Engineers Request Permission to Speak Freely Regarding World Trade Building 7

[old steel]

It's all at the link check it out.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/engineers-request-permission-speak-freely-regarding-world-trade-building-7

[mick silver]

tag your it

[mamboni]

Top Experts Say Official Explanation Makes No Sense

Numerous structural engineers - the people who know the most about office building vulnerabilities and accidents - say that the official explanation of why building 7 at the World Trade Center collapsed on 9/11 is "impossible", "defies common logic" and "violates the law of physics":



Two professors of structural engineering at a prestigious Swiss university (Dr. Joerg Schneider and Dr. Hugo Bachmann) said that, on 9/11, World Trade Center 7 was brought down by controlled demolition (translation here)

Alfred Lee Lopez, with 48 years of experience in all types of buildings:
I agree the fire did not cause the collapse of the three buildings. The most realistic cause of the collapse is that the buildings were imploded

John D. Pryor, with more than 30 years experience:
The collapse of WTC7 looks like it may have been the result of a controlled demolition. This should have been looked into as part of the original investigation.
Robert F. Marceau, with over 30 years of structural engineering experience:

From videos of the collapse of building 7, the penthouse drops first prior to the collapse, and it can be noted that windows, in a vertical line, near the location of first interior column line are blown out, and reveal smoke from those explosions. This occurs in a vertical line in symmetrical fashion an equal distance in toward the center of the building from each end. When compared to controlled demolitions, one can see the similarities

Kamal S. Obeid, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Berkeley and 30 years of engineering experience, says:
Photos of the steel, evidence about how the buildings collapsed, the unexplainable collapse of WTC 7, evidence of thermite in the debris as well as several other red flags, are quite troubling indications of well planned and controlled demolition

Netanyahu: The stupid goyim are still arguing about 911 and we've already conned them into eternal war for Israel and looted their treasury. Only stupid goyim could be so easily fooled. Mossad did a magnificent job that day, bringing down thosee buildings. Larry made a fortune on the insurance. Ha ha ha, we got the goys paying us as victims after we fleece them big time. ;D

[crazychicken]

"Engineers request permission to speak freely"

I'm an engineer, P.E., I have never requested permission to speak freely. I say what I want, and when.

What a crock. An attempt to get more exposure than they can get otherwise professionally.

CC

[cthulu]

In regards to obama's "don't question 911" comments, I find it funny how he can make such a big deal out of 3000 dying on 911, but when our own people send 4500 and still counting to die because Iraq did 911, whoaaaa, don't go there! :lol:

[Hatha Sunahara]

Here's a bunch that don't ask permission to present their scientific observations:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgN080yySe0


They are just a tiny step away from concluding that the WTC towers (all 3 of them) were dustified by nuclear bombs placed underneath them, and detonated by anyone but arab terrorists in computer generated airplanes. I wonder how long it takes them to make that final leap of logic?


Hatha

[Bigjon]

"Engineers request permission to speak freely"

I'm an engineer, P.E., I have never requested permission to speak freely. I say what I want, and when.

What a crock. An attempt to get more exposure than they can get otherwise professionally.

CC


Speaking out in Politically Correct fashion and in effect saying nothing says all I need to know about you.

The folks who are speaking out stand to ruin their careers and lose jobs as punishment for their speech. Kevin Ryan was terminated from his job for speaking the truth.


Kevin Ryan is the former Site Manager for Environmental Health Laboratories, a division of Underwriters Laboratories (UL). Mr. Ryan, a Chemist and laboratory manager, was fired by UL in 2004 for publicly questioning the report being drafted by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) on their World Trade Center investigation. In the intervening period, Ryan has completed additional research while his original questions, which have become increasingly important over time, remain unanswered by UL or NIST.

Through interviews, presentations, and his work as co-editor at the online Journal of 911 Studies (http://www.journalof911studies.com/), Mr. Ryan works to bring out the truth behind the events of 9/11/01 for the benefit of all people.

[crazychicken]

Running your mouth about an individual you know nothing about tells me ALL about you!

BJ/BS says it all.

CC






"Engineers request permission to speak freely"

I'm an engineer, P.E., I have never requested permission to speak freely. I say what I want, and when.

