Police and Firemen Let Man Drown

[Dogman]

Bullshit, the ass hats would not break rules to save man!

California man drowns himself in San Francisco Bay while emergency responders stand by and watch



Text link and pictures here (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/06/01/2011-06-01_california_man_drowns_himself_in_san_francisco_ bay_while_emergency_responders_st.html)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnX1JXCb1zM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnX1JXCb1zM)

[iOWNme]

This guys wanted to commit suicide! Is he ALLOWED to do that?

This is the Hegelian at its finest. People will now DEMAND that Officers and Fireman stop ANYONE trying to kill themselves. (Wait until the economy get REALLY bad). They will use this scenario to pass more draconian DE FACTO legislation to stop citizens from disposing of their own private property.

[Neuro]

IMO it is beside the point, that the man wanted to kill himself, because it could very well had been someone who was drowning for other reasons... The man said that they wouldn't save a child in a similar position if they were on duty, but the policy man said he would if he was off duty! This is fricken sick. They are robocops. No problem tazing people to death for minor misdemeanors, but actually saving someones life who is in distress is an impossibility!

[Neuro]

This guys wanted to commit suicide! Is he ALLOWED to do that?

This is the Hegelian at its finest. People will now DEMAND that Officers and Fireman stop ANYONE trying to kill themselves. (Wait until the economy get REALLY bad). They will use this scenario to pass more draconian DE FACTO legislation to stop citizens from disposing of their own private property.


As far as I know they had no way of knowing that the man was trying to commit suicide, and in the video the policy man stated that he would not attempt to save a drowning child in the same position... The suicide is beside the point IMO.

[MNeagle]

Authorities make changes after first responders watch man drown

CNN) -- Alameda, California, has immediately changed its policies after first responders watched a man drown in San Francisco Bay and did nothing to rescue him.

The man was apparently suicidal, CNN affiliate KTVU reported. After he entered the bay off Alameda Beach on Monday and stood in neck-deep water, then treaded water, police and firefighters who were called to the scene did not set foot in the bay.

The events of Memorial Day were "very difficult and very regrettable," Alameda Interim Fire Chief Michael D'Orazi told CNN Wednesday.

Two things prevented authorities from taking action, he said. First, because it was a crime scene, the police department was in charge. "They felt that going into the water initially might not be the best idea because they were unsure if this individual was armed, the stability of the individual," D'Orazi said.

Also, "there was a policy in place that pretty much precluded our people from entering the water."

That has been changed, he said. "We will be putting into effect a new policy which allows our commander discretion after these circumstances."

The firefighters on the beach "were incredibly frustrated by this whole situation," he said, adding that "they wanted to get in, they wanted to take action."

Local officials said that because of a lack of funding for shore-to-water rescue, firefighters had no one properly trained to go into the water, KTVU reported.

"It's muddy out there. We don't want them sinking. We don't want them in distress," Alameda Interim Police Chief Michael Noonan said in the KTVU report.

One local resident, addressing officials at a meeting about the incident, said, "It just strikes me as unbelievably callous that nobody there with any sort of training could strip off their gear and go and help this person."

In the interview with CNN, D'Orazi said that if firefighters had chosen to enter the water despite the policies, he "wouldn't have an issue with that." But the situation should not recur, because the policies have been changed, he said.

News reports said a woman ultimately tried to save the drowning man, but was too late, and ended up pulling his body to shore.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/06/01/california.drowning/index.html?hpt=hp_t2



(vid at link too)

[Serpo]

Land Police

[Dogman]

Authorities make changes after first responders watch man drown

CNN) -- Alameda, California, has immediately changed its policies after first responders watched a man drown in San Francisco Bay and did nothing to rescue him.

The man was apparently suicidal, CNN affiliate KTVU reported. After he entered the bay off Alameda Beach on Monday and stood in neck-deep water, then treaded water, police and firefighters who were called to the scene did not set foot in the bay.

The events of Memorial Day were "very difficult and very regrettable," Alameda Interim Fire Chief Michael D'Orazi told CNN Wednesday.

Two things prevented authorities from taking action, he said. First, because it was a crime scene, the police department was in charge. "They felt that going into the water initially might not be the best idea because they were unsure if this individual was armed, the stability of the individual," D'Orazi said.

Also, "there was a policy in place that pretty much precluded our people from entering the water."

That has been changed, he said. "We will be putting into effect a new policy which allows our commander discretion after these circumstances."

The firefighters on the beach "were incredibly frustrated by this whole situation," he said, adding that "they wanted to get in, they wanted to take action."

Local officials said that because of a lack of funding for shore-to-water rescue, firefighters had no one properly trained to go into the water, KTVU reported.

"It's muddy out there. We don't want them sinking. We don't want them in distress," Alameda Interim Police Chief Michael Noonan said in the KTVU report.

One local resident, addressing officials at a meeting about the incident, said, "It just strikes me as unbelievably callous that nobody there with any sort of training could strip off their gear and go and help this person."

In the interview with CNN, D'Orazi said that if firefighters had chosen to enter the water despite the policies, he "wouldn't have an issue with that." But the situation should not recur, because the policies have been changed, he said.

News reports said a woman ultimately tried to save the drowning man, but was too late, and ended up pulling his body to shore.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/06/01/california.drowning/index.html?hpt=hp_t2



(vid at link too)



That bunch of butt sniffers are making like "Crayfish" backpedaling as fast as they can, to cover their asses.
Crime scene my ass! No one was trained! bullshit! Not a lick of moral backbone in any of them.

Hope the survivors sue the city's collective ass's off, and heads roll.

For something like this to happen, is a sad note on how this country has fallen.

[learn2swim]

Oh, government, please save me!

[Book]

This guys wanted to commit suicide!



Fine. He can do it without my tax money stopping him.

[willie pete]

I guess this guy was probably fired later on for going against Policy and jumping in.... :D
..on a side note, I'm pretty sure it IS against the law to commit suicide...thats what a "Baker Act" is all about... ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5nTuEzMpzo

[mightymanx]

We are still years behind the UK.

I tried to find the story but it disapeard of the net.

A few years back a car landed in a river and the rescue workers let a child die in a carseat while waiting for divers from another county.

The car was in about 3 feet of water and you could have steped on the hood while keeping a foot on the bank. If I remember corectly the child froze to death.

[Twisted Titan]

ah yes.........the infamous "lack of funding " comes into play now........ Look at any tax bill the most bloated part of it is for police and fireman ........ Now they need even more money........... It is a sweet gig if you can get it like that

[Twisted Titan]

Oh yes ,was there any mention of the woman who retrieved the body getting charged because she "conaminated " a crime scene ?