"FREEDOM"

[Book]

I find G2Rad's post in another thread very thought-provoking. I agree with him:




True America is no more

It died out

what is left is 77 million of aging sex-crazy dope-smoking Hippy-Punk godless “revolutionaries”, plus a bunch of foreigners

neither have any idea what America is/was

Corruption of baby-boom generation murdered America in 60-ies

And the party began ….. Now, the fruits of labor of their fathers is sold to China and India. Future of the generations-to-come is mortgaged. Country is given away to strangers.

What else do they have left that can be sold?
………………………………………

Before 60-es there were American Values. Remember how you despised "traditional values"; remember how you despised obedience and “strict” rules of American ways.

You got your revolution, you overthrew your fathers; there is no more authority and no more moral values to restrict you anymore

The glue is undone;

Enjoy fruits of your fake “freedom”

[Shami-Amourae]

Freedom is only obtained by anarchy. Government is just a monopoly of violence, and it attracts sociopaths and greedy people to loot from the population dumb and/or weak enough to go along with the state.

[nunaem]

The revolt against tradition and order began long, long before the 60's, more like the 1600's. The baby-boomers followed in the same footsteps as their parents and grandparents, they simply achieved more success in overthrowing morality.

[nunaem]

Freedom is only obtained by anarchy. Government is just a monopoly of violence, and it attracts sociopaths and greedy people to loot from the population dumb and/or weak enough to go along with the state.


Anarchy does not magically turn the force-loving masses into freedom-loving voluntarists, under anarchy they will obey, condone and relish coercion as much as now, it's in their nature. We evolved with hierarchical instincts and no political philosophy can make them go away.

[Ponce]

Book? that's why I posted long ago the following.............

"We are now living from the fruit trees of past generations, and not from one of our own"... Ponce

also:

"If the future is in the hands of our kids, we are then in deep trouble"... Ponce

[Sparky]

My guess is that there was a similar feeling in the Roaring 1920's, leading into the Great Depression and World War II. And yet that euphoria/crisis cycle gave rise to the prosperous period of 1945-1965 that we look back upon with such fondness.

The embers to start the next fire still exist. Some of them are here. America is a young country by historical standards, so I think there will be an opportunity to build on the old foundation. But it will be a battle, fought against the wave of foreign invasion and entitlement mentality led by a corrupt government.

[Horn]

And yet that euphoria/crisis cycle gave rise to the prosperous period of 1945-1965 that we look back upon with such fondness.


American died in WWII.

[sirgonzo420]

And yet that euphoria/crisis cycle gave rise to the prosperous period of 1945-1965 that we look back upon with such fondness.


American died in WWII.


or 1865...

or from the beginning.

[Horn]

And yet that euphoria/crisis cycle gave rise to the prosperous period of 1945-1965 that we look back upon with such fondness.


American died in WWII.


or 1865...

or from the beginning.


Ever since, no American has died.

[G2Rad]

What is the basis for freedom? Why should I, or “them” or our “handlers” grant us our freedom?
What would be the reason?

There is cause and there is effect.
There must be a reason ...

Consider the following statement (1): pet animals entitled to freedom ....
That is a ridiculous statement. Why they would be? Because-of-what are they entitled to freedom?

Now, suppose that animal evolved "a little" and became a human.
Consider the statement # 2: evolved animals (humans) are entitled to freedom....
Oh yeah, to that we all agree. But what changed between (1) and (2). A little more intelligence? So what? That does not change anything. There are dogs that are more intelligent than some people. The dogs don’t blow up buildings. … the dogs don't rape children ...

There is no basis for personal freedom in Judean “Liberal” system. There is nothing to derive it from. No leg to stand on. I am not speaking on emotional level, but on pure logical.

This country is Judeo-Christians. Yet, even on this very special forum I see perhaps five Christians (at most) and maybe two hundred + Judeans.

To be free the country must lean back towards its roots again. Giving the above distribution, chances of that happening are next to zero. I am not talking about over-the-counter “christianity” of today is infiltrated, sissified, pacified, castrated, apostated and Judified.

So, they got all exits covered.

NWO is only a matter of time.

[G2Rad]

a Christian is entitled for freedom from all of humans (as well as non-humans), because he is and will always be property of Christ Jesus, God of gods.

the end.

if anyone wants to make him his "pet anymal", go talk to his daddy first.

[G2Rad]

and, ....

thank you Book.

I did not expect that from you

[Gaillo]

Freedom, in a political sense, can have ONLY one meaning: the absence of interference from other men. There are two ways this can be achieved: either one man or a small select number of men can so absolutely dominate, subjecate, and impoverish all other men around them to the point that they are no longer able/willing to interfere with the "overlords" (which amounts to freedom for a small number of men at the expense of all others)... OR...

A society can be implemented which STRICTLY and HARSHLY punishes any and ALL interference (coercion and fraud) between men, REGARDLESS of their "position", "status", "rank", etc. Of course, this requires a "government", which holds the MONOPOLY on the USE of interference (in the form of armed coercive police, military, and courts) to administer retaliation/ceasation against those men who choose to violate the society's "prime directive" of non-interference among men - and therin lies the problem:

Throughout history, on those ultra-rare occasions where men attempt to set up a government "for the people", the "scum" floats to the top, and manipulates the entity (government) which is charged with STOPPING coercion into an entity that acts as an INSTRUMENT of plunder and coercion. I believe that Thomas Jefferson was VERY aware of these dynamics, and that is why he urged eternal vigilance and constant revolution of the government, along with more specific warnings against the AGENTS of coercion (bankers and unchecked government agencies).

[Horn]

I did not expect that from you

This all started when GIM handed back their Royal Entitlements.

[Serpo]

The blame game dosnt work........

Except in this case...................

[G2Rad]

I will tell a thing (if any one listens )

The problem of "freedom" is the same as "problem 11".

It is equal to "problem 11".

It is identical to "problem 11".

freedom is a lie

[nunaem]

Throughout history, on those ultra-rare occasions where men attempt to set up a government "for the people", the "scum" floats to the top, and manipulates the entity (government) which is charged with STOPPING coercion into an entity that acts as an INSTRUMENT of plunder and coercion.


This is because the governments were or ended up being 'by the people'. The People, mass men, have extremely poor judgment and love tyrants. When they get to choose their leaders the scum always rises to the top.

This is why the founders were wise enough to limit franchise. But IMO, they did not limit it enough.

[G2Rad]

here I posted (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/big-potential-terror-days-this-year/) a little about problem #11

and my wonderfuly goofy thread on numbers (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/the-math/) is also dedicated to problem #11

[Gaillo]

...freedom is a lie


THAT is a lie. I've personally known freedom in my life... from time to time... and it is THE most important thing for men to strive for. Without freedom, life amounts to just "doing time".

[G2Rad]

you see, for freedom to exist, it should be like this:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_E7CcGnDYNUc/SmzVMGiw22I/AAAAAAAAAJY/XOorjuFocG8/s400/obama-devil-hand.jpg

11, one and one

equality

but, there is no equality

people differ, one man is not the same as the other

Judeo-Liberal idea of freedom is fantasy

[Cicero]

Freedom, in a political sense, can have ONLY one meaning: the absence of interference from other men. There are two ways this can be achieved: either one man or a small select number of men can so absolutely dominate, subjecate, and impoverish all other men around them to the point that they are no longer able/willing to interfere with the "overlords" (which amounts to freedom for a small number of men at the expense of all others)... OR...

A society can be implemented which STRICTLY and HARSHLY punishes any and ALL interference (coercion and fraud) between men, REGARDLESS of their "position", "status", "rank", etc. Of course, this requires a "government", which holds the MONOPOLY on the USE of interference (in the form of armed coercive police, military, and courts) to administer retaliation/ceasation against those men who choose to violate the society's "prime directive" of non-interference among men - and therin lies the problem:

Throughout history, on those ultra-rare occasions where men attempt to set up a government "for the people", the "scum" floats to the top, and manipulates the entity (government) which is charged with STOPPING coercion into an entity that acts as an INSTRUMENT of plunder and coercion. I believe that Thomas Jefferson was VERY aware of these dynamics, and that is why he urged eternal vigilance and constant revolution of the government, along with more specific warnings against the AGENTS of coercion (bankers and unchecked government agencies).
None of that even comes close to working without white men in charge...

