Listen!

[dys]

There is too much information out there now. Yes, it's mostly all disinformation but it doesn't matter because people are waking up to the fact that criminals are in charge. Currency crash followed by NWO ain't gonna fly. RFID chip ain't gonna fly. The terrorists did it is not even going to fly. Look at some of the mainstream forums, look at comments of MSM stories. Too many people catching on.

So I'm going to tell you what is going to happen. There will be a false flag alien invasion. It IS going to happen. A lot of people on this forum suspect this. What most of you don't know, and I speak the truth here, so please listen-
You better get right with God while you still have the chance. You only do it by getting right with His son, Jesus Christ.
You don't do this, you are in for a world of hurt. You won't be able to see the truth.
If you do it, you will. It's that simple.

WARNING; don't dive into this rabbithole. Just don't do it.

dys

[SilverMagnet]

I appreciate your concern, but what is it that makes you believe that the materialistic dumbed down populace of this country is going to resist anything more than an interruption in their regulary scheduled programming? We are already on the verge of financial ruin and still the citizens keep their heads buried in the sand. Every other country has already revolted.

Why?

It's because we have been taught to be meek and turn the other cheek. So forgive me if I don't buy into the organized religion known as Christianity to save me from the evil world. I have been doing fine by living and learning without any guidebooks or lectures on worshipping an invisible deity that hasn't even bothered to introduce himself to me yet. I'll take my chances...

[deides]

There is too much information out there now. Yes, it's mostly all disinformation but it doesn't matter because people are waking up to the fact that criminals are in charge. Currency crash followed by NWO ain't gonna fly. RFID chip ain't gonna fly. The terrorists did it is not even going to fly. Look at some of the mainstream forums, look at comments of MSM stories. Too many people catching on.

So I'm going to tell you what is going to happen. There will be a false flag alien invasion. It IS going to happen. A lot of people on this forum suspect this. What most of you don't know, and I speak the truth here, so please listen-
You better get right with God while you still have the chance. You only do it by getting right with His son, Jesus Christ.
You don't do this, you are in for a world of hurt. You won't be able to see the truth.
If you do it, you will. It's that simple.

WARNING; don't dive into this rabbithole. Just don't do it.

dys


i dont mind you telling me to listen, but I can also tell you to listen to me: the book you hold as truth was in fact a tool used to control a decaying roman empire via the council of nicea. all i can tell you is to look up mythra, which is the deity on which jesus was based on. In fact, the st paul's altar in the vatican predates the jesus myth and is in fact an altar based on the mythraic cult.

look it up, im not kidding.

[Shami-Amourae]

Like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9hl__A1BOA

[dys]

I appreciate your concern, but what is it that makes you believe that the materialistic dumbed down populace of this country is going to resist anything more than an interruption in their regulary scheduled programming? We are already on the verge of financial ruin and still the citizens keep their heads buried in the sand. Every other country has already revolted.

Why?

It's because we have been taught to be meek and turn the other cheek. So forgive me if I don't buy into the organized religion known as Christianity to save me from the evil world. I have been doing fine by living and learning without any guidebooks or lectures on worshipping an invisible deity that hasn't even bothered to introduce himself to me yet. I'll take my chances...





Brother, you don't know what you are saying.
The wolf is nearly at the door. This isn't about organized religion and 'turn the other cheek' doesn't apply here at all. It's a fight, allright. Just not a conventional one.

dys

[dys]

i dont mind you telling me to listen, but I can also tell you to listen to me: the book you hold as truth was in fact a tool used to control a decaying roman empire via the council of nicea. all i can tell you is to look up mythra, which is the deity on which jesus was based on. In fact, the st paul's altar in the vatican predates the jesus myth and is in fact an altar based on the mythraic cult.

look it up, im not kidding.



Oh, I know what Mithras is, allright. And I know who Jesus Christ is. And I know Paul, too. They are all different, Jesus Christ and Mithras are not the same.
Buddy, I've LIVED it.

dys

[MAGNES]

i dont mind you telling me to listen, but I can also tell you to listen to me: the book you hold as truth was in fact a tool used to control a decaying roman empire via the council of nicea. all i can tell you is to look up mythra, which is the deity on which jesus was based on. In fact, the st paul's altar in the vatican predates the jesus myth and is in fact an altar based on the mythraic cult.

look it up, im not kidding.


