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Glass
23rd May 2011, 04:35 PM
I thought this was an interesting angle. Something I've considered a couple of times. That they want to default. The issue is, what is going to replace the existing Govt when that happens.


David Stockman: "Both Parties And The White House Are Advocating A US Default"
Last week David Stockman was on Tom Keene, making the usual media rounds (sometimes we marvel at his patience and endurance), as one of the few voices of fiscal prudence available to TV producers who seek to hold a balanced debate on the topic of US insolvency. Today, Reagan's budget director was again on Bloomberg TV explaining the reality of the situation to Matt Miller for the nth time (by now even a 2 year old will understand the cul-de-sac facing the US), although presenting a new spin on the situation, namely that we have gotten to a point where both parties are implicitly pushing for a US default, while though their inability to reach a political compromise, blaming each other for this inevitable outcome. "The real problem is the de facto policy of both parties is default. When the Republicans say no tax increases, they're saying we want the U.S. government to default. Because there isn't enough political will in this country to solve the problem even halfway on spending cuts. When the Democrats say you can't touch Social Security, when you have Obama sponsoring a war budget for defense that is even bigger than Bush, then I say the policy of the White House is default as well...That is the question that really needs to be understood better and appraised by the bond market. Both parties are advocating default even as they point the finger at each other."

From Zerohedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/david-stockman-both-parties-and-white-house-are-advocating-us-default)

Plastic
23rd May 2011, 04:59 PM
The issue is, what is going to replace the existing Govt when that happens.


A knesset.

Horn
23rd May 2011, 05:19 PM
The issue is, what is going to replace the existing Govt when that happens.


A knesset.


Apparently Moody's of London has something up its sleeves.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/usofa%27s-fico-score/msg230590/#msg230590

General of Darkness
23rd May 2011, 05:37 PM
CUE a love song ;D

"This is my world
This is who I am
And I'm not gonna give up myself
To make your life better"

Says TPTB to us serfs. Basically, go get fucked.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXc4FaXGb-Q&feature=related

Jazkal
23rd May 2011, 06:52 PM
I don't think they are advocating a 'policy of default', much much it is a 'policy of stick your head in the sand'.

Cobalt
23rd May 2011, 07:21 PM
I don't think they are advocating a 'policy of default', much much it is a 'policy of stick your head in the sand'.


And blame the other guy

Buster
23rd May 2011, 07:29 PM
It is just a concerted effort by all the actors to drive as much fear into the population as possible. The goal is to see how much they can move assets from stocks and commodities into US government bonds. Diverting government pensions to pay the shortfall is a desensitizing exercise as well.

Why force action when you can induce it by other means?

There will be a "save" at some time in the near future and the Fed will process the data.

Mice in a maze.

Hatha Sunahara
23rd May 2011, 07:55 PM
I don't think they are advocating a 'policy of default', much much it is a 'policy of stick your head in the sand'.


Sticking your head in the sand is a policy of default. There is no way of avoiding a default. It can only be delayed. That seems to be Bernanke's job. QE3 should delay a default for a little while longer. A hyperinflation would be a default while they have their heads in the sand. A de-facto default will come when they cannot get enough tax revenue to pay the interest on the national debt.

Hatha

Bullion_Bob
23rd May 2011, 08:20 PM
:P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR1Mmxr2Cb4

ShortJohnSilver
23rd May 2011, 08:31 PM
Stockman is both right and wrong.

Wrong in that the source of the problems are two Ponzi schemes: The Fed usury-connected money scheme and the SS pyramid scheme.

Wrong in that higher taxes will not solve things.

Right in that neither party is equipped mentally or "spiritually" in the sense of moral values, to deal with this.

ximmy
23rd May 2011, 08:33 PM
:P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR1Mmxr2Cb4


that was rather disturbing...

Bullion_Bob
23rd May 2011, 09:45 PM
"Both parties are advocating default even as they point the finger at each other."

I nominate this as the theme song to the govt getting together and pointing fingers at each over money.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3qbB4Kq3Y0

Glass
23rd May 2011, 10:25 PM
"Both parties are advocating default even as they point the finger at each other."

I nominate this as the theme song to the govt getting together and pointing fingers at each over money.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3qbB4Kq3Y0


I love the sound of a banjo and those kids can crank out a tune. I noticed the millenium falcon model on the bed side table. They got a few other tunes on the YT if you like that kind of thing.

ShortJohnSilver
24th May 2011, 04:53 AM
Love the taxidermied fox behind the kid with the violin - nice touch!

Son-of-Liberty
24th May 2011, 06:53 AM
:P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR1Mmxr2Cb4


that was rather disturbing...


Good for a laugh this morning. :ROFL: