Feds to Mandate Black Box on all New Cars

[Ares]

Editor's Note: See, the Patriot Act did create innovative technology. Congress says let's keep the surveillance-industrial complex strong for at least another 4 years.

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The feds will mandate next month that all new cars be fitted with a black box, according to news reports. So-called black boxes record information about speed, seat belt use and brake application.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has been involved in the use of black boxes since their introduction. In 2006, the safety administration encouraged but did not require automobile manufacturers to install the systems and also did not set a single standard for the way data would be recorded, according to the New York Times.

In February, NHTSA administrator David Strickland said the government was considering making the technology mandatory in the wake of recalls of millions of Toyota vehicles. Strickland made the disclosure to a subcommittee hearing by the House Committee on Energy and Commerce.

Now they will make the installation of these device mandatory under federal law. If we are to gauge the reaction of the corporate media, this story is not very important. Outside of industry and technology publications, the story was not reported.

Computer chip manufacturer Intel showed off its event recorder last year following the Toyota recall. “With new vehicles, there will very likely be video cameras inside and outside,” said Intel’s chief technology office, Justin Rattner, in a July, 2010, interview. “It’s not particularly new or stunning, but when you combine the cameras with GPS, you’re geo-tagging the video.”

In other words, your car – like your smart phone – may soon become a surveillance device and high-tech snooping will be mandated by the federal government.

http://www.infowars.com/feds-to-mandate-black-box-on-all-new-cars/

[Twisted Titan]

BUT WE CANT GET THE BLACK BOXES FROM 9/11 RIGHT?

JUST CHECKING FOR CONSISTENCY

[Ponce]

Used cars will be sold like gold......... the laws are broken because the government create them to be broken.

The more laws that are created, the more laws that will be broken, the more money that the government will make.

[SHTF2010]

i expect some new " safety " tv commercials to come out touting these black boxes

a car goes over a 200 cliff
the rescue crew brings out the bodies the next day
the familys estate gets the bill

[gunDriller]

BUT WE CANT GET THE BLACK BOXES FROM 9/11 RIGHT?

JUST CHECKING FOR CONSISTENCY


they were destroyed in the ... oh wait ... well, they're just not available ... for national security reasons.

1/2 the time, whenever the US says something can't be talked about for national security reasons, they are referring to the national security of Israel.


i wonder what happens when you disconnect the surveillance box with the cute innocuous high-tech name.

[Cebu_4_2]

i wonder what happens when you disconnect the surveillance box with the cute innocuous high-tech name.



I can guarantee it will be tied into the ECM and the car will not run without it. This is another example of invasion of privacy, even though you pay for something and supposedly own it big brother is watching you.

[iOWNme]

Learn to work on your own car. It is just as important as gardening, IMO.

The reason i state this, is 99.9% of the reason people buy a 'new' car, is because they have been told their old car is junk.

I own 6 vehicles. all paid for. all run great. all are worth value when i need it. Much better than keeping around worthless paper.....

[ShortJohnSilver]

Note markings "2004 GMC Envoy" --NOW you know why GM was bailed out, among other reasons.

[Cobalt]

Hell, they could tie it into the GPS mapping system and if you are on a road marked for 35 mph and are doing 40 mph a ticket could be delivered to your smart phone inbox, just think of how much it will save not having to install those cameras on poles :oo-->

[Twisted Titan]

I JUST PICKED UP A LG GX2 ANDRIOD

HOLY SMOKES THAT PHONE SCARES THE BEJESUS OUT ME.

IM ON IT RIGHT NOW AS MY LAPTOP CRASHED

WHAT I DID NOTICE IS MOST APPPICATONS YOU PAY FOR BUT I HAVE AT LEAST 7 APS THAT HAVE GPS ATTACHED TO IT THAT CAME FOR " FREE"

I CAN TOTALLY SEE THE TICKET TO INBOX UNFOLDING IN SEVERAL YEARS.......IF THAT

[oldmansmith]

F worrying about a ticket, think about a predator drone attack...

[undgrd]

I'm waiting for the phones that are powered on Kinetic Energy like a watch.

[SHTF2010]

I JUST PICKED UP A LG GX2 ANDRIOD

HOLY SMOKES THAT PHONE SCARES THE BEJESUS OUT ME.




i wonder if the " ANDROID " name is prophetic

instead of ID cards, everyone gets a FREE cellphone ( with GPS tracking and personal info )


YOUR CELLPHONE PLEASE

http://www.anunews.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/aa-police-state-your-papers-please-excellent-one.jpg

[Shami-Amourae]

How can they keep growing government at this rate? I mean wont they just run out of money and be forced to cut back? When does it finally end?

[Bullion_Bob]

If I remember correctly the black boxes only record about 10 seconds of data in order to work out what happened just before an accident, as people often lie about how fast they were going, and whether or not they braked before the time of impact.

[General of Darkness]

Well another reason to not buy a new car.

[BabushkaLady]

They can keep their black boxes!! It may be a while before I get a newer vehicle.

I'm only on 221,000 miles---my last Jeep went to 369,000. :D

[ximmy]

They can keep their black boxes!! It may be a while before I get a newer vehicle.

I'm only on 221,000 miles---my last Jeep went to 369,000. :D


I want to get an old truck like Kos :)

[Ponce]

My little old Toy pick up is now 20 years old......love it ;D

[gunDriller]

I'm waiting for the phones that are powered on Kinetic Energy like a watch.


i'm waiting for the phones that offer service for $10 a month, & $100 a year for the dial-up Internet connection - like in San Diego in 2003. admittedly, that was a land-line.

or $25 a month for phone + DSL - as in Canada with Telus.

if equipment costs are going down, why are phone company prices going up ?

"because our medical costs are going up".


i would love to see a nationwide boycott of any cell-phone service costing more than $20 a month.

[solid]

This sucks, and scares the piss out of me.

Folks with the older vehicles...don't worry, in the future, in order to register your vehicle you'll have to upgrade and have one installed. Don't worry, the cost will only be a $100 or so to give up your freedom to drive without being watched the whole time.

I do not look forward to the future in America, day by day..we lose an inch here and there.

[Bullion_Bob]

It's only a 5 second snapshot of when you're driving at any given time. It records in a loop, and only holds 5 seconds at any given time.

Honestly I don;t see this as a bad thing, as there are some really lousy drivers out there that can't drive worth sh*t, and often exceed their cars handling capabilities, then they smash into people, and kill people and lie about it.

Doesn't seem like too bad of an idea to me.

I've had two cars totaled now while I was stopped, and having people slam into me. The last one I had to get dragged into court as the person tried to lie their way out of it.

Pull my black box data, yeap he was stopped. End of story. To me it seems like a time saver to all involved for crappy drivers who like to lie for being bad drivers.

It's for accidents.

[Bullion_Bob]

If your car has air bags, you already have one. Without them the whole airbags concept no worky.

edit: It only saves the last 5 seconds if you're in an accident...i.e. the air bags deploy. If you turn the car off...there's no data to see.

[ShortJohnSilver]

Computer RAM chips keep doubling in capacity for the same price, every few years ... so the 5 seconds becomes 10, 20 seconds, then last 5 minutes, etc.

Imagine getting pulled over for a traffic ticket and the cop pulls out his smartphone with a weird cable on it... he says, you are going to jail unless you let me pull the last 5 minutes of black box data ... what are you going to do?

[Bullion_Bob]

Ha! Let them take this 5sec snapshot guys, it's ok, it'll never get any worse than that!

Baby steps, Bob. Baby steps.


It's to allow the air bag system to work. It needs a time line in order to establish a crash scenario above base line so the airbags don't pop in your face on a fluke.

Outside of the sample period to allow the airbags to function is another reality altogether, and would need justification above the air bag feature.

Until someone comes up with an airbag system that is psychic I suppose, or offer cars without airbags if people protest enough, or a switch to simply turn it off.

[Bullion_Bob]

Computer RAM chips keep doubling in capacity for the same price, every few years ... so the 5 seconds becomes 10, 20 seconds, then last 5 minutes, etc.

Imagine getting pulled over for a traffic ticket and the cop pulls out his smartphone with a weird cable on it... he says, you are going to jail unless you let me pull the last 5 minutes of black box data ... what are you going to do?


That will never fly, and is an entirely different scenario altogether. What you're describing is full on surveillance society police state.

Maybe the cop can just rubber glove you on the side of the road at that point as well, after planting cocaine, or just shoot people at random instead of ticketing them because they ran out of donuts.

If it gets to the point you're describing anything can become reality. They would need a reason to justify why air bags need more than 5 seconds of data to function in the event of an accident, and they can only get it if you're in an accident, as it's not saved during normal driving.

At present cop has 5 seconds to connect to your car as when you're stopped talking to him you're going zero mph.

The police would have allow you zero free speech, and get straight to the car, even if they made the buffer 20 times what it is now, or hope you don't simply shut off the engine.

[Mouse]

Ha! Let them take this 5sec snapshot guys, it's ok, it'll never get any worse than that!

Baby steps, Bob. Baby steps.


It's to allow the air bag system to work. It needs a time line in order to establish a crash scenario above base line so the airbags don't pop in your face on a fluke.

Outside of the sample period to allow the airbags to function is another reality altogether, and would need justification above the air bag feature.

Until someone comes up with an airbag system that is psychic I suppose, or offer cars without airbags if people protest enough, or a switch to simply turn it off.



Can you please quote some backing for this?

I have a car that has airbags and it relies simply on sensors that indicate an impact. I don't think that I would want to be driving a car that decides I hammered the brakes too hard and thus deploys the airbags, when I might just be running an auto-cross or something. I think your facts are incorrect and that the black box is for the purpose of forensics for whatever corporate or state interests may be involved.

The older computers would log codes for aberrant sensor information from engine or transmission, etc. These cars had air bags (90's cars). They theoretically didn't have any volatile memory, it was all hard coded chips.

The newer computers, who knows... but clearly this black box crap is not going to be something you want in your car. It is absolutely unnecessary for you to prove that at the time someone rear-ended your car that you were sitting at a complete stop, or doing 80 mph. The person that hit you is liable and a rear-ender is pretty damn clear evidence of fault.

If you want to know that I was doing 130MPH in the 30 seconds before there was a loss of traction around a curve and my car went off the road, and that the abs was pulsing and car was doing 70 when it ceased data input, than you are an insurance company or a state agent. There is no reason for this technology other than to spy on you for corp or state gain. Add that to GPS and you are very safely within the control grid.

This has NOTHING to do with safety devices, or safety.

[Bullion_Bob]

Ha! Let them take this 5sec snapshot guys, it's ok, it'll never get any worse than that!

Baby steps, Bob. Baby steps.


It's to allow the air bag system to work. It needs a time line in order to establish a crash scenario above base line so the airbags don't pop in your face on a fluke.

Outside of the sample period to allow the airbags to function is another reality altogether, and would need justification above the air bag feature.

Until someone comes up with an airbag system that is psychic I suppose, or offer cars without airbags if people protest enough, or a switch to simply turn it off.



Can you please quote some backing for this?

I have a car that has airbags and it relies simply on sensors that indicate an impact. I don't think that I would want to be driving a car that decides I hammered the brakes too hard and thus deploys the airbags, when I might just be running an auto-cross or something. I think your facts are incorrect and that the black box is for the purpose of forensics for whatever corporate or state interests may be involved.

The older computers would log codes for aberrant sensor information from engine or transmission, etc. These cars had air bags (90's cars). They theoretically didn't have any volatile memory, it was all hard coded chips.

The newer computers, who knows... but clearly this black box crap is not going to be something you want in your car. It is absolutely unnecessary for you to prove that at the time someone rear-ended your car that you were sitting at a complete stop, or doing 80 mph. The person that hit you is liable and a rear-ender is pretty damn clear evidence of fault.

If you want to know that I was doing 130MPH in the 30 seconds before there was a loss of traction around a curve and my car went off the road, and that the abs was pulsing and car was doing 70 when it ceased data input, than you are an insurance company or a state agent. There is no reason for this technology other than to spy on you for corp or state gain. Add that to GPS and you are very safely within the control grid.

This has NOTHING to do with safety devices, or safety.





What if you have a faulty air bag sensor? How does the car know you went from 50 mph to 30? It needs some kind of memory to compare past speed to present speed, and make a decision.

The point I'm making is people lie all the time in accidents. They make outrageous claims, and drag everyone into court, and waste everone's time.

[Bullion_Bob]

I think the paranoia on this one is firmly in out there tinfoil territory. This black box thing has been out for over a decade now, and suddenly it's a tradegy of epic proportions Alex Jones style.

::)

[Awoke]

F worrying about a ticket, think about a predator drone attack...


Coming soon: BioDrones retro-fitted with tazers and testosterone.

EDIT - err, wait: We already have those, but we call them cops.

[Cobalt]

Ha! Let them take this 5sec snapshot guys, it's ok, it'll never get any worse than that!

Baby steps, Bob. Baby steps.


It's to allow the air bag system to work. It needs a time line in order to establish a crash scenario above base line so the airbags don't pop in your face on a fluke.

Outside of the sample period to allow the airbags to function is another reality altogether, and would need justification above the air bag feature.

Until someone comes up with an airbag system that is psychic I suppose, or offer cars without airbags if people protest enough, or a switch to simply turn it off.











I believe my Toyota has a simple inertia switch, any deceleration over a certain preset amount triggers the airbag.

[JDRock]

as long as the internet is free there will be someone telling us how to bypass the damn thing. :CS

[Ponce]

I have a viewer monitor in each of my cars that goes in a 1.5 hour loop but can stop & go when you want to.........ever sinse I was blamed for an accident in 2001 I turn them on when ever I now drive.