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Serpo
16th May 2011, 10:07 PM
Who Will Take the Radioactive
Rods From Fukushima?
By Yoichi Shimatsu
Exclusive to Rense.com
Former Editor of the Japan Times Weekly
A Hong Kong-Based Environmental Writer
5-15-11
The decommissioning of the Fukushima 1 nuclear plant is delayed by a single problem: Where to dispose of the uranium fuel rods? Many of those rods are extremely radioactive and partially melted, and some contain highly lethal plutonium.

Besides the fissile fuel inside the plant's six reactors, more than 7 tons of spent rods have to be removed to a permanent storage site before workers can bury the Fukushima facility under concrete. The rods cannot be permanently stored in Japan because the country's new waste storage centers on the northeast tip of Honshu are built on unsuitable land. The floors of the Rokkasho reprocessing facility and Mutsu storage unit are cracked from uneven sinking into the boggy soil.

Entombment of the rods inside the Fukushima 1 reactors carries enormous risks because the footing of landfill cannot support the weight of the fuel rods in addition to the reactors and cooling water inside the planned concrete containment walls. The less reactive spent fuel would have to be kept inside air-cooled dry casks. The powerful earthquakes that frequently strike the Tohoku region will eventually undermine the foundations, causing radioactive wastewater to pour unstoppably into the Pacific Ocean. The rods must therefore go to another country.

American Bad Faith

Under the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), signed by Japan in 1970, Washington's negotiators stipulated that used nuclear fuel from Japanese reactors must by law be shipped to the United States for storage or reprocessing to prevent the development of an atomic bomb. Washington has been unable to fulfill its treaty obligations to Tokyo due to the public outcry against the proposed Yucca Mountain storage facility near Las Vegas.

A panel convened by the Obama administration has just recommended the set up of a network of storage sites across the United States, a controversy certain to revive the anti-nuclear sentiments during the upcoming election campaign. The American nuclear industry has its own stockpile of more than 60,000 tons of spent fuel - not counting waste from reactors used for military and research purposes - leaving no space for Fukushima's rods inside the Nevada disposal site, if indeed it is ever opened.

To Continental Asia

The Tokyo Electric Power Company (Tepco) has allocated 1 trillion yen ($12 billion) in funds for nuclear waste disposal. Areva, the French nuclear monopoly, has teamed up with Tepco to find an overseas storage site. So far, the Tepco-Areva team have quietly contacted three Asian countries - Kazakhstan, China and Mongolia -- to set up a center for "reprocessing", a euphemism for nuclear dump site.

Among the threesome, China was the top choice for the Japanese nuclear establishment, which has confidence in Beijing's ability to safeguard nuclear secrets from its citizenry and even from the top leaders. Japan's space agency, which keeps 24-hour satellite observation over every nuclear-related facility in China, possesses the entire record of radiation leaks there. Since Beijing withholds this sort of data from the public, the Japanese side felt it had the necessary leverage in talks with Chinese nuclear officials.

Though the nuclear-sector bureaucrats were initially eager to receive bundles of yen, the proposal was blown away by the salt craze that swept over China. Within a couple of weeks of the Fukushima meltdowns, millions of shoppers emptied supermarket shelves on rumors that iodized salt could prevent radiation-caused thyroid cancer. The Chinese public is rightfully fearful of health-related scandals after discoveries of melamine in milk, growth hormones in pork, pesticides in vegetables, antibiotics in fish and now radioactive fallout over farmland.

A nuclear disposal deal would require trucks loaded with radioactive cargo to roll through a densely populated port, perhaps Tianjin or Ningbo, in the dead of night. There is no way that secret shipments wouldn't be spotted by locals with smart phones, triggering a mass exodus from every city, town and village along the route to the dumping grounds in China's far west. Thus, the skittishness of the ordinary Chinese citizen knocked out the easiest of nefarious plans.

Principle of Industrial Recovery

A more logical choice for overseas storage is in the sparsely populated countries that supply uranium ore to Japan, particularly Australia and Canada. As exporters of uranium, Canberra and Ottawa are ultimately responsible for storage of the nuclear waste under the legal principle of industrial recovery.

The practice of industrial recovery is already well-established in the consumer electronics and household appliances sectors where manufacturers are required by an increasing number of countries to take back and recycle used television sets, computers and refrigerators.

