White House releases Obama birth certificate

[Ares]

(CNN) – The White House released President Obama's original birth certificate Wednesday.

The surprise release follows recent and sustained remarks by businessman Donald Trump, among others, that raised doubts as to whether the president was born in the United States.

White House spokesman Jay Carney is expected to speak more about the birth certificate Wednesday morning.

In an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper Monday, Trump repeated his doubts and said he had been told the certificate was "missing."

A new CNN investigation revealed earlier this week what most analysts have been saying since the "birther" controversy erupted during the 2008 presidential campaign: Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.

While the president has made light of the controversy, the question remained political red meat for some of his critics. A recent CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll showed that nearly 75% of Americans believe Obama was definitely or probably born in the United States. More than four in 10 Republicans, however, believe he probably or definitely was not born in America.

The U.S. Constitution says only "natural born" citizens can become president - a vague clause that some members of the birther movement contend disqualifies Obama because, they insist, he was born outside the United States.

Skeptics contend, among other things, that Obama was born in his father's home country of Kenya.

Birth Certificate (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/04/27/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf)

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/27/white-house-releases-obama-birth-certificate/

[Ares]

Even with the Birth Certificate he still isn't a "Natural born" citizen as his mother was too young to pass on citizenship at the time. His father was old enough but he was a British National.

[Buddha]

All this BS over the birth certificate since he took office and before, and all it takes is Trump to say a few words. I might as well watch American Idol.

[midnight rambler]

The downside to this whole circus is that it obfuscates the real issue, that according to Vattel (whom the framers relied upon for guidance with respect to the intent of the Constitution) 0bunghole will NEVER pass as 'natural born' per Section 212 in Book I of Vattel's Law of Nations -


§ 212. Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel_01.htm

This is just more to undermine the Constitution until it is reduced to being a mere phantom - i.e. if the citizenry allows this shit to persist.

[Buddha]

You guys do realize however that this is all BS, right? Obama is just another tool that TPTB use to control us, it doesn't matter at all if he is "natural born" or not. The government is occupied by zionist luciferians, we have been fighting in constant wars for decades if not centuries, the dollar is crashing as all fiat currencies do, we are considered terrorists in our own country, all industries that actually produce anything have been taken away, and the list goes on!

I couldn't give a fuck less where Obama was born and neither would it make a bit of difference.

[midnight rambler]

I couldn't give a fuck less about the Law of the Land and neither would it make a bit of difference.


That's *really* what you mean...right?

[Ash_Williams]

Better 3 years later than never, I guess.

[Heimdhal]

Just some simple observations:

No water marks
No State seal
No notary signature
Fathers Race wrong designation (African vs Negro, which I what they used at that time, IIRC)


This wont end the debate in the least.

[BrewTech]

I couldn't give a fuck less about the Law of the Land and neither would it make a bit of difference.


That's *really* what you mean...right?


When the US government goes back to even PRETENDING to follow this "law of the land" of which you speak, I'll make some time to get my undies in a twist about the inconsequential details, such as where the current NWO spokeshole/dictator was born.

Distraction and wedge issue is all this is, and working perfectly from the looks of it.

[Ash_Williams]

This also qualifies as a big FU to all the people who were claiming hawaii didn't have long form certificates and so he couldn't have released it.

[Hermie]

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/barack-obama/birth-obama-certer-movement-098513

Questions from The Smoking Gun:

• If the original document was in a bound volume (as reflected by the curvature of the left hand side of the certificate), how can the green patterned background of the document's safety paper be so seamless?

• Why, if Obama was born on August 4, 1961, was the “Date Accepted by Local Reg.” four days later on August 8, 1961?

• What is the significance of the smudges in the box containing the name of the reported attendant in box 19a?

• In the “This Birth” box there are two mysterious Xs above “Twin” and “Triplet.” Is there a sibling or two unaccounted for?

• What is the significance of the mysterious numbers, seen vertically, on the document’s right side?

• Finally, the “Signature of Local Registrar” in box 21 may be a desperate attempt at establishing the document’s Hawaiian authenticity. Note to forgers, however, it is spelled “Ukulele.”

[sirgonzo420]

I thought "long-form" birth certificates have the doctor's name/signature on them, along with actual information about the baby (measurements, etc) including little baby footprints....


Birth certificate or not, Obama is still not a natural-born citizen, and never will be.

[Buddha]

When the US government goes back to even PRETENDING to follow this "law of the land" of which you speak, I'll make some time to get my undies in a twist about the inconsequential details, such as where the current NWO spokeshole/dictator was born.

Distraction and wedge issue is all this is, and working perfectly from the looks of it.


This.

[Low Pan]

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/barack-obama/birth-obama-certer-movement-098513

Questions from The Smoking Gun:

• If the original document was in a bound volume (as reflected by the curvature of the left hand side of the certificate), how can the green patterned background of the document's safety paper be so seamless?

• Why, if Obama was born on August 4, 1961, was the “Date Accepted by Local Reg.” four days later on August 8, 1961?

• What is the significance of the smudges in the box containing the name of the reported attendant in box 19a?

• In the “This Birth” box there are two mysterious Xs above “Twin” and “Triplet.” Is there a sibling or two unaccounted for?

• What is the significance of the mysterious numbers, seen vertically, on the document’s right side?

• Finally, the “Signature of Local Registrar” in box 21 may be a desperate attempt at establishing the document’s Hawaiian authenticity. Note to forgers, however, it is spelled “Ukulele.”



or the fact that it is a "Certified True COPY" which was "certified" APRIL 25TH, 2011....so 2 days ago, lmao

[mamboni]

Interesting observation: how was that little capital M produced on a mechanical typerwriter in 1961? (Where's Dan Rather?)

[Ares]

I hadn't caught that Mamboni, That does remind me of Dan Rather's "Bush MS Works Documents" of just a few years ago.

[keehah]

The White house was fine with all the mystery around his breeding documentation until multiple books start coming out that started with investigation of this but then found and reported on more interesting information about his family's long history honey potting and spooking with the CIA and foreign governments and possible foreign adoption which would make him ineligible for office even with a proper birth certificate.

And even if born in the US, with only one US parent, foreign father adoption, his mother needed to be in the US 5 years after age 14 was the governments rule at the time (she was 18) OR for the fact he had to renounce US citizenship to become and Indonesian citizen according to Indonesian rules that did not allow dual citizenship and/or required it for adoption Phil says.

http://www.businessinsider.com/birther-response-birth-certificate-doesnt-matter-because-obama-is-an-illegal-alien-2011-4

And why would Obama spend millions to seal up and not provide the information required by congress to be president of the US, and has provided less information than I am required to to get a provincial driver's license?


'Its much like going after Clinton for sex rather than for releasing missile secrets to China.'

But is it easier to blackmail a president for his eligibility for office or wandering cigars?

[ShortJohnSilver]

Interesting observation: how was that little capital M produced on a mechanical typerwriter in 1961? (Where's Dan Rather?)


My guess: it is probably part of the form, as AM and PM are the only choices. Just like some old paper forms that were done in the 70s and 80s will say 19__ .

Note: this is the Certificate of Live Birth, not the full-on birth certificate.

It has been confirmed however, Obama is a Keynesian!

[Cobalt]

Any one of us could probably find a quality forger if we looked around, you guys don't think the administration has access to some of the best in the world?

[Ares]

Any one of us could probably find a quality forger if we looked around, you guys don't think the administration has access to some of the best in the world?


The real question is, does it match up with the state archives? Those would be on Microfiche.

[mamboni]

Below are two Ann Dunham signatures. The one above is from her 1968 passport application. The one below is from the purported 1961 Barack Obama BC. Any handwriting experts here?

[goldleaf]

Throw his ass out and put Biden in! ;D ::)

[sirgonzo420]

Throw his ass out and put Biden in! ;D ::)



That would be a hoot.

Maybe Biden would tell us who *really* killed Kennedy.

[Ash_Williams]

Questions from The Smoking Gun:

• If the original document was in a bound volume (as reflected by the curvature of the left hand side of the certificate), how can the green patterned background of the document's safety paper be so seamless?

It's a copy printed on the special paper, not a copy of the special paper. See here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate


• Why, if Obama was born on August 4, 1961, was the “Date Accepted by Local Reg.” four days later on August 8, 1961?

If you look at a real one it's clear the they date they register isn't always the birth date... this guy crossed out his birthdate but left the other date on there.

http://www.greatdreams.com/2008/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg


• What is the significance of the smudges in the box containing the name of the reported attendant in box 19a?

A smudge?


• In the “This Birth” box there are two mysterious Xs above “Twin” and “Triplet.” Is there a sibling or two unaccounted for?

Those exist on the other guy's certificate too. I don't know what they could be. Seem to be handwritten markings.


• What is the significance of the mysterious numbers, seen vertically, on the document’s right side?

More handwritten markings. They're on the other guy's cert too.

As for the P.M. The M is part of the form, they just type the A or P.

[willie pete]

IF this is all it is, WHY stall and wait to release it for 2 1/2 years?

[chad]

IF this is all it is, WHY stall and wait to release it for 2 1/2 years?


because of the first fed press conference in 97 years. the bernank and little timmy are going to announce that they, along with wall street, have no choice but to turn everyone's life savings in to confetti.

[Buddha]

Throw his ass out and put Biden in! ;D ::)



That would be a hoot.

Maybe Biden would tell us who *really* killed Kennedy.



Jackie, and here I though this was an enlightened forum...

[mamboni]

Throw his ass out and put Biden in! ;D ::)



That would be a hoot.

Maybe Biden would tell us who *really* killed Kennedy.



Jackie, and here I though this was an enlightened forum...


If you bring up an ice cream truck then we'll know that you're just trying to stir it up. ;D

[Ponce]

There was no need to keep his birth certifcate away from us for 2.5 years and after spending about 2.5 millions dollars to do so.........I for one don't buy it.

[mamboni]

There was no need to keep his birth certifcate away from us for 2.5 years and after spending about 2.5 millions dollars to do so.........I for one don't buy it.


Excellent point Ponce, excellent point.

[horseshoe3]

IF this is all it is, WHY stall and wait to release it for 2 1/2 years?


To give the appearance of a coverup, draw in as many doubters as possible, and then produce the document and make his opponents look like fools.

[midnight rambler]

IF this is all it is, WHY stall and wait to release it for 2 1/2 years?


To give the appearance of a coverup, draw in as many doubters as possible, and then produce the document and make his opponents look like fools.


While obfuscating the underlying issue, i.e. "What is the definition of 'natural born citizen' as intended by the framers - what was the definition they were using?"

[horseshoe3]

IF this is all it is, WHY stall and wait to release it for 2 1/2 years?


To give the appearance of a coverup, draw in as many doubters as possible, and then produce the document and make his opponents look like fools.


While obfuscating the underlying issue, i.e. "What is the definition of 'natural born citizen' as intended by the framers - what was the definition they were using?"


Agree. Because now that the birthers have been "proven wrong" about the BC, all their other arguments will seem less valid.

[sirgonzo420]

IF this is all it is, WHY stall and wait to release it for 2 1/2 years?
To make sure the forgery wasn't botched. The Zapruder film was withheld for over 10 years, and there are still blatant, visible edits.


Yeah, but the Zapruder film is video whereas the birth certificate is one lousy document.

[ximmy]

something is wrong with this picture birth certificate

[iOWNme]

Was the term 'African' used as a race in 1961? I believe they used 'Negro' or 'Black'.......I could be wrong though.

[Ares]

Was the term 'African' used as a race in 1961? I believe they used 'Negro' or 'Black'.......I could be wrong though.


It was "Negro" or "Colored" in the early 1960's I believe. I don't think that definition changed until the civil rights movement came on the scene.

[jimswift]

I thought he was born as Barry not Barack and he changed his name later in life?

[Ares]

I thought he was born as Barry not Barack and he changed his name later in life?


He was born Barack, but changed it to Barry Soetoro when his mom moved to Indonesia. That was the last "legal change", and why a lot of people refer to him as "Barry". Because he never legally changed it back.

[osoab]

Denninger has come up with some good issues on the BC. Basically, when you put the document into Windows Illustrator, there are multiple layers in the document. The site is slow, he is being hammered with traffic.

You've GOT To Be Kidding Me (Birth Certificate) (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=185094)

[osoab]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgVIei87oFo&feature=player_embedded

[Spectrism]

I'm surprised they would be so stupid to release a digital document that they layered into existence. That is fraud with a stupidity fringe around the edges.

If they even had half a brain they would have printed it out and scanned it ... but then they would be busted for not having a typed original. They have no original. The liar comes from lies.

[vacuum]

IF this is all it is, WHY stall and wait to release it for 2 1/2 years?

To sabotage the release of Corsi's book. The book makes no mention of the new birth certificate, no research on it, etc. In the eyes of most, this will make the book a completely moot point. For example, you tell someone about the book, and they'll just say "But he just released the long-form birth certificate. What does your book say about that?" Nothing. By the time he releases a second edition or second book, the entire book will already be old news.

[Low Pan]

wow, that guy made a good catch on the registar date being fudged with. the online copy was blurred but when he magnified it is clear as day.

[osoab]

A little more from Denninger.

Oh C'mon #2 - AP Is Involved? (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=185101)

Tickerforum has also been pointing out the name of the hospital. The name on Barry's doesn't match one from some twins that were born 4 days after his supposed birth.

[JohnQPublic]

This is a very interesting development. It does not change my original assesment much (http://joesixpack.me/second_letter.html), except now he claims to have released his long form BC:

A number of cases, some even reaching the Supreme Court have alleged that Barack Obama is not constitutionally eligible to hold the position of president. The contentions are that he does not meet the constitutional requirements for presidential elgibility due to his not being a "natural born citizen". Joe Six-Pack believes that there is enough question around the issue that the Supreme Court should review it. If the Supreme Court is able to show the arguments against his eligiblity are false, then so be it. So far the Supreme court has refued to hear the Donofrio case, and the Wrotnowski case. The Supreme Court gave no indication as to the merits, or lack thereof for the cases, but rather they chose not to hear it (without comment). Interestingly, the Supreme Court will review the Berg case on January 9th (one day after congressional certification), and January 16th. A brief review of some of the contentions (combined from all the cases):

1. It is alleged that since Barack Obama was born a dual citizen of the United States and the UK, he does not meet the extraordinary citizenship requirement of the the constitution to be classified as a "natural born citizen". Obama admits to his dual citizenship status.

Joe-Six-Pack comments: The plain meaning of the words "natural born citizen" are simply interpreted as a citizen who was born within the United States. The complication appears to be that nowhere does any explicit law define "natural born citizen". To the fathers of our country who wrote the constitution, the meaning likely came from Comon Law and/or The Law of Nations. These would indicate that a "natural born citizen" is a citizen born in the US to parents (and possibly at least a father) who are also citizens. I suspect the Supreme Court could use the 19th amendment (and other laws granting full rights to women) to interpret the Father being a citizen, to also pertain to the mother, based on legal status changes of women in the 20th century. On the other hand, the dual citizenship issue does not go away. It is contended that the fathers of the constitution intended that those born dual citizens not be allowed to be president.

2. It is alleged that Barack Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Indonesia (it is not clear how direct the proof is), that Barack's mother effectively surrendered her son's US citizenship. Barack Obama, it is contended, was a citizen of Indonesia. It is pointed out that Indonesian law in effect when Obama attended public school there did not permit non-citizens to attend public schools. There is also a contention that Barack Obama may have travelled to Pakistan on a foreign passport (likely Indonesian or UK); though no direct proof of this exists.

Joe-Six-Pack comments: This appears to be the most powerful issue. If Obama had given up his US citizenship (even as a minor, or against his later desire), He may been a natural born citizen, but now would have to be considered a naturalized citizen.

3. Some of the cases (i.e., Berg) contend that Obama was born in Kenya.
Joe-Six-Pack comments: This seems the least likely possibilty, but by not presenting his original Certification of Live Birth showing the hospital of birth, the doctor's name, withnesses, etc., the question remains open.
Initially, Joe Six-Pack thought, hey, this is just stubborn people and meanness. But upon further investigation, it is clear that there are valid questions. Also, the meanness question is partially reversed by the fact that some of those bringing the case are themselves Democrats, and the fact that the cases name not only Obama, but also John McCain (born in Panama). Also the Socialist Workers Party candidate Roger Calero (born in Nicaragua and a naturalized citizen) was named. It is also interesting that Calero was removed from the ballot in some states, but not others (I believe 5/10 where he qualified removed him). This indicates that a few Secretary's of State acted with due diligence in the case of Calero, but others did not. All in all, this is not an exercise in meanness, but rather a protection fo the constitution.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Again, you don't need a birth certificate at all to be the CEO of the US.Gov.Incorporated


Does anyone here really think they're trying to fulfill the original jurisdiction presidency?

[sirgonzo420]

Again, you don't need a birth certificate at all to be the CEO of the US.Gov.Incorporated


Does anyone here really think they're trying to fulfill the original jurisdiction presidency?


No, but they are trying to *look like* they're trying to fulfill the original jurisdiction presidency.

[Spectrism]

Again, you don't need a birth certificate at all to be the CEO of the US.Gov.Incorporated


Does anyone here really think they're trying to fulfill the original jurisdiction presidency?


No, but they are trying to *look like* they're trying to fulfill the original jurisdiction presidency.


Exactly. And since they entered the arena by using fraud, they are toast. It is like filing a tax form 1040.... they don't nail you on tax evasion... but perjury. Also, they are playing along that the constitutional requirement is valid.

[ximmy]

White House releases Obama birth certificate... again... ::)

[Ash_Williams]

I opened the PDF. It does have layers.

I can't think of any legit reason for this

The two "AUG-8 196" are layers. The "NON" in NONE is a layer

Aside from those, most of the text on the form is one layer with a white background

The other major layer has the green background and the form gridlines. It also includes the 3 signatures at the bottom and some random letters. This is the part that makes no sense to me... I don't know why any software would save it this way. No legit reason I can think of for this to be like this.

It also doesn't add up with the easiest way to forge this, though. I find it confusing.

[madfranks]

I'm surprised they would be so stupid to release a digital document that they layered into existence. That is fraud with a stupidity fringe around the edges. HOO LEE $Hi%, you're RIGHT!

Someone just got megafired.




I opened the PDF. It does have layers.

I can't think of any legit reason for this

The two "AUG-8 196" are layers. The "NON" in NONE is a layer

Aside from those, most of the text on the form is one layer with a white background

The other major layer has the green background and the form gridlines. It also includes the 3 signatures at the bottom and some random letters. This is the part that makes no sense to me... I don't know why any software would save it this way. No legit reason I can think of for this to be like this.

It also doesn't add up with the easiest way to forge this, though. I find it confusing.


Maybe the guy who was photoshopping the certificate was actually a double agent, who did this on purpose because he knew it would be figured out by savvy members of the public?

