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Large Sarge
13th May 2011, 06:07 PM
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/05/11/gordon-duff-why-gun-ownership-doesnt-help/

AMERICA DISARMED…A CLOSET FULL OF SHOTGUNS AND A MIND FULL OF LIES….

By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor

Every couple of hours I get an email, one I track down to a Washington DC law firm tied to big pharma, the radiation lobby or Wall Street, telling me a story about Barak Obama and gun seizure. Snopes.com always rats them out, total lies. That doesn’t stop those who send them out, they don’t care.

I am a gun owner, learned to shoot, pistols, rifles, bow, long before I joined the Marine Corps in 1968. Unlike Mr’s Trump and Bush (Gingrich and Cheney and hundreds others like them), we Detroit kids knew how to dodge the draft. We joined the Marines. I don’t hunt, just a bit of target shooting and restoration work. Been a gun smith for decades and get tremendous pleasure out of restoring abused weapons. Guns have character. Gun owners, now there’s another breed entirely.

America is at war and I do my best to support President Obama. I have been waiting two years now for him to pull the troops out of Afghanistan like he promised. My patience is wearing a bit thin. Last week, you remember, the “bin Laden” thing, that was a bit much for me.

I think bin Laden has been dead for years. After a week of wives and children on TV, a phony diary showing up, videos of one phony bin Laden watching another phony bin Laden on television and the lies, one after another, I am simply ready to throw up my hands. This is too stupid to even deal with but at least Obama didn’t kill thousands of people like Bush did.

Oh, I wasn’t supposed to say that. I am a gun owner and gun owners believe what they see on TV. Not only that, I am a veteran to boot, you can wave a flag at me and kick me in the pants and I will salute and say “thank you.”

I just can’t figure Obama out. There is no evidence that he is anti-gun, not a single bit. That’s wild conspiracy theory, preying on the dimwits and dullards. “Everybody knows that!”

But now, everybody loves him. Problem is, that even if bin Laden hadn’t been dead for a decade, something we have so many confirmations that it may actually be true, Obama is now a proven liar.

I say that reluctantly.

As of today, the United States Department of Justice has never been able to establish any connection between Osama bin Laden and the 9/11 attacks. This is the official position of the US government. “Bin Laden didn’t do it, we can’t prove it.” In fact, there is no proof that Osama bin Laden ever committed a crime of any kind. Charges tying him to bombings in Africa back in the 90s are based on conspiracy theory and wild conjecture. I am not saying that a military tribunal won’t convict someone without evidence. Just ask one of the 25 million Americans who have been convicted of crimes or the 2 plus million who are in prison.

Then look at all the people who belong in prison who go to work every day, free as birds. I am talking about our government of course.

So, if Obama lied when he said bin Laden was responsible for 9/11, and, according to public record, what President Obama said is a lie, then did he lie about the rest too? Does he even know?

I have the rare privilege of working with people who were in government during the Clinton and Bush administrations, FBI, CIA, State Department and military. Some, like the CIA’s Susan Lindauer, report that everyone in the government knew that the World Trade Center would be attacked with airliners. Susan actually saw to it that the president was informed. Look up her story online.

Be afraid.

She isn’t the only one, most in government knew of the 9/11 plans and a select few were privy to the fact that these weren’t terrorist attacks at all.

I have spoken with them too.

Back to gun owners. Why do gun owners only worry about keeping their guns? Worse than that, why are “many” gun owners such conspiracy nuts that they can be duped to sending cash to the NRA based on phony email alerts that are filled with fabrications?

My problem is that the folks who send out the alerts seem to be the same ones we have to worry about, in fact, they are the ones that make owning guns seem like something pretty smart to do. So, what we have ended up with is a nation of nutters armed to the teeth who had their country and their freedoms, not to speak of their homes, their jobs and their money, taken from them while they were looking the other way.

If it ever came down to American having to fight to keep their freedoms or defend the constitution or even protect the country from foreign invasion, our gun owners are very likely to be on the wrong side. All you have to do is send them emails telling them the North Koreans are here to help Wall Street hunt down the “liberal elites” and we get “Red Dawn in reverse.”

