Can a Jew legally cancel his Jewishness?

[Horn]

A famous Israeli author's recent court request to be categorized as 'without religion' raises many issues concerning the existential definitions on what it means to be Jewish.

The tumult around author Yoram Kaniuk and his eagerness to jettison his Jewishness, as if discarding an inaccurate adjective, stems from realities that he did not create, and begets opportunities that he would never anticipate.

RELATED:
Growing up with Yoram Kaniuk

Earlier this month, Kaniuk petitioned the Tel Aviv District Court with a demand that
the Interior Ministry change his religion in the Population Registry from "Jewish" to "Without
Religion" (the same status as his 10-month-old grandchild, whose grandmother - Kaniuk's wife - is an American Christian).

On one hand, Kaniuk symbolizes a reality with which every modern Jew has to reckon: that we live in a universe of personal choice unprecedented in Jewish history, both in Israel and especially in other parts of the world. Our Jewishness competes in a marketplace of affiliations and choices; and needless to say, sometimes it wins and sometimes it loses. Kaniuk represents the instinct of many Jews to see their Jewishness as ornamental or - put differently - merely a fragment of an identity much more complicated than belonging to a ‘people’ usually demands. It is disappointing when this happens, and to my mind reflects a misunderstanding of a key - if at times exasperating - feature of Jewishness: being Jewish entails belonging to something more than a set of personal choices.


At the same time, if we are to resist the Kaniuks of the world; if we are to claim that we belong to something bigger than our idiosyncratic selves, to a people whose parameters are more than just a set of religious behaviors; and if we are to allow this big Jewishness to define the cultural and ethnic qualities of a Jewish country; then a separate and surprising challenge emerges.

The people of this people, our communities, must find better ways to tolerate within its parameters a diversity of political and ideological positions, including those we might find completely repugnant. The Jewish nation has always countenanced extraordinary diversity of thinking and behavior; it is just perhaps that at other times in our history the explicit boundaries between ‘us’ and ‘others’ were high enough that we found ways to co-exist by necessity. Now, we find ourselves frustrated on one end by desires to shunt a complex identity into becoming a vestigial adjective; and on the other, by those who stay in our midst but voice ideas and expressions of their Judaism, credibly developed from within the same tradition, that we find problematic.

For about a quarter-century, the American Jewish community has done a decent job at building a culture of pluralism around issues of religion: community day schools have sprouted up, Hillels model the ability of diverse religious communities worshiping under the same roof, fellowship programs bridge denominational divides. Increasingly, pluralism - especially for non-orthodox Jews – is somewhere between ‘taken for granted’ and the defining Jewish identity for many American Jews. Functionally, religious issues like diversity of practice and differences of faith are the underlying reality of Jewish life rather than a challenge that must be overcome.

But we are mistaken if we interpret this as evidence that pluralism is over: rather, the need for pluralism has shifted to a new realm. Pluralism is best tested - and for that matter, is only meaningful - when we seek it out in places of meaningful difference, in contexts defined by intransigent ideologies. Our current condition is that we lack a peoplehood pluralism. We lack the desire for and a set of tools to deal with competing national ideologies among people who take for granted that they belong to the same whole.

If Jewishness is indeed an ethnic or kinship category, it is telling and surprising that our community persists in creating ideological and political boundaries and redlines around participating in communal life, and defines the legitimate discourse of Jewishness in such explicit ways. Aren’t these instincts fundamentally at odds with one another? In this respect, the overlap in the news cycle between the Kaniuk controversy and the Tony Kushner flap is very telling, and hints at the central locus in which the absence of peoplehood pluralism is manifest - in the increasingly crippling Jewish anxiety about Israel that is inclining us to erect internal barriers around ideas about the Jewish state.

Now some of this anxiety is real, rooted in meaningful external and internal threats to the safety and security of the state and people of Israel. It is understandable, to some measure, that we see in some ideas a danger to the sense of kinship or shared ethnicity that lies at the heart of this way of thinking about Jewishness. But anxiety cannot be the ultimate driving force for identity and a communal public policy. Anxiety betrays a loss of confidence in the kind of authenticity about what we believe in, and the instinctual erecting of boundaries around ideas ultimately makes for barriers to participation and stifles a meaningful discourse. Anxiety breeds not growth but constriction. With the genuine challenges facing the Jewish people, constricting growth, creativity, and confidence is entirely backwards.

This, of course, is easier said than done. But here is one metaphor that I hope we will find useful in thinking through this challenge of how we make for a community that can countenance complicated ideas in the interest of preserving that very underlying notion of community: In my own Zionist upbringing, I learned about all the various and diverse ways in which pre-state Zionists expressed their attachment this multifaceted ideology: There were political Zionists, who worked towards achieving sovereignty for the Jewish people; cultural Zionists, oriented towards a revival of Hebrew culture; and religious Zionists, who sought to unite earthly realities with messianic ideals. There were labor Zionists and revisionist Zionists, radical activists and conciliatory diplomats, spiritualists and territorialists.

The eclectic pre-state thinking about Zionism, in other words, manifested in a de facto pluralism of ideas. The absence of a concrete manifestation of these ideas allowed them to cross-pollinate in service of a broader, broadly shared, aspirational goal. In practice, of course, this fight was not always easy and not always pretty; and we are reminded that Judaism has always been better about seeking and going than actually arriving. When we are seeking, when we are out of place, our tradition fosters extraordinary intellectual eclecticism and creativity, and the pluralism comes easy. When these ideas have to become policy, we tend to lose the ability - and more sadly, the momentum - to work on what it will be like to preserve the pluralist ethic.

Would it be possible to find a way to reanimate this kind of aspirational pluralism of ideas - what Zionism once embodied - back into that same difficult conversations about what the Jewish collective really is and what it demands? The American Jewish community has done reasonably well, over the past generation, with the broad pluralism project; its new frontier is with respect to the discourse on Israel. I want to be a Jew and a Zionist in the classical and messy sense, surrounded with swirling and conflicting ideas about what being Jewish in a competitive marketplace entails, about the challenges of multiple identities, prepared to wrestle with the many options of what the State of Israel can be and what it can embody for the Jewish people and for the world.

Of course, it will be intense and heated; pluralism should not be the muting of basically uninteresting and non-polarizing difference. Meaningful pluralism comes from strength and sincerity, not weakness and not anxiety. A Jewish community that wants to see itself as a people had best be prepared for a disparate set of ideas that define that people, and had best start preparing to tolerate and moderate the heated conversation about those ideas among its many committed stakeholders. Like the many challenges we have faced, I think the Jewish people – all of them, in all their differences – can handle this one.

http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Features/Article.aspx?id=222303

[Antonio]

Yes, only 2 things are needed to be done, order a bacon cheeseburger at the local diner and leave a hefty tip.

[Horn]

Yes, only 2 things are needed to be done, order a bacon cheeseburger at the local diner and leave a hefty tip.


Is that before, or after foreskin replacement?

[Twisted Titan]

of course the can..

because something like that would futher confuse the masses and keep the death grip on the goyim that much tighter.

that is like a banker giving up on the power of usury

how ironic I just killed two birds with one stone

[hoarder]

Whether or not a Jew can cancel his Jewishness is a technical question....whether or not such cancellation amounts to a hill of beans or not remains in doubt.

The Jewish World, December 14th, 1922: "The Jew remains a Jew, even when he changes his religion; a Christian who adopts the Jewish religion would not thereby become a Jew, because the quality of the Jew does not lie in the Religion, but in the Race, and a Jew free-thinker atheist remains as much a Jew as any Rabbi."

[Book]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gC9z_jwexd8/RvLKmnbBY9I/AAAAAAAAARI/AsRe1mgH8MA/s320/hyenas%2Bfor%2Bpets.jpg

[ShortJohnSilver]

Here is the problem:

1. When the "collective view" of people benefits them, they use that. e.g. "We have been persecuted for 1000s of years due to our being Jews..."

2. When the "person as an individual" view of people benefits them, they use that. "Well, sure the Rothschilds and Warburgs are evil usurers who set up the Federal Reserve, but that was them, not me..."

This guy removing his Jewishness legally, means all the other Khazars can do the same. Thus this forces a choice on them they would prefer not to make, as it is more convenient to be able to switch between #1 and #2 as needed.

[sirgonzo420]

Whether or not a Jew can cancel his Jewishness is a technical question....whether or not such cancellation amounts to a hill of beans or not remains in doubt.

