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big country
3rd May 2011, 09:41 AM
Raw milk is legal to sell in PA, and sometimes when we're up that way we pick some up (up from WV - illegal here...)


A yearlong sting operation, including aliases, a 5 a.m. surprise inspection and surreptitious purchases from an Amish farm in Pennsylvania, culminated in the federal government announcing this week that it has gone to court to stop Rainbow Acres Farm from selling its contraband to willing customers in the Washington area.

The product in question: unpasteurized milk.

It’s a battle that’s been going on behind the scenes for years, with natural foods advocates arguing that raw milk, as it’s also known, is healthier than the pasteurized product, while the Food and Drug Administration says raw milk can carry harmful bacteria such as salmonella, E. coli and listeria.

“It is the FDA’s position that raw milk should never be consumed,” said Tamara N. Ward, spokeswoman for the FDA, whose investigators have been looking into Rainbow Acres for months, and who finally last week filed a 10-page complaint in federal court in Pennsylvania seeking an order to stop the farm from shipping across state lines any more raw milk or dairy products made from it.

The farm’s owner, Dan Allgyer, didn’t respond to a message seeking comment, but his customers in the District of Columbia and Maryland were furious at what they said was government overreach.

“I look at this as the FDA is in cahoots with the large milk producers,” said Karin Edgett, a D.C. resident who buys directly from Rainbow Acres. “I don’t want the FDA and my tax dollars to go to shut down a farm that hasn’t had any complaints against it. They’re producing good food, and the consumers are extremely happy with it.”

The FDA’s actions stand in contrast to other areas where the Obama administration has said it will take a hands-off approach to violations of the law, including the use of medical marijuana in states that have approved it, and illegal-immigrant students and youths, whom the administration said recently will not be targets of their enforcement efforts.

Raw-milk devotees say pasteurization, the process of heating food to kill harmful organisms, eliminates good bacteria as well, and changes the taste and health benefits of the milk. Many raw-milk drinkers say they feel much healthier after changing over to it, and insist they should have the freedom of choice regarding their food.

One defense group says there are as many as 10 million raw-milk consumers in the country. Sales are perfectly legal in 10 states but illegal in 11 states and the District, with the other states having varying restrictions on purchase or consumption.

Many food safety researchers say pasteurization, which became widespread in the 1920s and 1930s, dramatically reduced instances of milk-transmitted diseases such as typhoid fever and diphtheria. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says there is no health benefit from raw milk that cannot be obtained from pasteurized milk.

Acting on those conclusions, the FDA uses its regulatory powers over food safety to ban interstate sales of raw milk and has warned several farms to change their practices.

According to the complaint the FDA filed in court, the agency began to look into Mr. Allgyer’s farm in late 2009, when an investigator in their Baltimore office used aliases to sign up for a Yahoo user group for Rainbow Acres‘ customers, and began to place orders under the assumed names for unpasteurized milk.

The orders were delivered to private residences in Maryland, where the investigator, whose name was not disclosed in the documents, would pick them up. By crossing state lines the milk became part of interstate commerce, thus subject to the FDA’s ban on interstate sales of raw milk. The court papers note that the jugs of milk were not labeled - another violation of FDA regulations.

Armed with that information, investigators visited the farm in February 2010, but Mr. Allgyer turned them away. They returned two months later with a warrant, U.S. marshals and a state police trooper, arriving at 5 a.m. for what Mr. Allgyer’s backers called a “raid,” but the FDA said was a lawful inspection.

The investigators said they saw coolers labeled with Maryland town names, and the coolers appeared to contain dairy products. The inspection led to an April 20, 2010, letter from FDA telling Mr. Allgyer to stop selling across state lines.

He instead formed a club and had customers sign an agreement stating they supported his operation, weren’t trying to entrap the owners, and that they would be shareholders in the farm’s produce, paying only for the farmer’s labor.

Customers hoped that would get around the FDA’s definition of “commerce,” putting the exchange outside of the federal government’s purview.

The FDA investigators continued to take shipments, though, and last week went to court to stop the operation.

Ms. Ward, the FDA spokeswoman, didn’t say exactly why they targeted Mr. Allgyer’s farm, but that violations generally are determined either by FDA investigations or by state-obtained evidence.

