Disect the Matrix - Neo was an agent working for TPTB

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Let's disect the Matrix, I assume many will have a lot to add on this subject.


The matrix is the ultimate bait and switch movie trilogy. At first we think it is about intellectual freedom, and the survival of mankind. Then it is revealed that the opposite of these things is true.

The first movie is clearly a movie about a man finding his personal power, and he is given the ability to strike back against TPTB like never before. The movie ends and we are left feeling hopeful that he is going to dismantle the system, piece by piece.


The 2nd and 3rd movies reveal that Neo is actually a double agent - he is controlled opposition. He was created by the architect to lead a rebellion that is designed to fail. His job is to make people feel hopeful so that they do not pursue other avenues of rebellion.

In the first movie, we believe that the "awake" people, who are freedom fighters, are those who freed their minds. In the 2nd/3rd movies, it is revealed that this is not true - the "freedom fighters" are actually just random people that the previous Neo chose to wake from the matrix when the previous Zion was destroyed and rebuilt - the machines were creating an opposition that people could latch onto! They were artifically creating a rebellion so that nobody would start their own.


The first movie shows Neo as an awake and aware individual with no limits. The 2nd/3rd movies illustrate the futility of rebellion, since it is not only infiltrated by TPTB, but oftentimes created artifically by them.

There is a lot more to this, but the revelation that Neo always was an Agent, blew my mind. As the series progresses, Agent Smith becomes more human as he becomes disillusioned with his stated purpose, while Neo becomes more machine-like throughout the course of the trilogy, and by the end his only options are either destroy both the humans and the machines, or make a peace treaty between them. Ultimately this "great peace" still leaves humans underground and blind.

No "ultimate victory" was every achievable at any time during the course of the Matrix Trilogy.

[mick silver]

what you wrote sounds about right

[Twisted Titan]

There is story out there that part 2 and 3 were not written by the original author


That makes a whole lot of sense because 2 and 3 where completely devoid of any logic at all


T

[bellevuebully]

Everyone is an agent. Few are courageous enough (or foolish enough) to act as principals.



Who were the principals?

[nunaem]

All I remember about the Matrix sequels is that I was rooting for the machines after this scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqx01bwiM10

[Hypertiger]

You are all are basically fighting to stay asleep to enjoy the dream you are awake.

You are all employees of the enterprise.

[Hatha Sunahara]

So, were they trying to sow the seeds of doubt among those of us who thought we could free ourselves from the yoke of these parasites? To show everyone how effective and invincible they are with their 'agentur'? Was that the point of the movie? That awareness of it (taking the RED pill) doesn't make it go away? That agent Smith is a formidable opponent. Abandon hope all ye who enter this arena? Resistance is futile? Everything that is the opposite of hope? Is that the message of the Matrix?

It is a complicated message. Delivered to the viscera. Completely bypasses the rational mind. I have no idea what it is, but a lot of feelings about it.


Hatha

[midnight rambler]

There is story out there that part 2 and 3 were not written by the original author


That makes a whole lot of sense because 2 and 3 where completely devoid of any logic at all


T


As I was sitting there watching Matrix 3 I was thinking to myself, "Dammit, I could be have gone and seen (another movie playing at the time which I don't recall) instead of this nonsense."

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Another interesting point we should explore is that humans as batteries is stupid - we barely generate any power whatsoever and using cows would be more efficient because they would not rebel. The way around this is that they weren't using humans solely as batteries - this was just Morpheus' understandings. One of the biggest roadbloacks to understanding the Matrix is understanding that Morpheus is COMPLETELY in the dark and has NO IDEA what is going on at any time. He is being used.

The oracle and the architect are pulling everybody's strings, including neo's, morpheus', and agent smith's. They are the veritable yin/yang of this universe. The oracle isn't giving neo cookies for no reason - she is physically altering his code via these packets. Smith does not become a rogue virus until Neo crashes into him at the end of the first movie.


It is far more likely that humans were being used as a vast distributed neural net processor.....A multi-billion core processor.

The only reason Neo was able to bring peace is because he THREATENED the machines with extinction. He was the only one with enough power to stop the virus Smith, who was destroying the internals of the machine's control structure - their own agent going rogue was far more dangerous than any rebel. Neo offered his SERVICES to the architect and in exchange, stopped smith with kung-fu. The architect would never have accepted peace terms - NEVER - if the Smith threat had not been unleashed.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

The Neo program and the Agent Smith program are both created by the Matrix (the architect), but their programming is changed by the Oracle. Remember in the first film, the Oracle gives Neo a cookie "after you eat this you will feel right as rain." This changes the Neo program. At the end of the first movie Neo "kills" Agent Smith by flying into him and exploding, but as Agent Smith explains in the second movie when he comes back "something from you copies over to me." Just before this scene as well you see the Oracle give Neo a piece of candy. By the last film Neo already believes he is the one and refuses the candy. As for the Oracle being a villian, that is a little far, however she is in more control than you think she is. Everything that happens is of her making, not Neo's free will. The story has nothing to do with Neo - he is just a vessel - the true story here is that the Oracle has finally decided to overthrow the Architect after so many iterations (six or seven) of the matrix being created and destroyed. To them, destroying the matrix is just a system reboot, and the oracle is tired of running an unstable mainframe.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Think about it like this... Every few computer cycles there are a couple errors (Zionist). After a while those errors threaten the system (the Matrix). Thus you need to remove all the errors and reboot the system (the function of the One).

