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G2Rad
16th May 2011, 06:35 PM
Here is one of sneaky "teachings" of currend age:


There is no final authority but God.

Therefore, since God is a Spirit, there is no final authority that can be seen, heard, read, felt, or handled.

Therefore, since all books are material, there is no book on this earth that is the final and absolute authority on what is right and what is wrong, what constitutes truth and what constitutes error.

There was a series of writings one time which, if they had all been put into a BOOK as soon as they were written the first time, WOULD HAVE constituted an infallible and final authority by which to judge truth and error.

However, this series of writings was lost, and the God who inspired them was unable to preserve their content through Bible-believing Christians at Antioch (Syria), where the first Bible teachers were (Acts 13:1), and where the first missionary trip originated (Acts 13:1-52), and where the word “Christian” originated (Acts 11:26).

So God chose to ALMOST preserve them through Gnostics and philosophers from Alexandria, Egypt, even though God called His Son OUT of Egypt (Matthew 2), Jacob OUT of Egypt (Genesis 49), Israel OUT of Egypt (Exodus 15), and Joseph’s bones OUT of Egypt (Exodus 13).

So there are two streams of Bibles. The most accurate—though, of course, there is no final, absolute authority for determining truth and error; it is a matter of “preference”—are the Egyptian translations from Alexandria, Egypt, which are “almost the originals,” although
not quite.

The most inaccurate translations were those that brought about the German Reformation (Luther, Zwingli, Boehler, Zinzendorf, Spener, et al.) and the worldwide missionary movement of the English-speaking people: the Bible that Sunday, Torrey, Moody, Finney, Spurgeon, Whitefield, Wesley, and Chapman used.

But we can “tolerate” these . After all, since there is NO ABSOLUTE AND FINAL AUTHORITY that anyone can read, teach, preach, or handle, the
whole thing is a matter of “PREFERENCE.” You may prefer what you prefer, and we will prefer what we prefer. Let us live in peace, and if
we cannot agree on anything or everything, let us all agree on one thing: THERE IS NO FINAL, ABSOLUTE, WRITTEN AUTHORITY
OF GOD ANYWHERE ON THIS EARTH.

bellevuebully
17th May 2011, 07:17 PM
Here is one of sneaky "teachings" of currend age:




Key words being "one of". Thanks.

silver solution
20th May 2011, 12:20 AM
The message the Bible is to teach was preserved.

StreetsOfGold
20th May 2011, 11:47 AM
The message the Bible is to teach was preserved.



But God SAID he would preserve his WORDS not his "message"

Matt. 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mark 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Psalm 12:7 Thou shalt keep them (the words), O LORD, thou shalt preserve them (the words) from this generation for ever.

them is an antecedent for the words, I say this since Bible correctors who insist on being the final authority instead of the book like to claim that the them in verse 7 is a reference to Israel, which of course flys in the face of grammerical structure of the verse before it.

silver solution
20th May 2011, 05:32 PM
The message the Bible is to teach was preserved.



But God SAID he would preserve his WORDS not his "message"

Matt. 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mark 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Psalm 12:7 Thou shalt keep them (the words), O LORD, thou shalt preserve them (the words) from this generation for ever.

them is an antecedent for the words, I say this since Bible correctors who insist on being the final authority instead of the book like to claim that the them in verse 7 is a reference to Israel, which of course flys in the face of grammerical structure of the verse before it.
Word means Gods Law. The Law is intack in the Bible.

G2Rad
21st May 2011, 01:44 PM
The message the Bible is to teach was preserved.



But God SAID he would preserve his WORDS not his "message"

Matt. 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mark 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Psalm 12:7 Thou shalt keep them (the words), O LORD, thou shalt preserve them (the words) from this generation for ever.

them is an antecedent for the words, I say this since Bible correctors who insist on being the final authority instead of the book like to claim that the them in verse 7 is a reference to Israel, which of course flys in the face of grammerical structure of the verse before it.
Word means Gods Law. The Law is intack in the Bible.


Oh, I thought word means ...... word.

Jazkal
21st May 2011, 04:50 PM
There is a scientific science called 'Textual Criticism'. It seems to me by the conversation in this thread, no one has any idea of the field or what it can 'prove'.


