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PatColo

1st May 2011, 07:53 PM

Article published 11/08, midst of the global financial shock. Most of the views expressed I'd say would be transferable to any Western "sex tourist" worldwide, also wrt to the popular "sex tourism destinations" worldwide, incl. wider SE Asia and parts of Latin America. The interesting aspects in this article unique to "Israeli sex tourists", include their feelings about what snobby beeotches typical Israeli women are, which evokes the "Women's Lib as illuminati-bankster plot to weaken society" theory, interesting because Israeli society (Rothschild's country), has apparently been similarly affected by the destruction of traditional gender roles and consequent tension/frustration between the genders in relationships. Did the 'luminati banksters have their own headquarters: Apartheid-Israel in mind too when they rolled out their "Women's Lib Movement"?? You'd think not...

Also unique to "Israeli sex tourists" perspective is the vomit-inducing section on "Giving them a nasty STD Zionism"-- educating the prostitutes about how eeevil the scary moozlemist Aye-rabs are, and then there's the well-brainwashed IDF soldiers' perspective,

[...] "You see how we have a culture of personal glorification, of saying that who you are is related to the occupation of the other. This is how people grow, through the subjugation of others. It's possible to see this in the way we don't acknowledge what is happening in Gaza or the failures of the Second Lebanon War. We see these as the result of us not finishing the job, because the resistance of the prostitute was too strong. She said there was a limit to how much you can trample on her." [...]

eww, just, eww. :-X

Then there's some observation about Buddhism, dominant in Thailand/SE Asia, as being non-judgmental wrt sexual matters. But I know from time spent in Latin America, ostensibly Catholic dominated- that the prostitution & marital infidelity scene is pretty swingin', so I tend to dismiss Buddhism as a factor. But religion surely is a factor in the attitudes/cultures in other countries wrt gender/sex relations: scary moozlemismist countries come to mind.

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What do Israeli sex tourists in Thailand really think? (http://www.haaretz.com/news/what-do-israeli-sex-tourists-in-thailand-really-think-1.258475)
Guy Brucker spent three months in Pattaya, where Israeli men go for one reason - to have sex with prostitutes.
By Yotam Feldman and Haaretz Correspondent

joe_momma

1st May 2011, 08:13 PM

Wow - such hatred!

Am I incorrect to believe (from the article) that the reason Jewish wives are angry that their men are (paying) for sex in Thailand is that this means the men are not spending money on them?

Glass

1st May 2011, 08:18 PM

joe_momma

1st May 2011, 08:44 PM

PatColo

1st May 2011, 09:10 PM

I remember seeing a kind of underground web site, this goes back a lot of years now. It was kind of like a version of Lonely Planet but for sex tourism. Men would share their experiences of picking up girls, prostitutes or escourts in various countries around the world. They would say this tourist spot was good to pick up such and such girls or they would share stories of who they picked up and where. On the steps of this monument or what ever. All money or "gift" related encounters. Can't recall it's name. Its big business for sure.

prolly http://www.internationalsexguide.info

I'm in Chiang Mai now, BTW, home of Dr. Doom! (http://www.businessinsider.com/12-places-to-go-if-the-world-goes-to-hell-2010-9#chiang-mai-1) :D

Yes my guess is the Israeli womens' main beef is their mates' allocation of his monetary resources.

Yes 99.9X% of prostitutes worldwide are in it for survival. It's broadening out in the West with the banksters' controlled demolition of the Middle Class- check your craigslist "casual encounters/ women seeking men" section lately? It's not just underclass crack-ho's anymore, it's the mushrooming former Middle Class, selling more than buying, as you might imagine.

joe_momma

1st May 2011, 09:17 PM

I'm in Chiang Mai now, BTW, home of Dr. Doom! (http://www.businessinsider.com/12-places-to-go-if-the-world-goes-to-hell-2010-9#chiang-mai-1) :D

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IMHO - there is a private museum just outside of Chiang Mai, the very best thing you can see. The owner spent his entire life buying up the traditional teak carvings - some are hundreds of years old - the "museum" is a jumble of amazing carvings - well worth your time. (Granted, the Queen mothers chalet is nice, at least the gardens are as well as the Hmong villages to just outside, but the museum is beyond belief.)

PatColo

1st May 2011, 09:22 PM

oh yeah there's also this article, a guest writer at Makow's site; author's "chauvinism" is offset in the nice mix of insightful reader comments after:

Thailand - Retirement Paradise For White Men (http://www.henrymakow.com/thailand_is_paradise_found_for.html)

ShortJohnSilver

1st May 2011, 09:41 PM

As far as commercial prostitution, the US really started it (Vietnam war), though like many Asian cultures, the females are clearly second class citizens (technically third behind the water buffalo). The girls in the western bars are thrilled to make 8,000B (~$250 US) a month (about half is sent home). The Thai brothels are far worse in rural areas (both pay scale and lack of [western] condoms).

I agree in the main with your post, however, blaming it on USA during Vietnam war is not accurate.

"women are blades of grass for men to step on" - proverb/saying said to young women in China (and prob. other parts of Asia) pre-WWII.

Read the book by Pearl S Buck, "The Good Earth" again, written pre-WWII and the use of women for pleasure inside and outside of marriage is widespread.

For the Philippines, it was the Spanish priests who got a lot of women knocked up, later it was Spanish traders and others out to make their fortune; this started long long before the USA even got involved in the Phils.

Another saying "Asia is hell for women and heaven for men" ...

gunDriller

2nd May 2011, 07:07 AM

oh yes, these girls transported from their remote towns where people fall in love and get married and have children and build a family and a home and live naeive safe content lives are just oozing to have lots of fornication in every decadant way NOT Because their pimp beats them and starves them and hooks them on the junk. Its because they want to. And they are all budhists so clearly budhism doesn't care, obviously, because after all they are all budhists. HUH?

Crazy justification but it's whats to be expected from people. THey will use what ever to justify their own morally destitute souls.

These girls are doing it for survival. Not because they want to. If they are lucky someone might pluck them from this hell hole but will their pimp just let them go? And wear the income loss? Not likely.

Umm, a request, please live in Thailand for a few months before posting uninformed statements.

IMHO can reside in Hua Hin, Chaing Mai, Isaan, Song Kla or even Bangkok it does not matter - the story is the same.

Yes, Ya Bah (meth) is a problem throughout SE Asia, but not forced on girls (unlike the US). Granted, using meth allows girls to dance on stage longer, getting more tips and more "offers" but the down side is readily visible to everyone as the drug takes it toll. (Thais still have a death penalty on drug trafficking.)

As far as commercial prostitution, the US really started it (Vietnam war), though like many Asian cultures, the females are clearly second class citizens (technically third behind the water buffalo). The girls in the western bars are thrilled to make 8,000B (~$250 US) a month (about half is sent home). The Thai brothels are far worse in rural areas (both pay scale and lack of [western] condoms).

The Thai girls in general have a 4-6th grade education, and usually, at least one child who the (Thai) father abandoned shortly after birth, and no options - unless starving on a rice paddy in Isaan counts - (per capita income is far less than $100 US per month). The bar girls are in the bars hoping to get lucky - either marry a foreigner and live in Europe/US, or at least get a few $100 US a month in subsidy. This seems to happen often enough that the girls are willing to take the chance - literally the Thai lottery.

Do they have other options? Yes - work in a factory town for $200 a month - less the mandatory room rental fees and food (oh, btw rape is both frequent and not prosecuted), stay in Isaan (and be raped by an "uncle" continually) - that is about it. No education, no skills, no options.

My experience with the bargirls is that they want nothing more than security, and preferably, a good heart (meaning they will not be physically abused by their husband). These poor girls have no good choices and very little hope of a future.

The really sad part is that Thailand is way ahead of its neighbors - Myanmar, Laos, or Cambodia (all sh*tholes).

one of the guys at the local wireless Internet cafe used to come in at 6 AM to do Skyping with his ex-wife's relatives in Thailand to try and get his wife back.

he married the daughter of a crime gang. his ex-wife's mother in law is a Madam, and a retired prostitute. we'll call him John #1.

we often use the term "whore" as a derogatory term, but i don't think it is anything to be ashamed of. as people are pointing out, these girls don't have many choices. for many, prostitution is the least unpleasant of many unpleasant choices.

anyway, John #1 is about 55 years old. his ex-wife is in her 20's. the arrangement was, he was supposed to send his ex-wife's family - specifically, her mother - about $200 a month - every month.

he got tired of sending the money. he wasn't exactly Superman - about 5'5", 200 pounds +, and we're not talking a Franco Columbo build (one of Schwarzenegger's shorter bodybuilding colleagues).

anyway, he used the wireless at the Internet cafe because they had great bandwidth at 6 AM, 10 times faster than later in the day. and since he was Skyping, and the place was very un-crowded, and John #1 was quite distraught about the loss of his wife, i learned far more than i ever expected about the Thai sex tourism industry.

basically, although John #1 could offer his wife a home in the US, and was willing to support her while she went to college, she chose to go for a younger, wealthier, fitter, new husband, in Thailand.

of course, it took John #1 a while to let go. that's where we, the other early morning customers of the Internet cafe, came in. we got to hear the whole bloody mess. it went on for weeks. then John #1 took off for Thailand.

of course, his ex-mother-in-law is one of the chieftains in a major organized crime family. and John #1 stands out like a fat white man in a land of skinny Thai people.

if he actually did venture too far into his ex-wife's village and the surrounding region, my guess is, he'll be looking to come out with one kidney intact.

Awoke

4th May 2011, 01:03 PM

PatColo

20th May 2011, 05:00 AM

Still in Land of Smiles. :) This forum TeakDoor (http://teakdoor.com) is good, bunch of resident expats and travelers (usu in long distance relationships), very active, almost all males from US CA AU NZ EU, not a sex tourism site but not prudish.