[Ponce]

The only freedom that there is is the one that you think that you have......after all, break one of "theirs" laws and you will no longer have freedom........unless of course, you let someone else take over your land and in which case they will tell you what freedom is.

[Horn]

11 just like King of Kings, or brother of brothers?

[Book]

and, ....

thank you Book.

I did not expect that from you



|--0--| who knew? lol

[G2Rad]

it is THE most important thing for men to strive for. Without freedom, life amounts to just "doing time".


yeah, I heard that being programmed of TV, schools program "freedom" too

they make many movies about that

they want you to believe that

I see you complied.

well, ... your choice.

[Gaillo]

Freedom, in a political sense, can have ONLY one meaning: the absence of interference from other men. There are two ways this can be achieved: either one man or a small select number of men can so absolutely dominate, subjecate, and impoverish all other men around them to the point that they are no longer able/willing to interfere with the "overlords" (which amounts to freedom for a small number of men at the expense of all others)... OR...

A society can be implemented which STRICTLY and HARSHLY punishes any and ALL interference (coercion and fraud) between men, REGARDLESS of their "position", "status", "rank", etc. Of course, this requires a "government", which holds the MONOPOLY on the USE of interference (in the form of armed coercive police, military, and courts) to administer retaliation/ceasation against those men who choose to violate the society's "prime directive" of non-interference among men - and therin lies the problem:

Throughout history, on those ultra-rare occasions where men attempt to set up a government "for the people", the "scum" floats to the top, and manipulates the entity (government) which is charged with STOPPING coercion into an entity that acts as an INSTRUMENT of plunder and coercion. I believe that Thomas Jefferson was VERY aware of these dynamics, and that is why he urged eternal vigilance and constant revolution of the government, along with more specific warnings against the AGENTS of coercion (bankers and unchecked government agencies).
None of that even comes close to working without white men in charge...


OK, Philo... Buh bye!

IP's match... BANNED.

[G2Rad]

11 just like King of Kings, or brother of brothers?


11 was born when

Satan demanded equality with God

He leads rebelion for "freedom"

Freedom (11) is how your leaders salute each other.

[G2Rad]

I am posting not to insult, but as "food for thought"

re-examining main stream media/culture "sacred cows"

please don't take it personal

[sirgonzo420]

OK, Philo... Buh bye!

IP's match... BANNED.



I guess it WASN'T the ban-finger!

:D

[Book]

http://rlv.zcache.com/seven_deadly_sins_to_do_list_tshirt-p235198995747905113ch3b_325.jpg


The Seven Deadly Sins

Pride is an excessive belief in one's own abilities.
Envy is wanting what others have, be it status, abilities, or possessions.
Gluttony is the desire to eat or consume more than you require.
Lust is a powerful craving for such as sex, power and money.
Anger is the loss of rational self-control and the desire to harm others.
Greed is the desire for material wealth or gain.
Sloth is laziness and the avoidance of work.


Seems to me "FREEDOM" is now defined by our jew-controlled media as what was once considered the Seven Deadly Sins. We see it every day on teevee and in Hollywood movies. Some here even claim they have these individual "Rights" pursuant to our Constitution. I can only wonder if they have infiltrated our society to destroy it from with.

:o

[Gaillo]

OK, Philo... Buh bye!

IP's match... BANNED.



I guess it WASN'T the ban-finger!

:D


Ban finger work just fine. It love you LONG time! ;D

[sirgonzo420]

11 was born when

Satan demanded equality with God

He leads rebelion for "freedom"

Freedom (11) is how your leaders salute each other.



If God didn't like Satan, he wouldn't exist.

God must endorse Satan.

[G2Rad]

absolute and perfect freedom is when all are equal, as one is equal to one.

but the reality is, for any group to function
* there must be some kind of structure, a hierachy of some sort
* somebody has to be put in charge.
* there must be somebody who says the final sayso

and when they do, the rest must comply

therefore,

freedom is an illusion

[Book]

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Freedom.

:D

[Gaillo]

11 was born when

Satan demanded equality with God

He leads rebelion for "freedom"

Freedom (11) is how your leaders salute each other.



If God didn't like Satan, he wouldn't exist.

God must endorse Satan.




If God forsees evil, but is unable to stop it, then he is not omnipotent.
If God can stop evil, but was unable to forsee it, then he is not omniscient.
If God can forsee evil, and can stop it, but is unwilling, then he is evil.
If God can neither forsee nor stop evil, then he is neither omniscient nor omnipotent... why call him "God"?

Most people counter this with the "freewill" argument (God allows evil to exist so we can have freewill) - but how much "freewill" does a 8-month old infant have before being raped and murdered in some third-world hellhole?

I've come to the conclusion personally that God is either complicit with evil, and thus evil himself, or God (as a functional, thinking being) doesn't exist. I see the wonders (and horrors) of nature, I KNOW it exists - so I'll stick to "Universe/Natural Laws Worship" for now, until I see a SHRED of evidence for a "benevolent/loving God" - if God is evil, I want NOTHING to do with his worship or glorification.

[Horn]

Well it was all great until some self righteous prick has to come around pokin his finger into the grand duality of nature.

Now there's just an ever present shit storm moving in & out from the horizon.

[Book]

Well it was all great until some self righteous prick has to come around pokin his finger into the grand duality of nature.



http://greatdatingservice.com/images_link/fomotyry.jpg

:D You tell 'em Horn!

[Golden]

absolute and perfect freedom is when all are equal, as one is equal to one.

but the reality is, for any group to function
* there must be some kind of structure, a hierachy of some sort
* somebody has to be put in charge.
* there must be somebody who says the final sayso

and when they do, the rest must comply

therefore,

freedom is an illusion


I've been waiting for the word illusion to enter. Freedom is a fraction of experience. To be pursued never attained. We serve one another. This applies to all specie.

[Serpo]

Freedom is a state of mind or awareness.Nothing more and nothing less.
Freedom is to be free from the prison of your own mind.
Freedom is to be free from the prison of your own emotions.
Freedom is an inner quality .

You can have all the freedom out there that anyone could wish for but unless you have inner freedom you are still in a self made prison.

Freedom is freedom.
Illusion is illusion.

[Dogman]

True and complete freedom for the common man in any society is imposable as long as they live physically with in that society. When living within there are only limited freedom's to some degree or other freedom. Some society's offer more personal freedom than others. But there have never been any society's that offered total freedom to the common man that survived long. You could own a boat and anchor in international waters and come close to total freedom, but you will still have people poking noses into your business (coast guard of what ever nation you are anchored near). In the old days of kings and such, only the big guy at the top had total freedom to do what ever he/she wanted without worry, except one, and that was the neighboring top guy that may want what you have and comes and tries to take it. Sort of big dog / big dog eat world.

[Horn]

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/1207/osamaguidels8.jpg

[Horn]

I got an idea, if we can quell the masses with brute police force, they will have no option but to blend the races amongst themselves.

Haji will never be able to single their brother from another. It'll be like destiny, or fate if you will.

We'll make it fun to do of course, and all in the name of...

[Serpo]

All in the name of freedom.............. :conf:


32 Signs That The Entire World Is Being Transformed Into A Futuristic Big Brother Prison Grid

Thursday, 26 May 2011 10:43



Do you want your children and grandchildren to live in a futuristic "big brother" control grid where everything they do is watched, recorded, tracked and tightly controlled? Well, that is exactly where things are headed. We witnessed some really bad totalitarian regimes during the 20th century, but what is coming is going to be far more restrictive than any of the despots of the past ever dreamed was possible. Today, nearly every government on earth is tightening their grip on their citizens. Paranoia has become standard operating procedure all over the planet and nobody is to be trusted. Global politicians will give speeches about liberty and freedom even as they undermine them at every turn. There are very, very few nations on the planet where liberty and freedom are increasing. Instead, almost everywhere you turn the "control grid" is getting tighter. Governments don't want us gathering together and interacting with one another. Instead, they want us to work our tails off to support the system, they want us enslaved financially and constantly drowning in debt, and they want us addicted to television and other forms of entertainment. They want us as numb and docile as possible. Meanwhile, all over the globe they continue to construct a futuristic "big brother" control grid that will ensure that they will always be able to control us.

