have reached your level or higher. There are all too few of those. If you try to explain it to those below your level of awareness, they will treat you like you're crazy.



http://www.famousquotesabout.com/quoteImage/14846/If-you-can_t-explain.jpg

Nice try pal.


:D


I'm not talking about logic and reason like Einstein. I'm talking about what people believe. And how they came to that belief. Usually through propaganda. If you can see through the propaganda, and they can't, how do you explain anything to them 'simply'? That is, explaining the ability to see through lies to people who can't see through lies?

I wasn't trying to convince you of anything. You might benefit by turning your attention inward occasionally and try to determine how much of your own thinking was put there by somebody else. And how strongly you hold on to that. Awoke appears to have done that. How often do you question your own beliefs?

And for those people who want a fairly good discussion of the attitude of Jews toward Christians, you might want to read Elizabeth Dilling at her site here:

http://www.come-and-hear.com/

I'm sure this will give Ponce some headaches, but it is the Pharisaic Rabbis who give the Zionists 'spiritual' consolation. These Talmudic Rabbis transmit the ancient hatred of the Pharisees for Jesus Christ. They also transmit a worship of Lucifer by convincing the ordinary Jews that he is God. There were not Pharisees prior to the Jewish exile to Babylonia. Pharisaism is what some elite Jews learned in Babylon. It is a worship of authority, and the rabbis set themselves up as the authorities. Judaism went through a schism along the lines of the Sunni/Shiite split in Islam. Before the Talmud, Jews worshipped Yahweh directly. The Pharisaic/Talmudic rabbis set themselves up as the intermediaries between the Jews and God, only they replaced Yaweh with Lucifer. Much like the Shiites set up the Ayatollas and Imams as intermediaries between the people and God. The Pharisees and their Talmudic rabbi descendents are authoritarian theocrats. The Talmud has 600+ commandments for jews in their daily lives. I can't think of a more authoritarian religion, or even a more materialistic one. That is the luciferian quality of Judaism

The question is whether all Jews subscribe to this worship of lucifer. I think few do, although they can be easily recruited by their rabbis if necessary. The zionists are an extension of rabbinic control in the political sphere.



Hatha

[sirgonzo420]

That's the way I see it to SirGonzo


Better watch out... I'm a potsmoker.


Wrong crowd... ;D

[Awoke]

No you guys.

The Khazars are out there and real, but the real satanic imposters were in place long before the Khazars empire. I am not talking exclusively about the Khazars who say they are jews and are not.

I have come to realize that I am talking about jews, who say they are the chosen race or israel and are not.

Is anyone reading my posts? I made it simple as to honor books Einstein quote.




I think that as it stands right now, to put it simply and in point form, I am leaning towards this:

- Moses, Abraham, Isaac, David and the rest are not "jews", but Judahites

- The religion of Judahites is the Old Testament religion, which should be called Hebrewism or Yahwehism

- The "jews" are not the same people that God made the covenant with

- The "jewish religion" is Pharisaism, which we know today as judaism, which is babylonian.



The Father never made a covenant with the people who we know as jews.

He made the covenant with the Judahites, which is the line where Christ can be traced, if that article is correct, which I have not verified. This is obviously something I need to dig into.

[Ponce]

Give Ponce a headache? nawwwwwwww, I only guide myself by what I know by learning from many and then to come up with my own conclusions, after that? all the rest is only letter on a monitor.

[MAGNES]

We are all learning. Some of it is hard knowledge, most is not.



And for those people who want a fairly good discussion of the attitude of Jews toward Christians, you might want to read Elizabeth Dilling at her site here:

http://www.come-and-hear.com/

I'm sure this will give Ponce some headaches, but it is the Pharisaic Rabbis who give the Zionists 'spiritual' consolation. These Talmudic Rabbis transmit the ancient hatred of the Pharisees for Jesus Christ. They also transmit a worship of Lucifer by convincing the ordinary Jews that he is God. There were not Pharisees prior to the Jewish exile to Babylonia. Pharisaism is what some elite Jews learned in Babylon. It is a worship of authority, and the rabbis set themselves up as the authorities. Judaism went through a schism along the lines of the Sunni/Shiite split in Islam. Before the Talmud, Jews worshipped Yahweh directly. The Pharisaic/Talmudic rabbis set themselves up as the intermediaries between the Jews and God, only they replaced Yaweh with Lucifer. Much like the Shiites set up the Ayatollas and Imams as intermediaries between the people and God. The Pharisees and their Talmudic rabbi descendents are authoritarian theocrats. The Talmud has 600+ commandments for jews in their daily lives. I can't think of a more authoritarian religion, or even a more materialistic one. That is the luciferian quality of Judaism

The question is whether all Jews subscribe to this worship of lucifer. I think few do, although they can be easily recruited by their rabbis if necessary. The zionists are an extension of rabbinic control in the political sphere.

Hatha


Hatha is one of the well read and knowledgeable here.

It is very interesting that the modern founders of the Occult,

they do not like the OT, I am no fan of it either, they hate the Greeks too,

the wicked witch of the modern Occultic new age movement has very interesting
things go say on this, and very revealing, I'll find it and I'll post it, from her book,

" the OT was written by heathens using a heathen language in a heathen land "

She is describing both the "Hebrews" and the Hellenists. She goes on for a page.
It's a gem of a page. Attacking the Ptolemies, Greek writing, OT Hebrews.

The " the theosophist queen " using a heathen language created by heathens
to describe her movement. LOL THEO SOPHIST , corruptor black magic witch.

The Occult movement is founded by Talmudists/Kaballists, etc, totally fits with
what Hatha is writing about.

[sirgonzo420]

No you guys.

The Khazars are out there and real, but the real satanic imposters were in place long before the Khazars empire. I am not talking exclusively about the Khazars who say they are jews and are not.

I have come to realize that I am talking about jews, who say they are the chosen race or israel and are not.

Is anyone reading my posts? I made it simple as to honor books Einstein quote.




I think that as it stands right now, to put it simply and in point form, I am leaning towards this:

- Moses, Abraham, Isaac, David and the rest are not "jews", but Judahites

- The religion of Judahites is the Old Testament religion, which should be called Hebrewism or Yahwehism

- The "jews" are not the same people that God made the covenant with

- The "jewish religion" is Pharisaism, which we know today as judaism, which is babylonian.



The Father never made a covenant with the people who we know as jews.

He made the covenant with the Judahites, which is the line where Christ can be traced, if that article is correct, which I have not verified. This is obviously something I need to dig into.



Yes. The "jews" of today are fakers squared.

They are "khazars" posing as "jews" posing as the "elect(saved)".

God's covenant with the hebrews was the OLD testament. Christ came and replaced the OLD with the NEW testament (the gospel).

Some "christians" would have you believe that one MUST believe in Christ to attain salvation, unless your mother is jewish, is which case you don't need Christ's salvation.

[Tumbleweed]

That's the way I see it to SirGonzo


Better watch out... I'm a potsmoker.


Wrong crowd... ;D


You'd be a hell of a lot smarter if you quit smokin dope and the fog cleared out of your brain ;)

[Awoke]

So then Gonzo, what has become of the original babylonian talmudist pharisiacs that were around at the time of Christ, 700+ years before the Khazart empire?

[Antonio]

"God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh."


[Voltaire]


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"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd."

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"A clergyman is one who feels himself called upon to live without working at the expense of the rascals who work to live."

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"What is tolerance? -- it is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly -- that is the first law of nature."

[Voltaire]


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"It is clear that the individual who persecutes a man, his brother, because he is not of the same opinion, is a monster."

[Voltaire]


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"Si Dieu n'existait pas, il faudrait l'inventer.

(If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him.)"

[Voltaire, "Epîtres, XCVI"]


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"Since the whole affair had become one of religion, the vanquished were of course exterminated."

[Voltaire]


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"If God made us in His image we have certianly returned the compliment."

[Voltaire]


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"I have only made but one prayer in my life: "O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it."

[Voltaire]


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"When he that speaks, and he to whom he speaks, neither of them understand what is meant, that is metaphysics."

[Voltaire]


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"It is one of the superstitions of the human mind to have imagined that virginity could be a virtue."

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"You will notice that in all disputes between Christians since the birth of the Church, Rome has always favored the doctrine which most completely subjugated the human mind and annihilated reason."

[Voltaire]


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"All good Christians glory in the folly of the Cross. Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense."

[Voltaire, Philosophical Dictionary, 1764]


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"True greatness consists in the use of a powerful understanding to enlighten oneself and others."

[Voltaire]


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"God is not on the side of the big battalions, but on the side of those who shoot best."

[Voltaire, "Notebooks"]


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"What can we say to a man who tells you that he would rather obey God than men, and that therefore he is sure to go to heaven for butchering you? Even the law is impotent against these attacks of rage; it is like reading a court decree to a raving maniac. These fellows are certain that the holy spirit with which they are filled is above the law, that their enthusiasm is the only law that they must obey."

[Voltaire, 1764]


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"The first priest was the first rogue who met the first fool."

[Voltaire]


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"'It is demonstrated,' [Pangloss] said, 'that things cannot be otherwise: for, since everything was made for a purpose, everything is necessarily for the best purpose. Note that noses were made to wear spectacles; we therefore have spectacles. Legs were clearly devised to wear breeches, and we have breeches. Stones were created to be hewn and made into castles; (the Baron Thunder-Ten-Tronkh) therefore has a very beautiful castle...'"

[Voltaire, Candide]


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"As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities."