This subforum's good,
Living In Thailand Forum (http://teakdoor.com/living-in-thailand-forum/index2.html) - How much rent should I pay? Should I buy a car or bike? Does Tesco sell the cheapest toasters? Will soi food poison me? Are insects delicious? Should I marry a bar girl?

good threads:
How Does the Thai Population Support Itself (http://teakdoor.com/living-in-thailand-forum/89881-how-does-thai-population-support-itself.html)
Thai culture - is there a flipside (http://teakdoor.com/living-in-thailand-forum/90346-thai-culture-is-there-a-flipside.html)
My first Thai police interaction (http://teakdoor.com/living-in-thailand-forum/91239-my-first-thai-police-interaction.html)
Sinsod for 19y/o ex-virgin girlfriend (http://teakdoor.com/living-in-thailand-forum/90669-sinsod-19y-o-ex-virgin-girlfriend.html)
Thai Dating Scene (http://teakdoor.com/living-in-thailand-forum/62281-thai-dating-scene.html) - "Hi I'm a 19 year old white male. What should I expect as far as dating in Thailand? When I say dating, I mean dating LOL, I'm young enough not to need to go to the girl bars. "
Girlfriend's mother has just lost major face (http://teakdoor.com/living-in-thailand-forum/88183-girlfriends-mother-has-just-lost-major.html)
Should I Take The Risk ? (http://teakdoor.com/living-in-thailand-forum/87525-should-i-take-the-risk.htmll) - on trying to open a biz in Thailand
Attacked, a cautionary tale (http://teakdoor.com/living-in-thailand-forum/90079-attacked-a-cautionary-tale.html) - see the vid in this reply (http://teakdoor.com/living-in-thailand-forum/90079-attacked-a-cautionary-tale-3.html#post1735733) - good thing I don't drink! ;D

those are just a handful from the recent 2 pages that subforum.

ShortJohnSilver

20th May 2011, 06:13 AM

Have to say PatColo, some of those threads are a fun read!

PatColo

20th May 2011, 07:40 AM

Have to say PatColo, some of those threads are a fun read!

I'm still getting through the Thai dating one, this old Ozer has generously shared (http://teakdoor.com/living-in-thailand-forum/62281-thai-dating-scene-3.html#post1278937) his sex life story,

Life certainly gets more complicated as we get older. When I was a young bloke, all you had to do was buy a girl a few beers or vodka and oranges and offer to give her a lift home from the pub on a Friday night. There was a few uppedy bitches there that drank those blue lagoon liqueur drinks, but I always gave those ones a miss because I figured they wouldn't come across.

Then when all this sexual equality stuff came in the girls started getting their own cars, which kinda thinned out the pickings at the pub in getting a root for the price of a lift home. The bitches still expected you to buy their drinks for them though. The pick up lines had to change then. Like, -- "G'day, you drive down here tonight or what?"

After several years of marriage followed by a divorce I found the rules had changed again. Casual roots were harder to come by now and required a bit more work. Most of the gash on the market was divorced with a couple of kids and of course the house courtesy of the ex. They had become far more cagey about handing over the goods. Most of them were better off financially than the blokes but still expected the blokes to pay. Conversation over a nice dinner on a first date went like an interview with a bank manager, -- they all seemed to be asking the same sorts of questions. Questions like -- where do you work. How long have you been there ($)? Do you own your own home or do you rent ($)? I sometimes expected them to pull a calculator to total up my nett worth. Prostitution by stealth really.

Occasionally you would come across a root rat that wanted to go at it day and night, but usually they were damaged goods with some serious baggage. Got stuck with one such nutter for over a year when I was in my early 30s. But couldn't stand the drama of regular split ups and reunions. The last I saw of her was when I threw her down the front stairs. It was only 4 stairs and there was grass at the bottom, so not so bad.

That was the start of my "blue period" where I didn't go out much anymore. Discouraged that most of the sheilas who were formerly up for it had priced themselves out of the market.

Then I discovered Thailand at 41 years old. It was like dieing and going to pussy heaven. It was still all about money, but the prices were so much lower and the pussy was so much younger with firm bodies.
After a while I tired of the hookers and met my now Thai wife. Same age as me.

We married after a year and 3 months in Oz to see how she liked it. All was rosey for a few years until she became westernized by a couple of feminazi bitches she worked with and who had taken her under their wings as a project to educate to the western womens ways. At the same time she started socializing with a couple of younger ex-Thai whores who had snared older farangs. Both of whom have since cleaned their spouses out financially and moved on now. We had some tough times for a few years, but things have settled down now.

Bottom line is that I have come to see that most women are whores in one respect or another. Good luck to those blokes who claim their Thai wives are financially independent and stay with them for their good looks and charm. If true, I reckon they are in a small minority. Women anywhere dont marry foreigners 20, 30, 40 years their senior simply because Thai man no good, -- butterfly too mutt. Though I do understand that such an arrangement could evolve into true feelings of love and companionship.

Now that I am approaching 60 here in farangland I see that there is a surplus of lonely 50 to 60 year old females, some of them quite wealthy. Thier price has come down considerably with age. But what sort of bloke would want to team up with a 60 year old farang woman when there is all those hard bodied little brown things in Thailand going so cheap? Same goes for Thai women I suppose since I have yet to run into another farang married to a Thai in their own age group.

I been married to a Thai for 15 years now and be dammed if I am going to deny myself the pleasure of the occasional dalliance with a cute little 20 year old in my final years. Its really just a matter of following Thai protocol. Dont ever do it in a place where your wifes friends might see and cause the big loss of face thing for her. And when accused of such things, simply lie and denigh, again so loss of face will not occur. And thirdly, make sure the wife is looked after financially so that she doesn't think some other woman is getting her share of the loot.

The world is full of prostitutes in one form or another. Its just a matter of knowing the rules and working within the system to get the best out of it while we are still here and able to enjoy lifes pleasures. Becoming a beaten and subservient husband in my final years ain't for me. Too much living to do and too little time left. Just got to play by the rules and keep the peace is all.

When I was 20 the pussy was laid on in droves. When I was 30 it dried up somewhat. When I was 40 it had priced itself out of the market. Now I am approaching 60, the world is my oyster once again. And I ain't going to let that final opportunity get away. Being older and wiser has some advantages. Discretion is the key.

solid

20th May 2011, 08:00 AM

I'm still getting through the Thai dating one, this old Ozer has generously shared (http://teakdoor.com/living-in-thailand-forum/62281-thai-dating-scene-3.html#post1278937) his sex life story,

When I read stories like that, it gives me little hope for humanity. Think about all the wars we've fought over the years, technological advances..and yet when it comes down to the basics on men/women relationships...men are valued by their financial worth, and women are valued by their sex and beauty.

A good buddy who's a teacher told me something shocking, that for the first time ever, women now make more then men do in the big cities, salary wise. There is also more women working then men, at least here in the US.

Given the fact that women rarely pair up with men who make less than them, the trend is more single lonely women who "wonder where all the men went"....and then men, going to places like Thailand and livin' it up (so they think). What a disgrace, in general. It's all wrong.

Read what this guy has to say..
http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2011/05/16/why-i-started-using-escorts/

PatColo

23rd June 2011, 11:57 PM

Cheeky Thai girl... (http://teakdoor.com/living-in-thailand-forum/93048-cheeky-thai-girl.html) (http://teakdoor.com/images/td_default/misc/multipage.gif 1 (http://teakdoor.com/living-in-thailand-forum/93048-cheeky-thai-girl.html) 2 (http://teakdoor.com/living-in-thailand-forum/93048-cheeky-thai-girl-2.html))

a pattaya bar-girl is filmed by a john; she's on her cell phone stringing along some poor farang (foreigner) sap who loves her and is juicing her with cash/etc from afar.

Interesting discussion follows among the salty farangs who hang around teakdoor.com re the relativistic morality of the whole situation.

separately, guest writer @ Makow,
My Disastrous Taiwan Marriage (http://www.henrymakow.com/canadian_rues_marriage_to_taiw.html)

^^^ common thread in these Western-male/ non-Western-female relationships is-- male seeks refuge from Western feminazified biatches, female seeks some redistribution of the wealth imbalance!

PatColo

24th June 2011, 07:30 AM

another couple threads from teakdoor, relevant here,

Sign in Pattaya hotel. (http://teakdoor.com/pattaya-forum/92551-sign-in-pattaya-hotel.html) - maybe a hoax sign, maybe not, u decide!

http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z324/thai2222/9f6e1001.jpg

also,

So there I was at Tesco and...... (http://teakdoor.com/the-teakdoor-lounge/92928-so-there-i-was-at-tesco.html) - another thai birds stringing along retarded farangs thread

This phenom of pretty sirens from developing countries spinning tangled webs as they seek to reel in one or more "rich" western sponsor/husbands, is quite a running theme! I saw it first hand too in Latin American tourism destinations... hang around a public internet cafe, and count the birds sitting there, dolled up for the webcam, running multiple chat sessions... sad but true: it's really the greatest hope of many of these women for a better life, and many are quite organized & methodical in their pursuits... the internet and cheap mobile phones have really exploded things - in the 80s, 90s & prior, there were "foreign bride" matchmaker services which were newsletter/postal-service based; my how far we've come!

Besides the "Living In Thailand Forum (http://teakdoor.com/living-in-thailand-forum/index2.html)" subforum, "the lounge" subforum @ teakdoor (where the above Tesco... thread resides) is rich with wacky/tacky threads,
The TeakDoor Lounge (http://teakdoor.com/the-teakdoor-lounge/)

joe_momma

24th June 2011, 07:49 AM

Seen similar "signs" attributed to hotels in Thailand in the past - but for Indians, Africans, and Arabs. I think few (if any) are real - most larger businesses won't lose out on potential customers. The only large scale (permanent) business I've seen had a sign specifically forbidding "ladyboys" from entry. (The role of the "3rd sex" in SE Asia is odd and complex - suffice to say it something like Rue Paul on steroids or the dinner show at "SF Asia" in San Francisco - Google/Wiki probably has workplace safe information.)

The small street vendors [these set upon the sidewalk after 10pm and run overnight - usually a single owner working from a cart with 3-4 tables selling food/alcohol] occasionally will have these signs in the red light areas - e.g., Sukhumvit down near Soi 3 - but one could argue that this is adverse selection - the 3 am customer base in a red light district is a rather narrow segment of the general population and much more homogenous (i.e., uniform) than the normal tourist crowd.

PatColo

6th August 2011, 07:30 PM

good article, apparently an original from a big thai dating site: thailovelines. I've only read a couple of the "other resources..." articles I included at the end, but they seem to be of similar high quality - although some are a bit "self-serving" towards their online matchmaking service, which ostensibly matches men with "mainstream" Thai women.

I didn't do any of the text bolding in the article, and oddly, they don't appear that way at the source where I did a straight C/P job... a WYSIWYG anomaly, or more likely hidden format coding at the source which the C/P picks up... I imagine their web people anticipate returning to the (hidden) bolded lines in the future, to link them up to further reading articles. PC

Thailand has a Giant sized prostitution industry that is not just for foreign men. (http://www.thailovelines.com/Frontinfo/thai-prostitute.php)

Unfairly or not, Thailand has quite a reputation for prostitution. Bangkok and Pattaya, in particular, are renowned for their decadent nightlife and a whole range of sexual activities and establishments that amount, in effect, to wholesale prostitution.

The prostitution industry in Thailand is huge particularly in these city centres. No one denies this and it is estimated that the number of Thai girls or Thai ladies engaged in the Thai prostitution industry can be measured in the hundreds of thousands. One report in 2003 estimated that Thai prostitution is 3% of the overall Thai economy. Another economic estimate of the value of the industry in 2007/2008 is over $5 billion. There are four hundred thousand prostitutes in the Bangkok metropolitan area alone and this level of prostitution is replicated all over Thailand. Thousands of foreign men come every week to Thailand to meet Thai prostitutes thus fueling the prostitution industry but what is not often publicised is that the prostitution industry in Thailand essentially caters for Thai men of all backgrounds on a massive scale.

Background to prostitution in Thailand

In 1960 prostitution in Thailand was actually made illegal as the Thai authorities came under pressure from the United Nations. However, this law was countered in 1966 by a law which allowed for the creation of entertainment establishments offering 'special services.' This law was instigated as part of a government initiative to generate additional income from the large numbers of US armed forces stationed in Thailand and Vietnam at that time.This law, in effect, implicitly tolerates prostitution in Thailand. So much so, that Thai bar girls, who everyone knows are prostitutes, are displayed through glass windows in bars and entertainment centres without any interference from the Thai authorities.

Aids and health in Thai prostitution centres

Many foreign men who visit Thailand to engage with Thai prostitutes often frequent beer bars, go-go bars or entertainment centres where dancers can be chosen and a bar fine paid to the establishment if the man wishes to leave with the Thai girl. These establishments are part of the giant prostitution industry. Many are, in fact owned by westerners but all insist rigorous monthly health checks for the Thai bar girls who are effectively working as prostitutes. The onset of Aids brought about a new policy from the Thai authorities where practical help, assistance and protection for the Thai bar girls became the main priority of government officials. The same is true for foreign NGOs, many of whom, have a neutral stance to the prostitution itself and work to prevent Aids/HIV while providing assistance to the Thai girls working in the Thai prostitution industry.

Thai prostitution is caused by widespread poverty in some parts of Thailand

Whole areas of Bangkok and Pattaya have given away to prostitution and large numbers of beautiful Thai bar girls in Thailand work within it. In fact, the western term, prostitute is not how Thai society or culture sees it. Many Thai bar girls from poorer backgrounds come to work within the prostitution industry in Thailand to assist families or from lack opportunity. This fact, combined with Thai social structure, where polygamy is still tolerated and where many Thai men think it a right to have a Thai girl as a mistress, promotes a different culture to that which exists in western or other foreign countries. Essentially, the prime reason for Thai prostitution is economics or poverty while Thai society and the history of Thai prostitution allows it to flourish.

Media Coverage of Thai prostitution is unfair

Media coverage of this is a little unfair. While the concept of prostitution in Thailand is different to what it is in occidental culture, this is, in fact, true of many parts of Asia. India, Philippines China and Taiwan, for instance, have more prostitutes per capita than Thailand yet Thailand is still branded as the prostitution capital of the world.

Foreign men and Thai bar girls - not a match made in heaven

It is not uncommon for foreign men to visit Thailand and fall in love with Thai bar girls. Many Thai bar girls, who are, in fact, prostitutes, do not conform to the stereotypical image of a prostitute that most westerners hold. They are often sincere, friendly and well intentioned individuals working in a highly developed industry which is somewhat socially accepted. They come from all over Thailand to work as prostitutes. The true extent and nature of Thailand's massive prostitution industry is something foreign men should be aware of. Many foreign men actually form relationships with Thai bar girls and it is also not uncommon for many of the Thai girls to have a foreign man as a sponsor, sending money to support her for instance or to pay for educational opportunities. Many less scrupulous girls have a number of such sponsors. The elderly and not so elderly foreign man falling for the manipulative bar girl has become the butt of many jokes and a classic stereotype. It is also, in many cases, the truth of the matter.

The truth itself is a bit more complex. As a rule, foreign men should be cautious of getting involved with any Thai bar girl. It could well be a lot easier on both parties. It is possible to enjoy this side of the Thai experience, if that is what you like, but it is a thing quite apart from setting out to find a genuine Thai partner, girlfriend or wife. Foreign men should remember, above all else, that in spite of the large prostitution industry the massive majority of Thai women and Thai girls are, in fact, traditionally conservative and observe high standards of moral behaviour. Because of the incessant media coverage of Thai prostitution, this can be difficult to accept.

Mainstream is better if you seek a relationship with a Thai girl

The chances of finding a successful relationship with a mainstream Thai girl are quite high even though it may take a little effort at the start. Many of the Thai bar girls working in Thai prostitution industry, in fact, are very sincere and honest but if they have been working at this for a quite a while, it is very difficult to expect them to be able to a adjust to a serious relationship with a foreign man in addition to all the other challenges that this presents quite apart from her background. However, as in Thai culture, everyone is free to make their own choices, one must be careful of generalisation.

Do not follow your heart with Thai bar girls.

We have established that Thai people have a somewhat different concept of prostitution. This may help avoid misunderstanding the nature of their relationship with the lovely young bar girls to be found in the nightlife centres. Thai people are not as contemptuous of the concept of prostitution as westerners are.

The background to this is a difference of religion and heritage. Many of the girls working in the industry would be deeply upset to discover the western understanding of prostitution. In fact, this gentler emphasis combined with the elegance and politeness of Thai women is what makes the proposition so alluring to the hordes of farang who flock to Thailand's shores.

Some signs of a change towards prostitution?

Recently a candidate for governor of Bangkok ran on a ticket of clamping down on some of the prostitution centres in the city. He was not successful while another candidate was none other than Chuwit Kamolvisit, the former massage parlour tycoon who, while he did not win, did a lot better. He was, in fact, dong quite well in the polls before, on the eve of the election, physically assaulting a Thai reporter on live TV. In 2003, a proposal was floating to legalise prostitution in Thailand as a way to counter corruption. Then former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra unsuccessfully tried to put a ban on members of the ruling Thai political party having mistresses or visiting questionable entertainment centres. The changing nature of Thai society particularly the emergence of an educated middle class has caused some in the country to question what has been going on, it should also be said. For now, though, the nature of Thai prostitution makes it sometimes difficult for a foreign man to remember where the boundaries lie especially when he is having such a good time.

Here, it is the foreign man who is also somewhat vulnerable as well as the beautiful Thai bar girl. The different types of Thai prostitution including the less defined area of 'taking care' of a Thai woman as a relationship partner makes it an even bigger minefield. It is good advice for any foreign man to read the many books on the subject that are available in order to fully understand the dynamics of such a relationship before finding oneself caught up in a whirlwind which may well lead to recrimination, despair and even something more traumatic
Buddhism may help foreign men to understand Thai culture

Again the key to understanding another Thai enigma is to look at Buddhism. The Thai people take pride, perhaps correctly in Thai moral freedom. Prostitution is more acceptable in Thailand as many Thai people believe more in the concept of moral freedom and are not quick to judge others. Many of the girls who come from all over rural Thailand are deeply committed to Buddhism but are forced, through circumstance, to accept this role in order to serve their families. Many Thai prostitutes do not drink alcohol, smoke or take drugs. They can be quite sincere and honest within the limits of their trade. That said, it has to be admitted, from anecdotal evidence, that there are some who are not so. There are many reports of Thai bar girls using drugs and alcohol while collecting wired money from multiple fiances, deceiving elderly farang into paying for property in Thailand (http://www.thailovelines.com/Thailand-property.php)which they own and a host of other scams.

There have even been reports of foreign men being brutalised, framed and murdered. They are a very small percentage but reason enough to be cautious.