Under the principle, uranium mining giants like Rio Tinto and CAMECO would be required to take back depleted uranium. The cost of waste storage would then be factored into the export price for uranium ore. The added cost is passed along to utility companies and ultimately the consumer through a higher electricity rate. If the market refuses to bear the higher price for uranium as compared with other fuels, then nuclear power will go the way of the steam engine.

Australian and Canadian politicians are bound to opportunistically oppose the return of depleted uranium since any shipments from Fukushima would be met by a massive turnout of "not-in-my-backyard" protesters. The only way for Tokyo to convince the local politicos to go along quietly is by threatening to publish an online list of the bribe-takers in parliament who had earlier backed uranium mining on behalf of the Japanese interests.

Nuclear's Cost-Efficiency

The question then arise whether nuclear power, when long-term storage fees are included, is competitive with investment in renewable energy such as wind, solar, hydro and tidal resources. Renewable energy probably has the edge since they don't create waste. Natural gas remains the undisputed price beater wherever it is available in abundance. In a free market without hidden subsidies, nuclear is probably doomed.

In a lapse of professionalism, the International Atomic Energy Commission (IAEA) has never seriously addressed nuclear-waste disposal as an industrywide issue. Based on the ration of spent rods to reactor fuel inside U.S. nuclear facilities, there are close to 200,000 metric tons of high-level nuclear waste at the 453 civilian nuclear-energy plants worldwide. Yet not a single permanent storage site has ever been opened anywhere.

The Fukushima 1 dilemma shows that the issues of cost-efficiency and technological viability can no longer be deferred or ignored. Ratings agencies report that Tepco's outstanding debt has soared beyond $90 billion, meaning that it cannot cover future costs of storing spent rods from its Kashiwazaki and Fukushima 2 nuclear plants. The Japanese government's debt has soared to 200 percent of GDP. Neither entity can afford the rising cost of nuclear power.

The inability of Tepco or the government to pay for nuclear waste disposal puts the financial liability squarely on its partner companies and suppliers, including GE, Toshiba, Hitachi, Kajima Construction and especially the sources of the uranium, CAMECO and Rio Tinto and the governments of Canada and Australia. A fundamental rule of both capitalism and civil law is that somebody has to pay.

Last Stop

Since Australia and Canada aren't in any hurry to take back the radioactive leftovers, that leaves Japan and treaty-partner United States with only one option for quick disposal- Mongolia.

Ulan Bator accepts open-pit mining for coal and copper, which are nothing but gigantic toxic sites, so why not take the melted-down nuclear rods? Its GDP, ranked 136 among the world's economies, is estimated to be $5.8 billion in 2010. Thus, $12 billion is an unimaginable sum for one more hole in the ground.

Not that Mongolia would get the entirety of the budget, since the nuclear cargo would have to transit through the Russian Far East. Unlike the health-conscious Chinese, the population of Nakhodka or Vladivostok are used to playing fast-and-loose with radioactive materials and vodka.

Even if the mafia that runs the Russian transport industry were to demand a disproportionate cut, Mongolia's 3 million inhabitants would be overjoyed at gaining about $2,000 each, more than the average annual income, that is if the money is divided evenly after the costs of building the dump.

Realistically, the Mongolian people are unlikely to receive a penny, since the money will go into a trust fund for maintenance costs. That's because $12 billion spread over the half-life of uranium - 700 million years - is equivalent to $17 in annual rent. That doesn't even cover kibble bits for the watchdog on duty, much less the cooling system. Not that anyone will be counting since by the time uranium decays to a safe level, fossils will be the sole remnant of human life on Earth.

Illusory, shortsighted greed will surely triumph in Mongolia, and that leaves a question of moral accountability for the rest of us. Will the world community feel remorse for dumping its nuclear mess onto an ancient culture that invented boiled mutton, fermented mare's milk and Genghis Khan? For guilt-ridden diplomats from Tokyo and Washington wheedling the dirty deal in Ulan Bator, here's the rebuttal: Did the national hero, the Great Khan, ever shed any tears or feel pangs of guilt? There's no need for soul-searching. A solution is at hand.

http://www.rense.com/general94/whowill.htm

Cobalt
16th May 2011, 11:07 PM
Realistically, the Mongolian people are unlikely to receive a penny, since the money will go into a trust fund for maintenance costs. That's because $12 billion spread over the half-life of uranium - 700 million years - is equivalent to $17 in annual rent.

