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Ponce
25th April 2011, 10:57 AM
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State Dept. wants to make it harder to get a passport.

by Edward Hasbrouck on April 22, 2011


If you don’t want it to get even harder for a U.S. citizen to get a passport — now required for travel even to Canada or Mexico — you only have until Monday to let the State Department know.

The U.S. Department of State is proposing a new Biographical Questionnaire for some passport applicants: The proposed new Form DS-5513 asks for all addresses since birth; lifetime employment history including employers’ and supervisors names, addresses, and telephone numbers; personal details of all siblings; mother’s address one year prior to your birth; any “religious ceremony” around the time of birth; and a variety of other information. According to the proposed form, “failure to provide the information requested may result in … the denial of your U.S. passport application.”

The State Department estimated that the average respondent would be able to compile all this information in just 45 minutes, which is obviously absurd given the amount of research that is likely to be required to even attempt to complete the form.

It seems likely that only some, not all, applicants will be required to fill out the new questionnaire, but no criteria have been made public for determining who will be subjected to these additional new written interrogatories. So if the passport examiner wants to deny your application, all they will have to do is give you the impossible new form to complete.

It’s not clear from the supporting statement, statement of legal authorities, or regulatory assessment submitted by the State Department to the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) why declining to discuss one’s siblings or to provide the phone number of your first supervisor when you were a teenager working at McDonalds would be a legitimate basis for denial of a passport to a U.S. citizen.

There’s more information in the Federal Register notice (also available here as a PDF) and from the Identity Project.

You can submit comments to the State Dept. online at Regulations.gov until midnight Eastern time on Monday, April 25, 2011. Go here, then click the “Submit a Comment” button at the upper right of the page. If that link doesn’t work for you, it’s probably a problem with the javascript used on the Regulations.gov website. There are alternate instructions for submitting comments by email here.

(Note that the proposed form itself was not published in the Federal Register. The Identity Project was eventually provided with a copy after requesting it from the Department of State, and posted it here.)

Here’s a draft of the comments (PDF) being submitted by the Consumer Travel Alliance and other consumer, privacy, and civil liberties groups and individuals, if you would like to use it for ideas for comments of your own. (It’s also available in OpenOffice format for easier editing.)

Extra points to the person who gives the best answer in the comments to the question on the proposed form, “Please describe the circumstances of your birth including the names (as well as address and phone number, if available) of persons present or in attendance at your birth.”

http://www.consumertraveler.com/today/state-dept-wants-to-make-it-harder-to-get-a-passport/

Down1
25th April 2011, 12:40 PM
State Dept. wants to make it harder to get a passport exit visa.
Gave the headline the proper title.

vacuum
25th April 2011, 12:52 PM
Holy sh*t. I definitely couldn't answer all that accurately. Time to get everyone passports NOW.

sirgonzo420
25th April 2011, 12:54 PM
A passport is an wartime document. I refuse to have one as I know of no war in which I have chosen sides.


What if you wanted to get from Iowa to Switzerland?

Would Switzerland let you in?

sirgonzo420
25th April 2011, 01:05 PM
A passport is an wartime document. I refuse to have one as I know of no war in which I have chosen sides.


What if you wanted to get from Iowa to Switzerland?

Would Switzerland let you in?




I would obtain an apostile on my travel documents from the Sec of State (of Iowa) for the country of Switzerland and any other countries I would need to travel through (cost $5 each). I would send a copy of my travel documents with a copy of the apostile to the embassy of the country/countries I would like to visit asking whether these documents are satisfactory or, if not, what they require. I would make it clear my intention would be to visit the land and Country of Switzerland, the sovereign entity rather than Switzerland, the corporate entity, that my intentions are peaceful and give the reason for the visit and duration, that I would not be intending any kind of permanent residency, and request a visa on those terms.

For sure I would not show up at the airport armed with nothing but my travel documents. I expect the airline people would have quite a laugh.


What do you mean by "travel documents".... a "drivers license"?

I'm just wondering how it would actually play out.

sirgonzo420
25th April 2011, 01:25 PM
What do you mean by "travel documents".... a "drivers license"?

I'm just wondering how it would actually play out.

The drivers license places one squarely in the federal plane. Have one of those and the passport will be required.

My long form documents are several hundred pages long ... cost a fortune to record. I have a small ID (Republic of Iowa) I carry with me most times. I also have another ID I call a travel document, like an ID only larger, a "Certificate of Identification" that requests safe passage on the ways of Iowa and in all international travel.


I didn't figure you were referring to a DL.... I misinterpreted the part of your post that says "my travel documents from the Sec of State (of Iowa)".

Care to give a brief synopsis of your "long form travel documents"?

Ponce
25th April 2011, 01:32 PM
Soon it will be "between" states.........

I wonder if Obama already has a passport for when he becomes a civilian?.....He'd better get it now....but, hummmmmmmmm he doesn't have a birth certificate.