Other resources you might visit:

Travel to Thailand (http://www.thailovelines.com/Thailand-travel.php)
Buying property in Thailand (http://www.thailovelines.com/Thailand-property.php)
Entertainment in Thailand (http://www.thailovelines.com/Thailand-entertainment.php)
The Thai economy & infrastructure (http://www.thailovelines.com/Thailand-economy.php)
Media & Information sources (http://www.thailovelines.com/Thailand-media.php)
Thai Dating and Foreign Men (http://www.thailovelines.com/Frontinfo/foreign-men-thailand.php)
Thai Women love Thailand (http://www.thailovelines.com/Frontinfo/dating-thai-women.php)
Getting a visa for your Thai Bride (http://www.thailovelines.com/Frontinfo/thai-woman-visa.php)
The truth about Thai prostitution (http://www.thailovelines.com/Frontinfo/thai-prostitute.php)
Thai Women make Canada No. 2 (http://www.thailovelines.com/Frontinfo/Thai-Canada-internet-dating.html)
UK Thai women face challenges (http://www.thailovelines.com/Frontinfo/thai-dating-women-uk.html)
American men use internet dating (http://www.thailovelines.com/Frontinfo/thai-women-america.html)
Thai Women - successful in Australia (http://www.thailovelines.com/Frontinfo/thai-women-australia.html)
Thai Brides community in Denmark (http://www.thailovelines.com/Frontinfo/thai-women-brides-denmark.html)
Thai Dating in Thailand works (http://www.thailovelines.com/Frontinfo/Thai-Dating-Sites.html)
Thai Women in Norway (http://www.thailovelines.com/Frontinfo/thai_women_norway.htm)
USA Thai Women live the dream (http://www.thailovelines.com/Frontinfo/thai_women_usa.htm)
Thai Women - not just Thai Brides (http://www.thailovelines.com/Frontinfo/thai_women_internet.html)
More seek retirement in Thailand (http://www.thailovelines.com/Frontinfo/thailand-retirement.html)
Thai restaurant for a taste of Thailand (http://www.thailovelines.com/Frontinfo/thai-restaurant.html)
Thai Girlfriends, Friendship or Sex? (http://www.thailovelines.com/Frontinfo/thai-girlfriends.html)
Western men marry Thai women (http://www.thailovelines.com/Frontinfo/thai-women-western-men.html)
Thai Brides examined in Australia (http://www.thailovelines.com/Frontinfo/thai-brides-australia-girls-from-thailand.html)
Thai Brides dislike German weather (http://www.thailovelines.com/Frontinfo/thai-women-germany.html)
UK men now No.1 for Thai Brides (http://www.thailovelines.com/Frontinfo/thai-brides-uk.html)

PatColo

10th February 2012, 06:09 AM

Western Women on Khao San Road Speak Out About Thailand's Sex Tourists (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX2c5HH4CYA)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX2c5HH4CYA

Uploaded by ThaiLawForum on Feb 1, 2012
thailawforum: Interviews of Western women on Sukumvit Road and Khao San Road (the center of Thailand Backpacker culture) about Western men visiting Thailand for romance love and of course, sex. We questioned Western ("Farang") women about Thailand's reputation for luring hoards of Western male tourists every year. The Western women in Thailand that we interviewed (both expats and tourists) felt that Western men traveling to Thailand were mostly interested in sex and prostitution. Negative stereotypes of "Thailand sex tourism" included the sexual and financial exploitation of Thai women and the overall shallowness of these relationships and the mail order bride and dating website business.

Nevertheless other Western women had a more open minded view about Western men looking for love and romance in Thailand. Some Western women commented that they felt sympathy for Western men who may be being exploited financially by manipulative Thai women. Some Western women commented that Western women could learn from Thai women about how to treat men and asserting femininity rather than being overly aggressive. Why Thai Women marry Foreign Men
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vxz_LPVt34)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vxz_LPVt34

PatColo

20th April 2012, 08:47 AM

few disparate links,

18 April 2012 Last updated at 17:30 GMT
Image of naked woman halts Thai parliament debate (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17761210)

Thailand 2022: Tourism authority re-targets single male travellers (http://teakdoor.com/the-teakdoor-lounge/106523-thailand-2022-tourism-authority-re-targets.html)

lastly, prolly most on-topic here, "Mee" is a 27yo Thai lady, worked in some dubious role at an entertainment center[/URL], marrying a 60yo Brit with adult kids.

[URL]http://vimeo.com/1314479 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_girl)

http://vimeo.com/1314479

proper description there reads,

(Documentary : 28 mins)
“Mee and My Dad” is a documentary that follows the film maker’s journey to Thailand, where his sixty year old dad is about to marry a twenty seven year old Thai woman called Mee.
The film has been selected for the 2008 Sheffield International Documentary Festival and has also won the director, Lorne Kramer, Channel 4’s prestigious Emerging Talent award for Documentary.

Director - Lorne Kramer
Producer - Helen Bentley
Camera - Becky Bell
Here's a discussion thread on it at a different forum, 184 replies, many "teach english in Thailand" expat types.
Thread: British son checks up on old dad's marriage to young Thai gold digger. (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/the-virtual-pub/66546-british-son-checks-up-on-old-dads-marriage-to-young-thai-gold-digger.html)

gunDriller

20th April 2012, 11:49 AM

one of the guys at the local Internet cafe used to Skype with the family of his ex-wife, pleading for their help "getting his marriage back."

he - Cliff - was 55 to 60 years old, she was about 25.

the conversations went on for hours. wish i'd recorded them. for your entertainment benefit. :)

you could write a book about Cliff's Thai Marriage Experience. he married the daughter of a local Triad Madam - a retired prostitute who ran one of the larger Thai tribes (criminal organization / family).

he was supposed to 'donate' about $300 a month to the family Triad for the privilege of being married to their daughter. his ex-wife preferred to stay near the Triad with a new, wealthier boy-friend than to live in the US with Cliff.

Cliff was about 5'5" 250 pounds.

PatColo

22nd April 2012, 09:20 PM

^ not uncommon I'm afraid- I just really can't get into the heads of Western guys who get into these sorts of "ongoing $upport arrangements" with Thai/Asian floozies, while the guy is long since back in the West. There's a whole sub-population of these floozies who make an art of attracting such Western men, and stringing along multiple men in such "arrangements", feigning exclusive loyalty to each, while enjoying multiple income streams. Yes these are generally bar-girl/sex-workers from poor backgrounds, who just need a "sponsor" to give them a hand-up out of the bars and into something more respectable.

Your friend Cliff was probably paying 10K Thai baht/month, or ~$333 USD. Guess what: that's how much the average Thai Uni grad can expect to earn as monthly salary at a full time, 6-day/week job! Works out to $4K USD/year, :o

This "thailandguru" is an American expat in Bangkok with a private investigator biz. That is what he's ultimately promoting, but he has this series of great articles at his site--

Overview of Thai women and girlfriends (GFs) (http://www.thailandguru.com/thai-girlfriends-women.html)

Mainstream Thai lady friends and girlfriends (http://www.thailandguru.com/thai-girlfriends-mainstream.html)

Short time prostitutes (http://www.thailandguru.com/thai-bargirls-prostitutes.html)

Longer time bargirl or freelancer GFs (http://www.thailandguru.com/thai-freelancer-prostitutes.html)

Short time hotels (http://www.thailandguru.com/culture-shorttime-hotels.html) Journals (http://www.thailandguru.com/thailand-journal.html) Moral issues (http://www.thailandguru.com/thai-morals.html)

Good guys trying to help usually get burned (http://www.thailandguru.com/thai-bargirl-burned.html)

What makes a quality relationship (http://www.thailandguru.com/thai-girlfriend-relationships.html)

Getting a travel visa for her (http://www.thailandguru.com/thai-girlfriend-passport-visa.html)

Semi-separately, Makow has recently printed these articles from Fritz Springmeier sharing his sordid tale of getting taken for a ride by a Filipina over the internet- latest article is interesting, as he speculates about the larger criminal organizations behind these women who enable the "sophisticated" scams to work on otherwise "intelligent men",

Fritz Springmeier Burned by Filipina Bride Scam (http://www.henrymakow.com/frtiz_springmeier_victim_of_fi.html)

I was Scammed But Aren't We All? (http://www.henrymakow.com/i_was_scammed_but_arent_we_all.html)

Horn

22nd April 2012, 10:05 PM

Does this "ThailandGuru" have an ego large than, or equal to, the country itself?

By "relationship", I don't necessarily mean a wife. There are relationships where both sides find each other interesting and mutually benefit and learn for awhile. Some Thai ladies like to learn the foreigner ways, just as you may find Thai culture and its differences from your own to be interesting. Many Thai ladies also benefit from exposure to the lifestyle of a foreigner due to his higher spending power. They go to nice places for dining and entertainment, watch expat friends in action, and basically you're a "walking farang entertainment center".

But what's in it for you?

"Love" and affection
Assistance in living in Thailand where you learn things (translations, explanations)
Homemaking (laundry, shopping, good food), save you time and hassle
Work - outside income or helps you with your business
Intellectual input and stimulation (analysis from a different perspective, news, research, etc.)
Sex
Loyalty and security (especially during times of financial or other difficulty, though you might get dumped during financial hard times)

http://www.thailandguru.com/thai-girlfriend-relationships.html

PatColo

21st May 2013, 01:22 AM

MY THAI WIFE (HOW GUYS LOSE IT ALL IN THAILAND) SCAMS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUIbwO05JAA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUIbwO05JAA

Published on May 1, 2013
Ted is a 46 year-old salesman from Wales. He is divorced, feels marginalised by middle age and is tired of life in the 'nanny state'. Ted is a frequent visitor to Thailand as a result of his job in an import business. He revels in the freedom he finds in a country where everything is for sale at the right price; including the beautiful young women who want to be with him.

Ted meets Tip who is working in the Rooster Bar. She is in her mid thirties, from the northeastern Issan region, the poorest part of Thailand. Like many Issan women, Tip is uneducated and could never earn enough to own her house or educate her child. She hates the thought of her daughter growing up to be involved in prostitution. When she meets Ted, she thinks she has finally found a foreigner who will take care of her and her daughter.

Ted returns to the UK, but stays in contact with Tip by telephone. He sends her money so she can give up her bar job and return to her family's farm in her village, Krasang. After a few months, at Tip's request, Ted returns to Thailand and marries her. Ted liquidates his assets in Wales and sinks his money into building a house and piggery on Tip's family farm.

He soon discovers there are many other foreign men who have married and settled in northeast Thailand. For many Issan women, marriage to a foreigner provides a way out of debt and a lifetime of difficult work. In northeast Thailand, marriage to a foreigner has become an industry. John, an Australian, says that there are about 90 foreigners living within a five-kilometre radius and that new foreigners arrive every week. Larry, an American, built his wife a large, luxurious house in Krasang. Larry believes she does love him, even though she tells him she doesn't. Grant's wife Pon says that when she took Grant home to Krasang, her friends and relatives all came over to her house to see the foreigner, because they couldn't believe she got one.

Within 12 months, Ted's hopes for a better life have been dashed. His money has disappeared much faster than he expected. Tip and her family don't seem to want him around the farm anymore. When Ted asks Tip if she loves him, she says: "I can't eat or drink your love." Ted leaves the farm destitute and wonders whether it had been a con all along. Ted rents a room in a nearby town. After surviving on credit for several months, Ted begs Tip to give him some of his money back. But she is only willing to buy him a one-way ticket back to the UK.

