is it time to abandon ship?

[Large Sarge]

alright, by and large, the group here at GS-US is the most well informed, ahead of the pack, non-sheep group I know.


So I am just going to ask everyones opinion on Amerika today?

I guess my main concerns are the ongoing environmental soft kills (Gulf oil, and radiation)

The local news ran a video on the japanese nuclear thing, and showed this nice pristine pool, and the rods safely submerged, and then closed with "everything is going smoothly in japan"

Essentially a media blackout on both of those events, and the japanese thing is "fixable" if they had the will to do it.

The gulf oil thing is debateable. on fixing it(maybe a nuke would fix it)

add to these events the coming economic collapse, and currency collapse....

ok and the last variable, is the amount of "dumbed down americans"

I think the flouride is working to well for TPTB

anyway I guess I am wondering if its time to just bailout.

Maybe S. America? or Central America?

Doug Casey states "America was an idea, it was not a piece of real estate"

Anyone have any thoughts?

ideas?

etc

[Antonio]

http://projectcamelot.org/george_green.html

George Green recomends Ecuador, says you can rent a good house for 500$/mo or buy for like 50k. I`ve checked the prices and you can find a 1-bedroom appt in any city there for 300$/mo or buy for 30k.

[freespirit]

you also can purchase a lot on margarita island in venezuela for about $30,000

A good friend of mine did just that and is almost finished building. he has taken a couple of years to get to this point because he will work in canada for 8 months, then go there for the winter and build some more, then when the work picks up here in the spring, he flies back and starts making the money he needs for the next step...figures in another three years, he should be able to live down there permanently, and only come back to canada for the christmas holidays.

[sirgonzo420]

is it time to abandon ship?

Question ... Are you looking for another ship with fewer leaks or are you looking for dry land?

There is a rumor that dry land exists.

Some place it at Sark Island.



"Dry land's a myth!"

[Serpo]

Well radiation cloud may convince,this is ugly and when will it stop.......

http://enenews.com/nilu-ends-public-forecasts-map-show-large-radiation-clouds-canada-videos

[Ponce]

If I didn't have so much stuff here I would take off.....I am a prisoner of my own making :-\......I am also some what down and out after loosing my little farm in Argentina.

[Awoke]

you also can purchase a lot on margarita island in venezuela for about $30,000

A good friend of mine did just that and is almost finished building. he has taken a couple of years to get to this point because he will work in canada for 8 months, then go there for the winter and build some more, then when the work picks up here in the spring, he flies back and starts making the money he needs for the next step...figures in another three years, he should be able to live down there permanently, and only come back to canada for the christmas holidays.


He will lose his Canadian Citizen ship, if he cares. You need to spend a minumum amount of days in Canada to maintain your Citizenship. (I think it's around 120 days per year)


In regards to the OP, I think that your #1 focus should be on Countries that allow people to own firearms, and where you will have access to food and water without issue.

Fodd and water are obvious, but some might not agree that firearms are a priority. My logic that this is a GLOBAL conspiracy and no corner will go untouched in the end. So, while you may be escaping the inevitable rearing of the NWO beast's head in North America, it is only a matter of time before all other Countries are put under submission, so you might as well be able to protect yourself until it reaches that point. Just IMHO.

[Horn]

Doug Casey states "America was an idea, it was not a piece of real estate"

You know my feelings, as I'm already there.

[Ponce]

I know Horn, you want to die with your boots on :oo-->.......... me?, probably somewhere where they would not obey what the Amerericans tell them to do.......like Venezuela.

[iOWNme]

you also can purchase a lot on margarita island in venezuela for about $30,000

A good friend of mine did just that and is almost finished building. he has taken a couple of years to get to this point because he will work in canada for 8 months, then go there for the winter and build some more, then when the work picks up here in the spring, he flies back and starts making the money he needs for the next step...figures in another three years, he should be able to live down there permanently, and only come back to canada for the christmas holidays.


He will lose his Canadian Citizen ship, if he cares. You need to spend a minumum amount of days in Canada to maintain your Citizenship. (I think it's around 120 days per year)


In regards to the OP, I think that your #1 focus should be on Countries that allow people to own firearms, and where you will have access to food and water without issue.

