Is anyone else hating the new Firefox v4?

[PatColo]

they moved around like, everything. Not cool. Most commonly used buttons are moved somewhere else & tiny (reload/stop/home); the page forward/backward buttons no longer have drop-downs in case you want to jump to 5 pages back- that takes 5 clicks of the button now; all the former bookmarks/downloads/history/options/help drop-down menus are collapsed into a single "Firefox" drop-down, increasing the amount of navigation clicks to get to what you want, the full webpage title (IE headline of the article you're reading) no longer displays at the top of the browser !?!; they rearranged the order of things in the right-click menu so they're not where you're used to; more...

Is FF4 some kind of bad joke? Did MSFT slip an agent in there as Mozilla's new redesign boss?! :o :conf:

[platinumdude]

I'm still using 3. Guess I will stick around with this for a while.

[Cobalt]

Thanks for the heads up
I didn't update yet, figured I let them work out the kinks and complaints

[ShortJohnSilver]

It is faster and better. Learn the keyboard commands and look over the options to display the navigation buttons. If you press and hold a nav button such as back, it will display a list of pages you can hop back to.

[MarchHare]

I was able to customize the things that changed in ways that I didn't like, it seems to be working fast and with few crashes/errors for me.

[vacuum]

I'm using it and I actually like it a lot. Its running much faster for me.

I know some of the things that you listed are easy to change. I put the back/forward arrows, refresh, and home buttons all on the left side. All you have to do is right-click on a blank surface around the url bar (such as the tiny strip underneath it) and select customize. Then you can add, remove, and rearrange buttons by dragging and dropping.

To make the old menu bars show up, simply click the orange firefox button, go to options, then click menu bar.

Can't help you on the back down arrow or right-click menus. I think they based a lot of the gui changes off google chrome.

[Book]

the page forward/backward buttons no longer have drop-downs in case you want to jump to 5 pages back- that takes 5 clicks of the button now



HOLD DOWN your left mouse button and the backward arrow drops down to select previous pages. You will get used to the improvements/changes in a day or two...lol.

|--0--| I like FF4

[Shami-Amourae]

I personally liked it and swapped back to Firefox from Chrome. You want to get in a habit of knowing mouse buttons and keyboard shortcuts when navigating the Internet. For example, my mouse has Forward and Backward buttons on the side of the mouse (you can also do this by holding Alt and pushing the arrow keys the direction you want to go.) If I want to open a link as a new tab I middle click a link. If I want to reload, I hit Control + R.

[Glass]

I think FF 4 and IE 9 both have some issues. With FF4 there is no .Net1 support so that might be an issue for some. I have it installed on one of my PC's but I have decided to wait B4 upgrading the others.

IE 9 also have some problems and I have uninstalled it for a couple people because it just sits there and does nothing. Some kind of XP vs IE9 issue I think. I haven't seen it on anything post Vista so I don't know if it is a browser issue or an OS compatability problem.

There's nothing worse than when they start moving things around. IE 9 is a major inteface change and it looks like a cross between chrome and FF. I won't be going back to IE based on the latest version.

[PatColo]

thanks all for the replies and tips, I guess I'll "take the tour".

IMHO their mistake was making the radical switcheroos the default configuration, rather than making the v3 > v4 transition more seamless to the long time user who knows their way around; then somewhere blatant Mozilla can tout about the new whistles bells & config options which the more adventurous techies can explore right away, while the more set-in-their-ways types can just get moving, always with the option to "take the (video?) tour" and move things around if they wish. For me this was like an unexpected splash of ice water. I imagine they intend to "push the reluctant out of the nest" with this forced-change and find-your-way-back approach, hoping we "learn to love them through freaky circus sex usage", but I didn't even know this was a "major version upgrade", only okayed one of the usual upgrade prompts and next thing I knew my browser was all hosed up. At this point I may as well try out a few of the other leading browsers, as long as Mozilla's "forced" me to relearn where everything is, it may as well be a competing browser anyways. It's just an alienating approach Mozilla took in rolling out 4.

[Serpo]

Wheres the refresh button again?

[CJay8]

I have not figured out how to get rid of ASK.COM. Seems like whenever I start FF4 it wants to reload ASK.COM as my default search engine. Tried removing it from the list, but it comes back the next time I open FF.

[Serpo]

I have not figured out how to get rid of ASK.COM. Seems like whenever I start FF4 it wants to reload ASK.COM as my default search engine. Tried removing it from the list, but it comes back the next time I open FF.


The only thing I suggest is to ask ASK .COM how to do it ....they are called ASK.COM arnt they...... :D

Plus I havnt even found ASK.COM yet to want to get rid of it....

[Book]

I have not figured out how to get rid of ASK.COM. Seems like whenever I start FF4 it wants to reload ASK.COM as my default search engine. Tried removing it from the list, but it comes back the next time I open FF.


Click on the search icon then select MANAGE SEARCH ENGINES.

[SLV^GLD]

I love FF4. Much improved over FF3. My only complaint was the changes to the status bar which was fixed with an extension called "Status 4 Evar". Everything else was able to be put back where it belonged in a few minutes.

[Ares]

Love FF4, definitely an improvement over FF3. Granted some stuff got moved around just learn the shortcut commands and it won't matter what browser you're using. I dumped FF after 3.0 came out, kept having memory leaks, crashes and general browser lockups. Came back with FF4.

[Cebu_4_2]

been on FF4 Beta for a while now, only thing I don't like is home is far on the right. Not sure what it's like with the general population cause I am still beta.

[Ash_Williams]

I'm not a big fan.

I found add-ons to make it work like 3 (there's an add on to get the status bar back, one to get the back-button dropdown back, etc.)

I don't find it any faster or better in any way. I find it slower actually. The tip they recommend if it runs slow is to get rid of the add-ons. Well I didn't find it particularly fast before I put them in and I put them in to make it usable so that tip can pretty much go suck on a fat one.

I'll be going back to three. Sure, with some effort I could probably make it work as well as three ever did... but what's the point? Developers get all ambitious and redo stuff and always seem to forget that the user just wants it to work, they don't want every update to turn into a project. Other than games, no one really wants to use software to see how cool the software is, the software is just a tool so they can do what they really want to do. The software should interfere as little as possible.

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

Well.. FF4 is my first experience w/ FF at ALL having switched from IE8.

I'm lovin it! took a bit to get used to navigation - but its screamin fast. way better than IE

[still afloat]

Haven't played with FF4 yet but in earlier versions I always altered / edited FF to act the way I want and not just the way they want it to.So unless they changed it in FF4 type in
about:config
in your address bar and hit return , accept the warning .
Keep track of what you edit and have fun .

[DMac]

I've used Firefox for some time now. After trying Chrome (but not being a fan of Google) I realized I really liked the translate function in Chrome.

So now I'm trying Opera 11. It has some pretty cool features, like the optional translate add on.

Thumbs up from me so far:
http://www.opera.com/browser/download/

[sirgonzo420]

I like it ok.

I thought the "pin tab" option would be handy... but Firefox "forgets" your pins every session!

Another quibble I have is the placement of the refresh icon.

[SLV^GLD]

Another quibble I have is the placement of the refresh icon.


Funny, my F5 key never moved when I updated to FF4.
:P

[sirgonzo420]

Another quibble I have is the placement of the refresh icon.


Funny, my F5 key never moved when I updated to FF4.
:P



I must master the keyboard shortcuts...

[gunDriller]

i just upgraded, & i'm using 3.6.10

guess i'll stick with it.

i also like Mozilla Seamonkey. it's the continuation of Netscape 4.79, which i thought was the best revision of Netscape. it has a good email client, USENET reader, and a web editing program. Mozilla adopted Netscape 4.79.

[SLV^GLD]

Another quibble I have is the placement of the refresh icon.


Funny, my F5 key never moved when I updated to FF4.
:P



I must master the keyboard shortcuts...


F5 is refresh in every browser I am aware of.
Backspace goes to previous page in every browser I am aware of.

Keyboard shortcuts are great to learn for most any program because they practically never change along with the UI over time.

[steyr_m]

I use Opera 11, I may check out FF this weekend.