Economically, Ted and Tip have traded places and Ted has learned what his Thai wife already knew: without money, you lose everything. My Thai Bride is about the power of money to save and destroy -- and the harm that ensues when people are reduced to commodities. While there have been other films about prostitution in Thailand, My Thai Bride explores the lesser known story of the foreign marriage industry and the consequences for the men and women involved.

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I worked at an Embassy in BKK (I won't say which one) for 9 years and we'd deal with around 5 cases like this a WEEK!

Golden Rules:

1) If it seems to good to be true then there's a 99% chance that isn't true...

2) Use the same common sense you would use at home. Don't marry a whore. You wouldn't do it at home, don't do it in Thailand.

3) Never forget that with a Bar Girl, it is a purely financial arrangement and that YOU are the boss. Live where you want to, not where she wants you to. Do what you want to do, not what she wants you to so.

4) Never do as this idiot did and throw all your eggs in one basket.

5) Be aware that not all Thai prostitutes and bloodsuckers work in bars. Some are very cunning indeed.

Just why people come here year in, year out and get into these messes is beyond me especially in this internet age, when cyberspace is rammed full of horror tales and warnings....

There are bars all over most main tourist resorts full of fanny. Why not just plug a few each week, keep your brass safe and enjoy your retirement.

gunDriller

21st May 2013, 07:42 AM

there's something about those bars that is depressing. i would rather live their a few months. i know one American who did that, and stayed. At age 65 he married a woman aged 25, their first child would be about 10 now. Dr. Sam said that taking the child to the doctor costs $15.

just for kicks i looked up Thai colleges
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Thailand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Institute_of_Technology

i would like to get some serious studying in chem. engineering & geology for the mining industry.

American colleges are out-of-sight unaffordable. Fvck that debt.

though i don't speak Thai. i would have to find out if any of them accomodate English speaking students.

Glass

21st May 2013, 07:25 PM

Thailand is an interesting place to visit. Stay out of upstairs bars though. It can cost a lot of money to get out again safely. It is fairly cheap to live. I am actually assessing whether I want to go live there right now. I think cost of living is about 1/2 of what I am paying now. Living space would be less and smack bang in smog filled downtown. I'm trying to develop a small business operating from there. If I can manage to get it going I might be spending 6 months a year there. I've got contacts there who know the lay of the land and have lived there on and off for years so that helps. This biggest issue is the trade offs. Space, clean air and places to exercise and stretch the legs.

Horn

21st May 2013, 11:55 PM

and places to exercise and stretch the legs.

That movie Pat posted looked like there were many places to stretch your leg.

Glass

22nd May 2013, 12:31 AM

yes very true, but that is way way north. Day+ to get there and back. I was thinking of looking into the local bicycling scene and seeing what they have but it's pointless in the city. I think there is a fair bit of mountain biking going on there. Maybe you can get to open ground somewhere around the city but I don't know. It was a very large city when I was there 20 years ago. I'm figuring its a bit bigger now.

Mountain Biking around Bangkok
For those who want to escape Bangkok and enjoy some mountain biking we have biking tours for you. While there may not be much mountain biking in Bangkok `itself, within a few hours of the city there are several great places for a day out. Most of these tours are on demand so contact us for more information.
Below are details of our Bangkok mountain biking tours

http://www.bangkokbikerides.com/daytrips

There does seem to be a few scenic rides around town and more if you want to travel a couple of hours. I need a place I can go hard for 2 -3 hours that doesn't take 2 -3 hours to get to. Anyway I'll worry about it when/if I have to.

A cycling tour in Bangkok gives the opportunity to explore the city at speed. If you only have a short time in just a few hours you can get to see some key parts of the city and learn about it's unique culture and history. On one of our Bangkok cycling tours you can also escape the city and by visiting the areas surrounding Bangkok, you can combine visiting places like Ayutthaya, Ko Kret and the Floating Markets, with some great cycling through the Thai countryside and local communitues.

On our cycling tours in Bangkok you can really get off the beaten track and explore areas you would not normally go. Along the rivers and canals there are narrow paths leading to traditional communities, that are not accessible by car and the normal tourist (even some locals) would not know about. There are 100s of temples each with unique features that are perfect for exploring by bicycle

I was actually thinking about the highlighted section. I recall when poking around the back khlongs (canals) there were a lot of open areas tucked right in close to the city. Almost rural but a couple of streets away it was nearly in down town. If you could do these areas at speed that could be great fun and not very far to go to get to them. Small tracks beside the canals and so on.

It would be like riding along the railway sidings/reserves or stormwater canals in the US. Some parts would probably be more like some places you don't want to go in Detroit.

croc

22nd May 2013, 03:32 AM

well glass........ i have been going to thailand every month for the last two years. At work i have been doing 2n2...so its easy
pm me

PatColo

3rd April 2014, 05:52 AM

Yesterday's Bangkok explosion thread (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?76783-Seven-die-in-Bangkok-explosion-after-scrap-metal-dealers-try-to-dismantle-WWII-bomb-w) prompted me to check Bangkok Post (http://bangkokpost.com/) and see what they were saying. On their front page, there was a tease for their forums, with a few of the latest-updated thread titles. This saucy one caught my eye of course,

From a Thai Woman to You -- All Farangs (http://bangkokpost.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=&t=350&sid=a780116792e59b418196b512db09f3ea#p6222)

"Farangs" means foreigners. I see it was begun in 2006... now at 36 pages at 10/page. But I just read the first page and decided to post it here. Check reply #5 from Lisa:

My mother was a hooker that was how we got to US. I AM NOT ASHAMED OF HER. She was working in a bar and married an American guy for green card 20 something years ago. I do not know what was their agreement. All I know was my mother had no HOPE in Thailand. She worked as waitress ever since we got to US. They bought a house together and sold their first house after a few years. They got divorce after my mother got her citenship and she paid him some money. The second house she bought she made 30,000 after 3 years. The house she has now she bought 10 years ago and she has already paid off the bank.

I have to thank to US. I do not ever want to go back to Thailand which I am ashamed of. Last time my mom took me there, her relatives are nother but money sucker. I am very pround of my mother who works very hard for all her life. I just graduated from college which I got whole finacial aid. And I have a job. Yes, there is racist going on in US. Just like anywhere else on earth. But all I know was US gave me all the knowledge I need to land the job I have now.

She goes on to engage in a dialog with some other respondents, interesting story! I look forward to reading more later on. I'm esp curious to find out if the "college financial aid" she got, were LOANS-- and if so, Welcome to the American Dream, Lisa! :)

PatColo

19th August 2014, 11:43 AM

Thursday, 17 July 2014

WHAT THE SUFFERING MOMBASA PARADISE HOTEL WORKERS DISCOVERED ABOUT ISRAELI BEHAVIOUR (http://karanjazplace.blogspot.com/2014/07/what-sufering-mombasa-paradise-hotel.html)

I've decided to reblog this in its entirety. Its written and translated by an Israeli,Gilad Atzmon. Its a rare insight into Israeli attitudes of complete contempt for the Other,the non-Jew,the goy(human cattle) and deep seated pathological narcissism which is at the root of Palestinian suffering. This is also the real reason they've been expelled from over 100 different territories,principalities and nations since the early 1100s.

On 28th November 2002 the Israeli owned Paradise hotel was blown up by the now cliche 'suicide bomber' in a car who supposedly crashed through a barrier onto the hotel grounds. The explosion was massive as the overheads photos show. The roofs were blown off clear off both 4 story annexes facing each other across an open 30 meter space.

http://cdn.historycommons.org/images/events/410_mombasa_bombing2050081722-10067.jpg (http://cdn.historycommons.org/images/events/410_mombasa_bombing2050081722-10067.jpg)

But then again,as the aware observer knows most likely the bomb/s was inside the hotel for maximum damage. The bomber deliberately sacrificed the Hotel staff for realism. The Israeli tourists including senior staff were all outside at the time of the explosion apart from 2 small kids who died.

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSiblqgm0KhX-3OV2c4QcQI-nJjDiWENq-RiuF5GixGXYefenajKA (https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSiblqgm0KhX-3OV2c4QcQI-nJjDiWENq-RiuF5GixGXYefenajKA)

Later the same Israeli 'survivors' faked a missile attack on their departing Arkia airlines charter jet-Their chutzpah is boundless!

“They would say: “I want Harpaya, (ejaculation), I would then ask what this Harpaya means and they would answer, ‘not only harpaya but we want it ‘all inclusive’, full sex.’ I used to tell them that we don’t do it and he would reply, ‘Read my lips, ‘the women are all included’, the salesman in Tel Aviv promised us that it’s Akol Kalul!’ Sometimes one of the female managers would suggest for to us to follow the guests’ demands just as a guarantee that they would come back.”

On 22 November 2002, Hotel Paradise Mombassa, an Israeli Hotel in Kenya, was attacked by a group of terrorists. The following Maariv piece isn’t concerned with Al Qa’eda, but rather with the devastation the Israelis left behind.

This is the story of a beautiful Israeli hotel on the African seashore. It is the story of an Israeli owned holiday resort in Mombassa, Kenya, designed and built solely for the Israeli tourist market. It is also the story of total abuse of the local impoverished population. It is a tale of humiliation, cruelty and continuous daily rape of struggling African women. It is the usual horrendous story of Israelis inflicting pain on others but at times it is very funny in spite of itself. For instance, once a week, when the Israeli groups were departing in busses on their way back to the Mombassa terminal, the local crew ordered the African staff to chase their departing busses with tears in their eyes and to scream ‘please don’t leave us, we love you, please come back’. This bizarre instruction was given to the local crew by the Israeli hotel management as part of the package deal, the last image to bring home of an unforgettable holiday. I allow myself to assume that the Israeli managers detected some clear yearning for love amongst their Israeli clients. One may ask what may stand in the core of such a longing for declarations of love. Considering the clear fact that those Israeli tourists were mainly engaged in turning Mombassa into Hell on earth, why do they really need to feel beloved after all that? I wonder why the Israeli offender insists upon being loved by his victim? Ordinary human beings do not expect to be loved by their hotel receptionists or room cleaners. But then, ordinary human beings do not tend to humiliate, abuse and rape hotel staff. They may spend some time in the hotel, they may enjoy its services and then they just pay and leave politely and quietly. For the Israeli tourists, as you will soon read, staying in the hotel is a clear ‘letting go’. It is the ideal environment to manifest one’s darkest libidinal impetus and practice total denial of any moral conduct. For the Israeli tourist, holiday is the materialisation and embodiment of their control zeal. For the Israelis, as you will read shortly, to go to for a holiday in Africa is to experience the varied possibilities of becoming a very wild animal.