$17 a year to store shit that can kill you ???

slvrbugjim
16th May 2011, 11:18 PM
I heard that it was to be used for the metal for the use of orthodontics, to get your teeth just right.....

I guess that might work for a little bit....

vacuum
16th May 2011, 11:39 PM
Plutonium is super heavy, right? So a perfect use for it would be to, once and for all, seal up the gulf oil leak. Furthermore, the energetic radioactive particles would easily break down the hydrocarbons that comprise oil waste, similar to how it shreds the cells and molecules in living organisms. As long as the flow of oil and radioactive release are in the right proportion, they will cancel each other out.

Antonio
16th May 2011, 11:55 PM
Chernobyl cleanup required 600000 men and it started within 24hrs after it blew up. Here we have about 4 reactors, it`s been 2 months but next to nothing is being done.
The question is, could an army of cleanup workers deal with this successfully or not?
If it could and Japan is not able to provide such an army, this would be the final proof that capitalism/democracy is not a viable social system.
Japanese are the last people whom we could call pussies, if they are not doing this is because capitalism/democracy destroyes the national spirit and creates an atomized society (pun intended) where people have no higher spiritual purpose to die for.
Imagine this same situation before WW2. The Imperial Japan was probably the most heroic and nationalistic society in the world.
It took only 70 yrs of "democracy" to destroy it.

Or maybe they know that the situation is so grave that even if every able-bodied man of Japan took part in the cleanup effort, it would still be hopeless and now they are going thru the motions and making token efforts for the MSM while staring into the abyss.

slvrbugjim
16th May 2011, 11:55 PM
Plutonium is super heavy, right? So a perfect use for it would be to, once and for all, seal up the gulf oil leak. Furthermore, the energetic radioactive particles would easily break down the hydrocarbons that comprise oil waste, similar to how it shreds the cells and molecules in living organisms. As long as the flow of oil and radioactive release are in the right proportion, they will cancel each other out.


Really?????

You are serious????

one hundred pounds will kill half the population of the Earth over time. Wow. and Fuckashima is thousands of tons of the stuff,

You are a wizard that is amazing.

Glass
17th May 2011, 12:14 AM
Australia is gearing up to set up a waste dump. I expect we will be taking this stuff off peoples hands. We will probably do it at no cost to the nuke industry as well. Because that's the kind of people we are. We like being dumped on. Still we are well on the way to being a nuke waste dump. There are huge problems with contaminated water at the Roxby Downs mine which just so happens to be right on the edge of the Kakadu national reserve. This is a listed world heritage site. The tailings dams are all full so they are going to drain them into the wetlands of the park. It's all good though. 3 eyed fish are great tourist attractions.

slvrbugjim
17th May 2011, 12:21 AM
crap, really???

Then again the British saw Ausi as a waste dump before. The people are the best as they became the strongest (In Oz), but the statement from the Crown is the same.

Big land big waste dump I guess.....

vacuum
17th May 2011, 12:22 AM
Plutonium is super heavy, right? So a perfect use for it would be to, once and for all, seal up the gulf oil leak. Furthermore, the energetic radioactive particles would easily break down the hydrocarbons that comprise oil waste, similar to how it shreds the cells and molecules in living organisms. As long as the flow of oil and radioactive release are in the right proportion, they will cancel each other out.


Really?????

You are serious????

one hundred pounds will kill half the population of the Earth over time. Wow. and fuckashima is thousands of tons of the stuff,

You are a wizard that is amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r3M03v95i0

slvrbugjim
17th May 2011, 12:45 AM
Plutonium is super heavy, right? So a perfect use for it would be to, once and for all, seal up the gulf oil leak. Furthermore, the energetic radioactive particles would easily break down the hydrocarbons that comprise oil waste, similar to how it shreds the cells and molecules in living organisms. As long as the flow of oil and radioactive release are in the right proportion, they will cancel each other out.


Really?????

You are serious????

one hundred pounds will kill half the population of the Earth over time. Wow. and fuckashima is thousands of tons of the stuff,

You are a wizard that is amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r3M03v95i0


great

slvrbugjim
17th May 2011, 01:09 AM
Chernobyl cleanup required 600000 men and it started within 24hrs after it blew up. Here we have about 4 reactors, it`s been 2 months but next to nothing is being done.
The question is, could an army of cleanup workers deal with this successfully or not?
If it could and Japan is not able to provide such an army, this would be the final proof that capitalism/democracy is not a viable social system.