[Half Sense]

been on FF4 Beta for a while now, only thing I don't like is home is far on the right. Not sure what it's like with the general population cause I am still beta.


Easy enough to fix....right-click on the Home icon, select Customize, and ignore the page that pops up. Now drag the Home icon to where you want it, drop it, and click "Done" on the page that popped up.

With FF there's always a way to fix what you don't like.

[Dogman]

At first hated it, but after doing some checking about the changes and fixing them to my taste , I like it better now.
It is faster than the earlier ver I was using. It just took a bit of time and over all that was good because
I did learn a few things about customizing Firefox.

[lapis]

http://www.the-mainboard.com/forum/Smileys/default/popcorn.gif

I used to use FF exclusively, now I'm a Chrome user and reluctant to switch back...but I'll see what the reviews are and maybe give it another chance.

[beefsteak]

Thanks for the tips on "customizing" after hitting HOME icon.

FF4 is NOT easy, and I'll admit I was ticked off at where they "hid" the refresh icon. I'm using Win7 and not a whole lot is "easy to begin with" when changing to Win7. :-\

beefsteak

[PatColo]

Quite the FF update flurry since my OP in May - FF is now v. 6.0.2.

I'm about to dump FF- the following problem has become so chronic, it's becoming unmanageable. This was posted to Mozilla's help page 2 days ago, and only has 3 replies so far,

Firefoxs continually stops responding. It stops at least every 10 minutes and then starts again in a minute or two. (http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/872064?s=not+responding&as=s)


For me, it's every 5-10 mins, FF freezes for around 30-60 seconds, pointer becomes a blue circle animated to look like it's spinning clockwise, bar on top says "Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)", then it unfreezes and everything works fine & zippy again, for another 5-10 mins... hell, it just happened now as I'm here trying to type this message...

It seems to be growing worse, with the delays lasting longer. I'm on a windoze-7 box, 4GB ram, nothing but FF is or has been running since the last reboot a few hours ago. FF cache deleted before last reboot. Also ran ccleaner & "spybot search & destroy" (which indicated no problems) before last reboot. My FF is "all stock", no add-ons etc.

I just had another FF freeze, timed it, was a full minute.... ::):o

Should I delete FF & do a fresh install? I'd prefer not to leap to a whole different browser, with new learning curve-- I just want old, easy, zippy, trouble-free FF back! At least it's heartening to see the other guy @ mozilla support reporting the same problem...

edit: I just opened Task Manager>Processes tab, firefox.exe*32 indicates it's using +/- 615,000K ram

I watched during the next inevitable FF freeze, no meaningful change in ram usage. However the Performance tab, which had shown processor(s) running at ~0-5% while I sat there watching & waiting, cruised at ~25% during the next FF freeze. When FF unfroze, processors dropped back to the former 0-5%. System-ram usage is steady thoughout, ~2.4GB

Here's a 6 day old Mozilla support msg, more replies, one suggesting Java is the prob,

Why is Firefox constantly saying (not responding) in the tab while browsing? (http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/870714?s=not+responding&as=s)


There are constant pauses since updating to Firefox 6. It stops loading pages and says (not responding). This can be up to 10 to 15 seconds each time.
I have disabled add-ons one at a time, and have seen some improvement but it is still happening. Is there another fix? I now only have one add-on and think this is not the solution. From a post an another website, I have heard from others about having this same issue.
Please help!


Edit 2 - updating my Java from Version 6 Update 23 to Version 6 Update 27
it's an 11 MB download, gonna apply now, prolly need to close browser and/or reboot, and then it will take time to assess FF's performance, so posting this now, letcha know,

PS thanks for listening guys! O0;D:p

[Dogman]

Quite the FF update flurry since my OP in May - FF is now v. 6.0.2.

I'm about to dump FF- the following problem has become so chronic, it's becoming unmanageable. This was posted to Mozilla's help page 2 days ago, and only has 3 replies so far,

Firefoxs continually stops responding. It stops at least every 10 minutes and then starts again in a minute or two. (http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/872064?s=not+responding&as=s)


For me, it's every 5-10 mins, FF freezes for around 30-60 seconds, pointer becomes a blue circle animated to look like it's spinning clockwise, bar on top says "Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)", then it unfreezes and everything works fine & zippy again, for another 5-10 mins... hell, it just happened now as I'm here trying to type this message...