Pete Kennedy, president of the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund, said undercover stings are not unheard of.

“It happens quite a bit. It’s almost like they treat raw milk as crack. It’s happened in a number of states, and at the federal level,” he said.

His organization has sued to try to halt FDA enforcement, and the case is pending in federal court in Iowa.

Mr. Allgyer’s customers declined to talk about the operations, and when asked whether they knew what would happen to the farm’s distribution, they said they would have to wait and see.

One of those customers, Liz Reitzig, president of the Maryland Independent Consumers and Farmers Association, said she started looking for raw milk when her oldest daughter began to show signs of not being able to tolerate pasteurized milk.

She first did what’s called cow sharing, which is when a group of people buy shares in owning a cow, and pay a farmer to board and milk the cow. But Maryland outlawed that practice and she was forced to look elsewhere for raw milk, and turned to Mr. Allgyer’s farm.

“We like the way they farm, we love their product, it’s super-high-quality, they’re wonderful. It’s just a wonderful arrangement,” she said.

“FDA really has no idea what they’re talking about when they’re talking about fresh milk. They have no concept - they really don’t understand what it’s like for people like me who have friends and family who can’t drink conventional milk,” Ms. Reitzig said.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/28/feds-sting-amish-farmer-selling-raw-milk-locally/?page=all#pagebreak

Awoke
3rd May 2011, 10:43 AM
LOL @ "Contraband"

What a joke. "You people are only allowed to drink this processed milk! You hear me?! No natural milk for you! Because we said so, that's why!"

undgrd
3rd May 2011, 10:52 AM
Sue the FDR for allowing a clearly dangerous product to be available to the general public...pasteurized milk that is.
;)

ximmy
3rd May 2011, 11:06 AM
another plan initiated to remove decent people from the land

ShortJohnSilver
3rd May 2011, 11:53 AM
I drank raw milk from the store in the Philippines ... it tasted AWESOME!

And my stomach did not get upset the way it can if I drink too much pasteurized...

iOWNme
3rd May 2011, 01:03 PM
Raw milk is NUTRITION. Something the Feds will go to the end of the earth for you not to have.

Milk was NEVER pasturized until the Feds 'required' farms to inject the cows with hormones. Those hormones caused all kinds of problems in the cows utters. Blood and puss were now the norm coming out of the cows. Hence they 'BOIL' the milk to kill all the bacteria. And like any other nutritious food, cooking/boiling it KILLS the nutrients.

Man has consumed raw milk for eons. And now after the Feds are involved, 1/2 the world is lactose intolerant.

IM FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INTOLERANT.

LEAVE THESE PEOPLE THE FUCK ALONE.

UUUGGGH.

Low Pan
3rd May 2011, 01:11 PM
According to the complaint the FDA filed in court, the agency began to look into Mr. Allgyer’s farm in late 2009, when an investigator in their Baltimore office used aliases to sign up for a Yahoo user group for Rainbow Acres‘ customers, and began to place orders under the assumed names for unpasteurized milk.


Amish own and operate computers and websites??

on topic though, the crack down on the farms has been ridiculous!

gunDriller
3rd May 2011, 01:39 PM
IM FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INTOLERANT.


you radical ! ;D

Serpo
3rd May 2011, 01:51 PM
And remember the radiation in milk is OK

lapis
17th May 2011, 10:31 AM
This case is really something. I belong to a coop that also gets raw dairy from another state (won't say which farm online), and the members have to sign a lengthy contract that stipulates exactly what we're receiving, how it may have pathogens, etc. etc.

We also pay a yearly fee to belong to it, which confers on us an ownership interest in the farm animals and food products.

It also says:

I affirm that I am not acting under color of law or in any way disguising my motives, acting on behalf of any agency, person, or other entity in order to entrap, hurt, gather information about, or testify against the members of this club and thereby affect this Club, [name of club], their members or their purposes.*

*See U.S.C. Title 18, Sections 241 and 242. Conspiracy against rights and Deprivation of rights under color of law. (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/civilrights/federal-statutes)

I'll bet Dan Allgyer makes his buyers sign a similar contract.

Not that it stops them from doing these raids, obviously!