What a crock. An attempt to get more exposure than they can get otherwise professionally.

CC


Speaking out in Politically Correct fashion and in effect saying nothing says all I need to know about you.

The folks who are speaking out stand to ruin their careers and lose jobs as punishment for their speech. Kevin Ryan was terminated from his job for speaking the truth.


Kevin Ryan is the former Site Manager for Environmental Health Laboratories, a division of Underwriters Laboratories (UL). Mr. Ryan, a Chemist and laboratory manager, was fired by UL in 2004 for publicly questioning the report being drafted by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) on their World Trade Center investigation. In the intervening period, Ryan has completed additional research while his original questions, which have become increasingly important over time, remain unanswered by UL or NIST.

Through interviews, presentations, and his work as co-editor at the online Journal of 911 Studies, Mr. Ryan works to bring out the truth behind the events of 9/11/01 for the benefit of all people.

[Bigjon]

Running your mouth about an individual you know nothing about tells me ALL about you!

BJ/BS says it all.

CC






"Engineers request permission to speak freely"

I'm an engineer, P.E., I have never requested permission to speak freely. I say what I want, and when.

What a crock. An attempt to get more exposure than they can get otherwise professionally.

CC


Speaking out in Politically Correct fashion and in effect saying nothing says all I need to know about you.

The folks who are speaking out stand to ruin their careers and lose jobs as punishment for their speech. Kevin Ryan was terminated from his job for speaking the truth.


Kevin Ryan is the former Site Manager for Environmental Health Laboratories, a division of Underwriters Laboratories (UL). Mr. Ryan, a Chemist and laboratory manager, was fired by UL in 2004 for publicly questioning the report being drafted by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) on their World Trade Center investigation. In the intervening period, Ryan has completed additional research while his original questions, which have become increasingly important over time, remain unanswered by UL or NIST.

Through interviews, presentations, and his work as co-editor at the online Journal of 911 Studies, Mr. Ryan works to bring out the truth behind the events of 9/11/01 for the benefit of all people.



Oh, I know quite a bit about you and your support for Jews and all things Jewish.

[madfranks]

Please knock it off and stay on topic, or take it to the Thunderdome.

[crazychicken]

[quote BigJon

Oh, I know quite a bit about you and your support for Jews and all things Jewish.
[/quote]

If that is supposed to be a dig--let me help you some. I would never tell you to blow it out your ass. Others might, but I certainly won't.

When I was in school I used to spend my Saturdays at the local junk yard. Not working, just poking around. The owner was a good friend of the family, a Jewish man who was a Rabbi at the local temple. He treated all of us like guests. A very fine man. When I went of to beautifuk VN his family was one of the few who wished the six of us locals off to war. I got beat up some in sunny southeast Asia. When I finally got out of the hospital I wanted to go into contracting-site work. With the little I had I would pick up penny ante jobs, but it was enough to keep going. I ran into the junk yard owner, Izzi Shrott one day. He asked how everything was going and I told him. He said he had some work available at the Temple's cemetary. I went and looked, gave him a price, he told the association, and they gave me the work. It took me a week. I told them I was done, the association's board came out and inspected, and paid me right away. For several years I did all of their work, and the total dollars kept increasing. I was always treated like a friend. A week before the six day war I got the biggest contract I had ever gotten from them. $135,000. A very big contract for me. The second day of the six day war I was done with the job. I called them, they came out, agreed the work was done, and the Treasurer got out his checkbook as always. He got out his pen, and I told him I wanted two checks. He said OK, how do you want them made out. I told him the first one to me, for half the amount. He made it out and asked about the other one. I told him I wanted the other half sent to Israel---for bullets. What is going on over there is crap. But the money is for bullets, not bandages. Every one of them asked me "was I sure?" I said absolutely as long as they would assure me they would get it there. They said as one person yes and not one more word was spoken. Very unusual. They just left.

I was a one man tiny contracting company up until then. Within two weeks I had nineteen people wrking for me trying to keep up with all the work that was coming in. The phone didn't stop ringing daylight until dark. The association and every one related made sure every one they knew called me for work.

When Izzi's daughter got married, to a Catholic boy, I was the only Christian on the Bride's side of the aisle.