It seems to be growing worse, with the delays lasting longer. I'm on a windoze-7 box, 4GB ram, nothing but FF is or has been running since the last reboot a few hours ago. FF cache deleted before last reboot. Also ran ccleaner & "spybot search & destroy" (which indicated no problems) before last reboot. My FF is "all stock", no add-ons etc.

I just had another FF freeze, timed it, was a full minute.... ::):o

Should I delete FF & do a fresh install? I'd prefer not to leap to a whole different browser, with new learning curve-- I just want old, easy, zippy, trouble-free FF back! At least it's heartening to see the other guy @ mozilla support reporting the same problem...

edit: I just opened Task Manager>Processes tab, firefox.exe*32 indicates it's using +/- 615,000K ram

I watched during the next inevitable FF freeze, no meaningful change in ram usage. However the Performance tab, which had shown processor(s) running at ~0-5% while I sat there watching & waiting, cruised at ~25% during the next FF freeze. When FF unfroze, processors dropped back to the former 0-5%. System-ram usage is steady thoughout, ~2.4GB

Here's a 6 day old Mozilla support msg, more replies, one suggesting Java is the prob,

Why is Firefox constantly saying (not responding) in the tab while browsing? (http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/870714?s=not+responding&as=s)



Edit 2 - updating my Java from Version 6 Update 23 to Version 6 Update 27
it's an 11 MB download, gonna apply now, prolly need to close browser and/or reboot, and then it will take time to assess FF's performance, so posting this now, letcha know,

PS thanks for listening guys! O0;D:p

Forgot about this thread, I tried v6 and it sucked big ones and I had the same problems you reported. Here is a link to all the releases , I went back to v5 and things are cool again.

Hope this helps.

http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/download.html?product=firefox-5.0&os=win&lang=en-US

http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all-older.html

ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/

[platinumdude]

I'm on version 3. I guess I will wait to upgrade until they make it good again.

[PatColo]

Forgot about this thread, I tried v6 and it sucked big ones and I had the same problems you reported. Here is a link to all the releases , I went back to v5 and things are cool again.

Hope this helps.

http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/download.html?product=firefox-5.0&os=win&lang=en-US

http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all-older.html

ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/

thanks Dog, I might just go back to the last 3.x version, worked just fine for me in May when Mozilla pissed me off enough with their changing things so dramatically in their v4 release that I started this thread... :)

So you just remove the whole v6 first, then do a fresh install of your chosen older version?

I would like to keep my bookmarks & history, the latter coz the auto-fill feature is one I rely on constantly to find old sites/articles etc which I viewed some time back, but can only remember a part of the title, or domain, - I just type what I remember and it populates instantly, and there's what I'm looking for.

[Celtic Rogue]

I use FF ver. 6 and it works great for me. In regard to the "not responding" thing have you checked for virus/malware running? That could account for a slowing down. Buy you probs have checked that already.

[beefsteak]

Dogman,
THANKS for the link to the prior versions. How the heck did you get into/ find the ftp thingie. You must be an awesome s/w engineer. Smooth move!

It is really great to have that "roll-back, selectivity" option. Seems to me like the troubles started when they went "for speed." Being an oldster, I remember my first modem, an HP laptop with a 2400bps. I thought I was at Indianpolis, it was so fast. LOL

Also, it seems to me that 2 other things need to be simultaneously updated whenever Firefox thinks its time to spring a new version on us. Those 2 are: Java & Adobe Flash Player. I hate that. Adobe FP is so buggy that I postpone updates on the for a minimum of 3 weeks.

RE: Java updates: I learned this week (never saw it before) that I'm supposed to go in and physically remove all prior JSE runtime installs. Did you know that? It is a manual step, not an auto one most of the time, which is one of my pet peeves. If they are going to mess with it by doing their ill-advised "update" routine, the least they can do is carry out the trash, right?

PatColo,
Isn't Auto-fill feature a checked box option on your control panel? It is on mine. Or at least that's where I think it is. I had to go back and turn it on again the other day. Darned Microsoft.