FDA Dragon Slayer Speaks Out on Amish Raw Milk Sting (http://wholefoodusa.wordpress.com/2011/05/16/fda-dragon-slayer-speaks-out-on-amish-raw-milk-sting/)

Attorney Jonathan Emord has brought down FDA eight times in federal court, six on grounds of First Amendment rights, including cases on health claims on dietary supplements. Congressman and Dr. Ron Paul calls Jonathan “a hero of the health freedom revolution” and says “all freedom-loving Americans are in [his] debt . . . for his courtroom [victories] on behalf of health freedom.” I asked permission to post his article published today at Newswithviews.com and he immediately responded positively. Coincidentally, the rally in support of the Amish family busted was held today on Capitol Hill in D.C. Even a cow was brought in and raw milk from across the state line was enjoyed by all in defiance of FDA’s sting.–Augie

FDA TYRANNIZES AMISH FARMER

By Attorney Jonathan Emord
Author of “The Rise of Tyranny” and
“Global Censorship of Health Information“
May 16, 2011

Dan Allgyer, an Amish farmer from Pennsylvania, finds himself an enemy of the state. He is an enemy not because he is a violent man, not because he performs acts that threaten the lives or properties of others, and not because he is involved in some plot to overthrow the government. Dan Allgyer is a humble farmer whose “crime” consists of selling raw milk harvested from his cows to people who ask for it, including those who want it from Maryland and the District of Columbia.

In late 2009, FDA agents began a sting operation designed to catch Dan “in the act” of selling to out of state residents refrigerated (but unpasteurized) milk harvested from his own cows. FDA does not contend that any of Dan’s milk is contaminated with harmful pathogens and, indeed, none of it has resulted in a single complaint of injury. Rather, FDA’s case is based on the fact that the raw milk Dan sells is unpasteurized. Believe it or not, the sale of unpasteurized milk interstate is a federal crime. FDA views the crime as a very serious matter without regard to whether the milk sold is in fact unsafe. Indeed, FDA is pleased to spend tax dollars imposing the full weight of federal power on any dairy farmer who dares sell fresh, refrigerated milk from healthy cows to someone from out of state. Never mind that this practice is as old as the republic and, but for discrete instances when industrial farms sold milk from sick cows, raw milk has been as safe, if not safer than, pasteurized milk.

The case of Dan Allgyer is a quintessential example of abuse of federal power. Only a government possessed of too much unconstrained power would view an Amish dairy farmer as a public enemy. This nation was built by yeoman farmers who are Dan Allgyer’s immediate predecessors. The nation they constructed was instituted among men to protect the rights of the governed, not to deprive an honest working man of his living. The Constitution made defense of individual liberty the paramount objective. Liberty, as Thomas Jefferson aptly defined it for an entire generation of American Whigs, consisted of unobstructed action according to our will within limits defined by the equal rights of others. Liberty, as the FDA operationally defines it, consists of action according to our will within limits defined by anti-competitive regulations.

The government proceeds against Dan Allgyer not because the raw milk he sells is in fact contaminated with harmful pathogens but because it could become so. That is a distinction without a difference, however, because pasteurized milk too can become contaminated with pathogens if not properly handled. All animal products (pasteurized milk, pasteurized cheese, beef, poultry, and fish) are inherently at risk of contamination unless kept refrigerated and consumed before reasonable expiration dating. The critical factor determining that risk depends on from whence the products come (healthy and clean or unhealthy and unclean animals) and how the products are handled (refrigerated or not). Every year thousands of Americans become ill and hundreds die from ingesting pasteurized milk and cheese contaminated with listeria, salmonella, or other harmful pathogens.

What then motivates this government to single out raw milk producers for elimination? There are certainly many ways to ensure that a raw dairy product is safe, including making sure that it comes from healthy, grassfed cows and is kept refrigerated and sold within a reasonable period. The government could elect to demand that those reasonable measures be taken. Instead, however, the government has created a rule that favors large dairy producers and manufacturers over small, independent farmers like Dan Allgyer. That rule, commanding that all dairy products be pasteurized, ensures that small organic dairy farmers pose little or no competitive threat to the large mass manufacturers of pasteurized dairy.

