GSUS Hero?

[Book]

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KTVB.COM

April 30, 2011

PARMA, Idaho -- Three people were injured after a suspected drunk driver sideswiped a police patrol car. It happened at 2:30 a.m. Saturday at the intersection of N. 6th Street and E. Grove Avenue. Parma Police Officer Christopher Cullen, 42, was driving his patrol vehicle with a K9 and a reserve officer as passengers northbound on E. Grove Avenue. Thomas Pierce, 25, of Parma, who was heading southbound, drifted across the center turn lane and into the northbound lane.

Cullen swerved onto the sidewalk in a failed attempt to avoid collision as Pierce sideswiped the patrol vehicle. Pierce continued driving into the yard of a residence at that intersection, where he narrowly missed the house. He came to rest after hitting two vehicles parked next to the home. Cullen, the reserve officer and Pierce were all taken to West Valley Medical Center in Caldwell. The Parma Police K9 had to be pulled from the patrol car, but wasn't injured. All three subjects were treated and released.

Pierce was arrested and taken to the Canyon County Jail, charged with felony DUI, driving without privileges, and failing to maintain insurance.

Linky (http://www.ktvb.com/news/Three-injured-after-suspected-drunk-driver-hits-patrol-car-121028654.html)

:) Sovereign Citizen Freeman just livin' life without a drivers license or insurance sippin' on beer as God and our Constitution intended.

[dys]

Is it that he is a GSUS hero, or is it that you are intentionally mischaracterizing the arguments of those of us that do not believe in things like precrime, forcing people to do business with private companies, and government licensing? These are things that I believe.
What do you believe, Book?

dys

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

NO. Breaking the common law, that is to say, HARMING ANYONE, is immoral and grounds to have your liberty confiscated.


You. Are. Being. Disingenuous. In. This. Matter.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Harm can take a lot of forms. "Harm" can be fiscal, property-related, breaking a contract, physical violence, the list goes on. If someone harms you first, then you are allowed to protect yourself - but if you are the instigator of harm, do not look to me, or to GSUS, for sympathy.

Now some of you might be saying, "Damn, TheNocturnalEgyptian! Punishment for breaking a contract??" Let me explain.


Only those things which cause harm can be classified as crimes. The punishment should fit the crime. If you harm someone, then yes, you should be punished - but not excessively so.

The punishment should fit the crime, and only that which causes harm is a crime. Simple.

[FunnyMoney]

It is the famous guilt by association trick, dys, TheNocturnalEgyptian, you are both correct.

Book wants viewers to think that since we don't believe in govt over-regulation that we all also accept not taking personal responsibility. Getting blasted drunk and then getting behind the wheel on a public road is not exactly taking personal responsiblity. Freedom from cruel and unusual regulations along with taking personal responsibility are the cornerstones of a functioning society.

[Horn]

Freedom from cruel and unusual regulations along with taking personal responsibility are the cornerstones of a functioning society.


For some it takes a common enemy as well, actually for most.

[Book]

Getting blasted drunk and then getting behind the wheel on a public road is not exactly taking personal responsibility.



http://www.mcglonelaw.com/library/Roadblock__USA.jpg

Oh...you SUPPORT DUI Checkpoints.

|--0--| if not how do we protect ourselves from uninsured unlicensed drunk drivers like in the OP?

[dys]

|--0--| if not how do we protect ourselves from uninsured unlicensed drunk drivers like in the OP?




By making them 100% accountable for their actions. One of the many reasons insurance should be illegal, it lays off accountability.

dys

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

"The rule of law" has very little power to prevent harm. Pretty much 100% of what we call "The Law" is a promise that you will have something done to you after the fact, in retribution for the harm you caused.

You can't stop someone from walking down the street and then suddenly deciding they're going to punch the next individual they see - the only thing the law can do is threaten them with punishment after the fact occurs.

[Book]

By making them 100% accountable for their actions.



HOW exactly?

|--0--|

[dys]

HOW exactly?

|--0--|


You cause an accident, you pay 100% of the damage to the vehicle, medical expenses, et al. But I suspect you already know this...at least you seem to be insinuating that this wouldn't work. If so, why not?

dys

[Book]

...the only thing the law can do is threaten them with punishment after the fact occurs.