Fodd and water are obvious, but some might not agree that firearms are a priority. My logic that this is a GLOBAL conspiracy and no corner will go untouched in the end. So, while you may be escaping the inevitable rearing of the NWO beast's head in North America, it is only a matter of time before all other Countries are put under submission, so you might as well be able to protect yourself until it reaches that point. Just IMHO.


Im with Awoke...

Any country that disarms you on the way in is a country that is under complete and total tyranny.

Slaves cant own guns or property.

IMO, Good luck solving your problems in a country that wont allow you to defend yourself from real criminals. (Like the Government of said country)

I agree, we do have some health concerns here in America. But my bottom line is this:

I would rather stay in America fighting until my last breath for individual Liberty, regardless of if i die from cancer when Im old. I am going to die from cancer most likely ANYWAY. I choose to stay and fight the good fight.

The current generations in America will decide in the near future, if the flame of Liberty will be extinguished for ever.

And it is good people like you Sarge, that we need to keep around!

[gunDriller]

alright, by and large, the group here at GS-US is the most well informed, ahead of the pack, non-sheep group I know.

why thank you ! :D i feel the same way.



So I am just going to ask everyones opinion on Amerika today?

oh my God, here we go.

let's mention a few good things - America has Sierra Mist (can't get that in Canada), Mug Root Beer, and Ice Cube gum with Xylitol.

my dentist actually prescribed the Xylitol gum.



I guess my main concerns are the ongoing environmental soft kills (Gulf oil, and radiation)

The local news ran a video on the japanese nuclear thing, and showed this nice pristine pool, and the rods safely submerged, and then closed with "everything is going smoothly in japan"

Essentially a media blackout on both of those events, and the japanese thing is "fixable" if they had the will to do it.

The gulf oil thing is debateable. on fixing it(maybe a nuke would fix it)

OK, so first we talk about the economy.

South America is relatively protected from the radiation from Fukushima.

However, they have their own environmental problems. For example, at one of the Barrick facilities in South America, they use 249 tons of cyanide to recover 1 ton of gold. What do you think they do with the cyanide ?

So due diligence is required when buying land in South America.

Same in Africa - Europe has been dumping their toxics off the shores of Somalia for decades. That's how the Somali pirates got started - just pissed-off fishermen defending their home fishing area.

In the US, because the Western world has by & large chosen to embrace techologies-that-pollute, and then to ship the manufacturing off-shore, well, for example, Clark Foam just shut down in 2005. They were the world's biggest supplier of surfboard blanks - HUGE, 1 million + blanks a year. In Irvine, until they shut down. That means less pollution in Irvine, more pollution outside the US.

I think if you can find land with a good well, you can escape much of the radiation by using well-water to grow your crops. Of course, that takes time, so a food stock that is Corexit-free and Radiation-free is necessary until you are self-sufficient food-wise.

That may also mean getting a UPS for your fridge, so that your food doesn't spoil if the power goes out. and/or a generator. especially if you got a freezer in the garage with 500 or 1000 pounds of deer in it.

In general I think it is possible to escape most of the radiation in the US. Your neighbors may end up thinking you're wierd. But they might already think you're wierd. ;D



add to these events the coming economic collapse, and currency collapse....

ok and the last variable, is the amount of "dumbed down americans"

I think the flouride is working to well for TPTB

anyway I guess I am wondering if its time to just bailout.

Maybe S. America? or Central America?

Doug Casey states "America was an idea, it was not a piece of real estate"

Anyone have any thoughts?

ideas?

etc

since you said, "etc", i have permission to mention the Rio contest. (Pro Surfing again). Kelly Slater went Superman during his warm-up today, check out the video -
http://aspwtrio.com.br/

... hard to find the exact link. he landed one of the highest airs ever, and that wasn't the only impressive surfing he did.


i think it's better to "stay & fight" in the US, in a state & town that have the best prospects for weathering the coming storm.

e.g. North Dakota is better than Louisiana, but North Dakota is cold, but their governor just told Obama to stuff his Obama-care.


if you choose to go expat, i suggest apprenticing to another expat, as a way of getting to know the lay of the land. e.g. seek out Cudabachi at
http://www.peakoil.com/

he is an American ex-pat with a big cattle ranch in Venezuela (more than 1000 acres.)

i don't think it's safe to just move to a South American country, if you are Caucasian, no matter how good your Spanish, without some major recon work and/or good luck.

also, if you buy land in South America, how do you know you have title ? how do you know the title will remain yours when their economy collapses ?

it's important to make sure that you don't end up being dinner, when everybody is starving.