The other thing that bugs me about these 3 concurrent downloads cycle that Firefox is ALWAYS initiating is this...
Not only am I getting the hesitation, blue circle swirling thingy, but I'm also being required to click 2 or 3 times in order to just get anywhere after each update. I hate that! Makes me wonder if the firefox boys in the backroom actually use this stuff in the real world, or are so insulated they are messing with us vis a vis some browsing software that is even more archane? All I know is that updating firefox all the time trying to reach warp speed is just about the worst job security justification I can fathom.


beefsteak

[Errosion Of Accord]

For the record I tried the new FF for one day and went back to the old. They made features (which ones I can't remember) disappear and completely wrecked the way I navigated the web. I was pretty disgusted with some of the stupidity they added.

[PatColo]

thanks for the replies.

Update: Java update made no diff in this FF issue.

today I DL'd FF 3.622, and installed - kept the FF v6 one there, as I figured if they could coexist under different program directories, then I could later figure out how to import bookmarks & history.

Installed v3.6 in its own directory. Went to that directory and launched firefox.exe. What opened? v6 !?!? So I said okay, it's seeing v6 there on the hd and unilaterally overriding my intention to open v3, not v6. So, I uninstall v6, figure I'm kissing bookmarks & history g'bye. In the uninstall program an option asks if it should remove my add-ons & personal prefs. I say no... just to see what happens.

I return to the FF3 directory and launch again. To my pleasure, v3 launches, and it's got all my bookmarks/history, and get this: when it launched, it also restored the several dozen pages/tabs I had open in v6 when I last killed it and deleted the program!

Now the bad news, and it's pretty bad: the "Not Responding" problem is still there, IN FORCE. :o

FF v3 doesn't last 10 secs and/or a couple clicks, before freezing, and the freeze lasts well over a minute. totally unusable. I'm unhappily writing this from MS IE, which has sat fallow on my laptop since I initially opened it and DL'ed FF when the laptop was new.

A stock copy of FF v3.622 is "known good", so...?? Last thing I can think of to try is, now delete FFv3, tell it to delete add-ons(recall I have none) & personal prefs on its way out; then reinstall v3 again, where it doesn't import any remnants of the previous FF installations.

I'll do that after I eat, & get back to ya'll!

[Errosion Of Accord]

I don't think it's the new/old install. IMHO you have something else that has blown up.

[PatColo]

Last thing I can think of to try is, now delete FFv3, tell it to delete add-ons(recall I have none) & personal prefs on its way out; then reinstall v3 again, where it doesn't import any remnants of the previous FF installations.

^^^ okay did that, and the new 'clean' FF 3.622 seems to be stable so far, no freeze sessions. So it seems there was something in those remnants of v6 which I formerly imported?

I should add re my claim that my old v6 had no add-ons - there were no add-ons which I consented to, as I never voluntarily installed any add-ons to FF, not in v6 nor in any prior versions which FF has been "upgrading" from over these recent months.

Thing was, I went to double check on that "no add-ons" assumption when I was trouble shooting v6, it's gone now but I think it was under the 'options' menu, and I selected "add-ons", but then it went to mozilla's add-on website touting all their wonderful add-ons - when I was interested in finding out what if any add-ons were installed on my FF, which would have had to happen without my consent. I couldn't find a menu item anywhere, like "add-on manager" or some such... so I really can't guarantee that there wasn't some retarded/malicious add-on installed which may have been causing the grief in v6, then imported to v3 causing the grief even more intensely. I did think of this when I had the former v3 installed with imported remnants, and I thought to give that v3's menus a search for an "add-on manager" so I could check what if any add-ons were there; but that v3 was so badly compromised, I couldn't even get to a given drop-down menu to open to search around, when it would go into frozen mode again, and these were lasting a couple mins! It was that bad! So I said f-this, killed the old v3 in task-manager, & removed including personal remnants, and reinstalled this current 'clean' v3. It appears completely stable so far.

