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Ares
6th May 2011, 02:09 PM
GREECE THREATENS TO LEAVE EURO AREA, GERMANY'S DER SPIEGEL SAYS
FINANCE MINISTER FROM EUROZONE AND EU COMMISSION HOLDINGS CRISIS MEETING TODAY IN LUXEMBOURG
MEETING AGENDA INCLUDES POSSIBLE NEAR-TERM DEBT RESTRUCTURING FOR GREECE
EUROGROUP CHAIRMAN JUNCKER "TOTALLY DENIES" MEETING TO BE HELD TODAY TO DISCUSS GREECE
And cue panic and furious denials:
French finance ministry official cannot neither confirm or deny Spiegel report of emergency Eurozone meeting
Austrian Finance Minister spokesman says Eurozone breakup "absolutely unthinkable"
German government source says theres no plan for Greece to leave the Eurozone
Senior Greek government official denies report that Greece raises possibility of leaving Eurozone
IMF SAYS IT HAS `NO COMMENT' ON REPORT OF GREEK EURO EXIT BID

Full google translated Spiegel Article:

Greece is considering withdrawal from the Euro-zone

The debt crisis in Greece is getting worse. The government of the country considered to information from SPIEGEL ONLINE, leaving the euro zone. The finance ministers of the monetary union and representatives of the EU Commission will meet on Friday evening secret to a crisis meeting.

Berlin - The economic problems of Greece are huge, almost daily protests against the civil government. Now Prime Minister Georgios Papandreou, apparently sees no other way: According to information from SPIEGEL ONLINE considered his government to abandon the euro and reintroduce its own currency.

Alarmed by the efforts of the European Commission on Friday evening an emergency meeting in Luxembourg has loaded. Apart from the possible withdrawal of Greece from the monetary union and a speedy rescheduling of the country is on the agenda. A year after the outbreak of the crisis in Greece this means for the European Monetary Union an existential turning point - regardless of what option they choose.

Because of the tense situation has been prescribed for the meeting in Luxembourg the highest confidentiality, only the Finance Minister and one close associate may. For Germany participate Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble (CDU) and Financial Secretary Joerg Asmussen.

Schäuble wants to hold the Greeks in all circumstances from € outlet. An internal presentation of his ministry, which he took to Luxembourg, warns of the consequences. "It will be a significant depreciation of the new domestic currency against the euro," it states. Was estimated using an exchange rate loss of up to 50 percent can be expected. This debt is growing dramatically in Greece. Schäuble experts expect that the national debt would increase following the devaluation of around 200 percent of gross domestic product. "A restructuring was inevitable," they warn. In plain language: Greece would be bankrupt.

Massive implications for the economy in Europe

While controversy is whether a Euro-Greece's exit would be legally possible at all - in the opinion of legal experts would have to leave the country for the same time the European Union as a whole. It is doubtful whether the other members of the Monetary Union of the government in Athens would preclude a unilateral withdrawal from the euro area actually.

This reveals that the measure had been estimated by the officials Schäuble massive impact on economic life in Europe. "The currency change would trigger a capital flight," they write. Greece may be forced to introduce capital controls. "This would be the fundamental freedoms of the single European market not to bring into line." Moreover, the country would be cut off for many years by the capital market.

Furthermore, would the withdrawal of a country from the monetary union, "damage the trust in the functioning of the euro zone difficult," it said. International investors have to expect that emissions in the future further € members wanted. "This would lead to contagion effects in the euro zone."

The German taxpayer would step dearly

Had a severe impact on the swerving of Greece still ailing banking sector, especially at home. By the currency cut "all of the equity would be eaten up the banking system, the country's banks would be instantly insolvent." But the banks in other countries would suffer. "German and foreign banks would have expected a substantial loss to their demands," says the paper.

The European Central Bank (ECB) would be affected. It would have "a substantial portion of their assets to write off as uncollectible. Among the loans to banks without counting the stocks added to Greek government bonds, which the ECB has bought in recent months. Their volume estimate Schäuble officials to at least 40 billion euros. "Germany would contribute according to its ECB capital share of 27 percent most of the losses."

The bottom line is an exit followed by Greece would bankrupt the country euro-zone countries and their taxpayers are even more expensive. Together with the International Monetary Fund, they have the land grant assistance amounting to 110 billion euros - around half of which was already paid. "The euro-zone countries would have to surrender to the bankruptcy of the country on some of their claims."

And the original version of the article in native English:

The debt crisis in Greece has taken on a dramatic new twist. Sources with information about the government's actions have informed SPIEGEL ONLINE that Athens is considering withdrawing from the euro zone. The common currency area's finance ministers and representatives of the European Commission are holding a secret crisis meeting in Luxembourg on Friday night.