[Horn]

I know Horn, you want to die with your boots on :oo-->.......... me?, probably somewhere where they would not obey what the Amerericans tell them to do.......like Venezuela.


Most countries just nod their head and continue doing what they were doing, anymore.

[Large Sarge]

appreciate all the replies,

I guess my biggest issue right now is the dumbed down, govt loving americans

who will throw away their liberty over the slightest pretense.

that is not going to change, until after the economic collapse. (and they realize the govt cannot take care of them)

the difference is that Argentina went through the collapse, and from reports down there, the natives hate the govt

same with uruguay

anyway after the collapse Americans will hate the govt also, but getting to that point is going to be slow and painful

your average american is still watching dancing with the stars

I think you can likely adapt to most/all of the health issues, its the culture/belief system that is FUBAR in America

people here think govt is the best thing since sliced bread

anytime they see a problem, they instinctively think (or say) "there ought to be a law against that"

they never look for voluntary, private and peaceful solutions....

govt is the only tool in the whole tool shed, and it fixes everything (healthcare, the economy, foreign affairs, etc)
Americans love and trust their govt.

until that changes, America is doomed

[Antonio]

http://humansarefree.com/2011/04/amazing-rich-russians-gave-up-money-and.html

1000s of rich Russians are giving up money and moving to Siberia.

[Hermie]

"...I would rather stay in America fighting until my last breath for individual Liberty, regardless of if I die from cancer when Im old.
I am going to die from cancer most likely ANYWAY.
I choose to stay and fight the good fight..."

That sounds right.
And when I find out that I'm going, I will take with me some of the ones who ruined it.

[osoab]

appreciate all the replies,

I guess my biggest issue right now is the dumbed down, govt loving americans

who will throw away their liberty over the slightest pretense.

that is not going to change, until after the economic collapse. (and they realize the govt cannot take care of them)

the difference is that Argentina went through the collapse, and from reports down there, the natives hate the govt

same with uruguay

anyway after the collapse Americans will hate the govt also, but getting to that point is going to be slow and painful

your average american is still watching dancing with the stars

I think you can likely adapt to most/all of the health issues, its the culture/belief system that is FUBAR in America

people here think govt is the best thing since sliced bread

anytime they see a problem, they instinctively think (or say) "there ought to be a law against that"

they never look for voluntary, private and peaceful solutions....

govt is the only tool in the whole tool shed, and it fixes everything (healthcare, the economy, foreign affairs, etc)
Americans love and trust their govt.

until that changes, America is doomed






I wouldn't use Argentina as a positive example. They banged pots for a week after having their pensions stolen, currency devalued, and banks closed. Then they went back to surviving. Seems like one side got the whole short end of the stick there.

LS, So where are you looking at? Capitol controls are in place now that would stop you from moving larger sums of moolah unless you are all physical and are heading by boat in the middle of the night.

Like was posted above, you won't be taking some or all of your guns, unless you are doing a midnight boat run once again.

The primary point you are missing is the local area you know and that knows you. So you head to Ecuador or Southern Mexico, even if you have 3 years left to set something up, who would have your back? It is one long journey back to the ones you could trust without question.

If USA falls, I don't see a whole lot of teary eyes South of the Border with the exception of the ruling class that has been buttered for the last 100 yrs or so.

Stick to where you are and near those that know you.

[Large Sarge]

I am unsure where I am heading amigos

but America was an idea, kind of like Rome was an idea....

Ideas can be reborn, anywhere, anytime.

I do not consider it desertion at all....

look around at your neighbors, coworkers, etc

These are the folks you are trying to reason with.