Sadly, this is not the plot to some post-apocalyptic science fiction movie.

This is really happening.

When you read the list below, each of the 32 signs may not seem to be all that significant individually. However, when they are all taken together, they paint a truly frightening picture....

#1 The days of the free and open Internet are slowly coming to an end. Many nations around the world have implemented strict Internet censorship and many other nations are moving in that direction. With each passing year the level of freedom on the Internet diminishes.

Regulation of the Internet has even become a primary topic of discussion at G-8 meetings. According to The New York Times, French President Nicolas Sarkozy is leading the charge for a more "civilized Internet"....

Leaders of the Group of 8 industrialized countries are set to issue a provocative call for stronger Internet regulation, a cause championed by the host of the meeting, President Nicolas Sarkozy of France, but fiercely opposed by some Internet companies and free-speech groups.

Why are free speech groups strongly opposing what Sarkozy is trying to do?

It is because western governments want to kill liberty and freedom on the Internet just like China is doing. The Internet has been a great tool for waking people up and distributing information, and the control freaks that want to run all of our lives do not like that one bit.

#2 Internet censorship in China, the largest nation on earth, is absolutely brutal. The Chinese government blocks any websites that talk about such topics as the Dalai Lama, the 1989 crackdown on Tiananmen Square protesters and Falun Gong.

Even web searches for the English word "freedom" are blocked.

#3 Starting next year, all new cellphones will be required to contain a chip that will allow the president to broadcast "emergency alerts" to the cellphones whenever the president wants. Cellphone users will not be allowed to opt out of the presidential messages.

The following is how a CBS news report describes the new system....

A new national alert system is set to begin in New York City that will alert the public to emergencies via cell phones.

It’s called the Personal Localized Alert Network or PLAN. Presidential and local emergency messages as well as Amber Alerts would appear on cell phones equipped with special chips and software.

#4 The U.K. has more surveillance cameras per citizen than anywhere else in the world. In fact, according to one estimate, there are 4.8 million video cameras constantly watching every move citizens make.

#5 A "certified TSA official" was brought in to oversee student searches at the Santa Fe High School prom last weekend.

Will this kind of thing soon be happening at every high school in America?

#6 The U.S. Department of Agriculture is spending huge amounts of money to install surveillance cameras in the cafeterias of public schools so that government control freaks can closely monitor what our children are eating.

The following is how a recent article posted on Infowars.com describes this new program....

Billed as part of an effort to reduce obesity and improve eating habits, small cameras are programmed to take snapshots of lunch trays before and after each student eats. Each child is uniquely identifiable via a barcode attached to the tray. The amount of calories and nutrients that each child has consumed is then calculated via a database containing 7,500 different varieties of food.

#7 The EU is spending hundreds of millions of euros on propaganda campaigns in an attempt to convince the citizens of Europe that the EU is good for them.

#8 Today, FBI surveillance teams regularly employ warrantless GPS tracking to monitor the movements of peaceful activists - even if they are not suspected of ever committing a crime. The Obama administration is fighting in court to keep this practice legal.

#9 According to FBI Director Robert Mueller, "homegrown terrorists" represent as big a threat to American national security as al-Qaeda does.

#10 Federal VIPR teams are establishing a series of "internal checkpoints" all across the United States. The following is how a recent article by Paul Joseph Watson described these VIPR team activities....

The TSA has announced its intention to expand the VIPR program to include roadside inspections of commercial vehicles, setting up a network of internal checkpoints and rolling out security procedures already active in airports, bus terminals and subway stations to roads and highways across the United States.

By the way, who in the world decided that it would be a good idea to call them "VIPR teams"?

What is next? Are we going to find out that the TSA has hired Cobra Commander and Destro as consultants?

#11 Thousands of "dysfunctional" families in the U.K. are being subjected to intensive 24-hour surveillance to make sure that their children attend school, go to bed on time and eat proper meals.

#12 U.S. Senator Chuck Schumer says that Amtrak should have a "no ride list" similar to the "no fly list" used at U.S. airports.

Before you can get on an airplane today, your name is checked to make sure that it is not on any international watch lists.

So what do you have to do to get on an international watch list?

Nobody really knows.

What is next?

A "no breathe list"?

#13 U.K. authorities are now admitting that every phone call, text message, email and website visit made by private citizens will be stored for one year and will be available for monitoring by government agencies.

#14 The amount of cell phone surveillance that goes on is absolutely staggering. For example, one German politician named Malte Spitz recently went to court to force Deutsche Telekom to reveal how often his cell phone was being tracked. What he found out was absolutely amazing. It turns out that in just one 6 month period, Deutsche Telekom recorded the longitude and latitude coordinates of his cell phone 35,000 times.

#15 DARPA has now developed new video surveillance technology that many are warning will bring about the end of public anonymity. The following is how the ExtremeTech blog is describing this new technology....

To be in public is to be on camera, but most video footage is discarded, as only so much can be sorted and analyzed -- until now. DARPA has created a technology that can index and analyze video in real-time, marking the end of anonymity in public places.

#16 In the U.K., it is now illegal to photograph the police for any reason whatsoever.

#17 Police in the U.K. have purchased software that will enable them to easily follow the "digital footprints" of virtually anyone. The following is how one recent news report in the U.K. described this new software....

The Metropolitan Police has bought Geotime, a security programme used by the U.S. military which tracks suspects' movements and communications and displays them on a three-dimensional graphic.

The software aggregates information gathered from social networking sites, GPS devices like the iPhone, mobile phones, financial transactions and IP network logs to build a detailed picture of an individual's movements.

#18 In Tacoma, Washington a seventh grade student was recently questioned by the Secret Service about a message that he posted on his Facebook page.

Be very careful about what you put up on Facebook or Twitter. The entire world can see it.

#19 According to the ACLU, state police in Michigan are using "extraction devices" to download data from the cellphones of motorists that they pull over. This is taking place even if those pulled over are not accused of doing anything wrong.

The following is how an article on CNET News describes the capabilities of these "extraction devices"....

The devices, sold by a company called Cellebrite, can download text messages, photos, video, and even GPS data from most brands of cell phones. The handheld machines have various interfaces to work with different models and can even bypass security passwords and access some information.

#20 Last year, one shocking poll found that 51 percent of Americans agree with this statement: "It is necessary to give up some civil liberties in order to make the country safe from terrorism."

#21 The MPAA and RIAA have submitted their master plan for enforcing copyright rights to the new Office of Intellectual Property Enforcement and it includes installing spyware on everyone's computers that would detect and delete any infringing materials.

#22 The U.K.'s new Internet law includes a "three strikes" rule that allows your entire family to be cut off from the Internet if anyone who lives in your house is accused of copyright infringement - without proof or evidence or trial.

#23 Would you like to have your face scanned and your ID recorded every time you attend a public event? Don't laugh. The San Francisco Entertainment Commission is actually proposing a new rule which "would require all venues with an occupancy of over 100 people to record the faces of all patrons and employees and scan their ID’s for storage in a database which they must hand over to law enforcement on request."

#24 Today, the U.S. government and governments all over the industrialized world have become so obsessed with reducing carbon emissions that now they even tell us what kinds of light bulbs we are allowed to buy.

#25 The Obama administration is developing a universal "Internet ID" program that would watch, track, monitor and potentially control your activity on the Internet. These "trusted identities" are being touted as a way to increase safety and security on the Internet and as a way to eliminate the need for dozens of different usernames and passwords.

#26 As I have written about previously, the "Internet kill switch" is rapidly becoming one of the favorite new tools of tyrannical governments all over the globe....

Once upon a time, the Internet was a bastion of liberty and freedom, but now nation after nation is cracking down on it. In fact, legislation has been introduced once again in Congress that would give the president of the United States an "Internet kill switch" that he would be able to use in the event of war or emergency. Of course there would be a whole lot of wiggle room in determining what actually constitutes a true "emergency". The members of Congress that are pushing this "Internet kill switch" bill want the U.S. to become more like China in this regard.