[Voltaire]


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"Hell: A cooking stove which heats the sacerdotal sauce-pan here below. It was founded on behalf of our priests, to the end that the latter may never be wanting in good cheer."

[Voltaire]


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"Holy Scripture: A book sent down from heaven.... Holy Scriptures contain all that a Christian should know and believe, provided he adds to it a million or so commentaries.

[Voltaire]


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"Moses: A prophet inspired of God who gave him a holy and righteous law, which he was obliged to change later on, seeing that it had become worthless.... He was the meekest of men, as he himself tells us."

[Voltaire]


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"Inspiration: A peculiar effect of divine flatulence emitted by the Holy Spirit which hisses into the ears of a few chosen of God...."

[Voltaire]


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"There are no sects in geometry."

[Voltaire, Philosophical Dictionary, 1764]


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"Superstition, born of paganism and adopted by Judaism, invested the Christian Church from earliest times. All the fathers of the Church, without exception, believed in the power of magic. The Church always condemned magic, but she always believed in it: she did not excommunicate sorcerers as madmen who were mistaken, but as men who were really in communication with the devil."

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"The truths of religion are never so well understood as by those who have lost their power of reasoning."

[Voltaire, Philosophical Dictionary, 1764]


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"To succeed in chaining the multitude, you must seem to wear the same fetters."

[Voltaire, Philosophical Dictionary, 1764]


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"God created sex. Priests created marriage."

[Voltaire]


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"Superstition sets the whole world in flames; philosophy quenches them."

[Voltaire]


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"The man who says to me, 'Believe as I do, or God will damn you,' will presently say, 'Believe as I do, or I shall assassinate you.'"

[Voltaire, "Selected Works"]


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"Every sensible man, every honest man, must hold the Christian sect in horror. But what shall we substitute in its place? you say. What? A ferocious animal has sucked the blood of my relatives. I tell you to rid yourselves of this beast, and you ask me what you shall put in its place?"

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"To worship God and to leave every other man free to worship Him in his own way; to love one's neighbor, enlightening them if one can and pitying those who remain in error; to dimiss as immaterial all questions that would have given us no trouble if no importance had been attached to them- this is my religion, it is worth all your systems and symbols."

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"I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write."

[Voltaire, in a letter to M. le Riche, Feb. 6, 1770. According to "They Never Said It" (Paul F. Boller & John George), OUP, 1989, p. 125, it was not Voltaire, but his biographer, Evelyn Beatrice Hall (1868-1919) writing under the pen name S.G. Tallentyre, paraphrasing Voltaire's attitude regarding a book censorship case in 1798. The phrase "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" is from S.G. Tallentyre "The Friends of Voltaire" (London, 1906), 176-205.]


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"Most of the great men of this world live as if they were atheists. Every man who has lived with his eyes open, knows that the knowledge of a God, his presence, and his justice, has not the slightest influence over the wars, the treaties, the objects of ambition, interest, or pleasure, in the pursuit of which they are wholly occupied."

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"Which is more dangerous: fanaticism or atheism? Fanaticism is certainly a thousand times more deadly; for atheism inspires no bloody passion whereas fanaticism does; atheism is opposed to crime and fanaticism causes crimes to be committed."

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"Atheism is the vice of a few intelligent people."

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"Jesus Christ: A name that once upon a time was taken by God when he went to make a short sojourn in Judea, where, failing to declare his right name ...he was hanged.... Had it not been for this lucky turn..., the human race had been lost."

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"If Christians want us to believe in a Redeeder, let them act redeemed."

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"Atheist: A name given by theologians to whoever differs from them in their ideas concerning the divinity, or who refuses to believe in it in the form of which, in the emptiness of their infallible pates, they have resolved to present it to him. As a rule an Atheist is any or every man who does not believe in the God of the Priest."

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"Auto de Fe: An act of faith. A dainty feast offered to the Divinity from time to time, and which consisted of roasting, in great pomp, the bodies of Jews or heretics for the salvation of their souls and the edification of the lookers-on."

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"Christianity: A religious system attributed to Jesus Christ, but really invented by Plato, improved by St. Paul, and finally revised and corrected by the Fathers, the councils, and other interpreters of the Church. Since the foundation of this sublime creed, mankind has become better, wiser, and happier than before. From that blessed epoch the world was forever freed from all strife, dissensions, troubles, vices, and evils of every kind; an invincible proof that Christianity is divine, and that it is to be possessed of the very devil himself to dare to commit such a creed or doubt its origin."

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"Christians have been the most intolerant of all men."

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"Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road."

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"In the midst of all the doubts which we have discussed for 4000 years in 4000 ways, the safest course is to do nothing against one's conscience. With this secret, we can enjoy life and have no fear from death."

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"Devil: The black sheep of the heavenly host, and the main prop of the Church....Without the devil God would cut but a sorry figure at best. The love of God is frequently but the fear of the devil."

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"Gospel: signifies good news. The good news that the gospel of the Christians came to announce to them is that their God is a God of wrath, that he has predestined the far greater number of them to hell-fire, that their happiness depends on their pious imbecility, their holy credulity, their sacred ravings, on the evil they do to one another through hatred of one another,...and on their antipathy for and persecution of all who do not agree with them or resemble them."

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"Would you believe that while the flames were consuming these innocent victims, the inquisitors and the other savages were chanting prayers? These pitiless monsters were invoking the God of mercy...While committing the most atrocious crime."

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"Reason is, of all things in the world, the most hurtful to a reasoning human being. God only allows it to remain with those he intends to damn, and in his goodness takes it away from those he intends to save or render useful to the Church....If reason had any part in religion, what then would become of faith."

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"Superstition: Any practice or form of religion to which we are not accustomed. Any worship that is not offered up to the true God is false and superstitious. The only true God is the God of our ; the only true worship is that which seems the most fitting to them; and to which they have accustomed us from our earliest childhood; any other worship is clearly superstitious, false, and even ridiculous."

[Voltaire, Pocket Theology]

[Book]

LOL @ Book quoting Einstein...



We can all at least thank God for our continuing sense of humor.

:D

[Awoke]

Don't spam this thread, Occam. I never posted the entire text from that page I keep referring to, and you should post all that Bullshit either.


Post a link or something.

[Antonio]

Don't spam this thread, Occam. I never posted the entire text from that page I keep referring to, and you should post all that Bullshit either.


Post a link or something.


Yes, Asleep, Voltaire is bullshit.

[sirgonzo420]

So then Gonzo, what has become of the original babylonian talmudist pharisiacs that were around at the time of Christ, 700+ years before the Khazart empire?





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora


I was merely estimating the percentage of modern "jews" of khazar ancestry at 90%. I have seen this percentage posited elsewhere, and khazar features can be noticed in the appearance of many modern "jews".

[Book]

I am back to square one.

It is the luciferian Talmudists who are claiming to be Gods Chosen ones, but are not.



Whew. Awoke's fever finally broke and he is back to normal again.

:D

[sirgonzo420]

"God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh."


[Voltaire]




True dat!

[Ponce]

Dam Antonio.....post again that way and ....""I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write."...... I'll pay someone to do me a favor.

[MAGNES]

So then Gonzo, what has become of the original babylonian talmudist pharisiacs that were around at the time of Christ, 700+ years before the Khazart empire?


They converted the Khazars.

" The rabbi's run the whole show, they tell the bankers what to do. "

Anty Ep, gim's greatest poster, key hidden history exposed.

The most hated man ever, lol .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiochus_IV_Epiphanes

It's the Rabbi's, the pics of the Chabab book posts about,
they do have secret knowledge kept from goyim, they have
a lot of experience in destroying peoples countries and robbing
them, the same cookie cutter MO almost going back millenium.

See Hatha and my reply. They Live.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XQX9JifgTjc/S5AnrZlJ_KI/AAAAAAAAAuU/kOGnpoV04nw/S660/The+Lubavitcher+Rabbi+explained+that+the+Jews+who+ died+in+the+Holocaust+got+divine+justice.JPG

http://www.firstlightforum.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Chabad-Lubavitcher-Jews-with-Bush-in-the-White-House1.jpeg

[7th trump]

No you guys.

The Khazars are out there and real, but the real satanic imposters were in place long before the Khazars empire. I am not talking exclusively about the Khazars who say they are jews and are not.

I have come to realize that I am talking about jews, who say they are the chosen race or israel and are not.

Is anyone reading my posts? I made it simple as to honor books Einstein quote.




I think that as it stands right now, to put it simply and in point form, I am leaning towards this:

- Moses, Abraham, Isaac, David and the rest are not "jews", but Judahites

- The religion of Judahites is the Old Testament religion, which should be called Hebrewism or Yahwehism

- The "jews" are not the same people that God made the covenant with

- The "jewish religion" is Pharisaism, which we know today as judaism, which is babylonian.



The Father never made a covenant with the people who we know as jews.

He made the covenant with the Judahites, which is the line where Christ can be traced, if that article is correct, which I have not verified. This is obviously something I need to dig into.



Yes. The "jews" of today are fakers squared.

They are "khazars" posing as "jews" posing as the "elect(saved)".

God's covenant with the hebrews was the OLD testament. Christ came and replaced the OLD with the NEW testament (the gospel).

Some "christians" would have you believe that one MUST believe in Christ to attain salvation, unless your mother is jewish, is which case you don't need Christ's salvation.

Sir you are wrong about the Elect.
The Elect are predestined to one thing and one thing only and thats to witness against satan when he gets here on this earth play acting as Christ.
And no the Old Testiment is not replaced by the New Testiment.
The New testiment didnt change one dot of the Law or Commandments of the Old Testiment. The Old stands to this day.
The only time anything that was changed was from Christ Himself. Christ stoped all animal blood sacrifices and shortened the time satan on earth down to only 5 months instead of 7 years. And that time was shortened only for the Elects sake.
Mary herself had t ogo through Christ so what makes you think just because your a chosen one you get a pass?

[Book]

I wasn't trying to convince you of anything. You might benefit by turning your attention inward occasionally and try to determine how much of your own thinking was put there by somebody else. And how strongly you hold on to that. Awoke appears to have done that. How often do you question your own beliefs?



I don't "question" them like Awoke is doing in this thread but I constantly test them.

:)

[Awoke]

So then Gonzo, what has become of the original babylonian talmudist pharisiacs that were around at the time of Christ, 700+ years before the Khazart empire?





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora


I was merely estimating the percentage of modern "jews" of khazar ancestry at 90%. I have seen this percentage posited elsewhere, and khazar features can be noticed in the appearance of many modern "jews".


I am aware of the khazars and that they make up 90% of the people who claim to be Gods Chosen but are not.

I thought you knew something that I didn't in regards to the liniage of the Pharisiacs that were babylonian talmudists during Christs time here on earth in the Flesh. That's what I was asking about.

[Horn]

I believe the history in this case will only help you not to repeat it.

Some still choose to ignore it though.

Anyway, we've got all the bases covered here.

Nothin's slippin through the hoops to uhh whereverland?

[sunnyandseventy]

So do the jews I know have any idea they are khazar? Does my doc know he's khazar? Or do they really believe they are the Jews?

[Book]

My inner, moral struggle with this whole thing is that I was looking at myself as a jew-hater.

While technically that might be accurate, the most important thing to understand is that...



...some guy laid the old "don't be a jew hater" trip on you and you lost your balance as per the OP.

After all this you now feel more comfortable saying "Talmudist Jews" instead.

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[dys]

Truth tends to be very simple, but not effectively explained simply.

Here are two examples of things that I'm reasonably certain are true along my attempts to explain them simply:

1. The MSM is corrupt and I know this because they refuse to report the truth concerning the Federal Reserve.
2. Our monetary system allows financial institutions to create money out of thin air and is therefore constructive fraud.

Now try tellling these things to people that aren't ready to hear them. As Hatha said, they will think you are crazy.
Remember the Satanic axiom: even if you tell the truth, perhaps because you tell the truth, no one will believe you.

With that in mind, I will state explicitly what I believe to be the truth-

The power behind subversive groups is Satanic. The people in the subversive groups are themselves victims, not perpetrators. These groups are only stooges for the REAL enemy, which is Satan and his minions.

dys

[Antonio]

A REAL CASE AGAINST THE JEWS
One of Them Points Out the Full Depth of Their Guilt


MARCUS ELI RAVAGE



OF COURSE, you do resent us. It is no good telling me you don’t. So let us not waste any time on denials and alibis. You know you do, and I know it, and we understand each other. To be sure, some of your best friends are Jews, and all that. I have heard that before once or twice, I think. And I know, too, that you do not include me personally—“me” being any particular individual Jew—when you fling out at us in your wholesale fashion, because I am, well, so different, don’t you know, almost as good as one of yourselves. That little exemption does not, somehow, move me to gratitude; but never mind that now. It is the aggressive, climbing, pushing, materialistic sort you dislike—those, in a word, who remind you so much of your own up-and-coming brethren. We understand each other perfectly. I don’t hold it against you.



Bless my soul, I do not blame anybody for disliking anybody. The thing that intrigues me about this anti-Jewish business, as you play at it, is your total lack of grit. You are so indirect and roundabout with it, you make such transparent excuses, you seem to be suffering from self-consciousness so horribly, that if the performance were not grotesque, it would be irritating.



It is not as if you were amateurs: you have been at it for over fifteen centuries. Yet watching you and hearing your childish pretexts, one might get the impression that you did not know yourselves what it is all about. You resent us, but you cannot clearly say why. You think up a new excuse—a “reason” is what you call it—every other day. You have been piling up justifications for yourselves these many hundreds of years and each new invention is more laughable than the last and each new excuse contradicts and annihilates the last.



Not so many years ago I used to hear that we were money-grubbers and commercial materialists; now the complaint is being whispered around that no art and no profession is safe against Jewish invasion.



We are, if you are to be believed, at once clannish and exclusive and unassimilable because we won’t intermarry with you, and we are also climbers and pushers and a menace to your racial integrity.



Our standard of living is so low that we create your slums and sweated industries, and so high that we crowd you out of your best residential sections.



We shirk our patriotic duty in wartime because we are pacifists by nature and tradition, and we are the arch-plotters of universal wars and the chief beneficiaries of those wars (see the late “Dearborn Independent,” passim, and “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”).



We are at once the founders and leading adherents of capitalism and the chief perpetrators of the rebellion against capitalism.



Surely, history has nothing like us for versatility!



And, oh! I almost forgot the reason of reasons. We are the stiff-necked people who never accepted Christianity, and we are the criminal people who crucified its founder.



But I can tell you, you are self-deceivers. You lack either the self-knowledge or the mettle to face the facts squarely and own up to the truth. You resent the Jew not because, as some of you seem to think, he crucified Jesus but because he gave him birth. Your real quarrel with us is not that we have rejected Christianity but that we have imposed it upon you!



Your loose, contradictory charges against us are not a patch on the blackness of our proved historic offense. You accuse us of stirring up revolution in Moscow. Suppose we admit the charge. What of it? Compared with what Paul the Jew of Tarsus accomplished in Rome, the Russian upheaval is a mere street brawl.



You make much noise and fury about the undue Jewish influence in your theaters and movie palaces. Very good; granted your complaint is well-founded. But what is that compared to our staggering influence in your churches, your schools, your laws and your governments, and the very thoughts you think every day?



A clumsy Russian forges a set of papers and publishes them in a book called “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion,” which shows that we plotted to bring on the late World War. You believe that book. All right. For the sake of argument we will underwrite every word of it. It is genuine and authentic. But what is that beside the unquestionable historical conspiracy which we have carried out, which we have never denied because you never had the courage to charge us with it, and of which the full record is extant for anybody to read?



If you really are serious when you talk of Jewish plots, may I not direct your attention to one worth talking about? What use is it wasting words on the alleged control of your public opinion by Jewish financiers, newspaper owners and movie magnates, when you might as well justly accuse us of the proved control of your whole civilization by the Jewish Gospels?



You have not begun to appreciate the real depth of our guilt. We are intruders. We are disturbers. We are subverters. We have taken your natural world, your ideals, your destiny, and played havoc with them. We have been at the bottom not merely of the latest great war but of nearly all your wars, not only of the Russian but of every other major revolution in your history. We have brought discord and confusion and frustration into your personal and public life. We are still doing it. No one can tell how long we shall go on doing it.



Look back a little and see what has happened. Nineteen hundred years ago you were an innocent, care-free, pagan race. You worshipped countless gods and goddesses, the spirits of the air, of the running streams and of the woodland. You took unblushing pride in the glory of your naked bodies. You carved images of your gods and of the tantalizing human figure. You delighted in the combats of the field, the arena and the battle-ground. War and slavery were fixed institutions in your systems. Disporting yourselves on the hillsides and in the valleys of the great outdoors, you took to speculating on the wonder and mystery of life and laid the foundations of natural science and philosophy. Yours was a noble, sensual culture, unirked by the prickings of a social conscience or by any sentimental questionings about human equality. Who knows what great and glorious destiny might have been yours if we had left you alone.



But we did not leave you alone. We took you in hand and pulled down the beautiful and generous structure you had reared, and changed the whole course of your history. We conquered you as no empire of yours ever subjugated Africa or Asia. And we did it all without armies, without bullets, without blood or turmoil, without force of any kind. We did it solely by the irresistible might of our spirit, with ideas, with propaganda.



We made you the willing and unconscious bearers of our mission to the whole world, to the barbarous races of the earth, to the countless unborn generations. Without fully understanding what we were doing to you, you became the agents at large of our racial tradition, carrying our gospel to the unexplored ends of the earth.



Our tribal customs have become the core of your moral code. Our tribal laws have furnished the basic groundwork of all your august constitutions and legal systems. Our legends and our folk tales are the sacred lore which you croon to your infants. Our poets have filled your hymnals and your prayer books. Our national history has become an indispensable part of your pastors and priests and scholars. Our kings, our statesmen, our prophets, our warriors are your heroes. Our ancient little country is your Holy Land. Our national literature is your Holy Bible. What our people thought and taught has become inextricably woven into your very speech and tradition, until no one among you can be called educated who is not familiar with our racial heritage.



Jewish artisans and Jewish fishermen are your teachers and your saints, with countless statues carved in their image and innumerable cathedrals raised to their memories. A Jewish maiden is your ideal of womanhood. A Jewish rebel-prophet is the central figure in your religious worship. We have pulled down your idols, cast aside your racial inheritance, and substituted for them our God and our traditions. No conquest in history can even remotely compare with this clean sweep of our conquest over you.



How did we do it? Almost by accident. Two thousand years ago nearly, in far-off Palestine, our religion had fallen into decay and materialism. Money-changers were in possession of the temple. Degenerate, selfish priests mulcted our people and grew fat. Then a young patriot-idealist arose and went about the land calling for a revival of faith. He had no thought of setting up a new church. Like all the prophets before him, his only aim was to purify and revitalize the old creed. He attacked the priests and drove the money-changers from the temple. This brought him into conflict with the established order and its supporting pillars. The Roman authorities, who were in occupation of the country, fearing his revolutionary agitation as a political effort to oust them, arrested him, tried him and condemned him to death by crucifixion, a common form of execution at that time.