Greece's economic problems are massive, with protests against the government being held almost daily. Now Prime Minister George Papandreou apparently feels he has no other option: SPIEGEL ONLINE has obtained information from German government sources knowledgeable of the situation in Athens indicating that Papandreou's government is considering abandoning the euro and reintroducing its own currency.



Alarmed by Athens' intentions, the European Commission has called a crisis meeting in Luxembourg on Friday night. In addition to Greece's possible exit from the currency union, a speedy restructuring of the country's debt also features on the agenda. One year after the Greek crisis broke out, the development represents a potentially existential turning point for the European monetary union -- regardless which variant is ultimately decided upon for dealing with Greece's massive troubles.

Given the tense situation, the meeting in Luxembourg has been declared highly confidential, with only the euro-zone finance ministers and senior staff members permitted to attend. Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble of Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and Jörg Asmussen, an influential state secretary in the Finance Ministry, are attending on Germany's behalf.

'Considerable Devaluation'

Sources told SPIEGEL ONLINE that Schäuble intends to seek to prevent Greece from leaving the euro zone if at all possible. He will take with him to the meeting in Luxembourg an internal paper prepared by the experts at his ministry warning of the possible dire consequences if Athens were to drop the euro.

"It would lead to a considerable devaluation of the domestic currency against the euro," the paper states. According to German Finance Ministry estimates, the currency could lose as much as 50 percent of its value, leading to a drastic increase in Greek national debt. Schäuble's staff have calculated that Greece's national deficit would rise to 200 percent of gross domestic product after such a devaluation. "A debt restructuring would be inevitable," his experts warn in the paper. In other words: Greece would go bankrupt.

It remains unclear whether it would even be legally possible for Greece to depart from the euro zone. Legal experts believe it would also be necessary for the country to split from the European Union entirely in order to abandon the common currency. At the same time, it is questionable whether other members of the currency union would actually refuse to accept a unilateral exit from the euro zone by the government in Athens.

What is certain, according to the assessment of the German Finance Ministry, is that the measure would have a disastrous impact on the European economy.

"The currency conversion would lead to capital flight," they write. And Greece might see itself as forced to implement controls on the transfer of capital to stop the flight of funds out of the country. "This could not be reconciled with the fundamental freedoms instilled in the European internal market," the paper states. In addition, the country would also be cut off from capital markets for years to come.

In addition, the withdrawal of a country from the common currency union would "seriously damage faith in the functioning of the euro zone," the document continues. International investors would be forced to consider the possibility that further euro-zone members could withdraw in the future. "That would lead to contagion in the euro zone," the paper continues.

Banks at Risk

Moreover, should Athens turn its back on the common currency zone, it would have serious implications for the already wobbly banking sector, particularly in Greece itself. The change in currency "would consume the entire capital base of the banking system and the country's banks would be abruptly insolvent." Banks outside of Greece would suffer as well. "Credit institutions in Germany and elsewhere would be confronted with considerable losses on their outstanding debts," the paper reads.



The European Central Bank (ECB) would also feel the effects. The Frankfurt-based institution would be forced to "write down a significant portion of its claims as irrecoverable." In addition to its exposure to the banks, the ECB also owns large amounts of Greek state bonds, which it has purchased in recent months. Officials at the Finance Ministry estimate the total to be worth at least €40 billion ($58 billion) "Given its 27 percent share of ECB capital, Germany would bear the majority of the losses," the paper reads.

In short, a Greek withdrawal from the euro zone and an ensuing national default would be expensive for euro-zone countries and their taxpayers. Together with the International Monetary Fund, the EU member states have already pledged €110 billion in aid to Athens -- half of which has already been paid out.

"Should the country become insolvent," the paper reads, "euro-zone countries would have to renounce a portion of their claims."

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/breaking-greece-threatens-leave-eurozone-reintroduce-own-currency

Horn
6th May 2011, 02:19 PM
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Awoke
6th May 2011, 02:20 PM
So how long till Izzy and Sam attack Greece I wonder.....?

Ares
6th May 2011, 02:34 PM
So how long till Izzy and Sam attack Greece I wonder.....?


When they become a "threat" to our "freedom"?

Serpo
6th May 2011, 03:07 PM
So how long till Izzy and Sam attack Greece I wonder.....?


When they become a "threat" to our "freedom"?




Meaning freedom to print money to infinity,oh yea and beyond.

mick silver
6th May 2011, 04:52 PM
they best get back in line before we have to call in a few drones

bellevuebully
6th May 2011, 06:13 PM
Greece Threatens To Leave Eurozone, Reintroduce Own Currency...


hahahahahahahaahahahahhahaahahaa...lol,lol,lol,lol ,lol,.hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahaaa


ahhhhhh!

uh....b'bye.