I'm not a fan of the OT, nor religious, nor even a fan of many of dys comments.

What you posted is hocus pocus jewjitsu nonsense based on no real history.

This is the kind of crap skykike and goldie the self proclaimed " devil worshipper " were posting,
both on gim and here. Same targets, Constantine over and over, and " mythra " nonsense.

And Zeitgeist too, occult crap debunked.

There's more but I don't got time for this , this late, considering these battles were fought long ago.

And won, and the Occult exposed for all to see. On here too.

People that call themselves Christians should learn some of this key history.
It is Pro Christian, Pro West, to defend against trollish posts and nonsense.

I did exactly that, doing major podcasts on classics and key European history. Christian.

I got a good thread on this too on here.

And I toned down my post. It's late. ;D

[SilverMagnet]

Brother, you don't know what you are saying.
The wolf is nearly at the door. This isn't about organized religion and 'turn the other cheek' doesn't apply here at all. It's a fight, allright. Just not a conventional one.

dys


I mean no disrespect dys. And I would be glad to fight along your side for honest values and to defend our families against tyranny. I'm just not a crusader and do not have faith in words written thousands of years ago by people that I never knew. Tangibility is very important to me. That's why I hold Silver.

[dys]

I mean no disrespect dys. And I would be glad to fight along your side for honest values and to defend our families against tyranny. I'm just not a crusader and do not have faith in words written thousands of years ago by people that I never knew. Tangibility is very important to me. That's why I hold Silver.


I know you don't, I didn't take offense. Consider this theory of mine (just a theory/belief, not an absolute):

You cannot have true tyranny without deception. Tyranny is not just "do what I say." It is "believe what I tell you to believe." Why does tyranny work? Seriously, why don't people just tell TPTB to go f- off? Because they are deceived. (end of theory)

Now consider the following-
1. Why are our rulers permitting so much info to be leaked? So much truth?
2. Why so much UFO stuff recently?
3. Timing? Coincidence?

Now here is the really tough part. The part that most people can't bear. Ask yourself if you have been deceived.
You figure out who the enemy is, you're home. For some reason I feel like you aren't far away. I can't say why I have that feeling, but I do.

dys

[Awoke]

I am totally with Dysgenic on two points

1) The are prepping us for an alien psy-op
2) Christ is the only saviour

I think we're getting closer to seeing things unfold in ernest. Things move slow typically, but I think we're going to be seeing things unfold in our lifetime, which is a blink of the eye when compared to how long this battle has been raging on.

[7th trump]

I mean no disrespect dys. And I would be glad to fight along your side for honest values and to defend our families against tyranny. I'm just not a crusader and do not have faith in words written thousands of years ago by people that I never knew. Tangibility is very important to me. That's why I hold Silver.


I know you don't, I didn't take offense. Consider this theory of mine (just a theory/belief, not an absolute):

You cannot have true tyranny without deception. Tyranny is not just "do what I say." It is "believe what I tell you to believe." Why does tyranny work? Seriously, why don't people just tell TPTB to go f- off? Because they are deceived. (end of theory)

Now consider the following-
1. Why are our rulers permitting so much info to be leaked? So much truth?
2. Why so much UFO stuff recently?
3. Timing? Coincidence?

Now here is the really tough part. The part that most people can't bear. Ask yourself if you have been deceived.
You figure out who the enemy is, you're home. For some reason I feel like you aren't far away. I can't say why I have that feeling, but I do.

dys




No disrespect Dys, but are you really not deceived yourself to say "you're home"?
I read on here many of your posts, but you havent yet hit the nail on the head as to the who's, what's, when's and where's of the deceiver.
A lot of Bible reciting by you, but nothing of the 4 w's of the deceiver.
God said He has told us all things and yet you havent mentioned one thing on how the deceiver is to fool the world into worshipping him.
Not one Dys not one thing from you.
I really dont think you know!

As far as the UFO thingy...........well satan has to get here some how doesnt he? The book of Ezekiel describes UFO with the thrown of God in it to a "T".
Satan and his 10,000 other fallen angels are not born of flesh when they appears on earth to set up camp for 5 months now are they?
144,000 will be brought before this fake christ and witness against him and they will be doing this in Jerusalem so some sort of transportation has to be in place for this to happen.
Prepare yourself for satan cometh with many wonders that even the 144,000 will be rubbing their eyes to in disbeleif if they could be deceived.

