Feds threaten Texas with No-Fly Zone - seriously!

[midnight rambler]

I am without words, except to say what a hoot. Just when ya think things cannot get anymore absurd, the Feds show you they can extend the absurdity scale.

http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2011/05/24/feds-issue-threat-no-fly-zone-for-texas/

[Neuro]

The federal government feel its authority is threatened, and feels entitled to use anything in its might to stop it. Seriously this could in extension lead to civil war! Probably a few years away at this point...

[7th trump]

The federal government is only protecting ITS SUBJECTS just as the People told them to do.

Until Americans understand that the 14th created a jurisdiction of citizens where the government is master over them nothing much is going to happen to change it.
The only way I can possible see any kind of change in the right direction is the colored people have to be informed they were never free. The end of the Civil War didnt free the slave negroes or make any Chineese an equal to the white man having access to each and everyone of the Bill of Rights. All the Civil War did was change who was legally now master over the still yet slave negroes.
The negroe is the answer to this dillemma. The negroe must raise to understanding and demand equal opportunity to the Bill of Rights as any white man in this country before the 14th amendment is repealed.
Until then its all wishful thinking!
The negroe is going to have to riot in the streets to make this happen and that means for them to get off their lazy food stamp asses and being responsible for themselves.

[Ares]

For now, it appears that the U.S. Attorney’s threat has realized its goal; the sponsor of the Texas bill has decided to concede defeat in this battle, but remains committed to fighting the war. “I will pull HB 1937 down, but I will stand for liberty in the state of Texas,” said Senator Dan Patrick, the bill’s sponsor. As such, as of right now, the bill has died.

Don't mess with Texas eh? :oo-->

[Dogman]

;D HeHeHe I hope other states will stick pins into the Fed's Frankenstein offspring the tsa. Make them howl and bitch! What the tsa is doing is brain dead and power grabbing in the stupid way they do business. They are like a boil on the peoples collective ass's, a boil always starts out like a small pimple and not noticed, grows bigger and bigger with the pain it causes ramping up at a logarithmic rate. This boil on the peoples ass's has not come yet to a head, but give it time! Then as all boils go, the people will have to lance the boil to relieve them selfs from the pain and make the sob heal.



Edit: I did not like lancing, myself when younger, liked the heat and squeeze method! Hurt like a sob! But when they pop, the relief was immediate and kinda cool with all of the blood and junk that would come out! ;D

But with the tsa squeezing is not an option! We need to drive a stake/knife thru its heart!

[sirgonzo420]

Wow.


That sucks that Texas as a State is a big pussy.

This dude is rolling over in his grave:

http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/people/images/houston.jpg

[ShortJohnSilver]

What's interesting is that the Feds are basically ADMITTING the TSA searches are in violation of the Constitution.

[mick silver]

i never thought i would see texas lay down and play died

[Dogman]

oop's did not see that they pulled the bill, that was not reported in my paper or local news, but I am sure the fight is not over, time will tell. Wonder what strings were pulled behind the curtain?
Still stand by my other post! ;D

[Son-of-Liberty]

unreal

[jimswift]

the 14th created a jurisdiction of citizens


That's what I pretty much tell folks when trying to explain. The 13th "freed" the black slaves and then the 14th enslaved everyone.

[gunDriller]

For now, it appears that the U.S. Attorney’s threat has realized its goal; the sponsor of the Texas bill has decided to concede defeat in this battle, but remains committed to fighting the war. “I will pull HB 1937 down, but I will stand for liberty in the state of Texas,” said Senator Dan Patrick, the bill’s sponsor. As such, as of right now, the bill has died.

Don't mess with Texas eh? :oo-->


one of the reasons Kennedy was killed in Texas is because Texans hated Kennedy.

Texans don't like being told what to do.

a confrontation between the US gov. & Texas, that would be interesting. many Texans will side with Texas.

maybe it will get violent & that will be REALLY interesting.


oh, we already had that. his name was Joe Stack.

[vacuum]

Seriously this could in extension lead to civil war!

