War on drugs has failed

[Dogman]

War on drugs has failed, report finds


http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/06/02/drug.commission.report/


(CNN) -- The global war on drugs has failed, a high-level commission comprised of former presidents, public intellectuals and other leaders studying drug policies concluded in a report released Thursday.

International efforts to crack down on drug producers and consumers and to try to reduce demand have had "devastating consequences for individuals and societies around the world," the report from the Global Commission on Drug Policy said.

The commission, which includes former U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, Virgin Group founder Richard Branson and Nobel laureate Mario Vargas Llosa, challenges the conventional wisdom about drug markets and drug use.

Among the group's recommendations:

-- End of criminalization and stigmatization of people who use drugs but do not harm others

-- Encourage governments to experiment with drug legalization, especially marijuana

-- Offer more harm reduction measures, such as access to syringes

-- Ditch "just say no" and "zero tolerance" policies for youth in favor of other educational efforts.

The theory that increasing law enforcement action would lead to a shrinking drug market has not worked, the report says. To the contrary, illegal drug markets and the organized criminal organizations that traffic them have grown, the group found.

The report comes as countries such as Mexico suffer from widespread drug-related violence. More than 40,000 people have been killed in Mexico in the past four years as rival cartels battle each other over lucrative smuggling corridors and as the army fights the cartels.

The commission's findings add more high-profile voices to a growing movement calling for a radical approach to drugs. Other leaders, such as former Mexican President Vicente Fox, have called for drug legalization as part of a solution to his country's woes.

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The legal system will fight this until the bitter end!
There is way too much money they will lose , prisons that will empty and their jobs lost if
there was a more intelligent way to deal with what they see as a problem! :sarc:

[Gaillo]

What? ???
Prohibition failed... again? ::)


Definition of insanity - keep on... well, you all know the rest.

[Dogman]

What? ???
Prohibition failed... again? ::)


Definition of insanity - keep on... well, you all know the rest.


:ROFL: :ROFL:

You know it ain't over until the fat lady sings! ;D

[sirgonzo420]

What? ???
Prohibition failed... again? ::)


Definition of insanity - keep on... well, you all know the rest.


What if prohibition was prohibited?

[Gaillo]

What? ???
Prohibition failed... again? ::)


Definition of insanity - keep on... well, you all know the rest.


What if prohibition was prohibited?


That's like asking if God could microwave a burrito so hot that even he couldn't eat it! ;D

[Serpo]

I am all for the WAR ON DRUGS..............


PHARMACEUTICAL DRUGS THAT IS........ :boom

[Gaillo]

I am all for the WAR ON DRUGS..............


PHARMACEUTICAL DRUGS THAT IS........ :boom


So you want a vast underworld of pharmaceutical pushing gangsters? Oh wait... we already have that. We call them "doctors"! ;D

[Hatha Sunahara]

From the viewpoint of the people who have waged the war on drugs, it has been a smashing (no pun intended) success. They are able to stop people on highways and confiscate their cash. They have asset forfeiture. They have a flourishing prison industrial complex.

The people who wage the war on drugs don't care about our society. They care mostly about themselves, and their careers. The society can go to hell. This report will be ignored. Nothing will change until the whole system crashes.


Hatha

[Serpo]

In answer to your last question..........it shouldnt be long now



Postcards From Greece

[learn2swim]

Of course, they are gonna legalize drugs in the future. How can you have an illegal drug trade in a cashless society?

[midnight rambler]

I am all for the WAR ON DRUGS..............


PHARMACEUTICAL DRUGS THAT IS........ :boom


According to the Communist Nooz Network recently, the #1 drug problem in America is the black market in pharmaceutical drugs. They also noted that pot is no longer considered the 'gateway drug', instead pharmaceuticals are now considered the 'gateway drug' of choice.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

The Year is 1634. The place is early czarist Russia. Czar Alexis has decided that smoking tobacco, as well as using playing cards of any type, are against national order and will be banned. He creates penalties for smoking: 1st offense is whipping, a slit nose, and trasportation to Siberia. 2nd offense is execution.