[chad]

i can't believe they spent 2.5 years making a fake only to have the guy who made it forget to to click "layer | flatten image." totally bizarre, makes no sense. the first thing any graphic designer learns to do is to flatten images so that people can't right click, save your image, and then delete layers off of it to reuse it as their own. it's like graphic design 101.

[Ares]

Someone screwed up making this birth certificate. Check this out

the official web site for Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital and according to the information there, the name of the hospital at the time of his birth should have been Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital. According to the web site the name didn’t change to Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital merged with Kapi‘olani Maternity Home in 1978. So how could his official long form birth certificate that was generated in 1961 have the name of the hospital that wasn’t created until 1978?”

http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx

Wiki:

The facility was originally founded by Queen Kapiʻolani as the Kapiʻolani Maternity Home in 1890 for which she held bazaars and luaus to raise $8,000 needed to start the Home. Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital opened in 1909 named for Emma Kauikeolani Napoleon Mahelona (1862–1931), the wife of Albert Spencer Wilcox (1844–1919).[1] In 1978, it merged with Kapiʻolani Maternity Home to become Kapiʻolani Medical Center for Women and Children.[2][3][4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapiolani_Medical_Center_for_Women_and_Children

[Ash_Williams]

Now that I see this on a monitor that isn't crap it's pretty clear the layers are based on differences in color. If those differences existed on the original then I can see the software creating those layers while saving the pdf.

Why those two dates would be lighter than other stuff is an unanswered question, though. As well, the A in Barak and the NON in NONE. You could argue they typed NON then changed the ribbon, but the A in Barak just makes no sense.

[Ash_Williams]

Someone screwed up making this birth certificate. Check this out

the official web site for Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital and according to the information there, the name of the hospital at the time of his birth should have been Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital. According to the web site the name didn’t change to Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital merged with Kapi‘olani Maternity Home in 1978. So how could his official long form birth certificate that was generated in 1961 have the name of the hospital that wasn’t created until 1978?”

http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx

Wiki:

The facility was originally founded by Queen Kapiʻolani as the Kapiʻolani Maternity Home in 1890 for which she held bazaars and luaus to raise $8,000 needed to start the Home. Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital opened in 1909 named for Emma Kauikeolani Napoleon Mahelona (1862–1931), the wife of Albert Spencer Wilcox (1844–1919).[1] In 1978, it merged with Kapiʻolani Maternity Home to become Kapiʻolani Medical Center for Women and Children.[2][3][4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapiolani_Medical_Center_for_Women_and_Children

The website doesn't say that though, it says in 1978 the hospitals merged to form "Kapiʻolani Medical Center for Women and Children." That doesn't appear on the cert.

The cert says "Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital". It makes more sense he was born there than at the children's hospital. You'd have to find out if that was the correct name of the hospital in 1961.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Maybe it's a fake on purpose, they're just trying to fan the fires....I don't know.

http://i.imgur.com/1s1VK.gif

[Cebu_4_2]

Alrighty, I downloaded the PDF and brought it into illustrater. If it is simply a copy printed onto safety paper there would be only 1 layer. I dont know much about the program but I can take the thing apart. If you move the main area off screen there are other pasted things left behind. The birth year is separate, mothers name is in different pieces, the R in barrac is separate. Apparently the certificate I saved is either a poor forgery or a setup. I will pull the doc from the white house site and see if it's real or what.

Downloaded the official copy from the white house site, same thing, has layers. Something is totally wrong with this whole facade.

[Santa]

Maybe it's a fake on purpose, they're just trying to fan the fires....I don't know.

http://i.imgur.com/1s1VK.gif


The way I see this is that they're making political hay. Enough hay for the riled up cattle to chew on for years
til it eventually disappears down the supreme courts memory hole.

Theater. Circus.

[keehah]

I've never seen a president lie or not tell the truth so often and so stupidly in such a few hours.

I heard several mistakes in his speech this morning, of the 'no one knew', "every official in Hawaii.. confirmed my birth" mental idiot sheepisms.


Here is another one: abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/04/president-obama-tells-untruth-in-birth-certificate-press-briefing (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/04/president-obama-tells-untruth-in-birth-certificate-press-briefing.html)

Here are two more from Oprah: Obama to Oprah on birth certificate: I remember being born in Hawaii (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20058041-503544.html)

President Obama told talk show host Oprah Winfrey Wednesday that he was never worried about "birther" challenges to his citizenship because he recalled being born in Hawaii.

"When it first came up were you thinking, 'I hope I was born here?'" asked Winfrey.

With his wife at his side, Mr. Obama, grinning, responded, "Can I just say? I was there, so I knew that -- I knew I had been born. I remembered it."
If they are not lies the guy is loonie.

There are challenges to his citizenship that involve his citizenship status for president irrespective of his place of birth being the US or not.

http://soundpolitics.com/archives/014802.html

In finally releasing President Obama's birth certificate, the White House has conceded what many of us have known all along: that the countless times the left and the media asserted that we had seen Obama's birth certificate were all lies.

To those who merely watch MSNBC, they may be startled to realize that Obama hadn't released his birth certificate until now. Olbermann and Maddow and Matthews and the rest have been falsely asserting otherwise for years. Don't hold your breath waiting for apologies or retractions, though.

And the release comes pretty close to confirming what I've long suspected: that Obama didn't release his birth certificate all this time just to get some of his opponents, and various conspiracy theorists, riled up. He could've released it a long time ago, but chose not to. Granted, maybe Obama is merely excessively belligerent, and refused to release it because he felt he shouldn't have to, but we're often told -- and I mostly believe -- that Obama is a dispassionate pragmatist, so that story doesn't seem likely. What's more likely is that he didn't release his birth certificate simply because Obama himself wanted to make his birth certificate an issue. He succeeded.

[beefsteak]

Petraeus must have won the CIA Jackpot New Job Assignment, as Paneta is replacing GATES. This way Petraeus can't be blamed for the forgery job revelation prior to Corsi's best seller on the come.

If anything, this little stunt by BHO is simply lending credibility to Jerome Corsi's explosive book to be released for sale to the public May 17 dealing with the truth of the matter, and not BHO's 47th version...and counting. Jis sayin'...

[iOWNme]

Dont worry, Soetoro says the 'Certification' has been released, all is well now...LOL @ 00:54

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndST0dfL7VA&feature=player_embedded


@ 2:24 - Barry, if you didnt have 'time' for this YOU WOULDNT BE DOING IT. If you really did have 'better things' to do, YOU WOULD BE DOING THEM.

[Cebu_4_2]

1. Go to: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/....

2. Put a box around the text in standard Adobe. Right click mouse. Choose "Copy Image".

3. Paste into standard Microsoft Word. See what shows up.

[MAGNES]

Alrighty, I downloaded the PDF and brought it into illustrater. If it is simply a copy printed onto safety paper there would be only 1 layer. I dont know much about the program but I can take the thing apart. If you move the main area off screen there are other pasted things left behind. The birth year is separate, mothers name is in different pieces, the R in barrac is separate. Apparently the certificate I saved is either a poor forgery or a setup. I will pull the doc from the white house site and see if it's real or what.

Downloaded the official copy from the white house site, same thing, has layers. Something is totally wrong with this whole facade.


Good work. There are all kind of stamps on there and hidden data, editing , etc .

People did that with DEA documents regarding the Israeli Art Students, and were able to see
all the report even after DEA thought it blacked it out , lol, that is the DEA making mistakes
like this, heavily spook central, they should know better than anyone.

People are dumb, people in the white house, everywhere,

BOTH ARE FAKE, first one, second one, etc,

this is just designed to shut people down, mock them and attack them, like the first one.

[chad]

1. Go to: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/....

2. Put a box around the text in standard Adobe. Right click mouse. Choose "Copy Image".

3. Paste into standard Microsoft Word. See what shows up.


BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[keehah]

1. Go to: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/....

2. Put a box around the text in standard Adobe. Right click mouse. Choose "Copy Image".

3. Paste into standard Microsoft Word. See what shows up.


What happened to your link?

[chad]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

[MAGNES]

1. Go to: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/....

2. Put a box around the text in standard Adobe. Right click mouse. Choose "Copy Image".

3. Paste into standard Microsoft Word. See what shows up.


As soon as I dowloaded it I did that, I looked at hidden data, meta data, in full acrobat
and I pasted the box in new pdf, it gets elongated sideways for some reason so I have
to create pdf with landscape page, it is messed up no doubt, I tried it in word, does
the same thing, I saved it as jpeg from the full acrobat, some of you more tech savvy
people would be able to find all kinds of hidden data, like number of times edited, lol .
And when and where, this happened to UK gov with a word document, they got caught.

COPY PASTE IN ACROBAT TO SAVE AS JPEG, NO WORD USED
I don't know why it goes from square to elongation.
I am copying the center square of information in perfect square.
http://tinypic.com/r/2lx81t5/7

http://i52.tinypic.com/2lx81t5.jpg

[MAGNES]

Interesting observation: how was that little capital M produced on a mechanical typerwriter in 1961? (Where's Dan Rather?)


I wasn't even born back then, my first typewriter was a brother digital machine, lol .

Have a look at the M above.

I am not a tech guy, I don't know what adobe is doing exactly, because I copy
and paste documents and books all the time and I do not get shit like that.

There is a lot of hidden data in documents, usually I remove them, once I
even got a virus I think.

[osoab]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf


OK, now what am I looking at? At a cursory look, I don't see anything out of whack with the stuff that whitened.

What would make the pdf do that?

[osoab]

Interesting observation: how was that little capital M produced on a mechanical typerwriter in 1961? (Where's Dan Rather?)


I wasn't even born back then, my first typewriter was a brother digital machine, lol .

Have a look at the M above.

I am not a tech guy, I don't know what adobe is doing exactly, because I copy
and paste documents and books all the time and I do not get shit like that.

There is a lot of hidden data in documents, usually I remove them, once I
even got a virus I think.


Best explanation I have seen about the "M" is that it was a standard on the paper and just A or P was typed.

[keehah]

That date stamp of April 25, 2011 looks suspicious. Note the 2011 is much fainter than the April 25.

When stamping paper with ink, three common defects are observed.

First, the letters may not all be aligned.

Second is a difference in size between characters. Due to the size of the stamp, or the amount of ink it picked up and transferred to the paper is varying (and bleeds out when pressed to the paper), causing a difference in size between characters. The black material used for such inks (such as acetylene black) have very good coverage, thus large variation in ink thickness will not be observed to cause darkening or lightening of the text (unless pores are not filled-no ink coverage in areas).

Third is that over the span of months or years, materials degrade and the surface of the printed material can wear off. This can cause initial un-noticed differences in ink coverage to become noticed.

So in summary of the common defects seen with stamps, two are observed immediately. The third usually takes months to manifest.

The stamp of 'April 25, 2011' certifying the copy shows all three types of defect. This is strange and unexpected.
One explanation is the document was edited to 'age it' to help make it look authentic, but they were not quite smart enough to fully understand the differences between stamp defects and aging defects and made the mistake of making the new and old parts look the same age.


P.S. If the date had say April 25 in black and 2011 in red (as example) and a black and white image was made from it then we would immediately see a difference in shade. Don't know how they would have gotten the green background then.

[MAGNES]

Best explanation I have seen about the "M" is that it was a standard on the paper and just A or P was typed.


This is a highly edited document, it is not a scan of anything, we showed that.

They could of taken the edited document and printed it out on a good printer.
Then they could of scanned it and presented it.
They did not even do that basic thing.

People that know how to get into the guts of these documents will find more.
That's what happened with the original the white house put up. Highly edited.

The DEA story I told, I think something similar happened here, why does the
doc look like that, the screen I posted, people can do this experiment themselves,
it is easy, if I can do it anyone can, I have full acrobat.

Also what is with that hole in the document, is this some joke ?

[mamboni]

Best explanation I have seen about the "M" is that it was a standard on the paper and just A or P was typed.


This is a highly edited document, it is not a scan of anything, we showed that.

They could of taken the edited document and printed it out on a good printer.
Then they could of scanned it and presented it.
They did not even do that basic thing.

People that know how to get into the guts of these documents will find more.
That's what happened with the original the white house put up. Highly edited.

The DEA story I told, I think something similar happened here, why does the
doc look like that, the screen I posted, people can do this experiment themselves,
it is easy, if I can do it anyone can, I have full acrobat.

Also what is with that hole in the document, is this some joke ?


Obviously, this Obama BC is a digital forgery and a fraud. A scan of a physical print document would have a single bitmap layer, period. The gaps you have demonstrated in your cut and paste display prove digital editing – there is no doubt. This is astoundingly slipshod forgery. Anyone who has doctored a digital image knows how to cover his tracks to eliminate any trace of editing, or at least obvious evidence such as layers of bitmaps. Simply put, the original document can be exported through a sequence of non-lossy bitmap formats such as .BMP , .TIFF, .WMF etc. This generally does the trick and results in a single layer bitmap indistinguishable from a document scan. This is very basic stuff so I have to believe the Obama forgery is a deliberate act – whomever prepared this forged BC knew full well that it’s fraudulent contrived nature would be discovered. I must conclude that these people are deliberately flipping the bird to the American people and in effect saying: “OK assholes, here’s a damn birth certificate! Now stuff it. Sure, we made it up. So what are you going to do about it?!?! Not a damn thing!”

[mightymanx]

Today's birth certificate hulablo was a red herring to distract the masses from somthing bigger.

For instance the FED anouncing it is not issuing bonds anymore, China selling bonds, and Japan not buying bonds effectivly limiting the amount of money the government can make and spend thus virtualy ensuring a "double dip"

But don't worry about a panic the Royal wedding is on soon.

[vacuum]

"When it first came up were you thinking, 'I hope I was born here?'" asked Winfrey.

With his wife at his side, Mr. Obama, grinning, responded, "Can I just say? I was there, so I knew that -- I knew I had been born. I remembered it."
LOL, wow....did he really say this?

[Awoke]

See post #14 in this thread (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/army-doctor-who-questions-obama's-citizenship-is-court-martialed/msg154226/#msg154226) for my view on it.

[MAGNES]

The gaps you have demonstrated in your cut and paste display prove digital editing – there is no doubt.


That was just my experiment as a noob, I copy and paste pdf all the time, I have never seen that ever.

They had some original maybe then edited it.

This guy here is a pro it seems with Illustrator, there is hidden information in the document.




Denninger has come up with some good issues on the BC. Basically, when you put the document into Windows Illustrator, there are multiple layers in the document. The site is slow, he is being hammered with traffic.

You've GOT To Be Kidding Me (Birth Certificate) (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=185094)


CLIP BOARD INFO HIDDEN IN PDF

" Got Illustrator? Don't believe me - check it yourself.

(To get the full list of things on the clipboard, load it and then select "Window->Actions->Links." There they are.)"

[vacuum]

Could someone just post the layers as separate images here? (as pngs)

[vacuum]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eOfYwYyS_c

[Awoke]

Great work, Vaughn Pollux!

I suspected it would be fake from the start. Since when does government use multi-layer graphics editing programs to produce documentation?

[osoab]

PDF Layers in Obama’s Birth Certificate (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-layers-obamas-birth-certificate-nathan-goulding)

April 27, 2011 2:35 P.M.
By Nathan Goulding

We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.

The PDF is composed of multiple images. That’s correct. Using a photo editor or PDF viewer of your choice, you can extract this image data, view it, hide it, etc. But these layers, as they’re being called, aren’t layers in the traditional photo-editing sense of the word. They are, quite literally, pieces of image data that have been positioned in a PDF container. They appear as text but also contain glyphs, dots, lines, boxes, squiggles, and random garbage. They’re not combined or merged in any way. Quite simply, they look like they were created programmatically, not by a human.

What’s plausible is that somewhere along the way — from the scanning device to the PDF-creation software, both of which can perform OCR (optical character recognition) — these partial/pseudo-text images were created and saved. What’s not plausible is that the government spent all this time manufacturing Obama’s birth certificate only to commit the laughably rookie mistake of exporting the layers from Photoshop, or whatever photo editing software they are meant to have used. It’s likely that whoever scanned the birth certificate in Hawaii forgot to turn off the OCR setting on the scanner. Let’s leave it at that.

UPDATE: I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.

[Awoke]

What’s plausible is that somewhere along the way — from the scanning device to the PDF-creation software, both of which can perform OCR (optical character recognition) — these partial/pseudo-text images were created and saved. What’s not plausible is that the government spent all this time manufacturing Obama’s birth certificate only to commit the laughably rookie mistake of exporting the layers from Photoshop, or whatever photo editing software they are meant to have used. It’s likely that whoever scanned the birth certificate in Hawaii forgot to turn off the OCR setting on the scanner. Let’s leave it at that.



Oh, Ok then. It must be real.

::)

[osoab]

What’s plausible is that somewhere along the way — from the scanning device to the PDF-creation software, both of which can perform OCR (optical character recognition) — these partial/pseudo-text images were created and saved. What’s not plausible is that the government spent all this time manufacturing Obama’s birth certificate only to commit the laughably rookie mistake of exporting the layers from Photoshop, or whatever photo editing software they are meant to have used. It’s likely that whoever scanned the birth certificate in Hawaii forgot to turn off the OCR setting on the scanner. Let’s leave it at that.



Oh, Ok then. It must be real.

::)


Just throwing it out there.

Denninger has been saying that when you zoom all the way in. There are no pixels. It looks like a pure digital creation.

[Glass]

This type of document would not be OCR'd. It would be a simple image scan. Single flat layer image. IMO the antialising examples highlighted do look like the image has been doctored after it was scanned.

The document is a certified copy of the original. That means it is copied, not created.

[Ash_Williams]

Now that I look closer and checked out the code in the file its self I think this is just a scan that has been converted to PDF format for whatever reason.

I don't believe the PDF has been altered.

The software they saved the PDF in put basically no extra information in there at all, nothing redeeming or damning.

Now whether the original document that they scanned was legit or not, is another question.

http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Hawaii_61-birthcertificate.jpg

If you look at this one it confirms the hospital name at that time and also shows the different shading in the date stamps at the bottom. Those dates aren't typewritten, they're stamped, so that explains that.

[keehah]

^ I have to disagree with the above video posted by vacuum - the narrator is not taking into account the possibility (pretty high probability, IMO) that this was scanned by a document scanner, which then "printed" its scan onto safety paper.

I don't understand what you are disagreeing with. Karl talks about two images, the layered pdf on the white house website with an electronic safety paper layer and a press image of what is probably a printout of the white house pdf.

Nathan Goulding ...
What’s plausible is that somewhere along the way — from the scanning device to the PDF-creation software, both of which can perform OCR (optical character recognition) — these partial/pseudo-text images were created and saved. What’s not plausible is that the government spent all this time manufacturing Obama’s birth certificate only to commit the laughably rookie mistake of exporting the layers from Photoshop, or whatever photo editing software they are meant to have used. It’s likely that whoever scanned the birth certificate in Hawaii forgot to turn off the OCR setting on the scanner. Let’s leave it at that.