But who would be fighting on the side of the feds?

[midnight rambler]

Seriously this could in extension lead to civil war!

But who would be fighting on the side of the feds?


Those who get entitlements or paychecks from the usg.

[horseshoe3]

And all those whose hearts are in the right place, but their minds are lacking. Those who think that any threat to the police state is a threat to the American way of life.

ETA: Of course they haven't thought it through in those terms. They still believe that the US is a free country and that fed.gov promotes freedom.

[undgrd]

Why is there no mention of simply dropping the TSA and picking up a private security firm?

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

http://www.shirtaday.com/pastShirts/20090508_secedeBig.jpg

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001719525/texas-secede-43771384805_xlarge.jpeg

I want to see this happen.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Mk7F7w3dzEI/SwscG2yUjoI/AAAAAAAAAcE/H6Ehe49Pk8w/s1600/texas_secede_bumper_sticker.jpg
I see these all over the place on the damn road - every day.



http://www.texasnationalist.com/





http://www.tcrf.com/

[Horn]

Error establishing a database connection

I'm getting nothing at the link. Maybe its blocked to external leaking.

[midnight rambler]

Error establishing a database connection

I'm getting nothing at the link. Maybe its blocked to external leaking.


It was working fine earlier. Perhaps the server is bogged down.

[Horn]

OK got it...took a while to load though.


Yesterday, the U.S. Department of Justice upped the ante in a high-stakes political game of chicken. Lobbying against pending legislation in the Texas legislature which would criminalize any searches conducted without probable cause, U.S. Attorney John E. Murphy sent a letter to a few high-ranking members of Texas’ government warning against promoting the bill and threatening a complete closure of all flights to and from the state.

“If HR [sic] 1937 were enacted, the federal government would likely seek an emergency stay of the statute,” Murphy wrote. “Unless or until such a stay were granted, TSA would likely be required to cancel any flight or series of flights for which it could not ensure the safety of passengers and crew.”

No doubt written with the threatening intent one reads into it, Murphy added: “We urge that you consider the ramifications of this bill before casting your vote.”

Previous to the federal government’s threat, the Texas legislature had considered the ramifications of the bill. More importantly, they were responding to a clear need to uphold the Fourth Amendment and ensure that each person enjoys the right “to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures” — a right which the U.S. Constitution mandates “shall not be violated.”

Repeated TSA violations of the Fourth Amendment

That need has demonstrated itself in great abundance in past months, as the TSA has aggressively pursued its new policy of invasive searches and seizures at the nation’s airports. The “ramifications” to which the U.S. Attorney refers are evidently an easily dismissed matter of little importance to the federal government; to those affected by these policies, the ramifications of a bill seeking to prevent further occurrences is no doubt a welcome development.

It was less than a month ago at the Dallas, TX airport where former Miss USA Susie Castillo tearfully produced a viral video describing the molestation she had just then endured at the hands of a TSA agent. “I mean, she actually… touched my vagina,” Castillo said through her tears. “They’re making me… choose to either get molested… or go through this machine that’s completely unhealthy and dangerous. I don’t want to go through it, and here I am crying.”

Castillo isn’t the only person who would be protected under this Texas legislation. All other innocent travelers would likewise be shielded. That includes the six year old girl who made the headlines last month for being groped by a TSA agent (an action which the TSA defended as being alright since it “followed the current standard operating procedures”), as well as the eight-month-old infant subjected to a pat down while cradled in the arms of her mother.

These are but a few of the myriad confrontations that occur daily where TSA agents detain, invasively search, and seize items from innocent individuals who are not suspected of any crime whatsoever. Texas’ bill would correct this horrific perversion of the law within its state, but the federal government is clearly interested in justifying and maintaining its statist status quo.

Repeated Threats from the Federal Government

Evidence of that arrogant persistence is found in letters similar to the one penned last night by the U.S. Attorney to Texas officials. Almost two years ago, a similarly threatening letter was sent to Oklahoma by the U.S. Attorney General. In it, the state is warned against pursuing a constitutional amendment to make the English language official. The threat was a termination of appropriated funds to the state.