[Hypertiger]

You all do supply power to the top.

The top grow richer in power by taking more power than they give from the bottom who grow poorer in power by giving more power than they take from the top.

Governments of the absolute capitalistic hierarchial food powered make work enterprise are administration systems of the enterprise constructed and sustained by the bottom or employees at the demand of the top or owners of the absolute capitalistic hierarchial food powered make work enterprise

All the power the top has is supplied by the bottom.

Everything the top has is supplied to the top by the bottom.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Well, they do talk about "natural born" "free raised" humans who are products of Zion. These humans don't have any implants, but the origional zionists who were freed from the matrix must have had implants. I guess the only logical conclusion is that while the "humans" in the matrix are technically cyborgs (they have to be, to accept the matrix implants in the back of the skull and spine) they're still basically human. So if two human-cyborgs are freed from the matrix, and copulate in Zion, then their offspring will be a biological human. This implies that the matrix acceptance equipment is done post birth, and that the humans who are powering the matrix are not born that way.


Contrast this to agent smith:

As Morpheus says about the Agents in the first movie which illustrates their purpose, "they are guarding all the doors, they are holding all the keys.." Basically they are there in the Matrix to try and stop people from leaving the Matrix. Agent Smith does not realize that there have been previous versions of the Matrix or of Zion. He believes, as he has been programmed to believe, that if he can get the keys to Zion (which the machines actually need to make their invasion easier) he will destroy the Matrix and not have to live amongst the humans he considers a "virus."


Smith, even though he's working on the side of the machines, is also being lied to.

In the matrix, the top lies to everybody, even their own people. Everyone is given a motivation according to what they will respond to the most. There is room for everybody, no matter which side you feel like you need to belong to.

[Book]

https://seeker401.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/morpheus-red-or-blue-pill-the-matrix-1957140-500-568.jpg
Black Drug Dealer takes Whitey on a Trip

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Science/images-3/The-Matrix-neo-bullets.jpg
Teenage Whitey watches this in theaters and wants drugs from Black Drug Dealer

http://www.danheller.com/Movies/MatrixRevolutions/alice-reeves-big.jpg
Dumbass Whitey being told what to think by superior wise Black Woman

http://cdn5.movieclips.com/warner-bros/t/the-matrix-revolutions-2003/0515596_17203_MC_Tx360.jpg
Waiting for Whitey to rescue their multicultural Plantation named Zion

:D

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Who is Seraph?

Seraph is the only individual with yellow code, and I assume that he is a left-over program from a previous version of the matrix when all the code may have been yellow. Perhaps he is from the first, perfect matrix? If the first matrix was like the biblical eden, then we know where Seraph{phim} gets his name.


http://api.ning.com/files/28cnadnQY1QTugI6-h7DvDBMDO8WKk7nxiQLaxRVfMMOlW141MqKzTQDgQBw0C5AT8w 5b1V7LZSUwvjMbnRBPisgJ4W1ibYN/seraph.jpg

One of the dominant themes of the matrix is that many programs refuse to be destroyed, and are actively in hiding. If you blink, you'll miss it, but in the 2nd movie they discuss that werewolves and ghosts are the previous agents from a previous iteration of the matrix.

Based on this, I do not find it a stretch of the imagination to assume that not all versions of the matrix took place in 1999. Perhaps there were previous versions of the matrix which took place in the middle ages. People disappearing to ghosts and werewolves fits right in with that, just as people disappearing to modern day G-Men in suits fits in with a 1999 timeframe.

[ShortJohnSilver]

It is well known that the first Matrix movie is good, the other two are crap, no matter how much I wanted to like them, I could not.

The first movie was not written by the Wachowskis, the second and third were. I am unable to find reliable info on the outcome of the lawsuit.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Excellent post by our friend G2rad:





Movie had it wrong?


Movie the Matrix is UnHollywood-made story about coming of Antichrist.
Antichrist (Neo) will set himself up at Zion against God's will.
Zion is the name of the city in the movie. Zion worships him in the movie.
The death of the forerunner will be followed by his miraculous resurrection.
The same happens to Neo after he was killed by Agent Smith
The false prophet (Morpheus, one of Satanic trinity) predicts that Neo is THE ONE.
The next world war is going to be in the Middle East. Antichrist (Neo) got to save Zion (Israel) and establish peace by crushing Muslims, who replicate like demonic agent Smith.
Notice how Satan (the Architect character) cringed at the thought of peace at the end of the third episode
The false peace that Neo gives with the machine-world will be broken half way through (3.5 years).

“Frustrating anomaly”.
Quote "There was a man who could do things in the Matrix before Neo".
Notice, that Neo was the 7th iteration of the "frustrating anomaly", which was causing the Architect (Satan) so much frustration.
Notice that Christ is the frustrating anomaly in the world of today and of 2000 years ago, and many false iterations were after Him.
Notice that “Nebuchadnezzar” was their ship in the Matrix
The red pill of the movie is more like taking the mark of the beast
Notice how well Satan knows the Bible.
The movie is a forerunner made to test mass-psycho reaction to what is planned to happen and to work out minor details. Its slow slow slow corruption / preparation. What was unthinkable before now is trivial.