[PatColo]

I don't think it's the new/old install. IMHO you have something else that has blown up.

not according to a couple posters in this thread already, plus check these mozilla support threads:
Why is Firefox constantly saying (not responding) in the tab while browsing? (http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/870714?s=not+responding&as=s)
... and notice where below the question, it says: '75 people have this problem'.

and this thread, same issue,
(https://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/869827?s=%28not+responding%29&as=s)Since updating to 6.0 and then to 6.0.1, I have frequent "not responding" errors lasting as long as 30+ seconds. (https://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/869827?s=%28not+responding%29&as=s)
''135 people have this problem"



I use FF ver. 6 and it works great for me. In regard to the "not responding" thing have you checked for virus/malware running? That could account for a slowing down. Buy you probs have checked that already.

What OS? as I said I'm on win-7.

[Celtic Rogue]

I am using Win7

[Ares]

I'm also on Windows 7 and have FF 6.0.2 and don't experience this issue.

[gunDriller]

Thanks for the heads up
I didn't update yet, figured I let them work out the kinks and complaints

yeah, thanks for the heads-up.

looks like i'm sticking with version 3.6.2.8.9.iv.A.@@@ ... or WHATEVER it's called.

[joboo]

go to oldapps.com

grab the latest 3.something as mozilla is still updating it.

I've tried FF 5,6,7, and all those versions hang like crazy on a lot of web pages. Might be a plugin issue, but I can't be bothered to fuck with it all day to find out, and I'm keeping my plugins regardless.

I'll use what works for the sake seeing of a higher version number.

[Bigjon]

Opera is the answer. lol

[PatColo]

so FF is up to v 20.0.1 now- it's been auto updating without asking me. I believe it was the past 2 days sometime that it updated to this current. Most notable change I see is the "Downloads" window is bigger with more features. For one thing- yawl know I'm an MP3 podcast fiend, and I noticed I can now drag a new MP3 straight from the FF Downloads window, to my MP3 player's file directory. Used to be I had to right-click the MP3 in the FF downloads window, Open Containing Folder, and from there do the drag and drop. So that's an improvement.

So then adobe flash player is nagging me to update, which I did a few hours ago. Misery has ensued. I'm lucky if a youtube plays 30 seconds before the sound abruptly stops as the video still plays. I have to pause the vid & restart, and it resumes again with sound... for another 1/2 minute or whatever random time, then repeat.

Don't know if FF or Flash Player is the problem, but they better fix this and quick! :(

Meanwhile, if running FF, and adobe nags you to update--- DON'T DO IT! Wait til this is resolved! (if you watch many YTs)

[gunDriller]

Opera is the answer. lol

Opera is part of the answer.

i have Seamonkey (another Mozilla ware, basically Netscape 4.79 transitioned to the public domain), Firefox, Explorer, Safari, Chrome, and Opera.

i like the way Bookmarks are handled in Seamonkey.


personally i would say, the browser has improved Zero since 14 years ago. sure they've upgraded Flash plug-ins etc.


Netscape 4.79 did everything - bookmarks, email, newsgroups, web page editing.

Seamonkey is similar.


one thing that did impress me is Chrome's handling of HTML5. it comes in handy for playing videos encoded using Camtasia - on Windows Vista 32.

they all come in handy, even Explorer.

[PatColo]

On FF 43.0.4 now; and I've noticed often FF slows pretty quickly when I've got a dozen/whatever tabs open, despite no other apps running and/or recent reboot with CCleaner enema. It'll drag in switching tabs, right-click menu items, etc. I haven't paid attention to whether the HD is grinding away much while FF isn't doing anything?

Oz-based "Shaun Surplus" rants:




Firefox the Spying Dog (http://tctaunleashed.com/2016/01/11/firefox-the-spying-dog/)


For many years now I’ve been using Firefox. The browser of course. And for those of you that have solid state hard drives, you might not know what is going on behind the scenes when it comes to Firefox.


Being a computer repairman, I have many computers in my household. Some with solid-state some with normal hard drives.


When you are using a solid-state drive, the access is so quick that you don’t even notice it happening. So when you load a program or you load up some text or even some music, you’ll barely notice any hard drive grind, so to speak. This is because solid-state do not have any moving parts.


