Forum intelligence test: Did we make it to the moon?

[Gaillo]

Read it and vote.. or not. Amounts to the same! ;D

[SilverMagnet]

Bombers Scanned it. The Moon that is.

[PatColo]

I said "other", due to the lack of "I don't know" option. The technical case I've heard is mostly above my pay grade, IE the "Van Allen Radiation Belt", impassable by humans in a tin box? HTF am I s'posed to evaluate that claim? I've seen the photographic & video "anomalies" case made by the skeptics too- compelling in some cases, but again, I'm a skeptic's skeptic, so even their review of the photos leaves open many possibilities. So short version = I don't know, but I certainly allow for the possibility that it was all hoaxed up.

"But the Soviets would've called out the hoax!" Well maybe, but we know now Soviet/Communism was "false opposition" in fact run by the same banksters who rule the West.

Hollywood even produced the 1978 movie "Capricorn One" starring OJ Slasher Simpson (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077294/), about a hoaxed Mars mission, very suggestive. "A NASA Mars mission won't work, and its funding is endangered, so they decide to fake it just this once. But then they have to keep the secret... "

Eric SuperFreak Hufschmid's moon hoax page, http://www.erichufschmid.net/Apollo_NASA.html

Apollo skeptic Bart Sibrel's site: http://www.moonmovie.com
He made the documentary, "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon".

Of course, when this 34 second outtake was leaked, the skeptics had their indisputable pwoof,
http://www.spike.com/video-clips/itvd1p/fake-apollo-landing ;D

[Large Sarge]

no, we never went

Patcolo had a few reasons why

the main thing is that when the russians sent up chimps in the early stages, they all came home looking like they had spent a few days in the microwave oven (set on high)

the radiation up there is incredible.

the technology was not around then to permit us to safely travel there

and it begs the question, in all of man's "evolution", why have we never gone back?

I mean once you do something a few times, in theory it gets easier, more routine.

we supposedly went to the moon 12-13 times? and we never went back?

now the last I heard was we might be able to go back by 2025

Imagine you make a dozen trips to the south pole, its cold and grueling, very difficult, but you learn stuff, and get better each time.

then you stop going, and decide it will take 40+ years to ever go back again.....

and in the meantime, no one else around the planet is able to duplicate your effort, and make the journey, they all decide to wait 40 years also....

in looking at the moon mission, part of it I suspect came from the famous "war of the worlds" radio show in the 50's

TPTB realized how easily most Americans are duped.

once the TV got more widespread, they used that meme to their advantage...

[willie pete]

no, we never went

Patcolo had a few reasons why

the main thing is that when the russians sent up chimps in the early stages, they all came home looking like they had spent a few days in the microwave oven (set on high)

the radiation up there is incredible.

the technology was not around then to permit us to safely travel there

and it begs the question, in all of man's "evolution", why have we never gone back?

I mean once you do something a few times, in theory it gets easier, more routine.

we supposedly went to the moon 12-13 times? and we never went back?

now the last I heard was we might be able to go back by 2025

Imagine you make a dozen trips to the south pole, its cold and grueling, very difficult, but you learn stuff, and get better each time.

then you stop going, and decide it will take 40+ years to ever go back again.....

and in the meantime, no one else around the planet is able to duplicate your effort, and make the journey, they all decide to wait 40 years also....

in looking at the moon mission, part of it I suspect came from the famous "war of the worlds" radio show in the 50's

TPTB realized how easily most Americans are duped.

once the TV got more widespread, they used that meme to their advantage...



since the last Apollo Mission was in 1972, and there'd been several (11 or 12?) Moon Missions and at least a half dozen landings, I think the attitude was to look at Low Earth Orbit Programs..ie the Shuttle (first shuttle flight was in 1981? '82?) and installing various satellites (communication,military,navigatory) into various degrees of orbits around the Earth ...I'm just guessing though :D

[Antonio]

http://www.erichufschmid.net/Apollo_NASA.html

[woodman]

I always thought it odd that there was no blast crater at all. Wouldn't they need thrust while landing to slow their motion so they didn't crash?

[Neuro]

I always thought it odd that there was no blast crater at all. Wouldn't they need thrust while landing to slow their motion so they didn't crash?
Cheese doesn't exert gravity on spacepods! Even more amazing that they could bring a lunar rover with them in a pod that only weighs 2 tons excluding the fuel. The take off from the moon was much too fast, for the lunar pods rockets too. Many unexplained anomalies...

[Son-of-Liberty]

I went with no. Too many problems with the story. No crater or scorch marks left by the lander. Odd light sources in the pictures. One thing that I find very unlikely is that they would be able to take off from the moon and reconnect with the re-entry module, all the steering and timing done by hand, it is like trying to hit a bullet with a bullet.

Don't forget that they "lost" the original, color video footage. So the only video we have is the tapings of the black and white video clips that were aired on TV.

Also to me the moon lander looks like something put together in some guys garage.

[mrnhtbr2232]

As intriguing as it is to think we never pulled it off, I have a hard time discounting people like Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong - both people claim to have witnessed alien UFOs when they landed and stepped down from the lunar module and I'm guessing they found something up there we were not supposed to know about. It took 11 missions to work out the details, but I believe there is an alien base on the moon and we are not alone. The fact we have never gone back speaks volumes to the possibility. I've been a Project Bluebook enthusiast and the USAF has some advanced aircraft and propulsion that is suspicious considering 100 years ago we were still running horses on main street delivering ice and selling apples for five cents. The fact the government even bothered to investigate if UFOs were a threat to national security is either a hoax or truth in plain sight.