UPDATE: I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.

This is not true. First off the layers are not (optical character recognition) text characters. They are still pixel based images of text and of different resolution levels. Secondly, even if this was a 'computer error' that created the layers, strange instead of being random, the layers are dates, numbers, and signatures in different layers correspond to those that would have had to be created separate from a scanned image of another person's birth certificate if the image was faked.

_______________

Another issue I have with Obama's whitehouse pdf seeming fake is the document number in the upper right. One would assume earlier dates have a lower number as is usually the case whenever I have seen or used forms with sequencial numbers. The other birth certificate we have an image of was registered after Obama's and registers a birth after Obama's as well, yet has a lower department of health number.

[Ash_Williams]

Secondly, even if this was a 'computer error' that created the layers, strange instead of being random, the layers are dates, numbers, and signatures in different layers correspond to those that would have had to be created separate from a scanned image of another person's birth certificate if the image was faked.

The layers correspond to differences in the darkness of the letters, which is to be expected. Now why the R in BARAK or the NON in NONE have those differences, I don't know.


Another issue I have with Obama's whitehouse pdf seeming fake is the document number in the upper right. One would assume earlier dates have a lower number as is usually the case whenever I have seen or used forms with sequencial numbers. The other birth certificate we have an image of was registered after Obama's and registers a birth after Obama's as well, yet has a lower department of health number.

The one I posted was filled out on the same day as Obama's. Being that it was three days later, who knows what order they filled them out.

I would like to see if there's anything to the "African" vs "Negro" idea though.

[mamboni]

^ I have to disagree with the above video posted by vacuum - the narrator is not taking into account the possibility (pretty high probability, IMO) that this was scanned by a document scanner, which then "printed" its scan onto safety paper.

I don't understand what you are disagreeing with. Karl talks about two images, the layered pdf on the white house website with an electronic safety paper layer and a press image of what is probably a scanned printout of the white house pdf.

Nathan Goulding ...
What’s plausible is that somewhere along the way — from the scanning device to the PDF-creation software, both of which can perform OCR (optical character recognition) — these partial/pseudo-text images were created and saved. What’s not plausible is that the government spent all this time manufacturing Obama’s birth certificate only to commit the laughably rookie mistake of exporting the layers from Photoshop, or whatever photo editing software they are meant to have used. It’s likely that whoever scanned the birth certificate in Hawaii forgot to turn off the OCR setting on the scanner. Let’s leave it at that.

UPDATE: I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.

This is not true. First off the layers are not (optical character recognition) text characters. They are still pixel based images of text. Secondly, even if this was a 'computer error' that created the layers, strange instead of being random, the layers are dates, numbers, and signatures in different layers correspond to those that would have had to be created separate from a scanned image of another person's birth certificate if the image was faked.

_______________

Another issue I have with Obama's whitehouse pdf seeming fake is the document number in the upper right. One would assume earlier dates have a lower number as is usually the case whenever I have seen or used forms with sequencial numbers. The other birth certificate we have an image of was registered after Obama's and registers a birth after Obama's as well, yet has a lower department of health number.




The OCR feature would normally segregate out any text recognized into a separate layer from the graphic images. But, the OCR only recognizes characters - it does not have AI and cannot discern content or meaning (i.e. it cannot segregate dates from names from other content types). The Obama BC shows layers segregated along content - this is exactly how a forged document would be prepared. Computer scanner OCR cannot explain this finding. Until proven otherwise, I stand by the conclusion that this Obama BC is a fabrication and forgery.

[Ash_Williams]

There's no OCR here... I don't know why OCR keeps coming up. The layers are based on the darkness of the letters. Note that in the dates the final 1 is darker so is not part of the layer.

[mamboni]

There's no OCR here... I don't know why OCR keeps coming up. The layers are based on the darkness of the letters. Note that in the dates the final 1 is darker so is not part of the layer.


Can you please explain further? I would like to understand how a computer generated these discrete layers.

[Ash_Williams]

The PDF software has written it's layers based entirely on color.

The layer with most of the text is the "black" layer. You will not find a single pixel of gray or green. A pdf editor will show you that this entire layer has one single color: R :11%, G :18%, B :12%, a:100%

Lower left hand date layer: R :34%, G :44%, B :34%, a:100%
Lower right hand date layer: R :25%, G :34%, B :26%, a:100%
April 25th date layer: R :30%, G :35%, B :32%, a:100%
"I CERTIFY" layer: R :35%, G :39%, B :35%, a:100%

The software found the text in these layers had different colors so grouped them accordingly.

The final layer is anything with a hint of green in it. This layer was too complex for the software to break up any further so it saved it all as one layer. Anything that couldn't be classified as a solid color went into this layer.

I think this document was scanned, saved as low quality jpeg (you can see artifacts everywhere), and then converted to PDF.

The layers are on the dates because they were stamped in lighter ink. Same as how the R in BARAK is on a different layer than the BA AK.

[keehah]

Ash not all the layers different coloured letters. Like the layers that were entire date stamps. Some of the unique layers are entire date stamps. Just like one would ad to forge a birth certificate.

And the different letters are not innocently different coloured (from randomness or age of document etc.). As Karl's video linked above shows, the 1 for example [used to complete the certificate number at the top right of the document] was copied from the front and the colour difference between the two was created when one was scanned in colour, and the other in grey tone as confirmed by colour fringe analysis confirming this.

In other words the layers and what they represent is not random computer generated, but the resultant steps of someone forging a fake birth certificate.

[Ash_Williams]

Ash not all the layers different coloured letters. Like the layers that were entire date stamps. Some of the unique layers are entire date stamps. Just like one would ad to forge a birth certificate.

The entire date stamp is the same color, minus the "1" at the end of each which does not appear in the date-stamp layer. You can verify this with a pdf editor.


And the different letters are not innocently different coloured (from randomness or age of document etc.). As Karl's video linked above shows, the 1 for example was copied from the front and the colour difference between the two was created when one was scanned in colour, and the other in grey tone as confirmed by colour fringe analysis confirming this.

Can't watch the video here, but the different colors in letters is a question of the document, not of the pdf. The document could very well be fake, I just think this is a "real" scan converted to "real" pdf of a potentially fake document.

For the purposes of optimizing the pdf the software can say "Color xxx applies to the following pixels..." rather than "pixel 1: xxx color, pixel 2: xxx color, pixel 3: xxy color" etc. So it creates layers that way.

Had the entire date been on a single layer, with nothing else on that layer, it would have been suspicious, but with the division clearly being on single uniform colors, this totally makes sense.

[learn2swim]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g30VCl_cgk&feature=player_embedded

[Book]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJfdKClbH4

[Vendico]

Michael Harrington is the author of the PDF, based on the file properties. Perhaps he should be questioned.

[Low Pan]

Michael Harrington is the author of the PDF, based on the file properties. Perhaps he should be questioned.



Would be worthless, he would just lie. Kind of like how they picked a dead Dr as the one who delivered O'Bama. A Dr. can't tell the truth if he's dead.

[JohnQPublic]

I just went to several PhotoShop forums (Googled Photoshop forum), and not a word about this on any of them.

[chad]

I just went to several PhotoShop forums (Googled Photoshop forum), and not a word about this on any of them.


graphic designers, artists = notoriously leftist

[Vendico]

Michael Harrington is the author of the PDF, based on the file properties. Perhaps he should be questioned.



Interesting correlation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Harrington

[DMac]

More details on the forgery:


Photoshop expert and author of more than 17 books on computer graphics Mara Z. sent this in:
This is so maddening to listen to the media on this recent revelation… it’s such an obvious fake.

http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/04/critics-obamas-latest-long-form-birth-certificate-is-a-fake/

[keehah]

Here comes the damage control.

So far all Drudge links to is a limited hangout.

They only mention those that do not matter or can be innocently explained or suits their racism slander. It do not actually address the meat of what this thread covers as example.

The only one that seems real is the 'African' for Coloured or Negro but this still suits their accusation of racism to help shut down the sheep agenda.

And take number 8 as another example of deflection.

8. Birth certificate of someone born at the same hospital a day later has a lower number
That is not the issue, the issue is that it was registered later with a lower number.

[keehah]

This is my take on the whole issue. A Revelation of the Method PsyOp much like this one:


Revelation of the Method and the Murder of Spirit (http://911review.org/Alex/Psychological_Warfare.html)

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/crypto1.html

A Page from the Cryptocracy's Psychological Warfare Manual

by Michael A. Hoffman II

No, this isn't a column about ectoplasm or the Fox Sisters; but the epistemology of mass suppression of spirit, soul and mind; in other words, a page from the Cryptocracy's own psychological warfare manual.

In the June 5, 2006 edition of the New York Times, there appeared on one-third of page A19, an illustrated report on the concept that the 9/11 terror attacks were US government-sponsored. The article was titled "For 9/11 Conspiracy Buffs, A Chance to Compare Notes." It was reported by Alan Feuer.

If we were not in the alchemical "Must Be" stage of the "Making Manifest of All that is Hidden" era, then this NY Times report would have never seen print, or the reporter would have merely poked fun, or suggested that 9/11 conspiracy investigators are fit mainly for the booby hatch, in the American tradition of what Richard Hofstadter sneeringly termed "paranoid style."

Nothing of the kind in this report, however. The New York Times graciously called the 9/11 investigators "skeptics and scientists." Even the website of these dissenters was provided: 911Truth.org

The anomaly that is the collapse of World Trade Center building 7, which was not attacked in any discernible manner, but mysteriously fell anyway, was cited rather than avoided. Also noted by the Times are incendiary topics such as the collapse of the World Trade Center towers through "controlled demolition," and the fact that "the military command that monitors aircraft 'stood down' on the day of the attacks." This is just the sort of sensitive, hidden data that ought to make the Cryptocracy squirm, unless the Cryptocracy itself approved its release for purposes of Revelation of the Method.

Physics Prof. Steven E. Jones is recognized by the NY Times as the antidote to the National Institute of Standards and Technology Report, which claims to debunk the notion that the collapse of WTC building 7 was any kind of anomaly. A long URL is furnished for Prof. Jones' rebuttal paper.

The tenor of the New York Times report is mostly respectful. It all but affirms that there's a good case for believing the US government did this to its own citizens. That's quite an astounding concession in the nation's "newspaper of record," in an article taking up one-third of page 19 in the paper's first section, under the headline "New York Report."

The June 5 Times report is unprecedented; it should have made huge waves: Bush's press secretary should have been asked about it, Ann Coulter should have been confronted; Prof. Jones should have been on all the news networks. The New York Times should have editorialized. Instead, just a few tiny blips of reaction on the media screen and then, flatline.

I promised at the beginning of this column to take you on a foray into the control epistemology of the Cryptocracy, so here goes. The "Revelation of the Method" is a deadly weapon in the hands of the enemies of the Establishment, in those times past when the American people were possessed of an alert mind, an awakened consciousness, concentrated will-power and not too many distractions.

Today, amnesia, apathy and distractions both digital and consumer cornucopic, are all-pervasive, except when people are cued by the Establishment to become outraged, as in the outrage generated on behalf of Darfur and a few years before that, for Kosovo. This is official outrage. Unofficial, spontaneous, grassroots outrage is harder to find.

When the New York Times, an organ of the System itself, strongly hints that the US government is complicit in the murder of thousands of its own citizens - - and as a result of this revelation there are no sustained street protests, mass rallies, riots, pickets, lawsuits, televised hearings, booing and hissing of Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush and Ashcroft whenever they attend public forums; no special investigations by the newspaper and television journalists - - then murder of our spirits is taking place on a mass scale and the Cryptocracy's gamble in revealing this information, is paying off.

It is risky to reveal to the people what has been done to them by the gangster class that lords it over them. Patently, in the wake of the revelation, the risk is one of reprisal, retribution and rage by the people. But where there is little or none of that, then the Cryptocracy has tripled its hold on the minds and hearts of Americans: it has strongly hinted about the mass murder it committed on Sept. 11 and yet, there are few significant repercussions. This non-reaction tends to demonstrate that the people of the US accept, at the subliminal level of their consciousness, that their own leaders are mass murderers of their fellow citizens, and mostly what they do in return is shake it off and head to the mall.

If the Federal government succeeds in another big attack on America by means of its Islamic patsies, it could well tip our country over into military rule. Bringing the behind-the-scenes perpetrators of the first 9/11 attacks to justice, prevents the state's orchestration of a second attack, the one that most likely would lead to martial law tyranny and the eclipse of the American dream of liberty. But even after revelations in the June 5 New York Times - - replete with directions to web pages that give strong evidence of an official role in the terror attacks - - Atlas shrugs.

This is a less-than-human response, a result of the alchemical processing of humanity, the devolution from angel to beast.

There you have it, a page from the real-time psychological warfare manual of the Cryptocracy.

Copyright©2006 RevisionistHistory.org

[Ash_Williams]

That is not the issue, the issue is that it was registered later with a lower number.

That whole thing is a non issue.

Two people were born. The hospital filled out the B.C.s a few days later on the 7th. One got filled out before the other. There's nothing unusual there. They're not going to make the parents line up in order of birth to fill out the certs.


I just went to several PhotoShop forums (Googled Photoshop forum), and not a word about this on any of them.

To make a good fake in photoshop you'd actually need some skill and you're taking the risk of missing something.

If you're the govt why not just fill out one of the damn pieces of paper (sure they got one around somewhere), get one of your experts to sign some signatures, photocopy it onto the green safety paper, get the guy to stamp it a certified copy, and you're done.

There's no need for photoshop here.
I got a typewriter and some date stamps at home... give me an original B.C paper and I'll make up one of these in a day (1 week if you want the "Certified copy" part on it 'cause I'll have to get that stamp made), and no amount of looking into it with photoshop will reveal a damn thing.

[Ares]

That is not the issue, the issue is that it was registered later with a lower number.

That whole thing is a non issue.

Two people were born. The hospital filled out the B.C.s a few days later on the 7th. One got filled out before the other. There's nothing unusual there. They're not going to make the parents line up in order of birth to fill out the certs.


I just went to several PhotoShop forums (Googled Photoshop forum), and not a word about this on any of them.

To make a good fake in photoshop you'd actually need some skill and you're taking the risk of missing something.

If you're the govt why not just fill out one of the damn pieces of paper (sure they got one around somewhere), get one of your experts to sign some signatures, photocopy it onto the green safety paper, get the guy to stamp it a certified copy, and you're done.

There's no need for photoshop here.
I got a typewriter and some date stamps at home... give me an original B.C paper and I'll make up one of these in a day (1 week if you want the "Certified copy" part on it 'cause I'll have to get that stamp made), and no amount of looking into it with photoshop will reveal a damn thing.


Except for the fact that it wouldn't match up with the states historical archives you are correct. I believe BC's get microfiched and stored in historical archives for the state.

[keehah]

That is not the issue, the issue is that it was registered later with a lower number.

That whole thing is a non issue.

Two people were born. The hospital filled out the B.C.s a few days later on the 7th. One got filled out before the other. There's nothing unusual there. They're not going to make the parents line up in order of birth to fill out the certs.

It depends if the upper right mechanical number stamp was pre-printed, like a cheque book. Which can not now be proven, so yes I agree it is basically a non issue.

But they would still have to silence any other guy with the same number.

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/04/27/superman-renounces-us-citizenship/
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2011/04/superman-citizenship-1303916053.jpg

While this wouldn't be this first time a profoundly American comic book icon disassociated himself from his national identity -- remember when Captain America became Nomad? -- this could be a very significant turning point for Superman if its implications carry over into other storylines. Indeed, simply saying that "truth, justice and the American way [is] not enough anymore" is a pretty startling statement from the one man who has always represented those values the most.

It doesn't seem that he's abandoning those values, however, only trying to implement them on a larger scale and divorce himself from the political complexities of nationalism. Superman also says that he believes he has been thinking "too small," that the world is "too connected" for him to limit himself with a purely national identity. As an alien born on another planet, after all, he "can't help but see the bigger picture."

Do you think the shift to a more global role makes sense for Superman? If he really is going to renounce his U.S. citizenship in order to function as a more international figure, how do you think it will affect the character?

[madfranks]

I just went to several PhotoShop forums (Googled Photoshop forum), and not a word about this on any of them.


I just visited the Adobe forums and coincidentally their forum search feature is down.

[mamboni]

On the adobe forums some are pointing out that the BC is "abstracted" or reconstructed and the digital artifacts are to be expected. This may be the case. But for Obama to release his BC in this manner is to punk the entire nation. How can we accept a "reconstituted" document as authentic? It boggles the mind. >:(

[sirgonzo420]

On the adobe forums some are pointing out that the BC is "abstracted" or reconstructed and the digital artifacts are to be expected. This may be the case. But for Obama to release his BC in this manner is to punk the entire nation. How can we accept a "reconstituted" document as authentic? It boggles the mind. >:(


Just another day in bizarro world.


http://www.minerland.net/One%20dollar%20bill%20one.jpg..jpg

"money"

[JohnQPublic]

On the adobe forums some are pointing out that the BC is "abstracted" or reconstructed and the digital artifacts are to be expected. This may be the case. But for Obama to release his BC in this manner is to punk the entire nation. How can we accept a "reconstituted" document as authentic? It boggles the mind. >:(


I found this thread. Not too useful:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/3641143#3641143

[JohnQPublic]

But (http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401),

"Former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams has now signed an affidavit swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities."

(Jerome R. Corsi (http://www.amazon.com/Wheres-Birth-Certificate-Eligible-President/dp/1936488299/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1304020923&sr=1-1))

[MAGNES]

Everyone was on to this early yesterday.

Even if they did a proper pdf there are many issues still and even if the CIA came up with something
professional Obama still has a lot going against him, many many points and a lot to explain.

Head NeoCon rag responds, everyone is on to this treachery early. 2 35 PM .
April 27, 2011 2:35 P.M.

NRO promotes PNAC, Obama is on their program, continuing and expanding wars.
Libya is about this too.



PDF Layers in Obama’s Birth Certificate
April 27, 2011 2:35 P.M.
By Nathan Goulding
PDF Layers in Obama’s Birth Certificate (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-layers-obamas-birth-certificate-nathan-goulding)


" We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it."

[MAGNES]

NEW DEBATING TACTICS, YELL LOUDER, " crazy person " " crazy person " " say something human "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmdgJeSLKSU

[Cebu_4_2]

NEW DEBATING TACTICS, YELL LOUDER


What a complete jackoff! Did you read the comments on jewtube? Everyone else thinks so too LOL

[MAGNES]

NEW DEBATING TACTICS, YELL LOUDER


What a complete jackoff! Did you read the comments on jewtube? Everyone else thinks so too LOL


He looks like a rabid dog that had his bone taken from him. LOL

A few people above talked about this being some sort of setup, this seems to be the MO early,
" talk about the birth certificate " " do you accept it " " yes " " no " " shut up either way ",
this seems to be the strategy they will employ, they are overplaying it.

This stuff doesn't give me a rise anymore, makes me laugh actually.

Remember how and why they got rid of Lou Dobbs , " no birth certificate ",
one of the last times I got mad.

This ain't even a birth certificate, where is the seal. ?
They really are playing everyone and beating everyone up to shut up.

Will they shut Trump down ? They shut Lou Dobbs down.

'Trump is a racist': Bob Schieffer attacks The Apprentice host... as liberals desert reality show in protest at anti-Obama campaign
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1381527/Donald-Trump-racist-Bob-Schieffer-attacks-Apprentice-host.html

Trump: 'I am the last person this should be said about.'

[MAGNES]

All of you are a bunch of conspiracy nuts, report to your staging area for transport to re education camp,
those refusing to assemble will be hunted down and shot, by secret order.

Linked from drudge.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/top-20-conspiracy-theories-that-have-already-sprun

Madsen
Obama tells Oprah show that those who question his roots are "carnival barkers."
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-obama-oprah-birth-certificate-20110427,0,3514817.story?track=rss
" No, Barry, you are the trained CIA barking circus seal. " Wayne Madsen


Winfrey asked Obama why he waited so long to release the full documentation.

"sideshows and carnival barkers" propagating conspiracies about his roots.

"I said to my team, look, even though this is not usually what the state of Hawaii does. Even though the Republican governor of Hawaii, the Democratic governors of Hawaii, all the various officials had confirmed that I was born here, let's ask them for a special dispensation where they will go ahead and provide us with the original to see if we can put this to rest," he said.

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2011-04/178084960-27154904.jpg

[JDRock]

....even IF the assuredly bogus certificate were true, who can say that the man posing as president, has the same name??

[midnight rambler]

Wayne Madsen weighs in -

http://www.rense.com/general93/rank.htm

[Bullion_Bob]

There's no way anyone that's savvy enough to use photoshop or illustrator to construct this document that would not flatten the layers...it's two easy clicks. It would have been worked on by more than one pair of eyes.

This doc would have been combed every which way from Sunday, and scrubbed of all traces of everything UNLESS this was done on purpose to encourage the whole birther issue.

My guess is the scanning software layered the colors? ??

It's all so bizarre at this point, and making my head spin a bit, which leads me to believe it could also be bydesign.

Spin the spin into even more spinning spin.

[MAGNES]

Wayne Madsen weighs in -

http://www.rense.com/general93/rank.htm


Barak's name is spelled wrong too, look up,

PROBLEMS FACING OUR SOCIALISM BARAK H. OBAMA 1965

They are going to shout everyone down, it already started,
they got Lou Dobbs, let's see what happens to Trump, I think
it is going to be a show.

[JohnQPublic]

Wayne Madsen weighs in -

http://www.rense.com/general93/rank.htm


Barak's name is spelled wrong too, look up,

PROBLEMS FACING OUR SOCIALISM BARAK H. OBAMA 1965

They are going to shout everyone down, it already started,
they got Lou Dobbs, let's see what happens to Trump, I think
it is going to be a show.


I agree it is going to be a show. Here is another publication from Bara[c]k senior. It is listed under "Barack" at the LOC. (http://www.worldcat.org/wcpa/oclc/694566336?page=frame&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcatalog.loc.gov%26checksum%3Dab6c da002d4204564dc73ec63e20751e&title=Library+of+Congress&linktype=opac&detail=DLC%3ALibrary+of+Congress%3AState+or+Nation al+Library)

[madfranks]

There's no way anyone that's savvy enough to use photoshop or illustrator to construct this document that would not flatten the layers...it's two easy clicks. It would have been worked on by more than one pair of eyes.

This doc would have been combed every which way from Sunday, and scrubbed of all traces of everything UNLESS this was done on purpose to encourage the whole birther issue.

My guess is the scanning software layered the colors? ??

It's all so bizarre at this point, and making my head spin a bit, which leads me to believe it could also be bydesign.

Spin the spin into even more spinning spin.





Even if it was the scanning software that somehow separately layered the signature, the individual date stamps, etc., it takes a high degree of ineptitude to have this PDF as the final document and not be able to discern, "hmm, if we release this document with all these layers still separate, this will make people think it's faked". And if they weren't smart enough to know that there were layers in the pdf, they're idiots too. Either way, they are idiots, which makes me think it was done on purpose.

[Ash_Williams]

Even if it was the scanning software that somehow separately layered the signature, the individual date stamps, etc., it takes a high degree of ineptitude to have this PDF as the final document and not be able to discern, "hmm, if we release this document with all these layers still separate, this will make people think it's faked". And if they weren't smart enough to know that there were layers in the pdf, they're idiots too. Either way, they are idiots, which makes me think it was done on purpose.

I'm not sure. I work with PDF documents from large companies a few times a week, and a high level of ineptitude is certainly the norm.

Most notably, there are major, powerful, big buck companies, that think they can just put a password on a PDF and no one can print it because it's now 'encrypted'.

[mamboni]

Even if it was the scanning software that somehow separately layered the signature, the individual date stamps, etc., it takes a high degree of ineptitude to have this PDF as the final document and not be able to discern, "hmm, if we release this document with all these layers still separate, this will make people think it's faked". And if they weren't smart enough to know that there were layers in the pdf, they're idiots too. Either way, they are idiots, which makes me think it was done on purpose.

I'm not sure. I work with PDF documents from large companies a few times a week, and a high level of ineptitude is certainly the norm.

Most notably, there are major, powerful, big buck companies, that think they can just put a password on a PDF and no one can print it because it's now 'encrypted'.



I don't doubt what you are saying. Certainly when publishing a text document in MS Word, releasing it as a non-editable .PDF makes sense. But a physical document like a birth certificate, though textual in content, is in essence a graphic document, an image. It makes sense to release it as a simple bitmap file such as .BMP or .TIFF. Releasing this BC as .PDF is just fanning the flames of controversy and needlessly begging the question of authenticity.

[mamboni]

Wayne Madsen weighs in -

http://www.rense.com/general93/rank.htm


Barak's name is spelled wrong too, look up,

PROBLEMS FACING OUR SOCIALISM BARAK H. OBAMA 1965

They are going to shout everyone down, it already started,
they got Lou Dobbs, let's see what happens to Trump, I think
it is going to be a show.


Call me paranoid, but part of me posits that Trump was put up to this by team Obama as a ploy to pre-emptively lance the 'BC boil' issue now. After spending $millions and years fighting the release of his BC in courts, why did Obama suddenly capitulate to a 'carnival barker' [Obama's characterization of Trump]. The whole affair reeks of being contrived - a setup. And while many here discern that this BC is a fake and a forgery, the vast bulk of the American people will not look past the fact that 'it' has been released and the issue is now settled - in Obama's favor!

[gunny highway]

i've been bamboozled into arguing over the wrong issue... again! i couldn't see the forest cuz the trees were in the way. :-\


Ideologically, President Obama's qualifications are important and many are right to question them. Realistically, they are a red herring, as is his entire presidency. He is in charge of exactly nothing, most likely not even the tie he puts on in the morning and surely not the words that come out of his mouth. His entire function is to perpetuate the facade that America is still run by an elected government and not an illegitimate oligarchy of corporations and financial institutions. Arguing over his birth certificate engenders him with legitimacy in and of itself - suggesting that if he had proper qualifications he would be a "legitimate" president. But he, like his predecessor Bush, are both entirely illegitimate, as is the system they purportedly preside over.

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/04/obamas-birth-certificate-not-issue.html

[midnight rambler]

This fellow further clarifies the issues which distinguish this thing as fake -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY&feature=player_embedded

[keehah]

Sharing some notes I took of Webster Tarpley on the AJ show today.


Public's right to know vs.Oligarch want to cover up.

Obama lies. Hard to confront him on his agenda head on.

Obama's agenda:
A grand bargan of genocidal authority to skin the people alive.
A flanking attack compared to other controled party.

Passport issue can still be used to slow his agenda. Like Lewinski with Clinton that destroyed Clinton's flanking attack being aligned with Gingrich.

Show the document-access to real document, scolars, scientists, news media, etc.
Did he in 1981 pass through Indonesia and reaffirm Indonesian passport as an adult (suggesting dropped American citizenship for Indonesian)?

Other issues: Is he Blackmailable by not releasing his background. And blackmailable by other Blogavitch and Larry Summers issues.

Need to appeal to the left to consider these issues as a concern. They need to be open to constitutional considerations as the same issues affect the use of torture and war crimes by the country.

Obama has created a constitutional crisis. Is he that incompetent? How transparent is that?
He is a Union Buster, expanding all the wars. Suppressing the movements for protest..:

[BrewTech]

i've been bamboozled into arguing over the wrong issue... again! i couldn't see the forest cuz the trees were in the way. :-\


Ideologically, President Obama's qualifications are important and many are right to question them. Realistically, they are a red herring, as is his entire presidency. He is in charge of exactly nothing, most likely not even the tie he puts on in the morning and surely not the words that come out of his mouth. His entire function is to perpetuate the facade that America is still run by an elected government and not an illegitimate oligarchy of corporations and financial institutions. Arguing over his birth certificate engenders him with legitimacy in and of itself - suggesting that if he had proper qualifications he would be a "legitimate" president. But he, like his predecessor Bush, are both entirely illegitimate, as is the system they purportedly preside over.


http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/04/obamas-birth-certificate-not-issue.html





precisely!

[MAGNES]

This fellow further clarifies the issues which distinguish this thing as fake -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY&feature=player_embedded


This is new, must watch. 2nd half is explosive.

Also some one pointed out that if you blow up
the document pixel sizes, show up as squares
blown up, do not match in key parts of doc,
close proximity, therefore they say proof of
adding info.

[Cebu_4_2]

This is new, must watch. 2nd half is explosive.

Also some one pointed out that if you blow up
the document pixel sizes, show up as squares
blown up, do not match in key parts of doc,
close proximity, therefore they say proof of
adding info.



Precisely, and with a purposeful fake BC and Trump backing down then all the so called birthers will now not vote for Trump either which will leave who?

This is a complete setup to sway the non sheeple into whomever TPTB sees fit. Sway vote, divide and concur? Of course LOL

[MAGNES]

Birth Certificate: Pixels Don't Lie

http://www.henrymakow.com/birth_certificate_pixels_dont.html

http://i56.tinypic.com/n1xnch.jpg

[JohnQPublic]

Here is the second part:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT0Tpf1IhxA

[SilverMagnet]

Ok, so now that the Birth Certificate is a fake, WTF is anyone gonna do about it?

[Bullion_Bob]

Ok, so now that the Birth Certificate is a fake, WTF is anyone gonna do about it?


Get out of debt, get real money back into the hands of the people, starting with yourself, and encourage others to do the same.

The alternative is to go Egypt style, but that's a just a huge mess, and with no lasting resolve.

Does anyone know of another way to win other than financially as a massive group against TPTB?

Maybe it should be modified to: "Give the people control over their nations money and they will not worry about those who make it's laws?"

[Glass]

This is new, must watch. 2nd half is explosive.

Also some one pointed out that if you blow up
the document pixel sizes, show up as squares
blown up, do not match in key parts of doc,
close proximity, therefore they say proof of
adding info.



Precisely, and with a purposeful fake BC and Trump backing down then all the so called birthers will now not vote for Trump either which will leave who?

This is a complete setup to sway the non sheeple into whomever TPTB sees fit. Sway vote, divide and concur? Of course LOL


Ever since I started paying attention to the US elections, begining with the Hanging Chad debacle I've noticed that they forward run a preposterous canditate about 18 months to 2 years out from the election.

I mean surely everyone gets that Trump as a presidential candidate is about as preposterous as it gets.

[Heimdhal]

This is new, must watch. 2nd half is explosive.

Also some one pointed out that if you blow up
the document pixel sizes, show up as squares
blown up, do not match in key parts of doc,
close proximity, therefore they say proof of
adding info.



Precisely, and with a purposeful fake BC and Trump backing down then all the so called birthers will now not vote for Trump either which will leave who?

This is a complete setup to sway the non sheeple into whomever TPTB sees fit. Sway vote, divide and concur? Of course LOL


Ever since I started paying attention to the US elections, begining with the Hanging Chad debacle I've noticed that they forward run a preposterous canditate about 18 months to 2 years out from the election.

I mean surely everyone gets that Trump as a presidential candidate is about as preposterous as it gets.


I feel the same way about the man and had since day one. The first time I saw/heard him talking about running for prez I said "oh, they arent even trying anymore." When a shitty businessman turned "reality star" is seriously running for president, they arent even trying to hide the fact that our elections are bread and circus wrapped in a day time soap opera.

I even said to my wife "does the guy know that people only 'like' him because everyone makes fun of him?" Its not like the man had tons of positive respect out there, he was a half assed joke. But I am actualy starting to see people go "hey, he might not be so bad."

Fucking face plam, man.

[madfranks]

Birth Certificate: Pixels Don't Lie

http://www.henrymakow.com/birth_certificate_pixels_dont.html

http://i56.tinypic.com/n1xnch.jpg


That's about as definitive proof as you could ask for. It was already suspicious that the signature and date stamps were on separate layers, but the fact that their pixel resolution doesn't match the rest of the document is proof they were a cut and paste job from other documents.

I simply can't believe that people think this is real.

[midnight rambler]

Birth Certificate: Pixels Don't Lie

http://www.henrymakow.com/birth_certificate_pixels_dont.html

http://i56.tinypic.com/n1xnch.jpg


That's about as definitive proof as you could ask for. It was already suspicious that the signature and date stamps were on separate layers, but the fact that their pixel resolution doesn't match the rest of the document is proof they were a cut and paste job from other documents.

I simply can't believe that people think this is real.


Which can lead one to believe it's all a psyop, one concocted years ago, intended as a diversion/distraction.

[keehah]

Friday Afternoon Roundup - Liars vs Racists (http://www.rightsidenews.com/2011043013400/editorial/rsn-pick-of-the-day/friday-afternoon-roundup-liars-vs-racists.html)
FRIDAY, 29 APRIL 2011 20:41 DANIEL GREENFIELD RightsideNews

The combination of Trump, Obama and the media insured that this week's story would be the birth certificate issue. Even though there isn't much of a story there. The birth certificate has been part of the much larger underlying issue which is the lack of transparency by the Obama Administration in even the simplest things. And that may not be a resolvable issue anymore.

It's not just that Obama has lied too many times. Most politicians lie or stretch the truth or hold back information. The problem is that the media and too many institutions have been willing to lie for him. Take a simple story like Obama Sr's time at Harvard.

The Arizona Independent filed a Freedom of Information Request (http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/28/harvard-wanted-barack-obamas-dad-deported/) and turned up INS records that showed Harvard thought Obama Sr was a "slippery character" and wanted him gone. But Harvard today claims their records don't support any such thing. So whom are you going to believe, period government records or the spokesman for Harvard University?

This problem repeats itself over and over again. Not only do negative stories on Obama's background not get reported, but people in high positions continue to cover for him. The contents of Sarah Palin's personal email account were sprawled over the internet-- but the LA Times won't release Obama's Rashid Khalidi tape (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/226104/i-l-times-i-suppresses-obamas-khalidi-bash-tape/andrew-c-mccarthy). Yet is there a single person who honestly believes that if the Khalidi tape starred McCain, that it wouldn't have been out there and on Page 1 of every major newspaper? Or if John McCain had attended a violently racist church or Cindy McCain had a photo op with David Duke's wife that these wouldn't have equally been Page 1 stories?

The perfect storm of Obama's stonewalling and an establishment willing to cover up and lie for him, means that people legitimately distrust anything that comes out of his mouth or the media. In such an environment, a culture of conspiracy theories may be wrong, but not irrational. And it also means that there's no real way to prove or disprove anything anymore.

Is it irrational to believe that the media would lie to us about major documents that are a factor in a presidential race? It should be. But in the 2004 election, the highest profile news program around presented a document indicting Bush for draft dodging that turned out to have been written in Microsoft Word.

Media talking heads complain that the internet has proliferated conspiracy theories so that there is no longer a consensus on what's true and what isn't. But who do you blame for that, except a media which has been willing to sell lies in order to achieve political victories. This is no longer just about the big lies, like Walter Duranty insisting that Soviet Russia was a happy worker's utopia, it's even about the most ordinary things. Like a birth certificate. The liberal establishment has completely discredited itself. And with liberal ideologues controlling most of the media, a rational consensus can no longer hold up.

A consensus only works if we agree on some things. We can disagree on taxes and stop signs. But we don't disagree that blatant lies are wrong and that politicians from all parties should be equally subject to scrutiny. Except we don't agree on that anymore. Instead we agree that you'll lie like crazy and we won't believe a word that comes out of your mouths. What's truth? Nobody knows anymore.

What is really disturbing about the birth certificate issue is that Obama never took it seriously as an obligation. Instead he threw it out to counter an opposing candidate who was rising in the polls. And the media narrative is that this is a shameful\triumphant event that humiliates\uplifts Obama. No it doesn't make any sense. But when you lie all the time, you stop noticing when your news reports follow contradictory, but useful narratives.

Obama has become an event horizon beyond which truth no longer seems to exist anymore. The birth certificate release no longer has any real meaning. It's always possible to find more 'questions' to ask about it. There's no objective way to finalize the issue, because the consensus has broken down.

The left's unprecedented corruption of government and the media which could have played a watchdog role, means that those institutions can no longer serve as watchdogs, only propagandists.

When you can no longer trust institutions, then you either drink the kool aid or refuse to drink anything at all. The question isn't are they lying, it's how much are they lying. And when you're dealing with that kind of framework, to 'trust' you have to argue that they would lie X amount, but not Y amount. Because lying Y amount would be just crazy. Right?

The left is free to believe that asking for Obama's birth certificate is racist. And plenty on the right will believe that the birth certificate is fake. The Racists vs Liars debate of narratives has been going on for a while now and it transcends the birth certificate. It's the larger story here. The zero sum struggle. And it's only going to get uglier.

Are we in a recovery or an economic disaster? If you believe the liars, we're in a recovery. And the only people denying it hate socialism, which as we all know is code, for race. Is Global Warming a serious problem? The liars say yes and that anyone who disagree is a racist who hates the Third World countries that are suffering from GW. Is ObamaCare... well you get the drill. Ground Zero Mosque, yep. Big government. You know it.

If you agree with Obama, you're a liar. And if you disagree with him, you're a racist. It's useless to conduct a political debate under these conditions.

This level of divisiveness is less about Obama, and more about the way the left has used institutions under its control to promote him and silence his critics. And there's a price to pay for that. Constant propaganda works. And it doesn't. You end up with two types of people. One type who believes everything the authorities say. The other who wouldn't believe them if they said the sun was shining.

The media was meant to be a forum, instead it's become a propaganda megaphone. And the alternative is a crowdsourced media. Which is exactly what we have on the internet. Crowdsourced media means more mistakes, but it still beats a one note media apparatus which spends all day blaring OBAMA IS GREAT LOOK HOW GREAT OBAMA IS ISN'T HE GREAT THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE HIM ARE RACISTS. Of course conspiracy theories flourish in such an environment. How could they not. And how do you disprove them when there is no longer a consensus on much of anything anymore.

The media talking heads like to solemnly blame the internet for this chain of events, but the internet is an outlet. It's their lies that have gotten us here. ...

[keehah]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_controversy

By the following day, questions about the authenticity of the documents were being publicized by the Drudge Report..

The Killian documents controversy (also referred to as Memogate, Rathergate) involved six documents critical of President George W. Bush's service in the Air National Guard in 1972–73. Four of these documents were presented as authentic in a 60 Minutes Wednesday broadcast aired by CBS on September 8, 2004, less than two months before the 2004 Presidential Election, but it was later found that CBS had failed to authenticate the documents. Subsequently, several typewriter and typography experts concluded the documents are forgeries, as have some media sources. No forensic document examiners or typography experts have authenticated the documents, and this may not be technically possible without original documents...

The authenticity of the documents was challenged within hours on Internet forums and blogs, with questions initially focused on alleged anachronisms in the documents' typography and content soon spreading to the mass media. Although CBS and Rather defended the authenticity and usage of the documents for a two-week period, continued scrutiny from other news organizations and independent analysis of the documents obtained by USA Today and CBS raised questions about their validity and led to a public repudiation on September 20, 2004. Rather stated, "if I knew then what I know now – I would not have gone ahead with the story as it was aired, and I certainly would not have used the documents in question," and CBS News President Andrew Heyward said, "Based on what we now know, CBS News cannot prove that the documents are authentic, which is the only acceptable journalistic standard to justify using them in the report. We should not have used them. That was a mistake, which we deeply regret."

Several months later, a CBS-appointed panel led by Dick Thornburgh and Louis Boccardi criticized both the initial CBS news segment and CBS' "strident defense" during the aftermath. CBS fired producer Mary Mapes, several senior news executives were asked to resign, and CBS apologized to viewers. The panel did not specifically consider whether the documents were forgeries but concluded that the producers had failed to authenticate them and cited "substantial questions regarding the authenticity of the Killian documents."...

Once questions were raised about the September 8 Segment, the reporting thereafter was mishandled and compounded the damage done. Among the more egregious shortcomings during the Aftermath were:

The strident defense of the September 8 Segment by CBS News without adequately probing whether any of the questions raised had merit;

Allowing many of the same individuals who produced and vetted the by-then controversial September 8 Segment to also produce the follow-up news reports defending the Segment;

The inaccurate press statements issued by CBS News after the broadcast of the Segment that the source of the documents was “unimpeachable” and that experts had vouched for their authenticity;

The misleading stories defending the Segment that aired on the CBS Evening News after September 8 despite strong and multiple indications of serious flaws;

The efforts by 60 Minutes Wednesday to find additional document examiners who would vouch for the authenticity of the documents instead of identifying the best examiners available regardless of whether they would support this position; and

Preparing news stories that sought to support the Segment, instead of providing accurate and balanced coverage of a raging controversy...


CBSNews: Obama birth certificate release won't kill "birther" movement (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20057958-503544.html)

Even before President Obama released his long-form birth certificate Wednesday morning, it was obvious to anyone who had examined the evidence that the president was born in the United States...

The conservative news aggregator The Drudge Report is asking in its headlines, "is it real?" and "Composed of layers?"

[keehah]

The New American: Challenge to President Obama's Eligibility to be Heard by 9th Circuit Court (http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/7235-challenge-to-president-obamas-eligibility-to-be-heard-by-9th-circuit-court)


Arguments in one of the lawsuits challenging Barack Obama’s eligibility to be President of the United States has finally worked its way through the California court system and will be heard by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals on May 2.

“I can’t believe it, but after two years of Obama litigation, for the first time the court of appeals scheduled oral argument in [the] Obama case,” said Orly Taitz, a California attorney who has litigated a number of challenges to Obama.

In this complaint, Taitz represents co-plaintiffs, who include former Ambassador and presidential candidate Alan Keyes, 10 state Representatives, and 30 members of the military.

An attorney representing another group of plaintiffs in a case that was joined to the Taitz case expressed joy at the circuit court’s announcement, saying he was “pleased we’re going to have a chance to argue this issue before the 9th Circuit. We hope they see the merit in the constitutional arguments.”

Attorneys for the defense aver that the plaintiffs lack standing: If anyone has suffered damages from President Obama’s alleged ineligibility due to his not being a “natural born citizen” per Article II of the Constitution, it is the nation at large and not the named plaintiffs.

http://www.theoilage.com/birthing-the-release-of-the-hounds-of-hell-t3307.html

[Heimdhal]

Funny they "finaly" come around to hearing appeals just days after the alleged "long form BC" is released. :oo-->

[vacuum]

Birth Certificate: Pixels Don't Lie

http://www.henrymakow.com/birth_certificate_pixels_dont.html

http://i56.tinypic.com/n1xnch.jpg

WTF?

[vacuum]

Is there ANY software or algorithm on the planet that automatically creates images with variable pixel sizes?

[mamboni]

I really wish these websites and videos weren't latching onto those pixel / anti-aliasing / color / chroma aberrations inconsistencies.

What you're looking at doesn't prove anything at all. The guys making the videos are mistaken about this being conclusive evidence of editing.

Smoke and mirrors, dog and pony show - as bad as you might want to believe it, the inconsistencies were all probably completely legitimately produced, imo. It didn't go out like that by mistake. It's completely ridiculous to think that this was something that "slipped by."


Sorry friend, but you are flat out wrong. That BC is a heavily doctored fraud. There is absolutely no doubt that it is a forgery. Whether or not it "slipped by" the POTUS is on record as espousing it. We have a sitting President who has publically taken ownership of a legal document that is a blatant baldfaced fraud. The numerous edits of the signatures, and the typefaces are de facto forgery.

It is a sad day in America when the highest law enforcement officer in the land has publically foisted a fraud on the American people and not one senator, congressman or governor has called him on it.

[keehah]

I'm sorry, mamboni, but nothing about the different color depths and aliasing are de facto forgery.

Give an example example of what could be acceptable to you evidence of de facto forgery.

Some parts scanned in colour, some in black and white, some with smaller pixels, some with larger pixels, some parts painted on in solid pure colour.

The layers have layers, about 70 in all one person showed. The different layers are showing edits, adding numbers and playing with signatures and dates in the exact places needed to forge the birth certificate.

It basically documents much of crime except perhaps for a time stamp. Even much of the early erasing work can be seen by new layers filling in part of the form that the original was already typed or signed over.

___________


http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/05/01/Obama-jokes-about-birth-certificate/UPI-54411304224041/#ixzz1L4yg9lJf

WASHINGTON, May 1 (UPI) -- President Obama's birth certificate took center stage during his appearance Saturday night at the White House Correspondents Dinner in Washington.

"Now, I know that he's taken some flak lately, but no one is prouder to put this birth certificate matter to rest than The Donald," Obama said. "And that's because he can finally get back to focusing on the issues that matter, like, 'Did we fake the moon landing?' 'What really happened on Roswell?' And 'Where are Biggie and Tupac?'"

[mamboni]

Mamboni. Friend. Nothing about the different color depths and aliasing are conclusive evidence of forgery. I've been in digital media for the majority of my life, and there is no doubt in my mind that what we see in that .pdf could be legitimately explained. It is NOT conclusive.


You are wrong. I have logged hundreds of hours working with scanners and image editing software, mainly photoshop and some Illustrator. The different pixelations and colorations in the signatures alone are extreme and I have never seen any scanning algorithm cause these discrete artifacts, ever. For example, Ms. Dunham's signature was clearly edited digitally and the latter portion shows strikingly different pixelation from the beginning. These differing pixelations correlate perfectly with the discrete layers, undeniable evidence of editing. There are issues with wrong fonts. There are so many artifacts caused by editing that to question this BC is a forgery is moronic - it doesn't get more blatant than this document. As for those who claim that Illustrator 's OCR function created the layers, that is not true. OCR interprets textual pixels, it does not alter them! I have used OCR on hundreds of documents and not once did it alter the original digital scan version. OCR creates a separate Text file based on the software's interpretation of the pixel patterns.

[mamboni]

To those who claim that Illustrator created these layers and pixel artifacts, there is a simple experiment to test it. Print out the .PDF of Obama's BC in the highest resolution on a high resolution inkjet with at least 2400 dpi (this is high enough to perfectly duplicate an analog printout). Now rescan the hard copy printout with OCR turned on if you wish. If you open the scan in Illustrator you will get one layer image. And you will not be able to resolve the pixel differences noted in the signatures on the original BC.

[mamboni]

Watch this video - this guy nails it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMLdrrC1-xs&feature=related

The character B from two occurrences of the typewritten word "OBAMA" are perfect exact matches, down to the pixel. This is impossible if the .PDF represents a scan of a typewritten hardcopy document for two important reasons:

1. Typewritten letters vary because of user differences in pressure used, differences in the ribbon (which is different for every letter) and differences in the paper.

2. The scanner will not produce the exact same pixel pattern even when scanning the same letter from different parts of the document, because of slight variations in the alignement and luminence of the scanner's LEDs and optics.

[vacuum]

Mamboni - what you posted + the different sized pixels definitively proves this is an altered document. End of discussion.

[mamboni]

The country of Kenya did not exist in 1961 it was called "British East Africa Protectora*te".

The hospital stated was not named Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecologi*cal Hospital until 1978, Before that it was two hospitals , one was "KauiKeola*ni Children's Hospital" the other was, "Kapi'olan*i Maternity Home", They merged in 1978 to become Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecologi*cal Hospital.

So how did it get here on this supposed 1961 document?

[keehah]

A well deserved rant.
The videos he links have been posted earlier in this thread.

Obama birth certificate is just as authentic as the money supply, the food supply and Obamacare (http://www.naturalnews.com/032217_Obama_birth_certificate.html#ixzz1L53O9Ram)

Thursday, April 28, 2011 by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger Editor of NaturalNews.com

(NaturalNews) The Birthers just don't know when to quit, do they? Now that the White House has released President Obama's birth certificate, the case is now closed, but they just won't stop ranting about it. Why are these birthers still complaining?

They claim the birth certificate document is a fake. Why does that matter? But of course the document is a fake. It's not "merely" fake; it's so fake that the whole thing has become an IQ test for figuring out how many people can be so easily fooled by a fake (http://www.prisonplanet.com (http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-obama-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery.html).). If I turned in a document like this as part of an effort to get a home loan, for example, and I assembled it layer by layer with obvious cutting and pasting of numbers from multiple sources in order to fake my reported income levels, I would be guilty of a felony crime. At the very least, I would be laughed out of the room. "Are you kidding me? This is your best attempt at falsifying an income statement?" they would say. Even a high school kid with a scanner and Photoshop knows how to make a more convincing forgery than this... (MarketTicker)

For an explanation of why it's all so obviously a fake, watch this: (RestoreConstitution8)

But I ask the far more important question: Does it matter that it's a fake in the first place? Given that most of the U.S. government's job statistics are fake, and that the U.S. dollar is being counterfeited on a daily basis by the Fed, and that virtually the entire U.S. economy is built on fake "abundance" that's really just more debt spending... isn't it is some way actually more authentic to have a President at the helm who faked his birth certificate?

It's almost like he's more qualified for the job, you see, running the fake economy with fake dollars while the mainstream media distributes all the fake news. And then in between the fake news bits, the advertisers come on and promote their fake foods, and fake pharmaceuticals which are approved based on faked science approved by FDA regulators who are faking it, too.

Couples are now artificially fertilized (fake conception!), and when their children are born, they feed them fake milk (infant formula). They grow up on fake sweeteners and fake (artificial) colors. In school, they're taught fake U.S. history so that they have fake ideas of how the world really works. When they're old enough, they get to participate in faked voting schemes where the winners are already determined.

And thanks to the internet, we live in a world of fake friends, fake emotions and fake sex. Football games are played on fake grass, and today's "reality" TV shows are all faked, too. Professional wrestling is fake (but MMA isn't), and most of the news consumed by the masses is entirely fabricated. Even the science behind most of modern medicine is faked, fabricated or twisted around in order to get the results the drug companies want to see.

And oh yeah, the drugs are faked, too, especially the antidepressants which appear to work only because of the Placebo Effect -- which is real, even though it only exists in the mind.

We need more leaders who embrace fakery

For the most part, we are fake people living in a fake world engaged in fake interactions. So why shouldn't we have a fake President with a fake birth certificate to top it all off?

I don't know what the problem is here with the obviously fake birth certificate. Of course it's a fake. But isn't that what we vote for when we vote for any president? After all, presidential election campaigns are all about making fake promises uttered with fake smiles as part of faked speeches that are actually written by somebody else and read on the teleprompter.

In fact, I would argue that Obama's faked birth certificate makes him more authentic than any other President in American history. It is precisely this mastery of fakery that has allowed Obama to deliver fake health care reform, faked world peace (new war on Libya!), and faked preparedness (radioactive fallout from Fukushima? Don't prepare!)

It's perfect for a nation of fake people who live in fake houses with the fake stonework plastered onto the front to make them look as if they were built out of stone. The people go get their cosmetic surgery and botox (faked youth!) so they can meet new fake people and pursue their fake relationships with faked orgasms. Their profiles on Facebook are completely faked; their resumes handed in at prospective employers are faked; and even their apparent "wealth" is faked because they're neck-deep in debt on that luxury car parked in the driveway of the luxury house they can't afford.

At work, they fake like they're getting something done so that they can receive a paycheck that's also largely faked because it's denominated in fake dollars which are deposited in a fake (electronic) bank account so that the money can be multiplied and leveraged in order for the bank to keep creating more fake currency in the form of loans handed out to people who faked their credit history and lied on their loan applications. But who cares? As long as we all fake it together, the system works!

So we go shopping with our fake money and we buy fake "fashion" jeans with fake holes already pre-fabricated right into the pant legs, and we purchase our colognes and perfumes made with fake chemical fragrances that try to put a fake smell on our bodies so that we can meet other fake people who wear their own faked chemical smells to try to fool us into thinking they smell like fresh flowers and honey when, in reality, they stink like a country goat.

They use cosmetics to fake their skin health, and hair implants to fake their hair growth. Young girls are wearing fake contact lenses to fake their pupil dilation as fakes sign of faked sexual arousal. This is designed to get a rise out of their fake date partner who takes them to a fake restaurant to order fake food grown from fake (GMO) seeds and fertilizers with fake soils (made out of composted human sewage) which is contaminated with fake hormones (HRT drugs) and other drugs.

And the next morning they'll wake up and share a bowl of faked blueberries in their faked breakfast cereals. Those have been faked, too, as shown in my video, "The Blueberry Deception."

[mamboni]

I have logged hundreds of hours working with scanners and image editing software, mainly photoshop and some Illustrator.

Awesome! Let's analyze this together, then, I'm sure we'll agree on something.

You almost certainly have more experience with OCR than I, and you no doubt know how to operate Photoshop :) so a good discussion can be had, here.

First thing I question is what's going on with the fact that it's a scan/copy which is printed on safety paper. Notice the curve on the left side, and the shadow that accompanies it is smoot. With that in mind, would you not say that someone or some software would be keying out the white, perhaps based on luma? Alternatively, do you know of any scanning software that might perhaps be recognizing some of the scanned image as text, and other portions of it as an image? What in your opinion best explains the replication of the shadow along the curve which is reminiscent of an open book on a copy machine?

Next we have portions that are basically "2-channel", that is, either black or white, and we have portions that are like an image scan with what amounts to anti-aliasing to smooth edges. Are you saying that there is a professional image editor/artist out there (let's be real, .gov isn't going to have nephew Tommy working on this) that is going to mix the two of these when doctoring it? Come on now. This is either on purpose or is a byproduct of some software's interpretation of what's going on on the page.

It is also my opinion that it is possible that "These differing pixelations correlate perfectly with the discrete layers" because of some software's interpretation of what it is seeing in the scan.

If you wish to contend that these anomalies are edits, then you must also believe that the editor made no attempt to cover any tracks, and you must then also believe that everyone assigned to review it, doublecheck it, etc. also are certified buffoons, and not professional editors. This thing is being picked apart by kids on YouTube. I mean no offense, but the only people I see that are so sure that these are edits that someone messed up on are amateurs. There isn't an image editing professional out there that would do this kind of work. I could create spot on digital forgeries of documents at the age of 15, signature and all, and my current neighbor's 12 year old son who only hobbies in Photoshop would do a better job of covering this up. The people critiquing this on YouTube and the people latching on, in my opinion, know nothing of this subject matter.

Lastly, the layers bit. If this was an edited document with all of the layers saved, there would be a whole lot more layers than just what we see there. Someone who knows what they're doing would have a whole lot more finesse in their presentation of this doc. The few layers that we see, because, they coincide with the differences in color depth, are one thousand times more easily explained as created by the software's interpretation than by a document forger.

This .pdf did not go out like this on accident.

There is no way a document forger created those "edits" !!! The whole idea, to me, is preposterous! Laughably bad!


Basically, your entire premise is that the document is so botched with so many anomalies that the government could not possibly have altered it on purpose. You are hell bent on explaining these anomalies away by assigning magical powers to the computer algorithms that ‘interpreted’ the bitmap of the scan. Just carry out the experiment I suggest and you will have your answer. Did you not view the last video I posted from Youtube exposing letter Bs with absolute perfect pixel matchs? Are you seriously going to argue that this is not conclusive proof of digital alteration of the document?

[vacuum]

Mamboni - what you posted + the different sized pixels definitively proves this is an altered document. End of discussion.


*smacks forehead*

Just going by the data, no matter how preposterous it seems. If someone can give an explanation of different sized pixels, and also an order-of-magnitude chance of two characters being identical, I'm absolutely willing to listen. It should be a relatively strait forward calculation to determine the chance of two letters being identical, given the number of pixels. One could also take a real document and scan for identical letters to determine how often it happens in the real world.

I've never heard of differing pixel sizes in my life. Perhaps someone could explain that one.

Edit: one possibility is that some parts of the document were run through a filter, like an edge detector. That would make some characters solid, and could theoretically change pixel sizes, I suppose. I've never heard of it though.

[keehah]

Do you believe that there is no software out there that will scan documents and reprint some portions it sees through OCR as letters in 2-channel (such as typeface) and other portions it believes are images (such as signatures) in full depth?
Link posted above where this was done and did not cause what is observed in the whitehouse document.
And that anomalies in colors of typeface might be separated onto layers?
Fringing (and pixel size) in the scanned numbers and signatures added to the main documents are from different artwork. Some of the letters are not even colors (just a single color).
f that is what you believe then I think you want too badly this to be a botched forgery.
Want too badly? Like if a murderer has means motive and opportunity, was on location at the time of the murder, found with blood on him, one should let the person go free because perhaps its a possibility another person could have snuck in and done it.
And its not a botched forgery to those it fools.