I have never had a bad deal with a Jew, Hassidic, or otherwise.

I have what I have partly because of them.

Yes-I have positive feelings for the Jewish community.

And if you or anyone else doesn't like it---I REALLY DON"T GIVE A SHIT!

CC

[Bigjon]

Please knock it off and stay on topic, or take it to the Thunderdome.


The topic is big buildings don't just fall down and speaking out about it is not Kosher according to our Jewish "friends".

Israel did 911 (http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5367)

[gunDriller]

"Engineers request permission to speak freely"

I'm an engineer, P.E., I have never requested permission to speak freely. I say what I want, and when.

What a crock. An attempt to get more exposure than they can get otherwise professionally.

CC


have you ever reviewed Jim Hoffman's work at -

http://911research.wtc7.net/

he calculates the amount of energy it would take to pulverize the concrete in the WTC buildings into dust.

always interesting to hear another person's reaction to those calculations Hoffman did.

i went to a mini-conference where he spoke and spent about 4 hours in 2 different sessions with him. to me it seemed like he had done the calc's right & triple-checked them.

[crazychicken]

I'm not taking issue at anything anyone says. I'm taking issue with people--professionals--seeking permission to speak. I think that is funny. Nothing to do with content. I respect everyones opinion--almost. I damn sure support free speech.

FWIW--Being an engineer gives you the right to be wrong with authority. That goes for everyone in the Profession. I'm a P.E., Professional Engineer. That gives me, and other P.E.s the right to be REALLY WRONG with authority.

Side note--I had a meeting scheduled in the South Tower 10:30 am 9/11.

CC

[[/quote] Gun Driller

have you ever reviewed Jim Hoffman's work at -

http://911research.wtc7.net/

he calculates the amount of energy it would take to pulverize the concrete in the WTC buildings into dust.

always interesting to hear another person's reaction to those calculations Hoffman did.

i went to a mini-conference where he spoke and spent about 4 hours in 2 different sessions with him. to me it seemed like he had done the calc's right & triple-checked them.
[/quote]

[Bigjon]

The Jews main first weapon is ridicule.

[hoarder]

I had a friend in 1978 who was Jewish and a pretty good guy, therefore it proves that the Rich, powerful Jewish heirarchy does not conspire against us. :oo-->

[PatColo]

a couple of good 30 second TV spots from RememberBuilding7.org (http://rememberbuilding7.org):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHIj9wzbYGQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHo5hNCvLb4


Meanwhile, aww jeez looky there, every time I check that number gets bigger, 1,502 licensed architects & engineers (http://ae911truth.org) now calling the official 9/11 CT a fraud! ;D


http://www.ae911truth.net/flash/wtc7ani2.swf

http://www.ae911truth.org/images/explo2.jpg

Visit http://www.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php to view the identities & bonafides of all the Architects & Engineers who have gone public, risking their reputations & careers, to take a stand demanding a real investigation, specifically regarding the controlled demo's of those 3 WTC towers. Click on their names for more background on them, and their "personal statements." 1,502 A's & E's at the time of this posting.

[Mouse]

[quote BigJon

Oh, I know quite a bit about you and your support for Jews and all things Jewish.


If that is supposed to be a dig--let me help you some. I would never tell you to blow it out your ass. Others might, but I certainly won't.

When I was in school I used to spend my Saturdays at the local junk yard. Not working, just poking around. The owner was a good friend of the family, a Jewish man who was a Rabbi at the local temple. He treated all of us like guests. A very fine man. When I went of to beautifuk VN his family was one of the few who wished the six of us locals off to war. I got beat up some in sunny southeast Asia. When I finally got out of the hospital I wanted to go into contracting-site work. With the little I had I would pick up penny ante jobs, but it was enough to keep going. I ran into the junk yard owner, Izzi Shrott one day. He asked how everything was going and I told him. He said he had some work available at the Temple's cemetary. I went and looked, gave him a price, he told the association, and they gave me the work. It took me a week. I told them I was done, the association's board came out and inspected, and paid me right away. For several years I did all of their work, and the total dollars kept increasing. I was always treated like a friend. A week before the six day war I got the biggest contract I had ever gotten from them. $135,000. A very big contract for me. The second day of the six day war I was done with the job. I called them, they came out, agreed the work was done, and the Treasurer got out his checkbook as always. He got out his pen, and I told him I wanted two checks. He said OK, how do you want them made out. I told him the first one to me, for half the amount. He made it out and asked about the other one. I told him I wanted the other half sent to Israel---for bullets. What is going on over there is crap. But the money is for bullets, not bandages. Every one of them asked me "was I sure?" I said absolutely as long as they would assure me they would get it there. They said as one person yes and not one more word was spoken. Very unusual. They just left.