The following journalistic piece is a glimpse into some Israeli pathological psychotic conditions. It is a bizarre story of an absurd criminal identity that demands affection from its victims. The story wasn’t written by myself, I just translated it into English. It originally appeared only in Hebrew in Maariv, Israel’s 2nd biggest daily paper. I spent time translating it because I do believe that is rather crucial to permit people outside of Israel a better understanding of the Israeli character and characteristics. Seemingly, some amongst us tend to believe that the Israeli approach towards the Palestinians is the outcome of specific colonial circumstances. Apparently, they are wrong. Israeliness is a radical form of blind cruelty and the Israelis have no problem taking it with them wherever they go. In Palestine it would be the Palestinians who suffer, in Goa it is the poor Indians. In the following story it is the deprived labour force of Mombassa, Kenya who confronts Israeli sadism. There is an old and famous saying, ‘you can take the man out of Israel but you can never take Israel out of the man’. You may want to take a nice deep breath before you read what the men of Israel are up to.

Fear and Contempt in Heaven

Omri Hasenheim, Kenya
14.10.2005http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART/995/971.html

In hotel Paradise Mombassa, crew members were humiliated by the Israeli tourists, it’s no surprise that even after the 2002 terror attack on the hotel, they refuse to forgive, not Al-Qa’eda but rather us (the Israelis).
It is standing on the white sand that is apparently more beautiful than ever. The luxury buildings invite you for a ‘dream of a break’, the rooms and the suites are loaded with exceptional handmade wooden furniture. In between the restored buildings you find a stream with golden fishes. At the bar you can hear the echo of some laidback African beat. All around the gigantic swimming pool you can see many monkeys jumping around. From the dining room windows you can see the magnificent sea-view. On your way to the dining room you may want to visit the alligator pool, clearly the alligator grew a bit since that horrible day of terror.

Welcome to Heaven, Hotel ‘Paradise Mombassa’
At just a kilometre from there, in a Msomrini village, two orphan girls are making dreadlocks for each other. Not far behind them, an isolated miserable mud shed is standing, all around poorly clothed toddlers are playing. They are dirty, their noses are dripping. A few broken stools are spread around. On one of them, Dama Safaria is sitting. Before Al Qa’eda blew up the very little she had, she used to work as a dancer at the hotel. For two years she danced traditional African folk dances, something that helped her to forget the misery she was born into. In Msomrini, everyone was happy to dance for just $2 a day. In the beginning Dama was rather happy, but then, as time went by, the Israeli employers realised that they could probably get away without paying. After the performances, her husband used to march from the village to the hotel to beg for her wages. “We loved to dance for the Israelis,” says Dama, “but then once the payment day arrived our smiles would fade away.”

On the morning of 22 November 2002, Al Qa’eda terrorists attacked at the hotel. Once the explosion went off, it didn’t take long before Dama realised that her husband was missing. She was horrified, a few minutes later she was told that he was killed. Since then, she is struggling on her own to maintain herself and her nine orphans. Her youngest son is just four years old. From the hotel management she heard nothing. No one came to visit or even just to offer condolences. Neither the Israeli Government nor Kenyan officials have shown any interest. “We, the dancing company, are still owed $120 for the last four performances in front of those Israeli tourists,” she claims in despair.

“After the terror attack my life became impossible. In the winter I beg for the farmers to cultivate our land for literally pennies,” in the summer she herself doesn’t realise how she makes it.

Two month ago ‘Paradise Mombassa’ was reopened under a new management comprised of one Israeli, one French and one American. They try to minimise their exposure, very much like the previous Israeli owner Yeuda Sulami who denies to this day his involvement with the previous management. The new management does its utmost to change the hotel’s image, they are trying to leave the Israeli market behind. Instead they aim to appeal to European and American markets.

But for many locals, this new business face lift won’t make a big difference, the memory of those very years of total abuse by Israeli tourists and management is not going to fade away. They won’t forget the Israeli guests that sexually assaulted them or were just rude and arrogant. They won’t forget the Israeli management who came along with some bizarre professional demands, failing to pay their monthly wages on time and eventually just stopped paying altogether. Now, maybe out of hope, or just the will to open their hearts, they are giving their personal account of ‘Paradise Mombassa’.

The idea to erect an Israeli hotel on Kenya’s seashore in the late 1990’s was proved to be ingenious. Until then, Kenya was famous for its wild Safari adventures. Yeuda Sulami and his business partner Itzik Mamman came up with the idea of using Kenya as an Israeli holiday resort. They founded a company and started to sell holiday packages including flights, accommodation and local tourist adventures. In the beginning, they were buying accommodation services from local companies. But the Israeli appetite knows no limit. ‘Why don’t we make the big money ourselves’ asked the two, ‘we shall build our hotel on the beach.’ Soon, they joined forces with local investors and founded a company based on ‘time sharing’ holiday rentals for Israelis. The Israeli client reacted enthusiastically, at the end of the day it was: a beautiful hotel offering sunny beaches at the time of the Israeli winter, complete with a flourishing cheap sex industry and just four and a half hours’ flight time from Tel Aviv.

The leitmotif that guided Sulami and Maman was that the Israeli guest who may come to Kenya once would return. Thus the promotion packages were sold ridiculously cheap. It all worked out perfectly well. Many Israelis returned and invested in holiday accommodation (one Israeli bought 52 holiday units for the sum of $1.5 million). Every week 250 Israelis landed at Mombassa airport, they found an Israeli hotel, it was fully Kosher and it even had a proper synagogue.

The hotel started to operate in the year 2000 and was officially launched a year later. Local crew was recruited from surrounding hotels. Most workers admit that in the beginning they were rather happy, but things deteriorated rapidly soon after the official opening. Rather soon it was clear that someone was about to pay for the Israeli extravaganza.

Man should never be Alone

Three years later, the humiliating practice is left like an open wound in the memory of the female hotel crew veterans. Once a week, just when the Israelis where checking out on their way back to the airport, a bell rang. ‘Get ready, the guest are leaving,’ announced the head of the entertaining team, frantically chasing the female crew. They were all ordered to gather near to the entrance gate and to chase the leaving busses while weeping desperately in front of the Israelis. Once they caught up with the busses they would bang on its metal frame with tears dropping from their eyes.

“It was a bizarre order,” giggled Saline Aching, the chief masseuse. “We were told to chase the bus, to sing and cry so the guests would know that we love them and want them to come back. I remember myself running like in a frenzied state, I would hit the bus with my fists shouting to the guests, ‘why do you leave us?’ ‘We miss you’, ‘We love you’. The Israelis would stare at us from the windows, some of them believed us to be genuine, others were shooting us with their video cameras. ”

Rahima Josef Katan: “If you were not crying you may find yourself in danger of losing your job. We were asked to think of something bad that happened to us, so we can cry for real. I didn’t cry.” “I didn’t cry,” Confesses Catherine Khaa, masseuse. “How could I, I didn’t love them at all. I fact I hated them.”

The weekly bus chasing was just one example of the way the staff were supposed to treat the Israeli guests. The principles were obvious: humiliation, stripped of dignity and hard labour. The guidelines were clear: The client is always right, the client must be happy, the client must return. The ones who carried most of the burden were the females amongst the entertainment team. Dorothy Maly recollects that once a week, on the arrival day, five of them would be taken to Mombassa airport. “We used sing to them Jambo Jambo (hello hello) and Evenu Shalom Aleichem. The local Kenyans were sure that we had had lost it but the Israelis were over the moon. They loved noise, once we arrived at the hotel, again we started singing loudly. In the night we were instructed by the manager to scream till the last Israeli leaves the dance floor. If a guest decides not to go to sleep, you were required to stay with him till he quits to his room. We were demanded to produce noise almost 24 hours a day. When we took a break, the manager would come and bark: ‘What’s the matter with you, do you fall asleep? I will cut your wage, move on…’.”

The agenda dictated from above was that a bored guest would never return. Rahima Raymond, masseuse: “We were doomed to sit with the guests till the small hours, to hang around with them. Sulami made it clear that we must keep the guests happy. We were dancing with the men in nightclubs just to make sure that they weren’t staying alone. In case we refused to do so, they would complain to the management: ‘Why don’t they come out with us?’ ‘We want to see the African night life’. They obviously didn’t care about our commitments and family life. Obviously, we didn’t get any ‘extra’ for those services. The day after, while they were still in bed we had to start again at eight in the morning. The slogan ‘the client is always right’ took over. Josef Katan: “they taught us a behavioural code, if a man is near to his wife we were supposed to hold his hand in a certain way, if his wife wasn’t around then we should behave rather differently.”

“There were religious Jews who couldn’t sign the room service notes on the Jewish Sabbath. We would then keep a note with their room number attached to their bill. Once Sabbath was over, some of them would just refuse to pay. They would argue that we invented it all, ‘you forged our signatures’, they would say. The management would always believe them and expect us to cover their bills. I just couldn’t believe that humans can behave as such.”

cont'd

PatColo

19th August 2014, 11:45 AM

To se seen like an African

The ever-growing demand to entertain the Israeli guests enforced a maximised utilisation of the local workforce. The crew were mobilised from the many different departments to the entertainment team. “They could pool me out of the kitchen, telling me that the guests want to have a good time and I should go and hang out with them,” says Josef Katan. “ I would then ask, how can I bake cookies and dance simultaneously? The entire hotel was as an entertainment squad. The kitchen stuff were entertainers, the receptionists were entertainers, gardeners were entertainers.” Mali, a dancer: “Saline, the chief masseuse would give us a shout when too many Israelis wanted a massage at the same time. At the time I knew nothing about massage. There was a woman that was brought over by the hotel’s rabbi and she was supposed to teach us. After a short instruction of five minutes I was apparently ready to have a go.”