If one suggested enough monkeys with enough typewriters and scanners and random (software) OCR layering could have created this document by accident. I'd disagree.


I just don't know how you can contend that this doc is a botched forgery that slipped through the .gov cracks. That's preposterous!
Well my friend, while I expect great incompetence from near all men in sociopathic work at any time, especially those in large corportions, especially if government is involved, I did not say I content it just slipped through the .gov cracks.

[Neuro]

They claim the birth certificate document is a fake. Why does that matter? But of course the document is a fake. It's not "merely" fake; it's so fake that the whole thing has become an IQ test for figuring out how many people can be so easily fooled by a fake (http://www.prisonplanet.com (http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-obama-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery.html).). If I turned in a document like this as part of an effort to get a home loan, for example, and I assembled it layer by layer with obvious cutting and pasting of numbers from multiple sources in order to fake my reported income levels, I would be guilty of a felony crime. At the very least, I would be laughed out of the room. "Are you kidding me? This is your best attempt at falsifying an income statement?" they would say. Even a high school kid with a scanner and Photoshop knows how to make a more convincing forgery than this... (MarketTicker)

This is but one of my points, mamboni, but it is a big one. I just don't know how you can contend that this doc is a botched forgery that slipped through the .gov cracks. That's preposterous! There are no words that can describe how unbelievable that is to me.
It is just a game, checking what preposterous lies they can get away with. It is just like the people who invents preposterous theories as to why WTC7 fell at free fall speed, instead of acknowledging that it was demolished. Don't believe your own lying eyes, big brother will take care of you, get back in line, take your meds...

Why doesn't MSM report on this? None, nothing, even the possibility that the birth certificate is fake (which is obvious) should warrant media investigation... No?

[keehah]

Sorry, took your post at face value and assumed you were looking for answers or clarification to your questions.

[Neuro]

It is just a game, checking what preposterous lies they can get away with. It is just like the people who invents preposterous theories as to why WTC7 fell at free fall speed, instead of acknowledging that it was demolished. Don't believe your own lying eyes, big brother will take care of you, get back in line, take your meds...

Why doesn't MSM report on this? None, nothing, even the possibility that the birth certificate is fake (which is obvious) should warrant media investigation... No?


I don't disagree at all that this is possibly another testing the waters bit. They do that all the time.

And I'd have to presume .gov is going to have to figure out some sort of explanation for the .pdf as it sits, because so many people so quickly are looking at it with gigantic WTF eyes.

I mean, seriously... it's a huge WTF is going on here. Games, games, games.
I don't think .gov will try and explain anything. They don't need to when MSM is silent. Who cares what a group of insane bloggers thinks?

Chirp, chirp, chirp....

[Neuro]

Dizzying trips down the rabbit hole...

[Glass]

I don't think its unfathomable at all. After all look at all the fake Osama's they took video of and claimed was the real deal.

[mamboni]

Obama's White House finds a birth certificate that the Governor of Hawaii could not. Isn't that special!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fm_FA7FslA&feature=related

[vacuum]

Can something that bad come from .gov?

Obviously, it is an intentional thing, if what we're seeing is what we think it is. Reasons for it to be intentional are:
1) A true forgery could not be made because it would be too difficult. Therefore, making one so ridiculous will cause any questions about forgery to be shrugged off as quack theories and given no credibility. Do we here anything from experts of PhDs right now? No, we are seeing videos by teenagers. How can an expert's opinion which is the same as hundreds of teenagers and people with pirated software have credibility?

2) This is designed to cause a race war. When the average black person hears Obama is being impeached because he is "ineligible" and "not qualified", it will cause rage. They won't understand or care what the reason is. He's served 4 years so far, but now he is being forced out? Because of the complete accept or deny reaction due to reason (1), there is no middle-of-the-road position, it is completely polarizing. There is no academic position, its a simple yes or no.

[Son-of-Liberty]

Haven't read through the whole thread but it is obvious this is a shoddy forgery. I looked at it and can tell it has been altered many times, my girlfriend who is a graphic designer agreed that it was a fake and she could do a better job forging the document.

I don't think they care that it is an obvious forgery. It will be enough to convince the sheep that he is legit. No matter how good they made it, it would not convince most of us and we would eventually find some sign of forgery anyway. So they slap it together and then get Barry to grandstand about how this is the proof and the media goes along with it. Good enough for the 95% of people that won't bother to look into the issue and will just take MSM's word about what is going on in the world.

[Book]

It's. That. Bad. Can something that bad come from .gov?



http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/911%20Cover-up/funny%20report.jpg

Americans will believe anything.

:oo-->

[Half Sense]

Anyone now claiming this BC is a crude fake will get shouted off the air and probably dragged away in chains. Nobody will care about the evidence.

[keehah]

Anyone now claiming this BC is a crude fake will get shouted off the air and probably dragged away in chains. Nobody will care about the evidence.


The modern press with Zombies In denial as Zionist Inquisition.

But they want everybody to expect the Zionist Inquisition.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT18IHoCsMtIwqK7Nhdn39Aot_IHLiWm QantLgY1fq7YQycv2qjJA

[madfranks]

If you wish to contend that these anomalies are edits, then you must also believe that the editor made no attempt to cover any tracks, and you must then also believe that everyone assigned to review it, doublecheck it, etc. also are certified buffoons, and not professional editors.



They're just as imbecilic to have this PDF as the final copy to be released to the public and not think to themselves, "hmm, maybe we should flatten this down so it doesn't have all the retained layers in it, people might take that as evidence of forgery". If it were a genuine document, they're just as idiotic for releasing it as they did.



This is but one of my points, mamboni, but it is a big one. I just don't know how you can contend that this doc is a botched forgery that slipped through the .gov cracks. That's preposterous! There are no words that can describe how unbelievable that is to me.


Come on, a lot of old timers, you know, the ones in charge, don't know the first thing about how to do a job like this one. Maybe the guy who put the document together wanted to release something so obviously fake in an act of intentional sabotage. And he was counting on the ignorance of his superiors to get it by them. I work professionally with many graphics programs including photoshop and illustrator, and I'd be able to slip stuff like this across my boss without him knowing it.

[mamboni]

Layer upon layer: Opening Obama's birth certificate in Adobe Illustrator

By Michael Bates on April 27, 2011 9:40 PM | Permalink | Comments (9) | TrackBacks (0)


I haven't commented previously about the Obama birth certificate issue. My problems with the president involve his policies, not his place of birth. My guess was that there was something embarrassing on the long-form birth certificate that didn't appear on the certification of live birth that he released earlier.

And now the White House has posted on its website a PDF containing what purports to be a scan of a certified copy of the birth certificate of Barack Hussein Obama, II.

I say "purports" because there are some weird things about it. It's not strange that it's a PDF, rather than an image file, like a JPEG, BMP, PNG, or TIFF. Many scanners generate a PDF by default.

A tweet from Jim Hoft of Gateway Pundit alerted me to some oddities with the document. I downloaded a copy of the PDF directly from the White House website, at this URL:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

The metadata in the file is strange: It indicates that it had been processed in some way by Adobe Illustrator.

I happen to have Illustrator, so I opened the birth certificate PDF in Illustrator and followed the process outlined by Mara Zebest, coauthor of a book on Photoshop:

1. Select the entire document (Ctrl-A)
2. Object | Clipping Mask | Release
3. Repeat step 2 until Release is no longer an option.

When I did it, I could only do step 2 once after which Release was grayed out. But the result was the same: Boxes outlining eight parts of the document as separate objects and one box surrounding it all.

Reopening the original file again, I found that all I had to do was open the file in Illustrator and click using the Selection tool, and I could see all the box elements. In the layers box, there is one layer, composed of one group, which in turn is composed of 9 groups and a clipping mask. Each of those 9 groups is composed of an image and a clipping mask.

After following the above steps 1 and 2, all the clipping masks were converted to paths and the layer was composed of 9 groups and a path, with no intermediate path. Each individual component image could then be made invisible, using the layer dialog.

The nine components:

1.Tiny fragments the same color as the safety paper pattern on the top edge just left of center
2.Tiny fragments the same color as the safety paper pattern on the top edge just above the certification date
3.The letters "Non" from the word None in box 17a.
4."AUG - 8 196" - part of a stamped date in box 20.
5."AUG - 8" and the digit 6 in 1961in box 22.
6."APR 25 2011" at the bottom left of the page.
7.The certification stamp of the state registrar at the bottom right.
8.Most of the remaining typed letters on the form, the handwritten dates, and the last half of Ann Dunham Obama's name.
9.Everything else -- the safety paper pattern, with white ghosts or haloes around the letters were first half of Ann Stanley Obama's signature, the signature of the Physician, all but one letter of the original registrar's signature, the form grid, and scattered letters -- the R in Barack, the K in Kenya, the S in Stanley, the last digit of the sequence number in the upper left of the page, and the handwritten numbers (which look like coding for statistical purposes)
Here's the ninth image -- what's left after the top 8 images are turned off (click the half-size thumbnail to view 997 KB full-size PNG -- I exported it from Illustrator at the same 72dpi resolution as the White House PDF):



I have no idea whether this is evidence of tampering, but it certainly looks different than other scanned PDFs in my possession. For example, here's a scanof ethics filings by Tulsans for Better Government (earlier incarnation of the rule-or-ruin bunch now known as Save Our Tulsa). Like the birth certificate, it's a form -- a mixture of pre-printed text and handwritten text. Opening that file in Illustrator shows what you'd expect -- one image (the entire form) in one group in one layer. Metadata reveals the model of scanner that produced the image (Toshiba e-STUDIO 353).

There's one other odd thing about this birth certificate: There is a sequence number in the upper left corner, which appears to have been produced by a hand stamp, perhaps the sort that automatically advances. The number on Obama's certificate is 61 10641. The sequence number on the certificate of Susan Elizabeth Nordyke, born at the same hospital the following day, is 61 10637. Obama's certificate was accepted by the Registrar General on August 8; Nordyke's was accepted on August 11. How can a certificate processed three days later have a lower sequence number? I'm making an assumption that the sequence number was applied when the certificate was received by the registrar; that assumption could be incorrect.

Does this mean I think President Obama was born in Kenya or is ineligible to be president? No. But I don't understand why Obama would release an image that appears to have been edited or processed in some way, especially given the long-standing controversy over the document which began three years ago during his bitter primary struggle with Hillary Clinton.

MORE: KRMG reports that Tulsa IT professional Scott Grizzle notes that several aspects of the document "don't pass the smell test." KRMG has audio of a conversation with Grizzle and pictures of the various digital pieces of which the document appears to be composed. I've known Scott for several years, and he's as far from an extremist in temperament and ideology as you can get.

http://www.batesline.com/archives/2011/04/layer-upon-layer-opening-obamas.html

[mamboni]

A key reply from the author to a blogger claiming that the software created the layers:

Michael Bates said:
Sid, the White House PDF had no OCR information -- there's no selectable text, so if it had been OCRed, all that text was removed at a later step in the process. Why would someone do that?

Gar, I tried that myself on the scanned forms from the City Clerk's office. Optimizing didn't create separate images or layers.

from the link above.

[JohnQPublic]

Attorneys Fly in to Aid Ramona Lawyer in Fight Over President's Eligibility (http://ramona.patch.com/articles/obamas-birth-certificate-gary-kreep-conservative-ramona-attorney-continues-fight)
Gary Kreep will address the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Pasadena on Monday, representing American Independent Party members.

By Julie Pendray | Email the author | April 29, 2011

Ramona attorney Gary Kreep will continue to fight for a chance for the court to hear his case regarding whether or not Barack Obama is eligible to be president, in spite of the president's release of a document considered to be a U.S. birth certificate. Gary Kreep says Monday will include the most important 10 minutes of his life.

The Ramona resident has practiced constitutional law since 1975. At age 60, he says he has dedicated his whole life to it.

When he steps into the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Pasadena on Monday, he'll ask a panel of three judges for a chance to show evidence that the president of the United States isn't eligible for the job. He'll argue that Barack Obama wasn't born in this country and that the plaintiffs in his case—members of the American Independent Party—didn't get a fair shake in the 2008 presidential election.

The case was dismissed in the U.S. District Court in Santa Ana in 2009, and the appeal has been on the calendar for two months, Kreep said.

Other attorneys around the country have filed eligibility related cases, but Kreep told Ramona Patch that his is different.

“It's the only case in the country that has been allowed to proceed to oral arguments,” he said.

Others have been dismissed on procedural issues or for lack of merit, Kreep said. He said he can't speculate why his case has progressed this far but that the appellate judges must have found merit in it.

Many Americans believe the argument about the president's birthplace should end with the release of what appears to be his long-form birth certificate this week, according to news reports.

Kreep doesn't agree.

“We don't know whether it's a real birth certificate until our forensic expert has a chance to look at the original,” he said. “All we can go by is what's on the White House website, which looks like a combination of several documents. Computers are too good these days.”

Kreep said the issue of Obama's birthplace was raised in 2004 during the Senate race and again in 2007. He wonders why the president didn't release his birth certificate back then instead of allowing the expenditure of taxpayers' dollars on legal cases like this.

Asked why he thinks an elected official might keep details of his birth hidden, Kreep said, “Arrogance, stupidity.”

Kreep is executive director of the conservative United States Justice Foundation, a nonprofit group he founded in Escondido with two other attorneys in 1979. The foundation has helped fund six similar legal cases around the country. Kreep said his average donors are “ordinary people who give about $30 each.” They send him donations from all over the country, he said.

Is the high profile and controversial issue making Kreep nervous?

“No,” he said Thursday afternoon, as he prepared to spend the weekend working with three other attorneys who are flying in to help him prepare for Monday. He declined to give their names. He did say, however, that a forensic expert in documents, Sandra Lines, will fly in from Arizona.

Kreep is representing Wiley Drake and Markham Robinson in the case. Drake was the vice presidential nominee for the American Independent Party in 2008, according to Kreep's legal brief for Monday's hearing. Robinson was the chairman of the party and a pledged presidential elector for the party in California in 2008.

Another candidate, Alan Keyes, represented by attorney Orly Taitz of Rancho Santa Margarita, was the presidential nominee for the American Independent Party.

Oral arguments for the two eligibility cases will be heard together Monday. Each attorney is allowed 10 minutes to talk.

Taitz represented more than 40 plaintiffs when she took the original case to the U.S. District Court in Santa Ana in 2009. Markham and Robinson removed themselves from the case and sought a new attorney. They found Kreep. Taitz later told the court that there were “irreconcilable differences” between her and Kreep, according to Kreep's brief.

The judge ruled that the federal trial court doesn't have jurisdiction to rule on the eligibility issue.

Ramona Patch asked Kreep how he would answer some of the public criticism that people who continue to question the president's eligibility are racist or that they just won't let the issue drop, even in the face of what is considered to be a complete birth certificate?

“I grew up in a black neighborhood in San Francisco,” Kreep said. “I don't care if he's black. People are welcome to think whatever they want.”

Kreep attends Calvary Chapel church and said he's pro life, Republican and not a member of the Tea Party. He dismissed stereotypes about people who've questioned the president's eligibility for the office and said he doesn't consider himself a “birther.”

“And I don't care if Obama's a Christian or a Muslim.”

Those aren't the issues, he said.

Does he support the Tea Party? Some of the people involved in other legal cases against the president have received support from the party.

“It depends. There are lots of Tea parties. I agree with some of them and not with others,” he said.

On Monday, the courtroom is expected to be packed to hear the oral arguments in the appeal. Court staff are telling the public to come early to get a seat. The hearing is the third one on the 9 a.m. calendar.

Kreep said he doesn't know if Ramona residents will be there.

“Hardly anyone knows about it,” he said.

But sometimes he gets death threats from strangers by email, he said.

Does it bother him?

“No. With a name like mine, I'm used to it,” Kreep said.

Kreep ends each phone call in his office with, “God bless you.” In his spare time, he said, he likes to collect antique sports cards. He said he wasn't always a Republican; he was quite liberal in college and has sometimes voted for Democrats. He moved his office to Ramona, he said, because he was able to buy office space instead of renting it.

He said there are several issues regarding the president's citizenship.

"He said he traveled to Pakistan in the 1980s, but on what kind of passport? He said he didn't have a U.S. passport until he was senator in 2004,” Kreep said.

He lists among his successful cases those against school districts over illegal fees they were charging students to take part in cheerleading or to travel to play sports. Although constitutional law is his emphasis, he also does family and business law.

The appellate court will not issue a decision on Monday, Kreep said, but will take an indeterminate length of time to issue a decision. If the panel of judges decides the case can indeed be tried in the U.S. District Court, he expects the U.S. Justice Department to try to block it by filing a writ in the Supreme Court.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals is at 125 S. Grand Ave., Pasadena 91105. For directions, click here.

[ShortJohnSilver]

It is a distraction meanto to waste your time ... here you guys are, getting worked up over what?

A long-form birth certificate?

No, that is what the media is lying-by-omission about ... this is another Certificate of Live Birth, not the same thing.

[Ash_Williams]

I don't doubt what you are saying. Certainly when publishing a text document in MS Word, releasing it as a non-editable .PDF makes sense. But a physical document like a birth certificate, though textual in content, is in essence a graphic document, an image. It makes sense to release it as a simple bitmap file such as .BMP or .TIFF. Releasing this BC as .PDF is just fanning the flames of controversy and needlessly begging the question of authenticity.

I think they released it this way because their website has that fancy embedded pdf viewer that can zoom and scroll.

I scanned over the replies:

Hospital name could very well have been that at the time. It matches another 1961 certificate. It does not match the 1978 name like everyone keeps claiming so has NOTHING TO DO WITH 1978 OR A MERGER.

Two B's can totally come out exactly the same when you scan. Why are people asking the odds as if this were impossible? The lower quality your scan, the better the odds.

The form number makes total sense, don't know why people are getting caught up on that. They don't make you line up to fill out your paperwork in order of when your kid was born.

If the layers on the PDF are from forging it, then the forger was certainly getting paid by the hour because they make no sense given the goal of forging the damn thing! "Hmm, lets see, I'll make one layer with some lighter letters of a date... but I'll put a darker letter at the end in another layer just for kicks.. oh hell I'll take three letters from this other word and make them lighter too... yeah that'll be cool."

I mean if they forged it there should be a single layer for the dates, for the signature, for anything else that was forged. Not weird layers with partial information in them. And when you create layers, it doesn't magically destroy the background beneath them and turn it white... that's kinda the point of layers...

This makes absolutely zero sense as a forged PDF.