My Folks are still alive, and they are aware of all the stuff going on (9/11, chemtrails, nuclear poisoning, etc)

My Brother is a sheep

Had a family get together a few weeks ago, and he started screaming like a 4 year old when I brought up 9/11... (and he is an engineer)

I just said "you need to look at the evidence"

There is huge state of denial

My brother is not stupid, he is like so many other americans, they will not face reality....

Sadly that is a common occurrence

Most Days I feel like I am in a bad "B" movie

you cannot talk to anyone about anything, except the weather for a moment or 2....

thats the world we all live in.

try pointing out a chemtrail to a neighbor, or talking about the physical impossibility of 3 steel towers falling at free fall speed from kerosene,

you will get the "you have a third eye protruding from your forehead" look....

most of them are "fat, dumb, and happy"

[Horn]

Most Days I feel like I am in a bad "B" movie

you cannot talk to anyone about anything, except the weather for a moment or 2....

True, felt the same way with my sister.

The Osama deal has brought up some conversations out here recently.

Most all see straight through the bull, and will at least theorize on the whys.

Now about the non-photo release, this where I get to dazzle them with my Yankee Imperialist wit. ;)

[Serpo]

http://humansarefree.com/2011/04/amazing-rich-russians-gave-up-money-and.html

1000s of rich Russians are giving up money and moving to Siberia.


Thats interesting, am kind of thinking about opting out myself as am sick of the BS of competing as the older you get the more the eyes can open until what is the point of anything as with an evil empire in control it amounts to nought in some ways.

[Antonio]

http://humansarefree.com/2011/04/amazing-rich-russians-gave-up-money-and.html

1000s of rich Russians are giving up money and moving to Siberia.


Thats interesting, am kind of thinking about opting out myself as am sick of the BS of competing as the older you get the more the eyes can open until what is the point of anything as with an evil empire in control it amounts to nought in some ways.


If 20 GSUSers put up 50k each, we could live there like kings. One thing is certain, nobody starves in Siberia, it`s a gigantic pristine environment full of tasty things to hunt,fish and gather. I have 1/2 of Siberian peasant blood in me and it has been calling me since I was a kid.
PS. Russian language is extremely easy to learn to read, the grammar is another matter but you all already know how to say "vodka" so half the battle is already won ;D

[Horn]

but you all already know how to say "vodka" so half the battle is already won ;D


"wodka" no?

Siberia awaits...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2714/4306136044_6c9c1ec33c.jpg

[freespirit]

you also can purchase a lot on margarita island in venezuela for about $30,000

A good friend of mine did just that and is almost finished building. he has taken a couple of years to get to this point because he will work in canada for 8 months, then go there for the winter and build some more, then when the work picks up here in the spring, he flies back and starts making the money he needs for the next step...figures in another three years, he should be able to live down there permanently, and only come back to canada for the christmas holidays.


He will lose his Canadian Citizen ship, if he cares. You need to spend a minumum amount of days in Canada to maintain your Citizenship. (I think it's around 120 days per year)


In regards to the OP, I think that your #1 focus should be on Countries that allow people to own firearms, and where you will have access to food and water without issue.

Fodd and water are obvious, but some might not agree that firearms are a priority. My logic that this is a GLOBAL conspiracy and no corner will go untouched in the end. So, while you may be escaping the inevitable rearing of the NWO beast's head in North America, it is only a matter of time before all other Countries are put under submission, so you might as well be able to protect yourself until it reaches that point. Just IMHO.


he actually spends at least that much time in country every year, so far, but once he decides to retire i doubt it will matter to him

[bellevuebully]

A couple of comments for you Sarge:

First, a lot of your perception about the US has to do with where you live. We are centric by nature and tend to think that generally every place is like where we are. Maybe this does not apply to you. I don't know that. But I am sure there are some regions in the US (I'm thinking NW) that are Mayberry-like and would offer a fair bit of isolation.

Second, as has already been mentioned, and I've used this term before, the US is the leper with the most fingers. Firearms, familiar terrain, predictable weather, well inventoried, history of civilian cohesion. Not to mention you are among your own (for the most part and depending on where you are.

There are a lot of other things that could be pointed out, like the US's geographical resiliancy to invasion, attack.

