Civil war Anniversary

[JDRock]

...just thought i would help set the record straight here...the msm is spewing all sorts of bullshiite about the norths glorious victory :oo-->

1. The war had less than NOTHING to do with freeing the slaves.

2. The issue at stake was the 10th amendment (states rights).

3. Lincoln and the north were the agressors from the beginning.

4. The confederate constitution NOT the north,had in its original form an article forbidding the importation of negro slaves.

5. the north imposed the graduated income tax of zio carl marx on the american people.

6. the north borrowed huge sums of $ from the euro jew bankers to give them a foothold in American politics.


r7. when robert e lee surrendered to the inebriated grant, the sword he surrendered was none other than George washingtons....( his great grandfather by marriage)

yes, you have been lied to...the south fought for America as it was founded, and the north were the foreign invaders.

[sirgonzo420]

...just thought i would help set the record straight here...the msm is spewing all sorts of bullshiite about the norths glorious victory :oo-->

1. The war had less than NOTHING to do with freeing the slaves.

2. The issue at stake was the 10th amendment (states rights).

3. Lincoln and the north were the agressors from the beginning.

4. The confederate constitution NOT the north,had in its original form an article forbidding the importation of negro slaves.

5. the north imposed the graduated income tax of zio carl marx on the american people.

6. the north borrowed huge sums of $ from the euro jew bankers to give them a foothold in American politics.


r7. when robert e lee surrendered to the inebriated grant, the sword he surrendered was none other than George washingtons....( his great grandfather by marriage)

yes, you have been lied to...the south fought for America as it was founded, and the north was the foreign invaders.


pretty much

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[still afloat]

...just thought i would help set the record straight here...the msm is spewing all sorts of bullshiite about the norths glorious victory :oo-->

r7. when robert e lee surrendered to the inebriated grant, the sword he surrendered was none other than George washingtons....( his great grandfather by marriage)

yes, you have been lied to...the south fought for America as it was founded, and the north was the foreign invaders.


As Granny on the Beverley Hillbillies always said Lee never surrendered to Grant , he thought he was a blacksmith and handed him his sword to sharpen it .

[solid]

r7. when robert e lee surrendered to the inebriated grant, the sword he surrendered was none other than George washingtons....( his great grandfather by marriage)

yes, you have been lied to...the south fought for America as it was founded, and the north were the foreign invaders.


I was agreeing with everything you posted, then got to this about Lee's sword. That blew me away, amazing...I didn't know that.

Thanks, great post. Also, the whole emancipation proclamation, underhanded tactic, worked so well we seem to use it for ever war we've been in since.

[DMac]

c/o Madfranks:

New Book - Lincoln Unmasked (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/new-book-lincoln-unmasked/)



"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."




The Three Swords of Robert E Lee (http://www.scvcamp469-nbf.com/three_swords_of_robert_e_lee.htm)

by Eunice Jones Autry


In the umbrella stand in the hall by the door
Were three wondrous swords standing there on the floor.
They were owned by three patriots of a country we have formed,
In honor, in valor, were the swords proudly worn.


These men of great valor, so loved by everyone,
Three heroes of battle where honor was won.
George Washington's sword was one of the three,
It was worn by him until America was free


The Marquis De LeFayette whose sword was number two,
He wore it in honor until the war was through.
The third one was worn by General Robert E Lee,
Especially made in Paris for him in 1863.


Ordered by an admirer that lived in Baltimore,
Had no trouble getting it sent to a northern shore.
Now came the time for a master plan,
Through enemy lines and into the General's hand.


For two years he wore in honor with pride,
On the road to Appomatox it was strapped to his side.
It was offered to General Grant but it was not taken,
When our General retained it, he was visibly shaken.


The swords then were taken to their new home,
They stand there with pride all these years that have gone.
In the president's home for the whole world to see,
At the college now known as Washington Lee.


So now in the umbrella stand in the hall by the door
Are three wondrous swords standing there on the floor.


The General possessed the sword of Washington is true, however the accounts I've read online about Lee's surrender to Grant specifically mentions that this did not happen.

From Grant's own words:


"The much-talked-of surrendering of Lee's sword and my handing it back, this and much more that has been said about it is the purest romance."

[JDRock]

...could well be Dmac, but im am slow to believe the memoirs of the drunken Grant...who, when the full tale of his sins against a righeous nation had been tallied, died a penniless drunk admired by none and remembered by less.

Lee, however, was buried with honors befitting the king he was.

one wonders if the wisdom of president tyler had been listen to, if this all could have been avoided??

[JDRock]

...and need we mention the unions other war "hero"?? The righeous God in heaven has seen fit to equate his name with the greatest exposition of military stupidity of all time...gen armstrong custer ( in paul harveys voice) " and now YOU know, the rrrrest of the story." ;)

[solid]

Lee, however, was buried with honors befitting the king he was.


I wanted to find a quote from someone, but couldn't. It was basically how General Lee was the most beloved General in the history of our nation, and the men that fought with him, the bravest.

If only we had leaders like him today....it really makes you think, what our country would be like today if the secession succeeded.

[JDRock]

Lee, however, was buried with honors befitting the king he was.




If only we had leaders like him today....it really makes you think, what our country would be like today if the secession succeeded.


Or, if the north and their european $ backed abolitionists would have left us alone to LEAVE THINGS THE WAY THEY WERE when the nation was founded. Though far from perfect, America had created the greatest nation in history, BY limiting gov't intervention.....now were a toxic sh!thole of mixed races and monied interests.. :boohoo

[solid]

Or, if the north and their european $ backed abolitionists would have left us alone to LEAVE THINGS THE WAY THEY WERE when the nation was founded. Though far from perfect, America had created the greatest nation in history, BY limiting gov't intervention.....


Yup, I like the analogy from the movie 'Gettysburg' 1993, the one made by all the re-enacters. I saw that movie 4 times in the theater on a massive screen, with the sounds of the battle, I couldn't get enough of it. I don't think you'll find braver men than those who charged across that field that day. Each one of them, Lee's men, are true heros.

I like the analogy from that movie, of being in a club. Simple analogy. Imagine if gsus were a club, we all willingly join as free men. Then one day, members start telling us how to live our personal lives. Taking our individual freedoms, telling us what we can and can not do. Shouldn't we be allowed to leave gsus then? Then, they tell us we can't leave anymore. Imagine if Gaillo and the mods told us we couldn't leave. :)

I think if the south had won, you'd have the north with all the corrupt bankers, the fed, centralized governments...yet, the south would have individual state rights, less government, maybe even still on a gold/silver standard?

It's interesting to think about, indeed.

[iOWNme]

6. the north borrowed huge sums of $ from the euro jew bankers to give them a foothold in American politics.


I thought Lincoln funded the war internally with the Greenback?

This rabbit hole goes much deeper than this....

[horseshoe3]

I recommend "The Real Lincoln" by Thomas DiLorenzo, if anyone is interested in the really big picture of the leadup to the war and why the south seceded.

[the biss]

150 years ago today, a experiment began in Charleston harbor that would determine how much freedom of free will and creative self determination would be allowed to states and individuals by an increasingly large Federal government.

Four years later we learned the answer: Not so much. Thanks Whig Party and Henry Clay for your "American system" of overarching government. You set the foundation for the debacle we have today.

[DMac]

6. the north borrowed huge sums of $ from the euro jew bankers to give them a foothold in American politics.


I thought Lincoln funded the war internally with the Greenback?

This rabbit hole goes much deeper than this....


IIRC Lincoln had issued a ton of new bonds which contributed to a very large spike in inflation early in the war. When the new bonds were either a. had no buyers, or b. were reigned in by the treasury, he switched to issuing the greenback directly for payment to soldiers.