The followers of Jesus of Nazareth, mainly slaves and poor workmen, in their bereavement and disappointment, turned away from the world and formed themselves into a brotherhood of pacifist non-resisters, sharing the memory of their crucified leader and living together communistically. They were merely a new sect in Judea, without power or consequence, neither the first nor the last.



Only after the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans did the new creed come into prominence. Then a patriotic Jew named Paul or Saul conceived the idea of humbling the Roman power by destroying the morale or its soldiery with the doctrines of love and non-resistance preached by the little sect of Jewish Christians. He became the Apostle to the Gentiles, he who hitherto had been one of the most active persecutors of the band. And so well did Paul do his work that within four centuries the great empire which had subjugated Palestine along with half of the world, was a heap of ruins. And the law which went forth from Zion became the official religion of Rome.



This was the beginning of our dominance in your world. But it was only a beginning. From this time forth your history is little more than a struggle for mastery between your own old pagan spirit and our Jewish spirit. Half your wars, great and little, are religious wars, fought over the interpretation of one thing or another in our teachings. You no sooner broke free from your primitive religious simplicity and attempted the practice of the pagan Roman learning than Luther armed with our gospels arose to down you and enthrone our heritage. Take the three principal revolutions in modern times—the French, the American and the Russian. What are they but the triumph of the Jewish idea of social, political and economic justice?



And the end is still a long way off. We still dominate you. At this very moment your churches are torn asunder by a civil war between Fundamentalists and Modernists, that is to say between those who cling to our teachings and traditions literally and those who are striving by slow steps to dispossess us. In Dayton, Tennessee, a Bible-bred community forbids the teaching of your science because it conflicts with our ancient Jewish account of the origin of life; and Mr. Bryan, the leader of the anti-Jewish Ku Klux Klan in the Democratic National Convention, makes the supreme fight of his life in our behalf, without noticing the contradiction. Again and again the Puritan heritage of Judea breaks out in waves of stage censorship, Sunday blue laws and national prohibition acts. And while these things are happening you twaddle about Jewish influence in the movies!



Is it any wonder you resent us? We have put a clog upon your progress. We have imposed upon you an alien book and an alien faith which you cannot swallow or digest, which is at cross-purposes with your native spirit, which keeps you everlastingly ill-at-ease, and which you lack the spirit either to reject or to accept in full.



In full, of course, you never have accepted our Christian teachings. In your hearts you still are pagans. You still love war and graven images and strife. You still take pride in the glory of the nude human figure. Your social conscience, in spite of all democracy and all your social revolutions, is still a pitifully imperfect thing. We have merely divided your soul, confused your impulses, paralyzed your desires. In the midst of battle you are obliged to kneel down to him who commanded you to turn the other cheek, who said “Resist not evil” and “Blessed are the peacemakers.” In your lust for gain you are suddenly disturbed by a memory from your Sunday-school days about taking no thought for the morrow. In your industrial struggles, when you would smash a strike without compunction, you are suddenly reminded that the poor are blessed and that men are brothers in the Fatherhood of the Lord. And as you are about to yield to temptation, your Jewish training puts a deterrent hand on your shoulder and dashes the brimming cup from your lips. You Christians have never become Christianized. To that extent we have failed with you. But we have forever spoiled the fun of paganism for you.



So why should you not resent us? If we were in your place we should probably dislike you more cordially than you do us. But we should make no bones about telling you why. We should not resort to subterfuges and transparent pretexts. With millions of painfully respectable Jewish shopkeepers all about us we should not insult your intelligence and our own honesty by talking about communism as a Jewish philosophy. And with millions of hard-working impecunious Jewish peddlers and laborers we should not make ourselves ridiculous by talking about international capitalism as a Jewish monopoly. No, we should go straight to the point. We should contemplate this confused, ineffectual muddle which we call civilization, this half-Christian half-pagan medley, and—were our places reversed—we should say to you point-blank: “For this mess thanks to you, to your prophets and to your Bible.”

[Awoke]

I am back to square one.

It is the luciferian Talmudists who are claiming to be Gods Chosen ones, but are not.



Whew. Awoke's fever finally broke and he is back to normal again.

:D



Very cute.

Things are not the same.

Before
I thought I was hating on the actual "Biblical Chosen Ones" because they are apostate.


Now
I realize that I am hating on imposters who are pretending to be "the Biblical Chosen ones turned apostate".

It's a subtle difference, but it makes all the difference in the world. Recognizing the fact that the people who are claiming to be "jews" are making a play on words, and fooling the people of the world into believing "judaism" is the religion of the Old Testament.




The entire world is tricked, my Christian friends included, into believing that these people are the same ones that God made his covenant with.

They are not. That is mind blowing. Am I slow? I can't believe this revelation. To me, this makes everything else make sense.

I questioned and wondered and agonized over the actions of "israel" and the "jews", thinking the whole time "These are God's chosen people that he loves and made the covenant with, so how can they behave like this?", but in reality the people running israel and calling themselves jews are imposters.

Where are the decendants of Judah?

[sirgonzo420]

So then Gonzo, what has become of the original babylonian talmudist pharisiacs that were around at the time of Christ, 700+ years before the Khazart empire?





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora


I was merely estimating the percentage of modern "jews" of khazar ancestry at 90%. I have seen this percentage posited elsewhere, and khazar features can be noticed in the appearance of many modern "jews".


I am aware of the khazars and that they make up 90% of the people who claim to be Gods Chosen but are not.

I thought you knew something that I didn't in regards to the liniage of the Pharisiacs that were babylonian talmudists during Christs time here on earth in the Flesh. That's what I was asking about.


Modern jewry is *philosophically* descended from the pharisees (via the Talmud).

Some modern jews purport to be descended *genealogically* from the pharisees.

For example, the Kohanim http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohen and the Leviyim http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levites (which would be jews with last names such as Cohen, Coen, and variations, as well Levi, etc)

[dys]

I am back to square one.

It is the luciferian Talmudists who are claiming to be Gods Chosen ones, but are not.



Whew. Awoke's fever finally broke and he is back to normal again.

:D



Very cute.

Things are not the same.

Before
I thought I was hating on the actual "Biblical Chosen Ones" because they are apostate.


Now
I realize that I am hating on imposters who are pretending to be "the Biblical Chosen ones turned apostate".

It's a subtle difference, but it makes all the difference in the world. Recognizing the fact that the people who are claiming to be "jews" are making a play on words, and fooling the people of the world into believing "judaism" is the religion of the Old Testament.




The entire world is tricked, my Christian friends included, into believing that these people are the same ones that God made his covenant with.

They are not. That is mind blowing. Am I slow? I can't believe this revelation. To me, this makes everything else make sense.

I questioned and wondered and agonized over the actions of "israel" and the "jews", thinking the whole time "These are God's chosen people that he loves and made the covenant with, so how can they behave like this?", but in reality the people running israel and calling themselves jews are imposters.

Where are the decendants of Judah?






I have read before that white people are the true descendents of Judah. It was a good year ago and I unfortunately don't remember the source, but the argument seemed pretty compelling when I read it. That's one source I wish I could find.

dys

[Book]

Things are not the same.

Before
I thought I was hating on the actual "Biblical Chosen Ones" because they are apostate.


Now
I realize that I am hating on imposters who are pretending to be "the Biblical Chosen ones turned apostate".

It's a subtle difference, but it makes all the difference in the world. Recognizing the fact that the people who are claiming to be "jews" are making a play on words, and fooling the people of the world into believing "judaism" is the religion of the Old Testament.

The entire world is tricked, my Christian friends included, into believing that these people are the same ones that God made his covenant with.

They are not. That is mind blowing. Am I slow? I can't believe this revelation. To me, this makes everything else make sense...



You are almost there. Don't buy into their "hater" label. Don't wear it. Don't own it. It is an ADL meme invented to instill goyim guilt. Also, don't confuse being discerning with being judgmental. Identifying those who are destroying us is not "hate". Warning others about those who are destroying us is not "hate".

Lose their "hater" meme guilt trip.

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[Awoke]

I was just using it for a lack of better words.

I don't hate anyone.

[MAGNES]

We don't hate anyone, are we supposed to close our eyes and bend over.

By understanding their works we are preparing and even making some money.

SirGonzo Post, fits mine and Hatha comments, and supports Anty Ep .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohen

Rabbi class, Wesley Clarke is even one of these, WACO and bombing Serbs.

We don't hate anyone !

It's not all Jews, my comments.
http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/what's-all-this-stuff-about-jews-globalists-have-no-nationality/msg205443/#msg205443

According to the Talmud we are sub humans to be bled and harvested.

They threaten their own with death for revealing the Talmud to goyim.

They hate our females even worse, the goyim manufacturing plant, " shitskas ".

These are not slurs, these are Judicial teachings, your status in law, you have non.

I ain't a hater for pointing that out. They are. Lots more like that.

[Book]

I was just using it for a lack of better words.

I don't hate anyone.



http://thepottypatrol.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/angry-woman.jpg

Of course you don't. I don't either. "Hate" is something those Hollywood women exhibit in jew revenge movies...lol.

:D

[Tumbleweed]

let's just all chill out & go smoke a dube


Where'rd you learn how to talk like that Old Herb lady? :)

[Awoke]

Magnes, Book and Hoarder and the rest of you, I appreciate your posts and I always have.



