Adam Kokesh and Group Get Arrested For Dancing At Jefferson Memorial

[Shami-Amourae]

Apparently it's illegal to dance at the Jefferson Memorial. This is such a pathetic irony, since Thomas Jefferson was a champion of free expression.


Before:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5RXqqf9ivc

During:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PDhjNF9eUQ

After:
http://media.bonnint.net/wtop/21/2176/217638.jpg

More info here:
http://www.wtop.com/?nid=41&sid=2401484

WASHINGTON - Several people were arrested Saturday afternoon at the Jefferson Memorial, protesting the recent court decision that upheld a ban on dancing at the memorial.

In April 2008, a group of less than 20 young people came to the memorial as part of a flash mob where they would dance to music played through their headphones.

U.S. Park Police then told the dancers to leave, and eventually arrested one woman on misdemeanor charges, Mary Oberwetter.

Oberwetter fought the charges in court, arguing that dancing was protected free speech, and noting that groups of noisy school children are routine at the memorial.

She lost that case, with the courts agreeing that the U.S. Park service has a duty to maintain decorum at the nation's monuments, and no demonstrations are allowed inside the monuments.

Earlier this month, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia upheld the earlier decision.

The group that gathered at the monument Saturday was there in protest of the upheld ban.

Andrew Sharp, one of the protesters, says they were told they would not be given a warning and would be immediately arrested if they started dancing in the monument.

"I think some people thought it was a joke at first, and then they started putting handcuffs on people and were very, very serious about it," says Sharp.

Sharp says there were about a dozen protesters, and five of them were arrested.

"It's good that only five people got arrested, but there were many more than that there that were supportive and were there to protest the ruling," adds Sharp.

The memorial was closed for a short time after the protesters were arrested, but was opened a short time later.

[Horn]

Think its about time we strip all the laws & ordinances back down to the original set of them.

[gunDriller]

i like the idea of a skateboard or roller skating flash mob.

all that smooth concrete, might as well put it to use.

[Spectrism]

They need to show up with 500+ dancers... who do not let the cops abuse any of them.

A group of 4000 would be a sufficient number to shut down the fine officers who are so ernest in protecting amerika from dancers.

[Shami-Amourae]

Looks like there will be a Part 2 (http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=150453268357946). Hopefully more people will show up:

[Shami-Amourae]

The media is starting to cover it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UyiaR1PDhQ

Notice the police officer punching the protestor with the cuff as a brass knuckle.

[Book]

Apparently it's illegal to dance at the Jefferson Memorial.



http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/cnishared/tools/shared/mediahub/05/66/14/slideshow_1146657_fathersday.0622_10(2).JPG

Wait until the local D.C. citizenry starts to join Libertarian Whitey at the Jefferson Dance Party.

:D riot police and the national guard


At the peak of the violent crime wave in the early 1990s, Washington, D.C., was known as the "murder capital" of the United States. The number of homicides peaked in 1991, with 482 murders. As the population of the city was just over 600,000 at that time, this meant that the District's homicide rate was 80.6 per 100,000 inhabitants. By contrast, when New York City, with 7.3 million people at the time, hit its highest homicide count and rate with 2,245 murders in 1990, this meant a murder rate of "only" 30.66 per 100,000.

[Horn]

Getting arrested is so Liberating.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII

[sunnyandseventy]

From one of those pics it appears that leather boots with your pants tucked in is fashionable around DC.

[sunshine05]

I've been thinking about this and while I disagree with the ridiculous law, they knew they would be arrested for this and now the videos are going viral. But, I think Kokesh is discrediting the Ron Paul movement here. There are so many bigger issues, why this? It doesn't sit right with me.

[sirgonzo420]

I've been thinking about this and while I disagree with the ridiculous law, they knew they would be arrested for this and now the videos are going viral. But, I think Kokesh is discrediting the Ron Paul movement here. There are so many bigger issues, why this? It doesn't sit right with me.


I agree. Kinda stupid.

[PatColo]

First interview of celebrity arrested at Jefferson Memorial for dancing (video) (http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/first-interview-of-arrested-jefferson-memorial-celebrity-dancer)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQcmlBV6mYQ&feature=player_embedded

[VX1]

How can an American patriot have anything but the utmost respect for what Kokesh is doing? Ron Paul is great, voting in line with the Constitution and all, but without civil disobedience of all types, we’re just sitting here waiting for the NWO with open arms. Wait no longer, it’s here.

[sunshine05]

How can an American patriot have anything but the utmost respect for what Kokesh is doing? Ron Paul is great, voting in line with the Constitution and all, but without civil disobedience of all types, we’re just sitting here waiting for the NWO with open arms. Wait no longer, it’s here.


I don't have a problem with civil disobedience, but to specifically choose to break a law and intentionally get arrested is not the way to gain followers. I have no problem with organizing protests but I'm suspicious of this.

Kokesh is known as one of the biggest Ron Paul supporters and has a huge following. It just seems like people are willing to go along with anything he does at this point. I think his actions are detrimental to Ron Paul. And now I wonder if that wasn't his intent all along. (sorry)

[VX1]

How can an American patriot have anything but the utmost respect for what Kokesh is doing? Ron Paul is great, voting in line with the Constitution and all, but without civil disobedience of all types, we’re just sitting here waiting for the NWO with open arms. Wait no longer, it’s here.


I don't have a problem with civil disobedience, but to specifically choose to break a law and intentionally get arrested is not the way to gain followers. I have no problem with organizing protests but I'm suspicious of this.