But really, the bottom line is this planet is getting too small to run away from trouble. You can run but you can't hide. Imo, stand your ground, live with dignity among your fellow man, and humility towards God. We're all going to die eventually and this planet is going to pass away. The key is to look a little further down the road.

[solid]

Sarge,

I can really relate to your posts in this thread. I've decided, for myself, that perhaps leaving America for the unknown...is perhaps the most American thing we can do actually.

What I mean, is that American spirit, of taming the west, taking on adventure, the unknown...has been crushed. The folks I see around me, I have nothing in common with. Walking the line with rights taken away, not noticing a thing. Our culture has been turn into one of mass consumption with little effort, due to ease of credit and being able to finance anything. That and our government, is no longer American as well. We are a culture here of impressing other people.

Anywhere I may go in the future, I'm an American and I'm proud. Anywhere I may lay my head is home, and I'll take America with me...the true spirit of it.

I've got two years at most, and counting...I hear Chile is very nice. I'd like to see Costa Rica too, I see the sea and a whole world out there to explore. If I find place along the way, I don't want to leave...I don't plan too.

[Large Sarge]

Chile, argentina, Costa Rica, etc

nothing much is going to change in America, unfortunately.

remember all those retards hooting and hollering when Osama had been killed (for the 7th time)

thats the american culture of today, consume, watch tv, use credit cards, etc

maybe one of the real benefits of living in S. America, is that not every home has 2-3 televisions in it (for hypnotizing the masses)

maybe the local govts cannot afford to flouridate there water

etc

maybe those are some of the benefits

no americans I know are interested in liberty, the constitution, etc

[woodman]

I've got two years at most, and counting...I hear Chile is very nice. I'd like to see Costa Rica too, I see the sea and a whole world out there to explore. If I find place along the way, I don't want to leave...I don't plan too.


I have been thinking about Chile. Also Austrailia. I don't think there is hope for America. I talk to other guys on work sites and they are so stupid and brainwashed that I want to scream. I just bite my tongue and pretend I'm one of them. Mostly they are good people, just brainwashed fools. I am ready to go to another land, but I am not financially ready. I have spent alot of my savings tooling up for business and I must work a couple of years now to recoup it.

[Large Sarge]

no americans I know are interested in liberty, the constitution, etc
I know many of them. Not a single one has avoided jail time. What does that tell you?


they should have been watching dancing with the stars.... not reading and learning about the founding fathers....

[Cebu_4_2]

amerikan idling... or the popular show amerikan idling.. same shyt

Time to find us an island south of the Equator where we gentile can live and prosper.

[solid]

I have been thinking about Chile. Also Austrailia. I don't think there is hope for America. I talk to other guys on work sites and they are so stupid and brainwashed that I want to scream. I just bite my tongue and pretend I'm one of them. Mostly they are good people, just brainwashed fools. I am ready to go to another land, but I am not financially ready. I have spent alot of my savings tooling up for business and I must work a couple of years now to recoup it.


I recently met a British guy who mentioned Chile...I picked his brain about it in that short time we spoke. It sounds fascinating, it's basically a land island, surrounded by majestic mountains. It's terrain is very similar to California coast, great beaches, yet the further South you go the colder it gets. It really sounds like all the best of California, yet none of the worst.

Also stable economy, friendly people...beautiful women. ;D

I really think the problem with most brainwashed Americans is that they haven't traveled. You can't see America, what it's become..unless you step outside the country and view it from the outside. It completely changes your perspective. You really see how free a lot of other places are, and how constricted we've become. Of course, since most folks would rather watch the latest fashion trends...and dancing with the stars, to really notice.

Overseas, if all you have is a backpack and a free road ahead, you are an individual, people will try and get to know you. If all you have is a backpack and a free road ahead in America, you are bum and looked down upon.

[Book]

I wouldn't use Argentina as a positive example. They banged pots for a week after having their pensions stolen, currency devalued, and banks closed. Then they went back to surviving. Seems like one side got the whole short end of the stick there.

LS, So where are you looking at? Capitol controls are in place now that would stop you from moving larger sums of moolah unless you are all physical and are heading by boat in the middle of the night.

Like was posted above, you won't be taking some or all of your guns, unless you are doing a midnight boat run once again.