Another letter was sent in 2009 to both Montana and Tennessee in response to those states passing a Firearms Freedom Act. Rather than an explicit threat of any sort, these letters completely dismissed any constitutional standing or legitimate concern by the states, instead (incorrectly) affirming the federal government’s supreme authority over the issue at hand.

More recently, a U.S. Attorney wrote to the Governor of Rhode Island warning against that state’s implementation of medical marijuana legislation which would constitutionally regulate the manufacture, distribution, and consumption of the plant within the state. The attorney trumpeted the federal laws relating to the “controlled substance” and assured the Governor that the Department of Justice’s full resources would be brought to bear against any state (theirs included) which attempted to oppose the federal government’s complete control.

Rob Natelson, recognized national expert on the founding and adoption of the Constitution, considers these letters to be far more ominous than mere statements. In response to the 2009 letters, he said, “I look at this and I see this letter which gets close to looking like an order from the central government down to a sovereign state legislature, and I say…WOW. This looks like something that (Roman Emperor) Septimius Severus would have sent to the local officials.” He continued, “It reminds one eerily of the kinds of communications that started to come out from the Emperor to the local cities of the Roman Empire, beginning the course of the ultimate destruction of local government.”

Despite Threats, Moving Forward

For now, it appears that the U.S. Attorney’s threat has realized its goal; the sponsor of the Texas bill has decided to concede defeat in this battle, but remains committed to fighting the war. “I will pull HB 1937 down, but I will stand for liberty in the state of Texas,” said Senator Dan Patrick, the bill’s sponsor. As such, as of right now, the bill has died.

This much is clear: the federal government should not consider this a victory. As individuals are being unjustly molested on a daily basis, it is increasingly becoming apparent that there exists a strong, emotionally-charged undercurrent of resistance against the TSA and its invasive searches and seizures.

If anything, the withdrawal of Texas’ legislation last night should be seen as the calm before the coming storm of state-based opposition to the TSA.

Texas is Not Alone

If anything can serve as a rallying cry to unite the states against an oppressive, unconstitutional action on the part of the federal government, it is the institutionalized and fear-based justification of the molestation of innocent men, women, and children. The U.S. Attorney’s stern counsel to consider the “ramifications” of the Texas bill speaks more in support of the state’s actions than against it.

Indeed, when one considers the ramifications of not opposing the federal government on this issue, it is difficult to imagine how many Susie Castillos will be felt up by the feds for no valid reason whatsoever. That unnecessary nightmare is enough to encourage a single state — in this case, Texas — to stand strong in the defense of the individual liberties of its citizens.

But Texas is not alone. Already, four other states are considering similar “travel freedom” legislation. And, sources close to the Tenth Amendment Center tell us to expect at least ten others in 2012. Taken together, it becomes evident that many other states will soon be picking up the baton, together having the courage needed to put the federal government back in its rightful place — which isn’t inside the waistline of innocent passengers.

The TSA’s resident propagandist, Blogger Bob, will have his work cut out for him in the months ahead.

Connor Boyack [send him mail] is the state chapter coordinator for the Utah Tenth Amendment Center. He is a web developer, political economist, and budding philanthropist trying to change the world one byte at a time. He lives in Utah with his wife and son. Read his blog.

Brian Roberts [send him email] is communications director for the Texas Tenth Amendment Center

Michael Boldin [send him email] is the founder of the Tenth Amendment Center. He was raised in Milwaukee, WI, and currently resides in Los Angeles, CA. Follow him on twitter - @michaelboldin - and visit his personal blog - www.michaelboldin.com

[Horn]

Appears the threat worked, so much for the Lone Star...

[Book]

https://raimd.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/obaipac.jpg
I pledge America's last dollar to secure Israel's border!

[sirgonzo420]

Appears the threat worked, so much for the Lone Star...


the Falling (Lone) Star!

[Horn]

I pledge America's last dollar to secure Israel's border!