I was a one man tiny contracting company up until then. Within two weeks I had nineteen people wrking for me trying to keep up with all the work that was coming in. The phone didn't stop ringing daylight until dark. The association and every one related made sure every one they knew called me for work.

When Izzi's daughter got married, to a Catholic boy, I was the only Christian on the Bride's side of the aisle.

I have never had a bad deal with a Jew, Hassidic, or otherwise.

I have what I have partly because of them.

Yes-I have positive feelings for the Jewish community.

And if you or anyone else doesn't like it---I REALLY DON"T GIVE A shit!

CC

Side note--I had a meeting scheduled in the South Tower 10:30 am 9/11.



[/quote]

CC - with all respect as I don't know you personally, but your post above kind of insinuates that:

1. You were given an opportunity by the jews/zionists
2. You did whatever it took to "fit in" as a Zionist supporter (e.g. you sould out)
3. You then had a period of great prosperity, which I assume allows you to own many sections of property and etc. and do preps
4. You were not at your appointment on 911, so you were warned.

So who are you?

Iceberg or Goldberg?

[woodman]

If that is supposed to be a dig--let me help you some. I would never tell you to blow it out your ass. Others might, but I certainly won't.

When I was in school I used to spend my Saturdays at the local junk yard. Not working, just poking around. The owner was a good friend of the family, a Jewish man who was a Rabbi at the local temple. He treated all of us like guests. A very fine man. When I went of to beautifuk VN his family was one of the few who wished the six of us locals off to war. I got beat up some in sunny southeast Asia. When I finally got out of the hospital I wanted to go into contracting-site work. With the little I had I would pick up penny ante jobs, but it was enough to keep going. I ran into the junk yard owner, Izzi Shrott one day. He asked how everything was going and I told him. He said he had some work available at the Temple's cemetary. I went and looked, gave him a price, he told the association, and they gave me the work. It took me a week. I told them I was done, the association's board came out and inspected, and paid me right away. For several years I did all of their work, and the total dollars kept increasing. I was always treated like a friend. A week before the six day war I got the biggest contract I had ever gotten from them. $135,000. A very big contract for me. The second day of the six day war I was done with the job. I called them, they came out, agreed the work was done, and the Treasurer got out his checkbook as always. He got out his pen, and I told him I wanted two checks. He said OK, how do you want them made out. I told him the first one to me, for half the amount. He made it out and asked about the other one. I told him I wanted the other half sent to Israel---for bullets. What is going on over there is crap. But the money is for bullets, not bandages. Every one of them asked me "was I sure?" I said absolutely as long as they would assure me they would get it there. They said as one person yes and not one more word was spoken. Very unusual. They just left.

I was a one man tiny contracting company up until then. Within two weeks I had nineteen people wrking for me trying to keep up with all the work that was coming in. The phone didn't stop ringing daylight until dark. The association and every one related made sure every one they knew called me for work.

When Izzi's daughter got married, to a Catholic boy, I was the only Christian on the Bride's side of the aisle.

I have never had a bad deal with a Jew, Hassidic, or otherwise.

I have what I have partly because of them.

Yes-I have positive feelings for the Jewish community.

And if you or anyone else doesn't like it---I REALLY DON"T GIVE A shit!

CC




Sounds to me like you sold your soul to the devil. Sounds like 'ass-sucking' idiocy to me. Did you make sure to lick their boots after you gave them the check for bullets to kill Semites? It also sounds like you were being way over-paid for the job if you could afford to give them half off the top like that. Why would a Jew overpay a Gentile? Bought you off, I'd say.