In order to maintain ‘authentic African spirit’ the staff was obliged to put on very minimal clothes. Unlike the other hotels in the vicinity, where men were serving in uniform, in Paradise Mombassa the male crew were walking around half naked and with bare feet. The females were allowed just a minimal fabric on their breasts and pubes. “Even when temperatures dropped we were not allowed to cover ourselves.” Marci Mawagambo Aching said: “Sulami wanted us to look ‘authentic’ so when you walk around, the guests can check you out for the night. You must be attractive so they re-book another holiday. It was horrible, but what can you do? I needed the money. One of the Israeli female managers told us that we better follow Sulami’s orders, if he wants us too look like Africans, we better look like ones.”

Even most basic conditions were lacking. ‘Paradise Mombassa’ is located 8 kilometres from the main road. The dirt track to the hotel passes through a wild savannah loaded with outlaws. But then a solution was found, a truck originally built to transport livestock was converted to transport forty humans. An Israeli employee says, “it was a truck with a sealed cargo wagon without benches. People were so squeezed in that we had to leave the back door open.” Josef Katan: “We felt like animals. Sometimes we were left with no oxygen, but we knew that if we complained we would then asked to stay in the hotel. That would obviously mean we would not be able to see our families. So we kept quiet.” Once a newly appointed manager asked how the Kenyans felt about the manner in which they were transported. The answer was rather clear, ‘for them it doesn’t matter, as long as they are delivered to their work they are happy.’

Even for meals during the working hours, local crew were left to fend for themselves. But then a creative solution was found. Aching: “there were times when Sulami was kind and let us eat the guests’ leftovers. We were lucky because the Israelis are greedy, they would go to the buffet and put on their plates far more than their bodies can take. They would take piles of salads, and massive chunks of meat, but then, they would barely touch it and leave most of it behind.” Mali: “If to tell the truth, we could see that the food was already on someone else’s plate, but some of us had to eat it, just because they couldn’t afford to buy somewhere else. They where hungry, what could they do?”

But it goes further. It didn’t take long before the local crew realised that they were not insured. It was clearly revealed after a security man was murdered and his colleague was wounded during a burglary, till this day, neither the grieving family nor the wounded man received any compensation. Work contracts were granted only to the very top managers. Lower hierarchy were provided with a meaningless paper stating an agreed figure. This document has never been respected by its initiators.

Good Machine, Good Machine

Saline Aching was curious to understand some Hebrew terms, it is her interest in the Hebrew language that helped her to grasp the meaning of Akol Kalul, all included. Not one hotel staff failed to understand the meaning of the Hebrew idiom that became the hotel business philosophy. All hotel services where included in the price of the holiday package purchased back in Israel. Soon the staff learned that this very idiom means a lot to Israelis.

“All day long I heard the guests shouting Akol Kalul,” says Josef Katan. “Some of them held me by my arm and shouted at me Akol Kalul. Even on the beach they would just shout to passing people Akol Kalul, Akol Kalul. I would then ask them what that ‘Akol Kalul’ means? They would answer, ‘everything, even you’. I used to tell them that I am not Sulami’s property. He owns the hotel but not me. I thought to myself, “God, do they behave as such in their own country?”

In the best case scenario, the Akol Kalul was practiced in the free buffet bar materialising into gigantic chunks of meat put on a single plate. In the worst case scenario, it found its way into the massage room. Needless to say, not even one guest evaded his right to be massaged. Aching says, “The first thing the male guests did upon arrival, even before they unloaded their suitcases in the rooms, they would sprint to the massage room. They would enter the hotel with their eyes wide open asking, ‘where is the massage room?’ I used to plan the daily schedule, there was a competition amongst them who is going to get there first.

Mali: “My role was to tell them: ‘I am Dorothy and I am a masseuse in the hotel’ as soon as I mentioned it they would scream ‘massage, massage’. Most of them couldn’t speak English. They would just say, ‘I come now.’ A tourist from another country would wait even two weeks but in Paradise they wanted it all right on the spot. Sometimes, even before breakfast. Someone would come and tell you, ‘I come for a massage akol kalul, if you don’t do akol kalul, I take another masseuse’.”

“They would say: “I want Harpaya, (ejaculation), I would then ask what this Harpaya means and they would answer, ‘not only harpaya but we want it ‘all inclusive’, full sex.’ I used to tell them that we don’t do it and he would reply, ‘Read my lips, ‘the women are all included’, the salesman in Tel Aviv promised us that it’s Akol Kalul!’ Sometimes one of the female managers would suggest for to us to follow the guests’ demands just as a guarantee that they would come back.”

Katherine Kaha, a masseuse, confesses that she had to follow the demands… “I would start doing a massage, and then the man would tell me, ‘do it all over, you must do it’. In case I wouldn’t they would complain to the management. I didn’t like it at all but I did it. They would give me $1 sometimes two, I felt horrible.”

A frequent Israeli guest to the hotel: “There was always this problem with the massage, the Israelis used to abuse the girls to the very limit. It was appalling and it gave Israel a bad name. There were some groups I was really embarrassed to stand near to. They were so bossy and arrogant, they did whatever they liked, and just had good time.”

“One of the Israelis told me,” says Rahima, “you know Rahima, last night they provided me with a little baby girl, only 13 years old, I fucked her and gave her $5 just because she was penniless.” I then asked him, “Wasn’t she the age of your granddaughter?” He didn’t answer. On the same night he might as well have come back to the hotel shouting, ‘African women are the best value for money.’ Let me tell you, here in Africa, it isn’t that common that once you sleep with a woman you go and inform the rest of the world about it. But the Israelis kept it all open, they used to say about us: Mechona Tova, Mechona Tova (Good machine, Good machine).”

The Power to Fuck

The passion for sex wasn’t only restricted to the massage rooms and wasn’t solely the business of the single male guests. It was rather prohibited to let local girls into the hotel. But a solution was found, just across the road, again in an Israeli partnership, a motel named Calypso was founded. This was where Israelis were hanging around in the nights. “Men used to come to our rooms asking us to go out with them,” tells Josef Katan, “but the worst happened in the morning when they shared the details of last night’s affairs with the entire dining room. They used to shout things like ‘ha, I went with her, I fucked and fucked and fucked her all night long and all for less than one dollar’. We understood exactly what they were talking about. When the first group arrived, I was telling myself that surely the second group would be better. But it was exactly the same. From tine to time they used to ask for room service, once the room service crew would enter their room, they would try to touch her. The waitresses were horrified, they never wanted to go with food to the rooms, but my personal case was different, they were afraid of me because I was rude to them. They used to call me ‘big ass’. This was Ok, it is better being ‘big ass’ rather than being their sex slave.”

“Even the married men used to find some ways to the girls’ rooms. For instance, one told his wife, ‘go to the dining room, I will be right there with you.’ Apparently he disappeared till the morning after. In the morning we were witnessing the woman screaming at her husband during breakfast. Once a man replied to his wife, ‘the women in Kenya are so great, they have a small hole, unlike you having such a silly big one’. All that at breakfast, in the dining room, in public. When the animosity went wild we always rushed to bring the hotel’s Rabbi in, he would do his best to make peace. Sometimes, the men used to sit in the dining room while the donkeys were having sex outside. As soon as the Israelis noticed the donkeys’ activity they would stand up and show their support: ‘good, good, good, forward, backward, good. good’.”

“Occasionally, one would come to me telling me in front of everyone else. ‘I will take Viagra and after that I will have the power to fuck. By the way, what’s your name?’ I would say Rahima. ‘Good, Rahima. I want to fuck you today!’” I asked myself what is going on. One guest asked me, ‘do you know Chartie? I went with her to the disco, I fucked her but she wasn’t good at all. Originally I planed to give her $10 but eventually I gave her $1 only. He was shouting like a madman and then Chartie arrived in the room. He then pointed at her with his finger and shouted ‘here she is, it was her’.”

Karen Tiglo, a room cleaner: “We couldn’t figure out whether the Israelis were wild animals or human beings. They would all the time offer me $10. I felt so humiliated. After a while they would know who amongst the female crew were desperate for money and would just go for them. Stela Matawa, a waitress: from time to time, a man would approach me abusively, in case I would refuse, the man would come to the dining room and shout, ‘leave out this girl she is crap, I took her to the room and she was useless’.”

Katherine Kaa experienced an especially traumatic event when a seventy-year-old man decided that he was in love with her. “I didn’t love him at all,” she says. “We went out to a discothèque, I was sure that I was just escorting him to assist him killing his boredom. On the way back, he and the taxi driver tricked me, rather than driving back to the hotel, we arrived at a place that hires rooms for the night. Violently, he tried to force me to sleep with him. But I couldn’t. When we went back to the hotel he told me that never wanted to see me again. And he would report to the management that I wasted his money without giving a thing back. After my refusal was reported, the hotel manager dismissed me for two weeks.”

According to a few of the crew members, not only did the Israeli management fail to denounce, some of the managers actually joined the party (their names are kept with the editors of the newspaper). Raymond, “At the time one of the managers learned to enjoy the massages. He started to demand: ‘do it here, here and there’ just like one of the guests. Another manager would pick girls from the entertainment team, he would say, ‘after all, I am a manager, no one would ask you where were you going.’ I had to accept it although it was rather horrible. The day after when he would pass by me, he would hardly acknowledge me. Every time, after our performances, one dancer would disappear into one of the manager s’ offices. The girls were afraid that this might be a professional issue to do with their performance but then, once in the manager’s office, they realised what it was all about.”