Well, I got one of those emails that I enjoy that I am going to pass on. This is a facebook page that I would like gun owners to take a moment or two with.

FACEBOOK/9/11 For Dummies

What I don’t want anymore is a gun owner or veteran or American patriot to be an embarrassment. It ain’t about guns. The most powerful weapon in the world is a well oiled mind.

If you don’t have one, go out and get one today!

Eyebone
14th May 2011, 07:55 AM
What is the acronym?

Agitprop?Agitprop ( /ˈædʒɪtprɒp/; from Russian: агитпроп [ɐɡʲɪtˈprop]) is derived from agitation and propaganda.[1] The term originated in Soviet Russia (the future USSR), where the term was a shortened form of отдел агитации и пропаганды (otdel agitatsii i propagandy), i.e., Department for Agitation and Propaganda, which was part of the Central and regional committees of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. The department was later renamed Ideological Department.



Cointelpro? COINTELPRO (an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program) was a series of covert, and often illegal, projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at investigating and disrupting dissident political organizations within the United States.

This had to be written by some low level operative, the contradictions are glaring.

Large Sarge
14th May 2011, 08:05 AM
What is the acronym?

Agitprop?Agitprop ( /ˈædʒɪtprɒp/; from Russian: агитпроп [ɐɡʲɪtˈprop]) is derived from agitation and propaganda.[1] The term originated in Soviet Russia (the future USSR), where the term was a shortened form of отдел агитации и пропаганды (otdel agitatsii i propagandy), i.e., Department for Agitation and Propaganda, which was part of the Central and regional committees of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. The department was later renamed Ideological Department.



Cointelpro? COINTELPRO (an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program) was a series of covert, and often illegal, projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at investigating and disrupting dissident political organizations within the United States.

This had to be written by some low level operative, the contradictions are glaring.




I do not think so personally, but I am open to the possibility

I have yet to see Gordon Duff spouting any lies or nonsense

and his accounts of being a vietnam vet, and the treatment he received when he got home are pretty accurate (especially the treatment from veterans affairs)

(note I am desert storm vet)
I went through the whole boondoggle of the V.A. also, so I can relate

in my book Gordon Duff is ok

DBS interviewed him, one of the better interviews DBS has done....

http://iamthewitness.com/audio/TFC.SMITH.DUFF.19.9.10.mp3

mrnhtbr2232
14th May 2011, 08:31 AM
1. Print article.
2. Line birdcage.
3. Maintain awareness that authors who support the lawn jockey in chief are agent provocateurs.

..."America is at war and I do my best to support President Obama"

I've seen more impressive content pushed out of a mare's ass. Instead of defending Gordon Duff, perhaps you should be looking into how long it took to build his prestige and position and who his facilitators are. Mixing truth with lies is not truth. Either you are absolute or you are not being honest. Because the world is too complicated anymore most people get tired of trying to ferret out disinformation that bombards us day after day. This article is no exception.

Large Sarge
14th May 2011, 08:40 AM
America is at war and I do my best to support President Obama. I have been waiting two years now for him to pull the troops out of Afghanistan like he promised. My patience is wearing a bit thin. Last


at least take the full intent, you want to cherry pick some statement, out of context.

Large Sarge
14th May 2011, 08:44 AM
As of today, the United States Department of Justice has never been able to establish any connection between Osama bin Laden and the 9/11 attacks. This is the official position of the US government. “Bin Laden didn’t do it, we can’t prove it.” In fact, there is no proof that Osama bin Laden ever committed a crime of any kind. Charges tying him to bombings in Africa back in the 90s are based on conspiracy theory and wild conjecture. I am not saying that a military tribunal won’t convict someone without evidence. Just ask one of the 25 million Americans who have been convicted of crimes or the 2 plus million who are in prison.

Then look at all the people who belong in prison who go to work every day, free as birds. I am talking about our government of course.So, if Obama lied when he said bin Laden was responsible for 9/11, and, according to public record, what President Obama said is a lie, then did he lie about the rest too? Does he even know?