[mrnhtbr2232]

Personally, I am more concerned with getting right with myself and that gets harder to work on as things go to shit. Yes the wolves are at our doors, and they are a subculture of enforcement and control over independent thought and self-reliance. But the fact they have it down to a science does not mean you need to buy into it. People <b>choose</b> to be freaked out by all kinds of things - Armageddon, national collapse, you name it. Strong-willed individuals will see through it and manage it. Your lofty "you better do it or else" perspective is itself tyranny that places some in a undeserved subordinate position - how do you answer to the fact there are people just as worthy as you to live that are not into salvation? What business is it of yours to tell me what to do with my life and whatever spiritual envelope I may or may not choose to operate in? Frankly, I am content to hold a martini and watch it all burn to the ground at this point. I'm ready for it - are you?

[Neuro]

Yes I do believe we are geared up to an alien false flag attack. I will not believe it unless the aliens take me beyond the orbit of Jupiter, while they install the anal probe, but I do expect some stunning visuals...

[dys]

Personally, I am more concerned with getting right with myself and that gets harder to work on as things go to shit. Yes the wolves are at our doors, and they are a subculture of enforcement and control over independent thought and self-reliance. But the fact they have it down to a science does not mean you need to buy into it. People <b>choose</b> to be freaked out by all kinds of things - Armageddon, national collapse, you name it. Strong-willed individuals will see through it and manage it. Your lofty "you better do it or else" perspective is itself tyranny that places some in a undeserved subordinate position - how do you answer to the fact there are people just as worthy as you to live that are not into salvation? What business is it of yours to tell me what to do with my life and whatever spiritual envelope I may or may not choose to operate in? Frankly, I am content to hold a martini and watch it all burn to the ground at this point. I'm ready for it - are you?


Listen, I am no more worthy than you or anyone else out there. And quite honestly, it is none of my business what you do.
That being said, if this goes down as I suspect that it might you won't be holding a martini and you will be 'choosing' to be freaked out.

dys

[Half Sense]

Or else what, dys?

[General of Darkness]

Space Alien false flag? Seriously? How the hell do you pull that off? Sounds like a bad B movie or something.

[sirgonzo420]

Space Alien false flag? Seriously? How the hell do you pull that off? Sounds like a bad B movie or something.


Watch and see...

[osoab]

So what happens when the real aliens arrive? :sun:

[sirgonzo420]

So what happens when the real aliens arrive? :sun:


they've been here...
http://avm.gangs.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/mstitle.jpg

[dys]

Space Alien false flag? Seriously? How the hell do you pull that off? Sounds like a bad B movie or something.


It's not. It's going to happen. All roads lead to Rome.

dys

[keehah]

You seem to be making the case dys that running under the spell of the old project bluebeam is better than falling for the new project bluebeam.

You may be right, but there is a third option. Not falling under the spell of either of the project bluebeams.

[dys]

You seem to be making the case dys that running under the spell of the old project bluebeam is better than falling for the new project bluebeam.

You may be right, but there is a third option. Not falling under the spell of either of the project bluebeams.


'Aliens' do not exist. But the deception goes far beyond a technology thing.

dys

[gunDriller]

I am totally with Dysgenic on two points

1) The are prepping us for an alien psy-op
2) Christ is the only saviour

I think we're getting closer to seeing things unfold in ernest. Things move slow typically, but I think we're going to be seeing things unfold in our lifetime, which is a blink of the eye when compared to how long this battle has been raging on.


the way the US government has approached this, for a while, was with a two-fold limited hang-out -
* officially, they kept denying and the MSM kept ridiculing people who believe in UFO's.
* privately, people were finding out on their own - by meeting people who have had contact experiences, by reading books such as "Above Top Secret", which is based entirely on reports from uniformed service personnel.

there were also occasional limited disclosures, e.g. in 1995 the US Air Force had a press release in the San Jose Mercury News where they admitted recovering object in New Mexico in 1947 that were non-terrestrial in origin, and that were manufactured in origin - i.e. not meteorites. it was buried, it was very brief, but it was there.


recently, they have picked up the pace. they appear to be moving to a new phase of the program. the FBI website disclosures are one example.

i don't watch TV so i don't know what is said on MSM.

my guess is that when an official, front page disclosure is made, that the US gov. and the powers behind them will try to present it in a religious context.