[SHTF2010]

New Book - Lincoln Unmasked (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/new-book-lincoln-unmasked/)



"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."



another quote for my GSUS quotes file, for Lincoln lovers

[Twisted Titan]

And they made a Killing on The War.

Litterally.


T

[iOWNme]

6. the north borrowed huge sums of $ from the euro jew bankers to give them a foothold in American politics.


I thought Lincoln funded the war internally with the Greenback?

This rabbit hole goes much deeper than this....


IIRC Lincoln had issued a ton of new bonds which contributed to a very large spike in inflation early in the war. When the new bonds were either a. had no buyers, or b. were reigned in by the treasury, he switched to issuing the greenback directly for payment to soldiers.


If Lincoln used 'Jew' money, then why was the entire Russian Naval fleet called to the aid of the North for over 2 1/2 years?

The reason they 'allowed' a backroom hick like old Abe to be elected is they thought he would use foriegn funds to wage the war. When they realised he would not use 'Jew' money, they killed him, along with Russia's Czar....

The US and Russia were the only 2 countries in the civilized world not under the control of the Rothschild banking Monopoly at that time.

You wont like this, but 'States Rights' is synonymous with Democracy. The people do not have the right to force an individual to bend toward the collective on a host of different issues.

[DMac]

6. the north borrowed huge sums of $ from the euro jew bankers to give them a foothold in American politics.


I thought Lincoln funded the war internally with the Greenback?

This rabbit hole goes much deeper than this....


IIRC Lincoln had issued a ton of new bonds which contributed to a very large spike in inflation early in the war. When the new bonds were either a. had no buyers, or b. were reigned in by the treasury, he switched to issuing the greenback directly for payment to soldiers.


If Lincoln used 'Jew' money, then why was the entire Russian Naval fleet called to the aid of the North for over 2 1/2 years?

The reason they 'allowed' a backroom hick like old Abe to be elected is they thought he would use foriegn funds to wage the war. When they realised he would not use 'Jew' money, they killed him, along with Russia's Czar....

The US and Russia were the only 2 countries in the civilized world not under the control of the Rothschild banking Monopoly at that time.

You wont like this, but 'States Rights' is synonymous with Democracy. The people do not have the right to force an individual to bend toward the collective on a host of different issues.





I thought the Russians came in to keep the Brits out of the fight.

Also, I am confused if you are refuting what I wrote? Can you clarify?

[JDRock]

..Who, then, if not lincoln who unquestionably embraced marxism vis a vie the income tax, was the first to pave the way for rothschild?? just asking here...

i thought the russians were taken out to eliminate any hope of two white Christian nations posing a threat to meyers world conquest??

[iOWNme]

6. the north borrowed huge sums of $ from the euro jew bankers to give them a foothold in American politics.


I thought Lincoln funded the war internally with the Greenback?

This rabbit hole goes much deeper than this....


IIRC Lincoln had issued a ton of new bonds which contributed to a very large spike in inflation early in the war. When the new bonds were either a. had no buyers, or b. were reigned in by the treasury, he switched to issuing the greenback directly for payment to soldiers.


If Lincoln used 'Jew' money, then why was the entire Russian Naval fleet called to the aid of the North for over 2 1/2 years?

The reason they 'allowed' a backroom hick like old Abe to be elected is they thought he would use foriegn funds to wage the war. When they realised he would not use 'Jew' money, they killed him, along with Russia's Czar....

The US and Russia were the only 2 countries in the civilized world not under the control of the Rothschild banking Monopoly at that time.

You wont like this, but 'States Rights' is synonymous with Democracy. The people do not have the right to force an individual to bend toward the collective on a host of different issues.





I thought the Russians came in to keep the Brits out of the fight.

Also, I am confused if you are refuting what I wrote? Can you clarify?


So why would the Brits be on the side of the South who were fighting for SOVEREIGN INDEPENDENCE? Do you see how this makes no sense? Wouldnt the Brits have wanted the North to win?