The government proceeds by one of the modern regulatory state’s favorite means of depriving all of freedom for the sake of supposedly nabbing wrong-doers: prior restraint. No one may lawfully sell raw milk in interstate commerce, not even the majority of sellers whose raw milk is safe to consume. The law punishes the majority of honest sellers on the basis that a minority of dishonest ones have in fact sold contaminated milk. Thus, FDA does not argue that Dan Allgyer’s milk will in fact cause you injury if you drink it, only that it could cause you injury. But that is not a distinguishing principle, so if one were to apply FDA’s reasoning universally virtually no food could be sold because almost all food is liable to become contaminated. We may thus see that FDA applies its prior restraint selectively—here to the grave detriment of small organic farmers in favor of large industrial concerns (precisely those that can reward the agency’s leadership with lucrative post-government employment).

The Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration chose to devote FDA resources to taking down a harmless dairy farmer from Pennsylvania on a trumped up charge that his milk “could” become contaminated. Indeed, it could, but so could all milk sold in this country, if not properly handled.

To entrap Dan, an FDA investigator from the FDA’s Baltimore District Office fraudulently posed as a customer from Maryland and placed 23 orders for Dan’s unpasteurized milk from December 2009 to March 2011. FDA investigators retrieved the milk at various private residences in Maryland where Dan and a fellow farmer delivered them. They tested the milk and confirmed that it was unpasteurized but not that it contained any harmful pathogens. Having their proof of a lack of pasteurization, the FDA then proceeded in a manner fit for the taking down of a drug lord.

On April 20, 2010, before sun-up, two black SUVs with lights off and dark tinted windows meandered down the long dirt road that leads to Dan Allgyer’s dairy farm. Tending to his cows as he does every morning, Dan walked out of one of his barns, catching a glimpse of the slowly approaching vehicles. Because few travel to his farm and none in black SUVs with lights off before sunrise, Dan suspected the worst. But, consistent with his religion, Dan is a nonviolent man, so he continued tending to his cows. While in the middle of his morning chores Dan was confronted by a lone federal agent. “Where do you keep the milk?” he was asked as other agents began rummaging through the farm. Dan then showed the agents portable coolers and a walk-in cooler/freezer where the wholesome stash lay. There it was, the awfully healthy “contraband” that the federal agents sought.

The FDA tested the milk from Dan’s farm, confirming that it was unpasteurized but finding no evidence of harmful pathogens. Then on April 19, 2011, one year after it raided Dan’s farm, the FDA filed suit in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania seeking an order barring Dan from selling his unpasteurized milk in interstate commerce and commanding him to pay for the federal investigation of his farm and for the government’s legal fees and costs.

Not everyone is deaf to the plight of a hard working American. On May 11, Congressman Ron Paul did his part to end the abuses. He introduced HR 1830, the Unpasteurized Milk Bill, which would forbid the federal government from banning the sale of unpasteurized dairy in interstate commerce. The bill restores a presumption of innocence that the FDA has taken away. No one in this country who sells a food product should be condemned as a purveyor of adulterated food without proof that the food is in fact unsafe for consumption. Dan Allgyer is one of the latest victims of precisely that kind of false condemnation.

Jonathan W. Emord is an attorney who practices constitutional and administrative law before the federal courts and agencies. Congressman Ron Paul calls Jonathan “a hero of the health freedom revolution” and says “all freedom-loving Americans are in [his] debt . . . for his courtroom [victories] on behalf of health freedom.” He has defeated the FDA in federal court a remarkable eight times, six on First Amendment grounds, and is the author of Amazon bestsellers The Rise of Tyranny, and Global Censorship of Health Information. He is also the American Justice columnist for U.S.A. Today Magazine. For more info visit Emord.com.

Libertytree
17th May 2011, 10:37 AM
How Much Freedom Do We Have If We Can't Even Drink Unpasteurized Milk?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr6fcqN2EDI&feature=channel_video_title

Awoke
24th May 2011, 11:05 AM
Why Did You Capitalize The First Letter In Every Word Of That Post?

:D

sirgonzo420
24th May 2011, 11:15 AM
Why Did You Capitalize The First Letter In Every Word Of That Post?

:D


hE probablY diD iT becausE capitalizinG thE lasT letterS doesn'T makE anY sensE!