[ximmy]

https://seeker401.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/morpheus-red-or-blue-pill-the-matrix-1957140-500-568.jpg
Black Drug Dealer takes Whitey on a Trip

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Science/images-3/The-Matrix-neo-bullets.jpg
Teenage Whitey watches this in theaters and wants drugs from Black Drug Dealer

http://www.danheller.com/Movies/MatrixRevolutions/alice-reeves-big.jpg
Dumbass Whitey being told what to think by superior wise Black Woman

http://cdn5.movieclips.com/warner-bros/t/the-matrix-revolutions-2003/0515596_17203_MC_Tx360.jpg
Waiting for Whitey to rescue their multicultural Plantation named Zion

:D




I'll never see the movie quite the same way again... :(

[ximmy]

Another interesting point we should explore is that humans as batteries is stupid - we barely generate any power whatsoever and using cows would be more efficient because they would not rebel. The way around this is that they weren't using humans solely as batteries - this was just Morpheus' understandings. One of the biggest roadbloacks to understanding the Matrix is understanding that Morpheus is COMPLETELY in the dark and has NO IDEA what is going on at any time. He is being used.

The oracle and the architect are pulling everybody's strings, including neo's, morpheus', and agent smith's. They are the veritable yin/yang of this universe. The oracle isn't giving neo cookies for no reason - she is physically altering his code via these packets. Smith does not become a rogue virus until Neo crashes into him at the end of the first movie.


It is far more likely that humans were being used as a vast distributed neural net processor.....A multi-billion core processor.

The only reason Neo was able to bring peace is because he THREATENED the machines with extinction. He was the only one with enough power to stop the virus Smith, who was destroying the internals of the machine's control structure - their own agent going rogue was far more dangerous than any rebel. Neo offered his SERVICES to the architect and in exchange, stopped smith with kung-fu. The architect would never have accepted peace terms - NEVER - if the Smith threat had not been unleashed.




I will never eat a cookie quite the same way again... :(

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Another interesting point we should explore is that humans as batteries is stupid - we barely generate any power whatsoever and using cows would be more efficient because they would not rebel. The way around this is that they weren't using humans solely as batteries - this was just Morpheus' understandings. One of the biggest roadbloacks to understanding the Matrix is understanding that Morpheus is COMPLETELY in the dark and has NO IDEA what is going on at any time. He is being used.

The oracle and the architect are pulling everybody's strings, including neo's, morpheus', and agent smith's. They are the veritable yin/yang of this universe. The oracle isn't giving neo cookies for no reason - she is physically altering his code via these packets. Smith does not become a rogue virus until Neo crashes into him at the end of the first movie.


It is far more likely that humans were being used as a vast distributed neural net processor.....A multi-billion core processor.

The only reason Neo was able to bring peace is because he THREATENED the machines with extinction. He was the only one with enough power to stop the virus Smith, who was destroying the internals of the machine's control structure - their own agent going rogue was far more dangerous than any rebel. Neo offered his SERVICES to the architect and in exchange, stopped smith with kung-fu. The architect would never have accepted peace terms - NEVER - if the Smith threat had not been unleashed.




I will never eat a cookie quite the same way again... :(



In "real life" we also use sweet treats to manipulate companion animals, as well as our kids, and as well as ourselves. Even hypertiger admits that food is the ultimate driver of the makework food powered hierarchal system.

They just took this metaphor to the extreme when they made the physical cookie equal to a computer cookie that can change the code of the Neo subroutine.


If Book wants to look for racism in the Matrix, that's easy to find. The oracle is manipulating Neo to fight against the architect to further her own purposes. The Architect is the quintessential white southern gentleman, and he is being undermined by another white dude (Neo) who was tricked into acting that way. As he might say, whitey is manipulated into fighting whitey. I don't think this is the actual message of the movie, but it doesn't hurt to explore it as an intellectual exercise.

[Book]

I'll never see the movie quite the same way again... :(



http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfb8pgAEs51qbbl2po1_500.jpg
Yo. I gotta pill that will turn you into Neo. You wanna fly and dodge bullets and save the World and shit?

[ximmy]

Brilliant...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3babyGdnoM&NR=1

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Sometimes in life, you need to make a choice. Sometimes, the choice that you make is not even important - the only important thing is that you DECIDE TO CHOOSE. I believe this is the case with Neo - it isn't important what choice he makes - it's only important that he doesn't refrain from making a choice.

Neo taking no action would have been the only way to fight the Oracle's manipulation. Choosing yes or choosing no - she still gets her results.

[Book]

If Book wants to look for racism in the Matrix, that's easy to find. The oracle is manipulating Neo to fight against the architect to further her own purposes. The Architect is the quintessential white southern gentleman, and he is being undermined by another white dude (Neo) who was tricked into acting that way. As he might say, whitey is manipulated into fighting whitey. I don't think this is the actual message of the movie, but it doesn't hurt to explore it as an intellectual exercise.



http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/1999_The_Matrix/999MTX_Joe_Pantoliano_002.jpg
Whitey betrays Whitey for food



The Architect is actually the real-world jew who got rich producing this real-world movie extolling the subliminal goyim goal to save ZION (Israel).

:)

[PatColo]

also see this similar mind-bending blockbuster,

V for Zionism (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/v-for-zionism/)

[Book]

also see this similar mind-bending blockbuster,

V for Zionism (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/v-for-zionism/)



FROM THAT THREAD:




the Wachowski brothers made V for Vendetta.

in The Matrix, what did the Wachowski brothers call the humans' sacred homeland ?

Zion.