THAT SHIT DIDN'T WORK WHEN THEY HAD A KING, and it won't work now.


What did I learn from history? I learned that people rarely learn a damn thing from history.

[SLV^GLD]

There's no such thing as a gateway drug.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

I am all for the WAR ON DRUGS..............


PHARMACEUTICAL DRUGS THAT IS........ :boom


According to the Communist Nooz Network recently, the #1 drug problem in America is the black market in pharmaceutical drugs. They also noted that pot is no longer considered the 'gateway drug', instead pharmaceuticals are now considered the 'gateway drug' of choice.


pharmaceuticals are the largest industry in America, bar none. That's right, pharma drugs are bigger business than oil, food, water, or entertainment.

[midnight rambler]

There's no such thing as a gateway drug.


The Commie Nooz Network said it verbatim as I posted it.

[midnight rambler]

I am all for the WAR ON DRUGS..............


PHARMACEUTICAL DRUGS THAT IS........ :boom


According to the Communist Nooz Network recently, the #1 drug problem in America is the black market in pharmaceutical drugs. They also noted that pot is no longer considered the 'gateway drug', instead pharmaceuticals are now considered the 'gateway drug' of choice.


pharmaceuticals are the largest industry in America, bar none. That's right, pharma drugs are bigger business than oil, food, water, or entertainment.


That largely explains why pharmaceuticals are showing up in many ground water sources.

[Serpo]

I am all for the WAR ON DRUGS..............


PHARMACEUTICAL DRUGS THAT IS........ :boom



According to the Communist Nooz Network recently, the #1 drug problem in America is the black market in pharmaceutical drugs. They also noted that pot is no longer considered the 'gateway drug', instead pharmaceuticals are now considered the 'gateway drug' of choice.


pharmaceuticals are the largest industry in America, bar none. That's right, pharma drugs are bigger business than oil, food, water, or entertainment.


That largely explains why pharmaceuticals are showing up in many ground water sources.

Yea they seem to pass right thru to the water table which is terrible.

What happens when they are all mixed together and then this water enters the food chain......already happening I guess.

[Horn]

That's right, pharma drugs are bigger business than oil,

Right, street drugs are like "alternate forms of energy" in the eyes of Big Pharma.

[Serpo]

Big Pharm makes drugs it knows will be popular on the street and is part of there profits.Next target for big pharm.......Medicinal WEED.

[Glass]

The Govt is the major drug runner and as far as I can tell the War of Drugs has been an unmitigated success. Its easy to work out when their next shipment comes in. they advertise it in the news. The last big shipment we had the cops warned us that a whole new shipment was hitting the streets. It was super pure and high quality. They also said they knew who was shipping it and where it was going to but they were unable to do anything about it.

Translated that means: "There's really good shit hitting the streets. Get it from your usual dealers".

[MNeagle]

'Imitation Cocaine' Killed Florida Man, Say Authorities


An autopsy has determined that a Florida man died after ingesting "bath salts," just two days after Gov. Rick Scott signed a state law banning the synthetic drugs, which had been sold legally in stores and on the internet.

A toxicologist with the medical examiner's office of Hillsborough County, Florida said that Jairious McGhee, 23, died from an overdose of methylone, one of the chemicals sold as bath salts and used as a form of imitation cocaine. Julia Pearson said methylone was found in McGhee's blood after tests for other better known drugs were negative.

An ABC News investigation to air on "20/20" Friday found that "legal drugs" like bath salts, "K2" and "spice" that mimic the effects of cocaine and marijuana were widely available on the internet and in suburban malls and convenience stores. Bath salts. which have nothing in common with the products long used in bathing, are legally sold in more than 30 states, and there is no federal ban on them. The Florida law banning six different chemicals sold as bath salts was signed Tuesday, but an emergency rule issued in January by the state's attorney general had already made it a felony to possess or distribute them.

McGhee died in Tampa on April 3 after an April 2 altercation with police. Officers described him as behaving erratically, walking in traffic, and beating on cars. He was initially diagnosed with viral meningitis, and when he died his body temperature had risen to more than 105 degrees. Though McGhee, who had been fighting with officers, had been tased, the medical examiner's office said the prongs never touched his skin and the tasing did not contribute to his death.