Kokesh is known as one of the biggest Ron Paul supporters and has a huge following. It just seems like people are willing to go along with anything he does at this point. I think his actions are detrimental to Ron Paul. And now I wonder if that wasn't his intent all along. (sorry)


You have to admit though, this falls into the category of “stupid laws that were meant to be broken”. Making dancing illegal on public property is bad enough (another kick in the balls to the 1st Amendment), but then you realize that there is no legal definition of “dancing”. One couple they took down were just standing still embracing each other. That’s something I’d be doing with my wife.

The argument that there are bigger issues? Well, if you’ve been paying attention, Adam Kokesh has certainly done his fair share of speaking out against the illegal wars, 9/11, et al, has he not? The thing about this dancing issue is, it may contextually seem insignificant, but is important because it is clearly unconstitutional. A lot of unconstitutional laws can be justified in the interest of public safety, or whatever, but this one is black & white unjustified tyranny. What better one to push back on?

What does this accomplish? Well, I would say it throws a monkey-wrench in the system, but unfortunately the system of unjust laws is setup to profit from this sort of thing. At least it clearly demonstrates what America has become. We all unknowingly break many, many “laws” everyday. Just wait til it’s your turn to be victimized by it. And more “laws” are coming; bet on that.

I respect anyone who will stand against this flood of tyranny and the destruction of our Republic. I tell ya though, when I see the sheepish comments under Kokesh’s Youtube video, and even see a lack of support here of all places, I can’t help but to think that America is about to get what it deserves. I hate to be down about it, because I know that’s what the controllers want, but every day, I become more convinced that nothing short of an apocalypse is going to change the tide. Seems most people not only want this tyranny, they can’t wait until a reality TV is made about it.

[sunshine05]

VXI - I never said I was a supporter of the no dancing law. I think it's ridiculous but Kokesh set out to get arrested. Maybe it's to gain publicity for his new RT show?

I think in this instance, all of his blind followers are the sheep. His little publicity stunt harmed the Ron Paul movement and maybe that's what he wanted.

[sunshine05]

http://greenlibertarian.net/index.php/news/392-adam-kokesh-gets-tv-show-on-russia-today-rt

New RT show. One month later, who is the first network to do the first interview? Russia Today! Publicity at Ron Paul's expense.

[Awoke]

How can an American patriot have anything but the utmost respect for what Kokesh is doing? Ron Paul is great, voting in line with the Constitution and all, but without civil disobedience of all types, we’re just sitting here waiting for the NWO with open arms. Wait no longer, it’s here.


I don't have a problem with civil disobedience, but to specifically choose to break a law and intentionally get arrested is not the way to gain followers. I have no problem with organizing protests but I'm suspicious of this.

Kokesh is known as one of the biggest Ron Paul supporters and has a huge following. It just seems like people are willing to go along with anything he does at this point. I think his actions are detrimental to Ron Paul. And now I wonder if that wasn't his intent all along. (sorry)


When they make a law that says you aren't allowed to use air anymore, are you going to stop breathing?

[sunshine05]

How can an American patriot have anything but the utmost respect for what Kokesh is doing? Ron Paul is great, voting in line with the Constitution and all, but without civil disobedience of all types, we’re just sitting here waiting for the NWO with open arms. Wait no longer, it’s here.


I don't have a problem with civil disobedience, but to specifically choose to break a law and intentionally get arrested is not the way to gain followers. I have no problem with organizing protests but I'm suspicious of this.

Kokesh is known as one of the biggest Ron Paul supporters and has a huge following. It just seems like people are willing to go along with anything he does at this point. I think his actions are detrimental to Ron Paul. And now I wonder if that wasn't his intent all along. (sorry)


When they make a law that says you aren't allowed to use air anymore, are you going to stop breathing?


That's not fair. There are more productive ways to protest something than to break the law and get arrested for publicity. It was very high schoolish. I'm allowed to disagree with Kokesh's actions w/o agreeing to the set laws.

What is Ron Paul going to say about this? The way I see it, it's a lose/lose for him. If he supports intentionally getting arrested (Kokesh) to make a statement he will lose people; if he doesn't support Kokesh's actions he will lose supporters. When you are in a position to have a huge amount of influence on a presidential candidate, or candidate for any office for that matter, you should probably have the respect to consider how it may effect their campaign.

This would be different had it not been planned, but it was. It was a publicity stunt, nothing more.

[VX1]

What is Ron Paul going to say about this?

What would he say? You think he would support such a blatant unconstitutional and overtly stupid law? You think he's say "OK guys, they said no more dancing, so let's show them how controlled and well behaved we are, and try to stay as still as possible"? He started the revolution, for God's sake. Although he has to act and dignified and congressional, I'm sure he'd like some supporters who aren't just going to rollover and take the tyranny, while expecting him to fix everything.

No one said you support the law. My concern was those who risk openly defying the law, are getting little support from the sheep, of course, but even wavering support here too. Awoke didn't say you supported the law, but is asking what you will do when they outlaw something precious to you. Bend over and take it, because you might embarrass yourself or someone else?

They just outlawed dancing (whatever that is)... with the controllers' big scheme of climate change, "water vapor is a greenhouse gas", and carbon credits, do you doubt a tax/restriction releated to breathing is in the works?

[Awoke]

This is what I was getting at.