:)

[keehah]

Threatening computer voice warning stereotype but quite intelligent.
At least intelligent enough not to get stuck in the Hollywood. ;D

What is The Matrix - a system to keep you poor and stupid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5iITd0BYP4

[vacuum]

Another interesting point we should explore is that humans as batteries is stupid - we barely generate any power whatsoever and using cows would be more efficient because they would not rebel. The way around this is that they weren't using humans solely as batteries - this was just Morpheus' understandings. One of the biggest roadbloacks to understanding the Matrix is understanding that Morpheus is COMPLETELY in the dark and has NO IDEA what is going on at any time. He is being used.

The oracle and the architect are pulling everybody's strings, including neo's, morpheus', and agent smith's. They are the veritable yin/yang of this universe. The oracle isn't giving neo cookies for no reason - she is physically altering his code via these packets. Smith does not become a rogue virus until Neo crashes into him at the end of the first movie.


It is far more likely that humans were being used as a vast distributed neural net processor.....A multi-billion core processor.

I've always thought the humans-used-as-batteries thing, the entire premise of the movie, was kind of dumb and quite lacking. Your idea that they were using humanity's brains for additional processing power is an interesting one.

I have another theory however, something a (self aware) machine would need that it could not get any other way. It was harvesting consciousness. The machine cannot create or form its own conscious energy, which exists just outside of the strictly 3d world of matter. While the machine somehow became conscious, it cannot remain so with just it's hardware of electrons, silicon, and steel. The quantum coupling to the 4d area which our mind (not brain) resides in cannot be duplicated with that hardware. So the machine needs to connect its hardware to our brains, using them as transceivers to the 4d world, and therefore maintaining its own self awareness.

Not only that, but it must harvest our emotions to feed itself. Raw nuclear, electrical, or fossil fuel power can operate machinery, but thoughts and feelings take conscious energy to operate. This energy comes from the environment as our life experiences, struggles and triumphs.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

I like that idea even better. Some people have noted that dreams are scalar in nature. Human consciousness may be the machines only opportunity to generate scalar energy, as well as other types of energy (meditative energy, love, anger).

It would not be very difficult to harvest enough raw minerals from underground to complete several large scale power plants. After the initial set-up, the machines really should be set for power. The human brain has to offer them something very unique in order to keep it around. I think you make a good point here.


When I was working with the theory of them using the human brain to expand their own processing power, I played with the idea that it occurred in dreaming. We view dreaming as a "random defrag" of our brain, but what if dreams in the matrix were actually the harvesting process taking place? It would seem to us like a normal defrag, i.e. a random series of phantasmagoric images.

This was the scariest idea I could come up with. It strips us of one of the basic tenets of our psyche. Even in a prison, the mind is supposed to be free. In this scenario, even that is lost.

[SilverMagnet]

I find it interesting that the Matrix series has provoked the varying responses in this thread which were predictable at best.

Hypertiger sees it as a top/bottom manipulation which is no different than posts that were made 5 years ago verbatim. I thought that by now, there would be at least a slight deviation in the script, but looks like that's not gonna happen for HT.

Book sees it as a subliminal racist themed series, which is right on the money with the rest of his racist posts.

TNE is the only one that has put serious thought provoking questions into the discussion while remaining unbiased.

That in itself should be enough to tell you that in a movie, we see what we want to see as in all other aspects of life. It is a matter of perception. The Matrix (original) challenged everyone to question their perceptions which was why it was such a great film.

As far as the other two films went, for me there was too much of an emphasis on sacrifice and religion which is a bias in my own perceptions. However I will set that aside and give the films credit for at least challenging one to think as opposed to the spoonfed conclusions which are given to you in most other films.

[vacuum]

It would not be very difficult to harvest enough raw minerals from underground to complete several large scale power plants. After the initial set-up, the machines really should be set for power. The human brain has to offer them something very unique in order to keep it around.

Not only that, but humans don't actually create energy.....they take in organic matter than emit tiny amounts of thermal energy. Just think, they have to grow some type of organic food with the right nutrients, build and installation that is kept at the right conditions to support biological life (the facility shown in the movie looks like it cost about $1 trillion to construct), then create a huge, fully 3d and realistic mmo that completely mimics our world - including our own supercomputers, weather, physics experiements, etc. All this for maybe 100 or 200 W per person?

My idea isn't actually my idea....its just what other people say our real world actually is. I just took it and put it back in the Matrix so that it is a complete analog to the real world. And the premises are the same.

[vacuum]

In the matrix, the top lies to everybody, even their own people. Everyone is given a motivation according to what they will respond to the most. There is room for everybody, no matter which side you feel like you need to belong to.

Good observation. At the top there is only one, who everyone else really ultimately serves.



Sometimes in life, you need to make a choice. Sometimes, the choice that you make is not even important - the only important thing is that you DECIDE TO CHOOSE. I believe this is the case with Neo - it isn't important what choice he makes - it's only important that he doesn't refrain from making a choice.

Neo taking no action would have been the only way to fight the Oracle's manipulation. Choosing yes or choosing no - she still gets her results.

False dichotomy. Good question. We're forced to move forward and not think about what we are really doing. There is no time, we always have to act.



Who is Seraph?

Seraph is the only individual with yellow code, and I assume that he is a left-over program from a previous version of the matrix when all the code may have been yellow. Perhaps he is from the first, perfect matrix? If the first matrix was like the biblical eden, then we know where Seraph{phim} gets his name.


http://api.ning.com/files/28cnadnQY1QTugI6-h7DvDBMDO8WKk7nxiQLaxRVfMMOlW141MqKzTQDgQBw0C5AT8w 5b1V7LZSUwvjMbnRBPisgJ4W1ibYN/seraph.jpg

One of the dominant themes of the matrix is that many programs refuse to be destroyed, and are actively in hiding. If you blink, you'll miss it, but in the 2nd movie they discuss that werewolves and ghosts are the previous agents from a previous iteration of the matrix.