Imagine this same situation before WW2. The Imperial Japan was probably the most heroic and nationalistic society in the world.

not true, we went there and made them f*cked up
It took only 70 yrs of "democracy" to destroy it.

Or maybe they know that the situation is so grave that even if every able-bodied man of Japan took part in the cleanup effort, it would still be hopeless and now they are going thru the motions and making token efforts for the MSM while staring into the abyss.


No democracy is what makes us free, it is Tyranny that we have now, we do not have Democracy.

And by the way do you realize that this county is not a Democracy?? Are you wise enough one to know what it is??
No, you do not.

True and complete Democracy is the rule of the mob.

Corporate Capitalism IE, Fascism is the combination of the state and corporate interests, is what we have now.

If I go out and produce something and sell this to my friends, is indeed capitalism, it is what makes others and myself produce and make good. What you espouse is indeed evil at its very roots. What you espouse is the collective, the course of Canaan, and those that use the collective to control us and to kill us.


And by the way vacuum, I am a petroleum engineer. There are dozens of leaks to fill from this one source and the fuel rods from Japan will not do it. They F8cked up (in the Gulf) and it was not controlled, in fact I believe that the disaster was in fact intended to kill off more of our food.

Glass
17th May 2011, 02:13 AM
I remember a time when the Government was a Trustee. It was populated by Honourable men and women who asked nothing in return for serving the community (save as to costs). The Government was trusted with ensuring the essentials of life were available to everyone. This included access to water, education, health and when it became available electricity. These services were called utilities. THey had utility for the people. They were a thing that enhanced everybodies situation buy some degree so they were for the greater good.

There were people who worked in those utilities and like the Trustees they had a desire to serve other people by helping them. They did this because they had Empathy with and for people. Just like the Trustees did. They wanted better for everyone.

Our hospitals used to be great quality. Sure they had government workers but there were no shortcuts. No do more with less mantras and people had good medical care. Schools taught knowledge and principles. They even allowed God to be spoken off if that was your want.

Fascism does not have empathy. Profit does not have empathy. Being economical is not the only measure by which a thing should be assessed. Empathy carries no cost. It is given freely by those who choose to give it. Our society has had empathy driven out of it. Without empathy we have no room for conscience which is our little voice that measures our actions toward others.

On a person to person level we still may feel and express empathy but at a higher level there is no room for it or no avenue in which it can be expressed. The Japanese are just now discovering there is no mechanism for the people in charge to demonstrate empathy with the people below, not even to the small extent of shouting to them to run to the hills and save themselves.

Japan should have started evacuating people immediately the tsunami hit. They should have gone worse case scenario warnings from the begining and then scaled back if need be. They will be living in the shadow of this catastophe for the remainder of their existence. I think with the gulf disaster and this one and the next one we will see the end of these races of people. It may take a few decades but I think that each of those many millions of small sparks of life we call our fellow man will wink out and pass into history.

At the moment I don't see any way to break out of this path we are on. The scientific faction seems to have a control stranglehold and I am not sure what can break that. I suspect a reset is going to be the only way to get off of this path. How that can occur also escapes me. It seems that we need to be sent back to the dark ages for another try. I think we have been there several times before. Maybe we will get it right but so long as empathy is excluded from anything we do or discover for our benefit then we are destined to repeat the script.

It raises a question as to what is the right path. We have tried living in Harmony with the earth then with Religion and then Science. What paths are there?

Antonio
17th May 2011, 02:14 AM
It takes a collective to clean up nuclear accidents, individualistic societies
( an oxymoron because a society by definition must be a united group of people) cannot do this. Neither can they form an infantry worth a damn, they can only bomb civilians from 5000ft.
What capitalism produces is a nut house.
Do you know why it takes only a few unarmed medical personell to control an entire nut house? Because nuts are atomized and cannot form a society. Otherwise they could overpower their unarmed nurses and one security guard in a few minutes and escape.
Prisons keep people behind bars and have guards with automatic weapons because criminals however sociopathic, are sane enough to be able to reach a consensus, form a society however temporary and escape.
Totalitarian societies are a kind of prison, be they theocratic, communist or fascist but their populations are sane.
To deal with a nuclear catastrophe the society must be extremely collectivist.
A hedonistic group of atomized individuals cannot clean up plutonium shitburger.