The primary point you are missing is the local area you know and that knows you. So you head to Ecuador or Southern Mexico, even if you have 3 years left to set something up, who would have your back? It is one long journey back to the ones you could trust without question.

If USA falls, I don't see a whole lot of teary eyes South of the Border with the exception of the ruling class that has been buttered for the last 100 yrs or so.

Stick to where you are and near those that know you.



Perfect response. osoab nailed it.

:) refugees are losers everywhere

[Horn]

:) refugees are losers everywhere


Apparently not a Mayflower descendent here fellas.

[General of Darkness]

I've resided that for the moment I'll keep doing what I'm doing, while I'm prepping. No place is going to be safe in the future when TSHTF, just be ready, this shit could blow up in 48 hours.

[Book]

:) refugees are losers everywhere


Apparently not a Mayflower descendent here fellas.



https://symonsez.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/scalp_edited.jpg?w=376&h=485

[solid]

:) refugees are losers everywhere


Right, any traveling man is a "loser". :oo-->

Typical brainwashed American response. Happiness is working 80 hours a week at a job you hate, to spend money on things you don't really want just to keep up with the Jones, and feed the banks greed. Because that is "success" and if you don't do that, you are a loser.

The point in life is just to be happy, which ever direction you may choose.

I celebrated my birthday a couple of nights ago. My Grandmother gave me a card. It says "Do not follow where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." That statement spoke to my soul.

[Large Sarge]

I love America, at least what used to be America.

I think it was abe lincoln, who said essentially "the only way america will fall is by suicide" (something close to that)

well, we are witnessing the suicide of America

there are no perfect solutions,

I think after the collapse, and americans go through the hardships, and learning, well america will be a good place to live again....

but its going to be a long painful lesson, and if given the opportunity "to sit that lesson out", well I think I will.

[Horn]

:) refugees are losers everywhere


Apparently not a Mayflower descendent here fellas.



https://symonsez.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/scalp_edited.jpg?w=376&h=485


Big pussy?

[osoab]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDd-GXkMrJs

[ximmy]

:) refugees are losers everywhere


Apparently not a Mayflower descendent here fellas.

what you talking crazy for... I'm a political refugee...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTXixkO47r8

[mrnhtbr2232]

The way I see it, the ship abandoned <b>us</b> - we've always been right here minding our own business. The government is not our country, our land is our country. In that vein, you could stay right where you are and know it is good unto itself - no need to flee, just a need to clean house.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

is it time to abandon ship?

Question ... Are you looking for another ship with fewer leaks or are you looking for dry land?

There is a rumor that dry land exists.

Some place it at Sark Island.


We seem to be lost at sea.


It's time to land the ship, turn it upside down, and forge a great hall.

[Horn]

no need to flee, just a need to clean house.


http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/members/2008/116-9/fumigate.jpg

[solid]

We seem to be lost at sea.


It's time to land the ship, turn it upside down, and forge a great hall.


It's time to set the sails. Living in America is like being on an unbalanced sailboat. You are fighting it the whole time, the feeling. It ain't right anymore, and you know it.

The key to sailing...is balancing the boat. You pick your course, raise sail, take all that around you..wind, current. Use those things to help you.

Trim the sails to course until you balance the boat. Set your main, ease the jib out. Once you get the boat balanced, and you are heading in the direction you want to go...nothing in life is sweeter. The boat heels, digs in and the ride, she'll just sail herself if you do it right. Freedom is stretching your wings, and sailing is the closest thing to true freedom I've ever seen.

[osoab]

NSFW in one part

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8kKsSGV6FU

[Book]

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/12/24/gal_revolucioncubana_boat.jpg

They risk their lives to come here. Millions of 'em.

[General of Darkness]

I'd like to add, WTSHTF, you ALWAYS have to remember the glass is half full. Let's get this party started already. ;D

[osoab]

I'd like to add, WTSHTF, you ALWAYS have to remember the glass is half full. Let's get this party started already. ;D


If I didn't know of you, I would hate to live on your street. :sun: :taunt:

[Antonio]

After the next false flag the crap we have now will be remembered as the good ole times.

[solid]

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/12/24/gal_revolucioncubana_boat.jpg

They risk their lives to come here. Millions of 'em.