[Large Sarge]

I am going to paraphrase this ok.....

"ideas are more powerful than the sword"

from which we get

"the pen is mightier than the sword"

regarding the jewish question, and such.

the jews seem to understand the above concept (on average) better than the goyim.

I will say something else again, in any situation, all you can do is "sweep your own side of the street" (control your own actions, feelings, etc)

of course there are good jews.

some of the fanatic jews, who believe in Israel at all costs, well they have succumbed to the "ideas are more powerful than swords" phenom.

same as some of our christian zionists

just some food for thought.

as far "right and wrong"

I use maybury's 2 laws

1. do all you have agreed to do (contract law)
2. do not encroach on others or their property. (criminal law)

hold those 2 laws upto any situation, usually you figure out the good guy/bad guy pretty quick.

let me spell it out "you cannot change the jew, or any other person, the only person you can change is yourself"

all the best,
Sarge

[woodman]

The fact that engineers would feel the need to 'ask' to speak freely paints a rather sickening portrait of our whole system. I will agree whole-heartedly with CC's point (before the amazing digression) that no one should think twice before speaking the truth as they see it. The fact that proffessionals are worried about losing their positions and livelihoods because of their belief about what happened on 9-11 is a sickening thing.

So much for ex-soldiers claims that they fought in the jungles to defend free speach.

[woodman]

I am going to paraphrase this ok.....

"ideas are more powerful than the sword"

from which we get

"the pen is mightier than the sword"

regarding the jewish question, and such.

the jews seem to understand the above concept (on average) better than the goyim.

I will say something else again, in any situation, all you can do is "sweep your own side of the street" (control your own actions, feelings, etc)

of course there are good jews.

some of the fanatic jews, who believe in Israel at all costs, well they have succumbed to the "ideas are more powerful than swords" phenom.

same as some of our christian zionists

just some food for thought.

as far "right and wrong"

I use maybury's 2 laws

1. do all you have agreed to do (contract law)
2. do not encroach on others or their property. (criminal law)

hold those 2 laws upto any situation, usually you figure out the good guy/bad guy pretty quick.

let me spell it out "you cannot change the jew, or any other person, the only person you can change is yourself"

all the best,
Sarge



Those are good rules LS.

#1. Thou shalt not lie. Keep your word....unless you find you were mistaken and by keeping to your word you are doing greater harm than abandoning it.

#2. Thou shalt not steal. Don't take that which belongs to others. Again this is conditional upon the principal of 'Greater Good'.

I sometimes think the Ten Commandments were not explicit enough. Some religious folks feel it is okay to do many things which are not explicitly prohibited by the commandments. Sometimes it seems that the Ten Commandments are redundant. After all, if you kill a man, you are stealing his life. Mostly the commandments boil down to 'thou shalt not steal': Life, truth,liberty peace, respect, etc.

I do believe words can change people. If they are used with enough integrity, it is possible to effect a profound and fundamental change in one who is ready for change. If a person is not ready for change, you can never reach them. Words are like seeds. If the bed is prepared and the conditions right and the speaker is willing to nurture, then profound changes can be accomplished.

[crazychicken]

i certainly am thrilled to death that the OVERSIDE COMMODE turned the discussion about free speech into a Jewish question.

O.C. is really good at doing that.

It is even better that my interaction in the thread has brought forth so many interesting viewpoints.

Everyone has an opinion. Opinions are like assholes--Everyone has at least one. That doesn't mean ANY OF THEM are right!

Each of us is on a journey through life.

If some believe in God, some in the sun, and some in treebark it is their right to do so.

At the end we all end up in the ground.

You all have a nice day.

CC

[Bigjon]

i certainly am thrilled to death that the OVERSIDE OVERSIZED COMMODE turned the discussion about free speech into a Jewish question.

O.C. is really good at doing that.

It is even better that my interaction in the thread has brought forth so many interesting viewpoints.

Everyone has an opinion. Opinions are like assholes--Everyone has at least one. That doesn't mean ANY OF THEM are right!

Each of us is on a journey through life.

If some believe in God, some in the sun, and some in treebark it is their right to do so.

At the end we all end up in the ground.

You all have a nice day.