Neuro
17th May 2011, 02:26 AM
I wonder in a true democracy, if a single nuclear reactor of the level of danger the ones in Fukushima has would be built. Every local government within at least 200 miles radius should have to approve of it! It is much easier in a fascist/communist state. The state government decides, for the benefit of itself and/or its corporate sponsor and no democratic objection is allowed...

Antonio
17th May 2011, 02:41 AM
I wonder in a true democracy, if a single nuclear reactor of the level of danger the ones in Fukushima has would be built. Every local government within at least 200 miles radius should have to approve of it! It is much easier in a fascist/communist state. The state government decides, for the benefit of itself and/or its corporate sponsor and no democratic objection is allowed...

This is the ultimate dream but to achieve a viable total democracy we would need every human to have the intellect of Da Vinci.
Most humans are dumb, greedy animals who must be constantly elevated to reach an ability to give a damn about anything but their own precious asses.
Totalitarian systems are doing it full time while Western "democracies" are doing the opposite, lowering people to even below the animal status because many higher animals do form societies and care a bit about the members of their group. Technology and stolen resources allow them to create a comfortable facade but when a real disaster strikes, you can see the utter impotence of their system.

Neuro
17th May 2011, 03:16 AM
Good points Antonio. No doubt that the response of communist Soviet Union, has been far better than fascist Japans complete clusterfuckup... However Soviet Union weren't that sucessfull in building, maintaining and running a safe nuclear reactor... To me though, the two choices are like between plague and cholera. But I do also think you are right, for a true democracy to work, people do really need to have far better mental capacities than the average person possess today... Maybe something like the ancient Greek system, were only 10% of the population had voting rights. The rest women, slaves, destitutes, children didn't vote...

Antonio
17th May 2011, 03:30 AM
I don`t think there is such a thing as a 100% safe nuke reactor. Russia got scared shitless after Chernobyl and now we have the safest reactors anywhere, 6 different backup safety systems in each, several diesel generators and batteries plus cables connected to the outside power in case anything goes wrong, it is now as fool-proof as it can be.

PS. My worry is that it`s possible that Fukushima is so bad that nothing can be done be either hedonstic capitalists or altruistic totalitarians or even the combination of the two and it will simply slide into the ocean.
I predict that soon herring and sardines will be more expensive than caviar is today.

Neuro
17th May 2011, 05:35 AM
The price of herring going through the roof!

Then the end is neigh!!! ;D

I think the question posted in the OP though, probably doesn't need an answer, they will not be able to recover the fuel rods, because they have melted or disintegrated, those few that maybe are recoverable, will not make any significant difference...

They should have started covering this nuclear wasteland up more than 2 months ago. Tepco knew that the core melted down, just a few hours following the disaster, yet they lied about it, saying that it was contained, working on getting electricity to the non-existent cooling system. That means they are guilty of premeditated murder, probably genocide. TEPCO managers and board members should be arrested, together with government representatives and ministers. Some of them should be executed, some life in prison, some shorter sentences... They shouldn't be able to hide behind a corporation under the mantra they were just following orders...

gunDriller
17th May 2011, 08:21 AM
what happened to, "You Break it, You Bought it" ???

Cobalt
17th May 2011, 08:42 AM
The price of herring going through the roof!

Then the end is neigh!!! ;D

I think the question posted in the OP though, probably doesn't need an answer, they will not be able to recover the fuel rods, because they have melted or disintegrated, those few that maybe are recoverable, will not make any significant difference...

They should have started covering this nuclear wasteland up more than 2 months ago. Tepco knew that the core melted down, just a few hours following the disaster, yet they lied about it, saying that it was contained, working on getting electricity to the non-existent cooling system. That means they are guilty of premeditated murder, probably genocide. TEPCO managers and board members should be arrested, together with government representatives and ministers. Some of them should be executed, some life in prison, some shorter sentences... They shouldn't be able to hide behind a corporation under the mantra they were just following orders...