Just because they "make a law" doesn't mean that it is just, true or fair. As far as how Ron Paul will react to all that in the public eye, it's hard to say. But my opinion is, knowing he's a mason, I don't look for his acceptance or support anyways. It doesn't take a politician to recognize a bullshit law that is total unfair.

God Bless him for starting a more public awakening. I just hope his intentions are genuine.

Anyways, that is another top.

The principal is, they tell me not to collect rain water. I tell them to go f*ck themselves.

[Serpo]

STOMP OUT DANCING NOW

[sirgonzo420]

It's kind of silly and juvenile.

I am against drug laws, but I don't necessarily endorse people smoking pot in public as civil disobedience, while associating themselves with Ron Paul.

[Horn]

It's kind of silly and juvenile.

I am against drug laws, but I don't necessarily endorse people smoking pot in public as civil disobedience, while associating themselves with Ron Paul.



Every individual has strange idiosyncrasies we must learn to deal with... :)

[Neuro]

I've been thinking about this and while I disagree with the ridiculous law, they knew they would be arrested for this and now the videos are going viral. But, I think Kokesh is discrediting the Ron Paul movement here. There are so many bigger issues, why this? It doesn't sit right with me.
Yes there are bigger issues, but as you pointed out, this is a ridiculous law, and they are enforcing it with vigurous violence. In my opinion this could really turn into something big. Yes a few numbnuts can find it in their hearts to support violent policemen attacking peaceful dancers, but most people would possibly start questioning what land of the free they are really living in... As one of the protesters pointed out, often times the memorial is visited by loud children, what if a child started dancing and a police officer tazed that child, to restore non-dancing at the memorial.

Basically a revolution needs a critical mass of people, and protesting a ridiculous law may actually give this. Protesting an important law or injustice, which most people don't understand, won't give you that.

I am all for it! I was even thinking myself to go to the US for the first time in my life to dance at the Jefferson memorial... Don't discount small things, they may actually change the destiny of mankind!

[Bullion_Bob]

I think the whole right or wrong thing is moot.

Stupid laws call for stupid measures to show people the blatant stupidity of it all.

If anything, this event was a barometer to show the true colors.

If you "dance" " or "move around in a rhythmic fashion", and don't stop when asked, you get beat down, and are abducted against your will.

The whole scenario is totally fucked beyond belief.

[Horn]

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty, than to those attending too small a degree of it.

T.J.

[Book]

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/23500/Thomas-Jefferson-Clown--23695.jpg

Yeah...dance on his grave!

[Bullion_Bob]

Would rolling in your grave be classified as moving around unnecessarily or dancing?

:D

[Libertarian_Guard]

The D.C. Park Police are out of control!

It looks to me like the Park Police were trying to cause a riot.

Why didn't they issue tickets if dancing is against their law?

Body slam someone over public dancing???

I see several public servants that should lose their job over such behavior. And whoever set this as policy should get the boot as well. Public servants work for us.

[Half Sense]

I think we need to get past the idea of "guilt by association". It is un-American and a tactic used by the corrupt media to demonize anyone who loves freedom. Kokesh is responsible for his own actions. He speaks for himself, not for Ron Paul. Let's stop the hand-wringing about what this could do for Ron Paul's campaign. Ideas ultimately stand or fall on their own merit.

[sirgonzo420]

I think we need to get past the idea of "guilt by association". It is un-American and a tactic used by the corrupt media to demonize anyone who loves freedom. Kokesh is responsible for his own actions. He speaks for himself, not for Ron Paul. Let's stop the hand-wringing about what this could do for Ron Paul's campaign. Ideas ultimately stand or fall on their own merit.


Fair enough.


I still think the dancing thing is silly.


Yes, it's even sillier that they got arrested for it.

[VX1]

I think we need to get past the idea of "guilt by association". It is un-American and a tactic used by the corrupt media to demonize anyone who loves freedom. Kokesh is responsible for his own actions. He speaks for himself, not for Ron Paul. Let's stop the hand-wringing about what this could do for Ron Paul's campaign. Ideas ultimately stand or fall on their own merit.


Fair enough.


I still think the dancing thing is silly.


Yes, it's even sillier that they got arrested for it.


Think about it… there’s a big portion of brainwashed so-called Americans who would think the idea of you owning a gun is silly. OK to outlaw that too? In fact, in the end game of these commie-Zionists, they’ll outlaw even the display of a gun in your avatar. You should thank God there’s people willing to risk themselves to push back on the unfolding agenda.

[Horn]

I still think the dancing thing is silly.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb9UND65mto&feature=related

[sunshine05]

Okay, so the way the media is starting to cover this, I believe it is part of a plan. I'm not sure what that plan is, but it's not going to be good.

Judge Napolitano (FoxNews) is involved now, as well as Natural News.

[Shami-Amourae]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R_Dng-wnz8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ3zqvr0zrA

[Horn]

They are a different race of sub-human species.

http://www.comicbookgalaxy.com/blog/uploaded_images/stormtroopers2008-1-738179.png

[Olmstein]

So I was reading Adam Kokesh's Wikipedia entry, and noticed his father, Charles Kokesh, is listed as a "venture capitalist".

Did a little digging on the father, seems he is being foreclosed upon for his home, and a nearby horse farm/polo ground he owns. Also being sued by the SEC.

Who knows what the truth is, but the government is going after the father pretty hard.

[sunshine05]

So I was reading Adam Kokesh's Wikipedia entry, and noticed his father, Charles Kokesh, is listed as a "venture capitalist".