[jbeck57143]

From one of Devvy Kidd's email alerts (April 29):

"One thing I forgot to include not posted on my site. Some of you might not remember when the first alleged BC was released a man named Dr. Ron Pollard did a forensics analysis and concluded it absolutely was a forgery. Dr. Pollard has the credentials in that field to be credible and not some Obama hater. This is a site which contains his exhaustive research and conclusions as well as his formidable background:



http://www.theobamafile.com/_eligibility/PolarikInvestigation.htm


Dr. Pollard has examined the "new" birth certificate and concluded it is also a forgery:


http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/28/dr-ron-polland-evaluates-obamas-birth-certificate/


Dr. Pollard's work is at a level not seen in most of the videos on line. Hopefully, you can make time over the weekend to look at the two links above because that man knows his field.


A journalist I know sent me email about the other BC that popped up today on the Aloha web site here:


http://alohareporter.com/2010/03/hawaii-considering-law-to-ignore-obama-birthers/


Many believe that posting is a trap.


So, we have a BC released by the White House that has questionable data and a missing section for a doctors signature.


Today, we have what appears to be an old cached posting which has data that is consistent with a real BC and appears to be genuine, but how would it ever get posted on that site?


Alice in Wonderland and the Looking Glass.


Put fake data on the official document. Put factual data on a fake and make sure it gets seen a couple of days after the fake one is released.


Last night I was a guest on Jeff Rense Radio. I mentioned someone emailed me a quip that the registrar's name on the BC released by the White House is Ukalalee. I told Jeff it might look that way because of Hawaiian names unfamiliar to us mainanders.


During the break, I hit on Worldnetdaily and what did I see? I new posting which included a comment about the new BC having a registrar's name as standard joker's signature - Uk a lalee.


You could have knocked me over with a feather."

[Uncle Salty]

Aside from the twin B's, it seems very unbelievable that a document forger would do such things.


I disagree.

Here is how I think it went down. Some agency or Obama minion decided a forgery was necessary. So, the help of a graphic designer was sought. The designer said, yeah I'll do this for you. But the problem was, they went to an American graphic designer, not a Mossad one. Now, even if this graphic designer was some CIA spook or NSA guy or even an Obamabot, he/she still has a conscience. I think the designer started to think about the whole forgery and realized that if they wanted a fake birth certificate, it meant Obama is a fake and no way was he/she going to be a part of that. So, he/she did the job, but left the back door open for all to see. Conscience clear!

This birth certificate was not a scan. Scans have blue and red halos around the image edges due to the optics of the scan. There are none of those in this document, which means this document was created as a PDF, but never printed out and then scanned back as a PDF. See the difference? This birth certificate is simply a digital creation. If you scan the birth certificate as a PDF yourself and then open it back up and zoom in, you will see these halos around the images of the letters. Again, this was not a scan but simply a digital document.

But all will be forgotten because OBL is dead.

[Ash_Williams]

^ I agree. But the odds of those two B's coming out exactly alike, pixel for pixel, are pretty stacked, especially when you overlay the whole word and see how different the other letters are. But you're right, it's definitely a possibility, so once again it's absolutely not conclusive proof of anything.

I found the ones he's talking about.

I wish people would put up an effing website rather than make everything into a youtube video that you can't always watch... anyway...

Yeah they are exact and they aren't all that low-quality. If you figure the average letter differs by 15 - 25 pixels from another occurrence of it then you're looking at around 1 in a million odds of it happening. Very odd. Certainly there are nowhere near a million B's on the document so this isn't expected by random change. But then... why reuse a B? You can make a totally distinct O_AMA but the "B" was too hard? If they're that crappy, how'd they get the background behind the B right?

Not sure what to say on this one.


This birth certificate was not a scan. Scans have blue and red halos around the image edges due to the optics of the scan. There are none of those in this document, which means this document was created as a PDF, but never printed out and then scanned back as a PDF. See the difference? This birth certificate is simply a digital creation. If you scan the birth certificate as a PDF yourself and then open it back up and zoom in, you will see these halos around the images of the letters. Again, this was not a scan but simply a digital document.

I've never seen those on a scan of a piece of paper...

[sirgonzo420]

I went here: www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss.../birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

Selected the mother's signature line (one of many obviously doctored areas) and enlarged it, and added the notations in the image below.

As of this posting, the same pdf is available from the above posted link; this is an 'experiment' you can do at home!

http://www.imageno.com/image.php?id=epnw88g9bsli&kk=1346042956

[mamboni]

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5088/fakesig.png




The 'D' in Dunham shows pixelation typical of a scanned signature with grey scale turned on. The rest of signature, 'unham' shows solid black and white pixelation which was either drawn directly by the software or derived from a scan using black and white pixel setting only. What's worse, these objects also show differing pixel resolution (i.e. disparate dpi). The only conclusion possible is that the 'D' and 'unham' had to come from separate processes/sources - they are as different as night and day - and prove that the document was edited, altered, contrived or whatever term applies. Regardless of the intent of the issuers, this heavily tainted digital document would never be accepted as authoritative in a court of law. And it certainly would not be accepted as a virgin bitmap scan of an authentic document.

[Uncle Salty]

[quote]
This makes absolutely zero sense as a forged PDF.


Last I checked, the world stopped making sense a long time ago.

The reason why is not important. The document is a forgery. Plain as day.

[sirgonzo420]

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5088/fakesig.png




The 'D' in Dunham shows pixelation typical of a scanned signature with grey scale turned on. The rest of signature, 'unham' shows solid black and white pixelation which was either drawn directly by the software or derived from a scan using black and white pixel setting only. What's worse, these objects also show differing pixel resolution (i.e. disparate dpi). The only conclusion possible is that the 'D' and 'unham' had to come from separate processes/sources - they are as different as night and day - and prove that the document was edited, altered, contrived or whatever term applies. Regardless of the intent of the issuers, this heavily tainted digital document would never be accepted as authoritative in a court of law. And it certainly would not be accepted as a virgin bitmap scan of an authentic document.


Agreed.

I had not initially considered that the "unham Obama" might have come from a setting of the scanner, but I find it highly unlikely and improbable that one setting (the grey scale) would be on for the "Ann D" part of the signature, at which point the setting switches to black/white, creating the effect we see here.

Occam's razor (along with eyeballs and common sense) tells us that this "birth certificate" is a completely authentic, genuine, piece of manufactured, doctored horseshit.

[Ash_Williams]

But it makes more sense to me that the software saved D and unham separately than a forger created them separately at different resolutions and colors and layers and also whited out the background behind them and then pasted them back on there just to waste time and make it look faker.

[mamboni]

But it makes more sense to me that the software saved D and unham separately than a forger created them separately at different resolutions and colors and layers and also whited out the background behind them and then pasted them back on there just to waste time and make it look faker.


Right, it is so obvious a fake that it just can't be a fake. :oo-->

Or, Obama didn't do it....the PC did it! Yeah, that's the ticket! ::)

After all, it's impossible for such simple mistakes to be made when several people are checking them, right?

[Horn]

Obama grandstands the phony birth certificate, to avoid the obvious fact that he himself is the phony.

[Ash_Williams]

Right, it is so obvious a fake that it just can't be a fake.

Or, Obama didn't do it....the PC did it! Yeah, that's the ticket!

Well to me the layers are understandable given that the computer did it. The only thing I can't reconcile is the B.

Is there any logical explanation for a human creating layers the way they were created? I've attached an image of what is truly stored for the bottom right date (it's actually been rotated 90 degrees as well) as opposed to how it shows up. Why would someone create that? Why include the pencil dash of all things while forging half a date?

[JohnQPublic]

Sounds like this was a 3-judge panel determinnig eligibility.

Orly Taitz Presses Obama Birther Argument in Pasadena Court (http://lakeforest-ca.patch.com/articles/orly-taitz-presses-birther-argument-in-pasadena-court)

Today’s hearing (http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=21252)Posted on | May 2, 2011 | No Comments

It seems that today’s hearing went well. The courtroom was full. There was a lot of media: Associated press, c-span, ABC, CBS, Los Angeles Times and others.

The judges were pleasant and polite. They seemed to understand that there is a problem with lack of vetting and that there was an abuse of judicial discretion, however there is no way of knowing. We’ll have to wait and see.

[Bullion_Bob]

Right, it is so obvious a fake that it just can't be a fake.

Or, Obama didn't do it....the PC did it! Yeah, that's the ticket!

Well to me the layers are understandable given that the computer did it. The only thing I can't reconcile is the B.

Is there any logical explanation for a human creating layers the way they were created? I've attached an image of what is truly stored for the bottom right date (it's actually been rotated 90 degrees as well) as opposed to how it shows up. Why would someone create that? Why include the pencil dash of all things while forging half a date?



Couldn't it also be possible that if you were going to forge a document you could very easily do it in the most convoluted, and confusing way imaginable, on purpose, to help obfuscate the issue of even further, and ironically lend the forgery credibility through confusion.

i.e. The forgery process itself makes no sense, as a good forger/photo editor would do it in a professionally consistent, and streamlined manner that appears logical.

Not necessarily so. It can easily play both ways, so you have to fall back on the document evidence itself, and leave the logic of why would anyone create something in such a manner as any sort of proof of it's legitimacy.

[Neuro]

It is illogical, so therefore it is more likely the computer did it, not a human? ;D LOL

[Horn]

Later it will be found that Obama himself was taking photoshop classes just recently over the internet.

[sirgonzo420]

wouldn't it be crazy if he were arrested?

no need to impeach; an unlawful 'president' cannot be "impeached"

just arrest the dude - people get arrested for lying on government forms all the time.

if someone is masquerading as 'president', I figure it's worth a set of handcuffs.

[Horn]

wouldn't it be crazy if he were arrested?

no need to impeach; an unlawful 'president' cannot be "impeached"

just arrest the dude - people get arrested for lying on government forms all the time.

if someone is masquerading as 'president', I figure it's worth a set of handcuffs.


It would have to be the military police, then it would be considered a coupe.

Unless they nail him on the golf course off duty... :)

[sirgonzo420]

wouldn't it be crazy if he were arrested?

no need to impeach; an unlawful 'president' cannot be "impeached"

just arrest the dude - people get arrested for lying on government forms all the time.

if someone is masquerading as 'president', I figure it's worth a set of handcuffs.


It would have to be the military police, then it would be considered a coupe.

Unless they nail him on the golf course off duty... :)



FORE!!!!!

[Ash_Williams]

Couldn't it also be possible that if you were going to forge a document you could very easily do it in the most convoluted, and confusing way imaginable, on purpose, to help obfuscate the issue of even further, and ironically lend the forgery credibility through confusion.

There's nothing convoluted about this if you see the layers as being based on colors and done to reduce file size. I've already shown the distinct layers, other than the background, contain pixels of just one color. The layer size in each case is just enough to cover all pixels that it has grouped together in that way.

The confusion doesn't lend any credibility to the forgery although it has shifted the focus from the question of whether the original exists and is real, to the question of why the pdf is a mess.


It is illogical, so therefore it is more likely the computer did it, not a human?

It is logical that a computer divided into layers based on the colors in the scan with no regard for the content.

It is not logical that a human divided it up into layers based on pieces of dates and incomplete parts of the background form and pencil dashes and random letters in certain words and a maybe a random left bracket.

[Neuro]

Couldn't it also be possible that if you were going to forge a document you could very easily do it in the most convoluted, and confusing way imaginable, on purpose, to help obfuscate the issue of even further, and ironically lend the forgery credibility through confusion.

There's nothing convoluted about this if you see the layers as being based on colors and done to reduce file size. I've already shown the distinct layers, other than the background, contain pixels of just one color. The layer size in each case is just enough to cover all pixels that it has grouped together in that way.

The confusion doesn't lend any credibility to the forgery although it has shifted the focus from the question of whether the original exists and is real, to the question of why the pdf is a mess.


It is illogical, so therefore it is more likely the computer did it, not a human?

It is logical that a computer divided into layers based on the colors in the scan with no regard for the
content.

It is not logical that a human divided it up into layers based on pieces of dates and incomplete parts of the background form and pencil dashes and random letters in certain words and a maybe a random left bracket.
Stanley Ann D vs unham Obama, makes sense that a computer would divide up the signature? Did the pen she signed it with run out of ink?

[keehah]

Why include the pencil dash of all things while forging half a date?


Perhaps less so with Adobe programs but this happens all the time with MS Office programs figures and drawings.
Its been over 10 years since I have used Adobe for work, my last place stiffed us with MS office for presentations.

One way to separate an image (from a figure not a jpg) is to highlight and area then the program selects what was highlighted (and creates a separate layer). Often unwanted bits were included (like that pencil dash just above the edited stamp date) was because I was not careful highlighting only what I wanted. It is easy to miss if it does not show when printing all the layers at once.

At times the MS software seemed to include unrelated bits not highlighted regardless of what I tried to do to not include it.

[Ash_Williams]

uhmam... was dark enough to put on the "R :11%, G :18%, B :12%" layer.
The left bracket, the Stanley, the Ann, and the D were not. That's all the computer knows.

What possible reason would a forger have for dividing it up this way? They were forging the signature but they forgot the left bracket or the D? "Ooo, it's Dunham with a D... I thought it was Funham... let me just fix that now by pasting this lighter-colored D over it...." Did the forger also forget that there was a vertical line in the "k" in of the Registrar's name? Did he decide to forge the "County and State" of box 7c too? It makes no sense!

I don't know why some of the text was darker than the other parts. The document its self could very well be totally fake. In three years I've never been an anti-birther or Obama supporter or believed or stated he was being straight with his certificate. I just don't believe that these layers indicate this is a forgery.


One way to separate an image (from a figure not a jpg) is to highlight and area then the program selects what was highlighted (and creates a separate layer). Often unwanted bits were included (like that pencil dash just above the edited stamp date) was because I was not careful highlighting only what I wanted. It is easy to miss if it does not show when printing all the layers at once.

Someone carefully highlighted about half the stuff in the date (for reasons not explained), but then they decided to also go way up there and highlight a pencil dash too? And how would any of this highlighting help them forge the date in any way? All they had on the original form was a 6? They had to fake the "19" and the "1" cause the original one they found was from 186X? But on the other side there was still a 1 and they had to fake the "6" that time. I can't get over how little sense this makes...

The only theories that make sense here is that layers were created based on the colors in the document, or someone went around creating different layers randomly just to be confusing and these layers happened to correspond with different colors in the document but they were just doing that to hide their forgery.

[keehah]

Someone carefully highlighted about half the stuff in the date (for reasons not explained), but then they decided to also go way up there and highlight a pencil dash too? And how would any of this highlighting help them forge the date in any way?

Perhaps highlight (http://www.computerhope.com/jargon/h/highligh.htm)ing is not the ideal word as it is used to select text. I'm using the term in a drawing or figure to select objects (such as a picture of text). I've always called this highlighting, I expect professional illustrators could have a separate word for this. My formal training in graphic design was in the 80's and involved more stripping (and cameras) than software.

You don't carefully highlight. The process usually works in reverse (not every person uses software the same way of course). One 'selects' or highlights an area then all objects are in the area are 'highlighted' and one needs to deselect the highlighted objects that are not going to be edited. If you don't get them all one ends up random bits scattered around the document in different layers.

The fact that the layers are mainly those areas of the text one would need to forge if one was making a forgery (such as the dates, signature and registration number) is very suspicious.

However I could agree for arguments sake that we don't know for sure if man or machine made a mess of the document.

Because in either case this mess of a computer document can in no way be proof of a real authentic birth certificate somewhere.

[Bullion_Bob]

Couldn't it also be possible that if you were going to forge a document you could very easily do it in the most convoluted, and confusing way imaginable, on purpose, to help obfuscate the issue of even further, and ironically lend the forgery credibility through confusion.

There's nothing convoluted about this if you see the layers as being based on colors and done to reduce file size. I've already shown the distinct layers, other than the background, contain pixels of just one color. The layer size in each case is just enough to cover all pixels that it has grouped together in that way.

The confusion doesn't lend any credibility to the forgery although it has shifted the focus from the question of whether the original exists and is real, to the question of why the pdf is a mess.


It is illogical, so therefore it is more likely the computer did it, not a human?

It is logical that a computer divided into layers based on the colors in the scan with no regard for the content.

It is not logical that a human divided it up into layers based on pieces of dates and incomplete parts of the background form and pencil dashes and random letters in certain words and a maybe a random left bracket.


This is exactly what I'm saying. Something that appears illogical is actually lending credibility to the authenticity of the doc through obfuscation in your eyes.

The perceived creation of the document does not have to be logical in any way in order to prove whether or not it's forged.

[jetgraphics]

What fact or facts would necessitate spending $$$$$$ to block access to records, and result in phony / forged documents to be released?
[] That BHO isn't BHO, but someone else
[] That BHO's history is fabricated
[] That BHO has connections that must not see the light of day
[] That the presidency and the Congress are a wholly owned subsidiary of a POWER that prefers to remain anonymous
[] That 305 million sheeple can be tricked and
[] That the vast majority will do nothing - as long as their limit is not exceeded.

[Uncle Salty]

Couldn't it also be possible that if you were going to forge a document you could very easily do it in the most convoluted, and confusing way imaginable, on purpose, to help obfuscate the issue of even further, and ironically lend the forgery credibility through confusion.

There's nothing convoluted about this if you see the layers as being based on colors and done to reduce file size. I've already shown the distinct layers, other than the background, contain pixels of just one color. The layer size in each case is just enough to cover all pixels that it has grouped together in that way.

The confusion doesn't lend any credibility to the forgery although it has shifted the focus from the question of whether the original exists and is real, to the question of why the pdf is a mess.


It is illogical, so therefore it is more likely the computer did it, not a human?

This document was not scanned. I repeat, this document was not scanned. It was created and saved as a PDF, but this is not a scan. Karl Denninger showed why this is so. There are no blue/red optical shadows that appear when you scan a document.

So, someone created this and saved it as a PDF. They did a lousy job as they did not print it out and then scan it back in. That is the crux of the matter. Why did they do it this way? Who knows. But the fact is they did.

Again, this is not a PDF of a scan but rather a PDF of a graphic document.

It is logical that a computer divided into layers based on the colors in the scan with no regard for the content.

It is not logical that a human divided it up into layers based on pieces of dates and incomplete parts of the background form and pencil dashes and random letters in certain words and a maybe a random left bracket.

[Uncle Salty]

This document was not scanned. I repeat, this document was not scanned. It was created and saved as a PDF, but this is not a scan. Karl Denninger showed why this is so. There are no blue/red optical shadows that appear when you scan a document.

So, someone created this and saved it as a PDF. They did a lousy job as they did not print it out and then scan it back in. That is the crux of the matter. Why did they do it this way? Who knows. But the fact is they did.

Again, this is not a PDF of a scan but rather a PDF of a graphic document.

It is logical that a computer divided into layers based on the colors in the scan with no regard for the content.

It is not logical that a human divided it up into layers based on pieces of dates and incomplete parts of the background form and pencil dashes and random letters in certain words and a maybe a random left bracket.