#27 A shocking document released by Wikileaks proves that high level U.S. government officials have been pushing for North American integration. According to the document, some of the goals of this integration would be to turn North America into an economic zone similar to the EU, to have one common currency for the entire continent and to have one common "security perimeter" for the entire continent.

Let us hope that a plan like this never comes to pass.

#28 One of the most liberty-killing pieces of legislation in recent years was the Patriot Act. Unfortunately, the vast majority of Republicans and the vast majority of Democrats will never vote against the renewal of the Patriot Act because they don't want to look "soft" on terrorism.

About the only U.S. Senator to stand up against the Patriot Act is Rand Paul. He is doing all he can to fight a one man battle against the Patriot Act but Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is doing his best to extend the Patriot Act without any debate taking place.

Top Democrats are attempting to claim that even debating the renewal of Patriot Act provisions would "endanger" national security.

Of course most Republicans are not going to stand in the way because they absolutely love the Patriot Act.

If you still believe that the Patriot Act is a good idea, you should watch this video, and you should read this recent article.

#29 If you display the wrong political message on your car, you may find law enforcement officials cracking down on you.

A 73-year-old Virginia resident was recently kicked out of a national park for displaying a sticker promoting "Ron Paul’s Campaign for Liberty" on his car.

The following is an excerpt from a recent Rutherford Institute report about this incident....

The Rutherford Institute has come to the defense of a 73-year-old Virginia resident who was allegedly ordered by a park ranger to remove his car from a national military park in South Carolina because of political messages attached to his vehicle. Jack Faw, whose ancestors fought in the historic battle memorialized at Kings Mountain National Military Park, contacted The Rutherford Institute after being told by a park ranger that the decal promoting a political organization associated with Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), which was displayed on the back window of Faw's car, was not allowed in the park.

#30 Brutal crowd control techniques are not just for major events anymore. Recently, riot police in Illinois used tear gas, LRAD sound weapons and crowd suppression tactics against a bunch of college students that were just blowing off some steam at a year-end block party at Western Illinois University.

#31 The U.S. government is gathering more information on all of us than ever before. According to a recent article in the Baltimore Sun, every six hours the volume of information that the NSA gathers is equivalent to the entire Library of Congress.

Nobody is anonymous anymore. The truth is that the U.S. government, governments across the globe and major international corporations have more information about you than you probably ever dared to imagine.

#32 If you think things are bad now, just wait until you see what global authorities have planned for the future.

Are you ready to live in a "Planned-opolis"? Are you ready to use a "calorie card" and to have what you eat determined by a "global food council"?

The following video was originally produced by the Forum for the Future, a major NGO funded by big corporations such as Time Warner and Royal Dutch Shell. In this video, the Forum for the Future presents their chilling version of the future....

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/663/648/32_Signs_That_The_Entire_World_Is_Being_Transforme d_Into_A_Futuristic_Big_Brother_Prison_Grid.html

[MAGNES]

Freedom, in a political sense, can have ONLY one meaning: the absence of interference from other men. There are two ways this can be achieved: either one man or a small select number of men can so absolutely dominate, subjecate, and impoverish all other men around them to the point that they are no longer able/willing to interfere with the "overlords" (which amounts to freedom for a small number of men at the expense of all others)... OR...

A society can be implemented which STRICTLY and HARSHLY punishes any and ALL interference (coercion and fraud) between men, REGARDLESS of their "position", "status", "rank", etc. Of course, this requires a "government", which holds the MONOPOLY on the USE of interference (in the form of armed coercive police, military, and courts) to administer retaliation/ceasation against those men who choose to violate the society's "prime directive" of non-interference among men - and therin lies the problem:

Throughout history, on those ultra-rare occasions where men attempt to set up a government "for the people", the "scum" floats to the top, and manipulates the entity (government) which is charged with STOPPING coercion into an entity that acts as an INSTRUMENT of plunder and coercion. I believe that Thomas Jefferson was VERY aware of these dynamics, and that is why he urged eternal vigilance and constant revolution of the government, along with more specific warnings against the AGENTS of coercion (bankers and unchecked government agencies).


You bring up lots of good points.

The Founding Fathers were great students of the Classics.

Where does freedom come from ?

It comes from one place, people being involved, beholden to no one, independent.

This whole world is full of idiots/apathetic and it is up to the philosopher kings/truth tellers to lead them out of the cave/matrix.

There is a reason why the 1st Amendment is the 1st Amendment .

"A Slave is he who cannot speak his thoughts."-Euripides

The reason for the 2nd Amendment .

[Horn]

Euripides


And Here's another "insider" that thinks he can give away my password.

What the hell am i gonna do now :conf:

[Book]

What the hell am i gonna do now :conf:



http://www.culturewars.com/images/WatchingMTV.jpg

Regress back to your mis-spent youth and post yet another music video from jew-controlled MTV as you usually do?

:D God forbid you re-read the OP and return to the thread topic

[mightymanx]

I have never understood how people can condem governments control of a population meanwhile they say that religion is the only way to be free, when in fact religion is the oldest form of control on the planet.

I know that control systems hate competition but really?

[hoarder]

Most of you have read "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" at least once. You remember what it says about "freedom"?

Ideologies are weapons. Freedom is not immune to this.

If one group does what is strategic for their mutual long term benefit and another group seeks "freedom", which group perishes and which group reigns?

[Book]

Most of you have read "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" at least once. You remember what it says about "freedom"?

Ideologies are weapons. Freedom is not immune to this.

If one group does what is strategic for their mutual long term benefit and another group seeks "freedom", which group perishes and which group reigns?



http://www.davidhasselhoffonline.com/discography/lookingforfreedom/LookingForFreedomCDCover.jpg

http://www.tomgartman.net/PatBoone/pat_boone_in_a_metal_mood_front_big.jpg

Exactly. Jew teevee and jew hollywood and the jew music industry "strategically" preoccupies the goyim with silly "Freedom" nonsense while the jews themselves meanwhile accumulate all the real power that buys real economic freedom.

[nunaem]

... while the jews themselves meanwhile accumulate all the real power that buys real economic freedom.


You've figured it out: Freedom = Power

[hoarder]

You've figured it out: Freedom = Power
Freedom is the ideology of the individualist. I should know, I suffer this personality type myself.

WTSHTF, individualists will quickly fall prey to gangs of thugs because individualists have no human support and few close allies. Their greatest strength is their greatest weakness and they will end with bullets in the back of the head.

Of the small percentage of people who resist or oppose tyranny, the vast majority are of the "individualist" personality type.

So how does a tribe of tyranny neutralize this opposition? By permitting our greatest strength to become our greatest weakness. Sell them an ideology of liberty that defines ALL men (not just individualists) as individuals alone, not as part of a whole or part of a collective. Individualists loathe the latter and will easily swallow such an ideology.

Having adhered themselves to the ideology of freedom, they have nullified themselves. They are prevented from ever uniting with other freedom loving individuals who might have otherwise united against tyranny as America's Founding Fathers did.
Freedom is power. Without it someone else will have it and use it against you.

[nunaem]

Ayn Rand played a big role in turning old school Spencerian individualism based on natural law into the perverted free-for-all atomized individualism. Spencer understood that your race was your extended family and sharers of your genes and thus an extension of your self, this makes race and individual inseparably tied. Under Randian doctrine your self is an island and everyone else, kin and alien alike, are other.

[Book]

Having adhered themselves to the ideology of freedom, they have nullified themselves. They are prevented from ever uniting with other freedom loving individuals who might have otherwise united against tyranny as America's Founding Fathers did. Freedom is power. Without it someone else will have it and use it against you.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTXlWYdodnc

Conformity and teamwork is essential at times. Glorifying non-conformity and The Self is how jew teevee and jew Hollywood weakened and defeated us from within. Just look around now. They are even suing the Boy Scouts of America (http://www.bsalegal.org/litigation-222.asp) out of existence.

:o

[solid]

Freedom is indeed under attack.

However, we can all choose how we react, or proact, to that. I am a free man. It's how I choose to live. I make my choices, and stand by them...pay for them, if needed. But, my choices. We have more choices and freedoms than I think we actually realize..

I don't think cowering and hiding, out of fear, achieves freedom. Indeed, the opposite, it's our courage that will prevail. My two bits.

