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gunDriller
8th May 2011, 02:23 PM
For me this subject is very interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Lbk0RjKRP4

/\ I think this thing is placed upstream of the centrifuge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL7CY7j8-_Q

/\ The centrifuge does the work of 100 to 1000 gold miners using pans.


A lot of gold finds are random - a hunter looks down and finds a rock with gold in it.

That inspires a bunch of gold-hunting. I thought this passage did a good job describing one of the techniques for working up from the placer deposits found in a stream, to the actual lode that the gold came from -

http://www.goldgold.com/stories/greatslabs.htm

"Each mining area also has distinctive sizes and shapes of gold particles. Some areas are noted for the size of the nuggets produced; other areas produce only microscopic particles of gold. The type of gold in the area determines the method of searching for it.

All placer gold originated in a lode vein. If large nuggets were found in the stream placers, they sometimes led to fabulous lodes. The early miners discovered many valuable lode mines and pockets by following the placer leads.

As a vein of gold weathers and wears away over the centuries, gold will spill down the hill or mountainside, spreading in a V-shaped pattern as it migrates down to the nearest stream. Some pockets produced only a few ounces of gold. Others, such as the famous Gold Hill Pocket, produced up to a ton of gold.

Some miners specialized in pocket hunting. They developed an inverted V method of searching for pockets. When the placer lead stopped in the stream, they started digging test holes on the hillsides. As the rows of test holes progressed uphill, the inverted V pattern was established by the holes which produced gold. The pocket of gold was found at the point of the inverted V.

Some pocket hunters worked on the theory that pockets always occurred in groups of three. When the surface pocket was worked out and the vein pinched off, they kept digging and sometimes were able to strike a second and third pocket."


So the gold is distributed in a V-pattern as it makes its way down a hill to a stream, over the years. Then the miners try to work backwards in an inverted V, to try & locate the mother lode.

But it's fairly obvious that you will probably just get a good tan and maybe a fantastic case of poison oak if you just go out and pan the same creek everyone else pans.

So, to increase the yields, some mines now set up a mechanized placer system, and they use a centrifuge to concentrate the gold, taking advantage of its extreme density.


http://www.oro-industries.com/products/centrifuge/centrifuge_oro-industries.html

http://www.oro-industries.com/_images/_equipment/_centrifuge/centrifuge1.jpg

/\ The Tool, a Centrifuge.

http://www.musclecars.net/parts/parts-images-large/two-gram-vial-placer-gold-dust-flakes-and-or-nuggets_120686943476.jpg
/\ The Goal - Gold Dust

As it turns out, extracting gold flakes from a mud slurry that is gold-rich involves working with mesh sizes -

"RECOVERY: “If you can pan it we can recover it". A “skilled panner” can recover free gold down to 100 mesh. And our Low-G Centrifuge has equal ability for free gold recovery. However, in a production environment, recovery rates using gravity separation methods for gold particles down to 200-300 mesh begin to decline using any gravity separation method. We claim 99% recovery of free gold down to 100 mesh and 80% to 90% recovery down to 200 mesh. Recovery rates of free-gold particles at 300 mesh minus start getting out of reach of physical concentration means and require chemical separation methods. 300 mesh gold is almost colloidal and tends to stay in suspension in the turbid water. Even in clear water, this ultra fine gold stays in suspension almost indefinitely with the high water flows in a production environment. Claims of high recovery rates of 300 mesh gold in a production environment using physical (gravity) means are simply not true."


It sounds like, once the gold particles get too small, then you need to use chemical methods to separate them.