based on a job interview i had where the subject was discussed, i think that the official disclosure will involve the sighting of objects in orbit around earth, and that the objects will be arranged in a double-helix.

as far as which is a real contact experience, and which is the unveiling of advanced technologies possessed by human powers behind the US government, i think that will be muddied. i.e. it will be hard to tell the difference.

i also think that the reason that the missile defense program gets so much funding despite their enormous f*ckups (shootdown of TWA Flight 800) is because programs such as Airborne Laser will be advertised to the general public as a possible defense against "hostile aliens".

i.e. before they can admit to a problem, they have to make a reasonable presentation that they have a solution.

[PatColo]

Yes I do believe we are geared up to an alien false flag attack. I will not believe it unless the aliens take me beyond the orbit of Jupiter, while they install the anal probe, but I do expect some stunning visuals...


Might they be deterred once they discover the rings of debris around Uranus, though? :conf:

[keehah]

A collapse of the elite's fiat ponzi schemes and country's sovereignty first will make a great douche.

[bellevuebully]

Dys,

Honest questions:

How long have you known Jesus Christ?

Could you quantify in some relative term how much serious bible study (including language comparitives, escheatology, historical context) you have engaged in?

Do you realize that when you make dogmatic, unassured declarations regarding what 'will' happen, you may be part of the confusion and deception?

There are only several facts that we can be assuredly dogmatic about:

Man is a sinner.
Jesus is a Saviour in having paid personally for our transgression.
Jesus offers the sinner refuge in his having satisfied the law for our transgression.

Remember the verse in Revelation about adding or subtracting from the words of that prophecy? Think about it. It's there for a reason.

Sincerely, Bb.

[SHTF2010]

You seem to be making the case dys that running under the spell of the old project bluebeam is better than falling for the new project bluebeam.

You may be right, but there is a third option. Not falling under the spell of either of the project bluebeams.


WE may not fall for any bluebeam BS
but what about the sheeple ?
if a religious twist is added to a " new age " bluebeam FF
how many religious people would fall for it
especially if reinforced by " celeb " religious figures ( Hagee ? )

[dys]

Dys,

Honest questions:

How long have you known Jesus Christ?

Could you quantify in some relative term how much serious bible study (including language comparitives, escheatology, historical context) you have engaged in?

Do you realize that when you make dogmatic, unassured declarations regarding what 'will' happen, you may be part of the confusion and deception?

There are only several facts that we can be assuredly dogmatic about:

Man is a sinner.
Jesus is a Saviour in having paid personally for our transgression.
Jesus offers the sinner refuge in his having satisfied the law for our transgression.

Remember the verse in Revelation about adding or subtracting from the words of that prophecy? Think about it. It's there for a reason.

Sincerely, Bb.




Bellevue-

My intention wasn't to marry things like prophecy, eschatology, biblical doctrine, etc... I agree with your absolute statements. I have no idea if a false flag alien attack would even be the end of the days, although I suspect that it could. All I know is what I know. Maybe I should rephrase? You don't want to go down that rabbit hole without Jesus Christ in your corner (actually, you don't want to go down that rabbit hole at all). I believe that the rabbit hole is coming soon to everyone, ready or not, like it or not. This belief is not based on some vision or angel speaking to me or anything like that. Sorry for the confusion. Perhaps I should have phrased it differently.

dys

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Space Alien false flag? Seriously? How the hell do you pull that off? Sounds like a bad B movie or something.


They've proven they have energy weapons, and they've proven that they have holograms.


Those two added together is a really nice start for a flase flag which can be blamed on nobody on earth.

Here, she's a hologram:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiP8xu4anAY


Ask yourself where this technology went? You're right, it DOES sound like a bad 1980's movie, because that's the last time they spoke about holograms like they were an achievable science! Right after that, holograms completely dropped off the radar - the public at large just assumed they weren't possible and stopped demanding them. But they have been developed, yet we never talk about them in the public discourse....

[bellevuebully]

My intention wasn't to marry things like prophecy, eschatology, biblical doctrine, etc...dys


Dys, I appreciate you taking my sincere comments with humility. That's also how they were delivered. I did read the o/p as a prophetic claim, and, well, you read the comments in my post, and I do stand on them, but I am glad to hear you are not making some prophetic claim. To me, it kind of sounded like it. So also, sorry for any confusion.