Give it time, Book. Millions of us may be doing the same thing trying to escape FEMA camps in the future.

Maybe we can make a sign...."We took YOU, now it's your turn to take US." ;D

[Libertytree]

There's multiples of things to consider Sarge or anyone else that's seriously thinking about leaving the states. I felt the same way in 07, so did my best friend, so.. we went and scouted Costa Rica, found a place to start a business/live and got acquainted with some of the locals. We had the time and the money, off we went, he and his family and myself. It was one hell of a great feeling the day I flew out, a banner day in my life, I finally got to say a BIG FU to Uncle Sam and I had every intention to never return, live and die there. Even told my family goodbye, forever unless they came to visit me. Unfortunately or fortunantely? the biz aspect of the endeavor went south and we were just throwing good money after bad and came back after 6 months.

If I had to do over I wouldn't change a thing, it's one of the best things I ever did and I learned more in those 6 months there than I ever could have learned here, both good and bad. Hindsight is 20/20 though and and things are quite clearer having been there done that and here are some of my thoughts, opinions and facts that I learned or brought back with me.

Know the language as well as you know English, if not better. Not knowing it makes you a bigger mark than you already are and always will be, no matter how long you're there (with the exception of friends). You'll always be an American and sadly that's a mark against you off the git go with most people and because you're an American you are perceived as being rich, the evidence that you are rich lies in the fact that you are there if nothing else. If things go SHTF there, your ass is at the top of the shit list because you have more than probably 80% of everyone else and can probably afford to lose/be stolen from, your stuff/money. Start learning the laws there NOW and then hire the best lawyers there you can find! Go with as many people as possible, having someone to cover your back is priceless, plus someone needs to always be home or it will wind up empty. Learn their money system pronto!! If you don't then you're a double mark. Always keep a $5,10,20 US dollar on you, it will save you from a prison..or two 8) Learn the laws about citizenship and about how long you can stay in country before you have to exit and then come back (3-4 days generally) and realize it's a chore and a half to road trip every 90 days if you want to stay legal. If you can, go stay there for 3 months. Can you legally work? Do you have skills that might be useful to the area you're considering? Make no mistake, the larger towns/cities there have been bastardized by Amerika, they're shoving it down their throats and they're eating it up! Fast food, credit, credit, electronics and yes even a Walmart in San Jose,CR. Lots of folks there have tv and watch it regularly, all the same BS either in latin or subtitled. It's gonna cost you 2 or 3 times the money you think it will, better have deep pockets. You'll love the pharmacy, $10 is what they call a script and then you pay for what you want, BUT...take all the meds/personal items you can when you go. Forget you're an American and immerse yourself into their way of life, live as they do. The thing is if you can't work or become a citizen or marry (nother can of worms) it's hard to do because you'll always be the outsider. If you're really serious, start on this yesterday.

Personally though, as I've written before, about 3 months into it I really began to question myself, even though I really had it made, had almost everything I wanted really. What knawed on me was the thought that if TSHTF in the U.S I wouldn't be there to help my fellow countrymen when it got deep. I felt like shit over it. It fucked with me hard and was eatin' me alive. I felt like a coward at worst or a piss poor friend at best but this is just me and I'm not dispersing thoughts or judgements on anyone else that is an expat or that wants to be, it's just me. I found it to be intolerable because I didn't like myself.

Even if the business had succeeded I doubt I would have stayed in a permanent capacity and truthfully when people ask me why I came back I say...........

I came back to fight for what's ours.

[Libertytree]

Response part 2.

I came back in late 08, got my job back and started to rebuild all that I left behind. I came back with $120 and with whatever my luggage had in it, lol, now I'm the 3rd worlder vagabond but still in my mind I'm out of place but luckily I had a couple good friends here that helped me out bigtime. I've come a LOOOONG way since then, building up my meager preps, re-arming, re-stocking metal etc..etc.. But now I find myself at another crossroad. Do I make my stand here, somewhere less populated in Florida or do I go back home to the wilds of Kentucky? Or...??..?? I'm open to suggestions too.

I do know one thing, my stand will be made on American soil and it will probably end trying to protect the things we all here believe in, damn the consequences, I'll only run so far.