Did a little digging on the father, seems he is being foreclosed upon for his home, and a nearby horse farm/polo ground he owns. Also being sued by the SEC.

Who knows what the truth is, but the government is going after the father pretty hard.



I saw that too, Olmstein. It's pretty interesting. Maybe there is some pressure there due to the charges...an agreement of some sort.

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNltOzHQraE

[sunshine05]

Thank you for posting that. Wow, certainly looks like the same guy. If this is true, my instinct was right all along, that this is about gaining publicity for his new RT show. That is pretty pathetic.

[Son-of-Liberty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNltOzHQraE


Could be the same guy the face seems the same it is hard to tell with the difference in lighting.

The guy in the video displayed on the left seems taller and fatter though. Could just be because of a different clothing and lighting but that is what it looks like to me.

[Horn]

Same dude, Makes me question the authenticity of the new "RT" news channel too.

[sunshine05]

Same dude, Makes me question the authenticity of the new "RT" news channel too.


I agree. I'm suspicious of every media source that jumped quickly on the bandwagon and ran with this....Natural News (which, I've had doubts about for a while), Fox News (no surprise there I guess), RT, Restore the Republic (Gary Franchi), etc.

[Horn]

Some comments from the vid


Different states? Not really. Both clips are filmed in DC. Also, the mark on the shoulder of the officer is the Park Police's official emblem, nothing strange with the fact that the same police man is working as a Park Police on two separate occasions.

[Awoke]

They are a different race of sub-human species.

http://www.comicbookgalaxy.com/blog/uploaded_images/stormtroopers2008-1-738179.png


NWO Pigs.

[DMac]

Good lord folks, trust Russia Today? :conf: :oo--> :yuk :ROFL:

I know the western media model is completely fvcked, but RT is known as KGB today.

It is the FOX news of Russia. FOX sells here for a reason, RT has followed the model and is trying to gain a bigger US audience. I can understand checking stuff out during breaking news events, but don't ever, ever actively follow any show on these channels.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

That said...some more mudslinging at Kokesh:

http://newmexicoindependent.com/44739/dpnm-who-is-adam-kokesh-to-lecture-anyone-on-corruption

http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=16947

http://exlibhollywood.blogspot.com/2010/05/george-soros-threatens-whistleblowers.html

This one is interesting:
http://www.cwbpi.com/AIDS/goons/GAP/kokeshdocs.pdf

Kokesh voluntarily went on 2 tours of Iraq and he fought in Fallujah. I have to wonder about the mental state of a person that volunteers to go to Iraq (twice).

I don't know if he was aware of this at the time, but he (Kokesh) has marched and been associated with co-opted groups affiliated with Soros, ANSWER and others.

Now he is on KGB television.

You do the math.

:wwfg

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

Good lord folks, trust Russia Today?
.....
I don't know if he was aware of this at the time, but he (Kokesh) has marched and been associated with co-opted groups affiliated with Soros, ANSWER and others.

Now he is on KGB television.

You do the math.




Brilliant post brother.

Case closed.

[SWRichmond]

Good lord folks, trust Russia Today?
.....
I don't know if he was aware of this at the time, but he (Kokesh) has marched and been associated with co-opted groups affiliated with Soros, ANSWER and others.

Now he is on KGB television.

You do the math.




Brilliant post brother.

Case closed.


Not so fast. No one here who is slamming Kokesh is explaining why it is OK to be bodyslammed for dancing in the Jefferson Memorial. Maybe someone could explain that? Let me guess: "He had it coming." "He resisted arrest." "He's an asshole anyway so we're happy he got bodyslammed."

[sunshine05]

Good lord folks, trust Russia Today?
.....
I don't know if he was aware of this at the time, but he (Kokesh) has marched and been associated with co-opted groups affiliated with Soros, ANSWER and others.

Now he is on KGB television.

You do the math.




Brilliant post brother.

Case closed.


Not so fast. No one here who is slamming Kokesh is explaining why it is OK to be bodyslammed for dancing in the Jefferson Memorial. Maybe someone could explain that? Let me guess: "He had it coming." "He resisted arrest." "He's an asshole anyway so we're happy he got bodyslammed."


Uh, maybe because he was body slammed by an actor? The whole thing was fake, a propaganda film with code pink. It is sad so many fell for it.

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

Good lord folks, trust Russia Today?
.....
I don't know if he was aware of this at the time, but he (Kokesh) has marched and been associated with co-opted groups affiliated with Soros, ANSWER and others.

Now he is on KGB television.

You do the math.




Brilliant post brother.

Case closed.


Not so fast. No one here who is slamming Kokesh is explaining why it is OK to be bodyslammed for dancing in the Jefferson Memorial. Maybe someone could explain that? Let me guess: "He had it coming." "He resisted arrest." "He's an asshole anyway so we're happy he got bodyslammed."


Are you kidding me? Slamming?
I've seen some level of distrust, a little research collected and presented and left for others to draw their own conclusions.

JBT apologists are outnumbered 10 to 1 on this board. The whole premise of the thread was one of outrage over the brutal use of force.

[SWRichmond]

Good lord folks, trust Russia Today?
.....
I don't know if he was aware of this at the time, but he (Kokesh) has marched and been associated with co-opted groups affiliated with Soros, ANSWER and others.

Now he is on KGB television.

You do the math.




Brilliant post brother.

Case closed.


Not so fast. No one here who is slamming Kokesh is explaining why it is OK to be bodyslammed for dancing in the Jefferson Memorial. Maybe someone could explain that? Let me guess: "He had it coming." "He resisted arrest." "He's an asshole anyway so we're happy he got bodyslammed."


Are you kidding me? Slamming?
I've seen some level of distrust, a little research collected and presented and left for others to draw their own conclusions.

JBT apologists are outnumbered 10 to 1 on this board. The whole premise of the thread was one of outrage over the brutal use of force.




And yet, you still do not answer the simple question: why is it OK for him to be bodyslammed for dancing at the Jefferson Memorial? You can answer all of the questions you want to that I haven't asked, and that might make you feel better about your position. You can defame the messenger, as seems to be your main tactic.

Can you tell me why the treatment Kokesh received is OK?

[sirgonzo420]

Good lord folks, trust Russia Today?
.....
I don't know if he was aware of this at the time, but he (Kokesh) has marched and been associated with co-opted groups affiliated with Soros, ANSWER and others.

Now he is on KGB television.

You do the math.




Brilliant post brother.

Case closed.


Not so fast. No one here who is slamming Kokesh is explaining why it is OK to be bodyslammed for dancing in the Jefferson Memorial. Maybe someone could explain that? Let me guess: "He had it coming." "He resisted arrest." "He's an asshole anyway so we're happy he got bodyslammed."


Are you kidding me? Slamming?
I've seen some level of distrust, a little research collected and presented and left for others to draw their own conclusions.

JBT apologists are outnumbered 10 to 1 on this board. The whole premise of the thread was one of outrage over the brutal use of force.




And yet, you still do not answer the simple question: why is it OK for him to be bodyslammed for dancing at the Jefferson Memorial? You can answer all of the questions you want to that I haven't asked, and that might make you feel better about your position. You can defame the messenger, as seems to be your main tactic.

Can you tell me why the treatment Kokesh received is OK?


It's ok because Kokesh consented... as did the actor that treated him that way.

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

Good lord folks, trust Russia Today?
.....
I don't know if he was aware of this at the time, but he (Kokesh) has marched and been associated with co-opted groups affiliated with Soros, ANSWER and others.

Now he is on KGB television.

You do the math.




Brilliant post brother.

Case closed.


Not so fast. No one here who is slamming Kokesh is explaining why it is OK to be bodyslammed for dancing in the Jefferson Memorial. Maybe someone could explain that? Let me guess: "He had it coming." "He resisted arrest." "He's an asshole anyway so we're happy he got bodyslammed."


Are you kidding me? Slamming?
I've seen some level of distrust, a little research collected and presented and left for others to draw their own conclusions.

JBT apologists are outnumbered 10 to 1 on this board. The whole premise of the thread was one of outrage over the brutal use of force.




And yet, you still do not answer the simple question: why is it OK for him to be bodyslammed for dancing at the Jefferson Memorial? You can answer all of the questions you want to that I haven't asked, and that might make you feel better about your position. You can defame the messenger, as seems to be your main tactic.

Can you tell me why the treatment Kokesh received is OK?



WHO OWES you an answer?

[Horn]

Uh, maybe because he was body slammed by an actor? The whole thing was fake, a propaganda film with code pink. It is sad so many fell for it.

There's nothing proving it was a fake. As i noted below that the same cop might just work the D.C. park beat. (Where both films were taken apparently). Also there were other people getting body slammed that day.

If the cop has had association with Kakesh & the other people have not. It is even more incriminating for the police involved.

[sunshine05]

Uh, maybe because he was body slammed by an actor? The whole thing was fake, a propaganda film with code pink. It is sad so many fell for it.

There's nothing proving it was a fake. As i noted below that the same cop might just work the D.C. park beat. (Where both films were taken apparently). Also there were other people getting body slammed that day.

If the cop has had association with Kakesh & the other people have not. It is even more incriminating for the police involved.


I feel pretty confident they are both staged. If you watch the Jefferson memorial video, the cop in question has on a blue golf shirt and no patches on the sleeves. The shirt looks different than the other officers'. In the other video, something isn't right with that uniform either, the hat maybe...is the badge too big? Something is "off". I'm going to watch it again.

It is way too much of a coincidence that the very same cop would be in both of AK's videos. This is not to be trusted. I applaud those able to see through the BS.

Oh, one more thing - when the cops were cuffing the code pink couple, they were all smiling, the cop and the couple. I don't think any of it was real. (just my opinion)

[Horn]

Oh, one more thing - when the cops were cuffing the code pink couple, they were all smiling, the cop and the couple. I don't think any of it was real. (just my opinion)


What you are suggesting is that the D.C. metro police are complicit with the video & arrests.

This is even more damning then some minor incidents of brutality & stupid ordinance.

The upper echelon and most of the entire force could be taken down over it.

[sirgonzo420]

What's funny is that Kokesh was in the DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA.

The UNITED STATES makes the rules for the District.


I don't even like to be in the post office because of the FEDERAL jurisdiction/law that comes with it.


I bet I could dance in front of the Capitol in Kentucky without getting arrested.


Am I gonna try it?

Probably not. Don't care to look like a retard.

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLdbd_076FM&feature=player_embedded#at=10

[sirgonzo420]

Oh, one more thing - when the cops were cuffing the code pink couple, they were all smiling, the cop and the couple. I don't think any of it was real. (just my opinion)


What you are suggesting is that the D.C. metro police are complicit with the video & arrests.

This is even more damning then some minor incidents of brutality & stupid ordinance.