The Jewish World, December 14th, 1922: "The Jew remains a Jew, even when he changes his religion; a Christian who adopts the Jewish religion would not thereby become a Jew, because the quality of the Jew does not lie in the Religion, but in the Race, and a Jew free-thinker atheist remains as much a Jew as any Rabbi."


Jews remain jews according to halakha.


How does a white man cancel his whiteness?

[hoarder]

How does a white man cancel his whiteness?
Like this, maybe:

[Ponce]

As far as I know only someone born of a Jewish mother is a "real" Jew, no matter what, and will remain a Jew for ever........you can "convert" a monkey by putting him in a coat and tie but will remain a monkey.

[Santa]

Can a Jew survive cutting his nose off to spite his face?

[gunDriller]

A famous Israeli author's recent court request to be categorized as 'without religion' raises many issues concerning the existential definitions on what it means to be Jewish.

The tumult around author Yoram Kaniuk and his eagerness to jettison his Jewishness, as if discarding an inaccurate adjective, stems from realities that he did not create, and begets opportunities that he would never anticipate.

RELATED:
Growing up with Yoram Kaniuk

Earlier this month, Kaniuk petitioned the Tel Aviv District Court with a demand that
the Interior Ministry change his religion in the Population Registry from "Jewish" to "Without
Religion" (the same status as his 10-month-old grandchild, whose grandmother - Kaniuk's wife - is an American Christian).
...
Of course, it will be intense and heated; pluralism should not be the muting of basically uninteresting and non-polarizing difference. Meaningful pluralism comes from strength and sincerity, not weakness and not anxiety. A Jewish community that wants to see itself as a people had best be prepared for a disparate set of ideas that define that people, and had best start preparing to tolerate and moderate the heated conversation about those ideas among its many committed stakeholders. Like the many challenges we have faced, I think the Jewish people – all of them, in all their differences – can handle this one.

http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Features/Article.aspx?id=222303



many newspaper articles exist because they need some text in order to sell ads.

and they have to have articles that are interesting but not too newsworthy.

nothing about Israel's involvement in 9-11.


let's see ... looking at the JPost ... let's see if an ad for APMex comes up ... no, there's an ad for Michele Bachmann ... uh-oh, looks like she's one of the 2012 Pres. candidates that Israel is supporting.

i wouldn't be surprised to see Israel push a Palin-Bachmann ticket.

because Israel is so interested in promoting human rights & women's rights.

[gunDriller]

As far as I know only someone born of a Jewish mother is a "real" Jew, no matter what, and will remain a Jew for ever........you can "convert" a monkey by putting him in a coat and tie but will remain a monkey.


so if Madeleine Albright mates with an orangutang monkey, the result will be - Planet of the Jewish Apes ?

[General of Darkness]

LOL, it's like trying to get out of the mafia. You get out when you're dead.

I do like pictures though.

http://www.idiomeanings.com/idioms/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/spots-300x293.jpg

[Neuro]

As far as I know only someone born of a Jewish mother is a "real" Jew, no matter what, and will remain a Jew for ever........you can "convert" a monkey by putting him in a coat and tie but will remain a monkey.


so if Madeleine Albright mates with an orangutang monkey, the result will be - Planet of the Jewish Apes ?
It has to be a blind orangutang!

[Buddha]

I would imagine that there is a fee involved to cancel ones Jewishness.

[sirgonzo420]

How does a white man cancel his whiteness?
He accepts U.S. citizenship under the 14th amendment.


Haha!

Nice, palani!

[Book]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbezJZNYcyE

[gunDriller]

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ8p5Tl61iSUMmvwpZADXgBQoQ6z_fx2 YgGo_JjqKDxKhNroErT

how much plastic surgery do you think Kyra Sedgwick has had ?

one thing i admire about her, her and Kevin Bacon are still together, they have honored their marital vow.

but my guess she's had a nose job, and a lip job.

http://www.stud-center.com/wallpaper/kyra-sedgwick/kyra-sedgwick-14954.jpg

and breast augmentation.


she's Jewish, she was one of the investors over-compensated in the Madoff scam.

about the Madoff thing ... by confessing to a fraud, Madoff caused to be invoked a law whereby the US gov. would pick up the tab for his "poor investors". bail them out at $1.00 on the dollar, instead of 25 cents or 10 cents like most people got.