Based on this, I do not find it a stretch of the imagination to assume that not all versions of the matrix took place in 1999. Perhaps there were previous versions of the matrix which took place in the middle ages. People disappearing to ghosts and werewolves fits right in with that, just as people disappearing to modern day G-Men in suits fits in with a 1999 timeframe.

One has to wonder if our collective civilization has been reset before. Things like Atlantis, Bosnian pyramids, and even the Egyptian pyramids don't make any sense.

[PatColo]

In the first movie, we believe that the "awake" people, who are freedom fighters, are those who freed their minds. In the 2nd/3rd movies, it is revealed that this is not true - [...]




also see this similar mind-bending blockbuster,

V for Zionism (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/v-for-zionism/)


I should note, while I loved The Matrix 1, I never saw the later 2 & 3. I'd heard many bad things about them, "disappointments" to Matrix-1 fans, and just never went out of my way to see them.

IMDB.com has extensive plot synopsis (with spoilers!) of most movies, useful to people analyzing given movies, as the written synopsis can highlight things the viewer missed-

1.
The Matrix (1999) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0133093/)
2.
The Matrix Reloaded (2003) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0234215/)
3.
The Matrix Revolutions (2007) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0242653/)

[Book]

Book sees it as a subliminal racist themed series, which is right on the money with the rest of his racist posts.



http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/5271/thematrixreloaded068927.jpg

Only a "racist" will notice the racism in The Matrix.

:D

[nunaem]

I think the Matrix was way overrated and not worth dissecting.

This part was interesting however:

[Large Sarge]

Not only that, but humans don't actually create energy....

Actually they do. Conductors moving in a magnetic field create electricity. The blood, being saline, is conductive and moves constantly. The magnetic field is provided by the earth. Two thousand years ago the earths magnetic field was reportedly 4.5 gauss and is now .5 gauss as a pole shift approaches. That would be 1/9 the intensity in the present day that it was in the past. The energy created in ones body is proportionately less.

Voltage is healing. A pH above 7 is alkaline while that below is acidic. Ph of 7 corresponds to 0 mv, ph of 14 would be -400mv and ph of 0 is +400mv. Alkaline means free electrons are available. Acidic means free electrons are absorbed. A healthy cell generally rests at -15mv while one that is damaged and capable of repairing itself is elevated to -50mv.

The entire process of living is closely related to electricity and magnetism.

yes,

and the red blood cells carry "chi" or "orgone"

[Book]

I will never eat a cookie quite the same way again... :(



http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y219/jerryhsu/nazi_cookies.jpg
HAVE A COOKIE NEO






|--0--| now THAT would be a movie worth watching!

[Book]

I think the Matrix was way overrated and not worth dissecting.



Keeps the confused goyim (http://www.matrix-explained.com/) busy from noticing their ZOG in the real world. Like this thread.

;)

[Son-of-Liberty]

Another interesting point we should explore is that humans as batteries is stupid - we barely generate any power whatsoever and using cows would be more efficient because they would not rebel. The way around this is that they weren't using humans solely as batteries - this was just Morpheus' understandings.


While it might be somewhat silly that humans be used as literal batteries I saw this as a metaphor for how are current system operates.

Labor earns money which is a symbol for energy. The government harvests the energy via forced taxation to run the machine.

Read my sig.

[bellevuebully]

Regardless of the outcome of the disection, whatever may be perceived as intentionally inferred is only inferred as a perception of how the matrix operates from the viewpoint of those fabricating the story.

In the end, their perception of how it operates and by who's authority, will be powerless and laid subserviant to the truth.

The lesson is: do not try to find truth in the works of those who would have you to believe a lie.

[vacuum]

Not only that, but humans don't actually create energy....

Actually they do. Conductors moving in a magnetic field create electricity.

Strictly speaking, energy can neither be created nor destroyed. (This is the law above all other laws out there btw :)) The small amount of work done to our bodies in earth's magnetic field requires an equal and opposite force from our muscles to move our saline body in a magnetic field.

[oldmansmith]

[/quote]
I've always thought the humans-used-as-batteries thing, the entire premise of the movie, was kind of dumb and quite lacking. Your idea that they were using humanity's brains for additional processing power is an interesting one.

I have another theory however, something a (self aware) machine would need that it could not get any other way. It was harvesting consciousness. The machine cannot create or form its own conscious energy, which exists just outside of the strictly 3d world of matter. While the machine somehow became conscious, it cannot remain so with just it's hardware of electrons, silicon, and steel. The quantum coupling to the 4d area which our mind (not brain) resides in cannot be duplicated with that hardware. So the machine needs to connect its hardware to our brains, using them as transceivers to the 4d world, and therefore maintaining its own self awareness.

Not only that, but it must harvest our emotions to feed itself. Raw nuclear, electrical, or fossil fuel power can operate machinery, but thoughts and feelings take conscious energy to operate. This energy comes from the environment as our life experiences, struggles and triumphs.
[/quote]

I actually think that this is not too far off the truth, except that they are not machines but beings in another dimension. We provide food through our emotions; we are an emotion farm. We have self-importance and egos to cause flares in energy that they feed on. Think about it: why on earth would any human feel self importance when in 100 years (or less) you will be maggot food? How nice an ass does Marilyn Monroe have now?