Meanwhile Communist China gobbles up larger tracks of South & Central America.

[sunshine05]

I hope this isn't the end of it. They must push this bill through.

[Ponce]

"The only action that will be taken will be the one that you take"... >:(

[Shami-Amourae]

You guys should have just heard Alex Jones. He's going down the the state house @2:30PM and telling EVERYONE in Texas to come down to the state house RIGHT NOW. On the spot mass protest!!!

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

Then Alex has been ordered to start some shit.

He's trying to light the match.
(imo)

[sirgonzo420]

You guys should have just heard Alex Jones. He's going down the the state house @2:30PM and telling EVERYONE in Texas to come down to the state house RIGHT NOW. On the spot mass protest!!!


lol

I bet Alex Jones is lovin' it!


"Lick my boots, BOOOY!" <--- AJ impersonating JBT/TSA




lololol

[sirgonzo420]

Alex Jones now talking about athletes' foot.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

the 14th created a jurisdiction of citizens


That's what I pretty much tell folks when trying to explain. The 13th "freed" the black slaves and then the 14th enslaved everyone.



13th Amendment: Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction


----


Slavery is still legal as per the 13th amendment.

[7th trump]

the 14th created a jurisdiction of citizens


That's what I pretty much tell folks when trying to explain. The 13th "freed" the black slaves and then the 14th enslaved everyone.



13th Amendment: Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction


----


Slavery is still legal as per the 13th amendment.

Actually you are wrong because involuntary servitude is slavery; by force.
What this doesnt say is that voluntary servitude is legal which is just what being a "US citizen" is for the white race is. See 42USC 1983 (I beleive that is the section. Could be 1982 or 1984)
What is grey about this is that the colored races do not have a choice about involuntary servitude because they have never been truely freed to access the full Bill of Rights. See Title 42 section 1983. This is why I say riots will have to happen in the streets to bring up the colored race to the white level. This will also break the chains of a government controlled by kenite tyrant jews.
What the colored people get are privileges and immunities granted only by Congress for the class of citizen they are under. They may be a subject, but they are not owned privately anymore. They are publically owned.

[Dogman]

the 14th created a jurisdiction of citizens


That's what I pretty much tell folks when trying to explain. The 13th "freed" the black slaves and then the 14th enslaved everyone.



13th Amendment: Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction


----


Slavery is still legal as per the 13th amendment.


Yep! And in some states it is worse.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ-JNnXgUNY040dGy3vZEkRPmP8O6sIhsSiedG804cG6zSkq69D

[General of Darkness]

the 14th created a jurisdiction of citizens


That's what I pretty much tell folks when trying to explain. The 13th "freed" the black slaves and then the 14th enslaved everyone.



13th Amendment: Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction


----


Slavery is still legal as per the 13th amendment.


WTF, I'm in a 40% tax bracket, so involuntary servitude is alive and well. This POS gubermant forcefully STEALS 4.8 months of work from me, and if I say NO, I go to jail. I swear to GOD, everyday I'm starting to hate this fucking place more and more.

[cthulu]

the 14th created a jurisdiction of citizens


That's what I pretty much tell folks when trying to explain. The 13th "freed" the black slaves and then the 14th enslaved everyone.



13th Amendment: Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction


----


Slavery is still legal as per the 13th amendment.


WTF, I'm in a 40% tax bracket, so involuntary servitude is alive and well. This POS gubermant forcefully STEALS 4.8 months of work from me, and if I say NO, I go to jail. I swear to GOD, everyday I'm starting to hate this fucking place more and more.


well according to 7trump, you voluntarily entered into it, so it's ok just like if I tell you this car works when in fact it doesn't , it's still your fault because you voluntarily bought it.

[Horn]

WTF, I'm in a 40% tax bracket, so involuntary servitude is alive and well. This POS gubermant forcefully STEALS 4.8 months of work from me, and if I say NO, I go to jail. I swear to GOD, everyday I'm starting to hate this fucking place more and more.


Don't we still have access to those mail order brides from Siberia,

Or are they better off over there now?

[7th trump]

the 14th created a jurisdiction of citizens


That's what I pretty much tell folks when trying to explain. The 13th "freed" the black slaves and then the 14th enslaved everyone.



13th Amendment: Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction


----


Slavery is still legal as per the 13th amendment.


WTF, I'm in a 40% tax bracket, so involuntary servitude is alive and well. This POS gubermant forcefully STEALS 4.8 months of work from me, and if I say NO, I go to jail. I swear to GOD, everyday I'm starting to hate this fucking place more and more.

Where does it say involuntary slavery besides punishment is allowed?
You go to jail if you kidnap someone.

[7th trump]

the 14th created a jurisdiction of citizens


That's what I pretty much tell folks when trying to explain. The 13th "freed" the black slaves and then the 14th enslaved everyone.



13th Amendment: Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction


----


Slavery is still legal as per the 13th amendment.


WTF, I'm in a 40% tax bracket, so involuntary servitude is alive and well. This POS gubermant forcefully STEALS 4.8 months of work from me, and if I say NO, I go to jail. I swear to GOD, everyday I'm starting to hate this fucking place more and more.


well according to 7trump, you voluntarily entered into it, so it's ok just like if I tell you this car works when in fact it doesn't , it's still your fault because you voluntarily bought it.

Yep you voluntarily did enter into it. Who made you sign for a ssn? And when you turned 18 you are to know your rights fully if your parents applied for one for you.
If you no way of proving someone made you sign for and use a ssn.

[ximmy]

How many states would it take to ban together with texas...

at some point the Feds would be powerless ...

[cthulu]

the 14th created a jurisdiction of citizens


That's what I pretty much tell folks when trying to explain. The 13th "freed" the black slaves and then the 14th enslaved everyone.



13th Amendment: Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction


----


Slavery is still legal as per the 13th amendment.


WTF, I'm in a 40% tax bracket, so involuntary servitude is alive and well. This POS gubermant forcefully STEALS 4.8 months of work from me, and if I say NO, I go to jail. I swear to GOD, everyday I'm starting to hate this fucking place more and more.


well according to 7trump, you voluntarily entered into it, so it's ok just like if I tell you this car works when in fact it doesn't , it's still your fault because you voluntarily bought it.

Yep you voluntarily did enter into it. Who made you sign for a ssn? And when you turned 18 you are to know your rights fully if your parents applied for one for you.
If you no way of proving someone made you sign for and use a ssn.


By breathing air, you voluntarily surrendered your soul to me. Pay up.

[7th trump]

the 14th created a jurisdiction of citizens


That's what I pretty much tell folks when trying to explain. The 13th "freed" the black slaves and then the 14th enslaved everyone.



13th Amendment: Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction


----


Slavery is still legal as per the 13th amendment.


WTF, I'm in a 40% tax bracket, so involuntary servitude is alive and well. This POS gubermant forcefully STEALS 4.8 months of work from me, and if I say NO, I go to jail. I swear to GOD, everyday I'm starting to hate this fucking place more and more.


well according to 7trump, you voluntarily entered into it, so it's ok just like if I tell you this car works when in fact it doesn't , it's still your fault because you voluntarily bought it.

Yep you voluntarily did enter into it. Who made you sign for a ssn? And when you turned 18 you are to know your rights fully if your parents applied for one for you.
If you no way of proving someone made you sign for and use a ssn.


By breathing air, you voluntarily surrendered your soul to me. Pay up.

You can deal and comprehend this anyway you like, but either way theres no law saying you have to have a ssn and be under their jurisdiction.

[JDRock]

How many states would it take to ban together with texas...

at some point the Feds would be powerless ...

we tried that...when we had robert e lee for a general!

[Book]

He's going down the the state house @2:30PM and telling EVERYONE in Texas to come down to the state house RIGHT NOW.



http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/infowars-shop_2160_27175427

Alex will sell his t-shirts to the gullible goyim for only $19.99.

:D

[cthulu]

the 14th created a jurisdiction of citizens


That's what I pretty much tell folks when trying to explain. The 13th "freed" the black slaves and then the 14th enslaved everyone.



13th Amendment: Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction


----


Slavery is still legal as per the 13th amendment.


WTF, I'm in a 40% tax bracket, so involuntary servitude is alive and well. This POS gubermant forcefully STEALS 4.8 months of work from me, and if I say NO, I go to jail. I swear to GOD, everyday I'm starting to hate this fucking place more and more.


well according to 7trump, you voluntarily entered into it, so it's ok just like if I tell you this car works when in fact it doesn't , it's still your fault because you voluntarily bought it.

Yep you voluntarily did enter into it. Who made you sign for a ssn? And when you turned 18 you are to know your rights fully if your parents applied for one for you.
If you no way of proving someone made you sign for and use a ssn.


By breathing air, you voluntarily surrendered your soul to me. Pay up.

You can deal and comprehend this anyway you like, but either way theres no law saying you have to have a ssn and be under their jurisdiction.


You just voluntarily admitted defeat and submitted yoruself under my jurisdiction.

[Son-of-Liberty]

the 14th created a jurisdiction of citizens


That's what I pretty much tell folks when trying to explain. The 13th "freed" the black slaves and then the 14th enslaved everyone.



13th Amendment: Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction


----


Slavery is still legal as per the 13th amendment.


WTF, I'm in a 40% tax bracket, so involuntary servitude is alive and well. This POS gubermant forcefully STEALS 4.8 months of work from me, and if I say NO, I go to jail. I swear to GOD, everyday I'm starting to hate this fucking place more and more.


well according to 7trump, you voluntarily entered into it, so it's ok just like if I tell you this car works when in fact it doesn't , it's still your fault because you voluntarily bought it.

Yep you voluntarily did enter into it. Who made you sign for a ssn? And when you turned 18 you are to know your rights fully if your parents applied for one for you.
If you no way of proving someone made you sign for and use a ssn.


By breathing air, you voluntarily surrendered your soul to me. Pay up.

You can deal and comprehend this anyway you like, but either way theres no law saying you have to have a ssn and be under their jurisdiction.


There's no law saying you have to have one but how do you get rid of it once you have one? Wouldn't you have to prove that the contract is fraudulent because you could not consent as a minor and were never fully informed of the benefits and obligations that are laid out in the contract?

[7th trump]

the 14th created a jurisdiction of citizens


That's what I pretty much tell folks when trying to explain. The 13th "freed" the black slaves and then the 14th enslaved everyone.



13th Amendment: Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction


----


Slavery is still legal as per the 13th amendment.


WTF, I'm in a 40% tax bracket, so involuntary servitude is alive and well. This POS gubermant forcefully STEALS 4.8 months of work from me, and if I say NO, I go to jail. I swear to GOD, everyday I'm starting to hate this fucking place more and more.


well according to 7trump, you voluntarily entered into it, so it's ok just like if I tell you this car works when in fact it doesn't , it's still your fault because you voluntarily bought it.

Yep you voluntarily did enter into it. Who made you sign for a ssn? And when you turned 18 you are to know your rights fully if your parents applied for one for you.
If you no way of proving someone made you sign for and use a ssn.


By breathing air, you voluntarily surrendered your soul to me. Pay up.

You can deal and comprehend this anyway you like, but either way theres no law saying you have to have a ssn and be under their jurisdiction.


There's no law saying you have to have one but how do you get rid of it once you have one? Wouldn't you have to prove that the contract is fraudulent because you could not consent as a minor and were never fully informed of the benefits and obligations that are laid out in the contract?
Theres no law saying you have to disclose it if you have one if you wish not to.

Heres a nice piece of administrative statutory law to have regarding the number.


(d) Obtaining a taxpayer identifying number —(1) Social security number. Any individual required to furnish a social security number pursuant to paragraph (b) of this section shall apply for one, if he has not done so previously, on Form SS–5, which may be obtained from any Social Security Administration or Internal Revenue Service office. He shall make such application far enough in advance of the first required use of such number to permit issuance of the number in time for compliance with such requirement. The form, together with any supplementary statement, shall be prepared and filed in accordance with the form, instructions, and regulations applicable thereto, and shall set forth fully and clearly the data therein called for. Individuals who are ineligible for or do not wish to participate in the benefits of the social security program shall nevertheless obtain a social security number if they are required to furnish such a number pursuant to paragraph (b) of this section.

Now if you read it like only 1% of you will its say you only need/require to furnish the number pursuant to paragraph (b)


(b) Requirement to furnish one's own number —(1) U.S. persons. Every U.S. person who makes under this title a return, statement, or other document must furnish its own taxpayer identifying number as required by the forms and the accompanying instructions. A U.S. person whose number must be included on a document filed by another person must give the taxpayer identifying number so required to the other person on request. For penalties for failure to supply taxpayer identifying numbers, see sections 6721 through 6724. For provisions dealing specifically with the duty of employees with respect to their social security numbers, see §31.6011(b)-2 (a) and (b) of this chapter (Employment Tax Regulations). For provisions dealing specifically with the duty of employers with respect to employer identification numbers, see §31.6011(b)-1 of this chapter (Employment Tax Regulations).

Ok, paragraph (b) says you'll need it if you make a return, statement, or other document must furnish its own taxpayer identifying number as required by the forms and the accompanying instructions. Heres where the chicken comes before the egg.
Ok what did that W4 thingy do again.
It gives permission from you to let the employer treat your earnings as a statutory 26usc 3401(a) "wage" because you volunteered to participate in a federal social benefit program where your earnings are classified as 26USC 3121(a) "wages" which are required by ther statutory law to have taxes and deductions taken from it.
You are being taxed because you participate in Social Security where the nature of this government program classifies your earnings as a taxable "wage" instead of laboring for cash.

And no I didnt make a mistake. I said 3401(a) "wages" first and then 3121(a) "wages" second.
You have to understand when you voluntarily participate in social security you have to permit the employer (via the W4) to treat your earnings as 3121(a) "wages" for any credits can be credited to your SS account.
Now once your earnings are classified as Social Security 3121(a) "wages" (chapter 21 of Title 26) these same chapter 21 3121(a) "wages" are then lumped into the same classified catagory of wage as any government employee 3401(a) "wages" (chapter 24 of Title 26), well most government employees anyway, where the government has legal right to tax.
So what comes first the egg or the chicken?

Everything is voluntary. The employer has to get your signiture on a form W4 he cannot submit any W4 without your consent.
But wait a minute you say!
The employer will deduct at 30% if I dont submit a W4.
Well then inform the employer hes breaking the law by showing him regulation 301.6109-1(d). And if he continues to withhold after showing him 301.6109-1(d) you have grounds for a tort law suit.
Nobody, not even the government, can make any American participate in a voluntary program that would cause you to be taxed.
Nobody can make law requiring all Americans to require a ssn that ultimately taxes you...........nobody!

[midnight rambler]

The word I'm getting is that DOJ and TSA personnel have been down at the Texas Capitol actively lobbying against this bill.

[Shami-Amourae]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=857TvaFV5W8

[Cebu_4_2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=857TvaFV5W8


And the Fed wins again...

[sirgonzo420]

lol


poor Texas.... a shadow of her former self (not unlike the rest of the several states)...

[mick silver]

more paper money wasted ......................TSA personnel have been down at the Texas Capitol actively lobbying

[madfranks]

Lobbying against pending legislation in the Texas legislature which would criminalize any searches conducted without probable cause, U.S. Attorney John E. Murphy sent a letter to a few high-ranking members of Texas’ government warning against promoting the bill and threatening a complete closure of all flights to and from the state.

Why do they need new legislation for this? Why don't they simply reference the supreme law of the land?