[sirgonzo420]

I don't know if "we" made it to the moon or not... but either way, the footage is bullshit.

[PatColo]

I don't know if "we" made it to the moon or not... but either way, the footage is Bullshit.


Stanley Kubrick's work, by some accounts.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_theories#Stanley_Kubrick_i nvolvement

[Sparky]

...

Of course, when this 34 second outtake was leaked, the skeptics had their indisputable pwoof,
http://www.spike.com/video-clips/itvd1p/fake-apollo-landing ;D



Seems to me it would be a lot easier to fake this 34-second outtake than to fake the entire moon landing mission.

[Santa]

I used to think, no way did they go to the moon. The moon lander was built out of spray painted cardboard, schedule 40 pvc water pipe, space blankets and duct tape for crying out loud. At least that's what the ridiculous contraption at Cape Canaveral Space Museum is made of. I know this because I used to take chartered bus groups of 5th graders there to visit the place and oftentimes not even the little kids were fooled by the lousy construction materials. :D

However, these days, what with outsourcing and after watching many UFO video's on youtube... as well as watching trillions of dollars disappear from the pentagon, I'm thinking, not only did they go to the moon, but they may have covertly and in collaboration with alien technology, built the galaxy's most exclusive and well protected vacation resort and condominium complex for the super elite.

[sirgonzo420]

I used to think, no way did they go to the moon. The moon lander was built out of spray painted cardboard, schedule 40 pvc water pipe, space blankets and duct tape for crying out loud. At least that's what the ridiculous contraption at Cape Canaveral Space Museum is made of. I know this because I used to take chartered bus groups of 5th graders there to visit the place and oftentimes not even the little kids were fooled by the lousy construction materials. :D

However, these days, what with outsourcing and after watching many UFO video's on youtube... as well as watching trillions of dollars disappear from the pentagon, I'm thinking, not only did they go to the moon, but they may have covertly and in collaboration with alien technology, built the galaxy's most exclusive and well protected vacation resort and condominium complex for the super elite.





I'd say it could go either way.

[Hatha Sunahara]

I think the moon landings were a fake, but I am having difficulty with the huge Saturn rockets they actually launched. What was the point of launching such huge expensive rockets, if they were going to fake the moon landings? Or were the Saturn rockets a fake too?

I know that government bureaucrats are unable to admit mistakes, and capable of weaving huge fabrications to cover mistakes or embarrassing failures. So, can we assume that the whole moon program was a fake? And our astronauts are scam artists? Wouldn't that be a bit too big to be able to cover up successfully?


Hatha

[Awoke]

I voted meh, but I don't think they made it.

[Neuro]

As intriguing as it is to think we never pulled it off, I have a hard time discounting people like Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong - both people claim to have witnessed alien UFOs when they landed and stepped down from the lunar module
Some type of brain washing, mindcontrol program, during the one week absence? Many people would think that the the moon trip was real, because they are trying to cover up the aliens/UFO's they saw. The idea of an alien cover up, is more appealing than a hoax moon trip.

[Libertytree]

Growing up I had no doubt we went to the moon, I mean, hey we watched it happen on tv! My parents even let me stay up well past bedtime because it was so important. Since then I've sifted through all the same things you all have and I'm left with enough doubt to unwaveringly say, I still don't know shit, lol.

The conspiracy side of me thinks that we did find something/someone there and all the doctoring and the footage provided is the covering up of that info.

As a side story: When I was 11-12 we went on vacation to Fl and my mamau went with us, including a trip to Cape Canaveral. Part of the reason for this tour was to make her believe we had gone to the moon because she vehemently said it was total bullshit! Looking back on it now I guess I know where I get my conspiracy gene from. ;D Oh, even after our tour she still thought it was bullshit.

[Uncle Salty]

No.

The astronaut program is probably just an extension of the MK Ultra program.

[MAGNES]

Bombers Scanned it. The Moon that is.


Date Registered: November 28, 2010, 08:52:34 PM

[Awoke]

Hahaha, oops!

(@ Magnes)

[StreetsOfGold]

There is NO "alien" UFO's (it's ALL government propaganda) ALL UFO's are man-made and NOT from some "alien" technology found and re-engineered. How gullible some folks are, hellywood propaganda at it's best.

NASA space program = Convienent excuse to bilk folks out of tax dollars for going to the moon, mars, venus, etc. Of course, ways of doing this have changed, there are far superiors ways now... but NASA is still good for some and they need to keep some validity so the program needs to stay in place.

The glorified golf cart was a sure proof, for me personally, that they never went. NO WAY they would / COULD drag that thing all the way there, plus the way it travels (the dirts spins out from the wheels, etc) in the videos PROVE is was done ON EARTH.

[ximmy]

???
Unfolding & deploying rover...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-M5r2OKPNk

[gunDriller]

The fact we have never gone back speaks volumes to the possibility. I've been a Project Bluebook enthusiast and the USAF has some advanced aircraft and propulsion that is suspicious considering 100 years ago we were still running horses on main street delivering ice and selling apples for five cents.

i'd love to see horses used in commerce again.

i would have to ask an experienced engineer & a knowledgeable historian, who was in the age range 45 to 65 - in 1969- who watched, to see what their BS meter told them.

it is odd that we didn't go back.

i wonder if they did go, as described by the astronauts (or were they hired for their willingness to lie, like so many other public & corporate employees ?) ... and then found themselves in over their head.

maybe they ran into a redneck ET who told them to stay on Earth and fired a redneck ET shotgun over their heads.

[Libertytree]

The fact we have never gone back speaks volumes to the possibility. I've been a Project Bluebook enthusiast and the USAF has some advanced aircraft and propulsion that is suspicious considering 100 years ago we were still running horses on main street delivering ice and selling apples for five cents.

i'd love to see horses used in commerce again.

i would have to ask an experienced engineer & a knowledgeable historian, who was in the age range 45 to 65 - in 1969- who watched, to see what their BS meter told them.

it is odd that we didn't go back.

i wonder if they did go, as described by the astronauts (or were they hired for their willingness to lie, like so many other public & corporate employees ?) ... and then found themselves in over their head.

maybe they ran into a redneck ET who told them to stay on Earth and fired a redneck ET shotgun over their heads.



The fact we have never gone back speaks volumes to the possibility. I've been a Project Bluebook enthusiast and the USAF has some advanced aircraft and propulsion that is suspicious considering 100 years ago we were still running horses on main street delivering ice and selling apples for five cents.

i'd love to see horses used in commerce again.

i would have to ask an experienced engineer & a knowledgeable historian, who was in the age range 45 to 65 - in 1969- who watched, to see what their BS meter told them.

it is odd that we didn't go back.

i wonder if they did go, as described by the astronauts (or were they hired for their willingness to lie, like so many other public & corporate employees ?) ... and then found themselves in over their head.

maybe they ran into a redneck ET who told them to stay on Earth and fired a redneck ET shotgun over their heads.


I'd love to go back to horse transport, even on a limited local scale. I've even thought that having horses or accessability to them might be of great value at some point.

LMFAO! That's some funny shit....redneck ET's..thanks fer the chuckles!!

[keehah]

maybe they ran into a redneck ET who told them to stay on Earth and fired a redneck ET shotgun over their heads.

One deception 'pigezzans' (begets) another. Bluebeam Project may ultimately be more eligatarian. Or perhaps utilitarian in the limited minds of those with charge.

Everywhere a critical somewhat informed eye looks one can see the flaws, but its really the bulk of circumstantial evidence that makes the case.

Watching the dune buggy bounce around, the Space shuttle suits, advanced and for less harsh environment 3 times heavier, shots of the men in the cramped module, who would have had it worse if the module actually contained the top of the rocket engine as shown in the Museum, UFO's being explained by plasma effects (EU theory), the drugged or MKUltra'd like resentment in some ex-astronaut interviews come first to mind.

[Large Sarge]

hey as long as we are on the UFO/Alien topic

recommend a book

cosmic pulse of life

http://www.trevorjamesconstable.com/

that book converted me on the UFO, from non-believer to believer

[Olmstein]

I'm still not entirely convinced of the existence of the "moon". So I can't say whether or not man has traveled to a place that may or may not exist.

[Son-of-Liberty]

What's with all the gold aluminum foil and why is it only needed on the bottom of the moon lander?

[Son-of-Liberty]

Not sure how to embed the picture but here is the link.

http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Earth_over_Apollo_11_Lunar_Module.jpg/119px-Earth_over_Apollo_11_Lunar_Module.jpg

Notice the shoddy craftsmanship? You think they spent billions in 1960's money to build that kind of crap? You think anyone in their right mind would be willing to go in outer space in something that looks like some kids glued together in the garage? Sure in 1969 this looked pretty cool but in today's world it looks totally fake. Gaps in the paneling?? WTF it would have been one piece they spared no expense right?

[Son-of-Liberty]

Also those directional thrusters look like cones glued on. The one thruster you can see into on the right side of the lander has no indication of having been used and the blast shield under the one pointing down just below it also has no indication that heat or flames hit it, looks clean to me. the cones looked like they were machined on a lathe. Something pretty much anyone could do. In fact you could build an exact replica identical to the eye with simple tools.

[MAGNES]

Hahaha, oops!

(@ Magnes)




And in a twist of irony, the racists on this forum are stuck between choosing to defend transgender homosexuality or accusing blacks of racially motivated violence

[Libertarian_Guard]

I'm still not entirely convinced of the existence of the "moon". So I can't say whether or not man has traveled to a place that may or may not exist.



Possibly the zioinists have been projecting such an image against the night sky as a way of distracting our attention away from the atrocities in Palestine.

[Large Sarge]

what was the real purpose behind the "moon landings"?

make work program? high tech welfare?


Govt black hole to hide funds ?

other?

[iOWNme]

I would like to clarify as Gonzo did:

There seems to be 2 groups of people, 1 group claims we never went, the other group claims the video and photos they gave us are fake.

Group 2 has a lot of very smart, educated, scientists who specialize in many different fields. Group 1 has some of those people, but more of the 'hardcore' conspiracy theorists.


Check out this pic from NASA's own site:

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-44-6668HR.jpg

Really?


Watch 1:55 - 2:05 repeatedly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcpMdvu2MWw

One of the best books IMO on the subject
NASA Mooned America (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.coffinman.co.uk%2FRene%2520-%2520NASA%2520Mooned%2520America%2520%28major%2520 expose%2520of%2520fake%2520Apollo%2520Moon%2520lan dings%29%2520%281994%29.pdf&rct=j&q=Nasa%20mooned%20America%20by%20Ralph%20Rene%20pd f&ei=0RSyTfymE6fu0gGvlLGXAg&usg=AFQjCNEELZoDpJqJBiA6FSI3sSNwSpXFxQ) By Ralph Rene

[Son-of-Liberty]

Also there is no sense to why different wrapping materials were used in certain places. Silver aluminum foil wrapped where the directional thrusters are located except on the top where the wrapping is what appears to be the tar paper you use as vapor barrier on the outside of a house. So you need silver in one area to deflect the heat but black in another with the same type of thruster?? That doesn't make any fucking sense. then in other areas you have more black paper wrapped around the joints of the support tubes but the tubes are OK to be left plain? You have to protect the joints of the tubes but there are fucking gaps in the paneling on the side of the lander??? Then you have aluminum foil coming out from the bottom of the left and right sides of the main panel? Why? Right where it comes out there are gaps that space dust kicked up from the main thruster could get into but you need some sort of protection from aluminum foil in these areas for some reason??


http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Earth_over_Apollo_11_Lunar_Module.jpg/119px-Earth_over_Apollo_11_Lunar_Module.jpg

[Large Sarge]

I would like to clarify as Gonzo did:

There seems to be 2 groups of people, 1 group claims we never went, the other group claims the video and photos they gave us are fake.

Group 2 has a lot of very smart, educated, scientists who specialize in many different fields. Group 1 has some of those people, but more of the 'hardcore' conspiracy theorists.


Check out this pic from NASA's own site:

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-44-6668HR.jpg

Really?


Watch 1:55 - 2:05 repeatedly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcpMdvu2MWw

One of the best books IMO on the subject
NASA Mooned America (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.coffinman.co.uk%2FRene%2520-%2520NASA%2520Mooned%2520America%2520(major%2520ex pose%2520of%2520fake%2520Apollo%2520Moon%2520landi ngs)%2520(1994).pdf&rct=j&q=Nasa%20mooned%20America%20by%20Ralph%20Rene%20pd f&ei=0RSyTfymE6fu0gGvlLGXAg&usg=AFQjCNEELZoDpJqJBiA6FSI3sSNwSpXFxQ) By Ralph Rene


getting a camera to the moon safely, is entirely different than getting a man there

btw,

reportedly all the moon astronauts were 33rd degree masons (they know how to keep secret me guesses)

[Large Sarge]

http://freemasonsfordummies.blogspot.com/2009/07/apollo-11-freemasons-and-moon.html

[jbeck57143]

This website is very interesting:
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/index.html


One of the arguments the author, David McGowan, makes for why the mooon landing didn't happen is:
(from http://davesweb.cnchost.com/Apollo1.html )

"Consider this peculiar fact: in order to reach the surface of the Moon from the surface of the Earth, the Apollo astronauts would have had to travel a minimum of 234,000 miles*. Since the last Apollo flight allegedly returned from the Moon in 1972, the furthest that any astronaut from any country has traveled from the surface of the Earth is about 400 miles. And very few have even gone that far. The primary components of the current U.S. space program – the space shuttles, the space station, and the Hubble Telescope – operate at an orbiting altitude of about 200 miles.

(*NASA gives the distance from the center of Earth to the center of the Moon as 239,000 miles. Since the Earth has a radius of about 4,000 miles and the Moon’s radius is roughly 1,000 miles, that leaves a surface-to-surface distance of 234,000 miles. The total distance traveled during the alleged missions, including Earth and Moon orbits, ranged from 622,268 miles for Apollo 13 to 1,484,934 miles for Apollo 17. All on a single tank of gas.)

To briefly recap then, in the twenty-first century, utilizing the most cutting-edge modern technology, the best manned spaceship the U.S. can build will only reach an altitude of 200 miles. But in the 1960s, we built a half-dozen of them that flew almost 1,200 times further into space. And then flew back. And they were able to do that despite the fact that the Saturn V rockets that powered the Apollo flights weighed in at a paltry 3,000 tons, about .004% of the size that the principal designer of those very same Saturn rockets had previously said would be required to actually get to the Moon and back (primarily due to the unfathomably large load of fuel that would be required).

To put that into more Earthly terms, U.S. astronauts today travel no further into space than the distance between the San Fernando Valley and Fresno. The Apollo astronauts, on the other hand, traveled a distance equivalent to circumnavigating the planet around the equator nine-and-a-half times! And they did it with roughly the same amount of fuel that it now takes to make that 200 mile journey, which is why I want NASA to build my next car for me. I figure I’ll only have to fill up the tank once and it should last me for the rest of my life."

[Neuro]

Not sure how to embed the picture but here is the link.

http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Earth_over_Apollo_11_Lunar_Module.jpg/119px-Earth_over_Apollo_11_Lunar_Module.jpg

Notice the shoddy craftsmanship? You think they spent billions in 1960's money to build that kind of crap? You think anyone in their right mind would be willing to go in outer space in something that looks like some kids glued together in the garage? Sure in 1969 this looked pretty cool but in today's world it looks totally fake. Gaps in the paneling?? WTF it would have been one piece they spared no expense right?
http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Earth_over_Apollo_11_Lunar_Module.jpg/119px-Earth_over_Apollo_11_Lunar_Module.jpg
It looks like a high school science project!

[Neuro]

Where is the pics of the landing sites, taken by later lunar satellites? These would orbit the moon at way lower altitude, than the satellites providing google earth images (which really are not at the limit of technology), they should be able to zoom in and give high resolution images of the landing sites! Is there any reason that they have not done this?

[PatColo]

what was the real purpose behind the "moon landings"?

make work program? high tech welfare?


Govt black hole to hide funds ?

other?