That's like a teenager threatening to leave home and saying you won't have anyone to take the trash out now without realizing you won't have to pay for his food, lodging, clothes, entertainment, eductation, ect, etc, etc.......


hahahahahaa

that's some good stuff right there.

solidus
7th May 2011, 03:59 AM
This would explain alot. Haven't seen too many rational explanations for the commodity bust of the past week. What has changed to cause dramatic drops in silver, oil, sugar, wheat, etc? As it turns out, someone must have known about this Greek pullout from the EU. The past couple of weeks begin to make sense in light of Greece dropping out of the EU and the consequent dumping of the euro. Weakness in the euro confers strength to the dollar (as the lesser of 2 evils apparently). Strength in the dollar confers weakness to all commodities. If Greece does drop out, the fear is that Portugal, Spain, maybe Italy would all be vulnerable which might be the end of the EU. If Greece does go then look out for more drastic drops in all the commodities. It's a crazy world we live in that decisions made in Athens have such great affect on our net worth. We're all speculators now.

ShortJohnSilver
7th May 2011, 04:11 AM
What currency Greece uses is irrelevant. The real question is, "will they have a central bank, which attaches usury to the money supply?"

Neuro
7th May 2011, 04:32 AM
Gold should hold up well though! Real Money!

mick silver
7th May 2011, 07:17 AM
Greek Loan Extensions to Punch Hole in EU?
http://www.thedailybell.com/2227/Greek-Loan-Extensions-to-Punch-Hole-in-EU.html

illumin19
7th May 2011, 10:49 AM
False alarm, or cold feet?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/news/greece-denies-report-its-seeking-to-leave/story-e6frg90f-1226051563356

FINANCE ministers from several European countries met overnight amid concerns over Greece and Portugal, as Greek and other European Union officials vehemently denied a German online magazine report that Athens was considering leaving the eurozone.

"There is a meeting of some finance ministers that has long been planned. Greece exiting the eurozone is not on the agenda of that meeting, and it has never been," said Steffen Seibert, spokesman for German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

The Greek finance ministry categorically rejected the report by Spiegel Online, which said Athens was considering withdrawing from the EU's joint currency.

The report, which sent the euro tumbling, added that the eurozone's finance ministers were holding a secret crisis meeting in Luxembourg on Friday night local time to discuss the issue.

The euro tumbled to $US1.4470 from $US1.4530 late on Thursday. It had traded at $US1.4942 on Wednesday, its highest level since December 2009.

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"The report on an imminent Greek exit from the eurozone, as well as being untrue, has been written with incomprehensible levity despite the fact that this has been repeatedly denied by the Greek Government, and the governments of other EU member states," the finance ministry said.

"Such reports are a provocation, undermine efforts by Greece and the euro and serve speculative games."

A German government official said the Spiegel Online report was "completely unfounded".

He confirmed a small and informal ministerial meeting of a few eurozone members was taking place in Luxembourg, adding that participants were to discuss "a broad array of economic topics," such as the euro and the European Stability Mechanism, the eurozone's future bailout fund that will come into force in 2013, as they have in the past.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not allowed to discuss details of the meeting.

European finance ministers are known to meet from time to time outside their regular monthly get-togethers to more informally discuss issues in the eurozone.

It was unclear exactly which officials were at the talks. French finance minister Christine Lagarde was "working" on Friday night, a ministry official said in Paris, but refused to divulge her whereabouts.

A Greek government official also refused to reveal the whereabouts of finance minister George Papaconstantinou.

"If there is a government mission, there will be a relevant announcement," the Greek official said. "I don't even know whether there will be such an announcement."

Both spoke on condition of anonymity in line with government policy.

Analysts say the eurozone needs to start thinking about a Plan B in case the bailouts fail to solve the crisis in the currency union.

"It would be irresponsible for creditor countries not to be seriously discussing the many issues to do with Greece, Portugal and Ireland," Sony Kapoor, the managing director of financial-reform think tank Re-Define, said of the finance ministers meeting. He dismissed the reports about a Greek exit from the currency union as "a vicious rumour".

Economists who have looked at the issue say trying to leave the euro could provoke a huge financial crisis, as investors rush to sell assets before they can be redenominated in national currency and devalued. It would also open the country that leaves to political retaliation from unhappy fellow EU members.




Uh-huh, I think the last paragraph sums it all up too well. Certain people/corps aren't ready for that...........yet?

Neuro
7th May 2011, 10:59 AM
I think it looks like Greece is on their way out, or it is at least a negotiation point they are using. The teenager analogy above is quite good IMO!

Horn
7th May 2011, 01:56 PM
Kinda gives ya a feel for how sensitive a world built on smoke & mirrors is.

mick silver
7th May 2011, 02:02 PM
when a government tell someone yes i alway say no . when they say no i think yes

Neuro
8th May 2011, 01:10 AM
when a government tell someone yes i alway say no . when they say no i think yes
The truth of the rumor is proportional to the intensity it is denied! ;)