I want to be clear that the imposters I am aware of and critically thinking of predate the Khazar empire and spring from Babylon.

Yes the khazars make up 90% of the modern-day group known as "jews", but the deciet started long before the khazars ever had a place as a cog in the machine.

I look at the khazar empire embracing judaism and see it basically as satan basically bolstering his numbers, but they are not genetically related to the original line of pharisiac talmudists that Christ spoke to in John 8:44.

[Book]

http://www.come-and-hear.com/navigate.html

No argument from me. I have been posting this link regularly since the old GIM1.

:)

[Awoke]

That page is blocked here. I will have to check it out from home.

EDIT - Unless you feel like posting some of the text.

[Horn]

A wise old bear called smokey once told me, that when you're in the midst of reloading your brain.

Give your heart sometime to catchup, as that's the only way to make the mouth shoot the true.

Or something to that effect,

Though it wasn't directed solely at me, (as you might imagine) but more a philosophy in training.

[sirgonzo420]

Magnes, Book and Hoarder and the rest of you, I appreciate your posts and I always have.



I want to be clear that the imposters I am aware of and critically thinking of predate the Khazar empire and spring from Babylon.

Yes the khazars make up 90% of the modern-day group known as "jews", but the deciet started long before the khazars ever had a place as a cog in the machine.

I look at the khazar empire embracing judaism and see it basically as satan basically bolstering his numbers, but they are not genetically related to the original line of pharisiac talmudists that Christ spoke to in John 8:44.




Correct.

[Book]

http://www.come-and-hear.com/navigate.html

Write it down and visit when you get home. One of the most important websites on the internet.

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[MAGNES]

Magnes, Book and Hoarder and the rest of you, I appreciate your posts and I always have.

I want to be clear that the imposters I am aware of and critically thinking of predate the Khazar empire and spring from Babylon.

Yes the khazars make up 90% of the modern-day group known as "jews", but the deciet started long before the khazars ever had a place as a cog in the machine.

I look at the khazar empire embracing judaism and see it basically as satan basically bolstering his numbers, but they are not genetically related to the original line of pharisiac talmudists that Christ spoke to in John 8:44.


Awoke , all my posts take this into account, no Khazars, to simplify/focus the debate.

Throw that in though and it just helps the argument, they are not Judeans, Hebrews.
And they are the majority and totally constructed, even Jewish authors have books on this.

Awoke you would benefit by going to original translations in OT, there are two threads on this
I wrote some key stuff in, I am no OT or bible expert, far from it, but the problems of translation
are not peculiar to Bible, even ancient Greek translations constantly get redone even though we
can read them and understand them, even people here can read some, LOL , And the history of
the area is important, real history, archeology, not biblical writing, but it is good
to refer to it, Jews claim all this as their own and I will use that to discredit
them.

[Awoke]

Awoke is my real name.


gunDriller is my Indian name.


Funny, because I actually asked you about your name, here:

http://gold-silver.us/forum/firearms/first-gun-purchase-rifle-vs-handgun-revolver-vs-automatic/msg208304/#msg208304

[Libertarian_Guard]

I've asked this before ponce....How do you tell them apart?



Best question ever asked at GSUS. Who has an answer???

:)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9OIqy6md9w



Rabbi Weiss explains the difference between zionist jews & real Jews.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjWAGscG7rs

[bellevuebully]

Bellvubully I didn't say it said that in the new testament.

We are commanded to love one another and I believe it is an act of love to reach out to the Jews when the opportunity presents itself or at least point out the error of their ways. Also to inform fellow christians about them so they arn't led away.


Tumbleweed. You are correct and I have erred. In haste, I completely misinterpreted your post. Nowhere did you say that it was a Christian duty to expose Jews for their actions. I apologize for my statement to you. Please forgive me.

You are right in what you did say. It is our duty to lead others to Christ.

To clarify my position, I am of the mind that focusing on exposing the sins of the jews is spiritual folly. As sinners, we are all in the same boat (Jew or Gentile) and emphasising in our own minds their actions (as many here do) leads us to become oblivious from whence we came (specifically referring to Christians). Romans 9-11 describes what I am trying to express. If you are not familiar with it, please read it. Specifically 11:11-24. Chasing who is a jew, and what is a jew and do jews exist, or are they Khazars, etc, is a big distraction from, as you say, seeing all as those in need of Christ and minimizes God's mercy to all of us. In fact, I see it as a big trap. <<Awoke, that response is as much for you, as it is for Tumbleweed, so please give it some close consideration.

Again, please forgive my misrepresentation of what you posted.

[Awoke]

BellevueBully
I hear and respect what you're saying about it, however I refuse to close my eyes to it and pretend it's not there.
(Regarding the evil being carried out by the pharisiac talmudists)

That doesn't mean that it is my primary focus.
It just means I will not choose to ignore it, or avoid make discernments regarding it.



Evil is evil, no matter what disguise it wears, and knowingly not exposing it makes one complicit.

[Book]

...knowingly not exposing it makes one complicit.



Exactly.

[hoarder]

My inner, moral struggle with this whole thing is that I was looking at myself as a jew-hater.

There is nothing immoral about giving the Khazars credit for their cleverness.

We already know "jew-hater" falls into the category of "words used to prevent information from being conveyed".
Our enemies have given shame to the truth, another one of their clever tricks. They are the real haters and they have projected this on us.

We don't want to be "jew-haters" because we won't be right with God. But we know they aren't Judeans.

We don't want to be "jew-haters" because then the wife can't have respectability....

But now that we know the score, our job is to make truth respectable and place shame on their lies.

[DMac]

Maybe Awoke got a call from the ADL/SPLC ;)

The average Jew on the street has never been the problem. The Talmudic (satanic) Rabbis have been a problem for over 1000 years. Chabad, IMO, is the current leadership of this current incarnation of evil.

Pointing out, discussing and identifying that there is a "Kosher Nostra" does not make one a hater, regardless of how loudly the ADL screams "HATER". Reluctance to identify these perpetrators helps them achieve their goals.

When it comes to bringing darkness to light, even though I am likely considered "a sinner", I will continue to refuse to "turn the other cheek" and acquiesce, and not allow and enable the so called "chosen race" to perform their evil absent remonstration.

I'm glad you feel as if you are releasing hate from your heart Awoke. However, I hope you do not allow your new found revelation to cloud your vision in identifying and condemning the practitioners of evil. Be they so called Christian, Jew, Muslim, Atheist et al.

[Nordmann]

The jewish problem is of a biological nature and all this Khazar talk is just bullshit, they are Canaanites and have always been so.

"they are not real jews but converts herptiderp", "it's not the jews, it's the illuminati herptiderp" etc.

[Tumbleweed]

Ok Awoke I've read the article at the link you posted. I have no problem with that and have read similar things in the past. It's what I believe to be true.
There is no salvation for those who turn against God and deny that we can be saved thorugh the sacrifice of Jesus Christ for us.

I was afraid you'd gone over to the dark side ;)







I am back to square one.

It is the luciferian Talmudists who are claiming to be Gods Chosen ones, but are not.



So book, take your Einstein quote and put it where the sun don't shine.


Awoke you've lost me. I don't know what the hell you're talking about now :conf:


Tumbleweed brother, unless you read this page, you will never understand my new understanding.

http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/jewish_conspiracy_9.html

[learn2swim]

Evil can't exist organically. It must hide within a legit association, and corrupt them from the inside over a period of time.

[Libertytree]

Once again my hat is off to you all, thank you for sharing your wealth's of knowledge, insight and opinions! I appreciate trying to learn and understand this very deep and convoluted topic, even from the sidelines.

[Ponce]

Anyone here who says that he, or she, is a "real" Jew is not, for the simple reason that the real Jews only use the comp (not many of them) to study their religion.........

Libertytree? there is nothing to "study".....by their actions you will know who and what they are.....if a snake bites you and you die it is then a poisonus snake.

[Spectrism]

Anyone here who says that he, or she, is a "real" Jew is not, for the simple reason that the real Jews only use the comp (not many of them) to study their religion.........

Libertytree? there is nothing to "study".....by their actions you will know who and what they are.....if a snake bites you and you die it is then a poisonus snake.


Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew that is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that outwardly in flesh;
Rom 2:29 but he is a Jew that is one inwardly, and circumcision is of heart, in spirit, not in letter; of whom the praise is not from men, but from God.

[Tumbleweed]

Bellvubully I didn't say it said that in the new testament.

We are commanded to love one another and I believe it is an act of love to reach out to the Jews when the opportunity presents itself or at least point out the error of their ways. Also to inform fellow christians about them so they arn't led away.


Tumbleweed. You are correct and I have erred. In haste, I completely misinterpreted your post. Nowhere did you say that it was a Christian duty to expose Jews for their actions. I apologize for my statement to you. Please forgive me.

You are right in what you did say. It is our duty to lead others to Christ.

To clarify my position, I am of the mind that focusing on exposing the sins of the jews is spiritual folly. As sinners, we are all in the same boat (Jew or Gentile) and emphasising in our own minds their actions (as many here do) leads us to become oblivious from whence we came (specifically referring to Christians). Romans 9-11 describes what I am trying to express. If you are not familiar with it, please read it. Specifically 11:11-24. Chasing who is a jew, and what is a jew and do jews exist, or are they Khazars, etc, is a big distraction from, as you say, seeing all as those in need of Christ and minimizes God's mercy to all of us. In fact, I see it as a big trap. <<Awoke, that response is as much for you, as it is for Tumbleweed, so please give it some close consideration.