[MAGNES]

I have never understood how people can condem governments control of a population meanwhile they say that religion is the only way to be free, when in fact religion is the oldest form of control on the planet.

I know that control systems hate competition but really?


You guys are wrong.

If it wasn't for Christianity you would all be Muslim or dead right now.

That's a fact that scholars themselves discuss.

I have some key aspects of that history on here.

Christianity was freedom in the beginning, it was an answer to barbarity and injustice.

Jesus fought the same enemy we fight today, that all of you claim to fight, the FED and those behind it.

Don't mistake organized monopolization of power and some of the crimes and injustices perpetrated as representative.

More good was done than harm

The Magna Carta itself is a Christian Document as well.

CHRISTIANS BUILT THE WEST, it is no accident.

The war is on the West, Christians, Europeans, White Man.

Some of the greatest fighters and defenders have always been Christian.

Even today like Ted Pike and the old school preachers, and Martin Luther, the list goes on, never ending.

I got good threads on this totally related as well. Just ignore the facts of history.

The Jews hate the Christians and work against them for a reason, and they hate Plato, and the Classics
for a reason.

[MAGNES]

Research Charles The Great and the Carolingian Renaissance.

You wouldn't even be speaking English and writing or learning Latin
the way you do right now, by force of arms Europe was united,
destruction was stopped, the Church saved literature and works,
writing, Latin, Muslims were expelled, The Roman Church was a
check on the power of the King, and Rome was checked by
Byzantium, a balancing act of power, Europe was brought out
of the dark ages by Christians, and rebuilt slowly, all the while
under attack, on two flanks for hundreds of years.

The forces that are working against us now are working to bring us the dark ages.

I believe that strongly.

I think they did it before as Eustace Mullins highlights, and to many peoples.

They dumbed down the population for a reason. If the population can't recognize
important Western history and Western leaders over time, good luck being free,
it ain't going to happen, more so since the same battles are being fought by the
same players. West vs East . People even in the recent past knew the score
enough to defend themselves, political correctness has weakened everyone.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=7575;type=avatar

[skid]

Magnes, the pre Christian Europeans were as free as any people ever were. Nobody invaded them and took them over either. The Greeks/Romans/germanic tribes drove back many hordes

[mightymanx]

I have never understood how people can condem governments control of a population meanwhile they say that religion is the only way to be free, when in fact religion is the oldest form of control on the planet.

I know that control systems hate competition but really?


You guys are wrong.

If it wasn't for Christianity you would all be Muslim or dead right now.

That's a fact that scholars themselves discuss.

I have some key aspects of that history on here.

Christianity was freedom in the beginning, it was an answer to barbarity and injustice.

Jesus fought the same enemy we fight today, that all of you claim to fight, the FED and those behind it.

Don't mistake organized monopolization of power and some of the crimes and injustices perpetrated as representative.

More good was done than harm

The Magna Carta itself is a Christian Document as well.

CHRISTIANS BUILT THE WEST, it is no accident.

The war is on the West, Christians, Europeans, White Man.

Some of the greatest fighters and defenders have always been Christian.

Even today like Ted Pike and the old school preachers, and Martin Luther, the list goes on, never ending.

I got good threads on this totally related as well. Just ignore the facts of history.

The Jews hate the Christians and work against them for a reason, and they hate Plato, and the Classics
for a reason.


I said Religion. this applies to all them in my mind, hindu, buddist, catholic, Islam, and yes even the Jews all forms of my team is better than your team control system.

[G2Rad]

Think of God in terms of freedom

Notice that God is not free

* He is bound by his word
* He is bound by who he is

Compare that to Mr. Satan. ....


food for thought.


Recently we had a fantasic thread on free will, which belongs to this discussion.
I am going to re-read that thread again when time allows.

[hoarder]

Magnes, the pre Christian Europeans were as free as any people ever were. Nobody invaded them and took them over either. The Greeks/Romans/germanic tribes drove back many hordes
Back then they weren't infiltrated by Khazars trying to divide and conquer them. Whatever tribal identity they had was enough to unite them.

[DMac]

Magnes, the pre Christian Europeans were as free as any people ever were. Nobody invaded them and took them over either. The Greeks/Romans/germanic tribes drove back many hordes
Back then they weren't infiltrated by Khazars trying to divide and conquer them. Whatever tribal identity they had was enough to unite them.


Whatever tribal identity they had was enough to unite them.

This is an important point that modern political correctness has been steadily eroding with each passing day of consumed propaganda, through media.

It is an "elephant in the room," so to speak.

In poor areas, "tribal identity" rules. Why? The 'have-nots' have not swallowed enough propaganda to trust and believe in groups other than that what they know. Poor communities do not see all men as equal. They see themselves and mistrust outsiders. This is not an ideal situation, but a reaction to the inequalities that are impossible to miss when you are a 'have-not'.

I am not saying that races cannot be mixed in 1 tribe, but that the inherit protectionism that comes with tribalism should not be lost in learning to accept that we are all equal. We are not all equal and never will be. Treating people equally under the color of the law (which I firmly believe in) is not the same thing as thinking all men are the same (equal) - because we are not. Environment begins to mold our personalities from the moment we exit the womb. We are created equally but that ends shortly after our first gasp of air.

Adding to the point hoarder wrote - "Back then they weren't infiltrated by Khazars trying to divide and conquer them. Whatever tribal identity they had was enough to unite them." - earlier forms of tribalism did not look kindly on outsiders. Outsiders can lead to problems.

I believe this to be a fact of human nature.

[Horn]

Conformity and teamwork is essential at times.

http://justgetthere.us/blog/uploads/ObamaLogo.jpg

[Ash_Williams]

WTSHTF, individualists will quickly fall prey to gangs of thugs because individualists have no human support and few close allies. Their greatest strength is their greatest weakness and they will end with bullets in the back of the head.

Of the small percentage of people who resist or oppose tyranny, the vast majority are of the "individualist" personality type.

So how does a tribe of tyranny neutralize this opposition? By permitting our greatest strength to become our greatest weakness. Sell them an ideology of liberty that defines ALL men (not just individualists) as individuals alone, not as part of a whole or part of a collective. Individualists loathe the latter and will easily swallow such an ideology.

Having adhered themselves to the ideology of freedom, they have nullified themselves. They are prevented from ever uniting with other freedom loving individuals who might have otherwise united against tyranny as America's Founding Fathers did.
Freedom is power. Without it someone else will have it and use it against you.

There's always infighting among individualists but in the face of a real problem it will fade.
It's also very dangerous to the rulers as it requires no coordination, no leadership, etc.
I think for the most part it's been bred out of the masses and the goal of individualists should be to build wealth and power. Perhaps freedom for those who really desire it, and status quo for the rest.

[Horn]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Maprl.png

The jews have a much better foothold in the green nations.

Maybe we should just tear down the rule of law all together? :oo-->

[dys]

Too often this type of discussion devolves into one of absolute freedom. Absolute freedom= I can do whatever I want. I can steal your money, kill your dog, rape your wife, whatever. No one with any moral compass wants this, yet it is discussed in the abstract all the time. Why?
The freedom that most of us actually want has a limit on it, best characterized by the saying- 'the freedom to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose'. The key to understanding the saying is that it works both ways. Not only can I not clock you, you can't clock me. This type of freedom, imo, is NOT impossible. It's very practical, moral, and just. My opinion as to why it does not exist in the real world is that the vast majority either don't want it, or don't care about it. Sadly, we are not like the other people.

Would this change without flouride, mind control, indoctrination, propoganda? I can't say for sure, but my gut feeling is that it would NOT change. Most people want to be led.

dys

[Ash_Williams]

Would this change without flouride, mind control, indoctrination, propoganda? I can't say for sure, but my gut feeling is that it would NOT change. Most people want to be led.

I agree. First of all they've been bred to be led.
As Hoarder already pointed out, people who would prefer to live as individuals are often easier targets.
I think you'll find they also have fewer children because of being less social and not having a partner, and also by choice when they do have a partner.

Even without the breeding, most of us know nothing else. The idea of freedom can be uncomfortable. "Who will be (forced) to take care of me?" "Who will make sure things are safe for me (so that I don't have to)?" "Who will protect me (from my own stupidity)?"