Exactly why I have been saying from the very beginning that the CEO's and Board members should be the first ones to be forced to suit up and do what needs to be done, they are the ones that made every decision regarding the operation of the plants.
At some place the old saying "the buck stops here" has to occur.

The Nuke energy program has always been a disaster waiting too happen, they keep talking safety records and decades later they are still piling up more and more deadly waste with not one single plan on where or how to dispose of it.

mick silver
17th May 2011, 09:14 AM
first they would have to be men ...........................CEO's and Board members should be the first ones to be forced to suit up ... my bet is that they have left japen . there no way they will be near this fire

slvrbugjim
17th May 2011, 11:29 PM
It takes a collective to clean up nuclear accidents, individualistic societies
( an oxymoron because a society by definition must be a united group of people) cannot do this. Neither can they form an infantry worth a damn, they can only bomb civilians from 5000ft.
What capitalism produces is a nut house.
Do you know why it takes only a few unarmed medical personell to control an entire nut house? Because nuts are atomized and cannot form a society. Otherwise they could overpower their unarmed nurses and one security guard in a few minutes and escape.
Prisons keep people behind bars and have guards with automatic weapons because criminals however sociopathic, are sane enough to be able to reach a consensus, form a society however temporary and escape.
Totalitarian societies are a kind of prison, be they theocratic, communist or fascist but their populations are sane.
To deal with a nuclear catastrophe the society must be extremely collectivist.
A hedonistic group of atomized individuals cannot clean up plutonium shitburger.
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ah yes like Stalin, he killed 60 million for the greater good, for the new peoples party and for what greater good did he kill for??

And Yes, this is not so sure, are are you so sure about this, will you go to the end and the truth for money??

Yes of course, let us see....

Serpo
18th May 2011, 12:11 AM
Even an eight year old could of warned them about the stupidity of building reactors in Japan.
It looks to be beyond comprehension what is going on over there affecting the rest of the world.

Neuro
18th May 2011, 12:45 AM
what happened to, "You Break it, You Bought it" ???
I think that kind of personal responsibility went in the 70's or early 80's... Nowadays it is the stores fault if a customer that looks like an elephant breaks the porcelain. They probably discriminate against clumsy people, and could very well be up for a lawsuit for creating emotional trauma...

Serpo
18th May 2011, 01:54 AM
Meltdowns also likely occurred at No. 2, No. 3 reactors of Fukushima plant

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photoThe Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant seen from about 38 kilometers west of the facility and at an altitude of 7,300 meters (Eiji Hori)

Data shows meltdowns occurred at the No. 2 and No. 3 reactors of the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant, creating huge problems for the plant operator that had presented a more optimistic scenario.

And like the No. 1 reactor, the melted fuel appears to have created holes in the pressure vessel of the No. 3 reactor, according to the data of Tokyo Electric Power Co. released May 16.

Goshi Hosono, special adviser to Prime Minister Naoto Kan, acknowledged the likelihood of meltdowns at the No. 2 and No. 3 reactors.

"We have to assume that meltdowns have taken place," Hosono said at a news conference May 16.

Haruki Madarame, chairman of the Nuclear Safety Commission, said in a separate news conference the same day that the meltdowns should not come as a surprise.

"When highly contaminated water was found at the No. 2 reactor building in late March, we recognized that a meltdown had taken place. So I informed the government," he said. "As for No. 1 and No. 3 reactors, we recognized that, given the processes that led to the accidents there, the same thing had occurred."

Immediately after the crisis erupted at the nuclear power plant in March, experts pointed out that meltdowns likely occurred at all three reactors.

But TEPCO's measures to contain the crisis have been based on the assumption of lighter damage to the reactor cores.

TEPCO had said it believed that only a portion of the nuclear fuel rods had melted. Now, it appears that all parts of the fuel rods have melted.

TEPCO recently said a meltdown likely occurred at the No. 1 reactor. But a TEPCO official on May 16 declined to comment on the possibility of meltdowns at the No. 2 and No. 3 reactors.

"We have yet to be able to grasp the entire situation at the plant," the official said.

A meltdown is a situation in which nuclear fuel melts and accumulates at the bottom of the reactor pressure vessel, which is located inside a containment vessel.

At the No. 3 reactor, the melted fuel may have burned through the pressure vessel to the containment vessel, the data showed.

TEPCO on April 17 released a schedule to reach a cold shutdown at the Fukushima plant within six to nine months.