This question dogs me too, IE a hoax that big would surely have an agenda of similarly scale; like 911 to trick the US/World into fearing scary moozlemists, enabling hot wars for blood-profit, genocide & oil, and the rollout an of otherwise unacceptable police state apparatus across the West, & to "reshape society" around said agendas.

Not so grand or obvious with Apollo, where we could guess the agenda was mainly to stoke a "USA #1" domestic & global PR gambit, and to open the flood gates to public funding for NASA (as "Capricorn One (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077294/)" suggested). But Apollo would've needed full complicity from MSM, mil, USSR keeping quiet, etc who's self-interest in these seemingly narrow agendas is unclear.

[keehah]

But Apollo would've needed full complicity from MSM, mil, USSR keeping quiet, etc who's self-interest in these seemingly narrow agendas is unclear.

Just like 9/11 eh Pat? ;D

A handful of world leaders do speak out on 9/11. They are all on Washington's to bomb list.

Why would the Masonic organization running the show at the time fake it?
For reasons of all of the above and that a record of thousands and thousands of years of psychopathic rule has centred on myths of controlling the forces of the sun and moon with tithe from the masses.

What a better way to show control over the moon than fly over to it and dick stab it and drive over it!

I'm quite serious in suggesting that a few hundred years from now the Masonic tale of NASA Men to the Moon will dwarf Solomon's Temple in impressing future sheeple and initiates.

[Awoke]

Not sure how to embed the picture but here is the link.

http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Earth_over_Apollo_11_Lunar_Module.jpg/119px-Earth_over_Apollo_11_Lunar_Module.jpg

Notice the shoddy craftsmanship? You think they spent billions in 1960's money to build that kind of crap? You think anyone in their right mind would be willing to go in outer space in something that looks like some kids glued together in the garage? Sure in 1969 this looked pretty cool but in today's world it looks totally fake. Gaps in the paneling?? WTF it would have been one piece they spared no expense right?



Hahaha! Looking closely at that, I think it would be ripped apart if you had it on a flatbed trailer and drove down the highway at 90 miles an hour!

I'm surprised no one has posted the pics of the moon and the same photos in color of the nevada desert. I couldn't find them, but they're out there. Exactly the same. There is also that video where they are filming the astronaut stepping down off the ladder onto the moon and the lighting clllapses in the studio and hits the guy in the head, but that could have been staged for fun.

[iOWNme]

Watch 1:55 - 2:05 repeatedly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcpMdvu2MWw


I don't get it it, what am I looking or listening for?


At 1:59-2:00 there is a big reflection off of the craft. The light from the the reflection shows what appear to be wires hanging to the left around the capsule. This is just 1 of many

You said you do video editing, what do you think?

Here is another:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE&feature=related

Again, I seriously question the photos and video footage NASA has released.

[Large Sarge]

one of those sites has an interesting tidbit, the amount of computer power we needed to make it to the moon (in the landers)

would now fit on your wrist, a wristwatch has more computer power than what we could fit on a lunar lander

but we are still not going back until 2025

by then I guess the same amount of computer power will fit in a single strand of hair....

[ShortJohnSilver]

RE the point about traveling 234K miles - isn't the weak link in his argument that once escape velocity is reached and you are in space, you are less affected by gravity, which is what requires all the fuel?

[iOWNme]

http://freemasonsfordummies.blogspot.com/2009/07/apollo-11-freemasons-and-moon.html

Been looking into this stuff again......Just out of curiosity of course. :)

LS, where the heck did you find that website? Holy hell. I looked into the guy who runs it, an admitted 33rd degree Scottish Rite occultist. Then i went to his blog. WOW. Ive never seen so much blatant propaganda in my life. Pro Israel, ant-muslim, anti 9/11 truth, Holocaust deniers, etc, etc......Next thing i know im so deep in Masonry, im looking at pyramid aprons on Ebay. ;D


Back to this thread.

The info found here is interesting (as posted by another member):

http://davesweb.cnchost.com/Apollo1.html

A quote from Wernher von Braun:

“It is commonly believed that man will fly directly from the earth to the moon, but to do this, we would require a vehicle of such gigantic proportions that it would prove an economic impossibility. It would have to develop sufficient speed to penetrate the atmosphere and overcome the earth’s gravity and, having traveled all the way to the moon, it must still have enough fuel to land safely and make the return trip to earth. Furthermore, in order to give the expedition a margin of safety, we would not use one ship alone, but a minimum of three … each rocket ship would be taller than New York’s Empire State Building [almost ¼ mile high] and weigh about ten times the tonnage of the Queen Mary, or some 800,000 tons.” -Wernher von Braun, the father of the Apollo space program, writing in Conquest of the Moon (http://www.amazon.com/Conquest-Moon-Wernher-Von-Braun/dp/B0007DVW7A)

[Shami-Amourae]

I like to say I don't know. I've seen a lot of the documentaries on it and have seen good evidence it was faked, but I also have the fact that my grandfather was one of the top scientists who worked in the Apollo program and was integral in designing the rockets themselves. I do also understand the concept of compartmentalization, but my grandfather was a firm believer, though maybe since he didn't want his work to be in vain...

I don't know. I really don't know. I trust nothing the government says, so that means I lean towards it being a hoax, but it's still possible, just all the evidence makes it look unplausible.


Oh I did ask him about him about aliens one time and he told me it's all bullshit, there's no way they can't travel that far in a reasonable amount of time. All the "UFOs" are high level secret military craft.

[Ponce]

No Moon dust on the lander.....three different shadows going different ways.....and I saw "Scorpion One".