[Book]

http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2009/08/06/face-tattoo_XThRt_1822.jpg

We must support his Freedom. It's why the mooslims hate us.

[Sparky]

Would this change without flouride, mind control, indoctrination, propoganda? I can't say for sure, but my gut feeling is that it would NOT change. Most people want to be led.
...
I agree. First of all they've been bred to be led.
...


I dunno. Haven't most of us been bred to be led, but are trying to break free? How were we able to overcome the breeding?

[Sparky]

http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2009/08/06/face-tattoo_XThRt_1822.jpg

We must support his Freedom. It's why the mooslims hate us.




I do support his freedom, don't you? I question his judgment, but support his freedom. Do the mooslims hate our judgment or our freedom?

[Book]

I do support his freedom, don't you?



http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2009/08/06/face-tattoo_XThRt_1822.jpg

Of course you "support" his freedom. You think he has employment?

:D

[mightymanx]

Why should anyone care if he is employed?
Is it a requirement in your HOA?

[G2Rad]

Of course you "support" his freedom. You think he has employment?


Today's "support that dude’s freedom" means that I must shut up and “tolerate” him.

In other words I am not free to express my disgust.

"support his freedom" means that I am forbidden from “hurting his feelings”. I must not say anything that can "offend" him verbally.

What kind of freedom is that?

Sodomites offend me with their parades; they hurt my feelings real bad

Why their parades are “expression of freedom” but it is a taboo and bigotry to "hurt their feelings"

so-called “freedom” is when they are free to do anything and we are not free to say anything.

Look how intolerant are those who are all for tolerance. Look how momentarily a stupid film-maker was kicked out of festival for idiotic joke about Nazis. Wait, where is tolerance? Where is freedom?

“support his freedom” in reality means “shut up your mouth”

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

To be truly free we need an adequate discussion of what constitutes true harm - this would address the problem that G2Rad brings up.

[G2Rad]

as I said before and few people picked up

many here bought gold because they did not believe main-stream propaganda years ago

congratulations, .... you woke up from the level one

deception goes much deeper

you think we are kokooes, tin-hat, fantasy-world conspirators-idiots?

have you talked to your friends about buying gold 10 years ago?
what did they say to you?

……

everything you've been taught from the day you were born is a lie

your thoughts and ideas were carefully implanted

you have been living in MATRIX

You must de-program

[Horn]

Of course you "support" his freedom. You think he has employment?

:D


Most likely he deals in the same business that did that to him.

Look Book, we all understand your self reflected perfection, and also understand how Freedom and Slavery are used by tptb.

We're all just little concerned that you're free falling down that very same slippery slope to conformity... ;D

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/5958410/Bob+Geldof+from+The+Wall++Pink+Floyd.jpg

[G2Rad]

your thoughts and ideas were carefully implanted


flash-back

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2494291415376995856&emb=1&hl=en#

[G2Rad]

flash-back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN-SiP7k3mA

[G2Rad]

flashback

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTetScuoS58

[G2Rad]

flashback

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa_EGQHxzRY

[G2Rad]

flashback into 60-es - 70-es for lazy couch potatos

;D

[Bullion_Bob]

I have never understood how people can condem governments control of a population meanwhile they say that religion is the only way to be free, when in fact religion is the oldest form of control on the planet.

I know that control systems hate competition but really?


You guys are wrong.

If it wasn't for Christianity you would all be Muslim or dead right now.

That's a fact that scholars themselves discuss.

I have some key aspects of that history on here.

Christianity was freedom in the beginning, it was an answer to barbarity and injustice.

Jesus fought the same enemy we fight today, that all of you claim to fight, the FED and those behind it.

Don't mistake organized monopolization of power and some of the crimes and injustices perpetrated as representative.

More good was done than harm

The Magna Carta itself is a Christian Document as well.

CHRISTIANS BUILT THE WEST, it is no accident.

The war is on the West, Christians, Europeans, White Man.

Some of the greatest fighters and defenders have always been Christian.

Even today like Ted Pike and the old school preachers, and Martin Luther, the list goes on, never ending.

I got good threads on this totally related as well. Just ignore the facts of history.

The Jews hate the Christians and work against them for a reason, and they hate Plato, and the Classics
for a reason.


I'm not so sure about that. If religious fanatics didn't kill, burn, mutilate, jail, and ostracize, non religious folks throughout history there would be plenty of non religious people alive and well regardless of which flavor.

Has there been any war ever in history where religious beliefs didn't help, or outright instigate, the killing of innocents because they didn't obey an ultimately invisible self proclaimed ideology?

Christians didn't exclusively kill Muslims because they didn't follow "the one".

[Book]

Look Book, we all understand your self reflected perfection, and also understand how Freedom and Slavery are used by tptb.

We're all just little concerned that you're free falling down that very same slippery slope to conformity...



:oo-->


Dissociative identity disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis and describes a condition in which a person displays multiple distinct identities or personalities (known as alter egos or alters), each with its own pattern of perceiving and interacting with the environment.

In the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems the name for this diagnosis is multiple personality disorder. In both systems of terminology, the diagnosis requires that at least two personalities routinely take control of the individual's behavior with an associated memory loss that goes beyond normal forgetfulness; in addition, symptoms cannot be the temporary effects of drug use or a general medical condition.[1] DID is less common than other dissociative disorders, occurring in approximately 1% of dissociative cases,[2] and is often comorbid with other disorders.[3]

[Book]

To be truly free we need an adequate discussion of what constitutes true harm...



You can post whatever "discussion" you want in this thread. You are truly free to do that here.

:)

[Book]

Why should anyone care if he is employed?



Oh...he has the "Freedom" to look like a freak and thus intentionally become unemployable supported by the taxpayers.

:oo-->

[Book]

http://www.judgemichaelandrews.org/father_son_fishing.jpg

Many of us learned about Freedom from our dads. Some the hard way. Whenever we disregarded our neighborhood's sense of common decency they called him in to straighten us out. I imagine most of the idiots now in prison didn't have a father around to teach them about personal responsibility towards our neighbors.

|--0--| don't blame it on a Church

[mightymanx]

Why should anyone care if he is employed?



Oh...he has the "Freedom" to look like a freak and thus intentionally become unemployable supported by the taxpayers.

:oo-->


Perhaps you should show him your HOA badge and put a lein on his property.

[D sciple]

We are angels who got booted out of heaven. We are on a prison planet.

If your white, your probably a descendant of Israel. The law (given to Moses) is good. You get your own piece of land to grow your own food. Debts are forgiven every 7 years. Sure the homos get killed, but I'm not really for them, lol. Deut. 4:2 states that laws cannot be added or subtracted from the Law that was handed down. Always remember that this law is more than a moral code, it is governmental policy as well.

Some of you out of fear of Jews, will cut off your face to spite your nose. When you hear Law, you immediatly think, "Ooh, Jewish propaganda." The Jews do not follow the law and only comprise 1 (2 if you include Benjamin) tribes out of 12. I'm not even sure the modern day babylonian talmudist even claim to be a descendant of Judah. No, their not pushing the law on you. The bible however constantly does, and you need a hell of a lot of b.s. rationalisation to avoid the many scriptures that do.

Read Deut. ch 28 to see the punishments (to the people as a whole) for forsaking the law. The law was your best shot at freedom here in hell. Nothing else will work as far as a governmental system.

I'm tempted to say, "We need to man up and start sniping governmental officials left and right", lol, but I'm not sure thats legal to say, and we might be too far gone. (meaning, I only think there are about 1 in 62000 people here who are wise enough to embrace the law, making a revolution futile)


Also the map of which nations the Jews (Idumeans) control needed to atleast contain Russia also.

[G2Rad]

We are angels who got booted out of heaven. We are on a prison planet.


you admit to be one of the devils? how many other devils are with you?

[Son-of-Liberty]

11 was born when

Satan demanded equality with God

He leads rebelion for "freedom"

Freedom (11) is how your leaders salute each other.



If God didn't like Satan, he wouldn't exist.

God must endorse Satan.




Either that or he is not all powerful. Good point.

[G2Rad]

If God didn't like Satan, he wouldn't exist.
God must endorse Satan.



it is like the moment Devil thought "independetly", - God must yell "off with his head"

how about giving him a chance to prove his point?