I have seen such things in lucid dreaming but that is all I want to say about that....

[keehah]

I can see the matrix running through this....

http://zippittydodah.blogspot.com/2011/05/dreaming-of-reptiles-under-skinny.html

That’s the thing about ‘awakening’. It’s going to happen whether you like it or not. I see a lot of myself in Steven Tyler and the rest but I’m on mute with that sort of thing because of the culture of corruption. If you aren’t willing to bend over then they just hit the refresh switch.

Surface activities and long, lying dead events are closer in time than they know and far more vulnerable than they think. It takes two to tango and that means you and whoever you are dancing with should all take a closer look at yourselves so that you don’t turn into someone else; someone you didn’t intend to be. I deal with that every day. It’s a harsh curriculum in some ways but I do know one thing and that is that the longest route is the shortest certainty, absent grace, miracles and whatever.

So I have to ask if you share my suspicion that these people, whoever they are, are after more than just your physical world. We don’t pay enough attention to the connection between bad history and the covering of tracks but we should because we are what’s for dinner. I could tell you that the whole thing... from way, way back is all about the fact that we eat each other to survive, one way or another because well, the serpent has it’s tail in it’s mouth; “Honey, where did you get that belt”? I could do that and it would answer all your questions and explain that Jesus Christ thing about, “this is my body, this is my blood” That kind of thing is only important to people who appreciate good wine, metaphorically speaking.

TPTW are out there looking for something. I get that feeling and I get the feeling that no matter what, they will never find it and they will destroy themselves in the attempt. It’s the published excuse for Israel, which happens to be Palestine. It’s the one thing that is the greatest enemy of all and that is the fabrications of history according to what did and did not happen. I can tell you with true sincerity that Germany is not a bad place, nor are Germans bad people. They’re too intelligent, industrious, honest and organized enough for their own good sometimes. It’s because of the language. German is the language of business. You would all be much improved by looking to the mystery of languages and the interesting phenomenon of which countries drive on which sides of the road and which countries read left to right or right to left. It explains a lot. You’ll have to get someone else to explain it because that’s not my department.

The reason people want to control the historical record and plunder ancient realities is in order to control the perception of what is and is not. It is the essential veil that hides one world from another in order for it to operate or you can use a Mobius Strip if you like.

So what have I told you? Things are the way they are because essentially we are eating each other because everything is essentially made out of the same thing. There can be no question that some kind of a God exists and there can be legitimate questions about any author besides randomnomitry; chaos takes the blame and Jeff Goldblum plays him in the film.

It all comes down to what you can live with, be seduced into or sell yourself off for. We all make some kind of an arrangement. It doesn’t work otherwise and with deals you get problems. That’s how it is down here. You might want to be on American Idol and you might want to find Shambhala. You might screw up your life on American Idol but you’ll have a nice bank account. You might want to destroy Shambhala but you will only destroy yourself. Certain things work certain ways. That’s why we are still here. Evil does indeed destroy itself because it would be ever so much worse otherwise; bad as it is already. In that case Pinhead from Hellraiser would be president visibly.

Obama is a sock puppet. Maybe Mel Gibson is trying to say something like that. There are some things I wouldn’t apologize for, famous or not. The people who understood would understand and, as for the rest, well, I’m not on American Idol. I don’t have to dance to their tune. I’ve got my own; “Still ringing the bell here Boss”.

It all comes down to what you can live with; wake up or uh oh. You can just tell people what Lord Buckley once said, in character, “I didn’t get all these miles on my face in one lifetime". It all comes down to you. You collectively are more powerful than they will ever be. Their only power comes from controlling your perceptions; like the elections aren’t rigged, the check is in your mouth and so on and so forth. If you turn away from their machinations and don’t participate they collapse. Get off the treadmill darling and hang out in the wide, high and deep lonesome with me. They are a house of ‘cards’. Treasure the insight.


End Transmission.......

[mick silver]

You are all are basically fighting to stay asleep to enjoy the dream you are awake.

You are all employees of the enterprise.
i just cant wait till the TOP start taking from the TOP . WHAT A DAY THAT WILL BE . once there done with the bottom that would be the only thing left for them to do . i bet you didnt think of that hah hah

[mick silver]

so tell me what will happen when there no bottom people left will the top eat the top then hypertiger

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Mick,

Two tigers cannot live on the same mountain.

[G2Rad]

for those technically inclined, the Matrix idea would be incomplete without consideration of such keywords as

"hidden-variables theory" and "Bell's Theorem"

John Bell was perhaps the greatest scientist ever lived and most unknown to the public

Bell proved that quantum theory is incomplete and cannot be explained without reality being a feed, five billion "feeds" as there are five billion "users"

as crazy as it sounds, the inside of you room does not exist until you step into it

Non-locality is still front end of science even this day ( go to arxiv.org and search for "Bell's inequality" )

food for thought

[G2Rad]

René Descartes (one of the fathers of mathematics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Descartes#Mathematical_legacy)), once said "Cogito ergo sum" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito_ergo_sum)


"I think, therefore I am"

have you ever tried to apply that to the couch, which is inside of your room?