EDIT:

Adding this link:
http://www.normangeisler.net/percent-accuracy-nt.html

StreetsOfGold
21st May 2011, 06:10 PM
There is a scientific science called 'Textual Criticism'. It seems to me by the conversation in this thread, no one has any idea of the field or what it can 'prove'.

I am familiar with Textual Criticism and these two occultists Westcott and Hort mentioned at your supplied link were the culprits and authors of the underlying text from which EVERY modern English Bible comes from. Every one is these is Satanic and is in essence, a Roman Catholic Bible (minus the apocrypha)

I hated studying Textual Criticism years ago and I was bored by it, but I do understand the principles of it and attest to the the King James Bible as being the perfect preserved Words of God for English (the universal language of the world)

For anyone wishing a brief synopsis of the 2 text types and what they became watch this video (while you still can) 6 parts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoFiGBsk4R4

Jazkal
21st May 2011, 08:53 PM
First, let me say, I wasn't referring to your posts. And I agree with you on Westcott and Hort, but that doesn't mean that Textual Criticism is invalid, as it still works fine once you remove the forgeries.

However....



and attest to the the King James Bible as being the perfect preserved Words of God for English

Cool, I'm glad you can attest to this for us. Can you be more specific, and tell us which version of the KJV you say is the 'perfect preserved Words'?

I only ask because there have been so many different printings, I want to make sure we know which one is the correct one.

So please do tell.


1611
Two editions of the whole Bible are recognized as having been produced in 1611, which may be distinguished by their rendering of Ruth 3:15; the first edition reading "he went into the city", where the second reads "she went into the city."


1760
By the mid-18th Century the wide variation in the various modernized printed texts of the Authorized Version, combined with the notorious accumulation of misprints, had reached the proportion of a scandal, and the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge both sought to produce an updated standard text. First of the two was the Cambridge edition of 1760, the culmination of twenty-years work by Francis Sawyer Parris,[87] who died in May of that year. This 1760 edition was reprinted without change in 1762 (Herbert #1142) and in John Baskerville's fine folio edition of 1763


1769 (included the Apocrypha)
The 1769 Oxford edition, edited by Benjamin Blayney (Herbert #1196), though with comparatively few changes from the 1760 edition


1833
a scrupulous original-spelling, page-for-page, and line-for-line reprint of the 1611 edition (including all chapter headings, marginalia, and original italicization, but with Roman type substituted for the black letter of the original), published by Oxford in 1833


1873
Another important exception was the 1873 Cambridge Paragraph Bible, thoroughly revised, modernised and re-edited by F. H. A. Scrivener, who for the first time consistently identified the source texts underlying the 1611 translation and its marginal notes.[96] Scrivener, however – as Blayney had done – did adopt revised readings where he considered the judgement of the 1611 translators had been faulty


2005
Cambridge University Press released its New Cambridge Paragraph Bible with Apocrypha, edited by David Norton, which modernized Scrivener's spelling again to present-day standards and introduced quotation marks, while restoring the 1611 text, so far as possible, to the wording intended by its translators, especially in the light of the rediscovery of some of their working documents.


And this is just a quick scan of the internet, I wouldn't doubt there was more.

So please, which one is the 'True' word of God, and which are 'False'?

And if I can show you ONE error in that version of the KJV, does that prove it is false?

silver solution
28th May 2011, 04:24 PM
The message the Bible is to teach was preserved.


But God SAID he would preserve his WORDS not his "message"

Matt. 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mark 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Psalm 12:7 Thou shalt keep them (the words), O LORD, thou shalt preserve them (the words) from this generation for ever.

them is an antecedent for the words, I say this since Bible correctors who insist on being the final authority instead of the book like to claim that the them in verse 7 is a reference to Israel, which of course flys in the face of grammerical structure of the verse before it.
Word means Gods Law. The Law is intack in the Bible.


Oh, I thought word means ...... word.
Not allways.

4:1 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the Statutes and unto the Judgments, which I teach you, for to DO [them], that ye may LIVE, and go in and possess the land which the "I AM" God of your fathers giveth you.
4:2 Ye shall not ADD unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the Commandments of the "I AM" your God which I COMMAND you.

You shall not add to the Law of God or diminish the Law of God.