[Bullion_Bob]

If I were to do something like this I would do it in the most ridiculous, and tedious way imaginable, and then come back to it later, and do more ridiculous things that make no sense.

People would look at it and think there is no way anyone would go to such unbelievable lengths to forge a document, so it has to be an anomaly or some sort, a fluke, comuter glitch, processing error, etc...

It would appear so retarded in creation, people would readily explain it away being unable to come up with a reasonable explanation of how or why.

[madfranks]

What fact or facts would necessitate spending $$$$$$ to block access to records, and result in phony / forged documents to be released?
[] That BHO isn't BHO, but someone else
[] That BHO's history is fabricated
[] That BHO has connections that must not see the light of day
[] That the presidency and the Congress are a wholly owned subsidiary of a POWER that prefers to remain anonymous
[] That 305 million sheeple can be tricked and
[] That the vast majority will do nothing - as long as their limit is not exceeded.


You raise a good point that so far has been left out of this discussion. Why was serious money spent hiding this birth certificate for so long? Hell, Obama didn't even have to dig it up himself, all he had to do was authorize someone else to do it.

[Bullion_Bob]

I think they left themselves an "out clause" in case the whole situation went sour (in fighting, ratting out, murders), and they had to hash it out in some court hearing.

Having a question mark at the top could possibly spare them from the harshest of sentences?

dunno...

[Ash_Williams]

This document was not scanned. I repeat, this document was not scanned. It was created and saved as a PDF, but this is not a scan. Karl Denninger showed why this is so. There are no blue/red optical shadows that appear when you scan a document.

You're telling me if I scan a document on safety paper with that crappy of a resolution, I'm going to see blue/red optical shadows? I just don't believe that. I'd like to see it done.


The fact that the layers are mainly those areas of the text one would need to forge if one was making a forgery (such as the dates, signature and registration number) is very suspicious.

That's not true though. The layers are all over the place. Letters of the background form are separate from the words containing them, checkboxes, pencil marks. The only thing the layers have in common is that the contents contain a bunch of pixels of the exact same color. You can't tell me they had to forge the L in "Limits" or the "R" in BARAK.


If I were to do something like this I would do it in the most ridiculous, and tedious way imaginable, and then come back to it later, and do more ridiculous things that make no sense.

If I were to do it I'd make a fake birth certificate then scan it at a fairly low resolution and call it a day.


This is exactly what I'm saying. Something that appears illogical is actually lending credibility to the authenticity of the doc through obfuscation in your eyes.

It doesn't appear illogical though, and it doesn't make me believe that the document which they scanned was real. I first thought the layers indicated this really was a fake, I said so in this thread, until I looked closer and thought about it. I was wrong. I got over it.

What would you guys say if they put up a higher-res scan in response to all this, no layers? Then we'd have to argue over something real. That's where the argument should be, because there is no way to conclusively say this is just a fakeass digital document based on some layers in the pdf... even if those layers were man made there is no way to know what, if anything, was changed.

[Neuro]

Ash_Williams is a fictional character only and anything posted is for entertainment purposes only and is not meant to be taken as fact or advice and is not guaranteed to be accurate and does not necessarily represent the opinion of the person posting it.
The birth certificate is fake!

[JDRock]

vaughn ( jp/halo?) take the RED pill. game- set -match = Mamboni

[Uncle Salty]

[quote]You're telling me if I scan a document on safety paper with that crappy of a resolution, I'm going to see blue/red optical shadows? I just don't believe that. I'd like to see it done.


Check out this video starting at about the 1:20 mark of this video. Denninger shows how scanned PDF images have the chromatic aberration that the original PDF from the Whitehouse.gov did not have. That proves that the White House document was only a digital file that was saved as a PDF and was never printed out and then scanned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eOfYwYyS_c&playnext=1&list=PLA09162BBD625430E

[Ash_Williams]

Quote
You're telling me if I scan a document on safety paper with that crappy of a resolution, I'm going to see blue/red optical shadows? I just don't believe that. I'd like to see it done.

Check out this video starting at about the 1:20 mark of this video. Denninger shows how scanned PDF images have the chromatic aberration that the original PDF from the Whitehouse.gov did not have. That proves that the White House document was only a digital file that was saved as a PDF and was never printed out and then scanned.

I went and scanned an old certificate I have for genealogical purposes. It was as close as I could get. Where's this red/blue chromatic aberration? I scanned at 300 dpi with a cheap 7 year old cannon scanner, low color quality, and saved as a jpeg with default compression.

Now that I see the video going he's full of it. He's saying there's no chromatic aberration on the layers that are saved as single colors. Of course there will be no aberration. You can simply save any layer as 1 bit b&w and it will look like that.

[Ash_Williams]

Is there a high res of the AP version out there anywhere?

[MAGNES]

UPDATE

A QUESTION OF ELIGIBILITY
Web expert: Obama certificate falls short in authenticity
Cites images sharing space, anomalous for typed pages

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=295189

HONOLULU, Hawaii – A Web expert who has built and run Internet and networking companies says the image the White House released as Barack Obama's "Certificate of Live Birth" essentially fails the authenticity test and that the image was more "assembled" than copied from an original.

That's the conclusion of Karl Denninger, whose resume includes work as CEO of MCSNet, a Chicago networking and Internet company; time with D&D Software/Macro Computer Solutions; work as a programming team leader for network software; and service in network engineering with ratings as a Unix System administrator.

[mamboni]

vaughn ( jp/halo?) take the RED pill. game- set -match = Mamboni


Yeah, I definitely thought of JP/Halo when reading Vaughn Polux's tortured excuses for this fraud of a birht certificate. Unpleasant memories of debating 911 with JP/Halo come to mind. After many maddening back and forths, one realize that the other person has no interest in the truth or the facts. He simply wants to obfuscate and exhaust the discussion. I'm not wasting anymore time on this. For me, the Obama BC is an obvious forgery and would never be accepted a documentary evidence in any legitimate court of law. But I think this government is so out of control breaking the law and infringing on the people's rights , coupled with an American populace that is dumber than a bag of rocks, that the situation is hopeless. Obama could be shown to be a frickin' Martian and nothing will happen. You'll just get a long tortured explanation tht since the earth and mars are descended from the same exploding star billions of years ago, Obama is technically an American and one of us. :oo-->

[Awoke]

I can't believe anyone is arguing one way or another, whether the issued image was scanned, assembled, forged, or whatever.

The basic point is, Obama made it illegal to dig into his history as soon as he came to office, and no-one knows shit about him, period. (Beyond what TPTB tell them through the babylonian media)

The man proved that he was not constitutionally eligible to be the POTUS (as in not born on American soil) when he blocked access to his records, afaic.

If it is a scan, OK. If it is assembed, OK. Either way, I see it as Bullshit and forgery.



EDITed for typos.

[JohnQPublic]

This sure got swept under the rug quickly and efficiently. No one is talking about it anymore, and not for weeks.

Pres. Obama
Caught Osama
To cover up his CLB

MSM wiped his a**
And now Obama
Got away scott free

[mamboni]

This sure got swept under the rug quickly and efficiently. No one is talking about it anymore, and not for weeks.

Pres. Obama
Caught Osama
To cover up his CLB

MSM wiped his a**
And now Obama
Got away scott free


We are living in insane times. Nothing is real, not money, not contracts, not promises. Words have differeing meanings depending on who says them. Black is white. Right is wrong. Up is down. We have a flim flam fraudster for president and no one cares. I'm ready for the big collapse and the reboot - the present operating system has too many corrupted variables and is too far gone to patch or debug. Somebody please hit the power button and put us out of our collective misery. >:(

[JDRock]

...as far as answering why they did such a hack job, i believe it is the UNWAVERING faith in their power to control public perception/opinion via the media. Remember hillarys " missing" whitewater documents......mysteriously reappearing in plain sight ?? the public bought it hook line and sinker!! NO oneasked the obvious ; "were the ones found the ORIGINALS?? or was the delay caused by the clinton team re-writing the docs to hide criminal activity...

[Awoke]

We are living in insane times. Nothing is real, not money, not contracts, not promises. Words have differeing meanings depending on who says them. Black is white. Right is wrong. Up is down.



One word: Orwellian.

[Neuro]

...as far as answering why they did such a hack job, i believe it is the UNWAVERING faith in their power to control public perception/opinion via the media. Remember hillarys " missing" whitewater documents......mysteriously reappearing in plain sight ?? the public bought it hook line and sinker!! NO oneasked the obvious ; "were the ones found the ORIGINALS?? or was the delay caused by the clinton team re-writing the docs to hide criminal activity...
Yes, I agree, possibly another objective, is to anger their enemies, iow those who see through their lies, to stand up and call them out so that they can identify us, and round us up, when the time comes. Or neutralise the ones who screams loudest with made up charges, and doctored evidence...

[Awoke]

That was a good way to handle that reply imo, Vaughn. Kudos.

[MAGNES]

What fact or facts would necessitate spending $$$$$$ to block access to records, and result in phony / forged documents to be released?
[] That BHO isn't BHO, but someone else
[] That BHO's history is fabricated
[] That BHO has connections that must not see the light of day
[] That the presidency and the Congress are a wholly owned subsidiary of a POWER that prefers to remain anonymous
[] That 305 million sheeple can be tricked and
[] That the vast majority will do nothing - as long as their limit is not exceeded.


He is definitely hiding his entire life, all documents for a reason.

Wayne Madsen has done the best work on this, Rivero also has very good points speculating to what is hidden.

Good thread worth bumping. Lots of info.

[mamboni]

vaughn ( jp/halo?) take the RED pill. game- set -match = Mamboni


Yeah, I definitely thought of JP/Halo when reading Vaughn Polux's tortured excuses for this fraud of a birht certificate. Unpleasant memories of debating 911 with JP/Halo come to mind. After many maddening back and forths, one realize that the other person has no interest in the truth or the facts. He simply wants to obfuscate and exhaust the discussion. I'm not wasting anymore time on this. For me, the Obama BC is an obvious forgery and would never be accepted a documentary evidence in any legitimate court of law. But I think this government is so out of control breaking the law and infringing on the people's rights , coupled with an American populace that is dumber than a bag of rocks, that the situation is hopeless. Obama could be shown to be a frickin' Martian and nothing will happen. You'll just get a long tortured explanation tht since the earth and mars are descended from the same exploding star billions of years ago, Obama is technically an American and one of us. :oo-->


Damn, dude, I didn't realize you thought I was saying it was a legit document. I was not defending its authenticity, but rather stating that my opinion on what we see is definitely fishy (especially the exact B replica) but that none of it is conclusive. Circumstantially, it definitely warrants further investigation, but I can't say it's definitely a forgery just based on what we can see in that .pdf. I agree with you 100% that it cannot be accepted as documentary evidence in any legitimate court as well. At no point was I making excuses for it, either.

If we have differing opinions about what we see in it being definitive proof or not, then can we not just agree to disagree instead of calling me a fraud/sock puppet? I don't know who JP/Halo is, unless JP stands for Juristic Person. I do remember him.

I also think you'll find I was quite peaceable in asking for us to have a work together analyzing the layers. I'm certainly not looking to be an enemy of mamboni. Sorry.


My apologies to you. I suppose I, like many here are sensitized to a phenomenon of modern times whereby no matter how obvious the evidence and blatant the signs that Obama is a utter fraud and unqualified imposter, there are always apologists asserting that the only logical conclusion is that it must be a fluke, an accident, a coincidence or a cosmic fart and no reflection on Obama!

[monty]

I don't know, ??? take it with a grain of salt.



Wednesday, February 22, 2012
Obama's hidden birth certificate!
Subject: Fwd: Obama's hidden birth certificate now exposed . . . . interesting


http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2012/02/obamas-hidden-birth-certificate.html

[osoab]

I don't know, ??? take it with a grain of salt.



Wednesday, February 22, 2012
Obama's hidden birth certificate!
Subject: Fwd: Obama's hidden birth certificate now exposed . . . . interesting


http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2012/02/obamas-hidden-birth-certificate.html

Might be better to go ahead and post the info before it gets memory-holed.

.............



Obama's hidden birth certificate!

Here it is, folks! The document we have been waiting for! Now what, Supreme Court?


Widely circulated; challenge to Obama's birthplace and to US Citizenship.

Seems this is bound to arise [again] in the "political diatribe" of the coming year!

Whether we like it - believe it - or disbelieve it.


" Barack Hussein Obama II General Hospital , Mombasa , Kenya where Obama was born a few hours later at 7:21 pm on August 4, 1961(what a sad day for the USA !). Four days later his mother flew to Hawaii and registered his birth in Honolulu as a certificate of live birth which omitted the place and hospital of birth."

Well, well, well . at last the 'real' thing. Now, what will happen?

Whom do you believe? This man should be impeached-now!

Now if only someone in Congress or the Supreme Court will act on this!

If these documents are as authentic as they certainly seem to be, Obama is NOT qualified to be our President and he sits in the White House illegally!

This is what Obama has spent almost $2M (so far) to hide.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fWyJBZqKsBE/T0T7hGtT_CI/AAAAAAAAAS4/JUdHotb0xtc/s640/OB+1.jpg

Here's a close-up of the top of the document where you can plainly read his name and his parents' names, etc....

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-N9PsC02zc68/T0T7vn2LJaI/AAAAAAAAATA/GftBAqVRN74/s640/OB+2.jpg

A British history buff was asked if he could find out who the colonial registrar was for Mombasa in 1961.

After only a few minutes of research, he called back and said "Sir Edward F. Lavender. Note the same name near the bottom of the photo above.

Source(s): Kenya Dominion Record 4667 Australian library."

Here's a close-up of the bottom of the document where you can read "Coast Province of Kenya" and the official signature of the Deputy Registrar:


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HQNWi1s-H58/T0T8CmcSngI/AAAAAAAAATI/45kYBQW-MIU/s640/OB+3.jpg

The above document is a "Certified Copy of Registration of Birth," but below is a copy of the actual Certificate of Birth - the real-deal legal kind of certificate.

The Mombasa Registrar of Births has testified that Obama's birth certificate from Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa is genuine. This copy was obtained by Lucas Smith through the help of a Kenyan Colonel who recently got it directly from the Coast General Hospital in Mombasa , Kenya . Here it is:


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YweA9J1Ngnc/T0T8OQCMWWI/AAAAAAAAATQ/gnbsNgUyoKw/s640/OB+4.jpg

Note the footprint!

The local Muslim Imam in Mombasa named Barack with his Muslim middle name Hussein so his official name on this certificate is Barack Hussein Obama II.

The grandmother of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. reveals the story of his birth in Mombasa , Kenya , a seaport, after his mother suffered labor pains while swimming at ocean beach in Mombasa .

"On August 4, 1961 Obama's mother, father, and grandmother were attending a Muslim festival in Mombasa , Kenya .

His mother had been refused entry to airplanes due to her nine-month pregnancy. It was a hot August day at the festival so the Obamas went to the beach to cool off. While swimming in the ocean his mother experienced labor pains so was rushed to the Coast Provincial General Hospital, Mombasa, Kenya where Obama was born a few hours later at 7:21 pm on August 4, 1961(what a sad day for the USA!).

Four days later his mother flew to Hawaii and registered his birth in Honolulu as a certificate of live birth which omitted the place and hospital of birth."

Letter from Kitau in Mombasa , Kenya :
"I happen to be Kenyan. I was born 1 month before Obama at Mombasa medical center. I am a teacher here at the MM Shaw Primary School in Kenya . I compared my birth certificate to the one that has been put out by Taitz and mine is exactly the same. I even have the same registrar and format. The type is identical. I am by nature a skeptical person. I teach science here and challenge most things that cannot be proven. So I went to an official registrar today and pulled up the picture on the web. They magnified it and determined it to be authentic. There is even a plaque with Registrar Lavender's name on it as he was a Brit and was in charge of the Registrar office from 1959 until January of 1964. The reason the date on the certificate says republic of Kenya is that we were a republic when the "copy" of the original was ordered. I stress the word "copy." My copy also has republic of Kenya . So what you say is true about Kenya not being a republic at the time of Obama's birth, however it was a republic when the copy was ordered.

The birth certificate is genuine. It will be authenticated by a forensic auditor. We are very proud Obama was born here. We have a shrine for him and there are many people who remember his birth here as he had a white mother. They are being interviewed now by one of your media outlets.

Fortunately, they even have pictures of his parents with him immediately after his birth at the Mombasa hospital with the hospital in the background.

It will be a proud day for us when it is proven that he was born here and a Kenyan became the most powerful man in the world.

I encourage anyone to come here and visit. I will be happy to take you and show you the pictures at the hospital myself as well as my document and many others that are identical to what Taitz posted. God Bless. Kitau."

So, how much more proof do we need?

WELL, HERE IT IS:

Lolo Soetoro, Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro, baby Maya Soetoro, and 9-year-old Barry Soetoro.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zYVbxt7859I/T0T8YMsAg_I/AAAAAAAAATY/R9VT0T3MSt0/s640/OB+5.jpg

This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia , shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro.

Name: Barry Soetoro
Religion: Islam
Nationality: Indonesian

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_7kEY6nXTe8/T0T8ix9XYHI/AAAAAAAAATg/AYz6Bh08SzA/s640/OB+6.jpg

How did this little INDONESIAN Muslim child - Barry Soetoro, (A.K.A. Barack Obama) get around the issue of nationality to become President of the United States of America ?

PART 2:
In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College .

The transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia while an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program.

To qualify for this scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.
This document provides the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking - that he is NOT a natural-born citizen of the United States - necessary to be President of these United States . Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya , here we see that there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship.

Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records.

Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still on-going but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused comment on this matter.

Let other folks know this news - the media won't!

[General of Darkness]

Nice Osoab

[jimswift]

the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused comment on this matter.

No shit?...This the same attorney general who has been fingered to international gun running and the death or deaths of US border guards without nary an indictment, arrest, or resignation. They think he is even gonna give this a second look?

This is pure gangster'n whats going on at the national level of government in this country. Total and complete lawlessness.

[Neuro]

Thanks Osoab, so the man has a past, but he may not even be a US citizen... There was something about his social security no being stolen too?

[osoab]

Thanks Osoab, so the man has a past, but he may not even be a US citizen... There was something about his social security no being stolen too?

Don't thank me, I just posted the info from the link that monty gave in case things become memory holed.

You should be thanking monty.

[Neuro]

Don't thank me, I just posted the info from the link that monty gave in case things become memory holed.

You should be thanking monty.

I missed that... Thanks monty! One formally given too!

[madfranks]

Thanks Osoab, so the man has a past, but he may not even be a US citizen... There was something about his social security no being stolen too?

Yes, Obama's social security number was flagged as "likely fraudulent" in the gov's own E-Verify system:

http://www.wnd.com/2011/09/344461/

[monty]

Remember the couple than sneaked into the White House without credentials?


http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2459&d=1331837334



They're still there!