However, given the latest data, the embattled company will have to drastically modify its plans.

If meltdowns have indeed occurred, more time will be needed to construct a system that cools the reactors. In addition, the company will be tasked with the huge chore of disposing of massive amounts of highly contaminated water.

TEPCO's latest data describes the situation immediately after the Great East Japan Earthquake and tsunami devastated the coast of the Tohoku region on March 11.

Release of the data, which had been kept at the central control room at the nuclear power plant, was delayed because it took time to restore power and remove radioactive materials attached to the papers.

According to the data, the pressure in the pressure vessel of the No. 2 reactor dropped at 6:43 p.m. on March 15. A similar drop in pressure also took place at the No. 3 reactor at 11:50 p.m. on March 16.

Those declines were apparently the result of holes made in the pressure vessels.

Previously, it was believed that water was leaking through holes at the bottom of the pressure vessels where measuring instruments and part of the control rod mechanisms were located.

Now, it appears that melted nuclear fuel formed new holes in the pressure vessels.

Radioactive materials, such as technetium, produced when nuclear fuel rods are damaged, have been detected in water in the No. 3 reactor building. That discovery has raised speculation that the melted nuclear fuel has breached the pressure vessel and landed in the containment vessel.

During the meltdown at Three Mile Island in the United States in 1979, the fuel remained in the pressure vessel. But work to remove the melted fuel from the pressure vessel, which started in 1985, took five years to complete. An additional three years were needed to confirm that radioactive contamination had been removed from the reactor.

Given the more serious situation at the Fukushima plant, some nuclear experts say more than 10 years will be needed to remove the melted fuel, eliminate the contamination and dismantle the reactors.

Fumiya Tanabe, a former senior researcher at what was then the government-affiliated Japan Atomic Energy Research Institute, said black smoke from the No. 3 reactor building in the days after the earthquake and available data on pressure showed early on that a meltdown had taken place.

"Before we saw TEPCO's data (released on May 16), we had been already aware of the possibility (of a meltdown)," he said.

Tanabe criticized TEPCO's recovery efforts and measures that were taken based on a situation that was much less serious than reality.

He said TEPCO's optimistic scenario led three workers to be exposed to highly radioactive water on March 24 and prevented measures to keep contaminated water from leaking into the sea through a trench at the No. 2 reactor building.

"In resolving serious accidents like those (at the Fukushima plant), it is a cardinal rule to work out recovery measures based on the worst possible situation," he said.
http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201105170428.html

Serpo
18th May 2011, 01:56 AM
The situation at the Fukushima plant is currently out of control, says Professor Christopher Busby from the European Committee on Radiation Risks, who gave RT his insight into the recent developments in Japan.

The situation at the Fukushima plant is currently out of control, says Professor Christopher Busby from the European Committee on Radiation Risks, who gave RT his insight into the recent developments in Japan.
“Of course, it’s time for the Japanese government to take control. But having said that, it’s very hard to know how you could take control of the situation. The situation is essentially out of control,”

Busby stressed.

“I believe personally that it’s a global problem – and not the Japanese government’s problem only,” he added.

Earlier on Tuesday, Japan's Prime Minister Naoto Kan said that his government was determined to "take responsibility" for Japan's crippled nuclear plant "right to the end" as the operator of the plant said a revised roadmap to resolve the crisis would stick with the existing timeline.

Speaking to the media on Tuesday, Tokyo Electric Power Co. Vice President Sakae Muto said the operator would maintain the revised plan but will add new tasks, such as boosting preparedness for tsunamis and improving conditions for workers.

Reports say there are signs that two further reactors, Nos. 2 and 3, at Japan's troubled Fukushima plant may have gone into meltdown. Earlier it was confirmed that similar problems had occurred at the number one reactor during the first 16 hours following the plant’s being hit by the earthquake and tsunami.

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http://rt.com/news/situation-fukushima-no-control/

Spectrism
18th May 2011, 06:15 AM
Antonio- how long have you been in Amerika?

You might work at figuring out what kind of government there is here, as well as in other countries... and then look at our foundational documents and see where we strayed.

The liars who say we are a democracy are either morons or they are using the word to make people think they are all equally powerful. As SLVRBUG said- a democracy is mob rule. We don't have that. We have a mob that is manipulated and carefully controlled.