The upper echelon and most of the entire force could be taken down over it.




"all the world's a stage"



I don't really know what the deal is. He'll, I haven't even watched the video because I don't care for Kokesh, and I don't trust him.

In short: Fuck cops. Fuck Kokesh. And for good measure, fuck DC too.

[sunshine05]

Oh, one more thing - when the cops were cuffing the code pink couple, they were all smiling, the cop and the couple. I don't think any of it was real. (just my opinion)


What you are suggesting is that the D.C. metro police are complicit with the video & arrests.

This is even more damning then some minor incidents of brutality & stupid ordinance.

The upper echelon and most of the entire force could be taken down over it.



"all the world's a stage"



I watched again. The "cop" isn't even wearing a badge:).

[sirgonzo420]

I watched again. The "cop" isn't even wearing a badge:).



Probably to avoid a charge of "impersonating an officer".


lol

[Horn]

I watched again. The "cop" isn't even wearing a badge:).

Probably to avoid a charge of "impersonating an officer".
lol


It would still imply complicity, there must be an arrest record logged in D.C. as evidence.

[Book]

https://tn4th.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/paulson-bernanke-geithner-7702621.jpg

Meanwhile, as America is focused on dancing...

:oo-->

[sirgonzo420]

https://tn4th.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/paulson-bernanke-geithner-7702621.jpg

Meanwhile, as America is focused on dancing...

:oo-->


Too much "Dancing With The Stars".

[Awoke]

He'll, I haven't even watched the video because I don't care for Kokesh, and I don't trust him.



Just watch the video JJ posted. You'll know.

[Son-of-Liberty]

There may be something fishy going on here but I am not going to dismiss the whole thing out of hand because of it. I heard Kokesh on the AJ show and what he said I agreed with. Could there be some sort of alternative motiivation?? Maybe but I don't think that automatically means he works for the NWO.

They're still arresting people for dancing (nothing). At least the video is pointing out the absurdity of it.

Some of you seem to think everyone in the truth movement is compromised and that any sort of action is counter productive.

[Awoke]

No offence intended Thorgrim, but if you heard it on the AJ show then your spidey sense should be tingling imo.

I personally think that these "Alternative media" guys who are in the spotlight are controlled, and trying to gear the "patriots" and "Freemen" and "Sovereigns" up for revolution. I think that the current governments are one ingredient, and the freedom movement are a catalyst ingredient, and the Babylonian Talmudists are stirring the pot.

But what do I know? I don't trust anyone anymore, outside of the Bible, some friends and some family.

EDIT to add, back on topic, I am dead-against NWO pigs arresting people for harmlessly dancing anywhere, for any reason. So long as no-one is getting hurt, wtf?

[DMac]

The obvious thing here that I think everyone agrees with, and as such is not ranting about, is that it's clear dancing at a memorial should not be an arrest causing event.

It's a no brainer.

I appreciate that the thread has turned into a dig into Kokesh session, as he is a relative new comer to the scene (2 years or so?) and is already running his own show on Russia Today.

RT routinely brings up for shows Alex Jones (shill), Webster Tarpley (shill) and (*gasp*) Max Keiser (shill).

These shills are supposed to be exciting for you to hear. It is why they are on the television in the first place.

The moment anyone is picked up and allowed to run with a time slot on major network television, be it US, UK, Russian etc, "spidey senses" or alarm bells should be going off in your head.

These are some of the lessons learned in pursuing truth over the past decade.

[Son-of-Liberty]

I personally think that these "Alternative media" guys who are in the spotlight are controlled, and trying to gear the "patriots" and "Freemen" and "Sovereigns" up for revolution. I think that the current governments are one ingredient, and the freedom movement are a catalyst ingredient, and the Babylonian Talmudists are stirring the pot.


I understand where you are coming from, I have my suspicions too, but the problem with taking that stance is that it basically paralyzes you and reduces your options. No one can be trusted, patriot groups and media are infiltrated and you can't get involved or support them. Maybe the whole Talmudist plan is to cause so much confusion and dissension in the freedom movement that 95% of the patriots stand down and then they can can roll right over us. There is no need for them to light the fuse or kick off a shooting revolution. They are doing just fine rolling ahead the way they have been.

While I also understand that some of you think the whole thing is silly and just a side issue. I also agree with what Kokesh said on the AJ show that he had tried the standard protests on the normal issues and had very little success so he figure it was worth it, to try something odd, to point out the absurdity of the whole police state. It seems to be getting a lot of attention. If let's say 1000 people show up for round two and the police get heavy handed and abusive again it points out to the population that the US is no better then China or any other totalitarian state where free speech and dissent is not tolerated.

[sunshine05]

If let's say 1000 people show up for round two and the police get heavy handed and abusive again it points out to the population that the US is no better then China or any other totalitarian state where free speech and dissent is not tolerated.


Then it's obvious that's what the KGB/Russians/Globalist media wants to portray. Isn't it crazy that Americans will help the Russians produce propaganda pieces?

This whole thing has been a big eye opener for me and over time I've questioned things about the Ron Paul movement but remained loyal because I like his message. It's interesting to me that when I became a supporter in '08 I believed I was "awake", at least far more than the majority of Americans. Now it seems like the RP supporters have actually become sheeple within that movement and I think this is a perfect example of "controlled opposition". I am stepping back now and watching how this thing plays out. I'm not donating any more money to his campaign because I no longer trust him. I believe he should have made a statement about this organized protest on Saturday since Kokesh is so closely linked to the Ron Paul movement. I am disappointed that he hasn't commented on it, but it is further confirmation that this whole movement IS controlled opposition.