Agreed, but obviously existing punishment isn't a deterrent in the real USA.

[midnight rambler]

http://www.mcglonelaw.com/library/Roadblock__USA.jpg

Ahhh...isn't that cute? Someone wuvs their security blankie.

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/12543799/2/istockphoto_12543799-security-blanket-man.jpg

[Horn]

Agreed, but obviously existing punishment isn't a deterrent in the real USA.


http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41570_2313060199_5593_n.jpg

[Book]

Ahhh...isn't that cute?



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Sovereign Citizen single moms





:D raisin' their sons like God and the Constitution intended...lol.

[dys]

You know, Book, you are quite the GSUS enigma. You have a very high level of intelligence, awareness, and insight, but you very rarely use it for anything other than biting humor or glib cynicism/derision. I've heard it said that you won't defend your own arguments. I'm ok with that approach, in a way I even respect it. But all too often what I see from you is something different. I see arguments that are never made, just hinted at or indirectly suggested. I see a form of elitism characterized by private jokes and forum snobbery. You are the GSUS forum dicktease.
Considering that I actually want to know what you have to say, this is frustrating to me. Quite frankly, this sucks. I challenge you to explicitly and directly tell us what you believe, in this thread and everywhere else on this forum, moving forward.

dys

[nunaem]

...the only thing the law can do is threaten them with punishment after the fact occurs.



Agreed, but obviously existing punishment isn't a deterrent in the real USA.




Driver's license and DUI laws do deter most people from violating them. Problem is, the people who aren't deterred by those laws are less likely to be deterred by other laws like those against crashing into police cruisers. Meanwhile, the responsible people who could probably make it home after a couple beers get designated drivers.

[vacuum]

HOW exactly?

|--0--|


You cause an accident, you pay 100% of the damage to the vehicle, medical expenses, et al. But I suspect you already know this...at least you seem to be insinuating that this wouldn't work. If so, why not?

dys

This could easily completely ruin an individual. And for people who live paycheck to paycheck, even a relatively small monetary amount ($3k) could send them in a downward spiral if they get kicked out of their house, lose their car, or electricity. And people would be a lot less likely to stick around after an accident.

[dys]

This could easily completely ruin an individual. And for people who live paycheck to paycheck, even a relatively small monetary amount ($3k) could send them in a downward spiral if they get kicked out of their house, lose their car, or electricity. And people would be a lot less likely to stick around after an accident.


Because they are forced to pay their FRNs to the parasites, starting with the insurance companies.

dys

[Book]

Driver's license and DUI laws do deter most people from violating them. Problem is, the people who aren't deterred by those laws are less likely to be deterred by other laws like those against crashing into police cruisers. Meanwhile, the responsible people who could probably make it home after a couple beers get designated drivers.



I agree completely.

[midnight rambler]

Travel as a right and operating a transportation business on public property are two entirely different things. One requires license, and the other does not. There are many court cases supporting this, it's not like it's unknown to those are are actually cognizant of what the law is.

The common law requires common sense (along with responsibility and accountability for one's own actions). The way things are with 'limited liability' these days no one is held accountable for their actions, which is where the insurance companies and the ambulance chasing lawyers come in. It's easy to see that common sense isn't that common these days as many are unable to grasp the very simple concept due to their brainwashing/dumbing down in the public fool system.

[keehah]

Book your being an ass. I mean more so than usual.

There is no obvious reason for you to insinuate his background has anything in common with many on this site.

Seems like nothing more than a personal attack on the members, the site, and yourself.

[Book]

Seems like nothing more than a personal attack on the members, the site, and yourself.


The most illogical sentence posted at GSUS for some time.

:oo--> "personal attack"

[Book]

I'll freely and honestly discuss with you my experiences with LEO while traveling unlicensed, unregistered, uninsured - from being immediately asked to be on my way and have a nice day, right on down to the time I was in cuffs in a squad car in parking lot.



Nobody here stopping you. Post away.

:)

[midnight rambler]

"Those who expect to reap the blessings of liberty, must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it." --Thomas Paine

Those who reap the blessings of liberty while attacking others for their support of liberty are infernal reprobates imo (as well as being pussies as they are most certainly not men).