[Shami-Amourae]

By the way I wanted to point out a fake documentary some Frenchies put out:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ayzsj5oIUco


If you watch this documentary blindly, and tend to distrust the government, it's meant to show you "compelling" evidence that the moon landing was faked. It even has people like Donald Rumsfeld and Henry Kissinger on record telling you the moon landing was faked. The documentary itself is a trap, meant to expose people in the "conspiracy" community into believe any bullshit they see since at the end of the documentary people like Rumsfeld and Kissinger reveal that they were reading off a script and it was all just a big joke. It's a fake documentary trying to discredit people who believe the moon landing was a hoax, while looking real the whole time.

A lot of the conspiracy community has ate this documentary up blindly, not realizing its a fake in itself and is designed to make them look bad. Just saying.

[General of Darkness]

To be honest, I don't think we did. I think it was all faked, it went to perfectly, I think it was a way to give the Russians the middle finger and send them a political message during the cold war. At the same time we're loosing the Vietnam war, which we had no intention of winning, and on and on and on. Ever since the jews got control of printing money it's always been distraction after distraction.

Has there been anything that benefited mankind or even Amerikwans from going to the moon? Other than saying we're number one, we're number one. Rah rah bullshit?

One a side note. If the jews hadn't pushed the introduction of civil rights, which never benefited the builders of the Kwa, and opening the flood gates for low IQ illegals, we wouldn't have a parasite group of people that suck the coffers dry. We'd have been colonizing Mars by now.

I'm in a bad mood, and everywhere I look, all the ills of this fucking country of ours is caused by the jew, and his crypto jew lacks that will suck on their financial tit and forsake the nation they came from. It's pisses me off because I can't understand that behavior, I don't treat people like I wouldn't be treated. Just a bunch of evil fuckers, hopefully I'll be around when they all get their comeuppance.

[Glass]

No Moon dust on the lander.....three different shadows going different ways.....and I saw "Scorpion One".

I wonder if that was supposed to be Capricorn One (http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=capricorn%20one&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CEYQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0077294% 2F&ei=nGcjT8nbFoOUiQfCn5C1AQ&usg=AFQjCNH0L1_gXwkZlHFyGOdIdbjMbMUdGA&cad=rja), Which I also saw perhaps 50 or 60 times. If I could only remember the joke. Oh well.

[osoab]

the following thread and vid should be added to this thread.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?57055-Kubrick-s-Odyssey-Secrets-Hidden-in-the-Films-of-Stanley-Kubrick&highlight=kubrick+shining

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5575793/Stanley.Kubrick-A.Life.In.Pictures%5B2001%5DDVDRip-JohnnyDavidson

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Osoab, lemme throw in these two threads since they are related

Ever seen a photo of the dark side of the moon? http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?40481-Lunar-Orbiter-Four-and-the-far-side-of-the-Moon.&

Astronauts and Presidents speak on Extraterrestrials:
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?57396-Govt-memorandum-on-extraterrestials-compiled-in-one-thread.

That being said, I post this stuff to be provocative. I honestly do not know the answer.

[StreetsOfGold]

The only evidence you need that they did not get there and never will is found in the Bible

Psalms 115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

Not the moon. Notice he doesn't mention the Nephelim, just men.

[keehah]

Long ago and far away.

[PatColo]

Funny host in this one. Topics are much broader than moon hoax. 1h 40m:


Daniel Ott Interviews David McGowan 02/14/2015 (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2015/02/daniel-ott-interviews-david-mcgowan.html)

http://www.theedgeam.com/Studio/pics/daniel.three.jpg

(http://www.theedgeam.com/Studio/pics/daniel.three.jpg)

David McGowan will discuss his research concerning the fake Moon landings. David was born and raised in Torrance, California and graduated from UCLA with a degree in psychology. As it turns out, NASA doesn’t actually have all of that Moonwalking footage anymore. Truth be told, they don’t have any of it. According to the agency, all the tapes were lost back in the late 1970s. All 700 cartons of them. As Reuters reported on August 15, 2006, “The U.S. government has misplaced the original recording of the first moon landing, including astronaut Neil Armstrong’s famous ‘one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind’..."
Note: Parts of this interview are actually very funny and show just how ludicrous and unrealistic NASA's official story is.

Download MP3

(http://www.theedgeam.com/interviews/Dave_McGowan_02.14.15.mp3)

Posted by Scorpio (http://www.blogger.com/profile/13465540813262346914) at 5:12 PM 1 comment: (http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5440450620561193447&postID=6985155213727821476)

[expat4ever]

There's no way it was faked. The amount of people involved to fake this would have been way to many. It would have actually been harder to fake it than just go. By now there would have been death bed confessions and shit too.
Look at Clinton for an example of people keeping a secret. there were 3 people who were involved in his BJ incident and that couldnt be kept a secret. Thousands were involved in getting us to the moon and noone has come forward to say we faked it. This one just became a massive CT.

[Shami-Amourae]

Funny host in this one. Topics are much broader than moon hoax. 1h 40m:


Daniel Ott Interviews David McGowan 02/14/2015 (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2015/02/daniel-ott-interviews-david-mcgowan.html)

I listened to the whole thing. The guy is an stoner. I'm sorry, but I don't take stoners seriously.

I'm still mixed on the moon thing. I don't know if it happened or not, but I really wish humans were colonizing the Moon, Mars, and Europa (especially Europa.)