One thing I learned is that in the "olden days", the first Gold Rush in California & Oregon, in areas where they had enough rain, they would carve canals into the hill-side, 1000 feet up from the area they wanted to explore for gold. Then the water would rush down the canals, and be channeled into a tube 100 to 200 feet above the mining claim. So they would basically end up with the equivalent of a fire hose amount of water, which they would use to dig away the creek-bed or hillside to find more good sludge/sand/rock to run through their sluices, looking for those juicy nuggets.

http://metaldetectingworld.com/07_photogallery/singles/gold_nuggets.jpg

I thought this miner's log from 1869 was interesting -

"The mines are therefore directly dependent upon the duration of the season of rains. This lasts usually from December 15 to June 1. The mining season for the year ending June 30, 1869, was, however, here, as elsewhere, a very short one, owing to the extreme dryness of the winter. The season opened about the loth of January, and was over by the middle of May. When I visited the county, early in August, nothing was doing except by some of the Chinese, who were painfully overhauling the dirt heaps and carrying the earth to water. The average annual product of Jackson County in gold dust for the last five years has been, according to good authority, $210,000. I estimate the product for the year ending June 30, 1868, in spite of the brevity of the season, at $200,000, since the patient labor of the Chinese, of whom there are a considerable number working for themselves, has made up the deficiency of the season. They have produced not less than $75,000 during the year referred to. The product for the calendar year 1868 is practically the same as I have given, since the period of active operations fell wholly within 1869."


In 1869 the gold mining companies hired a hundred or so Chinese laborers; today they use a centrifuge.

I find myself rooting a little for the Chinese laborers. I'm sure they were watched closely but I hope they smuggled some good gold out for themselves.

Ponce
8th May 2011, 02:58 PM
Well, now I know what I will be doing this summer.......I know that I can make one of those "separators" and I already have the engine (13 hp) plus the other Honda engine with the water pump........probably wil make it about two feet OD and four feet long........

Cobalt
8th May 2011, 03:09 PM
I love watching stuff like that :)

Buster
8th May 2011, 10:19 PM
Thanks a lot, I ended up watching Utube videos all afternoon. :-[

gunDriller
9th May 2011, 07:35 AM
i found this info too. a little technical.

it talks about how gold particles separate from the rest of the slurry, but are impeded from separating as the particle size goes down and friction becomes more of a factor. even though the gold speck is heavier, it's basically "stuck in the mud".

i wonder if the centrifuge manufacturers respond by increasing their spin speed to help separate the smaller particles.


http://www.e-goldprospecting.com/html/gold_settling_velocity___centr.html

"The equation points out the importance of particle size in determining terminal velocity which occurs when drag and buoyancy forces balance out gravity. Initial settling velocity when drag forces can be neglected is independent of particle size, but can be reached rapidly for small particles. Free settling from zero initial velocity makes it almost virtually impossible to separate a fine and dense particle from a coarse, light one. Initially drag forces are negligible and the two particles accelerate at a rate dependent on their density alone. As the settling velocity increases, the drag forces increase proportionally, and very quickly reduce the acceleration rate of both particles more rapidly so for the fine heavy particle. Very soon, the velocity of the large light particle catches up to and then exceeds that of fine heavy.

If settling could be stopped at the exact time the two particles reach the same velocity, the difference in distance traveled would be in the range of few particles diameters.

Practically this means that very few separators operate in the free settling mode. The equipment try to do a separation that is based on size or a combination of size and density. To minimize the impact of particle size, feeds are sometimes narrowly sized. This is referred as size preparation.

Other aspect that gravimetric equipment consider is the particle-particle interaction with the double objective of maximizing the period of initial acceleration, which should follow a collision in which a particle is brought to a near complete stop, and making use of the ability that small particles have to settle between large ones (interstitial trickling), this can be done by operating at higher percent solids. As Spirals evolved over the past forty years, has made possible better operation with higher percent solids. It can be done by mechanically fostering interactions between particles. Jigs create a cyclical motion which is meant to create some initial acceleration and interstitial trickling for part of each cycle. Shaking Tabling equipment is meant to prevent much settling and bank on the differential action of wash water versus that of inertia and friction (between table deck and particles). For many years, this meant impractical and there was a mismatch between the need to go to a finer separation sizes, as ore bodies were getting leaner and liberation sizes finer and gravity separation which could not deal with particles below 100 µm very well."

JDRock
9th May 2011, 09:57 AM
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Ponce
9th May 2011, 11:23 AM
Gun Driller? >:( , that's why many people are not willing to try something new.....they only know the old technical stuff as to why something should not work instead of experimentin (as I do) to make it work your own way, who knows, maybe the one that I will make will even work better..........always have an open mind when doing anything and you just might find a loophole.