Jury Nullfication

[Large Sarge]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVGPPD8xPbU

[Hatha Sunahara]

This is a noble cause, and I subscribe to it. Pragmatically, it is an uphill struggle against all the conditioning that the general public has received from the public school system and the mainstream media that they must conform, obey, and respect authority. It is all self reinforcing from the conditioning of conformity. Good government depends on an informed citizenry. That does not exist in America any longer.

I know, because in the last dozen years, I served on juries on three separate occasions. They deliberately select really dumb people to sit on juries. Before I got educated about it from hard experience, I got selected to serve on a jury in a murder trial. I was appalled at the low quality of the cases put up by both the prosecution and the defense. There wasn't enough evidence to convince me of the guilt of the defendant, but there wasn't much of a defense against the charges either. I thought the police were just trying to convict somebody to make it look like they were doing their job. Ditto for the prosecution, and the defense attorney was a public defender, and doing the job so he could eat. He didn't put much effort into it. The judge clearly had a bias to convict, and through his instructions to the jury made it evident, although very subtly by telling the jury to consider only the facts. During the deliberations, I discovered how the other jurors did not have enough reasoning ability to distinguish facts from opinions. A majority opinion constituted a fact, even if there was no evidence to support that 'fact'. I knew I couldn't fight that, and did not want to spend days or weeks on the jury, so I went along when there was a majority who agreed the defendant was guilty. My conscience still bothers me today when I think about it--how I was duped by the system. I have done whatever I could to avoid serving on juries since then.

I have noticed that the people who hang out at the courthouse passing out 'Jury Nullification' literature have become very rare. The police harass them and put obstacles in their way. I'm convinced that the judiciary is the most corrupt branch of government because it is the least accountable. Because of their corruption, we have no justice, and therefore no peace. We need to send our judges and our prosecutors to jail to experience for themselves what they are inflicting on a lot of innocent people. For really long sentences in particularly brutal prisons. If ordinary people see this, they will be more fit to serve on juries, and we might get a better quality of justice. This is a pipe dream, I know, but it is my hope.


Hatha

[tekrunner]

This is a noble cause, and I subscribe to it. Pragmatically, it is an uphill struggle against all the conditioning that the general public has received from the public school system and the mainstream media that they must conform, obey, and respect authority. It is all self reinforcing from the conditioning of conformity. Good government depends on an informed citizenry. That does not exist in America any longer.

I know, because in the last dozen years, I served on juries on three separate occasions. They deliberately select really dumb people to sit on juries. Before I got educated about it from hard experience, I got selected to serve on a jury in a murder trial. I was appalled at the low quality of the cases put up by both the prosecution and the defense. There wasn't enough evidence to convince me of the guilt of the defendant, but there wasn't much of a defense against the charges either. I thought the police were just trying to convict somebody to make it look like they were doing their job. Ditto for the prosecution, and the defense attorney was a public defender, and doing the job so he could eat. He didn't put much effort into it. The judge clearly had a bias to convict, and through his instructions to the jury made it evident, although very subtly by telling the jury to consider only the facts. During the deliberations, I discovered how the other jurors did not have enough reasoning ability to distinguish facts from opinions. A majority opinion constituted a fact, even if there was no evidence to support that 'fact'. I knew I couldn't fight that, and did not want to spend days or weeks on the jury, so I went along when there was a majority who agreed the defendant was guilty. My conscience still bothers me today when I think about it--how I was duped by the system. I have done whatever I could to avoid serving on juries since then.

I have noticed that the people who hang out at the courthouse passing out 'Jury Nullification' literature have become very rare. The police harass them and put obstacles in their way. I'm convinced that the judiciary is the most corrupt branch of government because it is the least accountable. Because of their corruption, we have no justice, and therefore no peace. We need to send our judges and our prosecutors to jail to experience for themselves what they are inflicting on a lot of innocent people. For really long sentences in particularly brutal prisons. If ordinary people see this, they will be more fit to serve on juries, and we might get a better quality of justice. This is a pipe dream, I know, but it is my hope.


Hatha




I'm confused, now that you're "awake" you refuse to be on a jury? Seems like now's a better time then ever for you to be on one. There could be another potential juror that just needs one other like minded person to keep from going with the majority/facts.


Perhaps you need a little hope? Here's some if you haven't heard of the case already.

Montana Jury Stages 'Mutiny' In Marijuana Case
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/22/montana-jury-marijuana-mutiny_n_800074.html

[iOWNme]

Part of the problem is that there are no more 'De Jure' juries.....Meaning this: They are all PAID to be there. This makes it a 'commercial' jury, which is why they are told what the 'Law' is, and told what to do about it.

Juries are not autonomous entities able to make their own determinations. Not that it cant happen, but you can clearly see how the system is manipulated.

Not to mention on the Federal level. SOme of the potential jurors are on the list for years. They become close with the DA, PA and Judges.

Due Process? More like Luciferian Process.

[midnight rambler]

I'm confused, now that you're "awake" you refuse to be on a jury? Seems like now's a better time then ever for you to be on one. There could be another potential juror that just needs one other like minded person to keep from going with the majority/facts.

What you're apparently not aware of is that in order to actually be called to serve on a jury under the current scheme of things one must swear under the pains and penalties of perjury that one is a 'U.S. citizen'. To do so is to further the fraud of the 14th Amendment which was NEVER properly ratified according to the ONLY way for the Constitution to be amended under Article V.

Do you *really* want to see others further the fraud? Do you want to further the fraud?

[Tumbleweed]

I've been on two juries where we disregarded the judges instructions and used jury nullification. Pissed off the Judge and States Atourney. I loved it ;D

[Hatha Sunahara]

I'm confused, now that you're "awake" you refuse to be on a jury? Seems like now's a better time then ever for you to be on one. There could be another potential juror that just needs one other like minded person to keep from going with the majority/facts.


Perhaps you need a little hope? Here's some if you haven't heard of the case already.

Montana Jury Stages 'Mutiny' In Marijuana Case
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/22/montana-jury-marijuana-mutiny_n_800074.html


I was speaking to the dynamics of a jury that consists mostly of zombies. Would you take the time and effort to make arguments of principle to a bunch of zombies? People who were unable to think for themselves, or couldn't reason effectively? I'm not going to waste my precious time doing that. I'm not going to live a life that novelist write about because they have fought in the battle between good and evil? The evil of the justice system is so corrosive, it is best to spend the least amount of time dealing with it, lest you become a monster yourself.

It's going to take somebody with a lot more energy, patience, and persistence than myself to make this system transparent to a bunch of zombies. Jury duty is like jumping into a bucket of Drano. No thank you.

I suppose however, as people de-zombify themselves, we might get more people willing to defy the authority of the judges and assume responsibility for interpreting the illegality of the laws themselves. When that happens, I might be more amenable to jury duty.


Hatha

[Half Sense]

You don't have to argue with the sheeple. Just vote against them. Hang the jury. If they are truly sheeple, they will eventually change their vote to your side just to finish the case. No arguing necessary.