[Book]

I'll freely and honestly discuss with you my experiences with LEO while traveling unlicensed, unregistered, uninsured - from being immediately asked to be on my way and have a nice day, right on down to the time I was in cuffs in a squad car in parking lot.



Nobody here stopping you. Post away.

:)




Vaughn Pollux just deleted his above quoted post:


« Last Edit: Today at 01:09:16 AM by Vaughn Pollux »

:oo-->

[keehah]

Seems like nothing more than a personal attack on the members, the site, and yourself.


The most illogical sentence posted at GSUS for some time.

:oo--> "personal attack"
Save your jewel of a response for someone else Book.

And you are the one who keeps insisting we are not free men, but 'persons'! ;D

[Horn]

I challenge you to explicitly and directly tell us what you believe, in this thread and everywhere else on this forum, moving forward.
dys


You have no idea the amount of torture time it would take to extract the slightest bit of useless info.

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[Neuro]

...the only thing the law can do is threaten them with punishment after the fact occurs.



Agreed, but obviously existing punishment isn't a deterrent in the real USA.


True, the culture of personal irresponsibility, is the cause. The idea that excessive state regulation and force is a major part of the problem. More laws and regulations and greater enforcement doesn't help, when the criminal families get food stamps and housing benefits. If you want responsible people the nanny state needs to go...

[SilverMagnet]

What a foolish thread. Cops cannot prevent drunken drivers from killing people. They only arrive to the scene after the damage is done. Supporting checkpoints is illogical and only serves to slow everyone else down. If you need a police checkpoint to feel safe on the streets, then maybe you should just stay in the house and post sardonic pictures on the web. Oh.. wait.. nevermind.

[mightymanx]

http://www.mcglonelaw.com/library/Roadblock__USA.jpg




I see you doned your HOA cop outfit and are patroling your cul-de-sac again.

[gunDriller]

speaking of GSUS heroes, how is Joe Stack doing ?


i always wondered what the IRS did that pushed him to that point of extreme anger.


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Joe+Stack&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=

oh, never mind.

Joe is Dead. he died in the plane crash. what was i thinking ?!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b3/Joseph_Stack_in_Billy_Eli_Band.jpg/220px-Joseph_Stack_in_Billy_Eli_Band.jpg

/\ Joe.

"In 1985, Stack, along with his first wife, incorporated Prowess Engineering. In 1994, he failed to file a state tax return. In 1998, the Stacks divorced and a year later his wife filed Chapter 11 Bankruptcy, citing IRS liabilities totaling nearly $126,000. In 1995, Stack started Software Systems Service Corp, which was suspended in 2004 for non-payment of state taxes.[16] It was revealed in CNN and ABC news broadcasts by another software consultant who testified that the IRS had taken away a tax status for software consultants, which might have set off the incident with Stack.[25][26]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Austin_plane_crash

"In the suicide note, he begins by expressing displeasure with the government, the bailout of financial institutions, politicians, the conglomerate companies of General Motors, Enron and Arthur Andersen, unions, drug and health care insurance companies, and the Catholic Church.[31] He then describes his life as an engineer; including his meeting with a poor widow who never got the pension benefits she was promised, the effect of the Section 1706 of Tax Reform Act of 1986 on independent contractor engineers, the September 11 attacks airline bailouts that only benefited the airlines but not the suffering engineers and how a CPA he hired seemed to side with the government to take extra tax money from him. His suicide note included criticism of the FAA, the George W. Bush administration, and a call for violent revolt.

The suicide note also mentions, several times, Stack's having issues with taxes, debt, and the IRS and his having a long-running feud with the organization.[33] While the IRS also has a larger regional office in Austin, the field office located in Echelon I performed tax audits, seizures, investigations and collections.[33]

The suicide note ended with:[31]
“ I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.

The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

Joe Stack (1956-2010)

02/18/2010"


interesting - the "pound of flesh" reference. is that term from the Bible, or from Shakespeare ?

it's still not clear to me what the exact grievance was.