Again, please forgive my misrepresentation of what you posted.


It's ok Bellelevuebully I was worried about both you and Awoke. I'm glad we're on the same side of this issue.

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[gunDriller]

After all this you now feel more comfortable saying "Talmudist Jews" instead.

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that's related to why i prefer the term, "Talmud-worshipper".

there are plenty of people who are not Jewish who live their lives by the Talmud. most of us have met such people, been stabbed in the back by them, watched them kill other people (e.g. Israel's Operation Cast Lead), etc.

former pResidents George Bush41 & Bill Clinton are 2 good examples. Bush41 the what, Methodist, and Clinton the what, Baptist ?

yet they live by the Talmud, whether or not they have read it.

and many Jewish people would have nothing to do with the Talmud, because they retain a moral compass. many of us have people like this as friends, co-workers, gym acquaintances, etc.

[Horn]

After all this you now feel more comfortable saying "Talmudist Jews" instead.

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that's related to why i prefer the term, "Talmud-worshipper".

there are plenty of people who are not Jewish who live their lives by the Talmud. most of us have met such people, been stabbed in the back by them, watched them kill other people (e.g. Israel's Operation Cast Lead), etc.

former pResidents George Bush41 & Bill Clinton are 2 good examples. Bush41 the what, Methodist, and Clinton the what, Baptist ?

yet they live by the Talmud, whether or not they have read it.

and many Jewish people would have nothing to do with the Talmud, because they retain a moral compass. many of us have people like this as friends, co-workers, gym acquaintances, etc.




Right, and if you use the term Zionist, you can apply that to nearly half of all people you meet.

They've managed to convert many into believing that they are somehow deserved of a chunk of real estate based solely on their religious affiliation as pre-requisite, and that Pseudo-Theocracy as an American value deserved of support.

Even if it is retained by some as a "not in my backyard mentality". ;D

As far as the demons & luciferians, I'll leave that up to God. Unless some bright white shines down upon me & I am given a flying steed & infallible blade to seek & destroy. All my talking about them would just garnish them more power, by creating the air of fear which they breed upon. The best defense in my mind is valuing freedom from any congregation, anything else is assuming I've been charged with the task directly.

Until then I can only forgive the human race's lust for slaver chains & for filling in the spaces between commercials on the nightly news.

[Awoke]

Right, and if you use the term Zionist, you can apply that to nearly half of all people you meet.

They've managed to convert many into believing that they are somehow deserved of a chunk of real estate based solely on their religious affiliation as pre-requisite, and that Pseudo-Theocracy as an American value deserved of support.



The bible is clear that Zion will belong to the true Judahites in the end.

What we are seeing today is satanists who are pretending to be Judahites, invading and desecrating that holy land, and claiming that it is theirs. They who claim to be God's Chosen but are not.

[7th trump]

Right, and if you use the term Zionist, you can apply that to nearly half of all people you meet.

They've managed to convert many into believing that they are somehow deserved of a chunk of real estate based solely on their religious affiliation as pre-requisite, and that Pseudo-Theocracy as an American value deserved of support.



The bible is clear that Zion will belong to the true Judahites in the end.

What we are seeing today is satanists who are pretending to be Judahites, invading and desecrating that holy land, and claiming that it is theirs. They who claim to be God's Chosen but are not.

Yep, you said that correctly Awoke, just like its written in Revelation, chapter 13, verse 6, that the desolater (the abomination, their father, satan) will stand in Jerusalem claiming to be Christ.
Just like their father, satan, play acting as Christ they too are fakes.
satan appearence at the 6th trumpet is "peacefully and prosperously" as a lamb (Christ) having horns (power) but has the voice of a dragon (the serpent play acting as Christ to fool the world into beleiving he is Christ which is to say "taking the number of the beast on your forehead".)

[Horn]

The bible is clear that Zion will belong to the true Judahites in the end.


I'm sorry, but God as a real estate agent just doesn't work for me.

I like to think he leaves drawing lines in the ground up to man, but that's just me.

No offence meant, to the scribes.

[7th trump]

The bible is clear that Zion will belong to the true Judahites in the end.


I'm sorry, but God as a real estate agent just doesn't work for me.

I like to think he leaves drawing lines in the ground up to man, but that's just me.

No offence meant, to the scribes.



Actually Jerusalem is Gods most favorite spot in the whole un ivers and He will be coming back to reestablish His thrown there.
I beleive 1st Cor, chtpr 15, verses 50-52 is where Christ hands over the keys of earth to God Himself.

[Low Pan]

The bible is clear that Zion will belong to the true Judahites in the end.


I'm sorry, but God as a real estate agent just doesn't work for me.

I like to think he leaves drawing lines in the ground up to man, but that's just me.

No offence meant, to the scribes.



Actually Jerusalem is Gods most favorite spot in the whole un ivers and He will be coming back to reestablish His thrown there.
I beleive 1st Cor, chtpr 15, verses 50-52 is where Christ hands over the keys of earth to God Himself.


is Satans fav spot to vacation Sirius? hehe, I jest ;D

[Ponce]

To me "religion" is the one that you yourself created in your head, either by families ties or brainwashing.

The only true religion is the "NO RELIGION".

[Awoke]

To me "religion" is the one that you yourself created in your head, either by families ties or brainwashing.

The only true religion is the "NO RELIGION".


Ponce, GTFO of this thread if you are not going to contribute.
We all know you're an atheist, and satan has had his victory over you by making sure you don't believe in Christ.

I said in the first post of this thread that non-believes should MYOB and not get involved in this discussion, because it is a spiritual discussion, posted by a Christian.

[oldmansmith]

To me "religion" is the one that you yourself created in your head, either by families ties or brainwashing.

The only true religion is the "NO RELIGION".


Ponce, GTFO of this thread if you are not going to contribute.
We all know you're an atheist, and satan has had his victory over you by making sure you don't believe in Christ.

I said in the first post of this thread that non-believes should MYOB and not get involved in this discussion, because it is a spiritual discussion, posted by a Christian.


Well, there it is. Glad you have such a big tent that only Christians can be spiritual.

[Awoke]

To me "religion" is the one that you yourself created in your head, either by families ties or brainwashing.

The only true religion is the "NO RELIGION".


Ponce, GTFO of this thread if you are not going to contribute.
We all know you're an atheist, and satan has had his victory over you by making sure you don't believe in Christ.

I said in the first post of this thread that non-believes should MYOB and not get involved in this discussion, because it is a spiritual discussion, posted by a Christian.


Well, there it is. Glad you have such a big tent that only Christians can be spiritual.


Don't try to twist my words.
I never said only Christians can be spiritual.

It is elementary that atheists can not be.

[oldmansmith]

To me "religion" is the one that you yourself created in your head, either by families ties or brainwashing.

The only true religion is the "NO RELIGION".


Ponce, GTFO of this thread if you are not going to contribute.
We all know you're an atheist, and satan has had his victory over you by making sure you don't believe in Christ.

I said in the first post of this thread that non-believes should MYOB and not get involved in this discussion, because it is a spiritual discussion, posted by a Christian.


Well, there it is. Glad you have such a big tent that only Christians can be spiritual.


Don't try to twist my words.
I never said only Christians can be spiritual.

It is elementary that atheists can not be.


Apologies if I misunderstood you. I consider myself a reformed Christian, but am most definitely spiritual.

[goldleaf]

Its obvious that many who claim to be jews are not. They all work together with the same goal in mind.
The Spanish Inquisition was initiated to oust the jews, [Maranos], pretending to be Catholic. Why couldn't
it work the other way? I sincerely believe though, that the jews of old are the reason we are in the mess
we are today.

I was taught in Catechism that we are to pray for the conversion of the jews and all sinners. A quote that always helped my own confusion is " hate the sin, love the sinner". This can sometimes be a hard thing to do considering the fallen state of man.

When you look at the Catholic church today and see how it has been subverted and infiltrated by jews
and freemasons shouldn't it make you wonder what the good vs. evil really is? There are many informative
books written by saints and priests before vatican ll. I would like to suggest a book by Fr. Denis Fahey,
" The Mystical Body of Christ in the Modern World". this book delves deep into the jewish Question. He was
a prolific writer and has many other comparable books.

[MAGNES]

Ponce,


AWOKE BROTHER! I contributed a lot to this thread.
This thread has to do with History mostly, it is not a religious thread, who are the " jews " .

Christians would strongly benefit from studying related history, it is pro Christian.

My posts don't make Christians look like loons, coming from a " non Christian ".
Baptized Orthodox, it is a strong part of our culture, history, I am not religious.

And I can tell you about " Zion ", the " jews " are destroyers of " Zion ", haters ,
just another " jew " ripoff and corruption.

Edited, lol, this is a good thread and good discussion, stay cool people.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Antonio--that piece you posted about A Case Against The jews was a 'paradigm twister'. It's also full of paradoxes. And the candor, the frankness is refreshing, all while being condescending. It is the essence of the Jewish attitude--'We're much smarter than you. Individually and as a group.' This is actually a case for the Jews. It makes both cases--for and against, and reduces the issue to a neutrality. Interesting.


Hatha

[MAGNES]

Awoke, some more websites, people need to step back and not get caught up,
not being able to see the forest for the trees. No one source has the truth.

Some of the best information comes from a Historical perspective, not religious.

That is my approach.

There is serious issues with problems of translation and meanings,
they do not apply just to the OT.

This one is key.
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/ot_manuscripts.html

This one is more questionable, some deceptions are employed.
http://www.bible-researcher.com/driver1.html

This one is long, covers lots of issues.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jew.htm

After reading all 3 read the first one again.

A new find. Some deceptions employed.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1372741/Hidden-cave-First-portrait-Jesus-1-70-ancient-books.html

All the deceptions are designed to support " jews " .

[Libertarian_Guard]

People don’t even agree on terms & definitions. One man’s Jew is another man’s ashkenazi or khazar, thereby making it impossible (for some) to agree upon who we are talking about. In my mind, it should be abundantly clear who TODAY’S Jews are. But others have sidestepped this basic question by not recognizing the current trouble makers that have ruled over Palestine, since at least 1947, as the zionist jews of today. Instead they fall back on obscure (but likely true) accounts of history from over 1,000 years ago, when some small sect from somewhere in today’s Russia, chose not to align themselves with either of the warring religions (Muslim & Christian) and chose to proclaim themselves Jewish.

So be it. That was then, this is now. jews currently occupy Palestine. And in today’s world, concerning the political status of recognized Jewry - - They are the jews.

I acknowledge the Torah Jews, as the most pure and legitimate form of Jewry that exists today. And I don’t give a hoot about any one person’s individual ancestral lineage. At this point, we’re all a hodgepodge, taken from something that existed and was recognized as somewhat pure, in the distant past. In the human gene pool, everything gets diluted or evolved into something else, again and again. Wash, rinse, repeat.

But I correct myself, we have the Jews. They are the exception to the rule of inclusion. They are the anomaly!

[bellevuebully]

author=Tumbleweed link=topic=24259.msg209049#msg209049 date=1302021364]

I'm glad we're on the same side of this issue.

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If you are referring to our belief in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and the Redeemer of man, I would agree. But in as far as the issue of jews and the land Israel, I will reserve in identifying with you on these for the reason that I have not followed your posts and opinions on the matter closely enough to know where you stand.

Again, than you for accepting my apology. It was genuinely an honest oversight, and I appreciate your gracious consideration of my explaination.

[bellevuebully]

Awoke, some more websites, people need to step back and not get caught up,
not being able to see the forest for the trees. No one source has the truth.



Believing that is what leads to all the confusion. I respect your opinion, but also respectfully disagree with it.

Picking and chosing this bit and that bit from here and there does not reveal to you the truth. It reveals to you what you have formed as truth.

[Awoke]

I read most of the three link you posted Magnes, and they are long, dry reading.

An interesting tidbit that I found vindicated what I am discovering:





Today most people think of Jews as the people of Israel, but that is not correct. An Israelite was one who had descended from Jacob. In Jesus' time individual Jews may or may not have descended from Jacob, but they all recognized Pharisaism and not the Law of Moses. A Jew is properly a Judean.

The point is that one who is called a "Jew" in the Bible is not necessarily a chosen man of God, a follower of Moses and the prophets, a member of the tribe of Judah, an Israelite, or even a Semite, but one who is a resident of Judea. A Judean. But a well-organized and well-financed international "pressure group" created a so-called "secondary meaning" for the new word "Jew" which is not the understanding intended by the Scripture of truth. Those who call themselves Jews today falsely imply they are somehow descendants of the tribes of Israel and chosen of God. Yet few of them are Jews as they are not "Judeans," or residents of Judea.

So if modern day so-called Jews are not the Jews of the Bible, who are they? When asked, "Who is Israel? - Who is a Jew?" the Israeli Government's Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) unhesitatingly answered:

"The term Israelite is purely Biblical. An Israeli is a citizen of Israel, regardless of religion. A Jew is a person anywhere in the world born to a Jewish mother, or converted to Judaism, who is thus identified as a member of the Jewish people and religion" (Information Division, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Jerusalem; February, 1998).

The Jewish Almanac concurs: "Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew." Or to call a contemporary Jew [an] "Israelite," or a "Hebrew." The first Hebrews were not have been Jews at all, and contemporary Palestinians, by their own definition of the term "Palestinian," have to include Jews among their own people" (The Jewish Almanac, October, 1980, page 3, Bantam Books, Inc).




Watching the Pharisiac Talmudists slaughter the Palistinian women and Children mercilessly, I have always said "I wouldn't be surprised if the Palistinians were the "real" jews from Jesus' time".

The fact that the word "Jew" never existed in the English bibles until the 1800's makes a case for what I said earlier: The word is used out of context and in place of other words that should have been used.

This is all very clear to me now.

[Neuro]

In the Khazar kingdom, the Pharisees should have had a high status= more surviving children. Why wouldn't Khazaria be the place to go to for the Talmudists? As far as I understand it genetic tests has determined a common ancestry between Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews (of course the test results can be manipulated or falsified), but I do think it is likely according to the above reasoning that they are related...

[MAGNES]

Awoke, some more websites, people need to step back and not get caught up,
not being able to see the forest for the trees. No one source has the truth.



Believing that is what leads to all the confusion. I respect your opinion, but also respectfully disagree with it.

Picking and chosing this bit and that bit from here and there does not reveal to you the truth. It reveals to you what you have formed as truth.


That's how people study, we are students, I don't have OT colored lenses, lots of leads and references
on issues was given, far more than I ever got from anyone on these issues, I have spoken about
translation issues at length in two other threads, historical perspective,these issues do not only apply to OT, I have also given key history on OT , how it was written and who, when, etc, real history nobody disputes.

Link number one above is key. There is no disputing some of this history, real history, archeology, facts.

I can also go to Bible Study websites where they describe many of these translation issues.
Like the ESV site, and they sell related historical books that totally complement my posts.

Many people here have dogmas to protect, I do not, I am a student, I don't wear OT lenses.

[Horn]

Truth is what you're left with after plucking out the lies, full of holes & reeking like limburger.

In a thousand years you'll find some interesting archeology where the twin towers stood. Look at the G.I.M. coin as an example.

Anyway as far as turning points go, looking in the rear view mirror is definitely a bad idea while executing a radius.

[G2Rad]

I'm sorry, but God as a real estate agent just doesn't work for me.
I like to think he leaves drawing lines in the ground up to man, but that's just me.


Horn, Acts 17 says the following:

God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation

[freespirit]

Awoke--


first off, i commend you for having the courage to rethink everything you have researched and discovered over the years, and furthermore, having the strength to stand up and acknowledge that things are not as cut and dried as you thought.

if i'm getting this right, the gist of it is, evil takes many forms. it can appear as a jew, a christian, a catholic, whatever. it is our duty as God's children to expose evil wherever it may lie.

as was posted earlier in the thread, hate the sin, love the sinner...(they know not what they do?)

i look forward to sitting down and hearing more from you regarding your recent revelation.

God bless you, brother!

[G2Rad]

it is our duty as God's children to expose evil wherever it may lie.


freespirit, evil nature of man was already exposed by the first advent

our duty is to spread the news and to stay away from evil

[G2Rad]

as was posted earlier in the thread, hate the sin, love the sinner...(they know not what they do?)


spirit, I am not sure that "love the sinner" is in the Bible.

[Ponce]

To me "religion" is the one that you yourself created in your head, either by families ties or brainwashing.

The only true religion is the "NO RELIGION".


Ponce, GTFO of this thread if you are not going to contribute.
We all know you're an atheist, and satan has had his victory over you by making sure you don't believe in Christ.

I said in the first post of this thread that non-believes should MYOB and not get involved in this discussion, because it is a spiritual discussion, posted by a Christian.


Awoke? I am not against the one that YOU call God (I call it "The Force") but I am against those who goes against nature which is what we should believe in, and they do it by making you believe that their religion is the only real one and even willing to kill you if you don't believe in it............your yourself wrote "Ponce, GET THE FUCK OUT" and that's one way of saying that I am wrong and that only you are right................and like I said before "It looks to me that Awoke has taken the place of Book in coming after me"..............it looks to me that to "contribute" to you only means that we all should talk about, and agreed, about YOUR religion........if that's the case this thread then belongs into the religion section because is not open for discussion.........ask Gaillo and Franks about it....Amen.

[G2Rad]

Awoke? I am not against the one that YOU call God (I call it "The Force")

Ponce, there is a verse for you in the Bible:

But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

[Ponce]

Hey, thanks G.......love it.............May The Force Be With You.

[G2Rad]

YOUR religion.

btw there is only one legit religion in the Bible, and that is not Christianity

in our times we are supposed to have faith, not religion

[G2Rad]

Hey, thanks G.......love it.............May The Force Be With You.


No, thanks. :)
I am already with Christ.

[dys]

Awoke? I am not against the one that YOU call God (I call it "The Force") but I am against those who goes against nature which is what we should believe in, and they do it by making you believe that their religion is the only real one and even willing to kill you if you don't believe in it............your yourself wrote "Ponce, GET THE fuck OUT" and that's one way of saying that I am wrong and that only you are right................and like I said before "It looks to me that Awoke has taken the place of Book in coming after me"..............it looks to me that to "contribute" to you only means that we all should talk about, and agreed, about YOUR religion........if that's the case this thread then belongs into the religion section because is not open for discussion.........ask Gaillo and Franks about it....Amen.


If someone tells you that they are right and you are wrong, you may actually be wrong and they may actually be right. Ever think of that?

dys

[Ponce]

dys? in order for me to be crazy that would mean that everyone else is sane......and that's not possible.

[freespirit]

as was posted earlier in the thread, hate the sin, love the sinner...(they know not what they do?)


spirit, I am not sure that "love the sinner" is in the Bible.


i never said it was mentioned in the bible, it was posted somewhere earlier in the thread...but for what it's worth, are we not all God's children? therefore are we not all brothers? or at least neighbors? and does it not say to love thy neighbor as thyself? if this is so, then by loving the sinner and hating the sin, we help encourage the sinner back to the fold, right? by treating them with the love we would have for a sick friend, we show them the way out of the darkness, and back into the light by healing their spirit with God's love
right?

...or am i completely missing something...?

[G2Rad]

are we not all God's children? therefore are we not all brothers? or at least neighbors?


spirit, bodily yes (Act 17:18), but not spiritually. Spiritually most are "of their father the devil, and the lusts of their father they will do".



and does it not say to love thy neighbor as thyself?if this is so, then by loving the sinner and hating the sin, we help encourage the sinner back to the fold, right? by treating them with the love we would have for a sick friend, we show them the way out of the darkness, and back into the light by healing their spirit with God's love
right?

world wants us to "love" adulterers, homosexuals, comunists, evolutionists, witches, murderers, fornicators and molesters, so that the world can continue murder, fornicate and molest.

we must love the same way as God loved.
How God loved?
Notice in the Bible, it never-ever says "God loves" ( check me, search the Bible for yourself). It always says "God loved". He did love all people (on the Cross). Not a single verse says He loves. All verses say He loved. Because "He loves (sinners)" would not be compatible with Him baking them in Hell for ever.
God does hate sinners.

check this:

I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him

wrath abideth on sinner, not love

[JDRock]

...i will post my whole journey from where your at, to where i am now, but it is lengthy...
ive struggled with the EXACT same thoughts awoke...i am slowly reading each contribution to this thread
and, i can comment when i have sufficient time, maybe tomorrow.

[Horn]

our duty is to spread the news and to stay away from evil



http://www.new-england-vacations-guide.com/images/mayflower_route.gif

[freespirit]

i guess i am completely missing something....

[Ponce]

You are not the only one :conf:

[G2Rad]

i guess i am completely missing something....


its just,
you get saved ...,
you start reading the Bible ....,
and, liltle by little you discover,
that all you knew before, all you heard in school, on TV and in church are layers and layers and layers of lies.

de-program yourself

it says "God so loved the World" in John 3:16
(on the Cross)
that's what He did.
and it says the same "loved" in every other place

wrath (not love) is on those who don't believe.

[G2Rad]

i guess i am completely missing something....


...... about "loving thy neighbour"

notice they did ask Him to identify "the neighbor".

was "the neighbor" a fornicator, adulterer, homosexual?
was "the neighbor" a communist, evolutionist or banker who wanted to continue fornicating, murdering, liying, robbing and blaspheming?

No. He was not.

are we supposed to love sodomites, communists, bankers and fornicators?

No. We are not supposed to love God-haters.

We are supposed to love somebody who is beaten, robbed, and left half dead along the road. you kno the story.

That is the identity of neighbor.

How are we supposed to love him? Read the Bible yourself, brother. Luke 10:25-37

[G2Rad]

"bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee."

that is how we must "love"

that is how meaning of "love" from "love thy neigbor" is explained

Compare that to what brainwash propaganda machine programs into each of the drones from childhood.
For all of them "love" is when you tolerate filth, lies and falsehood.
For all of them "love" is when you sit tight and say nothing while being scrued

[Horn]

...or am i completely missing something...?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3b0zo_matrix-the-spoon_shortfilms

[G2Rad]

"bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee."

that is how we must "love"

that is how meaning of "love" from "love thy neigbor" is explained

Compare that to what brainwash propaganda machine programs into each of the drones from childhood.
For all of them "love" is when you tolerate filth, lies and falsehood.
For all of them "love" is when you sit tight and say nothing while being scrued

For all of them "love" is when you sit tight and say nothing while your children are being scrued
For all of them "love" is when you sit tight and say nothing while your country being scrued
For all of them "love" is when you sit tight and say nothing while your people are being scrued

[wrs]

Don't try to twist my words.
I never said only Christians can be spiritual.

It is elementary that atheists can not be.


Really, what exactly do you mean by spiritual then? Doesn't the Bible refer to the spirit of man? I am afraid that you are lost vis-a-vis the practice of spirituality outside your narrow interpretation of what it means to Christians. There is a vast world of people out here who are spiritual but not theists, many practice Yoga and Buddhism. The life-force that animates us is our spirit and there is a lot of interest in things spiritual that go well beyond theism.

So it's not elementary that atheists cannot be spiritual, what do you think a shaman is? Sorry awoke, you are asleep and you still don't know it.

[Horn]

time to go home
:)
see ya


Remember the road only deserves an occasional glance.

Its not something that requires dutiful attention, if payed it will steer you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IBHgmf5r-w

Following the path as it leads toward
The darkness in the north
Weary stranger's faces show their sympathy
They've seen that hope before

And if you want to stay for a little bit
Rest your aching limbs for a little bit
For you the night is beckoning
And now you can't delay
You hear the night birds calling you
But you can't catch the words they say
And you must you realize be on your way

Mystery swelling, creatures crawling
Hear the roar ger louder in your ears
You know the folly was your own
But the force behind can't conquer all you fears

And if you want to stay for a little bit
Rest your aching limbs for a little bit
For you the night is beckoning and you know
And now you can't delay
You hear the night birds calling you
But you can't catch the words they say
And you must you realize be on your way

Throw your thoughts back many years
To the time when love was life with every morning
Perhaps a day will come when the match for me the curlers past warning

And if you want to stay for a little bit
Rest your aching limbs for a little bit
For you the night is beckoning
And now you can't delay
You hear the night birds calling you
But you can't catch the words they say
And you must you realize be on your way

[Awoke]

Don't try to twist my words.
I never said only Christians can be spiritual.

It is elementary that atheists can not be.


Really, what exactly do you mean by spiritual then? Doesn't the Bible refer to the spirit of man? I am afraid that you are lost vis-a-vis the practice of spirituality outside your narrow interpretation of what it means to Christians. There is a vast world of people out here who are spiritual but not theists, many practice Yoga and Buddhism. The life-force that animates us is our spirit and there is a lot of interest in things spiritual that go well beyond theism.

So it's not elementary that atheists cannot be spiritual, what do you think a shaman is? Sorry awoke, you are asleep and you still don't know it.


This was a thread written from a Christian perspective. If atheists want to interject and tell me I'm wasting my time with Christianity, they can GTFO of the thread because I said that in the first post at the start, that I am not interested in debating the validity of the Christian faith.

This thread is about my revelation of the multiple layers of deceit, regarding those who say they are God's chosen people, but are not.

If you want to remain convinced that atheists are spiritual, so be it. Have a blast.

[Awoke]

Freespirit, I pray for sinners.

I pray that they can break free from sin and that they will soften their hearts towards Christ.

Mark 2:17
Jesus hearing this, saith to them: They that are well have no need of a physician, but they that are sick. For I came not to call the just, but sinners.

Luke 5:30-32
[30]But the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying to his disciples: Why do you eat and drink with publicans and sinners?
[31] And Jesus answering, said to them: They that are whole, need not the physician: but they that are sick. [32] I came not to call the just, but sinners to penance

[Book]

Remember the road only deserves an occasional glance.

Its not something that requires dutiful attention, if payed it will steer you.



http://www.culturewars.com/images/WatchingMTV.jpg

Gee...Horn manages to post MTV videos in every single thread at GSUS. We can all imagine the Spiritual Teachings he received in his home and during his upbringing by his parents. Here he is yet again posting a PINK FLOYD music video as some sort of sagacious spiritual message in a thread about Christianity even after Awoke told him to stay out of this thread.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_GE0lRYmNYjU/TVE4p3fkxAI/AAAAAAAAAno/BJwLtP6y0-Q/s400/simpsons_nelson_haha3.jpg

[Awoke]

I never told Horn to stay out of the the thread, just to keep things clear.

[Book]

I never told Horn to stay out of the the thread, just to keep things clear.


http://www.retrorebirth.com/images/blog-history/Pink-Floyd-1967.jpg

Did his PINK FLOYD music video make it any clearer for you?

:oo-->

[Ponce]

Whe the crazy people invade your home and if you believe in your Bible and what it says there then confront them with it in hand and tell them to go away.......lets see if it works.......I'll make sure that they burried you with it.

Me? first line of defence a shoot gun and my booby traps.......

Believe in your Bible, but fight with a gun.

[Awoke]

I never told Horn to stay out of the the thread, just to keep things clear.


Did his PINK FLOYD music video make it any clearer for you?

:oo-->




I never said it did.

[7th trump]

Whe the crazy people invade your home and if you believe in your Bible and what it says there then confront them with it in hand and tell them to go away.......lets see if it works.......I'll make sure that they burried you with it.

Me? first line of defence a shoot gun and my booby traps.......

Believe in your Bible, but fight with a gun.

Well Ponce I know you are a nonbeleiver, but I fully understand what the Bible says about defending onesself and family without any feeling of quilt for pulling the trigger if any threat to life and family.
Gods most favorite insect is the ant for the ant collects and stores its food for the winter ahead of winter during the summer. We are fast approaching a spiritual winter. A winter where the whole world beleives its in summer.
God say to not let yourself be harvested out of season. Well winter is not the time for harvesting........................summer is!
They will get none now and they will get none then also!

There really is a lesson to learn when the maidens with oil for their lamps were accepted by God and the one without oil were told to leave and go buy some oil.

[muffin]

Quotable materials:

Believe in your Bible, but fight with a gun.