And now here they lie,the dancers of the Mombasa Paradise. Beyond the sufferings of indignity and worries of non payment.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sYJwVCuBDu8/Uj9JFsixa0I/AAAAAAAAZVU/2ICNEQL3l8U/s1600/kenya6.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sYJwVCuBDu8/Uj9JFsixa0I/AAAAAAAAZVU/2ICNEQL3l8U/s1600/kenya6.jpg)

Ideally we should ask Yehuda Sulami himself about these allegations;or what was the outcome of the out-of-court settlement with 500 other Chosenites. I recall him in a wheelchair,scowling surveying the wreckage but can't find a pic.

Legal disputes that dogged an Israeli-owned Paradise Hotel in Kikambala for the last five years have finally come to an end, leaving the proprietor free to manage the hotel without further legal hussles.
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?incl=blogComment&id=2000013759&cid=14&articleID=2000013759

Shortly from the attack, a dispute erupted between the proprietor and the investors who claimed there was a scheme to shortchange them.
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?incl=blogComment&id=2000013759&cid=14&articleID=2000013759
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?incl=blogComment&id=2000013759&cid=14&articleID=2000013759
Legal disputes that dogged an Israeli-owned Paradise Hotel in Kikambala for the last five years have finally come to an end, leaving the proprietor free to manage the hotel without further legal hussles
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?incl=blogComment&id=2000013759&cid=14&articleID=2000013759

Shortly from the attack, a dispute erupted between the proprietor and the investors who claimed there was a scheme to shortchange them.
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?incl=blogComment&id=2000013759&cid=14&articleID=2000013759
Shortly from the attack, a dispute erupted between the proprietor and the investors who claimed there was a scheme to shortchange them.
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?incl=blogComment&id=2000013759&cid=14&articleID=2000013759
Legal disputes that dogged an Israeli-owned Paradise Hotel in Kikambala for the last five years have finally come to an end, leaving the proprietor free to manage the hotel without further legal hussles
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?incl=blogComment&id=2000013759&cid=14&articleID=2000013759

Wow! There was a business quarrel before the hotel was destroyed. You now what they say, motive= opportunity.
https://www.facebook.com/sulami.yehuda

Those who've suffered Israeli visitors in Poland,Goa and Thailand all tell similar tales of their behaviour.

These loses being: demolished rooms, broken chairs and tables, human
excrements in washbasins or trash bins, or like in Astoria, other hotel in
Kraków, burned carpet. Astoria also backs out from having Israeli groups.
One of the reasons is that the teenagers' security agents were ordering
other guests, whom they didn't like, to leave.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.jewish/KlXYCZWdWhY (https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21topic/soc.culture.jewish/KlXYCZWdWhY)

Recently the Chosenite government tried to get their citizens to act like Normal Human People abroad with an amusing poster exhibition-I'm not making this up-look!

ed note–NO OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD has to chide its own people not to act like assholes when travelling abroad, only ‘The Jewish State’.

http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2013/09/07/dont-act-like-animals-abroad-new-poster-exhibit-opens-in-tel-aviv-in-bid-to-raise-awareness-to-israeli-tourists-behavior/

The day the World realizes exactly where 'Israeliness' comes from is the day we'll all wake up.

Related:
http://karanjazplace.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-nairobi-westgate-mall-mindrape.html

http://karanjazplace.blogspot.com/2012/09/why-do-israelisjewkhazars-do-such-things.html

http://karanjazplace.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-tenth-anniversary-of-israeli-false.html

http://karanjazplace.blogspot.com/2014/07/false-flags-and-terrorization-of-lamu.html

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Kenya tourist industry should look for Asian tourists coming from China, Japan, South Korea and Taiwan. The Asian tourists are nicer. The Israeli tourists are rude, nasty and racist.
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When you see them banned in Thailand and Goa this story tells you why.
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PatColo

19th August 2014, 11:54 AM

‘Don’t act like animals abroad’–New poster exhibit opens in Tel Aviv in bid to raise awareness to Israeli tourists’ behavior (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4426662,00.html)

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ed note–NO OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD has to chide its own people not to act like assholes when travelling abroad, only ‘The Jewish State’.

ynet

Published:
09.07.13, 08:12

New poster exhibition opens in Tel Aviv ahead of High Holidays travel season in bid to raise awareness to Israeli tourists’ behavior, improve image overseas

The travel season is in full swing, with many Israelis spending Rosh Hashana (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3518007,00.html) in Rome, Yom Kippur (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3519620,00.html) in New York, and Sukkot (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3539751,00.html) in Thailand, Brazil or China.

The past summer alone saw some three million Israelis pass through Ben-Gurion Airport. Every person leaving the country serves as an ambassador of the State of Israel (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3284752,00.html%20) – whether he or she likes it or not.

A new exhibition launched this week in Tel Aviv aims to raise awareness to Israeli tourists’ behavior abroad and improve their image through posters created by graduates of Habetzefer school’s copywriting course, in cooperation with the Israeli Goodwill Ambassadors association.

http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer3/2013/09/01/4837710/48377070100097490685no.jpg ‘How lovely that they know us’ (Dana Mazor’s project)

http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer3/2013/09/01/4837711/48377060100099490692no.jpg
‘Give me the bill, debil (Hebrew word for imbecile)’ (Eran Sheleg’s project)

The exhibition includes some 90 displays calling on the public in Israel to join the struggle for changing the behavior of each and every one of us while traveling abroad.

‘Abroad you are the State’

The Goodwill Ambassadors association was established in 2001 by several Israelis in a bid to raise awareness to the Israeli tourist’s conduct abroad, out of the belief that “abroad you are the State.”

According to Yuval Limon and Lior Verona, the association’s co-founders, “The cooperation with Habetzefer was created in order to operate on additional channels, to increase exposure and mainly awareness to the importance of our behavior as Israelis abroad.

“In addition strengthening the educational activity in educational institutions and among youth delegations in Israel, we are also very active on the PR level, and so the connection with Habetzefer was a natural one.”

Yigal Baron, director-general of Habetzefer and the Israel Advertising Association, says that “like in any final project of every course at Habetzefer, we choose a real body to work with, in order to give students another experience of practical work.

“We aim for these bodies to have an agenda which contributes to Israeli society or culture. This time, the Israeli Goodwill Ambassadors association provided our students, every Israeli and everyone who cares about our image abroad, with an interesting and important challenge.”

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4426662,00.html

Ponce

19th August 2014, 03:35 PM

We had a bunch of them, around 25, in the big town next to mine and the buffet in town they started to sing really loud.......I got up and told them that I would like to eat my lunch in peace that this was not the state of Israel.....two of the men got up and started to walk towards me and it was then that four of the Americans at the buffet and walked towards me and stood behind me....the two Zionist made an about face really fast and sat down.......I didn't hear a sound from there on.......a guy, American, yelled "RIGHT ON"...
And you are worried about being called "ANTI-SEMITE?".

V

PatColo

16th January 2015, 10:51 PM

cross-posting from the Paris shooting (USraeli FF hoax) thread (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?81320-BREAKING-NEWS-Paris-shooting-Twelve-people-killed-at-Charlie-Hebdo-office):

DDuke:
Jews see Netanyahu's rude behavior in Paris as archetypically Israeli (http://davidduke.com/jews-see-netanyahus-rude-behavior-paris-archetypically-israeli/)

January 14, 2015 at 1:20 am

By Dr. Patrick Slattery – Following last weekend’s mass rally in Paris, Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu’s behavior in the French capital as raised many Jewish eyebrows. After having been told by the French President that he was NOT invited, Netanyahu went anyway, pushed a female French cabinet minister out of the way in order to get on the VIP bus to the rally, and then elbowed his way to the front line (http://blogs.forward.com/forward-thinking/212583/how-bibi-tried-to-make-paris-all-about-him/?) in order to be prominent in any picture of the event.

According to Yossi Verter of Israel’s Haaretz newspaper (http://blogs.forward.com/forward-thinking/212556/jesuisbibi-as-benjamin-netanyahu-jostles-for-came/):

Just as you can sometimes identify Israeli tourists abroad by their loud voices, poor manners and gauche behavior, none of the hundreds of millions of people around the world who watched Sunday’s Paris rally on television had any problem locating Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu: smack in the middle of world leaders at the front of the marchers.

He goes on to say:

Such behavior as cutting in line, sneaking onto the bus by pushing and shoving, using elbows to get to the front at some event is so Israeli, so us, so Likud Party Central Committee, that I want to shout: Je suis Bibi!

Verter wasn’t the only Israeli to make fun of Netanyahu’s behavior. Already a video game has been created by Netanyahu’s rivals in the Labor Party (http://www.jta.org/2015/01/13/news-opinion/politics/can-you-be-as-pushy-as-bibi) that is based on the “Frogger” game in which the player tries to elbow “Bibi” past world leaders to the front of the march.

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An Israeli video artist has uses the Loony Tunes theme song to accompany speeded-up footage of Bibi pushing his way to the front line, much to the obvious consternation of the Malian president, Ibrahim Boubacar Keitar.

http://vimeo.com/116492356

http://vimeo.com/116492356

As was the case with 9-11, Netanyahu sees the Paris attacks as a tremendous opportuny for Israel, and he obviously is not willing to let anything or any one get in his way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=znuJoVVz9GM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=znuJoVVz9GM

PatColo

4th June 2020, 10:41 AM

Israelis' favorite search term on pornhub is.... "Israelis" :D

jpost:

Israelis on Pornhub, what do the chosen people choose to watch?
(https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/israelis-on-pornhub-what-do-the-chosen-people-choose-to-watch-630341)
Pornhub Insights released their findings about how much porn various countries consume online, among them Israel.

By JOSH ARONSON/ MAARIV JUNE 4, 2020 18:27

PatColo

21st January 2021, 06:22 AM

The San Francisco Bay Area latter half of the 1970s

Lynyrd Skynyrd - Sweet Home Alabama - 7/2/1977 - Oakland Coliseum Stadium (Official) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GxWmSVv-cY)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GxWmSVv-cY

I'm Budweiser guy on the piano, just trying real hard to keep it all together

Down1

21st January 2021, 12:51 PM

It appears now that peace has broken out that Dubai is the new Thailand and the israeli's go there for sex tourism now.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210105-israeli-sex-tourism-is-the-fruit-of-normalisation-with-the-uae/