[Book]

Edit:

I'll not be baited by Book again.



http://gold-silver.us/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=6688;type=avatar

I would love to debate you in a thread dedicated to presenting your version of reality being an actual Sovereign Citizen with no drivers license, no vehicle license plate, no auto insurance, and no bank account.

In all previous threads you have always refused to answer even simple basic practical questions about your daily life as a so-called "Freeman" in the USA. You always disappear when asked a question. Like now.

|--0--| lemme know when you will do this

[gunDriller]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=6688;type=avatar

he looks a little like the Goat Man -
http://alltruths.tk/images/stories/ArticleImages/ches-sm.jpg

"Charles "Ches" McCartney, (1901?-1998) also known as the Goat Man, was a preacher who traveled up and down the eastern United States from 1930 to 1968 in a ramshackle wagon pulled by a team of goats.

Ches grew up on a farm in Iowa, ran away at 14, in New York he met and married a Spanish knife thrower ten years his senior and became part of her act, serving as near-miss target. When she became pregnant they made a living as farmers, but were wiped out at the start of the Great Depression. Ches came up with the idea of using a goat cart to travel with his family as an itinerant preacher. His wife did not like the idea,and she left one day before dawn

Ches's iron-wheeled wagon was garishly decorated with a clutter of objects he found and collected along the road. It contained a bed, a potbellied stove, lanterns, and was pulled by a team of around nine goats, with a few trailing behind to occasionally push and serve as brakes on downhill stretches of road. His traveling goat herd sometimes numbered up to thirty. The goats were surprisingly sturdy and effective draft animals and Ches managed to make five to ten miles a day."


if we're nominating heroes, i'll nominate Ches the Goat Man.

[po boy]

Sovereign Citizen


What is a Sovereign Citizen and who claimed to be one on this thread?

Sure you didn't write this?
www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/SCM.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=4&item=sov

[mrnhtbr2232]

Edit:
I'll not be baited by Book again.


I would love to debate you in a thread dedicated to presenting your version of reality being an actual Sovereign Citizen with no drivers license, no vehicle license plate, no auto insurance, and no bank account. In all previous threads you have always refused to answer even simple basic practical questions about your daily life as a so-called "Freeman" in the USA. You always disappear when asked a question. Like now. |--0--| lemme know when you will do this


Book - you make a good point about daily reality vs. living outside it. That is first and foremost in our lives whether we like it or not. For Sovereign Citizens to do their thing they still have to live in the world we call America and nothing changes that. The global power structures and their agendas are out there remodeling our realities while people bicker about how we should be should be able to drive without a license. We might as well be chasing the Titanic since the SC ideal is a collectible itself. Our situation is perpetual, not maybe someday it will get better. It's worked this way for centuries but the game changers in 2011 are population, technology, and social cattle-wrangling. Time is running out. They know it. And they know people are starting to understand. These dynamics are the big picture, not magic super powers to thumb your nose at the system or insulting the membership insinuating we support drunken fools.

[osoab]

I can't believe no one has posted this yet.

Maybe she can help you find your hero Book. :oo-->

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f_HsjpSVaI

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Citizens are not Sovereign.


Sovereigns are Sovereign.


Use correct terms.

[Book]

Book - you make a good point about daily reality vs. living outside it. That is first and foremost in our lives whether we like it or not. For Sovereign Citizens to do their thing they still have to live in the world we call America and nothing changes that. The global power structures and their agendas are out there remodeling our realities while people bicker about how we should be should be able to drive without a license. We might as well be chasing the Titanic since the SC ideal is a collectible itself. Our situation is perpetual, not maybe someday it will get better. It's worked this way for centuries but the game changers in 2011 are population, technology, and social cattle-wrangling. Time is running out. They know it. And they know people are starting to understand. These dynamics are the big picture, not magic super powers to thumb your nose at the system or insulting the membership insinuating we support drunken fools.



All good points mrnhtbr2232. I would sincerely appreciate Vaughn Pollux describing exactly how he personally can live daily in our existing USA without a drivers license, vehicle license plate, auto insurance, social security card, or bank account. He claims he does but always immediately runs away whenever I ask him a few simple basic questions about his daily reality.