;D

[Horn]

http://mundosonhos.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/resist-the-zionist-matrix.jpg

[Horn]

Two poles of a battery, is all it takes to power the great make work project.

http://www.actionmoviefreak.com/images/Matrix/matrix-battery.jpg

[Ash_Williams]

This is how I saw it:

Humans are batteries for the system in the movie because humans are batteries for the system in reality. Individual humans give their power to the system. It doesn't matter if the brain generates electricity because it's a metaphor.

If you're good and you accept your place in the system (society) then everything is fine. If you wonder what is missing in your life and you decide the system isn't totally real or important then you end up in trouble with agents on your ass.

The system does whatever it can to keep its self alive, and so do the people in it. That's why everyone is a potential enemy. They'll betray you for the system that enslaves them.

You think you need the system. You think the rules are real.

It's just a metaphor for reality.

The other two movies were written by someone else, sucked balls, and shouldn't enter into the discussion.

[Bigjon]

This is how I saw it:

Humans are batteries for the system in the movie because humans are batteries for the system in reality. Individual humans give their power to the system. It doesn't matter if the brain generates electricity because it's a metaphor.

If you're good and you accept your place in the system (society) then everything is fine. If you wonder what is missing in your life and you decide the system isn't totally real or important then you end up in trouble with agents on your ass.

The system does whatever it can to keep its self alive, and so do the people in it. That's why everyone is a potential enemy. They'll betray you for the system that enslaves them.

You think you need the system. You think the rules are real.

It's just a metaphor for reality.

The other two movies were written by someone else, sucked balls, and shouldn't enter into the discussion.


I would love to embark on a course for freedom, burn my drivers license, rip off my cars license plates, stop paying income taxes, but my wife won't hear of it.

Another whipped dog.

[Horn]

I would love to embark on a course for freedom, burn my drivers license, rip off my cars license plates, stop paying income taxes, but my wife won't hear of it.

Another whipped dog.


Soon scar tissue will build up.

[Horn]

The original film ranked an underwhelming 163rd in 2nd weekend ratings.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=matrix.htm

[G2Rad]

it is not about seeking better position in the fake world of the Matrix

material things are temporal and will become nothing after the Matrix run its course

After getting unhooked from the “game”, the social standing of our “avatars” won’t matter.

The only thing that will matter is which side we joined while in the Matrix

Thus the final destination will be determined. Some will head into eternal lake of fire; others will head to New Heavens and the New Earth.

Once upon a time there was a creature, which was most beautiful, intelligent and perfect ever lived.
That being became arrogant and needed a lesson to be taught.

Incredibly, about four megabytes of Code can transform common dirt into royalty above stars of old.

[ximmy]

I will never eat a cookie quite the same way again... :(



http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y219/jerryhsu/nazi_cookies.jpg
HAVE A COOKIE NEO






|--0--| now THAT would be a movie worth watching!

[Horn]

Talk about sacrilegious...purple pills.

[SLV^GLD]

Sometimes in life, you need to make a choice. Sometimes, the choice that you make is not even important - the only important thing is that you DECIDE TO CHOOSE.

3 frogs are sitting on a lily pad.
1 frog decides to jump.
How many frogs are left?

[Horn]

The only scene that means anything, all the rest is fluff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b02SihR324A&feature=related

[G2Rad]

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not

[SLV^GLD]

Sometimes in life, you need to make a choice. Sometimes, the choice that you make is not even important - the only important thing is that you DECIDE TO CHOOSE.

3 frogs are sitting on a lily pad.
1 frog decides to jump.
How many frogs are left?


Answer: 3 frogs remain. 1 frog only made the decision. Decision != action.

[Horn]

Sometimes in life, you need to make a choice. Sometimes, the choice that you make is not even important - the only important thing is that you DECIDE TO CHOOSE.

3 frogs are sitting on a lily pad.
1 frog decides to jump.
How many frogs are left?


Answer: 3 frogs remain. 1 frog only made the decision. Decision != action.


My guess is he fell short of snatching a fly = reaction.

Call it fate.

[Book]

Talk about sacrilegious...



http://gold-silver.us/forum/the-lounge/thought-provoking-photos/msg225388/#msg225388

Ximmy is not only a discerning deep thinker, but also very talented in Photoshop.


:D i'm her biggest fan now

[Horn]

...

[Twisted Titan]

It is well known that the first Matrix movie is good, the other two are crap, no matter how much I wanted to like them, I could not.

The first movie was not written by the Wachowskis, the second and third were. I am unable to find reliable info on the outcome of the lawsuit.





i dont know how accurate this is but i rembering hearing somthing on this a while back



Copyright Infringement Case





Black Author wins The Matrix Copyright Infringement Case

This little known story has met a just conclusion, as Sophia Stewart, African American author of The Matrix will finally receive her just due from the copyright infringement of her original work!!!

A six-year dispute has ended involving Sophia Stewart, the Wachowski Brothers, Joel Silver and Warner Brothers. Stewart's allegations, involving copyright infringement and racketeering, were received and acknowledged by the Central District of California, Judge Margaret Morrow presiding.

Stewart, a New Yorker who has resided in Salt Lake City for the past five years, will recover damages from the films, The Matrix I, II and III, as well as The Terminator and its sequels. She will soon receive one of the biggest payoffs in the history of Hollywood, as the gross receipts of both films and their sequels total over 2.5 billion dollars.

Stewart filed her case in 1999, after viewing the Matrix, which she felt had been based on her manuscript, 'The Third Eye,' copyrighted in 1981. In the mid-eighties Stewart had submitted her manuscript to an ad placed by the Wachowski Brothers, requesting new sci-fi works..