I am VERY grateful to have this forum to discuss things like this. You all are the best.

[DMac]

I personally think that these "Alternative media" guys who are in the spotlight are controlled, and trying to gear the "patriots" and "Freemen" and "Sovereigns" up for revolution. I think that the current governments are one ingredient, and the freedom movement are a catalyst ingredient, and the Babylonian Talmudists are stirring the pot.


I understand where you are coming from, I have my suspicions too, but the problem with taking that stance is that it basically paralyzes you and reduces your options. No one can be trusted, patriot groups and media are infiltrated and you can't get involved or support them. Maybe the whole Talmudist plan is to cause so much confusion and dissension in the freedom movement that 95% of the patriots stand down and then they can can roll right over us. There is no need for them to light the fuse or kick off a shooting revolution. They are doing just fine rolling ahead the way they have been.

While I also understand that some of you think the whole thing is silly and just a side issue. I also agree with what Kokesh said on the AJ show that he had tried the standard protests on the normal issues and had very little success so he figure it was worth it, to try something odd, to point out the absurdity of the whole police state. It seems to be getting a lot of attention. If let's say 1000 people show up for round two and the police get heavy handed and abusive again it points out to the population that the US is no better then China or any other totalitarian state where free speech and dissent is not tolerated.


When Kokesh tries to host an event calling for people to throw away their cable boxes, cancel all credit and checking accounts or barter for food and such I will believe he is sincere.

The way I see it is that someone who volunteered to go fight in the latest Iraq occupation, not once but TWICE, has some sort of sociopathic issues going on. If you weren't smart enough to see through the bullshit propaganda the before, then after the first time, just how truthful or awake can you be now?

To me, that is an immediate slow down on the trust bus, if you follow how I'm thinking.

[VX1]

I personally think that these "Alternative media" guys who are in the spotlight are controlled, and trying to gear the "patriots" and "Freemen" and "Sovereigns" up for revolution. I think that the current governments are one ingredient, and the freedom movement are a catalyst ingredient, and the Babylonian Talmudists are stirring the pot.


I understand where you are coming from, I have my suspicions too, but the problem with taking that stance is that it basically paralyzes you and reduces your options. No one can be trusted, patriot groups and media are infiltrated and you can't get involved or support them. Maybe the whole Talmudist plan is to cause so much confusion and dissension in the freedom movement that 95% of the patriots stand down and then they can can roll right over us. There is no need for them to light the fuse or kick off a shooting revolution. They are doing just fine rolling ahead the way they have been.

While I also understand that some of you think the whole thing is silly and just a side issue. I also agree with what Kokesh said on the AJ show that he had tried the standard protests on the normal issues and had very little success so he figure it was worth it, to try something odd, to point out the absurdity of the whole police state. It seems to be getting a lot of attention. If let's say 1000 people show up for round two and the police get heavy handed and abusive again it points out to the population that the US is no better then China or any other totalitarian state where free speech and dissent is not tolerated.

Well, I had just composed a message, but “Son-of-Liberty” just posted exactly what I was going to say.

Yes, shills exist to a degree, and their disinformation is meant to confuse. I see this tactic has been wildly successful in paralyzing the patriot community. Everyone is labeled a shill, and every proposed action is rejected, because supposively, it’s exactly what the controllers want. I tell you what the controllers want, they want their NWO vision fully implemented, and I’m sure they appreciate the lack of organized push-back from those who are wise to their plan.

I’m by far, the most cynical “awake” person of all my family/friends/acquaintances. Although I don’t want to be fooled by a shill, I refuse to be so cynical as to not trust anything or anyone. Actions always speak louder than words. Ron Paul is sleeping with the enemy? He’s got a thirty-year record of voting in adherence to the Constitution? What more do we want?

We’re in the middle of a huge divergence occurring in America. On one hand, the deliberate dumbing-down of most Americans is working all too well, but on the other hand, there’s a great awakening of how the fiat money powers have taken control of the planet and purposefully bringing America to its knees. It saddens me to see this group so paralyzed and disjointed, because it’s our only chance.

[SWRichmond]

I came to this thread and pointed out that, in spite of everything else, Kokesh was slammed to the ground for dancing in the memorial. Some of you said it was an act (but the guy is wearing a shirt that says "police" but I guess that doesn't matter, and a fully-uniformed officer shows up and sees all the blue shirts and does nothing against the blue shirts), but others became really incredibly angry at my mere question: "Why is it OK to get body slammed for dancing?" No one has yet given a real answer to that, but several of you have gotten really irate, thrown insults, etc etc. Lots of character assassination, no refuting the facts about the actual incident.

[sirgonzo420]

I came to this thread and pointed out that, in spite of everything else, Kokesh was slammed to the ground for dancing in the memorial. Some of you said it was an act (but the guy is wearing a shirt that says "police" but I guess that doesn't matter, and a fully-uniformed officer shows up and sees all the blue shirts and does nothing against the blue shirts), but others became really incredibly angry at my mere question: "Why is it OK to get body slammed for dancing?" No one has yet given a real answer to that, but several of you have gotten really irate, thrown insults, etc etc. Lots of character assassination, no refuting the facts about the actual incident.


None of it is ok.

It's all bullshit.

Act or not, whatever, the whole situation is bullshit.