As to an alien ff, I can't say that I subscribe to that. At one time, I certainly did. I think there is room for speculation on those lines that refer to Nephilim, but again, this is highly speculative stuff.

I am of the impression that much of what we tend to see as the roots of Satans works on earth are mere layers and layers of confusing distractions. This would include Masonic control/subculture, alien phenomenon, illuminate, new age, NWO, eugenics, etc. I don't believe the final punch is coming from any one of those directions. When Jesus says that the coming deception would fool even the elect, if possible, that would discount many of the things above, imo.

In order for the deception to be so potent, Satan, I believe, will hit us in our most sensitive insecurities when the antichrist comes. I believe that to be faith.....the evidence of things unseen. Those , who through a lack of really knowing Jesus and having the testimony of the Spirit within them, will see their faith disintegrate before their eyes. What they have thought they believed will now be believed as to being a mistake and they will adopt what they now believe to be truth.

Time will tell the details of this plot, but the most important thing in these days is to focus on his word and his work, so that when the antichrist arrive, as many as possible can be spared from his empty lie.

As I said, I am not dogmatic regarding the details, but I think it is prudent to keep watch also. I do find the inverse similarity of Islamic endtimes prophecy to be incredibly plausible as being a methodology of an imperial act of iniquity. I posted this link before, but it flew under the radar I think. It is an interview with Adnan Oktar, a Turkish author and spiritual leader explaining the expected soon coming of the Islamic Mehdi. Unlike alien invasion (and again, I recognize now that you were not necessarily tying that in), it scripturally fits into biblical endtime prophecy and thus should be viewed further with discernment. Here is the link. I would highly encourage you to view it in it's entirety for your own spiritual dissemination.

http://en.harunyahya.tv/videoDetail/Lang/4/Product/14800/AN_INTERVIEW_WITH_MR._ADNAN_OKTAR_BY_JOEL_RICHARDS ON_(JUNE_22,_2009)

Peace Dys, and may God bless you in your faith in his saving grace.

[bellevuebully]

Ask yourself where this technology went? You're right, it DOES sound like a bad 1980's movie, because that's the last time they spoke about holograms like they were an achievable science!

No doubt, NE. I'll bet if you asked 90% of North Americans if this kind of tech. existed, they would not even be aware of it. Personally, I think it is a good thing to be aware of.

[dys]

Dys, I appreciate you taking my sincere comments with humility. That's also how they were delivered. I did read the o/p as a prophetic claim, and, well, you read the comments in my post, and I do stand on them, but I am glad to hear you are not making some prophetic claim. To me, it kind of sounded like it. So also, sorry for any confusion.

As to an alien ff, I can't say that I subscribe to that. At one time, I certainly did. I think there is room for speculation on those lines that refer to Nephilim, but again, this is highly speculative stuff.

I am of the impression that much of what we tend to see as the roots of Satans works on earth are mere layers and layers of confusing distractions. This would include Masonic control/subculture, alien phenomenon, illuminate, new age, NWO, eugenics, etc. I don't believe the final punch is coming from any one of those directions. When Jesus says that the coming deception would fool even the elect, if possible, that would discount many of the things above, imo.

In order for the deception to be so potent, Satan, I believe, will hit us in our most sensitive insecurities when the antichrist comes. I believe that to be faith.....the evidence of things unseen. Those , who through a lack of really knowing Jesus and having the testimony of the Spirit within them, will see their faith disintegrate before their eyes. What they have thought they believed will now be believed as to being a mistake and they will adopt what they now believe to be truth.

Time will tell the details of this plot, but the most important thing in these days is to focus on his word and his work, so that when the antichrist arrive, as many as possible can be spared from his empty lie.

As I said, I am not dogmatic regarding the details, but I think it is prudent to keep watch also. I do find the inverse similarity of Islamic endtimes prophecy to be incredibly plausible as being a methodology of an imperial act of iniquity. I posted this link before, but it flew under the radar I think. It is an interview with Adnan Oktar, a Turkish author and spiritual leader explaining the expected soon coming of the Islamic Mehdi. Unlike alien invasion (and again, I recognize now that you were not necessarily tying that in), it scripturally fits into biblical endtime prophecy and thus should be viewed further with discernment. Here is the link. I would highly encourage you to view it in it's entirety for your own spiritual dissemination.

http://en.harunyahya.tv/videoDetail/Lang/4/Product/14800/AN_INTERVIEW_WITH_MR._ADNAN_OKTAR_BY_JOEL_RICHARDS ON_(JUNE_22,_2009)

Peace Dys, and may God bless you in your faith in his saving grace.