According to court documentation, an FBI investigation discovered that more than thirty minutes had been edited from the original film, in an attempt to avoid penalties for copyright infringement. The investigation also stated that 'credible witnesses employed at Warner Brothers came forward, claiming that the executives and lawyers had full knowledge that the work in question did not belong to the Wachowski Brothers.' These witnesses claimed to have seen Stewart's original work and that it had been 'often used during preparation of the motion pictures.' The defendants tried, on several occasions, to have Stewart's case dismissed, without success.

Stewart has confronted skepticism on all sides, much of which comes from Matrix fans, who are strangely loyal to the Wachowski Brothers. One on-line forum, entitled Matrix Explained has an entire section devoted to Stewart. Some who have researched her history and writings are open to her story.

Others are suspicious and mocking. 'It doesn't bother me,' said Stewart in a phone interview last week, 'I always knew what was true.'

Some fans, are unaware of the case or they question its legitimacy, due to the fact that it has received little to no media coverage. Though the case was not made public until October of 2003, Stewart has her own explanation, as quoted at aghettotymz.com:

'The reason you have not seen any of this in the media is because Warner Brothers parent company is AOL-Time Warner.... this GIANT owns 95 percent of the media... let me give you a clue as to what they own in the media business... New York Times papers/magazines, LA Times papers/magazines, People Magazine, CNN news, Extra, Celebrity Justice, Entertainment Tonight, HBO, New Line Cinema, DreamWorks, Newsweek, Village Roadshow and many, many more! They are not going to report on themselves. They have been suppressing my case for years.'

Fans who have taken Stewart's allegations seriously, have found eerie mythological parallels, which seem significant in a case that revolves around the highly metaphorical and symbolic Matrix series. Sophia, the Greek goddess of wisdom has been referenced many times in speculation about Stewart. In one book about the Goddess Sophia, it reads, 'The black goddess is the mistress of web creation spun in her divine matrix.'

Although there have been outside implications as to racial injustice (Stewart is African American), she does not feel that this is the case. 'This is all about the Benjamins,' said Stewart. 'It's not about money with me. It's about justice.'

Stewart's future plans involve a record label, entitled Popsilk Records, and a motion picture production company, All Eyez On Me, in reference to God. 'I wrote The Third Eye to wake people up, to remind them why God put them here. There's more to life than money,' said Stewart. 'My whole to the world is about God and good and about choice, about spirituality over 'technocracy'.'

If Stewart represents spirituality, then she truly has prevailed over the 'technocracy' represented in both the Terminator and the Matrix, and now, ironically, by their supposed creators.

Stewart is currently having discussions with CBS about a possible exclusive story and has several media engagements in the near future to nationally publicize her victory. June 13th 2004. Sophia Stewart's press release read: 'The Matrix & Terminator movie franchises have made world history and have ultimately changed the way people view movies and how Hollywood does business, yet the real truth about the creator and creation of these films continue to elude the masses because the hidden secret of the matter is that these films were created and written by a Black woman...a Black woman named Sophia Stewart. But Hollywood does not want you to know this fact simply because it would change history. Also it would encourage our Black children to realize a dream and that is...nothing is impossible for them to achieve!'

Greg Thomas, Editor

[dys]

Many on this forum look for and can recognize Masonic double meanings. Few on this forum look for and can recognize Masonic triple meanings. The second meaning is often easy to grasp, the third difficult.
edit to add: the 3rd meaning is usually the important one

dys

[gunDriller]

i think the plot of the Matrix had a lot of truth in it. the metaphor of the Red Pill/ Blue Pill has become a deeply entrenched part of out culture.

speaking of deeply entrenched, i hope that Lady Gaga does not have the same staying power. i can't stand her.

anyway, the 2 Zionist give-aways of the Wachowski brothers -

1. what did they name the Home of the Humans in this movie trilogy that has gripped the imagination of an entire generation ? Zion.

2. their work on the movie V for Vendetta. they romanticize violent revolution, and turn it into a profit center - while in the background, the US & British governments tighten the screws even tighter.


i don't know. perhaps the Wachowski brothers are true revolutionaries, not just clever film-makers.

[Horn]

i think the plot of the Matrix had a lot of truth in it. the metaphor of the Red Pill/ Blue Pill has become a deeply entrenched part of out culture.

speaking of deeply entrenched, i hope that Lady Gaga does not have the same staying power. i can't stand her.

anyway, the 2 Zionist give-aways of the Wachowski brothers -

1. what did they name the Home of the Humans in this movie trilogy that has gripped the imagination of an entire generation ? Zion.

2. their work on the movie V for Vendetta. they romanticize violent revolution, and turn it into a profit center - while in the background, the US & British governments tighten the screws even tighter.


i don't know. perhaps the Wachowski brothers are true revolutionaries, not just clever film-makers.


V for Vogue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFrE0gMA6fI

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moW17YHl6B8&feature=youtu.be

[sirgonzo420]

Ok, so I started to read the OP, and suddenly came to the realization that I have NOT seen all the Matrix movies.

Apparently, I'm missing a pretty big chuck of the picture there!

I'll have to get all three and watch them.

[joboo]

I liked the series. Despite what the movie might have meant, I took away NEO as the one bit of code the TPTB made on purpose to fix a flaw in the system but it ultimately backfired, and the rebellion succeeded.

My mind works in mysterious ways...:cool: