Full auto BB gun shoots BBs up to 900 fps

[midnight rambler]

The Drozd Blackbird is operated by 3 switches. The on/off switch, the left slide switch that allows you to select 1,3,or 6 shot bursts and the right slide switch that allows you to choose 300,450, or 600 rounds per minute.

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-71019769872345_2150_441891

http://www.drozdmax.com/drozd-blackbird.html

[midnight rambler]

Add a blue laser and yer good to go.

[midnight rambler]

Of course there are plenty of jootube vids -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__sK3zUs4Qc

[midnight rambler]

Mods are available to make it shoot unlimited full auto (instead of bursts) at 1,200 rpm.

900 fps .177 projectiles have to hurt. Ouch!

[midnight rambler]

Some people are really into these BB guns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0NIwE9u_ZE

[osoab]

On sale for 300. That is one pricey BB gun.

[midnight rambler]

On sale for 300. That is one pricey BB gun.


Dude, it spits out .177 projectiles at 900 feet per second in full auto at up to 1,200 rounds per minute. And it seems pretty reliable.

[osoab]

On sale for 300. That is one pricey BB gun.


Dude, it spits out .177 projectiles at 900 feet per second in full auto at up to 1,200 rounds per minute. And it seems pretty reliable.


It would be one heck of a fun toy to have. I just couldn't justify the purchase unless it was complete play money.

I could see a use to terrorize squirrels in my neighborhood. ;D

[midnight rambler]

It appears to me to hit the threshold for deadly force, at least so far as heavy clothing is not involved. Targeted about the head and neck I'm relatively confident it would kill.

[007]

http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Ralphie-Christmas-Story-AR-15.jpg

[nunaem]

That'll put BOTH your eyes out.

I wonder how much those air canisters cost and how many BBs they're good for.

[vacuum]

It would be really cool to mount this gun on this sentry system:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxBa5bQfTGc&feature=player_embedded#at=19

http://www.paintballsentry.com/index.htm

[midnight rambler]

I found out about this Russian made (by Baikal) piece upon reading an article in the Dallas Morning News about some guy who hosed a drunk trespassing in his front yard with one of these Drozd Blackbirds. He nailed the drunk pretty good. As you can see in the last video I posted, a modified Blackbird is no toy! Would link the article but to view it requires an online subscription.

[Ash_Williams]

It appears to me to hit the threshold for deadly force, at least so far as heavy clothing is not involved. Targeted about the head and neck I'm relatively confident it would kill.

I'm not sure unless you are considering that they might bleed to death eventually.
A 5 grain BB and 900 fps gives you about 9 fpe energy at the muzzle (considered effective for killing a rabbit but nothing bigger). In contrast the weakest .22lr will still be 100 fpe. An ok punch is going to be around 70 fpe. If they're going to bleed for a while without help I can see it being potentially deadly but it won't just drop them dead.

[SLV^GLD]

Just say no to guns with orange muzzles. :-\

[Ash_Williams]

I wonder how much those air canisters cost and how many BBs they're good for.

I have a cool little CO2 pistol that I converted to full auto. It'll do 20 rounds in about 3 seconds, and you get about 10 seconds of that out of the little 12g CO2. The thing with CO2 is that as you fire, the gas cools and loses volume so use more gas per shot. 50 shots on full auto might be stretched to 80 if the gun is fired occasionally and can warm up between shots.

This gun looks like it takes the 88g cartridge which is going to run about $8 - $12 for a disposable one. Probably get 1000 to 2000 BBs out of it (total guesstimate on gut feeling.) Or I imagine you can get a refillable tank like the paintballers use.

[gunDriller]

well, if i ever need to shatter some beer mugs.

[Book]

http://www.glassmagazine.com/files/GBA_Prod_MyGlassTruck.jpg

Every glass truck in town should mount one on a turret during slow times.

[midnight rambler]

I'm guessing that those pooh-poohing the notion of using this high-powered BB gun for self-defense has never actually been in mortal combat. Sure, the longer the range the less effective, but at real combat ranges it would be overwhelming if one got the drop on a varmint.

FYI, exsanguination can occur very quickly with serious/massive neck wounds, and taking out someone's vision is a complete game-changer.

[Neuro]

I'm guessing that those pooh-poohing the notion of using this high-powered BB gun for self-defense has never actually been in mortal combat. Sure, the longer the range the less effective, but at real combat ranges it would be overwhelming if one got the drop on a varmint.

FYI, exsanguination can occur very quickly with serious/massive neck wounds, and taking out someone's vision is a complete game-changer.
I would guess a bb exiting at 900 fps would penetrate a skull bone at 20 yards, do that 10 times, and you would most likely have a person that is out, immediately... It would have a greater lethal effect than a single bullet traveling with 10 or even 20 times the energy, from a .22...

[Ash_Williams]

I'm guessing that those pooh-poohing the notion of using this high-powered BB gun for self-defense has never actually been in mortal combat. Sure, the longer the range the less effective, but at real combat ranges it would be overwhelming if one got the drop on a varmint.

I think the real value of these things is that they make a great bluff. Not so much much this one in particular (it has the orange on it and once you load the CO2 it's going to be real obvious it's an airgun), but in the pistols. I can hand anyone a CO2 pistol that looks real unless you're 6" away from it and they don't need to know how to fire a gun to look like they can do some damage.

I see the videos of the gangbagers in Toronto showing off their handguns and every one of them is available as an airgun replica, there's no way to know if those guns are real or not. And that's all you need most of the time... using a gun for defense usually means merely flashing it, possibly pointing it, by rarely needing to fire it. So you got an airgun that works for all that 90% of the time that you can buy in mostly any country with no license and give to just about anyone without them hurting themselves with it, not to mention the price difference.

Of course you can spray someone in the face with an auto air gun, but there's less expensive and easier-to-carry things you can spray them in the face with too.


I would guess a bb exiting at 900 fps would penetrate a skull bone at 20 yards, do that 10 times, and you would most likely have a person that is out, immediately... It would have a greater lethal effect than a single bullet traveling with 10 or even 20 times the energy, from a .22...

You'd have to try it to be sure but I don't think so. A BB at 400 fps won't break my skin and leaves a mark similar to a paintball welt. A chunk of cheap 12mm laminate flooring will stop an 800 fps lead dome pellet, and yet is still easy to break in chunks to fit in the garbage bag. I'd like to think a skull is much stronger, and we're talking about BB's in this gun, not the pellets which you can buy with a point on them.

[Neuro]

Yes, you may be right about the BB's Ash. But laminate flooring is really hard and dense, skull bone is easier (I think)...

[midnight rambler]

Forget penetrating the skull, the issue is the soft tissue of the face, temples, and neck. Apparently some people don't realize and appreciate how fragile life really is.

When Cheney shot his fellow hunter Harry Whittington with bird shot, a few of the pellets of bird shot at less than .10 in diameter penetrated into his chest causing a collapsed lung with several of the bird shot lodging near his heart - this from a distance far enough for the pattern to open up at least 16-18" (so the distance between shooter and shootee was over 15 yds - typical combat ranges are only SEVEN yards).

[midnight rambler]

It sounds like you are seriously considering this as a self defense weapon...seriously ...very ...very bad idea!!!! A large knife would be far better.

You pull that on a grown man that figures out it is a bb gun (pretty easy with that tank) and you put your life at serious risk. At that point he either covers his face and tackles you - or pulls a real firearm.



This weapon is best suited for folks who cannot own a conventional gun for whatever reason or circumstances - like folks located where the gungrabbers have prevailed. Duh

I'd like to hear how many of you experts would be willing to don a paintball facemask and face off with one of these modified Blackbirds at a typical combat range of seven yards - with the stream of BBs even only limited to targeting the facemask.

[midnight rambler]

well, have fun with that man - you pull that on someone who is not a pussy and you will get killed. Might want to think about it a bit.


This coming from the fellow who suffers the delusion that a Saiga 12 makes for a superior standalone tactical shotgun. lol

[SLV^GLD]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gWQaU40PH24/TSOSVuF5fvI/AAAAAAAAKBo/FzxUm6ozKNo/s1600/facepalm111.jpg

[midnight rambler]

I tell you what - you come on over and pull that thing on me. I will show you how stupid of an idea it was. You get bb gun and i get nothing.


I think your above statement proves just how much of a moron you truly are.

The birdshot pellets Harry Whittington got peppered with at over 15 yds didn't have nearly the energy that BBs would at 7 yards, and that <.10" bird shot penetrated both Whittington's hunting vest and shirt.

Combat veterans get it, others don't. You don't see Ponce discounting this high-powered BB gun 'cause Ponce knows how fragile life is and how easy it is to fuck someone up.

[bellevuebully]

I am no gun expert but I will say one thing. This may be a good peice for a totally unexperience shooter (wife, kid) in the interim of becoming experienced enough to go into close range combat with a handgun...ie) home invasion where accuracy, nerves, overpenatration are issues.

I'm a hunter, and my choice of weapon for home defense (partly due to where I live) is a pistol grip shotty. But I went shooting the other day with a 9mm and a 40cal and I'll tell you something....I wouldn't want to be the wall that was behind the perp. lol. That wall would be dead, dead, dead. hahaha

[midnight rambler]

I tell you what - you come on over and pull that thing on me. I will show you how stupid of an idea it was. You get bb gun and i get nothing.

as far as saiga 12.... whatever....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26SMeWtiM40


Tactics are largely dependent upon fire and maneuver. A Saiga 12 with its detachable magazine does not lend itself to fire and maneuver tactics - NO reloads without a mag change. Wanna switch immediately from buck to slug without a hiccup on the fly with a Saiga 12 without a mag change? Forget it. Anyone who's actually been in combat and has a clue about the *standalone* TACTICAL use of a shotgun KNOWS that such a mag change as required on a Saiga 12 as well as the often completely poorly timed 'empty mag' leaves one very vulnerable. Those who 'get it' regarding the standalone use of TACTICAL shotguns appreciate the reloading on the fly afforded by a tube mag found on conventional shotguns. A shotgun bandolier holds 55 rounds, and those rounds can be various slugs, various buckshot loads, etc. all readily available to load as needed on the fly. It's quick and easy to throw a couple of bandoliers over your shoulder and those bandoliers don't get in the way. Two bandoliers would be 110 rounds of selective ammo - to have the near equivalent amount of ammo in drums for the Saiga would require FIVE drums (for 100 rounds). I'd like to see someone demonstrate fire and maneuver tactics with a Saiga 12 while lugging around FIVE 20 round drums.

A Saiga 12 has its place, and that place is generally limited to firing from a fixed position with the appropriate support of a fire team. In extraordinary circumstances it could be utilized with fire and maneuver tactics but only with the appropriate support from trained/experienced fire team members who work well together. The Saiga 12 is unwieldy with any of the high capacity magazines protruding from underneath it. Outside of Russia, there isn't a single military or police agency using shotguns with detachable magazines because the concept just doesn't work in the real world.

The Tacticool Saiga 12 - choice of delusional armchair warriors with no practical combat experience who like to fantasize about getting in a firefight.

[chad]

i'm surprised gun kooks haven't gone after that yet.

[solid]

The Tacticool Saiga 12 - choice of delusional armchair warriors with no practical combat experience who like to fantasize about getting in a firefight.


Midnight, with all due respect, I can't believe you are arguing the killing effectiveness of a BB gun over a shotgun..

I, by no means, claim to have been in a firefight....though I've come very very close a few times. I have seen the effects of firearms on people, more than I care to remember.

It's not like the movies. People just don't get hit by bullets and die immediately, unless they get hit in the grape, people's adrenaline is flowing, they keep fighting. I talked to a guy who had been shot in the back 3 times by a 45 acp, he was calm, collected except for a few bullet holes.

The people that end up swiss cheese is from high powered rifles, saw a guy torn to pieces by an AK, shot 8 times.

With pistols, you may have to enter your whole clip into someone. The bigger the bullet, the better, and more of them.

Also, never bluff with a firearm. Only point your gun when you are completely prepared to take another life. Never, ever bluff.

[midnight rambler]

i'm surprised gun kooks haven't gone after that yet.


This Baikal BB gun hasn't been out that long, give 'em time, they'll get to it.

[midnight rambler]

I can't believe you are arguing the killing effectiveness of a BB gun over a shotgun..


I'm not. Hello?

I'm arguing someone's twisted delusion of real combat vs. what really happens in mortal combat.

Again, consider the case of Harry Whittington as shot by Cheney.

That Drozd Blackbird in modified form can cause some very serious bodily harm in a matter of just a few seconds. The Blackbird would be suitable in circumstances where having a gun handy would be a ready liability instead of a ready asset. BB guns are generally not instantly viewed as an instrument of deadly force - ruminate on that. I submit that anyone who denies that a modified Blackbird can cause very serious bodily injury (certainly enough to take the fight out of ANYONE who had lost their eyesight) and even death in a few short minutes via exsanguination isn't thinking clearly.

Obviously a modified Blackbird wouldn't 'work' for those clueless about the black arts. Sure, it has it's limitations but for those who actually do know how to utilize such an item it would work like gangbusters imo.

[Ash_Williams]

The birdshot pellets Harry Whittington got peppered with at over 15 yds didn't have nearly the energy that BBs would at 7 yards, and that <.10" bird shot penetrated both Whittington's hunting vest and shirt.

Well they probably had comparable energy given the high velocity, but the real advantage they had is being so tiny. A pellet that small will penetrate much farther than a BB given the same energy. Same as car going 5 mph has a many many times more energy than a bullet but it's still not going to break the skin when it runs into you.

[solid]

. I submit that anyone who denies that a modified Blackbird can cause very serious bodily injury (certainly enough to take the fight out of ANYONE who had lost their eyesight) and even death in a few short minutes via exsanguination isn't thinking clearly.


Well, there's no way I'd get into a combat situation with one of these guns. That's me personally, I'm not going to try and shoot anyone's eyes out.

I hope I never have to pull another gun on anyone, but if I do, it's because of a lethal threat. If I shoot to stop the threat, I'm shooting every bullet I've got center mass, as fast as I can. Head shots are for snipers, not real situations we are likely to encounter.

This is a neat gun, a tool for hunting small game, but not for combat. My two bits.

[osoab]

. I submit that anyone who denies that a modified Blackbird can cause very serious bodily injury (certainly enough to take the fight out of ANYONE who had lost their eyesight) and even death in a few short minutes via exsanguination isn't thinking clearly.


Well, there's no way I'd get into a combat situation with one of these guns. That's me personally, I'm not going to try and shoot anyone's eyes out.

I hope I never have to pull another gun on anyone, but if I do, it's because of a lethal threat. If I shoot to stop the threat, I'm shooting every bullet I've got center mass, as fast as I can. Head shots are for snipers, not real situations we are likely to encounter.

This is a neat gun, a tool for hunting small game, but not for combat. My two bits.


That 45-70 might have some knockdown power. ;D

[solid]

That 45-70 might have some knockdown power. ;D


Man I would not want to be on the receiving end of a 45-70. ;D

It's a good point to bring up though, each gun is a tool, and they all can serve different purposes in different situations. The 45-70 is my 'pirate' gun. In a situation where a small boat with armed guys come after me, a couple of 45-70 bullet their way will make them think twice about it. Also, you could stop an engine with that bullet if placed right. If not placed right, you are punching holes in their boat for sure.

I think this auto BB gun is great though, for hunting small game and such. It would be nice if it were a little bit quieter, it sounds about what a 22 puts out in decibels, but I don't know for sure.

[osoab]

That 45-70 might have some knockdown power. ;D


Man I would not want to be on the receiving end of a 45-70. ;D

It's a good point to bring up though, each gun is a tool, and they all can serve different purposes in different situations. The 45-70 is my 'pirate' gun. In a situation where a small boat with armed guys come after me, a couple of 45-70 rounds their way will make them think twice about it. Also, you could stop an engine with that round if placed right. If not placed right, you are punching holes in their boat for sure.

I think this auto BB gun is great though, for hunting small game and such. It would be nice if it were a little bit quieter, it sounds about what a 22 puts out in decibels, but I don't know for sure.


I like the primer only Aguilla 22's for my lever action.

[solid]

I like the primer only Aguilla 22's for my lever action.


Osoab, not to go off topic, but can you explain a little further? How quiet are these rounds?

I found this..

http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/Aguila_super_colibri_22_br.html

But, says it will only work in handguns, revolvers. I was looking at air rifles (from another thread) and thought they would be great for quiet hunting in an urban environment...but these primer only rounds sound fantastic.

What lever action do you use with these rounds?

[osoab]

I like the primer only Aguilla 22's for my lever action.


Osoab, not to go off topic, but can you explain a little further? How quiet are these rounds?

I found this..

http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/Aguila_super_colibri_22_br.html

But, says it will only work in handguns, revolvers. I was looking at air rifles (from another thread) and thought they would be great for quiet hunting in an urban environment...but these primer only rounds sound fantastic.

What lever action do you use with these rounds?


Marlin 39A is what I have.

IMHO, they are no lounder than a hand clap.
They seem just as loud as the BB gun/pellet rifle my neighbor's kid shoots in the backyard.

[solid]

Marlin 39A is what I have.

IMHO, they are no lounder than a hand clap.
They seem just as loud as the BB gun/pellet rifle my neighbor's kid shoots in the backyard.


I think the Marlin 39A is going to be my next gun purchase. I need a 22, and to use this ammo to boot, I'm sold. This seems to be the perfect setup for small game hunting.

I found this review...

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-184608.html

Osoab, one more question to pick your brain.. ;D What length barrel do you recommend with the 39A?

[osoab]

Marlin 39A is what I have.

IMHO, they are no lounder than a hand clap.
They seem just as loud as the BB gun/pellet rifle my neighbor's kid shoots in the backyard.


I think the Marlin 39A is going to be my next gun purchase. I need a 22, and to use this ammo to boot, I'm sold. This seems to be the perfect setup for small game hunting.

I found this review...

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-184608.html

Osoab, one more question to pick your brain.. ;D What length barrel do you recommend with the 39A?


Can't really recommend. It was an old model from the 50's that was on my dealers rack. I looked at it for 2 weeks until I bought it. I don't even know the length of the barrel to be honest.

[mick silver]

you could put some thing on the bb that could make something sick ... huh

[nunaem]

This would make a great squad support weapon. It's not powerful enough to kill, but it is powerful enough to make the enemy seek cover while your teammates with REAL guns maneuvers to their flank.

But if your enemy has any kind of armor on it's useless, unless they think it's a real gun.