$65 Billion worth of compensation for the poor victimized Madoff investors - at the expense of the General (Gentile) public.

now THAT is a scam.


i think Jewish ness depends a lot on behavior. If a Jewish person conspires with other Jewish people to maintain the "chosen people" status of the self-chosen people, then they are definitely Jewish.

in the case of Kyra Sedgwick, she allows her writers to continuously write a "scary Muslims" theme into the show. it's a cop show, in some ways a comedy, but with lots of gristly murders and maggot-covered corpses to add to the visual effect.

would you believe they actually use a flock of chickens in one show to eat the maggots off the corpses ?

anyway, she could stand up and say, "sorry, i'm not doing Israeli propaganda on my show".

but she does the Israeli propaganda, so she is not only Jewish, she is criminally Jewish - she is participating in the larger crime of the War/on of Terror.


to summarize, Sedgwick is Jewish in her behavior because she allowed herself to be compensated for alleged losses in the Jews-only investment fund run by Madoff.

and she is Jewish because she allows her show to be used as War of Terror propaganda.


if she put her foot down and said, "sorry, assholes, i don't participate in Jews-only investment funds, and i don't go along with your sick War of Terror", then whether she is Jewish is a private matter, like whether she celebrates Chanukah or Christmas.

[sirgonzo420]

about the Madoff thing ... by confessing to a fraud, Madoff caused to be invoked a law whereby the US gov. would pick up the tab for his "poor investors". bail them out at $1.00 on the dollar, instead of 25 cents or 10 cents like most people got.

$65 Billion worth of compensation for the poor victimized Madoff investors - at the expense of the General (Gentile) public.

now THAT is a scam.


That's incredible...

Do you have a link for that?

[Ponce]

As far as I know only someone born of a Jewish mother is a "real" Jew, no matter what, and will remain a Jew for ever........you can "convert" a monkey by putting him in a coat and tie but will remain a monkey.


so if Madeleine Albright mates with an orangutang monkey, the result will be - Planet of the Jewish Apes ?


Gun? no need to wait, that's what we have right now.

[Neuro]

Would it be kosher for a jewess to consume marriage to Kevin BACON?

[gunDriller]

about the Madoff thing ... by confessing to a fraud, Madoff caused to be invoked a law whereby the US gov. would pick up the tab for his "poor investors". bail them out at $1.00 on the dollar, instead of 25 cents or 10 cents like most people got.

$65 Billion worth of compensation for the poor victimized Madoff investors - at the expense of the General (Gentile) public.

now THAT is a scam.


That's incredible...

Do you have a link for that?


the 3 late March 2011 webcasts with Rafeeq at
http://iamthewitness.com/

i'm uploading then to Skydrive. i have a hard time finding old files on his website, but they're good.

Rafeeq does a great job explaining naked shorts. and they talk about the Madoff scam in detail.

in actuality, i don't know all the numbers for sure. i do know that they received substantial compensation from the US gov., for losses that normal investors would have just "eaten".

Madoff was a retired head of the SEC, so he knew the laws pretty well.


i think the public knows that the US gov. compensated "victims" of Madoff, i think that made it into the media.

but that compensation was kicked in, by Madoff confessing to a crime for which there is no need for evidence - just the confession of fraud.

in other words, they've written the laws in a way that Chosen People can receive compensation at government expense - and they're using the laws to get full Chose People treatment.

now that is Jewish, unfortunately.


they're 60 MB, might take a while to upload to Skydrive.

[Dogman]

Would it be kosher for a jewess to consume marriage to Kevin BACON?


As long as she does not bite hard! ;D

[Santa]

Would it be kosher for a jewess to consume marriage to Kevin BACON?


As long as she does not bite hard! ;D


Ahahaha :D....She'd have to take her teeth out.

[gunDriller]

Would it be kosher for a jewess to consume marriage to Kevin BACON?


as long as she doesn't swallow ? :o


Ahem, OK i have the URL's for those Rafeeq-DBS webcasts, i uploaded them to MSN SkyDrive ... they're in the Cloud, Man !

One or more of them is about Madoff, Rafeeq discussing details of the Madoff scam with Daryl Bradford Smith.