If anything it was British Intel who stirred up the Civil War (Via Rothschild Banking), and the 'States Rights' movement was a propaganda hoax, IMO. Divide and Conquer. They killed America and the De Jure Emperor of Russia, Alexander II. Why do you think Russians became so incredibly anti-Jewish after he was assassinated? The following 2 Emperors; Alexander III (his son) and Nicholas II (Grandson) were hardcore anti-Jews. Check out the Kishinev Pogrom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kishinev_pogrom). It is amazing how anti-Jew russia became after that, until the Bolshevik Revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolshevik). Hmmmmmmm? Kinda makes you wonder.....

Again, Rothschild Banking ran the entire civilized world with the exception of America and Russia at that time.

I mean hell, Albert Pike was a General for the Confederates making all the deals with the big Indian tribes. (fucking raping them)

I tend to look past the first dimension of things. (Not that you or anyone here doesnt) There are many layers to world events, and i do not stop on the layer that fits my agenda, or makes me feel all gushy inside. I try and go the core, the truth.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

6. the north borrowed huge sums of $ from the euro jew bankers to give them a foothold in American politics.


I thought Lincoln funded the war internally with the Greenback?

This rabbit hole goes much deeper than this....


As I am to understand it, Lincoln was approached by a Rothschild agent who was interested in making war loans at 26%-34% interest. When Lincoln declined, he was eventually forced to issue treasury notes directly out of the treasury. The fact that he spurned the Rothschild loan offer is often cited as the real cause of his assassination.


As to why the Rothschilds would desire a war along these lines, it would transform America from a single nation, powerful and mostly debt free, into two debt-ridden republics.

[Quad]

The contemporary liberal portrayal of Abraham Lincoln as a sort of gay 19th century Martin Luther King Jr?

Or the modern conservative portrayal of the Confederacy as a coalition of freedom-loving libertarians?

I often wonder, which is the more . . . creative?

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JD08Aa01.html
http://exiledonline.com/wn-blog-day-20-civil-war-caturday/
http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-blog-day-14-four-blessed-years-without-dixie/

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Found this:

http://i.imgur.com/FjTpo.jpg

[DMac]

6. the north borrowed huge sums of $ from the euro jew bankers to give them a foothold in American politics.


I thought Lincoln funded the war internally with the Greenback?

This rabbit hole goes much deeper than this....


IIRC Lincoln had issued a ton of new bonds which contributed to a very large spike in inflation early in the war. When the new bonds were either a. had no buyers, or b. were reigned in by the treasury, he switched to issuing the greenback directly for payment to soldiers.


If Lincoln used 'Jew' money, then why was the entire Russian Naval fleet called to the aid of the North for over 2 1/2 years?

The reason they 'allowed' a backroom hick like old Abe to be elected is they thought he would use foriegn funds to wage the war. When they realised he would not use 'Jew' money, they killed him, along with Russia's Czar....

The US and Russia were the only 2 countries in the civilized world not under the control of the Rothschild banking Monopoly at that time.

You wont like this, but 'States Rights' is synonymous with Democracy. The people do not have the right to force an individual to bend toward the collective on a host of different issues.





I thought the Russians came in to keep the Brits out of the fight.

Also, I am confused if you are refuting what I wrote? Can you clarify?


So why would the Brits be on the side of the South who were fighting for SOVEREIGN INDEPENDENCE? Do you see how this makes no sense? Wouldnt the Brits have wanted the North to win?

If anything it was British Intel who stirred up the Civil War (Via Rothschild Banking), and the 'States Rights' movement was a propaganda hoax, IMO. Divide and Conquer. They killed America and the De Jure Emperor of Russia, Alexander II. Why do you think Russians became so incredibly anti-Jewish after he was assassinated? The following 2 Emperors; Alexander III (his son) and Nicholas II (Grandson) were hardcore anti-Jews. Check out the Kishinev Pogrom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kishinev_pogrom). It is amazing how anti-Jew russia became after that, until the Bolshevik Revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolshevik). Hmmmmmmm? Kinda makes you wonder.....