Very interesting insights, Bellevue. Speaking of vulnerabilities, I think the most vulnerable area is 'faith vs. works'. I've always felt it likely that the antichrist will preach a works doctrine.

dys

[bellevuebully]

I've always felt it likely that the antichrist will preach a works doctrine.

dys


Satan's always preached a works doctrine.

One of the covert operations that is going on today on the internet is the SDA movement. Many sites out there preaching Sabbath-keeping and law-keeping that don't directly affiliate to SDA, but if you dig through names and authors cited, they all lead right back to SDA roots.

Catholism based largely on works...fullfilment of sacraments and adherance to canons.

If Satan is not attacking the grace of Christ, he is attacking his deity.

Good works done to obtain salvation are wholly different from good works done out of love for one's Lord and out of a law that is written on one's heart. Satan masterfully twists the relationship of works and grace leading many to falsely believe that the life being sanctified has no need to display evidence of that sanctification.

They are led to believe that faith and works are wholly exclusive. They are not. They are tied together like a horse and carriage. Genuine conversion is noted when one views the order that they are hooked up.....faith leading, works following. They are a pair. One without the other, or the two in the wrong order, are counterfits.

Did you get a chance to view the video link? Here is another very interesting development on that front which recently came to light. It is a film being distributed by Iranian leadership regarding the same topic.

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/70200/the_coming_is_near_iran_propaganda/

[dys]

Good works done to obtain salvation are wholly different from good works done out of love for one's Lord and out of a law that is written on one's heart. Satan masterfully twists the relationship of works and grace leading many to falsely believe that the life being sanctified has no need to display evidence of that sanctification.

They are led to believe that faith and works are wholly exclusive. They are not. They are tied together like a horse and carriage. Genuine conversion is noted when one views the order that they are hooked up.....faith leading, works following. They are a pair. One without the other, or the two in the wrong order, are counterfits.

Did you get a chance to view the video link? Here is another very interesting development on that front which recently came to light. It is a film being distributed by Iranian leadership regarding the same topic.

I didn't, but I will. Thank you for these comments. This is one of the best explanations I have ever heard pertaining to faith vs. works. I've always had a difficult time understanding the following passage:
"Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead."
James 2:17

dys

[bellevuebully]

Good works done to obtain salvation are wholly different from good works done out of love for one's Lord and out of a law that is written on one's heart. Satan masterfully twists the relationship of works and grace leading many to falsely believe that the life being sanctified has no need to display evidence of that sanctification.

They are led to believe that faith and works are wholly exclusive. They are not. They are tied together like a horse and carriage. Genuine conversion is noted when one views the order that they are hooked up.....faith leading, works following. They are a pair. One without the other, or the two in the wrong order, are counterfits.

Did you get a chance to view the video link? Here is another very interesting development on that front which recently came to light. It is a film being distributed by Iranian leadership regarding the same topic.

I didn't, but I will. Thank you for these comments. This is one of the best explanations I have ever heard pertaining to faith vs. works. I've always had a difficult time understanding the following passage:
"Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead."
James 2:17

dys


Thanks dys. I'll comment on James.

Here are the surrounding verses:



If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be [ye] warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what [doth it] profit? James 2:15,16

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 2:17

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. James 2:18

Here is the same verse in the New Living Translation:

Now someone may argue, "Some people have faith; others have good deeds." But I say, "How can you show me your faith if you don't have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds."


For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:26



In verse 18, he is saying works is really the only way to show genuine faith. Otherwise a statement of faith, or a statement of belief, are really just empty words. Like this: picture a Knight standing at his post. He says to his wingman, “I am brave and valient, and I will stand to the death to defend the King”. Sounds good. But his mettle is not authenticated until he is called to do so. If instead, he piles up like a coward, his words were dead. The Christ centered life is much like that. Do you believe enough to do? And do not be fooled. We certainly are asked to ‘do’. ‘Pick up your cross and follow me’ was not an excersice in creative writing. Jesus expects us to strive for change in our thinking and to prove it by our actions:

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice (serving his will, not our desires<<<mine), holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove (how? by the only way you can, as James explained, by good works<<<<mine) what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.