Mohammed Rafeeq is a career financial trader (currencies, commodities, stocks) in London, and a lifetime anti-Zionist. makes for a good combination.



http://cid-34bbd2e0b65c0078.office.live.com/self.aspx/Books/TFC.SMITH.RAFEEQ.OGNIR.21-03-2010.mp3

http://cid-34bbd2e0b65c0078.office.live.com/self.aspx/Books/TFC.SMITH.RAFEEQ.25-03-2010.mp3

http://cid-34bbd2e0b65c0078.office.live.com/self.aspx/Books/TFC.SMITH.RAFEEQ.27-03-2010.mp3

[Jewboo]

A famous Israeli author's recent court request to be categorized as 'without religion' raises many issues concerning the existential definitions on what it means to be Jewish.

The tumult around author Yoram Kaniuk and his eagerness to jettison his Jewishness, as if discarding an inaccurate adjective, stems from realities that he did not create, and begets opportunities that he would never anticipate.

RELATED:
Growing up with Yoram Kaniuk

Earlier this month, Kaniuk petitioned the Tel Aviv District Court with a demand that
the Interior Ministry change his religion in the Population Registry from "Jewish" to "Without
Religion" (the same status as his 10-month-old grandchild, whose grandmother - Kaniuk's wife - is an American Christian).

On one hand, Kaniuk symbolizes a reality with which every modern Jew has to reckon: that we live in a universe of personal choice unprecedented in Jewish history, both in Israel and especially in other parts of the world. Our Jewishness competes in a marketplace of affiliations and choices; and needless to say, sometimes it wins and sometimes it loses. Kaniuk represents the instinct of many Jews to see their Jewishness as ornamental or - put differently - merely a fragment of an identity much more complicated than belonging to a ‘people’ usually demands. It is disappointing when this happens, and to my mind reflects a misunderstanding of a key - if at times exasperating - feature of Jewishness: being Jewish entails belonging to something more than a set of personal choices.


At the same time, if we are to resist the Kaniuks of the world; if we are to claim that we belong to something bigger than our idiosyncratic selves, to a people whose parameters are more than just a set of religious behaviors; and if we are to allow this big Jewishness to define the cultural and ethnic qualities of a Jewish country; then a separate and surprising challenge emerges.

The people of this people, our communities, must find better ways to tolerate within its parameters a diversity of political and ideological positions, including those we might find completely repugnant. The Jewish nation has always countenanced extraordinary diversity of thinking and behavior; it is just perhaps that at other times in our history the explicit boundaries between ‘us’ and ‘others’ were high enough that we found ways to co-exist by necessity. Now, we find ourselves frustrated on one end by desires to shunt a complex identity into becoming a vestigial adjective; and on the other, by those who stay in our midst but voice ideas and expressions of their Judaism, credibly developed from within the same tradition, that we find problematic.

For about a quarter-century, the American Jewish community has done a decent job at building a culture of pluralism around issues of religion: community day schools have sprouted up, Hillels model the ability of diverse religious communities worshiping under the same roof, fellowship programs bridge denominational divides. Increasingly, pluralism - especially for non-orthodox Jews – is somewhere between ‘taken for granted’ and the defining Jewish identity for many American Jews. Functionally, religious issues like diversity of practice and differences of faith are the underlying reality of Jewish life rather than a challenge that must be overcome.

But we are mistaken if we interpret this as evidence that pluralism is over: rather, the need for pluralism has shifted to a new realm. Pluralism is best tested - and for that matter, is only meaningful - when we seek it out in places of meaningful difference, in contexts defined by intransigent ideologies. Our current condition is that we lack a peoplehood pluralism. We lack the desire for and a set of tools to deal with competing national ideologies among people who take for granted that they belong to the same whole.

If Jewishness is indeed an ethnic or kinship category, it is telling and surprising that our community persists in creating ideological and political boundaries and redlines around participating in communal life, and defines the legitimate discourse of Jewishness in such explicit ways. Aren’t these instincts fundamentally at odds with one another? In this respect, the overlap in the news cycle between the Kaniuk controversy and the Tony Kushner flap is very telling, and hints at the central locus in which the absence of peoplehood pluralism is manifest - in the increasingly crippling Jewish anxiety about Israel that is inclining us to erect internal barriers around ideas about the Jewish state.