What I don’t want anymore is a gun owner or veteran or American patriot to be an embarrassment. It ain’t about guns. The most powerful weapon in the world is a well oiled mind.
If you don’t have one, go out and get one today!

Large Sarge
14th May 2011, 08:49 AM
I think gordon duff is sincere

He had an article a short while back, it was kind of funny (in a tragic sense), "imaginary terrorists and real radioactive fallout are hitting america"

"idiocracy"

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/04/16/gordon-duff-idiocracy-just-because-bush-is-gone-doesnt-mean-you-still-arent-stupid/

Now it’s my turn. I am telling you to be afraid, not of imaginary terrorists or even the very real radiation that has already begun poisoning America, a deadly menace spewing from Japan. America’s real enemy has always been homegrown. Lincoln and FDR warned about it, Kennedy’s were killed over it. Our biggest enemy is ignorance, fed by fear, race hatred, class envy, regionalism but with a new twist

Ponce
14th May 2011, 08:52 AM
If you don't own a gun you then should read "Gun For Dummy's"......if there is one.

First post of the day.........good morning to one and all.

Eyebone
14th May 2011, 09:00 AM
Ok, I don't know the fellow and have never read anything by him.

This jumped out at me.

I think bin Laden has been dead for years. After a week of wives and children on TV, a phony diary showing up, videos of one phony bin Laden watching another phony bin Laden on television and the lies, one after another, I am simply ready to throw up my hands. This is too stupid to even deal with but

at least Obama didn’t kill thousands of people like Bush did. (here he throws in this gratuitous lie). can we say hundreds working on thousands?

Oh, I wasn’t supposed to say that. I am a gun owner and gun owners believe what they see on TV.

Does this sound like a true statement? Gun owners are not the most likely to believe everything they see on the tube.

Not only that, I am a veteran to boot, you can wave a flag at me and kick me in the pants and I will salute and say “thank you.”

Lots of us are veterans.

Large Sarge
14th May 2011, 11:29 AM
I am friends/e-mail buddies with a guy who researched/writes some articles for www.rense.com

my friend writes to veterans today on occasion, gives them data, etc

they seem pretty conservative on putting something out there, like the radiation thing.

here at GS-US we were way out in front on that one

the veterans today group (from replies to my friend), was "waiting for more data" for awhile

thats all I have really found on them....

thats not a bad thing, just very cautious

mrnhtbr2232
14th May 2011, 04:15 PM
America is at war and I do my best to support President Obama. I have been waiting two years now for him to pull the troops out of Afghanistan like he promised. My patience is wearing a bit thin. Last


at least take the full intent, you want to cherry pick some statement, out of context.




Cherry-picking out of context? Like I said, mixing truth with lies is not truth. Much of what he says *is* true. But that does not change the suspicious possibility he is doing it intentionally to blend in subterfuge. I realize you did not write the article Sarge, and I am not aiming my comments at you personally. But the military will always follow orders which is why they are not the defenders of liberty they think they are. I selected that specific comment for its obvious contradictions: first, to point out that the war in Afghanistan is not, in any way, necessary except to the intelligence and corporate engineers running it, and second that Duff would come out and say he supports Obama, which speaks for itself. I don't think Duff's assertion he is waiting for Obama to honor a promise is anything but naivete at best and disinformation at worst. Obama cannot honor anything except his masters. If Duff does not know this, then anything else he contributes comes with the understanding he is compromised. DYODD. My replies are my opinion, and I'm sticking to them.

Gaillo
14th May 2011, 04:25 PM
The guy shill who wrote that article is a TOTAL tool!
Assuming he actually takes himself seriously, he'd have to be COMPLETELY asleep if he believes that Obama (or any of the rest of the globalist puppets...) doesn't have an anti-gun agenda!
As for U.S. gun owners being on the "wrong side" in a battle for the constitution and constitutional rights? He's obviously referring to the CORPORATE constitution, not the constitution our forefathers fought and died for!

Large Sarge
14th May 2011, 05:29 PM
a quick search shows Obama is definitely anti-gun

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_obama.html

I will write Mr. Duff

see if he is willing to retract his comments, and admit he was mistaken....