CC


Gee a Jew who ridicules people who are brave enough to speak out, now ridicules me.

That is a Jew's version of free speech.

[crazychicken]

Oh My: You are such a tough guy! Full of amazing intellect! Oh my, Oh my! I am so overwhelmed! Oh My, Oh My!
Please espouse some more of your amazing observations!

Oh My, Oh My!
CC





i certainly am thrilled to death that the OVERSIDE OVERSIZED COMMODE turned the discussion about free speech into a Jewish question.

O.C. is really good at doing that.

It is even better that my interaction in the thread has brought forth so many interesting viewpoints.

Everyone has an opinion. Opinions are like assholes--Everyone has at least one. That doesn't mean ANY OF THEM are right!

Each of us is on a journey through life.

If some believe in God, some in the sun, and some in treebark it is their right to do so.

At the end we all end up in the ground.

You all have a nice day.

CC


Gee a Jew who ridicules people who are brave enough to speak out, now ridicules me.

That is a Jew's version of free speech.

[Bigjon]

Oh My: You are such a tough guy! Full of amazing intellect! Oh my, Oh my! I am so overwhelmed! Oh My, Oh My!
Please espouse some more of your amazing observations!

Oh My, Oh My!
CC





i certainly am thrilled to death that the OVERSIDE OVERSIZED COMMODE turned the discussion about free speech into a Jewish question.

O.C. is really good at doing that.

It is even better that my interaction in the thread has brought forth so many interesting viewpoints.

Everyone has an opinion. Opinions are like assholes--Everyone has at least one. That doesn't mean ANY OF THEM are right!

Each of us is on a journey through life.

If some believe in God, some in the sun, and some in treebark it is their right to do so.

At the end we all end up in the ground.

You all have a nice day.

CC


Gee a Jew who ridicules people who are brave enough to speak out, now ridicules me.

That is a Jew's version of free speech.



Quoted for the record.

[crazychicken]

Oh my, what a tough guy!

Don't get overheated with your heavy duty thinking!

CC






Oh My: You are such a tough guy! Full of amazing intellect! Oh my, Oh my! I am so overwhelmed! Oh My, Oh My!
Please espouse some more of your amazing observations!

Oh My, Oh My!
CC





i certainly am thrilled to death that the OVERSIDE OVERSIZED COMMODE turned the discussion about free speech into a Jewish question.

O.C. is really good at doing that.

It is even better that my interaction in the thread has brought forth so many interesting viewpoints.

Everyone has an opinion. Opinions are like assholes--Everyone has at least one. That doesn't mean ANY OF THEM are right!

Each of us is on a journey through life.

If some believe in God, some in the sun, and some in treebark it is their right to do so.

At the end we all end up in the ground.

You all have a nice day.

CC


Gee a Jew who ridicules people who are brave enough to speak out, now ridicules me.

That is a Jew's version of free speech.



Quoted for the record.

[Bigjon]

While CC has his meltdown we ask a return to the previous program:

It's all at the link check it out.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/engineers-request-permission-speak-freely-regarding-world-trade-building-7

[crazychicken]

You drew first---BIG SHOT!
CC



While CC has his meltdown we ask a return to the previous program:

It's all at the link check it out.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/engineers-request-permission-speak-freely-regarding-world-trade-building-7

[solid]

You drew first---BIG SHOT!
CC

CC, some people can be their own worst enemies, and they don't even realize it. And what happens is either a big wake-up call during tough times, or they become a complete liability to themselves and those around them.

[Book]

http://rlv.zcache.com/shabbos_goy_t_shirt-p235866866331892108trlf_400.jpg

Shabbos goy (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Shabbos_goy)

:oo-->


In certain households and synagogues a particular non-Jewish person (invariably not a member of the home/synagogue) may be designated as the Shabbos goy for that place. This individual is usually one who would be present regardless of this role, such as a babysitter or a synagogue maintenance crew member, and is typically paid for the work. Before the 20th century Shabbos goys most commonly lit (or re-lit) stoves in Jewish homes in the winter.

[madfranks]

I very rarely have to lock threads around here, but this one went way out of control. To the OP, sorry about your thread, feel free to start a new one if you want.