Now some of this anxiety is real, rooted in meaningful external and internal threats to the safety and security of the state and people of Israel. It is understandable, to some measure, that we see in some ideas a danger to the sense of kinship or shared ethnicity that lies at the heart of this way of thinking about Jewishness. But anxiety cannot be the ultimate driving force for identity and a communal public policy. Anxiety betrays a loss of confidence in the kind of authenticity about what we believe in, and the instinctual erecting of boundaries around ideas ultimately makes for barriers to participation and stifles a meaningful discourse. Anxiety breeds not growth but constriction. With the genuine challenges facing the Jewish people, constricting growth, creativity, and confidence is entirely backwards.

This, of course, is easier said than done. But here is one metaphor that I hope we will find useful in thinking through this challenge of how we make for a community that can countenance complicated ideas in the interest of preserving that very underlying notion of community: In my own Zionist upbringing, I learned about all the various and diverse ways in which pre-state Zionists expressed their attachment this multifaceted ideology: There were political Zionists, who worked towards achieving sovereignty for the Jewish people; cultural Zionists, oriented towards a revival of Hebrew culture; and religious Zionists, who sought to unite earthly realities with messianic ideals. There were labor Zionists and revisionist Zionists, radical activists and conciliatory diplomats, spiritualists and territorialists.

The eclectic pre-state thinking about Zionism, in other words, manifested in a de facto pluralism of ideas. The absence of a concrete manifestation of these ideas allowed them to cross-pollinate in service of a broader, broadly shared, aspirational goal. In practice, of course, this fight was not always easy and not always pretty; and we are reminded that Judaism has always been better about seeking and going than actually arriving. When we are seeking, when we are out of place, our tradition fosters extraordinary intellectual eclecticism and creativity, and the pluralism comes easy. When these ideas have to become policy, we tend to lose the ability - and more sadly, the momentum - to work on what it will be like to preserve the pluralist ethic.

Would it be possible to find a way to reanimate this kind of aspirational pluralism of ideas - what Zionism once embodied - back into that same difficult conversations about what the Jewish collective really is and what it demands? The American Jewish community has done reasonably well, over the past generation, with the broad pluralism project; its new frontier is with respect to the discourse on Israel. I want to be a Jew and a Zionist in the classical and messy sense, surrounded with swirling and conflicting ideas about what being Jewish in a competitive marketplace entails, about the challenges of multiple identities, prepared to wrestle with the many options of what the State of Israel can be and what it can embody for the Jewish people and for the world.

Of course, it will be intense and heated; pluralism should not be the muting of basically uninteresting and non-polarizing difference. Meaningful pluralism comes from strength and sincerity, not weakness and not anxiety. A Jewish community that wants to see itself as a people had best be prepared for a disparate set of ideas that define that people, and had best start preparing to tolerate and moderate the heated conversation about those ideas among its many committed stakeholders. Like the many challenges we have faced, I think the Jewish people – all of them, in all their differences – can handle this one.

http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Features/Article.aspx?id=222303


http://8ch.net/pol/src/1449155836436.jpg

[Ponce]

I was born in Cuba and my father was Cuban.......so that I am 75% Cuban and 25% American because my mother was a gringo... I always call myself a Cuban......but in the background I will always also be an American.......man oh man, talking about being all fuck up.

Being a Jew is like a monkey in a tux and bow tie......it will always be a monkey.

V

[Jerrylynnb]

Ponce, I disagree with your depiction of your heritage - where I went to jr and high school (south Texas) that was very common - at least a quarter of the students had anglo/latin parents - they called themselves "volia", whatever that means. They spoke perfect english AND spanish, which gave them a definite advantage over those of us with all anglo (like me), or all latin (like several of my school friends). Some of the leaders in our class, and the most popular at the dances (back in the mid-50's), were these extra special halfsies.

The prettiest girl in school (in my estimation) was the daughter of an anglo cop and a pretty latin mother, and she had four siblings all of whom were smart, attractive, and not one bit defensive about their heritage.

You should be proud - and, I am wondering where the 25% came from - by my 5th grade arithmetic, you are 50-50 - a halfsie? No? I'll bet you were popular with the girls in your time - the ones I knew in high school sure were.

Some mixtures just DON'T MIX, like african and european. But latins do mix with anglos, and often very well. When I went to military school, our company commander was a latin, and, he EARNED that position by just being the best in his class (and he WAS, in my estimation, anyway), because they didn't play favorites at my military school (and this was long before any such foolishness as "affirmative action") - now put that in your pipe and smoke it, senior Ponce!

