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MNeagle
28th May 2011, 06:27 PM
Also posted in the law forum, but figured it would get discussion here on the main. Great article worth reading... link:

We’ve Gone from a Nation of Laws to a Nation of Powerful Men Making Laws in Secret (http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2011/05/weve-gone-from-a-nation-of-laws-to-a-nation-of-powerful-men-making-laws-in-secret/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheBigPicture+%28The+Big+Pict ure%29)


Preface: Some defendants are no longer allowed to see the “secret evidence” which the government is using against them. See this and this.

The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that judges can throw out cases because they don’t like or believe the plaintiff … even before anyone has had the chance to conduct discovery to prove their case. In other words, judges’ secret biases can be the basis for denying people their day in court, without even having to examine the facts. Judges are also becoming directly involved in politics with the other branches of government.

Claims of national security are being used to keep the shenanigans of the biggest banks and corporations secret, and to crush dissent.

But this essay focuses on something else: the fact that the laws themselves are now being kept secret.

America is supposed to be a nation of laws which apply to everyone equally, regardless of wealth or power.

Founded on the Constitution and based upon the separation of powers, we escaped from the British monarchy – a “nation of men” where the law is whatever the king says it is.

However, many laws are now “secret” – known only to a handful of people, and oftentimes hidden even from the part of our government which is supposed to make laws in the first place: Congress.

The Patriot Act

Congress just re-authorized the Patriot Act for another 4 years.

However, Senator Wyden notes that the government is using a secret interpretation of the Patriot Act different from what Congress and the public believe. Senator Wyden’s press release yesterday states:

Speaking on the floor of the U.S Senate during the truncated debate on the reauthorization of the PATRIOT ACT for another four years, U.S. Senator Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) – a member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence — warned his colleagues that a vote to extend the bill without amendments that would ban any Administration’s ability to keep internal interpretations of the Patriot Act classified will eventually cause public outrage.Known as Secret Law, the official interpretation of the Patriot Act could dramatically differ from what the public believes the law allows. This could create severe violations of the Constitutional and Civil Rights of American Citizens.

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I have served on the Senate Intelligence Committee for ten years, and I don’t take a backseat to anybody when it comes to the importance of protecting genuinely sensitive sources and collection methods. But the law itself should never be secret – voters have a need and a right to know what the law says, and what their government thinks the text of the law means, so that they can decide whether the law is appropriately written and ratify or reject decisions that their elected officials make on their behalf.







(more at top link)

Ares
28th May 2011, 07:58 PM
The very definition of a totalitarian government.

Horn
28th May 2011, 10:55 PM
The very definition of a totalitarian government.


It's the main reason behind the current & rapid destruction on all counts.

And on the other hand is the rapid & mass creation of laws from Federal & State legislatures that protect the same interests, without any review whatsoever by the people.

Everything else is just a symptom.

D sciple
29th May 2011, 12:10 AM
Also posted in the law forum



where is this law forum? I never switched to vbulletin if that matters

edit: ah I see it, child boards? whatever that means

2nd edit: ok, its a child of politics i guess

gunDriller
29th May 2011, 06:47 AM
didn't they just pass another law,

"May 27, 2011

The Defense Authorization Act or H.R. 1540, aka The Forever War Act of 2012, was overwhelmingly approved by the House of Representatives earlier today on a vote of 322 to 96."

that's from PPlanet, not my favorite source for info.


http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=112_cong_bills&docid=f:h1540rh.txt.pdf

currently uploading it to my own account on Skydrive
http://cid-34bbd2e0b65c0078.office.live.com/self.aspx/Books/HR1540.pdf


... meanwhile, it's 920 pages ... searching for keyword "domestic" ...

"SEC. 111. LIMITATION ON RETIREMENT OF C–23 AIRCRAFT.
17 (a) MAINTENANCE.—The Secretary of the Army shall
18 maintain not less than 42 C–23 aircraft, of which not less
19 than—
20 (1) 11 shall be available for the active component
21 of the Army;
22 (2) 4 shall be available for training operations;
23 and
24 (3) 22 shall be available for domestic operations
25 in the continental United States."


13 ‘‘(6) An evaluation of military working dog
14 breeding programs that addresses—
15 ‘‘(A) the cost of acquiring dogs through such
16 breeding programs compared to the cost of pur17
chasing the dogs;
18 ‘‘(B) a plan for how the Department could
19 better leverage existing departmental and non-de20
partmental domestic breeding programs; and


8 (e) RESEARCH AND EDUCATION.—Research findings
9 shall be disseminated through publications, workshops, and
10 professional conferences. The Center for Military Family
11 and Community Outreach shall hold annually a minimum
12 of five half-day conferences and 20 workshops for social
13 workers, faculty, and students. The Center shall host at least
14 two State-wide or regional conferences (one for military
15 families and one for professionals) concerning military cul16
ture, resources and prevention activities regarding grief,
17 loss, divorce, domestic violence, sexual harassment, suicide,
18 substance abuse, marital discord, financial, PTSD, and
19 separation issues for families, children, and adolescents.


I'm not sure what to make of this bill. Jones is calling it the Forever War Act & saying it authorizes domestic operations. I see no such language in it yet - but that's just after searching for keyword "domestic".

other keywords to search for - "CONUS" (Continental US) ... nope, that word's not in the bill.


not sure if HR 1540 is a big deal or not.

Twisted Titan
29th May 2011, 06:51 AM
when hasn't a "...judge" been polictical?

you can only become a judge by political appointment.

they are just more naked about it now