Suppose you dislike me, so,... is that enough for you to murder me?

what kind of justice is that?

is God afraid of thoughts to the point of killing innocent?

Does "simple desire for freedom, education, progress and equality" justify murder on spot?

you guys got to be kidding

[G2Rad]

he is not all powerful. Good point.


aha, that is Allah kind of power

if you are too stupid to prove your point, - just murder your opponent. problem solved.
put a sword to his throat and make him say Allah Agbar, like if it makes you right and him wrong

that is stupid

that is power-of-a-monkey with atomic bomb

[G2Rad]

oh yea, keep petting each other on the back and give me the smites

Keep pretending to be logical and smart


your lives are your lives

live them as you wish

I got better things to do

I am done "preaching"

[Horn]

I am posting not to insult, but as "food for thought"

re-examining main stream media/culture "sacred cows"

please don't take it personal



http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Kjylu0EOgbI/S8QmYSMK1rI/AAAAAAAABUM/eeNCSDHhn0w/s1600/Sermon+fail.jpg

[G2Rad]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Kjylu0EOgbI/S8QmYSMK1rI/AAAAAAAABUM/eeNCSDHhn0w/s1600/Sermon+fail.jpg


I can't take no credit?

....

good

[Horn]

50% is like 11. 8)

[gunDriller]

And yet that euphoria/crisis cycle gave rise to the prosperous period of 1945-1965 that we look back upon with such fondness.


American died in WWII.


or 1865...

or from the beginning.


i would say that America died on Nov. 22, 1963.

up till then, we had a president who would stand up to Israel - JFK told them "ixnay" on the nuclear weapons.

we also had a president who stood up to his own military, and told them to forget about killing Vietnamese civilians.

we had a president who was willing to forcefully audit the Fed, and the CIA.


but once Israel & the American war-toy-boyz killed JFK, they virtually had to kill RFK.

also, in 1963, Americans would still vote for a stridently anti-Israel candidate - e.g. Paul Findley
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Findley

... actually, the people of Illinois first elected him in 1961. he lost to Dick Durbin in 1982, and retired.

also, America still made stuff - America's manufacturing industries were strong.

the currency was strong - a 10 cent silver dime bought a lot of stuff.

America was a net exporter of oil, though that was not managed well ... instead of trying to make it last 1000 years, the oil industry (=Bush) went for the quick cash.


isn't it interesting that 1964 was the last year that America had genuinely valuable currency ? i suppose the 40% silver halves that were made from 64 to 68 count somewhat, but in 1964 the US had dimes, quarters, and half dollars, all 90% silver.

i wonder how much of the switch away from silver was related to the assassination of JFK, and how much was related to the need to finance the Vietnam War by debasing the currency.


overall, the US still had a chance to not let Israel-supporters run the world.

but, after Nov. 22, 1963, look what happened in 1967 when Israel killed 34 American soldiers and civilians in the USS Liberty incident. nothing happened ... LBJ was speechless.

and so the path was laid for 2001, when Israel got away with killing 2800 Americans (i would attribute some of the deaths, the WTC plane crashes, to Al-CIA-da).

Israel would not have been able to pull a 9-11 or a USS Liberty before Nov. 22, 1963.

[Gaillo]

Gundriller...

Pretty good synopsis, but JFK was fighting an uphill battle against forces that had already become firmly entrenched going back at LEAST to the time of the War of Northern Aggression, and probably earlier than that... I'm guessing slightly post-Andrew Jackson. I don't think Kennedy knew the true scope of what he was fighting, although some of his writings and speeches near the end seem to indicate that he had figured out that it was a global conspiracy involving some of the wealthiest and most corrupt men in the world.

I'm thinking the final nail in the coffin of The United States of America was driven in during the mid-to-late 1800's, it's all been window dressing and sideshows on the way to total collapse since then.

[gunDriller]

Gundriller...

Pretty good synopsis, but JFK was fighting an uphill battle against forces that had already become firmly entrenched going back at LEAST to the time of the War of Northern Aggression, and probably earlier than that... I'm guessing slightly post-Andrew Jackson. I don't think Kennedy knew the true scope of what he was fighting, although some of his writings and speeches near the end seem to indicate that he had figured out that it was a global conspiracy involving some of the wealthiest and most corrupt men in the world.

I'm thinking the final nail in the coffin of The United States of America was driven in during the mid-to-late 1800's, it's all been window dressing and sideshows on the way to total collapse since then.


i would put the date at that point in time when there was "no turning back", when America still had the strength to fight the Talmud-worshippers & other influences who would try to warp the incredible vision that American's founders had.

but i am rather ignorant of 1800's history.

one thing i did wonder is, to what extent the American Civil War was actually part of a struggle involving the Talmud-worshippers & their hold on the US government. i know that a lot of slave-traders were Jewish, and i vaguely recall that the North may have been trying to stop the slave-trading. but i'm sure the bankers had major tentacles in the North, too.

but the good stuff i know about the 1800's, e.g. the way Nathan Rothschild used the Battle of Waterloo (1812-ish) to manipulate markets and grow the family fortune hugely ... definitely didn't come from my public school history education.

[Horn]

The war of Northern Aggression was a creation of European powers to split the nation in two.

The same European powers that brought the U.S. into WWI & WWII.

The same European powers that create & strengthen the globalist bonds & chains today.

[Book]

I would say that America died on Nov. 22, 1963.



I agree that is as good a milestone as any for the reasons you posted. It all went to shit after that.

http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2008/03/23/19/00/1963_chevrolet_corvette_coupe-pic-16999.jpeg

The 1963 Corvette Coupe (http://www.vettefinders.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/corvette.Vette101Story/ID/4) was introduced at a base price of $4,257. Gas was less than 30-cents per gallon and they washed your windshield and checked your oil.

[sirgonzo420]

he is not all powerful. Good point.


aha, that is Allah kind of power

if you are too stupid to prove your point, - just murder your opponent. problem solved.
put a sword to his throat and make him say Allah Agbar, like if it makes you right and him wrong

that is stupid

that is power-of-a-monkey with atomic bomb




But basically God DOES kill those who go against Him.

That's why people die in the first place, and are damned to burn in the fires of Hell for all eternity.

The punishment seems a bit steep for some guy and his wife eating some fruit thousands of years ago. God even saw it all coming! Hell, He wrote the script!

[sirgonzo420]

If God didn't like Satan, he wouldn't exist.
God must endorse Satan.



is God afraid of thoughts to the point of killing innocent?





Apparently the God character of the bible is!

He got so mad when Man ate from the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil" that He made Adam and his wife to die, made thorns on roses, etc, and damned all Adam's unborn children and all their progeny for all eternity.

That seems like a divine temper tantrum, to put it lightly...

And God knew it all would happen before Creation.

[G2Rad]

But basically God DOES kill those who go against Him.

That's why people die in the first place, and are damned to burn in the fires of Hell for all eternity.

The punishment seems a bit steep for some guy and his wife eating some fruit thousands of years ago. God even saw it all coming! Hell, He wrote the script!


But basically God DOES kill those who go against Him rules.

The punishment seems a bit steep for a first look only.


you said "some guy and his wife ate some fruit". They did, and look at the consequences of that.
Billions saw death, including God's own son.


I's like you saying in you defense – “what could be the big deal about me bending my finger?”

You omit to tell that your bending of the finger squeezed trigger of a gun that killed an innocent man.

Finite man has no idea what horrible havoc he can inflict upon huge and perfect Universe by one stupid activist-action.

I hate to tell it, but we simply too stupid (in comparison) to anticipate all the consequences, therefore we must do what we are told.

Did you just feel inside of you your nature jumping against this idea?

;D

I did feel it.

we must not do whatever-we-want. we must obey the rules

[G2Rad]

we must not do whatever-we-want. we must obey the rules


Satan's freedom to do whatever-we-want is immoral

is that why "freedom" is the most sacred cow of the propaganda machine?

[gunDriller]

we must not do whatever-we-want. we must obey the rules


Satan's freedom to do whatever-we-want is immoral

is that why "freedom" is the most sacred cow of the propaganda machine?

this reminds me of John Paul Rosenberg, aka Werner Erhard, the cult leader of est, back in the 70's & 80's.

total "anything goes" organization, home-based in San Francisco.

[Horn]

Once again its about control.

If the top has all the freedom to dictate policy, hell will soon follow.

Always has, always will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqgZnvfJ9Jg

[Neuro]

Gundriller...

Pretty good synopsis, but JFK was fighting an uphill battle against forces that had already become firmly entrenched going back at LEAST to the time of the War of Northern Aggression, and probably earlier than that... I'm guessing slightly post-Andrew Jackson. I don't think Kennedy knew the true scope of what he was fighting, although some of his writings and speeches near the end seem to indicate that he had figured out that it was a global conspiracy involving some of the wealthiest and most corrupt men in the world.

I'm thinking the final nail in the coffin of The United States of America was driven in during the mid-to-late 1800's, it's all been window dressing and sideshows on the way to total collapse since then.
The way the Federal Reserve act was waltzed through in 1913, would suggest that America was in the grips prior to that, allthough I don't think their power was deeply entrenched until the 1930's. JFK's destiny was sealed when he turned against the jewish bankers, and the fact that his death was not really investigated, but whitewashed, shows that they were deeply in power then...

[Horn]

It was after WWII and the beaver 50's, is when it all changed into "a way" of being American.

This is when America died. Turned to empire.

[Book]

Once again its about control.



You posting that jew Mel Brooks video that insults and demeans Christianity?

:oo--> ...as usual

[mightymanx]

Once again its about control.



You posting that jew Mel Brooks video that insults and demeans Christianity?

:oo--> ...as usual

So how is it bad to demean a control system that slaughtered tens of thousands in the name of their god but then condems Islam and every other religion for the same exact thing?

Are we supposed to take a knee bow and worship that behavior?

Are you really condoning that behavior?

I know it is a control system that you desire to follow but really?
:taunt:I know you don't worship jews just every single other control system

[G2Rad]

slaughtered tens of thousands in the name of their god

how many did Jesus slaughter? does the Bible say: murder in the name of Jesus?

[mightymanx]

slaughtered tens of thousands in the name of their god

how many did Jesus slaughter? does the Bible say: murder in the name of Jesus?


None

But the control system based on his book has killed millions. I don't have a problem with worshiping a god it is the religion that causes death and suffering that pisses me off.

Look at Ireland the Cathlocs and Protestants killing each other for their religon and they worship the same god. :boom Their control systems were what started the fight. so off they go to the holy slaughter

Am I the only one that sees the hypocracy and the sad irony in this?

[Book]

But the control system based on his book has killed millions.



The same book that says that jews are God's Chosen People?

:oo--> that why you despise that racist book?

[mightymanx]

But the control system based on his book has killed millions.



The same book that says that jews are God's Chosen People?

:oo--> that why you despise that racist book?




I treat it like any other book, the korran, the teachings of Buddha, all of them pick one they hold equal power over me which is zero.

If you need a book to worship have at it. I personaly want no part of it. I look at what the following of religon has brought society and there is a whole lot of death and suffering is caused because people's books are different from each other.

I am not against spirituality or worship but the control system that is based around that is what I consider evil.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYxHGMbE7X8&feature=fvwrel

[D sciple]

I would say Israelites (true descendants not modern Turkish usurpers) are Gods chosen people (naturally Judah was one of the 13 tribes of Israel and therefore are a part). In fact the word Jew doesn't even appear in the Old Testament (to my knowledge, please post otherwise).

Its really a genius takeover that these Edomites (Idumaeans) have pulled. Jacob vs. Esau the battle continues....

[Horn]

You posting that jew Mel Brooks video that insults and demeans Christianity?

:oo--> ...as usual


Clearly aimed at the Holy Roman Empire, and or Church of England.

What always happens when you try to bottle all the "freedom" to interpret God's will into the hands of a few humans at the top.

TpTb must be currently revising many of the history books to leave out the real reasons for the exodus from Europe.

Once again staying ahead of the curve...

[Book]

TpTb must be currently revising many of the history books to leave out the real reasons for the exodus from Europe.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t7a66vbrN0

[G2Rad]

slaughtered tens of thousands in the name of their god

how many did Jesus slaughter? does the Bible say: murder in the name of Jesus?


None

But the control system based on his book has killed millions.



If the answer is "None", than the control system is NOT based on his Book.

Has this country gotten into the deep doodoo by following its Constitution?
Because of acting against the Constitution we are scrued.

Because the laws of the Constitution are thrown out of the window we are scrued.

Human nature does not change, ..... because they did not follow the law of God they killed millions

therefore do not blame God's book for dids made against God's law.

[G2Rad]

Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

[Dogman]

I find G2Rad's post in another thread very thought-provoking. I agree with him:




True America is no more

It died out

what is left is 77 million of aging sex-crazy dope-smoking Hippy-Punk godless “revolutionaries”, plus a bunch of foreigners

neither have any idea what America is/was

Corruption of baby-boom generation murdered America in 60-ies

And the party began ….. Now, the fruits of labor of their fathers is sold to China and India. Future of the generations-to-come is mortgaged. Country is given away to strangers.

What else do they have left that can be sold?
………………………………………

Before 60-es there were American Values. Remember how you despised "traditional values"; remember how you despised obedience and “strict” rules of American ways.

You got your revolution, you overthrew your fathers; there is no more authority and no more moral values to restrict you anymore

The glue is undone;

Enjoy fruits of your fake “freedom”




Book on this one I have to agree with you, but I feel it started in the 40's and 50's if not a tad earlier. The country fought WW2 and in Korea, and the generation that grew up during that time, the ones that fought and not, started having kids. And A bunch of them were sick of war, so when the Vietnam hell hole started a bunch of them did not want anything to do with it or their kids to have anything to do with it. Remember we had a draft. That is why I joined the af instead of being drafted into the army, If I was going to be shot at I wanted to limit that as much as I could so 4 years served instead of 2(My number was 4).

So with the draft, and the growing Vietnam conflict with the growing numbers being drafted , the anti war movement began. Then add the music of the time.

In the 50's the beatnik thing also was gaining traction, and the fusion of several different kinds of music created rock and roll that really got the attention of the young and had a astronomical impact on that generation and some of the one before it, and absolutely on the generations after. With the anti war movement starting and very powerful music to help carry the message.

So here we have a war/conflict that was not liked in general but tolerated mostly until the 68 tet offensive. That and the boys coming home dead and mangled, combined with the anti war movement , perfect storm!

Not all of the kids of the time went the hard core hippy rout which mainly formed because the us has been in one war and 2 conflicts in the last 25 or so years, and with a cold war still going on. The kids did not want to be part of a system that had anything to do with it. Most played at it and then grew up to be responsible citizens.

But the true radicals had a perfect recruiting grounds with some communist help (Hanoi Jane) and other groups. The play hippy's in time got tired of playing the game, and a bunch of the radical types in collage stayed and became teachers, and others went into the public system and politics, think of all of the generations of kids that they had the perfect opportunity to poison young minds. And kids grow up.

So yes your post Book is correct!

Moral values have gone to the shit house. And the mind set has been I'm going to make mine and the hell with the rest! That can be seen on how booms such as the tech, housing, and other booms before and after, created the mess we are in now.



But as far as freedom goes, this country is still hard to beat, yes tptb are slowly chipping away at our freedoms. But few if any other country's on this world can do better.

Had a thought about this forum, and the members and what is posted here in the name of freedom of speech, some I agree with and some I do not. But they have the right to say what they feel and think.

Try that if we all were living in say china, and spoke our minds as we do here. I do not think our boat would float very long.

Hang on it is and will be a scary and dangerous ride down the shitter.

[Horn]

You can basically fast forward to 18:12.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke2hloDrb1c

[Book]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6e/M%2AA%2AS%2AH_TV_cast1.jpg
The series premiered in the US on September 17, 1972, and ended February 28, 1983, with the finale becoming the most-watched television episode in U.S. television history with 105.97 million viewers.




Americans didn't know what to THINK (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/M*A*S*H_%28TV_series%29) about the war until they turned on jew teevee. Then their RADIO (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr93.html).

|--0--| great post Dogman

[Dogman]

You can basically fast forward to 18:12.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke2hloDrb1c




The guy does make some very good points and observations.