The right of the people to be secure in their persons... against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated

[sirgonzo420]

Lobbying against pending legislation in the Texas legislature which would criminalize any searches conducted without probable cause, U.S. Attorney John E. Murphy sent a letter to a few high-ranking members of Texas’ government warning against promoting the bill and threatening a complete closure of all flights to and from the state.

Why do they need new legislation for this? Why don't they simply reference the supreme law of the land?


The right of the people to be secure in their persons... against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated



They are pussies. All they have to do is uphold and enforce EXISTING Texas law.

[Grog]

They are pussies. All they have to do is uphold and enforce EXISTING Texas law.


That was my initial thought as well but I really think that it is a little different. Our Lt. Governor is a worthless sack of rocks working for everyone but Texans. This bill should have passed, and had the votes. Dewhurst threw Patrick under a bus at the Fed's request. He is a traitor in my mind. It isn't that they are afraid of the Fed, they are working for the Fed team, not Texans.

[sunshine05]

I've been searching airlines' flight volumes to see if they have decreased since the naked body scanners and invasive pat-downs. It doesn't appear to be the case. Delta flights are down 1.5% but AA and Southwest seem steady. I can't comprehend how people are willing to be subjected to this and willing to subject their kids to this. What is wrong with people?! Since this is fine with 99.5% of Americans, there is no stopping them. They can put TSA everywhere and just a very small percentage of us are not okay with this. What has happened to Americans? Why doesn't anyone care???? There should be a massive boycott! But, nope. >:(

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

Maybe this isn't over?

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-taxes/2011-budget-shortfall/house-and-senate-adjourn-special-session-tuesday/


pdate (6 p.m.):

House Republican leader Rep. Larry Taylor, of Friendswood, said it's highly likely that Gov. Rick Perry will put the controversial bill banning sanctuary cities on the agenda for the special legislative session that is expected to start tomorrow. And in a letter to Perry outlining the priorities he'd like address during the special legislative session, Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst included the sanctuary cities bill and a slew of other priorities:

SB 8 – Relating to improving the quality and efficiency of health care;

SB 23 – Relating to the administration of reforms, efficiency, cost-saving, fraud prevention, and funding measures for certain health and human services and health benefits programs;

HB 5 – Relating to establishing an Interstate Health Care Compact;

HB 12 – Relating to the enforcement of state and federal laws governing immigration by certain governmental entities;

HB 272 – Relating to the operation of the Texas Windstorm Insurance Association and to the resolution of certain disputes concerning claims made to that association;

SB 12/HB400 – Relating to the flexibility of the Board of Trustees of a school district in the management and operation of public schools in the district and the flexibility for public schools to administer primary and secondary education efficiently;

HB 1937 – Relating to prosecution and punishment for the offense of official oppression by the intrusive touching of persons seeking access to public buildings and transportation; and

HB 900/SB 308 – Relating to the composition of the congressional districts for the State of Texas.

In the letter, Dewhurst also said that because Democratic senators have shown an "unwillingness to find consensus on these important legislative items," he sees no other alternative except to operate under a simple majority rule instead of using the two-thirds rule that has allowed the minority party to block some measures it opposes.

"Democrats have made a bad strategic move," Taylor said. "Negotiating will be a lot harder for them."

[Grog]

Maybe this isn't over?

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-taxes/2011-budget-shortfall/house-and-senate-adjourn-special-session-tuesday/

[quote]pdate (6 p.m.):

HB 1937 – Relating to prosecution and punishment for the offense of official oppression by the intrusive touching of persons seeking access to public buildings and transportation; and


Makes me wonder what political theater is happening with Dewhurst pulling a stunt to kill the original bill then adding it to the agenda in the next 'special' session. Did he want some glory? Or did he realize he pissed off the voters by yanking the bill?

Something ain't right here.

I don't trust any of them. I'll believe it when I see it.

[dys]

They are pussies. All they have to do is uphold and enforce EXISTING Texas law.


I've seen this trick before. It's designed to make it look like they care, when they don't. "We tried, but the legislation was defeated and now there is nothing we can do."

dys