The old magnetic drives contain moving parts, rotating disks, moving arms, so on and so forth.


So if there is a malicious program that is accessing your hard drive way too much for reasons unknown to you, you would never know it if you’re using a solid-state drive. But if you happen to be using one of the old drives with moving parts, drives that are so much slower than solid-state, it’s easy to see just how much access and grind the drives are going through.


The new version of Firefox on some of my older computers is grinding my hard drives to pieces. And I want to know why?


There is no reason that a browser should be accessing a hard drive so excessively as Firefox is.


I’ve been into computing since I was nine years of age. I know my shit. I’ve cleared the cache and gone through all those different processes that one would normally go through to make perfectly sure everything is okay. But it’s not okay!


What are you up to Firefox? We all know that you’ve been working for Google (joogle) and we definitely know that you’ve been sucking the Wikipedia’s dick. So what indeed are you up to?


Ladies and gentlemen, Firefox is acting exactly like a piece of malware, spyware and or a virus. You may not be able to notice it because many of you are using solid-state drives. I can notice it however because some of my older computers are using the older drives with moving parts. And my hard drives are grind, grind, grind.


So again I ask you Firefox, what the fuck are you up to, and why are you harvesting private information from our hard disks, because it’s obvious to me, that this is the ONLY reason my HD would be accessed so much, given you are who you are and you are sucking the cocks of the kike hierarchy?


Be aware of who you trust Ladies and Gents.


I’ve now turned to Opera browser and I have to say, it’s lightning fast, albeit a little hard to get used to.


Stay Cool.


SS.



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January 11, 2016 at 5:02 pm (http://tctaunleashed.com/2016/01/11/firefox-the-spying-dog/#comment-1167)
Hey Shaun. Which OS and which version of Firefox? Do you have the Flash plugin enabled? That is a monstrosity. I’m running Firefox 43.04 in a variant of Arch Linux on this laptop. There are 8 Firefox windows open and 107 tabs in total. Flash plugin is disabled and the UnloadTab addon is installed (very handy for reducing memory/CPU usage). I have several other programs open, yet the current CPU load is extremely low and there does not seem to be any unusual I/O activity coming from Firefox when I run iotop. In unscientific observation, there seems to be more activity from Chromium 47 with 1 window / 19 tabs and Opera 34 with 1 window / 4 tabs.
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January 14, 2016 at 9:13 am (http://tctaunleashed.com/2016/01/11/firefox-the-spying-dog/#comment-1171)
Yeah it seems to be working fine with or without flash in Linux, but in Windows, I’m not the only one experiencing this it seems. I trust Firefox as much as I trust the open doors in Windows 10.
We have to remember too, that it’s harder for software to fuck with us in Linux, because of all the safe guards. Which is with Windows, not so hard to screw us over. Even sometimes within the Open Source arena.
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[vacuum]

This version of firefox is pretty good. It strips out all the crap.

http://torproject.org/

It will anonymize your browsing, but warming: don't sign into anything personal with it. The exit nodes are sniffing your traffic. It's best to use it to just view news articles and stuff. It might also be slow at times because it is routing your traffic through 3 layers of proxies.

[Jewboo]

On FF 43.0.4 now; and I've noticed often FF slows pretty quickly when I've got a dozen/whatever tabs open, despite no other apps running and/or recent reboot with CCleaner enema. It'll drag in switching tabs, right-click menu items, etc. I haven't paid attention to whether the HD is grinding away much while FF isn't doing anything?


FF 43.0.4 with NoScript is very snappy for me. I regularly use CCleaner. Disable "Indexing" in the Windows Control Panel to stop excessive useless hd read/writes. "FlushDNS" also at least monthly. I assume you DEFRAG your hard drive at least weekly...lol.

:D

[Glass]

I had the same issues a couple months back. The development team keep including very intrusive features that do their own thing and no way to disable them easily. In many cases you need to install an add-on to disable the thing the FF team incorporated.... .usually something no one actually wants.

The other not so good aspect since 4X + is that the developers can launch browser alerts and also tamper with your start page. The last time I updated FF I was getting a ton of SPAM from the developers and no way to turn off. I complained loudly and many people picked up on it. After 24 hours the SPAM stopped. However people say that it is set to turn off after 48 hours anyway so I don't know if they stopped doing it or it just timed out.