Even though I hate Bill Nye he's spot on here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upRqAaCEEhw

[singular_me]

dont think so, technology from back then looks too cartoonish

[expat4ever]

Shami in April we will arrives at Ceres. Ceres has the 2nd largest body of water in the solar system (Assuming they are correct) .
Neil Degrass Tyson discusses the moon hoax in this podcast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qoa2jU1NVI

[Shami-Amourae]

Neil Degrass Tyson discusses the moon hoax in this podcast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qoa2jU1NVI

Oh jeez, I'll check it out. Can't resist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVsAcwWTOsU


Ceres definitely is interesting too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBR0sRqy7wM

Exciting stuff!
:)

[PatColo]

There's no way it was faked. The amount of people involved to fake this would have been way to many. It would have actually been harder to fake it than just go. By now there would have been death bed confessions and shit too.
Look at Clinton for an example of people keeping a secret. there were 3 people who were involved in his BJ incident and that couldnt be kept a secret. Thousands were involved in getting us to the moon and noone has come forward to say we faked it. This one just became a massive CT.


Ah yes, the crusty old "too many people... someone would have talked! (http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_20.htm)" argument seeking to re-bunk the notion that large conspiracies can't exist...:rolleyes:

expat4ever: What's your take on 9/11, Official CT vs alternative CT's? (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?23130-The-quot-Israel-did-9-11-quot-Thread)


9/11: The Official Conspiracy Theory (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98


Shut Up, Conspiracy Theorist!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jyY6rqP_3Q)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jyY6rqP_3Q

[PatColo]

Houston Chronicle by way of Reuters:


NASA can't find Kubrick's original moon landing tape (http://www.chron.com/news/nation-world/article/NASA-can-t-find-original-moon-landing-tape-1895682.php)


Reuters News Service | August 14, 2006




Comments (http://www.chron.com/news/nation-world/article/NASA-can-t-find-original-moon-landing-tape-1895682.php#comments)



WASHINGTON -- The U.S. government has misplaced the original recording of the first moon landing, including astronaut Neil Armstrong's (http://www.chron.com/search/?action=search&channel=news%2Fnation-world&inlineLink=1&searchindex=gsa&query=%22Armstrong%27s%22) famous "one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind," a NASA spokesman said today.


Armstrong's famous space walk, seen by millions of viewers on July 20, 1969, is among transmissions that NASA has failed to turn up in a year of searching, spokesman Grey Hautaloma (http://www.chron.com/search/?action=search&channel=news%2Fnation-world&inlineLink=1&searchindex=gsa&query=%22Grey+Hautaloma%22) said.


"We haven't seen them for quite a while. We've been looking for over a year and they haven't turned up," Hautaloma said.


The tapes also contain data about the health of the astronauts and the condition of the spacecraft. In all, some 700 boxes of transmissions from the Apollo lunar missions are missing, he said.


"I wouldn't say we're worried -- we've got all the data. Everything on the tapes we have in one form or another," Hautaloma said.


NASA has retained copies of the television broadcasts and offers several clips on its Web site.


But those images are of lower quality than the originals stored on the missing magnetic tapes.


Because NASA's equipment was not compatible with TV technology of the day, the original transmissions had to be displayed on a monitor and re-shot by a TV camera for broadcast.


Hautaloma said it is possible the tapes will be unplayable even if they are found, because they have degraded significantly over the years -- a problem common to magnetic tape and other types of recordable media.


The material was held by the National Archives (http://www.chron.com/search/?action=search&channel=news%2Fnation-world&inlineLink=1&searchindex=gsa&query=%22National+Archives%22) but returned to NASA sometime in the late 1970s, he said.


"We're looking for paperwork to see where they last were," he said.


http://www.chron.com/news/nation-world/article/NASA-can-t-find-original-moon-landing-tape-1895682.php

[PatColo]

Bill Cooper's take, 45 mins, still listening:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mrhO6TCuF4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mrhO6TCuF4

[mick silver]

do what we have not been to the moon

[expat4ever]

My take on 9/11 is I dont buy the official story. I served in the military for 4 years so have a clue as to what our defense capabilities are.
My best guess is the MIC had AQ do this and probably paid them very well for the deed. We supported them for 10 years in Afghanistan against the USSR so they were already in our pocket. So many things have changed since then and its not by accident.

During the moon landing how many other countries had the capabilities to monitor our transmissions? Not one has come out and said they werent real.

[Dogman]

Beware of skeptics that wear gay glasses.

;)

I believe they did, grandfather and I set up a directional antenna (beam) pointed at the moon and caught some of the radio traffic at the time, As a kid I lived and breathed ham radio, (1st license at age 13) and also used the same kind of setup talking to many of the space shuttle missions back in the day, the shuttles all carried ham gear and licensed astronauts, have a bunch of QSL cards from those missions .

Using two axis of rotation mounted beams used to work amateur radio satellites!

Hard to fake using directional antenna radio reception!

;)

[steyr_m]

I'm going to go with no....

http://listverse.com/2012/12/28/10-reasons-the-moon-landings-could-be-a-hoax/

[steyr_m]

I may have posted this before. It is very technical but very good.

But, btw, no

http://www.aulis.com/stereoparallax.htm

[monty]

I have to go with no. The technonolgy simply did not exist.

Sent from my iPad using Forum Runner

[Neuro]

Beware of skeptics that wear gay glasses.

;)

I believe they did, grandfather and I set up a directional antenna (beam) pointed at the moon and caught some of the radio traffic at the time, As a kid I lived and breathed ham radio, (1st license at age 13) and also used the same kind of setup talking to many of the space shuttle missions back in the day, the shuttles all carried ham gear and licensed astronauts, have a bunch of QSL cards from those missions .