Bath salts have been linked to 2,500 calls to poison control centers nationwide, and can produce paranoia, hallucinations and rapid increase in heart rate and body. Washington state authorities are investigating whether a soldier who shot and killed his wife and then himself during a high-speed car chase in April was using bath salts. In May, when 19-year-old Mark Thompson of West Virginia was found wearing women's underwear and standing over a goat's dead body, he told police he had been using bath salts.





"I hesitate to even hold some of this stuff in my hands for fear that it could cause a problem," said Dr. Mark Ryan, director of the Louisiana Poison Control Center. Louisiana has been an epicenter of bath salt abuse, with 221 calls to the state's Poison Control Center since Dr. Ryan saw his first case last September. "We've had some people show up who are complaining of chest pains so severe that they think they're having a heart attack. They think they're dying."

Congress is currently weighing a federal ban on bath salts, which are still sold legally in most states and via the web. "Our teens and young adults need to understand that just because something's legal doesn't mean it's safe," said Drug Enforcement Administration special agent Gary Boggs. "Our parents need to -- to pay attention to what our kids are -- are ordering over the internet."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/bath-salts-killed-florida-man-authorities/story?id=13746152

[Antonio]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHA3LSrbgXE&feature=related

[Bullion_Bob]

summed up at 1 min 58 sec

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIwE9-YkKoQ&feature=player_embedded#at=131

Bath Salts... ::)

[Glass]

We've had a big carry on down here over Kronic and the pineapple one.. name escapes me. Basically synthetic THC but generally called herbal highs. They don't have a test for it and it's not illegal to purchase it. It's being sold mostly out of adult shops. Costs about 50% more than the real deal.

The papers are reporting that they are dealing with people who are halucinating and having other reactions to it. From what I have read about it, it lacks a chemical component that exists in natrual THCs which cause the mellowing effect you get from the natural stuff which apparently comes into play some time after you smoke it. I get the impression you get a high or buzz which then mellows. During the buzz phase some people might get a bit uptight or paranoid but this is eventually balanced out by this other chemical component which brings you back down aka the mellow phase.

With the synthetic stuff there is none of this so you get the buzz and then a crash I guess you would call it. No mellow phase. You are either on or off. As a result people get the paranoids and it doesn't mellow. There is no way out until you crash. Sounds to me just like most of the other synthetic crap that's out there.

I've also heard you can trigger the mellow phase buy eating something. Possibly where the munchies term comes from.

[Mouse]

I live in a very small rural community and I was at Radio Shack (You've got questions, we've got dumb looks)TM getting a fuse for an appliance. A kid was at the counter with what appeared to be a crack pipe openly out on the counter. The lady got him four little packages of spice. Nosy as I am, I was keenly and quietly observing this transaction. So the four packages are on the counter, I would estimate each package contained one gram or less of product. The kid paid 80 FRN's plus tax for this four grams of fake weed.......

Its been a long time but that's like (at least) a half ounce of real nice buds where I grew up.

Kids these days.

[SLV^GLD]

Bath Salts, Bonsai Fertilizer, whatever, it is a labeling mechanism to sell otherwise unscheduled substances and make sure they are clearly not for human consumption. Some of these compounds actually have a long history of unofficial research, are well known and enjoyed. All should be approached with a great deal of research, caution and investigation of the source.

[sirgonzo420]

Bath Salts, Bonsai Fertilizer, whatever, it is a labeling mechanism to sell otherwise unscheduled substances and make sure they are clearly not for human consumption. Some of these compounds actually have a long history of unofficial research, are well known and enjoyed. All should be approached with a great deal of research, caution and investigation of the source.


"2-CB, or not 2-CB"

[SLV^GLD]

2-CB is scheduled, unfortunately, so it cannot even be packaged as bath salts. IINM, it was scheduled with no incidents being reported. It was just too much fun and still is if you know certain chemists.

[mick silver]

this was no way to really win this war . it was away to spent money we did not have . and away to get are foot in a door of another country