Same thing with a few other members who constantly post Black's Legal Dictionary mumbo jumbo and claim to be Sovereigns. They refuse to also answer any simple basic questions about their daily reality living in our USA without a drivers license, vehicle license plate, auto insurance, social security card, or bank account.

|--0--| when will they answer simple basic questions about their daily reality as a self-described Sovereign or self-described Freeman?

[midnight rambler]

I don't recall where I've ever referred to myself or anything I do as 'sovereign'*. Show me.

*although at one point I did actually own an Airstream Sovereign. lol

[MAGNES]

You know, Book, you are quite the GSUS enigma.


Book is an enigma, pretty hilarious, Book is not an enigma.

You are the enigma.

Book was banished permanently from gim for telling scorpio/gim he/they are anti Christian.

He never broke their rules ever.

Where were you dysgenic ? Mr Christian ?

People should have a closer look at your posts.

This is a bad thread opened by book.

It's pile on book time. lol

I think book was trying to make a point but its many issues now.

All this " freemen " stuff, you people are not for real.

[gunDriller]

super cali

fragile

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expial

idotious

... Mary Poppins Latin.

[Horn]

I think book was trying to make a point but its many issues now.

All this " freemen " stuff, you people are not for real.


Book's definition of all Freemen is criminal. This is plain to see.

[dys]

Book is an enigma, pretty hilarious, Book is not an enigma.
You are the enigma.
Book was banished permanently from gim for telling scorpio/gim he/they are anti Christian.
He never broke their rules ever.
Where were you dysgenic ? Mr Christian ?
People should have a closer look at your posts.
This is a bad thread opened by book.
It's pile on book time. lol
I think book was trying to make a point but its many issues now.
All this " freemen " stuff, you people are not for real.


Magnes-

I tried to ignore your vague insinuations and ridicule. I gave you plenty of leeway, much more than I would give most. Now you can F U C K off. Time to look in the mirror, Magnes. Why have you at alternating times claimed to be a Christian and then claimed to not be a Christian? If you are not religious, why do you sport a cross as your avatar? Why do you openly defend paganism? And by the way, I hate to be the one to tell it to you, but many of your posts make absolutely 0 sense.
I know you were at Agora, and 'others, too', and I know you love Plato and Greek mythology. I know you love to post multiple broken links. And I know you are a self proclaimed historical expert. I get that. Who you really are, I'm not so sure anymore.
Now run along and find another punching bag, because it ain't going to be me anymore.

dys

[Awoke]

I challenge you to explicitly and directly tell us what you believe, in this thread and everywhere else on this forum, moving forward.

dys


That is not what he is paid to do.

[Book]

KIVI-TV TODAY'S 6 NEWS

Man Arrested at Federal Building Speaks Out

Fresh off spending 24 hours behind bars for assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest, Lee Rice says he's innocent.

On Wednesday afternoon Rice entered the parking lot of the Federal Building in downtown Boise and his vehicle was pulled over by police. According to Rice, he was then asked for ID. He showed the officer an Idaho State ID. However, that ID isn't a valid driver's license.

Moments later, Rice says he was asked by the police officer to get out of his car. Feeling threatened, Rice stayed in his vehicle. Then, Rice argues an officer started violently pounding on the front car door. Rice states, "I had somebody pounding on the window with a nightstick, then the pepper spray happened and then because they were beating the window so hard, I unlocked the door and that's when they just pulled me out and started beating me."

However, a police report filed with the Boise P.D. does not indicate anything about a beating.

The Department of Homeland Security issued a statement regarding the incident saying, in part, "An individual attempted to enter the federal building without an ID . When stopped, the individual became disruptive and combative and then fled the vehicle."

TODAY'S 6 NEWS read Mr. Rice the DHS statement. Rice was flabbergasted. He says DHS' description of events are "way off the mark, ridiculous and a complete lie."

Lee Rice was arraigned in Boise on Thursday morning. His trial is set for June 20th. He faces charges of resisting arrest and obstruction of justice.

VIDEO AT LINK: http://www.kivitv.com/story/14584463/man-arrested-at-federal-building-speaks-out

[Horn]

"An individual attempted to enter the federal building without an ID

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6cOWcDdl88