[Shami-Amourae]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JELaHMvtCc

[sunshine05]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JELaHMvtCc


Notice that Kokesh doesn't even address the huge coincidence that the same cop in a different costume was in both videos. And what is the "cop's" name?

Anyone questioning this is referred to as a "hater". I can't believe that anyone still buys this garbage.

[DMac]

^LOL is Kokesh on GSUS?

[DMac]

I came to this thread and pointed out that, in spite of everything else, Kokesh was slammed to the ground for dancing in the memorial. Some of you said it was an act (but the guy is wearing a shirt that says "police" but I guess that doesn't matter, and a fully-uniformed officer shows up and sees all the blue shirts and does nothing against the blue shirts), but others became really incredibly angry at my mere question: "Why is it OK to get body slammed for dancing?" No one has yet given a real answer to that, but several of you have gotten really irate, thrown insults, etc etc. Lots of character assassination, no refuting the facts about the actual incident.


SWRichmond,

I really expect more from you at this stage in the game, having read your posts for years.

Do you honestly think there is a (non-paid) member of this forum that is ok with the jackboots harassing folks over something like dancing at TJ's memorial?

You wrote:"Why is it OK to get body slammed for dancing?" No one has yet given a real answer to that - I answered that earlier.

No, no one does agree with the heavy handed tactics. They are routinely posted (bad cop behavior) and shredded by the members here.

That said, I am having a hard time understanding why you are so vehemently supporting Kokesh? Maybe I am reading too much into your posts and it is a misunderstanding on my part. Also, who is getting irate?

As I wrote above, if you volunteered to go fight in the 2003 Iraq invasion, not once but TWICE, there is something wrong with your 1. moral compass, 2. your ability to be fooled, 3. the strength of character. He wasn't a medic, for example...

Now Adam Kokesh is running for office.

There was a time, early in my "fight the nwo days" I spent time with groups like ANSWER, world cant wait and others. They are a waste of time. Most members are the same folks that bear that human weakness that leads to cult followings.

It has been routinely discussed on sites like this, original GIM, ZH and others that the only way to fight the beast is to take away it's fuel. The primary fuel, is their FIAT currency.

When an Iraq vet that wants to give speeches about fighting tyranny and starts really digging into the issue of personal/local community responsibility, will people like me not be second guessing his motives.

I wonder how much RT is paying him for his show?

There is a reason the methods of actively fighting tyranny are not mentioned on teevee, or if they are, reduced to 30 second sound bites.

[Horn]

When did he say they're doing the next dance party, this weekend?

[Shami-Amourae]

When did he say they're doing the next dance party, this weekend?




Yeah it's Saturday, June 4th.

[Horn]

When did he say they're doing the next dance party, this weekend?


Yeah it's Saturday, June 4th.


So it is an open invitation to D.C. Metro body slammin get down this weekend, WooHoo!!!

Wonder if the force will showup in full riot gear this time for the show?

I can see them already printing large books of summons & infraction notices.

[Shami-Amourae]

RT routinely brings up for shows Alex Jones (shill), Webster Tarpley (shill) and (*gasp*) Max Keiser (shill).


If these are all insider shills then who tells the truth in your opinion?

[SWRichmond]

Some of you guys have absolutely lost the bubble.




SWRichmond,

You wrote:"Why is it OK to get body slammed for dancing?" No one has yet given a real answer to that - I answered that earlier.

No, no one does agree with the heavy handed tactics. They are routinely posted (bad cop behavior) and shredded by the members here.

That said, I am having a hard time understanding why you are so vehemently supporting Kokesh? Maybe I am reading too much into your posts and it is a misunderstanding on my part. Also, who is getting irate?


I'm not vehemently defending him, and I sure don't feel irate. I'm asking a question, and no, you didn't answer that earlier, as far as I can see. I reread your posts. Nowhere do you explain why it is OK, you just launch into the tirade about Kokesh = bad guy. He might be a bad guy. I don't trust RT as far as I can throw it. Does RT have an agenda? Bet your ass they do. Does the fact that they have an agenda make it illegitimate for them to show video of someone getting slammed and arrested for dancing in a public memorial? NO. Does the fact that Kokesh is running for office, or an Iraq veteran, make it ok for him to be treated this way? NO. Why is that so fucking hard to understand?

[Eyebone]

Oh we just want to dance, so we pick a national shrine.

It's so sixties.

[Shami-Amourae]

TERRORISTS!!1!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5nJIx8CA8I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHD6Bm7cVUQ

[Horn]

White people can't dance.

The only black dude there was a S.W.A.T. member...

[Ares]

So did all of those people get arrested?

[Shami-Amourae]

No the government backed down. Though something else that was clearly fucked up (SWAT Teams) but didn't get as much attention happened:
http://www.infowars.com/hundreds-gather-at-jefferson-memorial-to-protest-court-ruling-and-thuggish-cops/

[PatColo]

Deborah Dupre [archive (http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/deborah-dupre)] seems to be suggesting that Kokesh is a provacateur. I'd want to read it again as it seems dubious, based on his '07 campus activities hanging scary moozlemist agitprop posters, and some conflation with uber-zionist (masquerading as "conservative") campus activist David Horowitz... here read it and tell me what to think !?

Nationwide July 4 Protests could fuel racial violence (vid) (http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/caution-order-for-july-4th-unified-resistance-plans-vid)

[iOWNme]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_QsJz7TndI&feature=player_embedded