Again, Rothschild Banking ran the entire civilized world with the exception of America and Russia at that time.

I mean hell, Albert Pike was a General for the Confederates making all the deals with the big Indian tribes. (fucking raping them)

I tend to look past the first dimension of things. (Not that you or anyone here doesnt) There are many layers to world events, and i do not stop on the layer that fits my agenda, or makes me feel all gushy inside. I try and go the core, the truth.


You are putting words in my mouth as I never said the Brits were on a particular side. IMO they were waiting on the sidelines to take over a fractured and weakened US, reversing the wars of 1776 and 1812. Via the Rothschilds they had a foothold in both the North and South body politic (again, IMO).

[iOWNme]

I wasnt trying to put words in your mouth sir!

I have posted this here before with really no comments, it is more info of British/Rothschild conspiracy in Lincolns death via the CAJI News service....(Bill Coopers citizen version of the CIA)

The UGLY truth about the ADL (http://www.hourofthetime.com/adl1.htm)


April 14, 1865, the day Abraham Lincoln was shot, will live forever, ladies and gentlemen, as a day of infamy for American patriots, and lovers of freedom all over the world.

But for the leadership of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, and the Order of B'nai B'rith, and it's twentieth-century police arm, the Anti-Defamation League, April 14th, 1865 is a day that will be long remembered for a very different reason.

The B'nai B'rith, a pivotal player in the British Freemasonic plot to destroy the Union, was implicated in Lincoln's assassination--something that you've never been taught.

That fact does not square very well with its long-cultivated--but totally unwarranted--reputation as a Jewish social service organization, and a champion of civil rights. For that reason, B'nai B'rith and the ADL have gone to great lengths, ladies and gentlemen, to bury that history and much, much more.

Simon Wolf <sp?>, 1835-1923, was the Washington, D.C. lawyer for the Order of B'nai B'rith during the entire period of the United States Civil War. He would later head the International Order of B'nai B'rith for many years.

In 1862, Wolf was arrested by Lafayette C. Baker--the Chief of Detectives for the City of Washington, D.C., and later, Lincoln's Chief of the United States Secret Service--on charges that Wolf was involved in spying and blockade running on behalf of the Confederacy.

Baker arrested Wolf, who was the attorney representing a number of Jews accused of spying for the South, on the grounds that he was part of a conspiratorial organization working on behalf of the secessionist cause behind the lines in the nation's capitol. The conspiratorial organization named by Baker was the B'nai B'rith.

Both Baker and United States General Ulysses S. Grant targeted the Order of B'nai B'rith as a Confederate spy agency. Upon taking command of the western front in 1862, General Grant issued Order No. 11 which expelled all Jews from the military district within 24 hours of its implementation.

U.S. Grant was no anti-semite, ladies and gentlemen. He was reacting to the activities of B'nai B'rith and leading Confederates like Judah P. Benjamin.

Lincoln, however, cognizant of the need to avoid blanket attacks against religious or ethnic groups, rescinded the order--which was the proper thing to do--for all Jews are not members of B'nai B'rith; and B'nai B'rith was not solely at guilt.

The Civil War was actually engineered and brought about by British intelligence through their arm of the Illuminati in the United States headed by Albert Pike: the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, whose headquarters at that time was in Charleston, South Carolina.

A 1987 B'nai B'rith-authorized biography of Simon Wolf by Esther L. Panitz <sp?> offered the following highly suggestive--albeit incomplete--description of Wolf's personal relationship with President Lincoln's assassin, John Wilkes Booth.

Now, bear in mind, folks, that this biography, written on the basis of B'nai B'rith's archives--written on the basis of B'nai B'rith's own archives--paints Wolf in the most favorable of lights.......cont