;D

gunDriller
24th May 2011, 01:23 PM
i have been thinking about getting goats, so that i can have Fukushima-free milk, cheese, yogurt, etc.

but, MY GOD ! they are such a big commitment. i talked to a neighbor today about goat and chicken sitting if i go out of town. which made me realize all the little things i need to take care of if i get some goats. a watch-dog for the goats, for example.

it gives me a LOT more respect for people who work as dairy farmers - especially the ones who sell the healthiest dairy products - the folks who sell raw milk.

Hatha Sunahara
27th May 2013, 03:58 PM
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/25/rawmilk/


Raw Milk Acquittal: A Victory for FreedomSaturday, May 25th, 2013 |

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/not-a-crime.jpg (http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/not-a-crime.jpg)by Kevin Barrett (http://www.veteranstoday.com/author/barrett/)In these days of creeping tyranny – some would say galloping tyranny – whenever freedom wins a battle, it’s time for a celebration. So pour yourself a champagne glass full of healthful, delicious, GMO-free raw milk, and raise a toast to Vernon Hershberger, who was just acquitted by a jury (http://www.jsonline.com/business/raw-milk-trial-in-hands-of-jury-b9918480z1-208900911.html)on three of four counts of “foodcrime.”

Hershberger can now return to his farm and continue producing healthy food for his neighbors. The jury’s verdict sent an unmistakeable message: When a farmer like Hershberger wants to run a cooperative food club, and provide his neighbors with raw milk and other non-Monsanto, farm-grown foods without a retail license, he is acting within his legitimate rights. In other words, both raw milk and direct-to-consumer food clubs have been effectively legalized in Wisconsin.
Hershberger was only convicted on one of four counts: Violating the holding order placed on his products after he was raided by the food gestapo. Since the jury effectively ruled that the raid itself was unjustified, and since Hershberger is a peaceable man with a reputation for community service, it seems unlikely that Judge Reynolds will impose anything close to the maximum penalty of a year in prison and a $10,000 fine.
As the 2008 Libertarian candidate for Congress in Hershberger’s district, and a member of his food club, I have a personal interest in this case. I would like to see western Wisconsin’s Driftless Zone, which is roughly contiguous with its 3rd Congressional District, become the launching pad for a global renaissance of small organic farms, natural foods including raw dairy products, direct farm-to-consumer distribution arrangements, wide-scale hemp production, and a revolt against frankenfoods, GMOs, and dangerous technologies in general – including all genetic engineering technology, which ought to be put under a five-century moratorium and reconsidered only after humanity gets its act together.*
I would like to see western Wisconsin ban GMOs immediately, and then move toward becoming an organic-farming-only zone. I would like to see dozens or hundreds more buyers’ clubs selling healthy food directly to consumers – including raw milk. (Once you’ve tasted raw, “living” milk, and noticed how much easier it digests, you’ll never want to drink dead milk again.)
The food freedom movement, and its new hero Vernon Hershberger, could play a key role in catalyzing these changes.
The food freedom movement, unlike some branches of the freedom movement, is an easy PR sell. One reason: Real food tastes so much better than fake food. Another: You feel better, and have fewer health problems when you eat it. And: Food itself is a convivial, non-threatening topic. (Non-threatening until the corporations start toxifying it, anyway.)
Guns can be scary. Unconstitutional drone strikes and presidential death panel killings-without-trial are scary. Even mind-altering drugs can be scary – take a look at a habitual meth user if you doubt this.
But natural, healthy, delicious food is an easy topic for people to get together and agree on.
God bless Vernon Hershberger, the farmer who decided to fight back. And God bless the whole food freedom movement. May it flower into something vastly bigger.


Hatha

JohnQPublic
27th May 2013, 09:21 PM
Amish own and operate computers and websites?? ...

It is probably actually one of those liberal Mennonites!

gunDriller
28th May 2013, 05:11 AM
i started with pot, and moved on to harder drugs, like tobacco.

when that stopped giving me a buzz, i tried Raw Milk.

it was so wonderful ! Calcium, Fat Molecules, Cholesterol, a pinch of Tri-Phosphate.


and now i'm hooked. addicted, apparently, to illegal ... food.