It not only proves it to others, but more importantly, it proves it to ourselves:

‘The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?’ Jeremiah 17:9


Hope that helps a bit.

[7th trump]

Good works done to obtain salvation are wholly different from good works done out of love for one's Lord and out of a law that is written on one's heart. Satan masterfully twists the relationship of works and grace leading many to falsely believe that the life being sanctified has no need to display evidence of that sanctification.

They are led to believe that faith and works are wholly exclusive. They are not. They are tied together like a horse and carriage. Genuine conversion is noted when one views the order that they are hooked up.....faith leading, works following. They are a pair. One without the other, or the two in the wrong order, are counterfits.

Did you get a chance to view the video link? Here is another very interesting development on that front which recently came to light. It is a film being distributed by Iranian leadership regarding the same topic.

I didn't, but I will. Thank you for these comments. This is one of the best explanations I have ever heard pertaining to faith vs. works. I've always had a difficult time understanding the following passage:
"Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead."
James 2:17

dys


Thanks dys. I'll comment on James.

Here are the surrounding verses:



If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be [ye] warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what [doth it] profit? James 2:15,16

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 2:17

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. James 2:18

Here is the same verse in the New Living Translation:

Now someone may argue, "Some people have faith; others have good deeds." But I say, "How can you show me your faith if you don't have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds."


For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:26



In verse 18, he is saying works is really the only way to show genuine faith. Otherwise a statement of faith, or a statement of belief, are really just empty words. Like this: picture a Knight standing at his post. He says to his wingman, “I am brave and valient, and I will stand to the death to defend the King”. Sounds good. But his mettle is not authenticated until he is called to do so. If instead, he piles up like a coward, his words were dead. The Christ centered life is much like that. Do you believe enough to do? And do not be fooled. We certainly are asked to ‘do’. ‘Pick up your cross and follow me’ was not an excersice in creative writing. Jesus expects us to strive for change in our thinking and to prove it by our actions:

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice (serving his will, not our desires<<<mine), holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove (how? by the only way you can, as James explained, by good works<<<<mine) what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.


It not only proves it to others, but more importantly, it proves it to ourselves:

‘The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?’ Jeremiah 17:9


Hope that helps a bit.

I think Dys scolded me a while back about this very subject so I just quit talking about it. Just figured Dys is not at all smart as he thinks he is.
I said nobody will get saved unless they have works to prove your faith.
God always has an "if" in most of his blessings.
You can even see this in Revelation. Anybody who taketh the number of the beast, even the number on their hand, is not saved and I dont care if that person has been a pew sitting church goer all their days.
They are not saved and will be punished for their sin.

[FunnyMoney]

I think Dys scolded me a while back ....

... Anybody who taketh the number of the beast, even the number on their hand, is not saved and I dont care if that person has been a pew sitting church goer all their days.
They are not saved and will be punished for their sin.


Clearly the govts of the world are on track to make things eventually so difficult that many are faced with either taking the number or starving or worse. I'm not sure that they really need another FF event, alien or otherwise. Wasn't it enough , the last FF event?

Things are being pushed over the cliff already pretty fast, without the need for them to play the "alien" trump card.

[Buddha]

You guys remember that quote by that guy? Some general in the Air Force. If you've seen it in Star War or Star Trek it's already been done or has been tried and deemed not worth it.

[7th trump]

I think Dys scolded me a while back ....

... Anybody who taketh the number of the beast, even the number on their hand, is not saved and I dont care if that person has been a pew sitting church goer all their days.
They are not saved and will be punished for their sin.


Clearly the govts of the world are on track to make things eventually so difficult that many are faced with either taking the number or starving or worse. I'm not sure that they really need another FF event, alien or otherwise. Wasn't it enough , the last FF event?

Things are being pushed over the cliff already pretty fast, without the need for them to play the "alien" trump card.

FunnyMoney with all do respect the "number" is not an actual number, its an event.
666 is very Biblical and has nothing at all to do with modern day technology, myth, ssn or anything of that nature. Everything we need to know is written in the Bible including the meaning and wisdom behind 666.
The only place you read about 666 is in Revelations. Revelation is just that revealing whats going to take place in basically short form. All the details of the end days (even what its going to be like in the millenium) can be collected from Ezekiel, Mathew, Peter, Luke and so on and put together to get one clear picture. Ezekiel has more detailed documentation about the end times and related events than Revelation does. Far more detail and goes into what its going to be like in the millenium for those who go into the thousand year correction with a rod of iron.
Most dont understand this at all and when they read books like Ezekiel they dont understand that they are reading the details of whos coming (the fake christ or the real Christ) and what this fake entity is doing and why in the end days. They beleive what they read has already happened hundreds of years ago. For some odd reason people cannot fathom that God wrote letters to them through out history which are collected into one book called the Bible. Each book of the Bible basically comes from different era's of time and location which were scribed on scrolls (if you will) and later collected and translated into one book, the Bible.
A lot of the books have a little bit wrote of the end times and satan role play acting as christ when he appears. One book might be from Greek origin and another from Hebrew origin or Aramaic, all from different times seperated by hundreds of years. Nonetheless these books were wrote by God through who ever He influenced to write them.
Some will argue they are from different languages and times and therefore cannot be trusted. Me, I think writing the books from different parts of the world in different languages at different times is brilliant when you understand the message is the same. God made it this way so that His word cannot be refuted. He makes it so that theres no question about the truth. The common denominater is the message is the same, the fake christ comes first before the real Christ appears at the 7th trump.
666 is nothing more than the 6th trumpet, the 6th seal, and the 6th vial.
Christ told us that He comes at the last trumpet. His return is the 7th trumpet, the last one. Theres only 7 trumpets, 7 seals and 7 vials total making 777.
Everything has already been told including when the fake christ comes which is 666.
Have you ever read where Christ Himself says that if you see a man in the desert claiming to be Christ it is not Me?
Remember this is Christ Himself saying this to you. Christ is warning you that a fake christ is coming in the desert.
Where is Jerusalem located?........smack dab in the middle of a desert of course.
In Revelation is it not written that the obmination of desolation will stand in Jerusalem having many wonders claiming to be Christ? Well...yes it does and astoudingly point blank!
Ever took the word "anti-christ" from the book of Revealation and translated it back into its original Greek language to see if anything was mistranslated?
Most likely not, however for your edification, "anti" translates to "instead of". That was the best the ancient translators could do at that time of translating. And lets not forget how much the English language has changed today since those ancient translators time.
Today "anti" broadly and commonly means the "opposite of". Ask your self FunnyMoney is the "opposite of" the same as "instead of"?
Now lets look at this with intelligence and understanding to gain wisdom to see if the "opposite of " is the same as "instead of".
Lets put "christ" behind the translated phrase "instead of " and "opposite of" to properly receive the Word of God.

"Opposite of christ" and "instead of Christ"

Well the opposite of christ tells me anyway that something or someone is in opposition to Christ.
And "instead of christ" doesnt tell me something or someone is in opposition to Christ but something or someone that is a "generic christ" or something taking the place of the real Christ, as in a fake christ.
So what were we told about this abomination again?
Oh yes thats right the obmination stands in Jerusalem claiming to be Christ.
But ask yourself what good is it for satan to be claiming to be Christ having all these wonders to fool the world if most people beleive Christ has already returned and raptured away the beleivers to return again?
I've never read where Christ returns again. He returns only once!
Doesnt make any darn sense at all does it?
So what is God telling us about 666.
666 is a man coming to this earth (rather kicked to earth from Heaven) to claim a position that is not rightfully his to claim to fool the earth into worshipping him instead of the real Christ who returns at 777.
6 comes before 7 does it not?
The intellignece and wisdom of understanding 666 is that satan is coming to play act as Jesus Christ just after the collaspe of the NWO (the second beast in Revelation) to resurrect the the nwo beast that received the deadly blow.

So look for satan being kicked to this earth play acting as the real Jesus Christ just after the globalist fail (kenite jews having satan as their father) in their agenda to dominate the world in their quest to control the world. This fake christ is going to resurrect the globalist nwo under the approval of the world thinking this fake is the real Christ.
Now thats wisdomn is it not?!

[Half Sense]

If Satan will attack us in our "faith", he won't find a target anywhere near me. So I'm good.

[bellevuebully]

If Satan will attack us in our "faith", he won't find a target anywhere near me.

You are correct.






So I'm good.



You are incorrect.