I can go solo no problem but if we had a group of freedom folks together I'd certainly toss my hat in.

[Horn]

The most important thing I've learned is to not have all your eggs in one basket, or anything you're capable of should be made use of to increase your position. The other is to be diligent in networking, if you need to produce you'll need to keep all your lines open & available, even if it seems like a dead end, it may eventually become another toe hold in the end.

I'm more concerned about shtf in U.S. than here. As I've mentioned before, I feel less threatened here than in most of the U.S. even though I've been in more tight spots here than there (eventually learning the ropes of the ring) keep your eyes down range.

If you're an outsider, you will be is my experience. Most people that I find are excited to try & use their English on me, than i return with my truck driver Spanish pronounced well. Now that I've been here awhile, I have some peace of mind that the options are more, if I want to return to the U.S. its still there... if you've got the freedom use it, much the rest of the world doesn't.

[gunDriller]

one thought is to find property within a few miles of the coast, facing west, on the South America or African continent.

e.g. Morocco or Chile.

that way when it's blazing hot in the summer, you will still get that fog rolling in around 4 PM, like in some parts of SoCal.

one of those simple pleasures.


it's better to be a cannibaler, than a cannibalee. :o i think.

[sirgonzo420]

it's better to be a cannibaler, than a cannibalee. :o i think.


It's even better to be a cannabiseur!

[General of Darkness]

it's better to be a cannibaler, than a cannibalee. :o i think.


It's even better to be a cannabiseur!


Agreed

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[tater]

I reckon I'll hang out close to taterville. Even if the people I know are hung up on American Idle,
I understand their hangup. I'm familiar with their desires even though they're not my desires.
Use this familiarity to your advantage. With a little thought one can make a better informed decision
on who you can turn to in your hour of need or whom to help in their hr of need. I admit there aren't
too many I would depend on unconditionally but there is no one anywhere else that I could make an
informed decision on. Hell, I don't even speak the language.

My boys, my dogs and a few other siblings would put up a pretty formidable defense against a random
zombie attack. A concerted LE or military action and I'm afraid we would fare no better than the
Waco folk but who would? I would rather lay low and get by anyway. Hope for the best and prepare for
the worst as best you can and I'll do that where I speak the lingo and have a better handle on the
nuances. When in Rome...and this Rome to me.

Woodsman and Micksilver are my target neighbors if I absolutely must move ;) I'll bring supplies...

[Horn]

Choice is an illusion created between those with power for those without. ...

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[solid]

Choice is an illusion created between those with power for those without. ...

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Off topic, but Lizano salsa is fantastic. Hard to find here without special ordering it. Rice, black beans, and chicken...with a bunch of lizano on it, simple meal but rocks.

I found you can order some here..

http://www.costaricaproducts.com/lizano/?gclid=CIeysY605agCFUkZQgodqjKlEQ

[Shami-Amourae]

Is it possible to buy our own land and start our own country? I'm not talking about a micronation, I'm saying go to some poor as nation and bribe enough politicians to give up a large chunk of land, then make your own nation. Couldn't this be done?

[Horn]

Is it possible to buy our own land and start our own country? I'm not talking about a micronation, I'm saying go to some poor as nation and bribe enough politicians to give up a large chunk of land, then make your own nation. Couldn't this be done?


Do you know the upper echelons of the IMF...?

[gunDriller]

if given the opportunity "to sit that lesson out", well I think I will.

Well, at least you are thinking along the lines of terrorizing a foreign entity. Ever consider what hoards of bankrupt Californians have to contribute to other states that have done quite well without them for quite some time? Yet this particular group thinks they can pack up and leave their nest after they have filled it with manure leaving the mess for others (who will most probably be of latin descent) to clean up rather than staying the course and cleaning it up themselves.


California isn't quite as bankrupt as the state#'s show.

Calif. contributes way more to the US in taxes than they get back from the federal government.

it's a big #, not sure exactly how it compares to the state deficit.

if they decided to even it out - i wonder if movements like that, along with independent gestures like the North Dakota governor telling Obama to stick Obamacare up his backside, will be part of the natural disintegration of the United States.