Using two axis of rotation mounted beams used to work amateur radio satellites!

Hard to fake using directional antenna radio reception!

;)
What did you hear?

[Dogman]

What did you hear?

Chatter all one way, them id'ng and such could not hear any ground transmissions, bunch of constant chatter talking to earth and between themselves!

Was using a homemade 6 element wire quad antenna iirc correctly. Aimed it by eyeballs and radio signal. It was a hoot made the local paper here on what we done the neighborhood was amazed!

Did the same for a few other missions, used to have audio tapes we made of the transmission's, not sure when at how they were lost.

The shuttle missions was a homebred a 12 element wire quad that I used to talk with them by voice and packet radio, and also for two meter long range DX'ing .

It happened, the antenna was like a rifle in reception and directionality!

[Neuro]

Chatter all one way, them id'ng and such could not hear any ground transmissions, bunch of constant chatter talking to earth and between themselves!

Was using a homemade 6 element wire quad antenna iirc correctly. Aimed it by eyeballs and radio signal. It was a hoot made the local paper here on what we done the neighborhood was amazed!

Did the same for a few other missions, used to have audio tapes we made of the transmission's, not sure when at how they were lost.

The shuttle missions was a homebred a 12 element wire quad that I used to talk with them by voice and packet radio, and also for two meter long range DX'ing .

It happened, the antenna was like a rifle in reception and directionality!
You could have overtaken Houston then?

[Dogman]

You could have overtaken Houston then?
No!

Just receiving the signals did not have a transmitter capable nor the license to use at their frequently, and even if capable would have not done so!

[osoab]

Bill Cooper's take, 45 mins, still listening:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mrhO6TCuF4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mrhO6TCuF4

Here's the mp3 from Hour of the Time (http://www.hourofthetime.com/wordpresstest/milton-william-bill-cooper-mp3-collection/) website. From February 24, 1995



556 (http://www.hourofthetime.com/bcmp3/556.mp3)
24-Feb-95 (http://www.hourofthetime.com/bcmp3/556.mp3)
Moongate 1/6 Gravity? (http://www.hourofthetime.com/bcmp3/556.mp3)

[osoab]

Just came across this. Dave McGowan is the guy who did the Inside the LC. That part is now blocked on his site "Dave's Web (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/)". He is trying to sell his LC book. You can still find it on the wayback machine.


Dave McGowan blows the Apollo lies to shreds with simple logic
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdeplQFbDBs)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdeplQFbDBs


Looks like he started covering the Apollo landing before the LC stuff.


Wagging the Moondoggie, Part I
October 1, 2009 (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/Apollo1.html)
(http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/Apollo1.html)

[PatColo]

My take on 9/11 is I dont buy the official story. I served in the military for 4 years so have a clue as to what our defense capabilities are.
My best guess is the MIC had AQ do this and probably paid them very well for the deed. We supported them for 10 years in Afghanistan against the USSR so they were already in our pocket. So many things have changed since then and its not by accident.


IOW, 'Limited Hangout LIHOP, scary moozlemists ultimately did the deed though.'

Nope, Israel & US loyalists did the deed, top to bottom (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?23130-The-quot-Israel-did-9-11-quot-Thread/page6). You really think they'd trust some scary moozlemists to successfully hijack all the planes and fly them into their intended targets? Puuuleeeez. :rolleyes:

Separately,

Fetzer's radio blog posted this,, 1st hour is audio from FOX's 2001 "Did We Land On The Moon?" docu; and 2nd hour is a past interview with D. McGowan 'splaing his moon work in relation to Kubrick. So both hours aren't "new", but you might also have a look at the comments, which are current.




Monday, February 9, 2015

Did We Land On The Moon? (MP3 here) (http://s37.podbean.com/pb/ddfd88388b7ffca54b2632ed47cbf449/54e4b1ae/data1/blogs60/722245/uploads/TheRealDealep16mp3.mp3)

The program begins with "Conspiracy Theory: Did we land on the moon?" (2001), which may be the most important contribution that FOX NEWS has ever made to understanding the history of our nation. To get a better grip on how we were deceived, check out the references cited below, where the second hour is a discussion with Jay Weidner about how it was filmed by Stanley Kurbick using "front screen projection". This one is not for the faint of heart who want to believe in their government. Enjoy the show! References: Winston Wu, "Conspiracy Trilogy Report: Apollo Moon Hoax, JFK Assassination and 9/11 Truth", http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Conspiracies.htm Jay Weidner, "Faking Moon Landings: The Parallax Experiments",http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/01/21/faking-the-moon-landings-the-parallax-experiments/ Jack White, "Jack White's Apollo Studies", http://www.aulis.com/jackstudies_index1.html


Posted by Jim Fetzer (http://www.blogger.com/profile/05539733121153973439) at 6:56 PM 34 comments: (http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com/2015/02/did-we-land-on-moon_13.html#comment-form)

[govcheetos]

What moon?

[osoab]

My take on 9/11 is I dont buy the official story. I served in the military for 4 years so have a clue as to what our defense capabilities are.
My best guess is the MIC had AQ do this and probably paid them very well for the deed. We supported them for 10 years in Afghanistan against the USSR so they were already in our pocket. So many things have changed since then and its not by accident.

During the moon landing how many other countries had the capabilities to monitor our transmissions? Not one has come out and said they werent real.

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