[Jerrylynnb]

The most irredeemable problem I have with jews is that they won't come clean with you - they seem to always be holding something back, and, you definitely get the feeling that it is something not good for you, but, somehow, they're gonna' make it something good for them.

They always counting their money, and advantage, and, they are quick to complain right away if someone else (not a jew) gets some advantage or special treatment (even if it is well-deserved).

I hear that they are taught to be that way from infancy forward - to NEVER confide in non-jews and to always keep non-jews in the dark about things.

They seem to excel in deception - from starting out telling tall tales (for comical effect), to pulling off giant hoaxes for effect by the time they are in high school -
I think they got special rabbi's who go around making sure that every little jewboy gets a proper Jewboy education, as to how they are supposed to interact with non-jews.

I'll bet there are things yet we non-jews don't know, and ain't never gotten even a hint, about jews that are kept solidly hidden from us - probably that'd make us faint if we knew the whole story.

My answer is simple - let them jews live all by themsevles somewhere, do all their own work (including manual labor), and not interface with any other groups, nor be allowed to import non-jews (as slaves or "help", or for ANY REASON WHATSOEVER), and be able to live solely and exclusively amongst themselves in an inescapable island for all their lives. If they are truly god's chosen, they ought to love that, since they won't have to put up with we lowly "livestock in human form".

And I think we'd like that too, since, if you dig deep enough into practically any problem, sooner or later, you finally get deep enough and unearth just what you'd expect, a jew who started it all and keeps on raking it over.

[Ponce]

LOL Jerry and thanks.....my problem was.....in Cuba I was "El Americanito" ...the little American......and in the US "The Wetback" hahahah........even thou I am pure white skin with green eyes and not even Mexican...... and with an Irish mother that makes me a "Black Irish" LOLLLLLLLLL........my grandpa was 6-2 and blond so that maybe I am even part German, specially after he gave me my middle initial........ R E L T I H ......= HITLER. By the way, I don't smoke...but other do it for me.

V

[Jewboo]

...My answer is simple - let them jews live all by themselves somewhere, do all their own work (including manual labor), and not interface with any other groups, nor be allowed to import non-jews (as slaves or "help", or for ANY REASON WHATSOEVER), and be able to live solely and exclusively amongst themselves in an inescapable island for all their lives...



If we, the sincere humans of planet Earth, wish to survive, we need to neutralize the Jews and put them someplace where they can't hurt anybody else. Hurting, fleecing, robbing, raping and murdering others has been their speciality for thousands of years.


:)
(https://therebel.is/news/kaminski/850570-familiar-killers-eager-to-start-world-war-3)

[Jerrylynnb]

Thanks, Jewboo, Kaminski is MY FAVORITE pundit - I never miss his articles (I'm on his notice list), but, I've been distracted the past two weeks (two broke computers AT THE SAME TIME) and hadn't caught up yet.

Since my heartfelt thoughts about it matched up with what Kaminski stated already, I feel like my mind (and heart) must be working right - if I, a mere retired computer guy, can come up with the same idea as John Kaminski, I must be getting smarter and wiser. I would have referenced his article, of course, had I already had time to get caught up on my reading already - thanks again for bringing it to my attention.

Here is the link - a good read, even now over a week late:

https://therebel.is/news/kaminski/850570-familiar-killers-eager-to-start-world-war-3

[Jewboo]

Thanks, Jewboo, Kaminski is MY FAVORITE pundit - I never miss his articles (I'm on his notice list), but, I've been distracted the past two weeks (two broke computers AT THE SAME TIME) and hadn't caught up yet.

Since my heartfelt thoughts about it matched up with what Kaminski stated already, I feel like my mind (and heart) must be working right - if I, a mere retired computer guy, can come up with the same idea as John Kaminski, I must be getting smarter and wiser. I would have referenced his article, of course, had I already had time to get caught up on my reading already - thanks again for bringing it to my attention.

Here is the link - a good read, even now over a week late:

https://therebel.is/news/kaminski/850570-familiar-killers-eager-to-start-world-war-3

Kaminski is our age and openly says what we are thinking. Kinda a depressing guy so I gotta take him by the spoonful.

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