FF is very memory intensive. I find each instance of the browser uses 500MB oF RAM. So if you have 3 windows open you are looing at 1.5Gb in FF alone. Its a very poorly developed engine these days. Very bloated and intrusive.

I also abandoned FF and went to Opera. I played around with that for a while but then I discovered that it was the Google Chrome engine in the guts of it now which basically means it's spyware. So that had to go. Back on with FF and since I've been able to hack the tabs and start screen and the Mozilla development team SPAM and a few other things they ruined, it's what I am using.

The world desperately needs another browser platform. One that is not based on any other browser engine or one that picks up from where the old FF platform finished.

[Cebu_4_2]

Disable "Indexing" in the Windows Control Panel to stop excessive useless hd read/writes.
:D

What? How? Where?

[PatColo]

^ ditto "FlushDNS", I searched Control Panel & entered in start menu command line, came up blank.

I haven't gotten in the habit of running defrag; it's been a year with this laptop HD and haven't run it. Guess I'll do that before I sleep next; IIRC it takes hours and if you try to use the comp during, it's a major drag on things. Or was that scandisk? lol :D

[Glass]

yes indexing should be disabled as one of the first things you do with a computer. Microsoft is uploading the results so it makes sense.

flushdns is a command line "command". It is a switch for ipconfig.

disabling scripts is also a good idea, however most web pages won't work as expected, some not at all

uninstalling flash player is also a good idea. Flash would be one of the poorest examples of efficient and secure software code. I think flash is what chews up my memory - makes Firefox use so much RAM. On one of my systems the FF container always crashes the windows audio applet when I have been using flash and I close the window.

Uninstalling flash will break most web sites using flash, even though html 5.0 supports video playback. So Youtube will still work but many web sites that are only using the flash container and not html 5.0 equivelant code will not work. So most news web sites you won't be able to play the video, however many independent news sites are ok. Not using flash or YT players but Vimeo and others.

[PatColo]

44.0.2 now.

Anyone know what happened to: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/startup-home-page-tabs-download-settings?redirectlocale=en-US&as=u&redirectslug=Options+window+-+General+panel&utm_source=inproduct#w_tabs






Warn me when closing multiple tabs: When you close a window with multiple tabs, Firefox will ask you to confirm your choice. This prevents you from accidentally closing the whole window when you intended to only close the current tab. Uncheck this optionpreference to disable this warning and have Firefox automatically close the window.




The "Tabs" area is there on the Options/General page; but the above option is missing! :( Four items are there, but not that one! I wouldn't have noticed, but I noticed FF stopped warning before X-ing out the whole program, multiple tabs and all. The program just closes, no questions asked! I "accidentally" close out the whole FF all the time, and that "Warn me when..." msg has saved me! but not now! I can only guess this is an oversight/bug in 44.0.2, coz their own Help page pretends like the item is there!

Startpage: Warn me when closing multiple tabs Firefox (https://startpage.com/do/search?cmd=process_search&cat=web&query=Warn+me+when+closing+multiple+tabs+Firefox&language=english&no_sugg=1&ff=&abp=-1&nj=1) only yields older articles, pre 44.0.2

Separately, one little item I noticed when searching for the above "warn me..." item; is found in Advanced > Data Choices. It's "Enable Firefox Health Report", explained as "Helps you understand your browser performance and shares data with Mozilla about your browser health"; which I found conveniently pre-selected for me, :D as I would never self-select that.



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So I un-selected that of course-- just coz I use FF, doesn't mean I trust them! >:D

I also un-selected the auto-update option (Advanced > Update), reducing it to "...let me choose when to install them", for exactly the "let 'em work the bugs out first" reason which I'm writing about here.

But then consider, when I started this thread a few years ago; I rolled back to FF 3.x again, and set it to the "don't update and don't nag me!" option. But FF forcibly overrode that at some point within the next few months; as I fired up FF one day and found it "conveniently updated" to their latest. :( Big part of why I don't trust 'em. >:D



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